Budget 2021: 'Scrooge Sunak not levelling with people' on cuts
04/03/2021 | news | business | 925
The Budget leaves the chancellor looking more Scrooge than Santa, says the Institute for Fiscal Studies.
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04/03/2021 13:05:58 9 22
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Congratulations Mr Sunak you have just extended the lost decade to 19 years.
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04/03/2021 13:06:44 14 19
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All this covers up the insane lack of help towards the NHS . Waiting lists for those very seriously ill but at least Phill got his quickly - how come ?
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04/03/2021 13:12:33 7 4
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Private health care most likely.
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04/03/2021 13:44:24 4 0
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He was admitted to hospital, then assessed.

Don’t wait if you have a heart issue. Speak to your doctor, call 111, or go to your A&E.

Philip did just that. He told he doctor he wasn’t feeling well. They did the rest.
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04/03/2021 13:07:38 11 20
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Shame he didn't scrap HS2, Trident and other multi £Bn project that could almost pay off the Covid debt in one go. But its funny how the entire budget blamed Covid for the debt and the recession and no mention of the Brexit impact. Trying to hide brexit bad news under the cover of Covid.
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04/03/2021 13:25:45 7 5
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Yes, we don't want electrified low-carbon public transport nor self-defense, regardless of the millions of Brits who work in these sectors who would lose their jobs.
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04/03/2021 13:12:30 5 3
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Get over it. We voted to LEAVE!
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04/03/2021 13:08:02 7 10
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I remember David Cameron saying that cutting Corporation tax rate would actually increase the amount of tax that would be paid. Rishi Sunak has raised Corporation tax to raise more money.

One of them has been/ is lying to us.
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04/03/2021 13:15:03 11 1
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It is not about lying it is about opinion and what you do to ensure corporations don't avoid the rise.
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04/03/2021 13:22:21 6 3
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Brainless comment! The economy wasn't reeling from Covid when Cameron said it.
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04/03/2021 13:39:17 1 0
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And it’s also a policy of your beloved Labour Party. Particularly the unions and Left Wingers. So what’s the problem? Or do you just like arguments.
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04/03/2021 13:49:25 0 0
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I think the correct term for an MP is called, refraining from telling the full truth.
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04/03/2021 13:08:05 216 20
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Can’t do right for doing wrong unfortunately. Its got to be paid back somehow.
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04/03/2021 13:17:27 65 118
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But, as throughout history, they won't remove any new tax increases once everything is paid for. e.g. Income tax was introduced in 1798 to pay for the Napoleonic Wars.

Perhaps they can take the edge of a little by using some of the money that Brexit is supposed to be saving us all?
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04/03/2021 13:56:18 3 16
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What have they been doing with all our money over the years?, surely not partying with out us?
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04/03/2021 14:04:02 3 6
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Since 2008 most Government borrowing has been through its bank, the BoE, buying Government corporate bonds:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/mar/08/the-verdict-on-10-years-of-quantitative-easing

The BoE is part of Government:

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/knowledgebank/who-owns-the-bank-of-england

The BoE has conjured the money it has used to buy Government bonds out of thin air.
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04/03/2021 14:06:24 12 7
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The BoE has also been, since the 2008 crash, buying back Government bonds from financial institutions, who have in turn bought more Government bonds; and it's been going in that circular motion ever since.

This is all funded by the money conjured out of thin air; it has redirected lots more wealth to the rich, whilst we have been sold the lie we need to repay it through austerity & wage freezes.
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04/03/2021 14:07:13 7 8
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When interest rates are extremely low or, as they are currently, at a negative rate, institutions are paying the Government to look after their money. As you can see from my previous 2 comments it's a game of smoke & mirrors proving the economy has always been contrived & manipulated.

There is no need to raise our taxes, depress our wages or impose austerity on us. Will YOU fall for it again?
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04/03/2021 14:08:24 3 8
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If people doubt what I am saying they can read up on it here:

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy/quantitative-easing

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/markets/market-notices/2020/asset-purchase-facility-additional-corporate-bond-purchases

It's not as if the BoE hides what the Government is doing.

The BBC never explains the circular bond buying as I do above. I wonder why?
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04/03/2021 14:15:23 2 2
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My comments above should show you how the Government has been paying off its "debts" since 2008.

The "borrowing" you refer to is in fact just a smoke and mirrors exercise: In 2008 the world's financial intuitions had gone bust due to the illegal circular & constant reselling of bad debt. Not all had been involved, but they would have suffered very severely from the consequences.
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04/03/2021 14:21:03 2 1
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But they didn't suffer because the world's governments bailed them out using QE (as described above).

Funnily people say the governments have been borrowing from the very financial institutions they saved. This would raise the chicken and the egg question, wouldn't it?!

But if you read the guff produced by the BoE the governments have in fact been borrowing from themselves.
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04/03/2021 14:26:11 1 0
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During the war
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04/03/2021 16:04:16 0 0
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Except that National Debts are in the realms of fantasy. UK £390 Billion. USA $2.3 Trillion (thats 102% of the countries GDP) There is no way these amounts will be 'paid off' Pre Covid they were steadily growing, at some point the World will need a 'Year Zero' for these debts and wipe them out.
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04/03/2021 13:08:40 6 13
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Council Tax set for a 4.7% rise in our area.

We will pay twice that of Westminster Council Rishi, that's levelling up?
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04/03/2021 13:24:02 17 5
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NO, that's your Council being less able than Westminster Council - speak to your local councilors about it.
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04/03/2021 13:55:24 1 0
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Ours is up 7%. 5% on the headline rate and £50 to have your green waste removed. They want everywhere to stink of rotting compost and be inundated with flies and nesting rats.
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04/03/2021 13:11:26 26 16
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Santa Sunak? More like Socialist Sunak. He has stolen Corbyn's clothes.
Corporation Tax up 30% to 25%. Huge subsidies to Railways. 6 million on Universal Basic Income, Universal credit up 28%. Rates subsidies. Pension freezes.
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04/03/2021 13:18:16 19 6
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Which is why the Labour party is screwed it is now fighting a "marginally" more competently managed version of itself.

Sadly the country screwed because we only ever choose from these two.
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OwO
04/03/2021 13:31:28 1 11
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"Corporation Tax up 30% to 25%."

You think it was at minus 5 percent before? It hasn't increased by a third either, where are you getting these figures from?
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04/03/2021 14:11:34 1 1
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Of course had Corbyn been in power, just imagine the even greater pile of debt we would now be sitting on - and either bigger tax rises than this, or an ignorance of the issue, burying it for future generations to deal with.

There was absolutely no way we were going to get through this pandemic without tax rises to pay for all the support the government has given.
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04/03/2021 21:06:16 0 0
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Perhaps Corbyn’s problem was his beard, along with terrorist sympathies.
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04/03/2021 13:11:39 82 11
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Of course things have changed from before, has no one noticed we are in the middle of a pandemic.
Keeping most people in jobs costs money, the loans have to be paid back, anyone remember austerity.
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04/03/2021 13:51:29 29 5
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We are at the tail end of a pandemic. Cases down 90%. Deaths down 80%. 28 million either vaccinated or recovered from Covid.
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04/03/2021 15:09:51 1 4
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Most of the loans (gov bonds) to the government are owned by the Bank of England.
The idea that austerity is necessary is false. Economic growth and inflation should be left to erode the debt.
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04/03/2021 17:52:47 3 0
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I, and others had to work through all lockdowns and restrictions.
This put myself and my family at risk, I was rewarded with redundancy in December. I do not see why I or anyone else who had to work through those times should have to pay for those who went into hiding. HMRC have the data and know who they are, make them repay it over the next few decades by putting 2p in the £ on their income tax.
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05/03/2021 11:23:01 0 1
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You're right, loans will have to be paid back.

The problem is, the govt is increasing taxes to pay back it's loans, but what about the loans taken out by businesses themselves? They also need paying back, yet those same businesses are going to be hit with higher taxes, and will therefore have less money to meet their loan obligations.

Sunak is trying to claw money back too soon.
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04/03/2021 13:06:44 14 19
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All this covers up the insane lack of help towards the NHS . Waiting lists for those very seriously ill but at least Phill got his quickly - how come ?
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04/03/2021 13:12:33 7 4
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Private health care most likely.
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04/03/2021 13:14:13 17 24
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This covers up the mess of the virus but most importantly the cost of Brexit
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04/03/2021 13:50:21 3 0
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Yes. Sunak said they had borrowed £308 billion last year, but read the small print.
National debt rose by £483 billion.
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Bob
04/03/2021 13:14:32 163 67
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Disgraceful headline from the BBC, I'm certain the IFS did not refer to HM Chancellor as "Scrooge"!!
Sensationalism at its worst, time to break up the BBC & make the good parts pay to view.
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04/03/2021 13:17:55 65 23
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All other news outlets are saying that these were exact words used by Paul Johnson from the IFS.
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04/03/2021 13:20:53 19 4
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Scrooge Sunak was put in quotation marks. That suggests the article is quoting the words someone else has used.
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04/03/2021 13:22:50 19 3
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Its a quote from the person from the IFS, maybe read past the headline as these are simply designed to draw people in....and all news media does this

"but Paul Johnson of the IFS said they were set to cause more pain.

