UK found guilty of dirty air breach by EU court
04/03/2021 | news | science | 1,192
The UK is found guilty of “systematically and persistently” breaching air pollution limits.
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04/03/2021 15:07:38 67 45
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sounds like more petulance on the part of a bitter EU
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04/03/2021 15:09:13 44 48
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Or you could try reading the article?
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04/03/2021 15:10:21 13 9
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Or the UK ignoring deals and laws to show we've taken back control.
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04/03/2021 15:06:12 236 56
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How about Germany relying on dirty brown coal and Russian gas?
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04/03/2021 15:51:00 171 72
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Doesnt count as they are part of the EU and seem to be above the law.
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04/03/2021 16:11:25 31 22
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France has recently been fined as has Greece. This is not the EU singling out the U.K.
The U.K. still relies on dirty brown coal and in fact is opening a new coal mine in Cumbria.
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04/03/2021 16:13:17 26 7
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Nice childish piece of 'whataboutery' there! Miss! Miss! They did it first!
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04/03/2021 16:49:34 16 14
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We use a lot of Russian gas too. Don't know what dirty brown coal is, but we're opening a new mine soon.
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04/03/2021 17:46:17 11 6
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How much coal and gas do you think there is in Germany?

And you think other countries don't do our dirty work, like China making our steel?

I'd like to live in you head. Must be so nice to blame everyone else for everything and always think you're best
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04/03/2021 19:47:20 2 4
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Why is the ECJ involved?
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04/03/2021 20:34:52 7 2
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How about German car manufacturer VW deliberately falsifying the emission results of its own cars? Pot, Kettle etc etc...
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04/03/2021 20:38:49 3 0
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It's not what you burn but how well you capture emissions.
UK is decades behind the latest technology.
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04/03/2021 22:19:01 6 0
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Dutch government has lost several court cases on same issue. This is not about Brexit or the EU. This is about our health! Governments are acting to slow and the people are not prepared to pay for a cleaner environment...
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04/03/2021 22:37:03 2 2
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Start legal action against them
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You
04/03/2021 22:43:51 3 1
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I had Russian gas once. The wife made me sleep in the spare room.
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04/03/2021 23:47:47 2 0
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This article is about Britain breaking rules, if you want to know what Germany are doing you might find out by reading the German press.
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05/03/2021 07:20:58 2 0
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Germany's pollution doesn't make ours ok. This is a court decision and our government has shown it doesn't care about anything apart from big business and staying in power.
They know measures to curb pollution are unpopular with motorists driving dirty polluting vehicles, but they prefer the status quo to saving lives.
05/03/2021 13:52:23 0 0
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How about two wrongs don't make a right?
How about your constant deflection doesn't anull the legal verdict?
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04/03/2021 15:09:03 178 42
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Oh dear. I hope they don't expel us from the EU.
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04/03/2021 15:23:20 82 149
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More fool us.
Looking forward to more BSE burgers, raw sewage on the beaches and pea soupers.
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04/03/2021 17:26:44 2 1
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Don't worry it will be UK problem.
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05/03/2021 08:38:19 0 0
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Simple confiscate British assets abroad towards securing the payment. ??
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04/03/2021 15:07:38 67 45
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sounds like more petulance on the part of a bitter EU
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04/03/2021 15:09:13 44 48
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Or you could try reading the article?
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04/03/2021 15:13:33 13 17
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I did read it pal, it seems Germany is also breaking the rules, but no sign of the EU commission having a go at them.
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04/03/2021 17:33:15 5 0
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They won't read anything that suggests EU might have a point.
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04/03/2021 19:45:51 0 4
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What, the article written by the pro-EU BBC.
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04/03/2021 15:09:58 46 0
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So if we are meant to cut back on gas heating boilers to cut back on NO2 and also log burners for other environmental reasons - is all we have left to heat our homes electricity?
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04/03/2021 15:49:51 32 4
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Some people prefer the latest TV, holidays, log burners, bbq, XR demonstrations, etc

All of these will result in pollution. Its a balance, I dont get air-freighted food, or tat from asia, but I will happily relax with friends by a fire pit. To me that a balance Im happy with.

remember your lifestyle choices arent my lifestyle choices.
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04/03/2021 16:12:15 5 0
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No, there are air source and ground source heat pumps which work quite well and can be powered by pv panels with battery storage. There is a market in second user vehicle batteries that can be used.
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04/03/2021 17:22:34 4 0
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right now we rely on EU imports of electricity etc to keep our housed NHS and industry going as we don't make enough of that either lol
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05/03/2021 00:35:47 0 0
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How is the electricity generated? People talk about electric cars being non-polluting but what about the generation of the electricity to run them? I don't like them, too easy to step out in front of one because they are too quite.
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05/03/2021 09:24:50 1 0
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I would make more sense, but housing needs to be a lot more energy efficient.

Boilers, log burning etc. only become a problem as numbers rise,

Population growth is the driving force behind damage to the natural environment.
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04/03/2021 15:07:38 67 45
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sounds like more petulance on the part of a bitter EU
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04/03/2021 15:10:21 13 9
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Or the UK ignoring deals and laws to show we've taken back control.
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04/03/2021 15:11:06 91 14
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Sadly, it is not so easy to break our links with EU institutions. Would be good to know that the ECJ will behave even handedly if EU countries also broke the rules of the time. That several companies (based in the EU) were involved in an emissions scandal, further complicates it.
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04/03/2021 15:44:23 46 9
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From the article
"The EU court has continued to oversee the case because proceedings started before Brexit."

Obviously over time cases like this will become rarer and ultimately extinct.

Britain and the European project have been diverging for nearly 30 years (leaving the ERM) and this is going to continue.
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05/03/2021 10:15:47 0 1
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EU break the law and rules all the time, but its ignored. French blockaded ports over lamb, over fish. EU action over vaccines, over expenditure ignoring their own rules. The only thing the EU are interested in is being unelected emperors of Europe hence why they are trying to punish the UK for leaving to persuade other disenchanted members to stay in.
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04/03/2021 15:12:04 13 10
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Well maybe the EU should have thought about this before and spent some of the £10 billion (net) the UK paid them every year to help fix our problem. Not too late ...
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04/03/2021 15:25:39 7 6
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That £10 billion was part of the redistribution to allow free trade and create consumer demand.
We have had plenty of that money ourselves for poorer regions.

We saved £10 billion on administration and civil service, which we will now have to pay ourselves.
Brexit is just another way to pass UK business costs onto the consumer.
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04/03/2021 15:12:12 46 22
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Now we have left the EU we can breathe as much dirty air as we like.
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04/03/2021 15:17:32 23 40
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That Comment shows the Level of Your Intelligence, Zero
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04/03/2021 17:38:45 4 1
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And I'm sure you are doing but it's good British dirty air.
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04/03/2021 21:18:17 2 3
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Perhaps if you were an asthmatic you would feel differently. Or perhaps you would if you were a father whose eldest son was admitted to the resuscitation department of A&E when all the usual treatments for a severe asthma attack had failed and your son's life was only saved by the treatment of last resort - intravenous magnesium sulphite solution.

Cleaning up the environment is important.
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04/03/2021 15:13:14 177 55
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EU floods the UK with cars that omit more noxious gasses than they are legally allowed to and now they want to fine the UK for breaching air pollution limits.

