Budget 2021: Rishi Sunak insists Covid-recovery tax rises fair
04/03/2021
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Chancellor Rishi Sunak is accused of hitting the poorest hardest in his Budget plan to balance the books.
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This is all very interesting, but I would like to know Megan Markle's view so that I have a properly unbiased opinion to consider.
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I'm sure your comment will be removed before long. But she's not doing herself any favours is she?
...I know Harry, let's escape the limelight by moving to America to 'go it alone' in relative peace. We can protect our family by going on Oprah and commenting on every news article and story with our names on it. Oh, and let's take on The Firm too.. "holds hands and looks lovingly into his eyes" Removed
...I know Harry, let's escape the limelight by moving to America to 'go it alone' in relative peace. We can protect our family by going on Oprah and commenting on every news article and story with our names on it. Oh, and let's take on The Firm too.. "holds hands and looks lovingly into his eyes" Removed
If you're going to try to be clever, maybe get her name right
The reality is everyone needs to pay a little bit more tax to pay for the pandemic.
I look forward to seeing the Brexiteer “patriots” with offshore accounts helping out ??
The reality is everyone needs to pay more tax to pay for the lockdown.
Don't you mean, the less well off, just need to pay a little bit more............?
Personally the industries which have used up more of the support should be paying back a little more. I would expect tourism and bars to eventually pay a higher rate of tax.
Middle of an incredibly difficult economic time and the best you could come up with is freezing everyone's income while inflating the cost of housing through a tax payer funded scheme? Who's interests is that in exactly?
Whose interests? Elderly homeowners, who vote Tory.
They need to prioritise opening up the economy and tax income will follow.
This over cautious roadmap is killing the economy and society.
Shops, pubs and borders all need to reopen ASAP and the government need to learn to ignore the inevitable bleating about excess deaths from the keyboard warriors.
This over cautious roadmap is killing the economy and society.
Shops, pubs and borders all need to reopen ASAP and the government need to learn to ignore the inevitable bleating about excess deaths from the keyboard warriors.
So what should he have done? increase all pay, decrease all taxes and then how do we pay off the billions that have been spent to allow people to ride out this pandemic, so many stupid comments.
I agree but it's not freezing our income, it's reducing it.
The country needs to stop its obsession with house price INFLATION.
We need to start treating houses as a necessary living cost. Not as an ever increasing investment asset.
We need to start treating houses as a necessary living cost. Not as an ever increasing investment asset.
Sunak is out of his depth and clueless. The nation has been conned (by Murdoch and the Fraser dynasties) into voting the most incompetent and fraudulent government into power we have ever seen in the U.K.
I’d be ashamed of myself if I had anything to do with this lot being in power to asset strip and ransack our U.K.
I’d be ashamed of myself if I had anything to do with this lot being in power to asset strip and ransack our U.K.
Well the pension tax grab certainly isn't fair, there are better ways to make pensions more equitable and raise more tax than limiting the LTA for 5 years. By then the LTA will yield a pension worth absolutely nowt!
The LTA impacts only a very small % of the population, mainly execs and high paid public sector workers who still have final salary pensions. Very few people can expect a £1m pension pot.
Their pensions will be much higher than the pension of someone who earns the same amount but has a DC plan.
So limiting the tax breaks for these people is equitable and fair.
Their pensions will be much higher than the pension of someone who earns the same amount but has a DC plan.
So limiting the tax breaks for these people is equitable and fair.
Shift poorest into the lowest tax band by increasing wages ...
I'd say Sunak is doing a Johnson ... being conservative with the Truth.
That's why they are conservative liars I suppose?
I'd say Sunak is doing a Johnson ... being conservative with the Truth.
That's why they are conservative liars I suppose?
Freezing the personal allowance and other PAYE bands for five years means that, over time, more people will pay more tax on pounds that are worth less due to inflation.
Rather than tax wealth the Chancellor has stuck to taxing earnings.
Rather than tax wealth the Chancellor has stuck to taxing earnings.
You have never ran a business then?
As opposed to the leftie liars, who post the same rubbish on every discussion.
“The poor and middle class are paying taxes, the rich are paying accountants, and the wealthy are paying politicians” – Mohamad Safa, UN.
Until we find a way to curb offshore tax avoidance and stop those lobbying politicians for wealthy interests, this debt isn’t being paid off fairly.
Until we find a way to curb offshore tax avoidance and stop those lobbying politicians for wealthy interests, this debt isn’t being paid off fairly.
And now with little england unilaterally breaking the NI protocol there will be even more recession. The uk is a pariah state
The problem is by freezing tax thresholds and increasing corporation tax over the EU rate (21.1%) it will drive more individuals and businesses to declare income aboroad.
What level of income do you class as rich? The top 33%? Then 33% middle class and 33% poor. That would seem fair.
They managed to find a way of continuing offshore tax avoidance. It’s called Brexit. That’s what it was mainly about for the proponents of it. They just needed to con the people - and they did. Got to hand it to them, they did a good job of it: but as for the middle/working classes - we all will suffer.
I always wonder why somebody would down vote the truth
The sad irony is that most of the people that would disagree with you, including on this post, will be poor.
It's an odd thing. They're brainwashed and naive.
It's an odd thing. They're brainwashed and naive.
Why is it 'fair' that those with more (that have presumably earned it, not inherited or lotto)pay more and those with less pay less - surely thats the opposite of fair?
If it was fair everyone would pay an equal proportion surely.
But most dont want 'fair' they want what the harder workers/wealthier have got, but without the work - its called envy.
If it was fair everyone would pay an equal proportion surely.
But most dont want 'fair' they want what the harder workers/wealthier have got, but without the work - its called envy.
"Until we find a way to curb offshore tax avoidance and stop those lobbying politicians for wealthy interests, this debt isn’t being paid off fairly."
I've said it before and I'll say it again: as long as the British public vote in right wing politicians (and this includes Starmer and Blair, who are both right of centre), we will never see this happen.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: as long as the British public vote in right wing politicians (and this includes Starmer and Blair, who are both right of centre), we will never see this happen.