At the same time, big tax rises were "screeching U-turns", Mr Johnson said.

"Santa Sunak" was now looking more like "Scrooge Sunak", he added."
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04/03/2021 13:22:51 13 21
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Propaganda is standard for the BBC
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04/03/2021 13:42:19 11 16
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The trouble with the BBC is it loves to spend other peoples money promoting socialism.
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04/03/2021 13:56:27 7 7
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Yes I am happy to see the Beeb stand on its own 2 feet by subscription. (ALREADY DOING for subscribers in N America).

But here they are just reporting what someone has said.

Obviously you Klepto-Stalinists in Boris's "New Tory Party" only want unfettered praise for Wishy Washy. Move to NK if thats what you want.

I don't particularly agree with the IFS here, but its just his P.O.V.

Calm down
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04/03/2021 14:28:15 14 4
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These words were on the ITV,Sky stop this boring knocking of the BBC
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04/03/2021 16:32:19 2 0
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"Take account of the cuts to planned spending announced in the Autumn and Santa Sunak, purveyor of billions today looks more like Scrooge Sunak cutting spending and raising taxes to the tune of nearly £50 billion relative to his pre-pandemic plans of March 2020." That is what the IFS said. Why don't you check your facts before shooting your mouth off?
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04/03/2021 19:31:16 0 0
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Ok Dom??
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05/03/2021 09:56:53 0 0
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Blind again Bob?
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PS
04/03/2021 13:15:03 6 10
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What Chancellor ever tells the trust? Too many self interested complainers on here as the budget doesn't fit with their personal or business circumstances. Guess what folks let's have the same conversation in three years time instead of bleeting on about this moment in time.
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04/03/2021 13:23:33 11 1
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I don't know, what Chancellor ever does tell the trust?
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04/03/2021 13:08:02 7 10
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I remember David Cameron saying that cutting Corporation tax rate would actually increase the amount of tax that would be paid. Rishi Sunak has raised Corporation tax to raise more money.

One of them has been/ is lying to us.
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04/03/2021 13:15:03 11 1
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It is not about lying it is about opinion and what you do to ensure corporations don't avoid the rise.
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04/03/2021 13:17:09 15 15
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Sunak does not understand: He states (correctly) that the wealthier will contribute more from the tax increases than the low paid. But what he fails to see is that £100 or £200 per annum drop in net income to the very poor and pensioners, will be a bigger financial blow to them than (say) £5000 extra tax to the rich, which some will not hardly notice.
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04/03/2021 13:25:48 10 1
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The so called rich that will be taxed the most earn £60,000 a year before taxes and £45,000 after (top 10% earn this or more) - losing £5,000 I think will go noticed!

True some will hardly notice but that will probably be the 1% of people who take home over £100,000 a year after taxes. And guess what - they are well equipped to avoid rises via the many tax relief schemes available to them.
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04/03/2021 13:21:28 1 4
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If the very poor actually put some effort in and GOT A JOB then they could resolve their issues, no?
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04/03/2021 13:08:05 216 20
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Can’t do right for doing wrong unfortunately. Its got to be paid back somehow.
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04/03/2021 13:17:27 65 118
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But, as throughout history, they won't remove any new tax increases once everything is paid for. e.g. Income tax was introduced in 1798 to pay for the Napoleonic Wars.

Perhaps they can take the edge of a little by using some of the money that Brexit is supposed to be saving us all?
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OwO
04/03/2021 13:34:36 29 7
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Income tax may still be around, but it was only a few years ago they effectively doubled the tax free allowance. Minimum wage is also increasing year on year, unabated by this budget.

How's that for levelling up the worst off?
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04/03/2021 14:00:29 8 0
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No. Income tax was introduced in 1799 and abolished in 1802 by Lord Sidmouth.
It was reintroduced in 1842 by the Tory Robert Peel at 7% on income over £150 a year. ( About £18,000 in todays money).
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04/03/2021 14:48:00 0 0
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they won't remove any new tax increases once everything is paid for.

Dartford Crossing springs to mind
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04/03/2021 14:48:44 4 2
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Brexit has already cost billions and will only get worse.
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Pip
04/03/2021 14:50:38 3 2
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Sadly Brexshit is still to hit us, that might cause a little wobble...........?
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04/03/2021 15:35:25 3 0
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In the days of the Napoleonic Wars government provided virtually no services.

As interesting is that the Civil Service is larger now than at the time the British Empire was at it's peak.

It is supposition, but perhaps it's the cost of providing all those "free" services that so many take for granted (and so many do get for free) that really pushes up the need for revenue.
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04/03/2021 17:18:20 0 1
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Sunak has recently reviewed the Brexit costs / benefits summary and realised his boss - the clown - has been looking at the graph upside down for the last 2 years . Waiting for the right moment to let him know that the net impact is negative for years 1 - 15 , but with a fair wind and a bunch of unrealistic assumptions it could be a positive impact after that ( fingers and toes crossed) .
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04/03/2021 20:53:48 0 0
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Long since been spent.
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05/03/2021 06:31:26 0 0
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Are you from the future?
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05/03/2021 11:15:30 0 0
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What the govt will never admit, they've been throwing money at keeping businesses going, and continue to do so, not just because of Covid, but also because of Brexit.

Brexit is SO problematic, they've now broken the terms of that "great" deal twice already. It'll continue to cost us vast sums of money long after Covid has become just bad memory.
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05/03/2021 13:41:39 0 0
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Stop moaning about Brexit. Brexit is to going to be reversed.
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Bob
04/03/2021 13:14:32 163 67
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Disgraceful headline from the BBC, I'm certain the IFS did not refer to HM Chancellor as "Scrooge"!!
Sensationalism at its worst, time to break up the BBC & make the good parts pay to view.
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04/03/2021 13:17:55 65 23
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All other news outlets are saying that these were exact words used by Paul Johnson from the IFS.
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04/03/2021 14:28:37 4 1
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Thanks for telling the truth
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04/03/2021 15:31:09 2 0
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So Paul Johnson has just got it wrong. nb. Scrooge did not have a £2.8 trillion debt.....
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04/03/2021 17:07:45 0 0
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Then Paul Johnson needs to look at his motives and hubris!
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05/03/2021 13:44:38 0 0
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I bet Paul Johnson doesn't vote Conservaive.
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04/03/2021 13:11:26 26 16
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Santa Sunak? More like Socialist Sunak. He has stolen Corbyn's clothes.
Corporation Tax up 30% to 25%. Huge subsidies to Railways. 6 million on Universal Basic Income, Universal credit up 28%. Rates subsidies. Pension freezes.
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04/03/2021 13:18:16 19 6
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Which is why the Labour party is screwed it is now fighting a "marginally" more competently managed version of itself.

Sadly the country screwed because we only ever choose from these two.
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04/03/2021 13:24:48 5 5
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Why is it labour that is screwed. The pattern I see here is that Labour comes up with a policy plan. The tories adn MSM decry is as socialism and would bankrupt the country. The tories wait a few months and then implement the same plan claiming it as their own.

What is the tories ideology nowadays anyway? Bet you can't define it
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04/03/2021 17:18:11 0 0
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"Marginally more competent" Are you mad?! Have you forgotten that we have one of the highest covid death rates in the world, the worst GDP in the G7, govt lies about PPE, testing, track & trace, cronyism, etc. Public services run down over 10 years and taken to a cliff edge. You call that competent govt?!
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04/03/2021 20:28:31 0 0
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momentum wont like that
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04/03/2021 13:20:50 192 55
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BBC reporting on the budget has been frankly abject.

Reporting from Sky "Just hours after the budget, the first snap poll, by Opinium Research, suggested 52% approved, with only 12% disapproving. The second, by YouGov, showed 46% in support and 11% opposed."

Strangely all the BBC does is report negativity and ignores the positive reaction, it not suiting the BBC's agenda...
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04/03/2021 13:27:03 147 58
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The BBC has become the radio and TV wing of the Guardian.
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04/03/2021 13:30:52 34 10
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We can all complain about the fall in quality in the BBC news reporting since Brexit. But remember you have a choice

I find both ITV and Sky provide a far better service these days

BBC News is dogged with the self promotion of its journalists and their own personal opinions and biases to the detriment of unbiased and factual news broadcasting

So why the hell am I here!
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04/03/2021 14:07:50 12 23
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Poll no doubt carried out in tory stronghold. Maybe in the towns that are going to get millions of public money, tory run of course.
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Pip
04/03/2021 14:57:21 3 13
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Let's wait until the 'Keeping up Appearances' classes actually understand what's going on beyond there Chintz curtains, the approval rate may not be so generous in the cold light of day.............?
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04/03/2021 16:33:57 2 1
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Opinion polls aren't news unless its an election, they shouldnt be in the news because polls are often biased and open to manipulation. good example of this is when certain players win goals of the month on match of the day because that player/team is v popular in some other countries.