I think not Monsieur.
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04/03/2021 15:15:28 55 45
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Because we buy these cars.
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04/03/2021 15:16:00 24 9
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The EU did not flood the UK with polluting cars. Some car manufacturers were found to be breaking EU laws and then fined heavily. If we go to Indian standards, then there won't be any laws to break.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-safety-standards-workers-rights-jacob-rees-mogg-a7459336.html
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04/03/2021 16:22:43 8 3
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lets do the european thing if we get a fine pass it onto the car companies that caused it
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04/03/2021 17:28:25 6 11
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Once again all the fault of the EU. Surprise, surprise.
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04/03/2021 17:43:55 7 2
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Yes, and VW got fined by the EU for about 30bn euros for this. It's not the EU at fault here, but some 'clever' car manufacturer. VW also was not the only one to use defeat devices.
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RPH
04/03/2021 20:59:36 2 1
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Yu do know that's because we wanted to buy them.? Are you really that ignorant? Sorry, daft question really...
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05/03/2021 11:07:06 0 0
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"EU floods the UK with cars that omit more noxious gasses than they are legally allowed to "

You are saying that these cars do not produce enough of these noxious gasses or did you mean Emit.

Omit - to leave out or leave unmentioned
Emit - to throw or give off or out
05/03/2021 13:55:35 0 0
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May have escaped your attention, VW is not the EU; the EU is not a car maker.
Also, VW didn't just deliver a bunch of cars for free... someone bought them.

But any old nonsense is par for the course, so carry on...
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04/03/2021 15:13:16 9 6
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It's one thing having tougher laws, it is another to enforce them. How are the UK going to enforce the new stringent environmental laws that we're all waiting for?
I'll not hold my breath....or perhaps I should.
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04/03/2021 15:09:13 44 48
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Or you could try reading the article?
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04/03/2021 15:13:33 13 17
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I did read it pal, it seems Germany is also breaking the rules, but no sign of the EU commission having a go at them.
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04/03/2021 15:16:30 12 14
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The EU is run for the benefit of German manufacturing and French farmers.
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04/03/2021 15:20:21 8 9
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We've left the EU, so how the EU deals with Germany is now none of our concern.
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04/03/2021 15:21:18 12 1
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The EU made VW pay millions in fines because of NO2 emissions a few years ago.... and now more because of CO2 emissions.
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04/03/2021 15:23:53 9 0
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What the article actually says is "...indeed the UK was backed by Germany in this case."
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04/03/2021 15:13:48 12 18
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Another 'Leaver' supposed benefit - ability to reduce environmental protection. May kill a few thousand people, but sovereignty, fish, blue passports etc.
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04/03/2021 21:42:16 0 0
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Salt mountain detected.
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04/03/2021 15:13:53 55 20
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Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) is mainly caused by diesel vehicles, we had bad advice off the then Labour Government that diesel was better for the environment than petrol, we now find that it's not true.
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04/03/2021 15:18:06 15 17
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That was well over 10 years ago when diesel was cheap and then the price went up above petrol. Hopefully, this is not news for you today.
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04/03/2021 15:34:16 7 0
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Diesel cars have lower carbon emissions but higher NO2. In rural locations, diesel is probably better. It is only a problem when NO2 accumulates to become a public health hazard.

Don't expect a politician to understand these nuances
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04/03/2021 16:19:05 5 2
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New diesels have improved, they needed to meet the standards, although, various EU manufactures cheated their way through the all standards.
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04/03/2021 17:36:08 1 0
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And who told the labour Govt. Check it out.
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05/03/2021 00:42:15 0 0
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It wasn't just the labour government saying it, it was the wisdom of the day, just as the wise men though that the sun went round the earth.
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05/03/2021 11:21:03 0 0
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Diesel was claimed to be better at combatting climate change by virtue of the much lower co2 emissions of Diesel engines. The government then decided to prioritise the environment over climate change and promoted petrol engines based upon the higher particulate and Nox emissions of Diesel engines.
05/03/2021 13:04:09 0 0
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Labour acted on the information available and were trying to slow global warming. Had we a Labour government when the pollution information was published I expect they would have changed tack.
If our current shambles, I mean Government, wants to step down I'm sure Labour would be happy to take over and sort this out.
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04/03/2021 15:13:14 177 55
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EU floods the UK with cars that omit more noxious gasses than they are legally allowed to and now they want to fine the UK for breaching air pollution limits.

I think not Monsieur.
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04/03/2021 15:15:28 55 45
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Because we buy these cars.
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04/03/2021 16:37:11 5 4
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Yes. We should stop.
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04/03/2021 16:47:41 9 5
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VW were fixing the emissions results if you have forgotten! German company causing all that used their cars to raise emissions more than they were led to believe. Indeed many cars were sold on their "clean" credentials.
UK GOV should sue these companies directly as being responsible for our so called breach!
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04/03/2021 17:28:55 7 0
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You can always buy a Nissan.
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04/03/2021 17:51:21 0 5
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Another EU defender.
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04/03/2021 22:22:03 2 0
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Yes because they are allowed to sell them. It's a bit like flying - everyone knows it's destroying the climate but people still do it - how did we ever survive before air travel.
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04/03/2021 15:13:14 177 55
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EU floods the UK with cars that omit more noxious gasses than they are legally allowed to and now they want to fine the UK for breaching air pollution limits.

I think not Monsieur.
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04/03/2021 15:16:00 24 9
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The EU did not flood the UK with polluting cars. Some car manufacturers were found to be breaking EU laws and then fined heavily. If we go to Indian standards, then there won't be any laws to break.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-safety-standards-workers-rights-jacob-rees-mogg-a7459336.html
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04/03/2021 16:04:15 16 8
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Most French & German car companies lied about the emissions of the cars that Brits were buying because of their claimed low emissions. They still are.
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04/03/2021 16:08:31 5 10
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Logical fallacy. We have not been found guilty by an Indian Court of Justice.
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04/03/2021 15:16:22 127 55
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Goes without saying of course that all the member states have followed EU clean air regulations to the letter

Just a coincidence that we've left. Nothing to do with wanting some money and making a political point
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04/03/2021 15:28:09 62 6
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You will only hear about the UK, not the other states getting fines... didn't take long to find this:

https://www.euractiv.com/section/climate-environment/news/five-countries-face-fines-after-breaking-eu-pollution-laws/
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04/03/2021 15:43:17 6 12
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The EU is desperate for money, now that one of their major cash cows has left. Voters in Germany and Holland won't keep bailing out the ailing south forever.
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05/03/2021 00:14:39 3 0
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And how do you know that no other country is in trouble over clean air, do you read all the European papers?
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05/03/2021 06:44:49 5 0
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No. Some EU countries also failed and are facing fines. Read around a little, best to be informed.
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04/03/2021 15:13:33 13 17
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I did read it pal, it seems Germany is also breaking the rules, but no sign of the EU commission having a go at them.
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04/03/2021 15:16:30 12 14
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The EU is run for the benefit of German manufacturing and French farmers.
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04/03/2021 15:12:12 46 22
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Now we have left the EU we can breathe as much dirty air as we like.
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04/03/2021 15:17:32 23 40
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That Comment shows the Level of Your Intelligence, Zero
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04/03/2021 16:09:30 8 0
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Why do you capitalise words seemingly at random?
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04/03/2021 17:39:11 2 1
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Wasting your time.
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05/03/2021 10:04:03 2 0
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His name is not Zero.
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04/03/2021 15:13:53 55 20
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Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) is mainly caused by diesel vehicles, we had bad advice off the then Labour Government that diesel was better for the environment than petrol, we now find that it's not true.
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04/03/2021 15:18:06 15 17
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That was well over 10 years ago when diesel was cheap and then the price went up above petrol. Hopefully, this is not news for you today.
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04/03/2021 15:43:09 2 1
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The economic of diesel is still better than petrol, espically if you do long distance.