We did, but escaping tax clampdowns was the biggest driver for Brexit, closely followed by employers want to escape EU employment legislation protecting workers’ rights. It’s time we little people stopped reading The Sun, Mail and Express and thought about the bumf rhetoric fired at us by the media. The thing is that people need someone else to blame for their own failures and love to hate
Of course it's grossly unfair. But it's naive to think it can change. The richest people in the world hold the power, so fairness doesn't even come in to the equation. It's a reality of life.
I know this will get lots of down votes, but it's too easy to just focus on populist and simplistic rhetoric to feel better by sticking it to 'the man'.
There is unfairness in everything we see in life no doubt, but you this £350bn+ worth of borrowing the economy has to be paid back, right?
Recovering £8bn in extra income tax doesn't get close - corporate revenues are also going to be paying.
There is unfairness in everything we see in life no doubt, but you this £350bn+ worth of borrowing the economy has to be paid back, right?
Recovering £8bn in extra income tax doesn't get close - corporate revenues are also going to be paying.
Yet the top 10% of taxpayers already pay 90% of the income tax - its almost like you are trying to prove something by repeating it instead of understanding it. The poor are paying no tax in the UK, obviously, the middle class dont earn much so while they pay it makes little difference and the rich are already paying the vast majority... wake up.
The greatest burden will be upon the larger companies through corporation tax.
Ordinary folks have benefited tremendously through furlough, universal credit increases etc.
It’s only right we have to pay back, the relatively modest increases in our tax are reasonable in my view.
The wealthy are acting within the law, yes the rules need modification and that’s not easy.
Ordinary folks have benefited tremendously through furlough, universal credit increases etc.
It’s only right we have to pay back, the relatively modest increases in our tax are reasonable in my view.
The wealthy are acting within the law, yes the rules need modification and that’s not easy.
So true. But so many here will be Tory voters who's party are farming out public funds by the billion to their mates and benfitting from tax avoidance schemes. We had a chance to vote for a party that had tax avoidance and government outsourcing on its manifesto. But this was dismissed as communist witchcraft. Unfortunately, you reap what you sow
which Brexiteer patriots with offshore accounts are those ?
A billion £'s for support of towns, but really don't bother looking for the money if your town isn't part of the constituency of a Tory MP as almost all of it has been directed to Tory areas.
So yet more cronyism
So yet more cronyism
This is proven to be a lie by the actual article you are commenting on. Jesus wept.
So that’s most of the country then, given the results of the last GE......
Labour controlled boroughs are unlikely to have sufficient understanding of business to make the best use of regeneration funds
Did you get beyond the title?
Most towns are Tory constituencies now because the other parties are so rubbish!
Another lie often posted by BBC lefties.
Maybe, just maybe, you will actualy check something before you post it. Then again where is the fun in that when you can just make it up?
TBF It is becoming increasingly hard to find an area that is Labour dominated. I wonder why that is?
Since the last election, pretty much all of England is Tory anyway. Getting harder to find a Labour town to give money to.
Fair if you’re as wealthy as the Chancellor, the rest of the cabinet and Tory MPs
Although it has been reported that the Prime Minister is struggling to manage on his £150k salary so he won’t welcome the future income tax rises
Although it has been reported that the Prime Minister is struggling to manage on his £150k salary so he won’t welcome the future income tax rises
he thinks it's fair for his very rich wife to claim furlough for her company
I'm lucky to have been employed all through the pandemic and have received no financial support from the government, the only fair way to do it is for all those people and companies who have received support to pay it back and leave me alone.
Yes, we should have voted for Corbyn as PM, and McDonnell to run the economy. We would have been in the Land of the Magic Money Tree.
He's a tory: nothing strange about it at all.
It comes from being the son of a billionaire - he doesn't have a clue
I don't understand how some people think the chancellor should be spending more and offer further tax breaks or schemes. We can't kick the can down the road forever (and it would get bigger ) and at some point we need to start repaying some of the massive debt.
I for one have been quite impressed with Sunak's innovative approaches to the pandemic and will follow his political career closely.
I for one have been quite impressed with Sunak's innovative approaches to the pandemic and will follow his political career closely.
Freezing tax thresholds is not innovative - it's what chancellors have done for years when they wanted more income tax without increasing rates. Doing that for the best off (no one's starving if they earn 50K pa) is reasonable, but the tax free allowance represents (if it represents anything) what people need to live. That's not going to be frozen, unless he has a plan to freeze inflation!
Every time he says 'coronavirus did a lot of damage to the economy', I replace coronavirus with 'our political choices'.
The governments overreaction to coronavirus has caused the damage.
That is because you are not in the slightest bit sensible. I am sure your St Jeremy would have done better, yeah? He'd probably have invited the PLO over to run things!
He forgot to add "Additionally Brexit has done a lot of damage to our economy and will continue to do massive economic damage for many years to come"
Precisely. Covid did no damage at all, it was the government's grossly disproportionate response that caused all the damage and it's always the little man that pays for the government's games
Every time Labour says we should spend more money on everything, I think 'money which will be provided free by the magic money tree'.
Replace "coronavirus did" with "brexit will do" and you get the same result
Funny how Rishi didn't mention the impact of brexit once in his speech yesterday...
Funny how Rishi didn't mention the impact of brexit once in his speech yesterday...
Are you suggesting that the government shouldn't have introduced furlough or the increase in the universal credit?
Such left wing maturity amazed he didn't approach you before stating what to a lot of us is obvious but don't let that ruin your post
Quite right. It was our choice to close the economy. We did not have to.
What's about to do a lot of damage to the Economy is Cladding and Fire Safety issues. That's what needs resolving, for ALL Leaseholders not just those who own in buildings over 18m. Loans are NOT acceptable.
Before anyone kicks off - NOBODY (except, ironically, the Govt) wants Taxpayers to pay. The request is for the Govt to front up the money then recoup it from Developers through a proper levy.
Before anyone kicks off - NOBODY (except, ironically, the Govt) wants Taxpayers to pay. The request is for the Govt to front up the money then recoup it from Developers through a proper levy.
UK govt Corona virus restrictions have done the damage but BBC newsreaders still attribute it to "The Pandemic"
Well, Keir Starmers political choices remember. He wanted the lockdown and closures, and BoJo let the opposition run the show. Now he's complaining about the economic damage... You couldn't make it up!