What they've reported is the actual quote from the IFS which is actually news, you just dont like it...
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04/03/2021 18:16:19 5 2
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I'm with you, Beeb is not worth the fee.
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04/03/2021 20:22:45 5 0
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dont worry the silent majority know whats what with media coverage
BBC News whose recent and current main presenters and political editors include Andrew Neil, Jeremy Paxman, Andrew Marr, Boris' mate Laura Kuenssberg, Nick "Blue Robbo" Robinson, and of course the former political editor of Newsnight, Allegra Stratton , who worked for Sunak before becoming Johnson's press secretary.

What is their agenda....
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05/03/2021 11:19:41 0 0
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Don't shoot the messenger.

You may not like what you read, it may not suite your narrative, but unless they're making stuff up, then it's called, erm, oh yes I know, THE TRUTH!

I was expecting better from this budget.
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05/03/2021 15:23:29 0 0
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could it be the poor (some say crap) government is generating its own negative reaction? hmm.... low competence people in senior positions never turns out well.
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Bob
04/03/2021 13:14:32 163 67
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Disgraceful headline from the BBC, I'm certain the IFS did not refer to HM Chancellor as "Scrooge"!!
Sensationalism at its worst, time to break up the BBC & make the good parts pay to view.
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04/03/2021 13:20:53 19 4
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Scrooge Sunak was put in quotation marks. That suggests the article is quoting the words someone else has used.
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04/03/2021 13:08:02 7 10
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I remember David Cameron saying that cutting Corporation tax rate would actually increase the amount of tax that would be paid. Rishi Sunak has raised Corporation tax to raise more money.

One of them has been/ is lying to us.
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04/03/2021 13:22:21 6 3
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Brainless comment! The economy wasn't reeling from Covid when Cameron said it.
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04/03/2021 13:29:52 2 4
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True. But it was still reeling from the world recession caused by the American banking crash.
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04/03/2021 13:22:25 226 37
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Once you turn the taps on it's very hard to turn them off. People get used to more free money from others and become very resistant to not getting given it.

Rishi did a good job, the outer edges of the right and left are both moaning so it's probably very sensible.
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04/03/2021 13:23:59 81 19
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Agreed.
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04/03/2021 14:06:20 2 6
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And exactly what has he done.
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04/03/2021 15:41:55 8 1
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Well said.
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Jim
04/03/2021 22:15:15 9 0
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Well said, the nation are addicted to benefits of some sort, it would take a brave party to turn off the taps as they would likely get a drubbing at the next general election.

But it has to happen, this level of financial bribery (normal non covid bribery) I just not sustainable
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Bob
04/03/2021 13:14:32 163 67
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Disgraceful headline from the BBC, I'm certain the IFS did not refer to HM Chancellor as "Scrooge"!!
Sensationalism at its worst, time to break up the BBC & make the good parts pay to view.
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04/03/2021 13:22:50 19 3
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Its a quote from the person from the IFS, maybe read past the headline as these are simply designed to draw people in....and all news media does this

"but Paul Johnson of the IFS said they were set to cause more pain.

At the same time, big tax rises were "screeching U-turns", Mr Johnson said.

"Santa Sunak" was now looking more like "Scrooge Sunak", he added."
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04/03/2021 13:25:23 6 13
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You believe that? Then all credibility has left the IFS.
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PS
04/03/2021 13:15:03 6 10
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What Chancellor ever tells the trust? Too many self interested complainers on here as the budget doesn't fit with their personal or business circumstances. Guess what folks let's have the same conversation in three years time instead of bleeting on about this moment in time.
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04/03/2021 13:23:33 11 1
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I don't know, what Chancellor ever does tell the trust?
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04/03/2021 13:22:25 226 37
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Once you turn the taps on it's very hard to turn them off. People get used to more free money from others and become very resistant to not getting given it.

Rishi did a good job, the outer edges of the right and left are both moaning so it's probably very sensible.
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04/03/2021 13:23:59 81 19
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Agreed.
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04/03/2021 13:08:40 6 13
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Council Tax set for a 4.7% rise in our area.

We will pay twice that of Westminster Council Rishi, that's levelling up?
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04/03/2021 13:24:02 17 5
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NO, that's your Council being less able than Westminster Council - speak to your local councilors about it.
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04/03/2021 13:27:46 2 3
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Rubbish mate, lets have it based on "PROPERTY VALUE" massive parts of this country are subsidising LONDON and enough is enough. Why should I pay double the Westminster rate when my property is possibly valued at a fraction of a London home ?????? We are being fleeced.
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04/03/2021 13:18:16 19 6
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Which is why the Labour party is screwed it is now fighting a "marginally" more competently managed version of itself.

Sadly the country screwed because we only ever choose from these two.
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04/03/2021 13:24:48 5 5
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Why is it labour that is screwed. The pattern I see here is that Labour comes up with a policy plan. The tories adn MSM decry is as socialism and would bankrupt the country. The tories wait a few months and then implement the same plan claiming it as their own.

What is the tories ideology nowadays anyway? Bet you can't define it
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04/03/2021 13:29:29 6 4
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No - Labour come up with a wingnut plan for normal times that could only be of use in a global pandemic emergency, then we end up having a pandemic and the Tories enact something similar.
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04/03/2021 14:10:25 2 0
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Not sure it is for me to define but would suggest it is something like the following:

Tories ideology - beat Labour
Labour ideology - beat Tories
Labour + Tory ideology - maintain the duopoly
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04/03/2021 13:25:38 2 23
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Sunak, the biggest pension thief since Brown.
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04/03/2021 13:32:26 6 2
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Can you explain your view? I don’t understand from what you’ve written so far?
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04/03/2021 13:07:38 11 20
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Shame he didn't scrap HS2, Trident and other multi £Bn project that could almost pay off the Covid debt in one go. But its funny how the entire budget blamed Covid for the debt and the recession and no mention of the Brexit impact. Trying to hide brexit bad news under the cover of Covid.
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04/03/2021 13:25:45 7 5
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Yes, we don't want electrified low-carbon public transport nor self-defense, regardless of the millions of Brits who work in these sectors who would lose their jobs.
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05/03/2021 12:30:38 0 0
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No item that consumes large quantities of energy is truly "green" - making this new line high speed is the opposite of green - energy consumption increases as the square of the velocity. Far better make the northern section a conventional line & drop the BS posturing
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04/03/2021 13:17:09 15 15
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Sunak does not understand: He states (correctly) that the wealthier will contribute more from the tax increases than the low paid. But what he fails to see is that £100 or £200 per annum drop in net income to the very poor and pensioners, will be a bigger financial blow to them than (say) £5000 extra tax to the rich, which some will not hardly notice.
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04/03/2021 13:25:48 10 1
bbc
The so called rich that will be taxed the most earn £60,000 a year before taxes and £45,000 after (top 10% earn this or more) - losing £5,000 I think will go noticed!

True some will hardly notice but that will probably be the 1% of people who take home over £100,000 a year after taxes. And guess what - they are well equipped to avoid rises via the many tax relief schemes available to them.
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04/03/2021 13:33:38 3 1
bbc
What tax relief schemes are available to a PAYE on £100K?
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04/03/2021 13:35:14 2 1
bbc
An the top earning 1% pay 25% of total tax take.
30
04/03/2021 13:26:05 56 19
bbc
All well the BBC school of politics spend spend spend. Then slag the govt off when the national debt increases but then also slag the govt off when they try and redress the balance.

Income tax level freezes only affect when people get pay increase & many firms won't be doing that for a few years. The Corp tax increase only affect companies that make profit which a lot wont be doing for a few yrs.
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04/03/2021 14:05:29 13 42
bbc
Why do you criticise the BBC when top tories run the place. Pity it's not neutral any more. Distinct sea change recently. Seemingly dare not ask Govt the right questions and never anything on brexit debacle.
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BD
04/03/2021 14:28:33 4 1
bbc
Agree completely on the lack of impact for most on income tax level freezes - BBC and other media have become a little hysterical.
The media has 'discussed' low pay rises for many years. I fail to see the problem - to all those neg posters out there, please remember that going slightly over the new limits adds only a few £s a month to your tax bill ...
726
04/03/2021 22:06:25 1 1
bbc
and what part of anyhting you say about not getting pay rises is good when in one month all your core bills are going up 5 % ? and the forecast for 5 yrs is at least another 10%. So what part of what you say is good ..... The Govt. are experts in Entropy .... we have been going backwards since 2008.
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04/03/2021 13:26:54 12 16
bbc
2000 largest corps owe tax of 35 billion.
Track n trace, a dismal failure at least 10 billion
NHS ripped off on supplies at least 7 billion
Benefit fraud, at least 4.6 billion
Failed war on drugs costs 1.5 billion
Foreign Aid costs 15 billion
150 million on PPE masks that don't work.