You seem to have forgotten that the air is never free from pollution including from natural sources.
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04/03/2021 16:20:22 4 4
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I'm sorry diesel was cheaper when? The last time diesel was cheaper than petrol was 2001 and then only as a supermarket loss leader which didn't last long.
The then Labour government had told us to buy diesel because it's a more efficient fuel on paper. They didn't mention inconvenient down sides like NO2, its almost as if they didn't want us to know. Can't think why not.
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04/03/2021 15:13:33 13 17
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I did read it pal, it seems Germany is also breaking the rules, but no sign of the EU commission having a go at them.
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04/03/2021 15:20:21 8 9
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We've left the EU, so how the EU deals with Germany is now none of our concern.
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04/03/2021 15:53:55 2 3
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Actually it is are concern for the simple aspect that the Laws are suppose to be applied fairly without fear or favour. Same as the EU want to see that we treat them fairly, it goes both ways.

You would be the 1st to complain if the police fined you and only you!
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04/03/2021 16:07:54 1 7
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Exactly, as we have now left the EU, our air is none of their concern, so they can take a hike as far as fining us goes.
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04/03/2021 15:13:33 13 17
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I did read it pal, it seems Germany is also breaking the rules, but no sign of the EU commission having a go at them.
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04/03/2021 15:21:18 12 1
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The EU made VW pay millions in fines because of NO2 emissions a few years ago.... and now more because of CO2 emissions.
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04/03/2021 15:21:35 15 17
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Why don't we just tell the ECJ to b***er off. We've left their poisonous club.
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04/03/2021 15:47:25 7 1
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Isn't it the air quality that is the poisonous bit?
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04/03/2021 15:21:37 78 18
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Just send the bill to VW/Audi
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RPH
04/03/2021 21:01:58 16 12
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And they out course will completely ignore it; which is usually the best thing to do with a petulant child...
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04/03/2021 15:22:10 6 6
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I dread to think where on the scale the UK would be if there were limits on pot-holes. As they are a serious safety issue for cyclists, I am surprised the EU did not legislate on them. Maybe only the UK neglects its roads.
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04/03/2021 16:08:08 2 0
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Having spent time in major European cities I can confirm the quality of UK roads is abysmal by comparison.
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04/03/2021 15:09:03 178 42
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Oh dear. I hope they don't expel us from the EU.
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04/03/2021 15:23:20 82 149
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More fool us.
Looking forward to more BSE burgers, raw sewage on the beaches and pea soupers.
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04/03/2021 15:34:40 27 19
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Why? Are you holidaying in the EU this year?
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04/03/2021 15:52:23 14 9
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where are you moving to?
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04/03/2021 16:10:06 15 9
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Now the BSE scare is over we have imported Salmonella infected chicken from the EU via Poland, so much for superior EU animal husbandry.
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04/03/2021 16:13:21 15 12
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The grass is always greener isn't it? Try living in the EU and you will change your mind!
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04/03/2021 17:09:00 4 3
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Yeah, less foot and mouth though. The last lot came from Europe, I believe.
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04/03/2021 17:46:33 3 6
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Many of the EU supporting comments are clearly "crap".
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05/03/2021 00:01:07 1 1
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Horse burgers anyone ?
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04/03/2021 15:13:33 13 17
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I did read it pal, it seems Germany is also breaking the rules, but no sign of the EU commission having a go at them.
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04/03/2021 15:23:53 9 0
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What the article actually says is "...indeed the UK was backed by Germany in this case."
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04/03/2021 15:33:17 9 9
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Well spotted that man.

Could we no infer, as I did, that Germany backed the UK because Germany too is breaking the rules? They are certainly still commissioning new coal fired power stations.

The original point I was making is that the EU commission seems to be picking on the UK, rather than sorting out all the EU countries that have pollution problems. Now why could that be?
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04/03/2021 15:12:04 13 10
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Well maybe the EU should have thought about this before and spent some of the £10 billion (net) the UK paid them every year to help fix our problem. Not too late ...
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04/03/2021 15:25:39 7 6
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That £10 billion was part of the redistribution to allow free trade and create consumer demand.
We have had plenty of that money ourselves for poorer regions.

We saved £10 billion on administration and civil service, which we will now have to pay ourselves.
Brexit is just another way to pass UK business costs onto the consumer.
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04/03/2021 15:26:23 6 0
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If any fine is paid, where does the money go to?
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04/03/2021 15:31:57 5 4
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VW ...
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04/03/2021 15:33:54 2 7
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TO inefficient French farmers!
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04/03/2021 15:36:54 5 2
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The EU.
So far Google has paid more in fines than it has paid in taxes over the entire bloc.
Oddly Google is not a member but still pays the fines.
Like we will.
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04/03/2021 15:22:52 54 17
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Coming rich from them, considering it's their diesel engines polluting not just the UK, but the entire globe.

Do they expect us to forget the disgusting behaviour of German car manufacturers, using computer software management tagged to their diesel engines, to deliberately fool emission tests.

That fact is beyond doubt, because they were found guilty of that, and fined £billions of pounds.
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04/03/2021 15:30:42 33 25
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exactly, they have been fined for breaking the law... and so will we be, and the other 4 countries that broke the law too. They are not "picking on us".
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04/03/2021 15:38:39 2 6
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Yes other car manufacturers were guilty, however much of it was coming from eu based companies, that's why I said this complaint is a bit rich, coming from them

NB these emission cheats were doctoring diesel engines, curtesy of the German who engineered the diesel engine, Rudolf Diesel

Not to mention a huge shift from petrol > diesel powered cars, on the premise that these were more economical
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04/03/2021 17:34:07 2 1
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Simple remedy. Buy a Nissan.
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05/03/2021 00:45:04 2 0
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And I suppose that our diesel engines don't pollute the entire world!
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04/03/2021 15:25:49 8 3
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From German cars?
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04/03/2021 15:49:27 2 0
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Yes, but we imported them.
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04/03/2021 15:16:22 127 55
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Goes without saying of course that all the member states have followed EU clean air regulations to the letter

Just a coincidence that we've left. Nothing to do with wanting some money and making a political point
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04/03/2021 15:28:09 62 6
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You will only hear about the UK, not the other states getting fines... didn't take long to find this:

https://www.euractiv.com/section/climate-environment/news/five-countries-face-fines-after-breaking-eu-pollution-laws/
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04/03/2021 16:10:00 4 11
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2017? Got anything current?
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04/03/2021 18:59:21 2 0
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Thanks for the perspective.
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05/03/2021 00:15:50 4 0
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Well found, people love to stir up hatred without any proof they are right.
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04/03/2021 15:29:13 1 1
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Hard lines?
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04/03/2021 15:30:40 64 10
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Forget the pro or anti EU stuff - we need to clean up our act.

I remember the case of this 9-year old dying (absolutely heartbreaking) and how hard her mother had to fight to prove it was due in part to poor air quality where she lived in South London. This shouldn't be happening in these times.

Anyone remember London Smog?
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04/03/2021 15:39:37 40 14
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The point is, who will be making us "clean up our act" now?
With the current state of alternative facts we'll be told the opposite of what is happening right in front of us.
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04/03/2021 15:40:35 4 7
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I moved my family in a matter of months when pollution increase due to a new bus route. At the time it was a huge financial strain, but my family health comes first.