I agree. Prof Ferguson model that was used in March last year said no lockdown restrictions would lead to 250,000 deaths so we went into lockdowns. So far we appear to have saved around around 125,000 people. So far this has cost us £407B. So in simple terms you just have to do the math:
407,000,000,000 /125,000=? Cost per life saved.
We’re lockdowns the only way of dealing with this pandemic.
407,000,000,000 /125,000=? Cost per life saved.
We’re lockdowns the only way of dealing with this pandemic.
The Cons are in charge, it's inevitable that the poorer off take the tax burden.
The Con's mates have made loads of money out of Covid with useless PPE etc, they won't be effected.
The Con's mates have made loads of money out of Covid with useless PPE etc, they won't be effected.
The poorer off don’t take the burden. Do your research first. It’s not difficult to look it up. Oh and don’t tell lies either.
Another piece of left wing propaganda. Lots of it on the BBC, repeated on every discussion.
Sunak is out of his depth and clueless. The nation has been conned (by Murdoch and the Fraser dynasties) into voting the most incompetent and fraudulent government into power we have ever seen in the U.K.
I’d be ashamed of myself if I had anything to do with this lot being in power to asset strip and ransack our U.K.
I’d be ashamed of myself if I had anything to do with this lot being in power to asset strip and ransack our U.K.
1. Ensure that ministers cannot flout long held procurement laws to give £millions of our cash to dodgy mates.
2. Not have compounded economic woes with the pandemic by implementing a half baked Brexit deal.
3. Tackle the siphoning off of money to offshore tax havens for tax avoidance.
Shall I go on? Exactly?
2. Not have compounded economic woes with the pandemic by implementing a half baked Brexit deal.
3. Tackle the siphoning off of money to offshore tax havens for tax avoidance.
Shall I go on? Exactly?
Higher income tax rates for all, community projects for those not in employment and new taxes for online only retailers & social media companies.
Subsidise health centres & synthetic fuel development to boost our industries
Subsidise health centres & synthetic fuel development to boost our industries
It goes some of the way, but there’ll need to be more. A sales tax, rather than other business taxes would be a start.
This looks dodgy as it stands....if interest rates go up and as Brexit unfolds ....well how do they put it......the UK is stuffed....
Get used to more austerity, we still have 40 years to wander in the wilderness before we reach the mispromised land.
The naive were led by the unscrupulous into the unknown, without the benefit of a map or (moral) compass.
.... what we get when we reach our destination is, as yet, unknown.
.... what we get when we reach our destination is, as yet, unknown.
Another embittered Remoaner.
The Politicians spent it, ley the Politicians Pay for it!!
Nothing against higher taxation, but I do have a problem with the govt's failure to close tax loopholes.
Tax online retailers and working from home. Need to prioritise real industries and employment.
That is because you have no understanding of international economics.
No government in last 30 has tried to close tax loopholes ie all party's have rich friends
Which loopholes are you referring to? Do you know or is it just a buzzword?
They're called creative accountants.
Graham Norton once said " we all do pretty well ( show biz types) so lets just pay our taxes and get on with it"
That bloke has got more class than some of the others ( and we know who they are) who will do anything creatively to not pay their fair dues.
Well done Norton
Graham Norton once said " we all do pretty well ( show biz types) so lets just pay our taxes and get on with it"
That bloke has got more class than some of the others ( and we know who they are) who will do anything creatively to not pay their fair dues.
Well done Norton
Most of the Govt are probably making too much money from exploiting the loopholes to care about closing them, unfortunately. I'm utterly appalled by how many thoroughly selfish people there are, who care only about increasing their own personal wealth regardless of the impact upon other people and the environment.
"Once we are free of the EU we can build a vibrant, low tax economy".
It would indeed have been brave to reduce VAT to 15% and generally lower taxes to stimulate the economy and increase the tax take due to the increase in consumer spending and business investment. Instead we got 'same old, same old', with the lower and middle income groups paying for the pandemic in the traditional way.
It would indeed have been brave to reduce VAT to 15% and generally lower taxes to stimulate the economy and increase the tax take due to the increase in consumer spending and business investment. Instead we got 'same old, same old', with the lower and middle income groups paying for the pandemic in the traditional way.
No, it would have been incredibly naive to "reduce VAT to 15%" As it would not have led to stimulation of the economy and increased the tax take sufficiently to have offset the loss of Tax revenue
People would have just kept prices the same, made an extra 5% for themselves and less for the treasury. Look at stamp duty holiday, prices just went up by the amount saved. Buyers just have more debt.
"lower and middle income groups paying for the pandemic in the traditional way" No, no, no - the top 10% of earners pay 90% of the tax in the UK so middle earners are essentially freeloading off the rich. Its such a pitty you have such a victim complex and refuse to look at the actual stats of who contributes what to this fine country.
According to many on here, 'the poor' can't afford to buy luxury goods. They can only spend money on food and bills etc.
So a VAT cut would just penalise 'the poor'.
So a VAT cut would just penalise 'the poor'.
It appears that there are many people on here adamantly against the wealthiest paying more tax. One can only assume one of two things. Either they are very wealthy and too greedy to pay a bit more or they are not wealthy but think defending the wealthy will benefit them. Either way, they have questionable morals.
Remember the old tory chestnut (or should that be lie?) that lower taxes stimulate economic growth?
We all knew this pandemic was going to cost us heavily yet people are surprised at tax rises. Where else is the government going to get funds to pay it back?
The trouble is that the government keeps presenting all the financial support as if it was "free money given on behalf of the Conservative Party". It's hardly surprising that the average person will forget that this is actually just a loan that the government have taken out on our behalf, which we will all have to pay back.
Self employed 30+ years employed people, paid taxes - and not had 1p from Sunak from day 1, but expected to help pay back 'because we are all in it together' LOL
Yes, that is part of belonging, of looking after others, of helping the worse off.
Yes we are all in this together. I've been very fortunate to hold my job through this pandemic but what about the poor people who have lost everything? Ask them to pay it back?
We all knew from day one that this was going to be tough. Stop being so self centred.
We all knew from day one that this was going to be tough. Stop being so self centred.
(sarcasm) Of course there is help for self-employed. They can go and claim unemployment benefits.