£73 billion pounds saved by solving all that. Or tax the poorest. Hmm, what should a millionaire chancellor do?
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04/03/2021 13:30:50 8 11
bbc
The politics of envy. Not a pretty look.
154
04/03/2021 14:02:48 1 1
bbc
Economics 101 - You can't save money you have already spent
18
04/03/2021 13:20:50 192 55
bbc
BBC reporting on the budget has been frankly abject.

Reporting from Sky "Just hours after the budget, the first snap poll, by Opinium Research, suggested 52% approved, with only 12% disapproving. The second, by YouGov, showed 46% in support and 11% opposed."

Strangely all the BBC does is report negativity and ignores the positive reaction, it not suiting the BBC's agenda...
32
04/03/2021 13:27:03 147 58
bbc
The BBC has become the radio and TV wing of the Guardian.
51
04/03/2021 13:33:23 20 4
bbc
It has always been so, along with Channel 4.
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04/03/2021 13:40:17 17 1
bbc
It has been for years.
110
04/03/2021 13:49:25 18 5
bbc
According to people who have worked at the BC, it is the regulation staff paper. The liberal elite eh, with those massive salaries and pensions.
178
04/03/2021 14:08:28 15 21
bbc
Rubbish. Run by tories. Check out the appointees if you dare.
230
04/03/2021 14:27:21 12 23
bbc
Utter rubbish,just because they tell the truth you don't like it,so sad
470
04/03/2021 16:06:27 3 7
bbc
Having had several independent reports stating that the BBC is slightly right of centre, its interesting to see that there are plenty of alt-right commentators on here. Happy little Daily Mail and Express or even Sun or Telegraph readers. Papers sold by toffs and henchmen who know that they can control, gas-light and fill their heads with propaganda, make angry and pocket the cash.
661
04/03/2021 19:29:49 1 6
bbc
You mean because they don’t kiss Tory bottoms, well most of the rest of the media do so stop complaining or should we just have a media like Russia or China??
25
04/03/2021 13:24:02 17 5
bbc
NO, that's your Council being less able than Westminster Council - speak to your local councilors about it.
33
04/03/2021 13:27:46 2 3
bbc
Rubbish mate, lets have it based on "PROPERTY VALUE" massive parts of this country are subsidising LONDON and enough is enough. Why should I pay double the Westminster rate when my property is possibly valued at a fraction of a London home ?????? We are being fleeced.
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04/03/2021 13:37:26 2 1
bbc
Council tax goes to fund local services, it sounds like your profligate council (doubtless a Labour one) is not able to manage its expenditure whereas Westminster council is.

The value of a home does not reflect the cost of collecting bins, providing libraries, mowing parks etc and we should have a poll tax within each council area to be sensibly fair.
34
04/03/2021 13:28:04 24 17
bbc
Sunak is reversing Robin Hood's philosophy.
192
04/03/2021 14:13:51 10 9
bbc
To be honest, this current Gov are the sort of people who would have come out in full support of the Sherriff of Nottingham.
3
04/03/2021 13:07:38 11 20
bbc
Shame he didn't scrap HS2, Trident and other multi £Bn project that could almost pay off the Covid debt in one go. But its funny how the entire budget blamed Covid for the debt and the recession and no mention of the Brexit impact. Trying to hide brexit bad news under the cover of Covid.
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04/03/2021 13:12:30 5 3
bbc
Get over it. We voted to LEAVE!
26
04/03/2021 13:24:48 5 5
bbc
Why is it labour that is screwed. The pattern I see here is that Labour comes up with a policy plan. The tories adn MSM decry is as socialism and would bankrupt the country. The tories wait a few months and then implement the same plan claiming it as their own.

What is the tories ideology nowadays anyway? Bet you can't define it
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04/03/2021 13:29:29 6 4
bbc
No - Labour come up with a wingnut plan for normal times that could only be of use in a global pandemic emergency, then we end up having a pandemic and the Tories enact something similar.
20
04/03/2021 13:22:21 6 3
bbc
Brainless comment! The economy wasn't reeling from Covid when Cameron said it.
37
04/03/2021 13:29:52 2 4
bbc
True. But it was still reeling from the world recession caused by the American banking crash.
38
04/03/2021 13:10:13 310 29
bbc
We have just experienced 12 months of lockdown. Business closed, people unable to work and huge damage to the economy. Government furlough scheme, at huge cost, prevented widespread loss of earnings and financial difficulty. That money has to be recovered somehow.

Anyone that expected "Santa" Sunak after all of this expenditure is clueless.
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mc
04/03/2021 13:34:08 39 85
bbc
a lot more people gaining by furlough, working from home but those key workers are now losing money
161
04/03/2021 14:04:04 5 15
bbc
McCluskey and the Unions already calling for furlough to be extended to 2022.
251
04/03/2021 14:32:11 9 26
bbc
Why label people clueless because you don't understand how the economic system has been working since 2008?

If you take a look at the thread started by another Tory Bot, Harley, you will see that I have, with evidence supplied by the BoE, explained how in fact it's all a game of smoke and mirrors, and that the government has been borrowing from itself & printing money.
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04/03/2021 14:47:05 0 0
bbc
Santa Sunak nice one Harry .like it
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04/03/2021 15:03:31 5 7
bbc
Furlough and Self Employment grants were a blunt instrument required to make something happen fast.

As such they have been subject to £bn of fraud and are failing to get support to those who really need it... e.g. some people have had grants hand over fist whilst still working.

The government have no excuse for failing to implement a more targeted and effective job retention scheme.
418
04/03/2021 15:37:26 4 0
bbc
Nice free publicity for these think tanks to justify their existence though.
421
04/03/2021 15:41:17 1 3
bbc
Agreed Harry but again the areas of pension relief and capital gains tax and potential means testing of aged pension were not touched. The areas that effect the wealthier members of the population and would have raised considerable tax revenue without freezing bands for the poorer people that can least afford it!
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04/03/2021 15:55:54 0 0
bbc
Hopefully there will be an increase in investment into psychological care services in the NHS as there has been a rise in the number of people suffering varying states of mental illness.
The sooner we can help to work towards tackling these peoples issues the sooner we can help affected people to hopefully improve on their health and be more effective in society. Another economical benefit.
558
04/03/2021 17:20:29 3 1
bbc
Well I don't need money I had savings as I lived in my means and everyone should have savings to survive a year with out screaming compensation !!!
641
04/03/2021 18:59:17 0 4
bbc
The story is not so much about what Sunak is doing, it's about his lack of transparency (whilst claiming to be transparent).
831
05/03/2021 10:19:02 0 0
bbc
Some people seem to expect Sunak and the entire government to have a magic wand to make Covid and all of its consequences disappear much sooner than they will do.

Meanwhile, back in the real world; there is a limit to how much any government of such a densely populated, yet free country could do.

Sunak can't possibly help or satisfy everyone and I wouldn't have his job for 100 times his salary.
834
05/03/2021 10:33:18 0 0
bbc
The Institute for Financial Studies vs 'Harry' from HyS.

My money is on the IFS here.
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05/03/2021 15:06:49 0 0
bbc
What do expect from anti government Faisal ,backed by the BBC .
918
05/03/2021 16:00:49 0 0
bbc
Or a nursing union.
920
05/03/2021 16:29:09 0 0
bbc
Furlough has been an expensive disaster, this is supposed to be a Conservative government yet here they are just throwing money away.
39
04/03/2021 13:11:38 6 9
bbc
I was expecting a much harsher budget. My only criticism is that he could have upped the tax rate rather than freezing thresholds as this is kinder to the poor, but he honoured an election pledge to freeze rates.
I would have liked to see a cut in corporation tax to attract the likes of Amazon away from the EU's tax haven, Luxembourg, but maybe a bit risky at this time.
40
04/03/2021 13:30:38 70 19
bbc
Tories get criticised for cutting corporation tax.
Tories get criticised for increasing corporation tax.

Just love criticising Tories.
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04/03/2021 13:52:53 40 12
bbc
It is the BBC. Even on Guardian BTL today the top voted comments are ones supporting this budget. I hope everyone has enjoyed listening to their nest Prime Minister when he has been interviewed about his budget.
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04/03/2021 14:01:52 4 7
bbc
Why not. Its deserved.
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Pip
04/03/2021 15:00:22 1 6
bbc
They make it so easy to do..............?
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04/03/2021 13:26:54 12 16
bbc
2000 largest corps owe tax of 35 billion.
Track n trace, a dismal failure at least 10 billion
NHS ripped off on supplies at least 7 billion
Benefit fraud, at least 4.6 billion
Failed war on drugs costs 1.5 billion
Foreign Aid costs 15 billion
150 million on PPE masks that don't work.