Yet the mother of that case did nothing. Why didnt she move when she realised years before?

ps. London Smog is rare compared to the past. Nothing is or ever will be perfect.
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04/03/2021 16:01:04 3 4
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That what the government is starting to do, one of the first countries in europe to totally ban ICE cars and coal fired power stations. Only way for Gov to implement this act would be to ban all the PLEBS (us) from driving cars.
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04/03/2021 16:14:44 1 1
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Smog, yes we have improved things and it will take to get over the industrial age, etc, etc.

I appreciate, absolutely heartbreaking but please remind me, if poor air quality was only a part of the issue, what was the other part and what has been done about that element?
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04/03/2021 17:02:48 2 2
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That what you get living in s house right of th edge of a main road

Perhaps we should knock a lot of houses and flat blocks and move the people out of the city and replace the houses with small parks and tress that reduce the spread of pollution
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05/03/2021 10:19:12 0 0
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The problem in emissions is it does not tell the complete story. Obviously if you have two countries with similar populations, if one has a density of population multiples of the other, the emissions will be higher. That's why Germany and France can fiddle the figures on everything from emissions to immigration, where figures should be based on density of population.
30
04/03/2021 15:22:52 54 17
bbc
Coming rich from them, considering it's their diesel engines polluting not just the UK, but the entire globe.

Do they expect us to forget the disgusting behaviour of German car manufacturers, using computer software management tagged to their diesel engines, to deliberately fool emission tests.

That fact is beyond doubt, because they were found guilty of that, and fined £billions of pounds.
35
04/03/2021 15:30:42 33 25
bbc
exactly, they have been fined for breaking the law... and so will we be, and the other 4 countries that broke the law too. They are not "picking on us".
325
04/03/2021 17:35:24 7 0
bbc
That's right but facts don't matter, just anti EU rhetoric.
36
04/03/2021 15:31:16 190 36
bbc
I would like to apologise for driving my German Skoda with falsified emission results on UK roads ... I hope the EU Court will forgive my actions but also could they forward the compensation payment from VW to me as I was mis sold and lied to by an EU company.

Yours in anticipation but to much expectation of seeing one penny

An ex EU citizen
161
04/03/2021 16:15:52 41 18
bbc
Most of the PM2.5 air pollution in London and other cities is caused by wood burning. See this article in the BMJ https://www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h2757/rr-1
183
04/03/2021 16:21:42 15 7
bbc
You aren't due any compensation as you haven't lost anything. VW cheat test lied about NOx emissions for the US market, cars in the UK are not sold on NOx emissions (indeed, they're not even mentioned in UK sales). You bought a diesel Skoda for MPG and low CO2 emissions for low VED. You were not miss-sold as you didn't buy the car for the affected emissions as cars aren't sold for that in the UK
518
04/03/2021 20:11:42 5 1
bbc
Seeing as you say you are EX EU, if you bought British in the first place, you wouldn't be moaning ! - so what are you Remainer turncoat, who bought Skoda, or Bexiteer traitor who bought European car?
686
05/03/2021 00:05:53 3 0
bbc
I suggest you sue Skoda, that is the normal procedure when sold a pig in a poke. It is the company that was dishonest, not the EU. Do you blame the British government every time you are sold faulty goods.
Unless you are driving around in an Austin Metro you just trolling.
05/03/2021 14:11:58 0 0
bbc
Skoda cars ain't made in Germany.
37
04/03/2021 15:31:42 98 29
bbc
Since French companies operate many of our power stations and German car manufacturers lied about their NO2 emissions and deliberately circumvented the UK's emission test, perhaps UK should enter a counter claim against the EU.
Or perhaps we should do something crazy like stop paying millions of pounds to the lawyers and Euro fat cats and invest the money in an actual solution. Just a thought...
60
04/03/2021 15:41:45 63 96
bbc
Or perhaps you could grow up and realise that EU doesn’t always mean ‘bad’ and UK doesn’t always mean ‘fantastic’. Time to move on from the binary and simplistic views of our world beating brexiters.
61
04/03/2021 15:42:50 13 1
bbc
It would be a counter claim against the car companies, not the EU. The companies have already been found to have broken EU law and paid millions in fines already.
281
04/03/2021 17:12:26 4 3
bbc
Well I was hoping to spark a debate about a better way of dealing with the issue of pollution than letting nations sue each other for financial gain.
The point was that all developed nations live in glass houses when it comes to their record on the environment.
I see however that it's descended into the usual Brexit nonsense.
It's over people, 2016 called, it want's its argument back, move on!
466
04/03/2021 19:09:02 0 1
bbc
ClientEarth should pay any U.K. government legal costs and not hard pressed U.K. taxpayers. Thanks ClientEarth for wasting our money.
695
05/03/2021 00:31:26 3 0
bbc
What has this to do with Britain getting into trouble for breaching regulations, Britain's offence is not the only offence they have dealt with.
29
04/03/2021 15:26:23 6 0
bbc
If any fine is paid, where does the money go to?
38
04/03/2021 15:31:57 5 4
bbc
VW ...
39
dfh
04/03/2021 15:33:02 11 6
bbc
I would like to see the results from the French monitor samples, mainly the Paris Ring road, and also the Germany comparison to the relevant UK regions, Who fines them?
67
04/03/2021 15:44:53 4 0
bbc
ECJ.
338
04/03/2021 17:39:56 3 0
bbc
EU. Check your facts.
27
04/03/2021 15:23:53 9 0
bbc
What the article actually says is "...indeed the UK was backed by Germany in this case."
40
04/03/2021 15:33:17 9 9
bbc
Well spotted that man.

Could we no infer, as I did, that Germany backed the UK because Germany too is breaking the rules? They are certainly still commissioning new coal fired power stations.

The original point I was making is that the EU commission seems to be picking on the UK, rather than sorting out all the EU countries that have pollution problems. Now why could that be?
148
04/03/2021 16:13:18 5 1
bbc
When was the case initiated?
14
04/03/2021 15:13:53 55 20
bbc
Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) is mainly caused by diesel vehicles, we had bad advice off the then Labour Government that diesel was better for the environment than petrol, we now find that it's not true.
41
04/03/2021 15:34:16 7 0
bbc
Diesel cars have lower carbon emissions but higher NO2. In rural locations, diesel is probably better. It is only a problem when NO2 accumulates to become a public health hazard.

Don't expect a politician to understand these nuances
31
04/03/2021 15:25:49 8 3
bbc
From German cars?
43
04/03/2021 15:35:59 35 18
bbc
The ECJ has come to a ruling quite legally but now has no rights to impose fines, or force UK to pay any fines imposed, as the UK has left the EU. A point of principle but nothing else.
65
04/03/2021 15:44:36 20 22
bbc
Johnson probably signed something that says otherwise.
100
04/03/2021 15:58:36 7 1
bbc
The fines are for previous actions while we were part of the EU. So as long as all parties are treated the same then we need to pay the fines up to the point where we left.