If you are in a major car accident tomorrow or get diagnosed with Cancer the treatment and people involved will far outweigh the amount you personally put into the economy. Thats how it works. If I don't ever the Fire brigade do I get a discount on my next tax bill ? Yes there are winners and losers but not for the vast majority of the population.
Agree.
What is selfish about contributing into a ring fenced, fully accountable, Personallised Health, Pension, Social Welfare, investment pot that is individually designed to meet that individual persons requirements (& those if their dependants if necessary), on demand if & when they need it most?
The existing broken, inefficient system needs a radical overhaul
& quickly.
What is selfish about contributing into a ring fenced, fully accountable, Personallised Health, Pension, Social Welfare, investment pot that is individually designed to meet that individual persons requirements (& those if their dependants if necessary), on demand if & when they need it most?
The existing broken, inefficient system needs a radical overhaul
& quickly.
That's two of us, folded my limited company of 25 years, end of last year. No help, no nothing, but well sure I'll be expected to contribute to the cause, as you say, all in it together. Methinks there be some more in it than others, or is that being cynical...........?
If they had paid declared and paid INCOME tax, they would have been entitled to money from the government. Why is that part always conveniently omitted?
Highest taxes for over 50 years.
Conservatives - the party of HIGH taxation.
Conservatives - the party of HIGH taxation.
And high debt. Don’t forget the national debt has risen every year since the Tories gained power in 2010!
“Austerity” was a massive con trick!
“Austerity” was a massive con trick!
And iternational isolation
The Uk is unilaterally breaking the NI protocol. Brexit is a growing fiasco
The Uk is unilaterally breaking the NI protocol. Brexit is a growing fiasco
And very high debt. Tories are now responsible for 78% of all our debt.
They have a reason for the high tax. Then again Labour had a reason for the high borrowing when all the banks went belly up and it lost them the election and it's brought up any time anyone mentions Labour, so my sympathy is not exactly soaring.
Voters are fickle and stop listening to an explanation after ten seconds. Especially the Three Word Slogan! crowd.
Voters are fickle and stop listening to an explanation after ten seconds. Especially the Three Word Slogan! crowd.
What do you think would have happened if Corbyn had been in charge? Low taxes?
Has the incompetent fool announced “Eat out to help out 2” yet?
They must do eat out to help out again - and I'm sure they will.
I'm sure there will be the same minority who selfishly stay at home but most of us will take a small risk to our health for the benefit of the livelihoods of others.
I'm sure there will be the same minority who selfishly stay at home but most of us will take a small risk to our health for the benefit of the livelihoods of others.
no but apparently giving the public vouchers to go shopping ??
If only we had Corbyn as PM and McDonnell asChancellor, what a great government that would have been.
How dare the government try to help the hospitality sector, shame on them for responding to the scientific advice they were given at the time.
No, but the hospitality sector have continually been fog horning cries for more tax payer support, which of course you will all want some other rich bloke to pay for.
I went out with family for a few meals for that scheme, would doub't if anybody caught covid, all tables well spaced out, no going to bar etc, now the time to watch out for will be when uni goes back, gotta have freshers week in middle of pandemic, it tradition!!!
No but he'll put money into levelling up Richmond of all places, far more worthy towns and cities in the UK should be getting the money instead.
When people have accumulated quite a few million...why do they want more?
Different world to the one most of us live in methinks
Different world to the one most of us live in methinks
Boss of Bet 365, Denise Coates, paid herself £365 million last year. £1 million a day. Having been paid £900 million in the previous four years. Twice as much as all her 5,500 staff put together.
Snouts in troughs
Snouts in troughs
Jenryk's constituency & his junior ministers constituency (approved each others) each got £25 million of the last lot, despite being way down the deserving list. 'Honest Bob' does it again!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-56271275
Proves that the lie is the one you are pushing. & yes he probably would have done in the face of the lies, dishonesty, selfishness and greed that the Tories represent.
Proves that the lie is the one you are pushing. & yes he probably would have done in the face of the lies, dishonesty, selfishness and greed that the Tories represent.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/03/sunaks-1bn-of-town-deals-will-nearly-all-go-to-tory-constituencies
Another link that provides the proof that it is J who is 'lying'
Another link that provides the proof that it is J who is 'lying'
You are suggesting the usual pattern will not be repeated. Sure . . .
Actually it isn't a lie. The vast majority has gone to places in tory constituencies.
Boris looked very agitated and grouchy as he sat slumped in the corner yesterday?
....and get a haircut. He is a dreadful representation of the UK, dishevelled.
He's working out how to get the taxpayer to stump up for his 100k sofa.
And your point is?
It's all part of the 'daft clown' act he's cultivated. The thickos love it.
'Fair' as defined by the government that the rest of the world understands can't be trusted...
...the same government that labels the worlds worst covid death toll as 'world-beating' ?????
...the same government that labels the worlds worst covid death toll as 'world-beating' ?????
Sunak is out of his depth and clueless. The nation has been conned (by Murdoch and the Fraser dynasties) into voting the most incompetent and fraudulent government into power we have ever seen in the U.K.
I’d be ashamed of myself if I had anything to do with this lot being in power to asset strip and ransack our U.K.
I’d be ashamed of myself if I had anything to do with this lot being in power to asset strip and ransack our U.K.
Who said I voted Labour?
I think you'll find that a lot more Brexiteers got arrested for violence & threats than Remainers. Check the information. Perhaps something to do with Remainers being more intelligent, better careers, able to mount positive arguments about tangible benefits etc rather than 'sovereignty' etc
This budget does nothing to bring investment, industry into this country at a time when it is most needed. It will put investors and cause them to look around the world for cheaper alternatives. totally wrong approach
Exactly and has some have picked up on, this goes totally against what the Tories have preached for decades, lower corporation tax attracts more business and in turn a higher tax take. Either they have been misleading us to line their pockets or they have got this totally wrong.
Race to the bottom Libertarian claptrap.
130% tax relief on manufacturing investment? Yeah, that isn't doing anything for productive businesses is it?
Sunak does not understand: He states (correctly) that the wealthier will contribute more from the tax increases than the low paid. But what he fails to see is that £100 or £200 per annum drop in net income to the very poor and pensioners, will be a bigger financial blow to them than (say) £5000 extra tax to the rich, which some will not hardly notice.