£73 billion pounds saved by solving all that. Or tax the poorest. Hmm, what should a millionaire chancellor do?
41
04/03/2021 13:30:50 8 11
bbc
The politics of envy. Not a pretty look.
52
04/03/2021 13:33:29 2 2
bbc
Verses the politics of greed. Which is no better
156
04/03/2021 14:03:09 1 0
bbc
Envy. Doubt that very much.
18
04/03/2021 13:20:50 192 55
bbc
BBC reporting on the budget has been frankly abject.

Reporting from Sky "Just hours after the budget, the first snap poll, by Opinium Research, suggested 52% approved, with only 12% disapproving. The second, by YouGov, showed 46% in support and 11% opposed."

Strangely all the BBC does is report negativity and ignores the positive reaction, it not suiting the BBC's agenda...
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04/03/2021 13:30:52 34 10
bbc
We can all complain about the fall in quality in the BBC news reporting since Brexit. But remember you have a choice

I find both ITV and Sky provide a far better service these days

BBC News is dogged with the self promotion of its journalists and their own personal opinions and biases to the detriment of unbiased and factual news broadcasting

So why the hell am I here!
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04/03/2021 16:34:56 5 2
bbc
Yeah why the hell are you here. So many people here complain about the BBC but they are here day after day, so either they think they are on some sort of crusade or they have an agenda. either are laughable
7
04/03/2021 13:11:26 26 16
bbc
Santa Sunak? More like Socialist Sunak. He has stolen Corbyn's clothes.
Corporation Tax up 30% to 25%. Huge subsidies to Railways. 6 million on Universal Basic Income, Universal credit up 28%. Rates subsidies. Pension freezes.
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OwO
04/03/2021 13:31:28 1 11
bbc
"Corporation Tax up 30% to 25%."

You think it was at minus 5 percent before? It hasn't increased by a third either, where are you getting these figures from?
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04/03/2021 13:35:12 7 2
bbc
Now you're just embarrassing yourself. Do us a favour, don't vote, it's a wasted one.
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04/03/2021 13:53:38 10 0
bbc
An increase from 19% to 25% is a 31.6% increase in tax.....a 6% increase in the rate.
44
04/03/2021 13:31:40 52 14
bbc
Those on legacy benefits like the disabled, mentally ill and carers never had an increase of £20 last year. They are already struggling without have to wait 6 months. They are already choosing whether to eat or use the electricity for heat and light. Lots in this group have worked previously until accidents or stress related illness forced them to stop or caring for a loved one.
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04/03/2021 13:42:43 82 10
bbc
Yes, the genuinely disabled get a hard deal because of the many false disabled and dossers who suckle on the teat of government all their lives. I'd like to see disabled benefits increased at the same time as assessments made harder and bennies for the feckless and idle reduced.
84
04/03/2021 13:44:26 11 0
bbc
Totally agree, give up my job to help care for my mother and not getting a penny. I would love an extra 20 quid or 80 percent of an average wage. How can anyone mark your comment down that cares about vulnerable people is unbelievable
147
04/03/2021 14:01:05 2 9
bbc
"Lots in this group have worked previously until accidents or stress related illness forced them to stop"

Which is always missed by people complaining about those on benefits.

Just think .. by the law of averages .. many of those being penalised on benefits would have been Tories & anti-benefits before their "mishap". Why don't I feel all that sorry for that cohort ?
149
04/03/2021 14:01:19 2 1
bbc
Some people on here won't believe you. So unfirtunate
45
04/03/2021 13:32:21 12 13
bbc
When a Tory says "let me be honest " you know a lie is on it's way
66
04/03/2021 13:38:17 4 3
bbc
Applies to any politician though dont it?
81
04/03/2021 13:43:44 3 0
bbc
As opposed to Labour being honest you mean ??? The Chancellor was always going to be damned if he did and damned if he didn’t. Under the current circumstances his options were fairly limited and he presented a reasonable Budget. Problem is, you can’t please all of the people all of the time. The biased BBC always put a negative spin on anything connected to the Tories.
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04/03/2021 13:38:33 0 0
bbc
Grow up oh blinkered one.
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04/03/2021 13:25:38 2 23
bbc
Sunak, the biggest pension thief since Brown.
46
04/03/2021 13:32:26 6 2
bbc
Can you explain your view? I don’t understand from what you’ve written so far?
47
04/03/2021 13:32:36 6 10
bbc
As usual, Tory hot air to mask bad news.
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04/03/2021 13:32:48 57 28
bbc
A fair budget criticized by the left as expected and the disgraceful headline to the article demonstrates the political stance of the BBC as we have come to expect.
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Raq
04/03/2021 13:42:42 12 49
bbc
A poor budget by any measure. Should’ve frozen personal allowances and state pensions immediately to show a bit of intent, but we leave it for the young people yet again. The criticism of the BBC is absurd; it’s been the Government’s propagandist for the last 12 months.
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04/03/2021 13:39:52 5 5
bbc
Spot on!
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04/03/2021 13:59:40 2 6
bbc
So the tory formed Institute of Fiscal Studies classed as the left.
14
04/03/2021 13:17:09 15 15
bbc
Sunak does not understand: He states (correctly) that the wealthier will contribute more from the tax increases than the low paid. But what he fails to see is that £100 or £200 per annum drop in net income to the very poor and pensioners, will be a bigger financial blow to them than (say) £5000 extra tax to the rich, which some will not hardly notice.
49
04/03/2021 13:21:28 1 4
bbc
If the very poor actually put some effort in and GOT A JOB then they could resolve their issues, no?
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Bob
04/03/2021 13:14:32 163 67
bbc
Disgraceful headline from the BBC, I'm certain the IFS did not refer to HM Chancellor as "Scrooge"!!
Sensationalism at its worst, time to break up the BBC & make the good parts pay to view.
50
04/03/2021 13:22:51 13 21
bbc
Propaganda is standard for the BBC
32
04/03/2021 13:27:03 147 58
bbc
The BBC has become the radio and TV wing of the Guardian.
51
04/03/2021 13:33:23 20 4
bbc
It has always been so, along with Channel 4.
41
04/03/2021 13:30:50 8 11
bbc
The politics of envy. Not a pretty look.
52
04/03/2021 13:33:29 2 2
bbc
Verses the politics of greed. Which is no better
53
04/03/2021 13:33:30 132 10
bbc
Really what do people expect....... life long free money ??
72
04/03/2021 13:40:45 105 33
bbc
Many on the left do indeed seem to expect that.
109
04/03/2021 13:51:34 9 9
bbc
The lefties do, yes!
238
04/03/2021 14:28:47 10 3
bbc
People expect help to be targeted where it is needed. Sunak chose to extend an unnecessary stamp duty holiday that is overheating the housing market, rather than avoiding a cliff-edge for people struggling on Universal Credit.
244
04/03/2021 14:30:20 11 3
bbc
Many on the right do indeed expect that. How much more tax is Rees-Mogg going to pay?
896
05/03/2021 13:45:36 0 0
bbc
What, like the idle rich?
29
04/03/2021 13:25:48 10 1
bbc
The so called rich that will be taxed the most earn £60,000 a year before taxes and £45,000 after (top 10% earn this or more) - losing £5,000 I think will go noticed!

True some will hardly notice but that will probably be the 1% of people who take home over £100,000 a year after taxes. And guess what - they are well equipped to avoid rises via the many tax relief schemes available to them.
54
04/03/2021 13:33:38 3 1
bbc
What tax relief schemes are available to a PAYE on £100K?
88
04/03/2021 13:46:39 0 2
bbc
Pensions, VCT, EIS, SEIS ..........
91
04/03/2021 13:48:48 0 1
bbc
Salary sacrifice into pension to avoid an effective Tax rate of 61% on the next £25k of earnings.
115
04/03/2021 13:53:56 0 1
bbc
EIS and VCT offer 30% relief, and Pensions 11.25% tax relief for higher earners (after you get taxed on income)

Strangely Govt's keep undermining pension relief (where the impact is more marginal for high earners) whilst leaving the alternative options that only the top 1% can easily access wide open.
55
04/03/2021 13:33:46 66 14
bbc
The loud minority will find any reason to play the victim.

It's the 85% in the middle that pay the most propionate tax. If you ask me state support should be limited and only continued through state sponsored jobs.

The economy would be completely re-shaped if we could reduce the actual spend on public services.....why pay someone to do nothing
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04/03/2021 13:58:46 10 28
bbc
Suppose the public services did nothing during the pandemic. Front line. What did you do. Amazing comment. Why bother.
Looks like Fishi Rishi is learning from his boss about the art of appealing to the public whilst lying through your teeth.