But for future, if any, breaches no their jurisdiction is no longer applicable.
181
04/03/2021 16:21:16 9 1
bbc
Reading the foreign press, the EU reckon they can fine us for the period of the investigation when we were in their club
29
04/03/2021 15:26:23 6 0
bbc
If any fine is paid, where does the money go to?
44
04/03/2021 15:33:54 2 7
bbc
TO inefficient French farmers!
26
04/03/2021 15:23:20 82 149
bbc
More fool us.
Looking forward to more BSE burgers, raw sewage on the beaches and pea soupers.
45
04/03/2021 15:34:40 27 19
bbc
Why? Are you holidaying in the EU this year?
66
04/03/2021 15:44:53 14 23
bbc
I wish... don't be obtuse.
145
04/03/2021 16:13:12 11 16
bbc
I will be. Better weather, food and more welcoming people without having to witness British people punching the lights out of one another in the streets of Brighton, Newquay etc.
46
rr6
04/03/2021 15:36:13 186 26
bbc
The UK's air should be a bit cleaner now that fewer lorries are crossing the UK just to transport goods between Ireland and France. These lorries often don't purchase fuel in the UK and use our roads for free.
58
DG
04/03/2021 15:41:28 185 40
bbc
To add to this, if the mainland EU car makers had not falsified their emission data then we would have passed with flying colours.
69
04/03/2021 15:46:06 26 3
bbc
Agreed the fact that these lorries are not coming into Wales and driving across UK to Channel Tunnel at Ashford or Ferry at Dover is a major bonus. Less busy on motorways and of course less pollution.
172
04/03/2021 16:18:44 14 2
bbc
202
04/03/2021 16:33:27 11 22
bbc
Proof they don’t buy fuel in the U.K.? Or is this yet more Brexiteer lies?
223
04/03/2021 16:41:46 15 8
bbc
One of the best plusses to come out of Brexit! And living in Kent it’s a great relief.
339
04/03/2021 17:40:35 12 6
bbc
We also use the roads in the EU for free.
436
04/03/2021 18:44:11 5 9
bbc
Agreed and bringing lorry loads of dead migrants on the return
457
04/03/2021 18:58:39 0 7
bbc
Yeah , should apply road charging to the foreign plate HGVs ..... get a bit of dosh out of them to pay for the degradation they cause to our highways and by-ways .
684
05/03/2021 00:02:28 2 0
bbc
They use our motorway service stations, they might well fill up, last time I looked diesel was cheaper in Britain than it is in France., although that was some time ago. The French are more concerned about the environment. They also kept our ports open, well they did until brexit.
47
04/03/2021 15:36:20 6 11
bbc
Roger Harrorbin using emotional blackmail to get his eco-zealotry across.

Yes, we want clean air, but until the technology is affordable by everyone then it aint going to happen.

RH raises yet again the sad death of the 9-year old. It was also the responsibility of the parents, not just the government. I did wonder if the coroner was being PC
50
04/03/2021 15:38:40 3 3
bbc
Funny how judges never agree with you.
Too PC obviously.
And LC, legally correct, but don't let that stop your rant.
29
04/03/2021 15:26:23 6 0
bbc
If any fine is paid, where does the money go to?
48
04/03/2021 15:36:54 5 2
bbc
The EU.
So far Google has paid more in fines than it has paid in taxes over the entire bloc.
Oddly Google is not a member but still pays the fines.
Like we will.
49
04/03/2021 15:38:23 8 7
bbc
I would love to trust our own government to be concerned with my health. But I don't.
82
04/03/2021 15:48:31 4 3
bbc
Nothing to do with the cheating suppliers of vehicles designed to cheat the systems....all European manufacturers.
47
04/03/2021 15:36:20 6 11
bbc
Roger Harrorbin using emotional blackmail to get his eco-zealotry across.

Yes, we want clean air, but until the technology is affordable by everyone then it aint going to happen.

RH raises yet again the sad death of the 9-year old. It was also the responsibility of the parents, not just the government. I did wonder if the coroner was being PC
50
04/03/2021 15:38:40 3 3
bbc
Funny how judges never agree with you.
Too PC obviously.
And LC, legally correct, but don't let that stop your rant.
192
04/03/2021 16:25:03 0 2
bbc
So the parents didnt have any responsibility. btw when havent the judges not agreed with me?

And there is a principal amongst the "woke" that all previous events have to be judge by todays standards & values. So I look forward when XR being tried against a future standard of which is **good** environmentalism as they & yourself will be found guilty of ignoring facts.
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DG
04/03/2021 15:38:56 14 14
bbc
The ECJ should shut up, we are now FREE of their dictatorship.
57
04/03/2021 15:41:28 5 2
bbc
Like Google?

We are paying for when we were a member and actually created theses laws.
62
04/03/2021 15:43:03 3 0
bbc
Doesn't sound like it. Were you told otherwise and believed it?
89
04/03/2021 15:53:08 6 1
bbc
Still moaning? Funny how brexiters are unhappy about everything.
365
04/03/2021 17:51:24 2 0
bbc
Doesn't matter about the dirty air then.
52
04/03/2021 15:37:58 6 18
bbc
"The UK has been ordered to pay costs to the European Commission; the amount could run to millions of pounds."

If we had have remained in the EU, we would have been exempt from the fine.

See, i told you we should have remained.
77
04/03/2021 15:43:52 4 6
bbc
EU Manufacturers fixing there cars to beat the EU Smog test , EU Court has NO POWER NOW IN THE UK.un-elected power....
30
04/03/2021 15:22:52 54 17
bbc
Coming rich from them, considering it's their diesel engines polluting not just the UK, but the entire globe.

Do they expect us to forget the disgusting behaviour of German car manufacturers, using computer software management tagged to their diesel engines, to deliberately fool emission tests.

That fact is beyond doubt, because they were found guilty of that, and fined £billions of pounds.
53
04/03/2021 15:38:39 2 6
bbc
Yes other car manufacturers were guilty, however much of it was coming from eu based companies, that's why I said this complaint is a bit rich, coming from them

NB these emission cheats were doctoring diesel engines, curtesy of the German who engineered the diesel engine, Rudolf Diesel

Not to mention a huge shift from petrol > diesel powered cars, on the premise that these were more economical
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ADB
04/03/2021 19:08:58 3 0
bbc
So why are people still buying German cars from these manufacturers?
Why not buy a nice clean car made in Britain by a British owned company - or does such a vehicle not exist?
709
05/03/2021 00:50:33 0 0
bbc
They were more economical, until they found out that diesel was more polluting and governments put more tax on it.
34
04/03/2021 15:30:40 64 10
bbc
Forget the pro or anti EU stuff - we need to clean up our act.

I remember the case of this 9-year old dying (absolutely heartbreaking) and how hard her mother had to fight to prove it was due in part to poor air quality where she lived in South London. This shouldn't be happening in these times.

Anyone remember London Smog?
54
04/03/2021 15:39:37 40 14
bbc
The point is, who will be making us "clean up our act" now?
With the current state of alternative facts we'll be told the opposite of what is happening right in front of us.
178
04/03/2021 16:20:08 8 0
bbc
The EU clean air framework has been adopted into UK law. Until such time as either we or they change those standards we are legally obliged to comply with them as they stand.
702
05/03/2021 00:39:01 0 0
bbc
Alternative facts is a polite way of putting it.
34
04/03/2021 15:30:40 64 10
bbc
Forget the pro or anti EU stuff - we need to clean up our act.

I remember the case of this 9-year old dying (absolutely heartbreaking) and how hard her mother had to fight to prove it was due in part to poor air quality where she lived in South London. This shouldn't be happening in these times.

Anyone remember London Smog?
55
04/03/2021 15:40:35 4 7
bbc
I moved my family in a matter of months when pollution increase due to a new bus route. At the time it was a huge financial strain, but my family health comes first.

Yet the mother of that case did nothing. Why didnt she move when she realised years before?

ps. London Smog is rare compared to the past. Nothing is or ever will be perfect.
56
04/03/2021 15:41:23 10 11
bbc
Has nobody told the ECJ. We have left. You are not the boss of us. Do one...
70
04/03/2021 15:46:09 2 3
bbc
If you look into the French peasants who supported Napoleon in the French revolution you'll see your reflection.
75
04/03/2021 15:48:13 3 1
bbc
We are not part of the EU but your brexiters friends keeps
whinging about it constantly and are still obsessed with it. Has anybody told them we have left?
51
DG
04/03/2021 15:38:56 14 14
bbc
The ECJ should shut up, we are now FREE of their dictatorship.
57
04/03/2021 15:41:28 5 2
bbc
Like Google?