I won't notice a £200 drop in net income, but I'd really feel a £5000 drop. Does that make me poor or rich. Actually, I'm in the middle, like most of the population.
P.S Lewis Hamilton won't notice it cos I don't think he pays UK tax any more.
P.S Lewis Hamilton won't notice it cos I don't think he pays UK tax any more.
Myopic tories will never ‘see’ that which deconstructs their myths
It's the old red herring that the Tories and their followers love to use though.
Based on wealth the top 10% pay around 1% tax, not the headline amount of income tax paid. Most wealth has been inherited for aeons. Nearly all that wealth was produced by the masses.
The rich only utilise a tiny fraction of that wealth they have kept. Most of it is idle & hidden.
It is iniquitous & inefficient!!
Based on wealth the top 10% pay around 1% tax, not the headline amount of income tax paid. Most wealth has been inherited for aeons. Nearly all that wealth was produced by the masses.
The rich only utilise a tiny fraction of that wealth they have kept. Most of it is idle & hidden.
It is iniquitous & inefficient!!
What rubbish you write.For instance the allowance this year is going up £70 that equates to £14 less tax.Over the last ten years the allowances have gone up a great deal.The way outlined yesterday is a painless way of raising income.
I hate to say this but Conservative policy regarding the poor has hardly changed from 1979
The government do not see freezing benefits or personal allowance as taxation on the poor, yet that is exactly what it is, unless of course we have no increases in the things that the poor have to pay for, food, heating, electric, council tax (which is going up 5%) taking food from babies etc, austerity back
The government do not see freezing benefits or personal allowance as taxation on the poor, yet that is exactly what it is, unless of course we have no increases in the things that the poor have to pay for, food, heating, electric, council tax (which is going up 5%) taking food from babies etc, austerity back
Not sure why you bring pensioners into it. Either they are very poor (which you already mentioned) or they aren't (in which case they are no different to anyone else, in this context).
Sunak does not understand, he has thousands of permanent financial brains in his armoury yet you understand better than him! Hmmm
The very poor are not going to lose £100 or £200 - you are just making that up.
The ''very poor'' are those on benefits and those well below the tax trhesholds.
They will see no change.
There is a big difference between poor and low income.
The ''very poor'' are those on benefits and those well below the tax trhesholds.
They will see no change.
There is a big difference between poor and low income.
To fix the problem you outline we should tax people based on a percentage rather than a fixed ammount, wait, what - we already do that. Its quite sad that you label everyone who earns more than you as super rich, most of them are not super anything.
There’s a lot he hasn’t got a clue!
Strong finances ha, start with
.8 trillion debt and double it!
Covid support and recovery £M352billion from £355 billion more borrowed lunacy IMO.
But same as the past half century the country is run by chancers
Strong finances ha, start with
.8 trillion debt and double it!
Covid support and recovery £M352billion from £355 billion more borrowed lunacy IMO.
But same as the past half century the country is run by chancers
Where did you get the 5000 from? Fake news.
I guess you’d be happy for the “rich” to move their businesses abroad and lay off the “poor”?
Who said pensioners, me being one, will lose out?
I guess you’d be happy for the “rich” to move their businesses abroad and lay off the “poor”?
Who said pensioners, me being one, will lose out?
£50,000 isn't low paid. They can deal with £100 extra tax :)
Thats socialism and the majority of the UK dont like the sound of it. Poor people who pay little tax and take benefits are the problem here. The medium rich paying a few 10's of thousands a year in tax are propping the poor up.....and the poor are still not happy about it. Bleed the rich some more they say. NO, contribute more yourself and stop taking and then we'd all be fine.
He doesn't fail to see he's a very bright boy who joined an elite group at Harvard don't give the credence of being thick he most certainly isn't
Why will the wealthy pay that much more? It's only the tax free allowance and 40% rate that are being frozen, so if I earn £200k a year, fiddle my SA return or move money in other ways to show the requisite drop, I do not actually pay any more. It's the lower and middle incomes on PAYE who will suffer the most.
I'm sure your comment will be removed before long. But she's not doing herself any favours is she?
...I know Harry, let's escape the limelight by moving to America to 'go it alone' in relative peace. We can protect our family by going on Oprah and commenting on every news article and story with our names on it. Oh, and let's take on The Firm too.. "holds hands and looks lovingly into his eyes" Removed
...I know Harry, let's escape the limelight by moving to America to 'go it alone' in relative peace. We can protect our family by going on Oprah and commenting on every news article and story with our names on it. Oh, and let's take on The Firm too.. "holds hands and looks lovingly into his eyes" Removed
Self employed 30+ years employed people, paid taxes - and not had 1p from Sunak from day 1, but expected to help pay back 'because we are all in it together' LOL
Based on your logic the 6 million 'New Covid lockdown' savers - should all contribute part of their savings to the likes of me - certainly worse off! who has had to spend what he's got to survive for the last 12 months!
Because of the huge debt they have racked up, the government needs to rake in more tax revenue.
One measure Sunak is using, is raising the rate of Corporation Tax.
But for the past 40 years, Conservatives have told us raising CT rates actually decreases the tax revenue collected.
So, is Sunak introducing a self defeating policy? Or have the Tories been telling us a big lie for 40 years?
One measure Sunak is using, is raising the rate of Corporation Tax.
But for the past 40 years, Conservatives have told us raising CT rates actually decreases the tax revenue collected.
So, is Sunak introducing a self defeating policy? Or have the Tories been telling us a big lie for 40 years?
It's only an increase on those making over £50k profit, not across the board.
The 40 year lies were told by all those ministers who sad that we had no alternative to the EU.
''But for the past 40 years, Conservatives have told us raising CT rates actually
decreases the tax revenue collected.''
No they haven't
decreases the tax revenue collected.''
No they haven't
Corporations just pass the extra cost on to the customer, which means prices are going to go up.
So Sunak has just told the lowest earners they'll be paying an extra £550 a year out of their £18k a year salaries, and now he's telling them they'll be paying more for everything they buy.
Crime, drug use and poverty all set to skyrocket...