A worthy heir to the Brexit BoJo and the bonkers backbenchers.
Removed
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04/03/2021 13:37:14 3 1
bbc
And how did he lie exactly ?
106
04/03/2021 13:41:08 0 1
bbc
As expected, those with no rational argument resort to abuse.
22
04/03/2021 13:22:50 19 3
bbc
Its a quote from the person from the IFS, maybe read past the headline as these are simply designed to draw people in....and all news media does this

"but Paul Johnson of the IFS said they were set to cause more pain.

At the same time, big tax rises were "screeching U-turns", Mr Johnson said.

"Santa Sunak" was now looking more like "Scrooge Sunak", he added."
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04/03/2021 13:25:23 6 13
bbc
You believe that? Then all credibility has left the IFS.
15
04/03/2021 13:17:27 65 118
bbc
But, as throughout history, they won't remove any new tax increases once everything is paid for. e.g. Income tax was introduced in 1798 to pay for the Napoleonic Wars.

Perhaps they can take the edge of a little by using some of the money that Brexit is supposed to be saving us all?
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OwO
04/03/2021 13:34:36 29 7
bbc
Income tax may still be around, but it was only a few years ago they effectively doubled the tax free allowance. Minimum wage is also increasing year on year, unabated by this budget.

How's that for levelling up the worst off?
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04/03/2021 13:42:03 37 11
bbc
Minimum wage has increased 47 percent since 2010. Personal allowance has pretty much doubled from 6500 pounds to 12500 pounds. 3 million jobs have been created since 2010. And, yet people say tories are evil. You will never please the extreme left winger in this country.
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04/03/2021 13:58:07 14 9
bbc
Ironically it was the Lib Dems who pushed through the massive hikes in personal allowance during the coalition, but it was so popular that the Tory PR machine now likes to make out that it was all them.
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05/03/2021 10:45:02 0 0
bbc
You mean raising the minimum wage to point that people no longer claim anything from state (seen as boon - not sufficient a raise to balance short fall) n raising threshold by an amount out stripped by minimum wage rise - meaning more people will creep into paying tax. you need to do the math over a few years to see whats going on, low corp tax, high wage - personal tax take bigger than corp tax.
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OwO
04/03/2021 13:31:28 1 11
bbc
"Corporation Tax up 30% to 25%."

You think it was at minus 5 percent before? It hasn't increased by a third either, where are you getting these figures from?
59
04/03/2021 13:35:12 7 2
bbc
Now you're just embarrassing yourself. Do us a favour, don't vote, it's a wasted one.
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OwO
04/03/2021 13:43:56 0 7
bbc
Aww, is making a coherent argument too difficult for you? :')
29
04/03/2021 13:25:48 10 1
bbc
The so called rich that will be taxed the most earn £60,000 a year before taxes and £45,000 after (top 10% earn this or more) - losing £5,000 I think will go noticed!

True some will hardly notice but that will probably be the 1% of people who take home over £100,000 a year after taxes. And guess what - they are well equipped to avoid rises via the many tax relief schemes available to them.
60
04/03/2021 13:35:14 2 1
bbc
An the top earning 1% pay 25% of total tax take.
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04/03/2021 13:49:30 2 0
bbc
No they don't they pay 25% of the income tax take (which is 25% of the total UK tax income) the bottom 99% make up most of the VAT and other taxes.
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04/03/2021 13:35:59 4 8
bbc
What's the debt Tories?

https://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
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OwO
04/03/2021 13:40:05 8 5
bbc
You'd rather they didn't support people through furlough?

The entire additional cost of the pandemic was only 1/5 of Labour's additional spending plans at the last election - remember that.
62
04/03/2021 13:30:19 10 10
bbc
Vote Tory, get permanent austerity. Rich prosper, poor don’t. This is the Tory way
87
04/03/2021 13:46:07 1 2
bbc
I am all for that
124
04/03/2021 13:55:54 1 0
bbc
Tory spin will convince people as usual
180
04/03/2021 14:08:59 2 2
bbc
Vote Labour and get a North Korean economic and political experience.
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PAH
04/03/2021 13:36:56 91 24
bbc
Scrap HS2 and save billions instead of 40 mins off your journey.
69
04/03/2021 13:39:25 40 41
bbc
It will save an hour from Manchester, but more importantly free-up capacity on the existing lines for more passengers and freight.
164
04/03/2021 14:05:06 7 6
bbc
In the current climate it's a major provider of much-needed jobs.
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rob
04/03/2021 14:06:21 4 1
bbc
You can’t win labour in north the mayor of Manchester supports hs2
But I agree with you
588
04/03/2021 17:44:56 3 0
bbc
A journey that I will never make because it is nowhere near me.
837
05/03/2021 10:29:53 1 0
bbc
Can't agree more, but actually only saves 28 mins !! you will sit in a taxi longer in London than that to travel two miles to the station !!
Looks like Fishi Rishi is learning from his boss about the art of appealing to the public whilst lying through your teeth.

A worthy heir to the Brexit BoJo and the bonkers backbenchers.
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04/03/2021 13:37:14 3 1
bbc
And how did he lie exactly ?
33
04/03/2021 13:27:46 2 3
bbc
Rubbish mate, lets have it based on "PROPERTY VALUE" massive parts of this country are subsidising LONDON and enough is enough. Why should I pay double the Westminster rate when my property is possibly valued at a fraction of a London home ?????? We are being fleeced.
65
04/03/2021 13:37:26 2 1
bbc
Council tax goes to fund local services, it sounds like your profligate council (doubtless a Labour one) is not able to manage its expenditure whereas Westminster council is.

The value of a home does not reflect the cost of collecting bins, providing libraries, mowing parks etc and we should have a poll tax within each council area to be sensibly fair.
89
04/03/2021 13:46:43 1 1
bbc
Lets revalue all the homes and have a set 0.50% on the current property value?

Your Westminster pile possibly millions in value would stump up something like what should be paid? Not a capped £1,560 its immoral
45
04/03/2021 13:32:21 12 13
bbc
When a Tory says "let me be honest " you know a lie is on it's way
66
04/03/2021 13:38:17 4 3
bbc
Applies to any politician though dont it?
141
04/03/2021 14:00:09 0 0
bbc
This lot top of the pile.
67
04/03/2021 13:39:05 172 10
bbc
Too many concessions made during COVID 19 and too many people think a gravy train exists carrying a bottom less pit of money.
221
04/03/2021 14:24:41 16 46
bbc
Suppose the BoE is literally a bottomless pit of money.. hence why the government is able to spend hundreds of billions more each year than it generates in tax revenues
396
04/03/2021 15:24:49 8 2
bbc
When does a magic money tree turn into a bottomless pit?
4
04/03/2021 13:08:02 7 10
bbc
I remember David Cameron saying that cutting Corporation tax rate would actually increase the amount of tax that would be paid. Rishi Sunak has raised Corporation tax to raise more money.

One of them has been/ is lying to us.
68
04/03/2021 13:39:17 1 0
bbc
And it’s also a policy of your beloved Labour Party. Particularly the unions and Left Wingers. So what’s the problem? Or do you just like arguments.
90
04/03/2021 13:47:28 1 1
bbc
This makes no sense Neil. What policy are you referring to??? I enjoy a good debate but generally not arguments particularly.
63
PAH
04/03/2021 13:36:56 91 24
bbc
Scrap HS2 and save billions instead of 40 mins off your journey.
69
04/03/2021 13:39:25 40 41
bbc
It will save an hour from Manchester, but more importantly free-up capacity on the existing lines for more passengers and freight.
118
04/03/2021 13:54:39 11 1
bbc
Not worth the money.
437
04/03/2021 15:49:16 6 1
bbc
We've proved that many more people can WFH (not all jobs can be of course) than previously believed; if we want to be green, reducing routine passenger travel (i.e. the daily commute) is necessary so eliminate or at least shorten commutes by redistribution of work away from current hotspots (i.e. London). Hence HS2 passenger traffic demand should be lower than previously anticipated.
665
04/03/2021 19:33:05 4 0
bbc
Yeah, of course it will but you might have to take a mortgage out for a ticket though, keeps the peasants off it though.??
865
05/03/2021 11:30:02 0 0
bbc
Few people will be able to afford to travel on HS2 without the govt subsidise the thing on an ongoing basis. Over the next 30 years or so, it'll cost us hundreds of billions.

It'll be more or less obsolete by the time it's built anyway. We're building what Europe built many years ago.

What a waste.
61
04/03/2021 13:35:59 4 8
bbc
What's the debt Tories?

https://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
70
OwO
04/03/2021 13:40:05 8 5
bbc
You'd rather they didn't support people through furlough?