We are paying for when we were a member and actually created theses laws.
46
rr6
04/03/2021 15:36:13 186 26
bbc
The UK's air should be a bit cleaner now that fewer lorries are crossing the UK just to transport goods between Ireland and France. These lorries often don't purchase fuel in the UK and use our roads for free.
58
DG
04/03/2021 15:41:28 185 40
bbc
To add to this, if the mainland EU car makers had not falsified their emission data then we would have passed with flying colours.
553
04/03/2021 20:43:59 6 0
bbc
Grasp at any straw for an excuse.
How many 2 litre VW diesels are there in UK?
Have you any idea how small a factor that is in the overall picture?
685
05/03/2021 00:03:21 1 0
bbc
Would we? be nice to see the figures.
792
05/03/2021 08:48:09 1 4
bbc
EU Political elite will travel in their steel cars on roads made with vehicles burning fossil fuels, Climb into their steel "Gravy" train running on steel wheels and go from Brussels to Strasburg, monthly. Feed at the troughs and then go back. This un-necessary EU event must have added greatly to bad air quality over the years. However it greatly benefits France, so it won't end any time soon!
39
dfh
04/03/2021 15:33:02 11 6
bbc
I would like to see the results from the French monitor samples, mainly the Paris Ring road, and also the Germany comparison to the relevant UK regions, Who fines them?
37
04/03/2021 15:31:42 98 29
bbc
Since French companies operate many of our power stations and German car manufacturers lied about their NO2 emissions and deliberately circumvented the UK's emission test, perhaps UK should enter a counter claim against the EU.
Or perhaps we should do something crazy like stop paying millions of pounds to the lawyers and Euro fat cats and invest the money in an actual solution. Just a thought...
60
04/03/2021 15:41:45 63 96
bbc
Or perhaps you could grow up and realise that EU doesn’t always mean ‘bad’ and UK doesn’t always mean ‘fantastic’. Time to move on from the binary and simplistic views of our world beating brexiters.
117
04/03/2021 16:04:18 12 13
bbc
Well perhaps you could also grow UP and realise UK isn't always bad and EU isn't alway good.
312
04/03/2021 17:30:24 8 5
bbc
Brexiteers never will. They have to try and justify the lies.
565
04/03/2021 20:54:34 3 4
bbc
I’m afraid it does sunshine . Consider how the EU screwed Greece, flouts state subsidy laws , screws up covid vaccination plans , does nothing about VW and Mercedes pollution scandals and you start to get the picture .
587
04/03/2021 21:25:05 1 5
bbc
O look bristol.
Another student brainwashed !!!!!
786
05/03/2021 08:41:46 1 2
bbc
Thank you. A sensible comment at last
05/03/2021 16:27:01 0 0
bbc
Being told to grow up by a bitter remainer who no doubt has spent the last few years throwing temper tantrums at being part of the minority and not getting their own way as they cry no fair.....do you not see the irony in that?
37
04/03/2021 15:31:42 98 29
bbc
Since French companies operate many of our power stations and German car manufacturers lied about their NO2 emissions and deliberately circumvented the UK's emission test, perhaps UK should enter a counter claim against the EU.
Or perhaps we should do something crazy like stop paying millions of pounds to the lawyers and Euro fat cats and invest the money in an actual solution. Just a thought...
61
04/03/2021 15:42:50 13 1
bbc
It would be a counter claim against the car companies, not the EU. The companies have already been found to have broken EU law and paid millions in fines already.
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DG
04/03/2021 15:38:56 14 14
bbc
The ECJ should shut up, we are now FREE of their dictatorship.
62
04/03/2021 15:43:03 3 0
bbc
Doesn't sound like it. Were you told otherwise and believed it?
20
04/03/2021 15:18:06 15 17
bbc
That was well over 10 years ago when diesel was cheap and then the price went up above petrol. Hopefully, this is not news for you today.
63
04/03/2021 15:43:09 2 1
bbc
The economic of diesel is still better than petrol, espically if you do long distance.

You seem to have forgotten that the air is never free from pollution including from natural sources.
7
04/03/2021 15:11:06 91 14
bbc
Sadly, it is not so easy to break our links with EU institutions. Would be good to know that the ECJ will behave even handedly if EU countries also broke the rules of the time. That several companies (based in the EU) were involved in an emissions scandal, further complicates it.
64
04/03/2021 15:44:23 46 9
bbc
From the article
"The EU court has continued to oversee the case because proceedings started before Brexit."

Obviously over time cases like this will become rarer and ultimately extinct.

Britain and the European project have been diverging for nearly 30 years (leaving the ERM) and this is going to continue.
173
04/03/2021 16:18:23 5 11
bbc
We should never have joined! And we should have had votes on the treaties instead of having them forced on us as the EEC morphed into something we didn't want.
687
05/03/2021 00:12:38 2 0
bbc
Shame, while in the EU we had better protection from our own government than we will have now.
785
05/03/2021 08:41:41 2 0
bbc
At least ECJ pursuing the case. What are UK courts doing. I suspect many bought these cars because they were better than British manufactured brands . The incremental costs of VED on purchase price for someone who changes their car every three years is not significant (and to private lease).
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MT
05/03/2021 10:16:40 0 1
bbc
Just tell them we do not recognise their jurisdiction. The EU seem to be of the opinion they DICTATE to the world what laws apply to everyone else, whilst ignoring the ones they don't like
43
04/03/2021 15:35:59 35 18
bbc
The ECJ has come to a ruling quite legally but now has no rights to impose fines, or force UK to pay any fines imposed, as the UK has left the EU. A point of principle but nothing else.
65
04/03/2021 15:44:36 20 22
bbc
Johnson probably signed something that says otherwise.
45
04/03/2021 15:34:40 27 19
bbc
Why? Are you holidaying in the EU this year?
66
04/03/2021 15:44:53 14 23
bbc
I wish... don't be obtuse.
124
04/03/2021 16:06:37 6 7
bbc
Hello pot, have you met kettle...?
39
dfh
04/03/2021 15:33:02 11 6
bbc
I would like to see the results from the French monitor samples, mainly the Paris Ring road, and also the Germany comparison to the relevant UK regions, Who fines them?
67
04/03/2021 15:44:53 4 0
bbc
ECJ.
68
04/03/2021 15:45:52 7 6
bbc
Instead of having another go at the EU, it might be time to look at our public transports which are dire and expensive. We have the most expensive and worst trains of the rich countries. That would be a good place to start. Whinging about the EU court of justice or anybody else is not going to improve the situation. Let’s stop believing we are world beaters at things we are rubbish at.
46
rr6
04/03/2021 15:36:13 186 26
bbc
The UK's air should be a bit cleaner now that fewer lorries are crossing the UK just to transport goods between Ireland and France. These lorries often don't purchase fuel in the UK and use our roads for free.
69
04/03/2021 15:46:06 26 3
bbc
Agreed the fact that these lorries are not coming into Wales and driving across UK to Channel Tunnel at Ashford or Ferry at Dover is a major bonus. Less busy on motorways and of course less pollution.
56
04/03/2021 15:41:23 10 11
bbc
Has nobody told the ECJ. We have left. You are not the boss of us. Do one...
70
04/03/2021 15:46:09 2 3
bbc
If you look into the French peasants who supported Napoleon in the French revolution you'll see your reflection.
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Bob
04/03/2021 15:47:01 29 15
bbc
"Following today’s ruling, if the UK still fails to comply within a “reasonable” period, the European Commission could issue formal notice requiring the UK to remedy the situation."