So Sunak has just told the lowest earners they'll be paying an extra £550 a year out of their £18k a year salaries, and now he's telling them they'll be paying more for everything they buy.
Crime, drug use and poverty all set to skyrocket...
Both effects are real, what matters is which one wins. Raising CT would have been much more risky before brexit as companies would have just relocated to the EU and continued to sell into the UK - we have left the EU so relocating means paying additional duties, staying means paying more tax.
Careful. He is raising CT in a couple of years time. This gives business time to declare a couple of years of post brexit / covid losses then when the rate has apparently risen they can offset those losses in future years and still pay little or no CT. The ordinary people though will be feeling the effect of NI freezes.
It's always the ordinary people who pay under a tory government.
It's always the ordinary people who pay under a tory government.
This is a disaster of a budget for anyone in work.
- Tax thresholds are frozen until 2026
- Corporation tax set to rise by 30% to 25% in 2023
- No increases in saving limits or pension life time allowance
So by 2026 everyone in a job will be much worse off since they will pay more income tax and everything in the shops will be more expensive due to the Corporation tax rise.
- Tax thresholds are frozen until 2026
- Corporation tax set to rise by 30% to 25% in 2023
- No increases in saving limits or pension life time allowance
So by 2026 everyone in a job will be much worse off since they will pay more income tax and everything in the shops will be more expensive due to the Corporation tax rise.
And Brexshit has hardly had time to kick in yet, except for the fishermen, they were first under the bus...........?
Prices always go down when there’s a corporation tax cut......
The increase in CT will hit pensioners too. Dividends (which fund the pension funds) are paid out of post-tax profits.
It's a big risk for a party that counts pensioners amongst it's core supporters. He's hoping they won't notice by making it one step removed from pensions - and your comment suggests it's worked.
It's a big risk for a party that counts pensioners amongst it's core supporters. He's hoping they won't notice by making it one step removed from pensions - and your comment suggests it's worked.
VAT is a personal tax that you pay. It is not a business tax. Here's how VAT works :-
You pay 120. The company keeps 100 & just passes the 20 VAT over to the taxman on your behalf. It's called a VAT Return.
The suggestion of a "Sales Tax" is to tax the company's 100 rather than them paying corporation tax on profits & business rates. It has nothing to do with VAT.
You pay 120. The company keeps 100 & just passes the 20 VAT over to the taxman on your behalf. It's called a VAT Return.
The suggestion of a "Sales Tax" is to tax the company's 100 rather than them paying corporation tax on profits & business rates. It has nothing to do with VAT.
We need a new model but the Chancellor is still trying to restore the old one.
We all know the problems, the inequalities, the global companies who don't pay ... FIX IT!
We all know the problems, the inequalities, the global companies who don't pay ... FIX IT!
Clue is in the word 'global'. These companies are now bigger than many countries. It is not possible to squeeze much tax out of them. Or would you prefer that the internet and the freedoms and economies it offers not exist?
I don't understand how some people think the chancellor should be spending more and offer further tax breaks or schemes. We can't kick the can down the road forever (and it would get bigger ) and at some point we need to start repaying some of the massive debt.
I for one have been quite impressed with Sunak's innovative approaches to the pandemic and will follow his political career closely.
I for one have been quite impressed with Sunak's innovative approaches to the pandemic and will follow his political career closely.
Freezing tax thresholds is not innovative - it's what chancellors have done for years when they wanted more income tax without increasing rates. Doing that for the best off (no one's starving if they earn 50K pa) is reasonable, but the tax free allowance represents (if it represents anything) what people need to live. That's not going to be frozen, unless he has a plan to freeze inflation!
Yup and if a lot of those who think that would be a good idea may be disappointed if they look what happened in two recent IMF bailouts in other countries.
The IMF bailout was only £2 billion (about £15 billion in todays money) and was repaid within 15 months.
Sunak is on the line for £700 billion already.
Sunak is on the line for £700 billion already.
You must be very old to dredge that up. OK then what about the corn laws, disgraceful.
...and giving away all our gold reserves !
Maggie took the kiddies milk ?
Ah yes. That was when we were the poor man of Europe. That was before we'd signed up to the full EU project which raised our prosperity and dragged us up from centuries of tugging our forelocks for a moldy crust of bread and a sip of brackish water.
Ah, those were the days.
Those were the days when the wealthy had blue passports and the poor had rickets and ringworm.
Those were the days ...
Ah, those were the days.
Those were the days when the wealthy had blue passports and the poor had rickets and ringworm.
Those were the days ...
The debt has risen because we are still in a deficit. The deficit however has decreased nearly every year since 2010.
Sunak is a Tory, so of course he is bound to look after the rich and brush the poor under the carpet. Its what Tories do. This is what the majority of the electorate voted for in December 2019, so this is what we get. It should be of no surprise to anyone.
"This is what the majority of the electorate voted for in December 2019"
No we by-our-Lady did not! 56% of us who voted, did not vote Tory. Only 44% did.
Unfortunately, as Britain is not a democracy...
No we by-our-Lady did not! 56% of us who voted, did not vote Tory. Only 44% did.
Unfortunately, as Britain is not a democracy...
After the 2008 financial crisis, Dave and George came to power telling us “we’re all in this together”. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
They also claimed the deficit and debt would be cleared like by 2013, 2015, 2017, way before the pandemic. If only they had delivered, We would have been in a far better position to deal with the current mess, Have to keep reminding myself this is the party of fiscal responsibility.
The tax rises were inevitable. But we're all in this together so the broadest shoulders should bear the biggest burden. Clobber the big tech and financial corporations taking the piss with tax avoidence and get these loopholes closed.
The most affluent benefit from the ability to pay others to advise them where (internationally) to put their wealth to avoid the most tax.
Those of us on PAYE aren't able to do so.
Those of us on PAYE aren't able to do so.
"the broadest shoulders should bear the biggest burden" - they already do, tax is based on a percentage, it scales with income, already, obviously. The top 10% of taxpayers already pay 90% of income tax in the UK, so what you suggest is what we have now. To blindly say that the rich should allways pay more is absurd, you clearly dont know what we need or how much they pay, yet you say pay more?
Notice they avoid talking about loopholes as much as possible. No doubt they're getting kickbacks from Google and Amazon.