The entire additional cost of the pandemic was only 1/5 of Labour's additional spending plans at the last election - remember that.
131
04/03/2021 13:56:51 0 0
bbc
Rubbish. Labour plans 80 billion. Cost of pandemic?
348
04/03/2021 15:01:17 0 0
bbc
Rubbish
Tories have spent £400bn and counting due to their failures and Labour were never going to spend £2000bn
32
04/03/2021 13:27:03 147 58
bbc
The BBC has become the radio and TV wing of the Guardian.
71
04/03/2021 13:40:17 17 1
bbc
It has been for years.
53
04/03/2021 13:33:30 132 10
bbc
Really what do people expect....... life long free money ??
72
04/03/2021 13:40:45 105 33
bbc
Many on the left do indeed seem to expect that.
316
04/03/2021 14:51:03 9 7
bbc
The right take far more and contribute less.
662
04/03/2021 19:30:55 6 3
bbc
Whereas the ones on the right get it straight from their friends in government and put the profits off shore, tally ho ginger??
722
04/03/2021 21:57:34 4 2
bbc
name a Labour Govt that used Furlough ... the free money was needed because the Tories knew Covid would reveal the UK economy of low pay and job insecurity has a glass jaw ..
Then look at the PPE and track and trace Contracts and you will find free money is not concept of the left but the right. They ask tax payers to fund their Corporate mates next private profit- public finance initiative.
796
05/03/2021 08:15:45 2 0
bbc
Actually they dont, they ask for fairness in carrying the load. The average right winger wants everyone else to contribute so they can live in a nice society while they pay nothing cos its their cash and they earned it etc. Or else start screaming they will live somewhere else.....Thats fine by me.
73
04/03/2021 13:41:29 4 7
bbc
Let’s get this straight. We are borrowing from ourselves. Get the dosh & default. What they gonna do, send the bailiffs round & empty us into the sea? Billions will be made on the smoke & mirrors of capitalism. In the 1950s the US pressured the allies to write off their compensation debts from Germany agreed at the end of WWII. Under duress but with the stroke a pen, we did. It’s a joke.
97
04/03/2021 13:49:55 2 2
bbc
And at the same time the US did not write off the UK debt to the US for WW2. The UK only settled that debt in 2006.
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BD
04/03/2021 14:41:30 1 0
bbc
So, ignoring your unproductive rant, what do you suggest on your 'Let's get this straight' comment?
Easy to criticise, but frankly not that interesting tatlock unless you are able to put forward a solution ...
74
04/03/2021 13:41:38 8 12
bbc
More balanced reporting from the BBC !! When did the IFS get anything right
38
04/03/2021 13:10:13 310 29
bbc
We have just experienced 12 months of lockdown. Business closed, people unable to work and huge damage to the economy. Government furlough scheme, at huge cost, prevented widespread loss of earnings and financial difficulty. That money has to be recovered somehow.

Anyone that expected "Santa" Sunak after all of this expenditure is clueless.
75
mc
04/03/2021 13:34:08 39 85
bbc
a lot more people gaining by furlough, working from home but those key workers are now losing money
111
04/03/2021 13:51:14 44 16
bbc
point 1 - we are all key workers
point 2 - a lot of public sector workers get 'incremental' annual pay rises. These are rarely mentioned.
Point 3 - many of us in the private sector will also have to take a pay freeze or cut in the next year or so.
145
04/03/2021 14:00:55 11 17
bbc
Not necessarily correct, the people furloughed who were on the minimum wage are now under it by 20% --- I hadn't realised until it was pointed out to me recently. Doesn't make it so good huh!
226
04/03/2021 14:25:54 3 21
bbc
How can people knock comments against Key workers,they can only be dfail, OAPs
281
04/03/2021 14:42:51 17 0
bbc
Agreed, I work for one of the smaller banks and can tell you current and savings account deposits grew by over 10 percent overall.

So it would seem many people have actually saved a lot of cash in the last year.
Banks also put in a lot of measures for those whose income took a hit so many have not faced bankruptcy than would normally be the case.
616
04/03/2021 18:19:38 4 0
bbc
No, they are not losing money. Time & again I read the bleating here about closing tax loopholes to make the tax system fairer. Well Rishi has done what you wanted by making some, a small %age, of to the 43% of people who were not paying tax, pay tax. More people will now contribute & that makes the system fairer
848
05/03/2021 11:03:46 0 0
bbc
they are not loosing their money; they have been paid unlike many others, in some cases for not doing their job simply because they are state servants
874
05/03/2021 12:29:51 0 0
bbc
How ?
879
05/03/2021 12:40:10 0 0
bbc
More people gaining from furlough than not ? i doubt it, please share the source of this info...
58
OwO
04/03/2021 13:34:36 29 7
bbc
Income tax may still be around, but it was only a few years ago they effectively doubled the tax free allowance. Minimum wage is also increasing year on year, unabated by this budget.

How's that for levelling up the worst off?
76
04/03/2021 13:42:03 37 11
bbc
Minimum wage has increased 47 percent since 2010. Personal allowance has pretty much doubled from 6500 pounds to 12500 pounds. 3 million jobs have been created since 2010. And, yet people say tories are evil. You will never please the extreme left winger in this country.
150
04/03/2021 14:01:23 8 10
bbc
Not so much evil, as vacuous and casually arrogant.
292
04/03/2021 14:46:11 0 0
bbc
It was always part & parcel of the minimum wage project that it would become a certain % of the average wage. Contrary to the dire predictions of the Tories it never did lead to economic disaster.

Since 2010 we have had a problem with massive under employment & the growth in the numbers of the working poor.

The PA has been clawed back with stealth taxes; the PA of just £12500 is hardly generous!
419
04/03/2021 15:38:42 4 0
bbc
They aren't on about the workers though. They are on about those who don't want to work and are happy to vote Labour to continue avoiding work.
840
05/03/2021 10:48:12 0 0
bbc
Do some maths, min wage put many in line of tax, and more tax, lowered state aid to lowest paid, but the 2 together, meant less money for those on less money. The maths is simple when many didnt pay NI - now do, with no 10% base tax, many hit 20% - with loss of benefits too... its a simple switcharoo of tax burdens. Easy in EXCEL. unless you earn big money you plateau.
864
05/03/2021 11:28:38 0 0
bbc
"Minimum wage has increased 47 percent since 2010.

---------

As has national debt (and more) since 2009, and that's with all the austerity cuts.

Minimum wage often seems to be used as a standard wage, along with zero hours contracts.

Section 5, Fig 1

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicspending/bulletins/ukgovernmentdebtanddeficitforeurostatmaast/december2018
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Bob
04/03/2021 13:14:32 163 67
bbc
Disgraceful headline from the BBC, I'm certain the IFS did not refer to HM Chancellor as "Scrooge"!!
Sensationalism at its worst, time to break up the BBC & make the good parts pay to view.
77
04/03/2021 13:42:19 11 16
bbc
The trouble with the BBC is it loves to spend other peoples money promoting socialism.
280
04/03/2021 14:42:05 9 2
bbc
Ah yes because the head of the IFS is a dye in the wool fanatical communist....

Jesus christ you guys are dumb
48
04/03/2021 13:32:48 57 28
bbc
A fair budget criticized by the left as expected and the disgraceful headline to the article demonstrates the political stance of the BBC as we have come to expect.
78
Raq
04/03/2021 13:42:42 12 49
bbc
A poor budget by any measure. Should’ve frozen personal allowances and state pensions immediately to show a bit of intent, but we leave it for the young people yet again. The criticism of the BBC is absurd; it’s been the Government’s propagandist for the last 12 months.
148
04/03/2021 14:01:15 7 0
bbc
Errrrrrrrrrr.....personal allowances we're frozen! As far as the contribution from the 'Young' is concerned.....I won't hold my breath!
902
05/03/2021 13:52:29 0 1
bbc
Have you not seen all the anti-Brexit clickbait articles on the BBC? Do you look at a different version of the website from the rest of us?
44
04/03/2021 13:31:40 52 14
bbc
Those on legacy benefits like the disabled, mentally ill and carers never had an increase of £20 last year. They are already struggling without have to wait 6 months. They are already choosing whether to eat or use the electricity for heat and light. Lots in this group have worked previously until accidents or stress related illness forced them to stop or caring for a loved one.
79
04/03/2021 13:42:43 82 10
bbc
Yes, the genuinely disabled get a hard deal because of the many false disabled and dossers who suckle on the teat of government all their lives. I'd like to see disabled benefits increased at the same time as assessments made harder and bennies for the feckless and idle reduced.
293
04/03/2021 14:46:28 7 1
bbc
Avondale47
Cape of Good Hope
Totally agree. I know a couple who both get PIP plus one gets mobility allowance although they do not work. The whole benefits system is a shambles. If you know how to play on the points required your in.
341
Pip
04/03/2021 14:59:29 0 0
bbc
There We Are Then.........?
615
04/03/2021 18:19:33 4 1
bbc
You must live near me as that is all I see. There is even advice on how to take housing benefit and then not pay the landlord quoting some rules or another, evicted no, backside wiped yes. What happened to pride?
80
mc
04/03/2021 13:35:57 10 13
bbc
we are not then all in it together then, the tories mates are still coining it in, I assume suank and hancock have jobs lined up with institutes already
108
04/03/2021 13:46:59 1 3
bbc
So presumably you'll give work a miss.
127
04/03/2021 13:56:23 2 0
bbc
Sunak is looking at a job with space X
45
04/03/2021 13:32:21 12 13
bbc
When a Tory says "let me be honest " you know a lie is on it's way
81
04/03/2021 13:43:44 3 0
bbc
As opposed to Labour being honest you mean ??? The Chancellor was always going to be damned if he did and damned if he didn’t. Under the current circumstances his options were fairly limited and he presented a reasonable Budget. Problem is, you can’t please all of the people all of the time. The biased BBC always put a negative spin on anything connected to the Tories.
59
04/03/2021 13:35:12 7 2
bbc
Now you're just embarrassing yourself. Do us a favour, don't vote, it's a wasted one.
82
OwO
04/03/2021 13:43:56 0 7
bbc
Aww, is making a coherent argument too difficult for you? :')
720
04/03/2021 21:55:49 0 0
bbc
And still you don't understand basic percentages, I see Windy has now explained it for you. Back to school for you son.
2
04/03/2021 13:06:44 14 19
bbc
All this covers up the insane lack of help towards the NHS . Waiting lists for those very seriously ill but at least Phill got his quickly - how come ?
83
04/03/2021 13:44:24 4 0
bbc
He was admitted to hospital, then assessed.