I get taking us to the cleaners for sitting idle during the time we were part of the EU, but in what world are they living if they think they can continue on now?
114
04/03/2021 16:02:52 20 15
bbc
The post Brexit period. You'll find out what detail Johnson missed this time.
23
04/03/2021 15:21:35 15 17
bbc
Why don't we just tell the ECJ to b***er off. We've left their poisonous club.
72
04/03/2021 15:47:25 7 1
bbc
Isn't it the air quality that is the poisonous bit?
187
04/03/2021 16:22:54 0 2
bbc
If it is then the UK courts will prevail. Not Johnny Foreigners kangaroo tribunal.
Removed
74
04/03/2021 15:47:51 68 8
bbc
Where did the cars come from that fiddled the emission tests???
593
04/03/2021 21:31:35 3 1
bbc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItz5ZO2b9Y
What happened to the Great British Motor Industry?
696
05/03/2021 00:32:11 0 0
bbc
How did they fiddle the emission tests in Britain?
56
04/03/2021 15:41:23 10 11
bbc
Has nobody told the ECJ. We have left. You are not the boss of us. Do one...
75
04/03/2021 15:48:13 3 1
bbc
We are not part of the EU but your brexiters friends keeps
whinging about it constantly and are still obsessed with it. Has anybody told them we have left?
17
04/03/2021 15:16:22 127 55
bbc
Goes without saying of course that all the member states have followed EU clean air regulations to the letter

Just a coincidence that we've left. Nothing to do with wanting some money and making a political point
76
04/03/2021 15:43:17 6 12
bbc
The EU is desperate for money, now that one of their major cash cows has left. Voters in Germany and Holland won't keep bailing out the ailing south forever.
52
04/03/2021 15:37:58 6 18
bbc
"The UK has been ordered to pay costs to the European Commission; the amount could run to millions of pounds."

If we had have remained in the EU, we would have been exempt from the fine.

See, i told you we should have remained.
77
04/03/2021 15:43:52 4 6
bbc
EU Manufacturers fixing there cars to beat the EU Smog test , EU Court has NO POWER NOW IN THE UK.un-elected power....
84
04/03/2021 15:51:30 5 0
bbc
Typical brexiter who can’t tell ‘there’ and ‘their’ apart. That’s how you recognise them. Forget the smog test. Try the SATs test.
95
sw
04/03/2021 15:54:52 1 0
bbc
Please learn to spell. "Their cars." Correct. "There cars. " Not correct.
78
ken
04/03/2021 15:49:17 11 8
bbc
Still trying to screw the UK for money
31
04/03/2021 15:25:49 8 3
bbc
From German cars?
79
04/03/2021 15:49:27 2 0
bbc
Yes, but we imported them.
5
04/03/2021 15:09:58 46 0
bbc
So if we are meant to cut back on gas heating boilers to cut back on NO2 and also log burners for other environmental reasons - is all we have left to heat our homes electricity?
80
04/03/2021 15:49:51 32 4
bbc
Some people prefer the latest TV, holidays, log burners, bbq, XR demonstrations, etc

All of these will result in pollution. Its a balance, I dont get air-freighted food, or tat from asia, but I will happily relax with friends by a fire pit. To me that a balance Im happy with.

remember your lifestyle choices arent my lifestyle choices.
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05/03/2021 00:37:00 0 0
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As long as your lifestyle choices don't damage the environment for my grandchildren's grandchildren.
81
04/03/2021 15:46:44 7 6
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Euro Manufacturers cheating the EU Testing, cheat the emissions test, so all the Guilty parties which are GERMAN/FRENCH manufacturers are banned for selling cars DESIGNED TO CHEAT. EU JOGG ON got any spare vaccine
49
04/03/2021 15:38:23 8 7
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I would love to trust our own government to be concerned with my health. But I don't.
82
04/03/2021 15:48:31 4 3
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Nothing to do with the cheating suppliers of vehicles designed to cheat the systems....all European manufacturers.
2
04/03/2021 15:06:12 236 56
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How about Germany relying on dirty brown coal and Russian gas?
83
04/03/2021 15:51:00 171 72
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Doesnt count as they are part of the EU and seem to be above the law.
150
04/03/2021 16:13:33 13 16
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Now that we've left and the prevailing wind is westerly, perhaps we should build some coal plants just to spite them, Le Petomane ?
680
04/03/2021 23:54:37 3 0
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You are allowing your prejudices to cloud your judgement.
77
04/03/2021 15:43:52 4 6
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EU Manufacturers fixing there cars to beat the EU Smog test , EU Court has NO POWER NOW IN THE UK.un-elected power....
84
04/03/2021 15:51:30 5 0
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Typical brexiter who can’t tell ‘there’ and ‘their’ apart. That’s how you recognise them. Forget the smog test. Try the SATs test.
85
04/03/2021 15:51:41 5 2
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I take it we are counter suing the German motor manufacturers for their contribution under the illegal and immoral emissions fiddling scheme they were running. Interestingly after the Kyoto protocol in 1997 the German car industry (with support from 2 jags Prescott) successfully lobbied to legislate in favour of low emission diesel ahead of US and Japanese push for electric?
86
04/03/2021 15:52:18 39 16
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Had the big car makers based in the EU not cheated on emissions then things may well be different, I hope and trust we will tell them where to go. We are not in the EU and they have no jurisdiction over us.
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04/03/2021 16:14:42 25 10
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You know that deal that Boris made? Maybe you should have a read of what was agreed - I think you’ll be in for a shock.
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04/03/2021 17:37:09 4 0
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And they were fined-by the EU
668
04/03/2021 23:15:02 0 0
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Maybe not legally - but they sure do hole a lot of cards from an economic sanctions perspective.
26
04/03/2021 15:23:20 82 149
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More fool us.
Looking forward to more BSE burgers, raw sewage on the beaches and pea soupers.
87
04/03/2021 15:52:23 14 9
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where are you moving to?
366
04/03/2021 17:51:37 5 0
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It is difficult... my language skills are poor. I was offered a job in NL, but it is too flat for me. There are many attractive places outside the UK to live and work.
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QED
05/03/2021 11:15:53 0 0
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Don’t need to ... already in the ‘world beating’ country full of ‘world beating’ little Englanders, who believe any old lie that feeds their sense of superiority over all those nasty foriegners.
88
04/03/2021 15:52:50 133 39
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I'm a Remainer but it does appear that the EU at every step is trying to make life difficult for the UK. The time maybe approaching where we just tell Europe to shove it.
96
04/03/2021 15:55:35 59 117
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Well it wasn’t quite like this before was it? We told 27 countries to get lost and we have managed to create enemies from our old friends. Nobody else did it but ourselves. What do you expect? They’re not going to thank us for it. Soak it up. Blame the brexiters not the EU.
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04/03/2021 15:59:26 14 5
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France, Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK are all getting fined.
We can try telling them to shove it but they are considerably bigger than us.
108
04/03/2021 16:00:53 16 1
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How dare they stick to regulations agreed upon by both parties!?
314
04/03/2021 17:31:47 9 1
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Don't think you are a remainder. Court just doing its job but you suggest they are bias.
358
04/03/2021 17:47:44 8 1
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We did, are you not aware Brexit took place and we are now back where we were in 1973 with increased red tape and loss of our freedom to travel work live and retire in the EU. Hard to believe UK is only 21 miles from France.
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04/03/2021 18:13:52 3 2
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Shove what?
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RPH
04/03/2021 21:01:06 1 2
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So, we told then to shove it, and if they don;' stat being nice to us, we'll tell them to shove it again. Good plan!
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MT
05/03/2021 10:12:17 2 2
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Honest. I was a leaver but not xenophobe, but now my attitude is hardening by the day watching EU try to dictate its law to non members and ignore rules when it suits them, as in Australia vaccine. SHABBY ORGANISATION OF DESPOTS.
966
05/03/2021 11:24:34 1 0
bbc
Good to see that you have seen the light. The EU is a monstrous institution- have visited the parliaments on many occassions- and was horrified with the gross expenditure and self interest on display(made even worse in the pandemic)- all about narrow minded self interest and no understanding of The UK as an island nation and all that it entails.All about punishment for daring to leave!!
05/03/2021 12:55:18 0 0
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Yes, if we want to poison our own people we should be free to do so without them pointing it out.
05/03/2021 13:58:18 0 0
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Did you understand anything about the article, the law, why the EU heard the case?