Excellent idea. Unfortunately as fast as you close one loophole the clever accountants will just find another.
The paying of tax should be a moral duty not an optional extra. This applies to us all from the highest earners to those not declaring their cash earnings. After all we all benefit from the NHS etc.
The paying of tax should be a moral duty not an optional extra. This applies to us all from the highest earners to those not declaring their cash earnings. After all we all benefit from the NHS etc.
Maybe not the finance sector, they're already being clobbered by Brexit.
But big tech, and on-line retail particularly, yes. I'm all for that. At the moment they pay next to nothing.
But big tech, and on-line retail particularly, yes. I'm all for that. At the moment they pay next to nothing.
all in this together - utter rubbish, I've not taken a penny, saved all my life, why should I pay to cover the debts of this commercial greedy population who never saved a penny, even though some did, yet queued up for the hand outs??
Close all loopholes by simplifying the whole tax system asap.
The reasons the holes are there is so the Politicians can hide their ill gotten gaines! and give wealth to accountants to find them
The reasons the holes are there is so the Politicians can hide their ill gotten gaines! and give wealth to accountants to find them
oh that you could - but global businesses who are tech can avoid country taxes because the world can't agree on way forward... so we end up where we are - only way is transaction tax on all online transactions - but are people willing to pay that and lose benefits of amazon?
Why should somebody better off than you pay more tax than you?
There may be good and fair reasons why they were better off than you in the first place, which is not something they should be punished for.
There may be good and fair reasons why they were better off than you in the first place, which is not something they should be punished for.
What is the position of Marcus Rashford or Raheem Sterling - on £200k and £300k per week respectively - on the budget?
I think we should be told.
I think we should be told.
Because of the huge debt they have racked up, the government needs to rake in more tax revenue.
One measure Sunak is using, is raising the rate of Corporation Tax.
But for the past 40 years, Conservatives have told us raising CT rates actually decreases the tax revenue collected.
So, is Sunak introducing a self defeating policy? Or have the Tories been telling us a big lie for 40 years?
One measure Sunak is using, is raising the rate of Corporation Tax.
But for the past 40 years, Conservatives have told us raising CT rates actually decreases the tax revenue collected.
So, is Sunak introducing a self defeating policy? Or have the Tories been telling us a big lie for 40 years?
You don't know any answers.
Cut pensions. I know this would be unpopular but due to the triple lock they always get inflation busting increases YoY. On top of winter fuel allowance/cold payments.
I think 30 years ago pensioners struggled, now not so much. Needs to be looked into particularly with the baby boomer bulge in population moving into retirement and a generally ageing population.
I think 30 years ago pensioners struggled, now not so much. Needs to be looked into particularly with the baby boomer bulge in population moving into retirement and a generally ageing population.
If pensioners have such a good standard of living then that must be the level we should be lifting others to, not trying to drag things backward.
That many may end up eating all by themselves again if this cack doesn't end
The Uk is unilaterally breaching Northen Ireland protocol. It will have an impact on the economy. What a pariah state we have become
'Fair' as defined by the government that the rest of the world understands can't be trusted...
...the same government that labels the worlds worst covid death toll as 'world-beating' ?????
...the same government that labels the worlds worst covid death toll as 'world-beating' ?????
He's marking his own work... of course he'll say it's the best solution.
It is indeed the best solution. Labour had no comment worth making, and no alternative to offer.
I look forward to seeing the Brexiteer “patriots” with offshore accounts helping out ??
I have no faith in anything this Tory government and all of Boris' mates. Not even pretending they are gearing up for tax cuts come the next election. This is NOT how 'democracy' should work
You could always vote against them when you have a chance....That's democracy!
How should democracy work , vote looney left?
It’s exactly how it should work. There’s an election, a party, or parties get voted in, then fulfil their manifesto promises. And if they don’t, it’s held against them next time around.
I have no faith in the Labour opposition, who would have tried to renege on Brexit and would then spend too much money.
They dont need to cut anything, they just need people to think they will be better off under them than Labour - this time the lowest rise may well win.
Yes it is, never seen one democracy work any other way. If you don't like it at least you can vote against them at the next GE??
Has the incompetent fool announced “Eat out to help out 2” yet?
God Father Part 2 definitely, Empire Strikes Back certainly, Aliens arguably, for me anyway. Home Alone 2, another classic.
I think your comment should have been, "the sequel is seldom as good"
I think your comment should have been, "the sequel is seldom as good"
"Scoff til ya drop" ?
Would be fine if everyone got a pay rise in line with inflation AS STANDARD, then salary increases etc on top.
Buuuut we live in an age where the bosses earn hundreds or thousands of times what the workers do, while being protected from the responsibility they theoretically get paid for.
So why would the Government protect its workers living standards?
Buuuut we live in an age where the bosses earn hundreds or thousands of times what the workers do, while being protected from the responsibility they theoretically get paid for.
So why would the Government protect its workers living standards?
Fair? The richest 5% of Britons hold 60% of wealth and earn 30% of income.
Get them to pay. A wealth tax of 1-2% on assets above £2 million.
Get the rich paying 5% Nics instead of 2%.
Get them to pay. A wealth tax of 1-2% on assets above £2 million.
Get the rich paying 5% Nics instead of 2%.
1% pay 30+% of all tax.
and tend to employ the majority of non-public sector workers too.
Reduce their income, and you will see reductions in their workforce as surely as day follows night.
Reduce their income, and you will see reductions in their workforce as surely as day follows night.
The poorest 20% receive far more in benefits than they pay in tax revenue. How is that fair? The poor should pay their way, bunch of scroungers.
You sound very jealous of success.
It would be a good way to increase the tax take of Switzerland and Monaco, where the rich people will go. The politics of envy is ultimately destructive.
I agree - too many people are hoarding huge static wealth, either as investments, cash or property. This wealth needs to be loosened to benefit the country as a whole.
Why should they pay a wealth tax? If someone saves and invests and takes risks and works harder and defers gratification and builds up savings, why do you think you should be allowed to dip your sticky fingers into their savings because others didn't save, invest etc?
More jealous diatribe.
As always, make the rich pay, make business pay, make pensioners pay, make big corporations pay, in fact anybody but you.