Don’t wait if you have a heart issue. Speak to your doctor, call 111, or go to your A&E.

Philip did just that. He told he doctor he wasn’t feeling well. They did the rest.
163
04/03/2021 14:05:02 1 1
bbc
You'd have to be naïve to think that Phil wasn't getting any special attention.
44
04/03/2021 13:31:40 52 14
bbc
Those on legacy benefits like the disabled, mentally ill and carers never had an increase of £20 last year. They are already struggling without have to wait 6 months. They are already choosing whether to eat or use the electricity for heat and light. Lots in this group have worked previously until accidents or stress related illness forced them to stop or caring for a loved one.
84
04/03/2021 13:44:26 11 0
bbc
Totally agree, give up my job to help care for my mother and not getting a penny. I would love an extra 20 quid or 80 percent of an average wage. How can anyone mark your comment down that cares about vulnerable people is unbelievable
85
04/03/2021 13:45:47 15 15
bbc
The Headline Scrooge Sunak is grossly inappropriate and inflammatory but pointless complaining about the BBC. But it makes a good headline which is ALL the BBC seems interested in!
96
04/03/2021 13:49:42 9 3
bbc
This headline is being used by a lot of news outlets. It is Paul Johnson from the IFS making the quote. Blame him not the people reporting.
119
04/03/2021 13:54:54 1 1
bbc
Bbc news is just another tabloid in attitudes, just with their own agendas. Living on past reputation these days.
Sunak gave far too much away. Easy to kick it down the road.
193
04/03/2021 14:14:00 0 1
bbc
Scrooge was a successful businessman intent on holding down wages and living a joyless and austere life, who undergoes a redemption to become excessively profligate and generous.
It is a wholly accurate metaphor.
86
04/03/2021 13:45:56 14 12
bbc
Snap showed poll - 46% supported, 11% didn't support and 42% didn't know - can't see that on the BBC website
159
04/03/2021 14:04:02 6 4
bbc
Maybe because BBC reports the news and not every ssit on the internet.
181
04/03/2021 14:08:21 0 0
bbc
The real question is of the 42% that didn't know, what didn't they know ? Have to say firmly in the 46%.
204
BD
04/03/2021 14:19:28 0 0
bbc
We can't see it anywhere unless you provide a link to your claim ...
223
04/03/2021 14:25:17 0 0
bbc
Do you trust and believe snap polls
361
04/03/2021 15:03:45 1 0
bbc
Whether I believe polls or not was not my point, It was pointing out the lack of balance. The BBC should be reporting news not making it - they appear to want to drive a news agenda or "hold the govt to account" regardless of how stupid they look. In fairness I think Faisal gets a good balance on the whole but Naga/Charlie - well they are embarrassingly bad
62
04/03/2021 13:30:19 10 10
bbc
Vote Tory, get permanent austerity. Rich prosper, poor don’t. This is the Tory way
87
04/03/2021 13:46:07 1 2
bbc
I am all for that
54
04/03/2021 13:33:38 3 1
bbc
What tax relief schemes are available to a PAYE on £100K?
88
04/03/2021 13:46:39 0 2
bbc
Pensions, VCT, EIS, SEIS ..........
65
04/03/2021 13:37:26 2 1
bbc
Council tax goes to fund local services, it sounds like your profligate council (doubtless a Labour one) is not able to manage its expenditure whereas Westminster council is.

The value of a home does not reflect the cost of collecting bins, providing libraries, mowing parks etc and we should have a poll tax within each council area to be sensibly fair.
89
04/03/2021 13:46:43 1 1
bbc
Lets revalue all the homes and have a set 0.50% on the current property value?

Your Westminster pile possibly millions in value would stump up something like what should be paid? Not a capped £1,560 its immoral
68
04/03/2021 13:39:17 1 0
bbc
And it’s also a policy of your beloved Labour Party. Particularly the unions and Left Wingers. So what’s the problem? Or do you just like arguments.
90
04/03/2021 13:47:28 1 1
bbc
This makes no sense Neil. What policy are you referring to??? I enjoy a good debate but generally not arguments particularly.
54
04/03/2021 13:33:38 3 1
bbc
What tax relief schemes are available to a PAYE on £100K?
91
04/03/2021 13:48:48 0 1
bbc
Salary sacrifice into pension to avoid an effective Tax rate of 61% on the next £25k of earnings.
70
OwO
04/03/2021 13:40:05 8 5
bbc
You'd rather they didn't support people through furlough?

The entire additional cost of the pandemic was only 1/5 of Labour's additional spending plans at the last election - remember that.
4
04/03/2021 13:08:02 7 10
bbc
I remember David Cameron saying that cutting Corporation tax rate would actually increase the amount of tax that would be paid. Rishi Sunak has raised Corporation tax to raise more money.

One of them has been/ is lying to us.
93
04/03/2021 13:49:25 0 0
bbc
I think the correct term for an MP is called, refraining from telling the full truth.
60
04/03/2021 13:35:14 2 1
bbc
An the top earning 1% pay 25% of total tax take.
94
04/03/2021 13:49:30 2 0
bbc
No they don't they pay 25% of the income tax take (which is 25% of the total UK tax income) the bottom 99% make up most of the VAT and other taxes.
95
04/03/2021 13:49:40 10 9
bbc
Utter rubbish. The chancellor has been excessively slack and profligate.
Everyone knows this stupid obsession with not getting fuel duty up and wretched alcohol is pure popularism. When the fuel duty for example actually taxes on line delivery slightly but relatively fairly. Taxes should hit the bad behaviours like drinking a lot. Plus now all flying must be taxed heavily they made this pandemic.
357
04/03/2021 15:03:21 1 1
bbc
Bet you're fun a parties
85
04/03/2021 13:45:47 15 15
bbc
The Headline Scrooge Sunak is grossly inappropriate and inflammatory but pointless complaining about the BBC. But it makes a good headline which is ALL the BBC seems interested in!
96
04/03/2021 13:49:42 9 3
bbc
This headline is being used by a lot of news outlets. It is Paul Johnson from the IFS making the quote. Blame him not the people reporting.
73
04/03/2021 13:41:29 4 7
bbc
Let’s get this straight. We are borrowing from ourselves. Get the dosh & default. What they gonna do, send the bailiffs round & empty us into the sea? Billions will be made on the smoke & mirrors of capitalism. In the 1950s the US pressured the allies to write off their compensation debts from Germany agreed at the end of WWII. Under duress but with the stroke a pen, we did. It’s a joke.
97
04/03/2021 13:49:55 2 2
bbc
And at the same time the US did not write off the UK debt to the US for WW2. The UK only settled that debt in 2006.
140
04/03/2021 13:59:55 2 0
bbc
Of course they did - it was basic US policy throughout the 20th century to undermine Britain's financial position.
152
04/03/2021 14:02:20 2 0
bbc
More fool UK.
45
04/03/2021 13:32:21 12 13
bbc
When a Tory says "let me be honest " you know a lie is on it's way
98
04/03/2021 13:38:33 0 0
bbc
Grow up oh blinkered one.
48
04/03/2021 13:32:48 57 28
bbc
A fair budget criticized by the left as expected and the disgraceful headline to the article demonstrates the political stance of the BBC as we have come to expect.
99
04/03/2021 13:39:52 5 5
bbc
Spot on!
10
04/03/2021 13:14:13 17 24
bbc
This covers up the mess of the virus but most importantly the cost of Brexit
100
04/03/2021 13:50:21 3 0
bbc
Yes. Sunak said they had borrowed £308 billion last year, but read the small print.
National debt rose by £483 billion.