Do you like pollution? Do you the UK to break laws?

"appear that the EU at every step is trying to make life difficult"?

When will you stop pretending to believe, and peddle this petulant nonsense, that the EU is a cabal of petty-minded individuals who do nothing other than invest ways of ruining your day?
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DG
04/03/2021 15:38:56 14 14
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The ECJ should shut up, we are now FREE of their dictatorship.
89
04/03/2021 15:53:08 6 1
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Still moaning? Funny how brexiters are unhappy about everything.
90
04/03/2021 15:53:53 4 8
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Next move? Extend two fingers and raise them in the direction of the EU. Job done.
21
04/03/2021 15:20:21 8 9
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We've left the EU, so how the EU deals with Germany is now none of our concern.
91
04/03/2021 15:53:55 2 3
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Actually it is are concern for the simple aspect that the Laws are suppose to be applied fairly without fear or favour. Same as the EU want to see that we treat them fairly, it goes both ways.

You would be the 1st to complain if the police fined you and only you!
92
04/03/2021 15:53:00 4 7
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another waste - the EU have to try it on to pay for their bloated bureaucracy somehow - give them nothing, they do nothing for us in the 'deal'
93
04/03/2021 15:54:24 3 6
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tell them to shove it, oh Macron how are the over 65,s now dying thanks to you
94
04/03/2021 15:54:30 10 7
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The mass of Nitrous Dioxide in the UK is through the distribution of EU Goods to Ireland - Or pre Brexit EU Business !
1million HGV's through Holyhead alone !
Its the EU who should be fining themselves !
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sw
04/03/2021 16:37:35 1 0
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Holyhead traffic is not busy now.
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04/03/2021 18:21:49 1 0
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You seem confused. Nitrous Oxide - better known as laughing gas and used as an anaesthetic, and in some kitchen stuff, colourless. Nitrogen Dioxide very toxic and red/brown colour, undiluted by air.
77
04/03/2021 15:43:52 4 6
bbc
EU Manufacturers fixing there cars to beat the EU Smog test , EU Court has NO POWER NOW IN THE UK.un-elected power....
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sw
04/03/2021 15:54:52 1 0
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Please learn to spell. "Their cars." Correct. "There cars. " Not correct.
88
04/03/2021 15:52:50 133 39
bbc
I'm a Remainer but it does appear that the EU at every step is trying to make life difficult for the UK. The time maybe approaching where we just tell Europe to shove it.
96
04/03/2021 15:55:35 59 117
bbc
Well it wasn’t quite like this before was it? We told 27 countries to get lost and we have managed to create enemies from our old friends. Nobody else did it but ourselves. What do you expect? They’re not going to thank us for it. Soak it up. Blame the brexiters not the EU.
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04/03/2021 15:59:35 6 9
bbc
So you admit this is a biased not balanced decision by the ECJ and that their judgement is therefore flawed and not binding. Sounds like you are saying that EU are some sort of world justice pariah. I'm surprised at your candour
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04/03/2021 15:59:51 13 15
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They were never friends ... they were opportunists like poor relatives who hang around expecting the wealthier relative to pay for everything.

When we say we aren't paying anymore they get stroppy and go off in a huff.

Happens everyday in family life and political relationships are exactly the same.

Free meals for everyone ... your paying !!!
154
04/03/2021 16:11:59 14 10
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The EU bureaucracy is our enemy. Not the countries of Europe.
317
04/03/2021 17:32:27 8 1
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They'll always blame the EU.
368
04/03/2021 17:53:39 3 7
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Maybe we were friends only because we did what they wanted?
488
04/03/2021 19:43:55 6 5
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They have never been old friends. At every step of the way from the early 70's they have done nothing but take our money. That's all they have ever been interested in.
568
04/03/2021 20:59:12 6 4
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What we did was say no to German domination, no to unelected bodies , say no to uncontrolled immigration, say no to paying millions for nothing , say no to to some unelected socialist judges imposing laws , say no to a bunch of failed Eurocrats living the life at our expense . We did it for ourselves not to our selves.
592
04/03/2021 21:31:12 5 2
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They were never our "friends", despite what politicians here may say. They were collaborative partners. Not friends.
675
04/03/2021 23:35:13 2 0
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old friends? You are aware that we have had a damn' sight more wars with the French and the Spanish than we've ever had with Germany are you?
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MT
05/03/2021 10:13:51 1 1
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Blame Brexiters for EU fouling up its vaccine procurement then acting against international rules on trade over Australia? Then citing EU law as if it applies to non members. They demonstrate they are as much a threat as a previous horrendous regime in Europe. one that countless millions of service personnel died to free.
968
05/03/2021 11:26:15 1 0
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You'd still be waiting for you vaccine if still in the EU- wake up to what this institution is all about. Control and driving down national identity!!
05/03/2021 16:15:35 0 0
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why
97
04/03/2021 15:56:45 4 1
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Go on BBC - what about the 5 EU Member States involved too. No mention of the outcome arising for these!
107
04/03/2021 16:00:32 3 1
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And if these other states do or don't get fined, so what? We are out of the EU, albeit with connections that Johnson signed up to.
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04/03/2021 15:56:14 6 5
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Crasie 15:49 "Yes, but we imported them."
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They were imported off the back of a huge LIE from these eu manufacturers, is it any wonder that the sensible (majority) Brit, voted to leave this quagmire of LIES.

And they proved the point without doubt recently, last week it was confiscating GB lorry drivers packed lunches, this week banning GB soil, which is (apparently) incompatible with eu soil?
Oh yes, the truth about the EUSSR is now shining through.

Look at these boards, they were nothing but a pro Remain echo chamber. Now, Leavers are taking over.
Removed
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04/03/2021 16:27:11 2 2
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We voted to leave so new border and trade rules apply to non-EU countries. Hiding behind calling the blaming the EU for your own misunderstanding of Brexit won't fool many about from other leave voters.
99
04/03/2021 15:58:18 1 4
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The UK government has diplomatic immunity. No fines will be paid.
190
04/03/2021 16:23:58 1 1
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Another example why it is dangerous to give all over 18's a vote (I'm assuming you're old enough to vote).
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04/03/2021 15:35:59 35 18
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The ECJ has come to a ruling quite legally but now has no rights to impose fines, or force UK to pay any fines imposed, as the UK has left the EU. A point of principle but nothing else.
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04/03/2021 15:58:36 7 1
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The fines are for previous actions while we were part of the EU. So as long as all parties are treated the same then we need to pay the fines up to the point where we left.

But for future, if any, breaches no their jurisdiction is no longer applicable.