Not sure where you get your figures from but it's 10% own 60% of the wealth whereas in the Nordic countries 10% own between 66-68%. This imbalance is a world wide thing
“The poor and middle class are paying taxes, the rich are paying accountants, and the wealthy are paying politicians” – Mohamad Safa, UN.
Until we find a way to curb offshore tax avoidance and stop those lobbying politicians for wealthy interests, this debt isn’t being paid off fairly.
Until we find a way to curb offshore tax avoidance and stop those lobbying politicians for wealthy interests, this debt isn’t being paid off fairly.
Very grimly, a lot of them have paid the ultimate price during this pandemic.
Tax the poor and hope the Red Wall still vote Tory because it's 'aspirational.'
Invent something useful and you too could become wealthy!
We have found a way. Hong Kong is a rich westerners tax haven. China are doing us a favour and closing it down. Look how our press continually attack China for doing that. If you try to shut down these tax havens it will bring war and coup d'etat to places like the Cayman Islands under the falsehood that democracy is under attack.
The poor man never pays, only the middle man
Poor man with chip on shoulder doesn't get far in life.
We spend too much time complaining about lack of opportunity - sometimes you make it yourself than sitting around moaning and expecting someone to give it to you.
We spend too much time complaining about lack of opportunity - sometimes you make it yourself than sitting around moaning and expecting someone to give it to you.
For the past few decades, the rich have got richer and the poor have got richer. That's the way it ought to be.
The top 1% pay over a third of income tax. The bottom 40% pay no income tax.
The top 1% pay about a third of all income tax, top 10% >two thirds.
Even the guardian admits it: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/nov/13/richest-britain-income-tax-revenues-institute-fiscal-studies
So this myth you just peddled is just that
Even the guardian admits it: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/nov/13/richest-britain-income-tax-revenues-institute-fiscal-studies
So this myth you just peddled is just that
So why don’t you work for yourself then?
always has, always will!
Self employed 30+ years employed people, paid taxes - and not had 1p from Sunak from day 1, but expected to help pay back 'because we are all in it together' LOL
Giving them the "jab" will probably wipe out a few more of them and that frees up the housing market
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These are the people who have worked hard, paid taxes, and raised families.
Not in my interest! Poor and Elderly . Why perpetuate the myth older people are wealthy?
The old age will be worse off, may be asset rich but cash poor. The triple lock which is good in its way will never cover the costs of the increases in Council tax, Energy prices, Water Rates, Petrol prices, House insurance, Car insurance, and food prices. The basic pension is at less than half of the average national wage, so some old folk are really going to struggle
And what about the ones who vote labour and are home owners. The unions fought for their pensions and wage increases. Try getting off your keyboard and earn a living instead of wanting handouts.
Not only the elderly, remember, they have an 80 seat majority, some of the younger element must have voted for them.
Rubbish all people are helped when the housing market is good
Or young, aspirational, hard working people who want to provide a roof for them selves.
Another ill informed still comment.
Most elderly homeowners dont care about the value of their property as they dont intend to profit by it.
These policies are targeted in the interests of property speculators and BTL types to whom property ownership is an investment vehicle.
They create many low earners financial problems and stem from Thatcher's council house sell off and subsequent failures to restore sufficient social housing.
These policies are targeted in the interests of property speculators and BTL types to whom property ownership is an investment vehicle.
They create many low earners financial problems and stem from Thatcher's council house sell off and subsequent failures to restore sufficient social housing.
I may be elderly and vote Tory. However I also have children who struggle to get on the housing ladder.
The problem is lack of supply and a growing population on a relatively small island.
The problem is lack of supply and a growing population on a relatively small island.
...and all those Tory doners who build houses.
Also, 20 something who voted labour, now in their 40s in middle-management roles, now vote Tory.
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1. Ensure that ministers cannot flout long held procurement laws to give £millions of our cash to dodgy mates.
2. Not have compounded economic woes with the pandemic by implementing a half baked Brexit deal.
3. Tackle the siphoning off of money to offshore tax havens for tax avoidance.
Shall I go on? Exactly?
2. Not have compounded economic woes with the pandemic by implementing a half baked Brexit deal.
3. Tackle the siphoning off of money to offshore tax havens for tax avoidance.
Shall I go on? Exactly?
Sorry BBC, but every news article on your website is more important and far more interesting than what Meagain and Harry are moaning on about, no one cares. I’m sure I am not the only one to find them sickening. Please get rid. Thanks.
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If you want some entertainment, read the comments under articles about them on the Daily Mail site. Hilarious. Doubt she will ever set foot i the UK again. With all that is going on in the world, she is of zero significance, should be a news blackout on her.
“The poor and middle class are paying taxes, the rich are paying accountants, and the wealthy are paying politicians” – Mohamad Safa, UN.
Until we find a way to curb offshore tax avoidance and stop those lobbying politicians for wealthy interests, this debt isn’t being paid off fairly.
Until we find a way to curb offshore tax avoidance and stop those lobbying politicians for wealthy interests, this debt isn’t being paid off fairly.
hahahahah. I am enjoying the EU going to war with itself. UK will be first out of the Covid recession, with a strong recovery. While the Eu fights with itself and gets poorer.
You really need an education. Your quote is as useful and wrong as the "professionals" that said we're all doomed after the vote to leave the vile EU and following recently actually departing. What an hilarious embarrassment, team project fear are now. I'm loving every day :-)
Damned if you do and damned if you don't. There is never a one size fits all. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
In Scotland we pay higher taxes anyway and just like England the so called middle class take the hit - never the so called rich in any of the nations. Additionally Queen Nick here is shutting the door on the "stamp duty" equivalent for home buyers.
In Scotland we pay higher taxes anyway and just like England the so called middle class take the hit - never the so called rich in any of the nations. Additionally Queen Nick here is shutting the door on the "stamp duty" equivalent for home buyers.
But truth doesn't please people. Never let the Facts get in the way of socialist left leaning media outlets.
Of course they are, personal allowances are being frozen and that will effect those with the lesser disposable income the most.
Why don't you do some research before posting and stop making a fool of yourself.
Why don't you do some research before posting and stop making a fool of yourself.
Rich??????????????????????
Well said, its pathetic when people spout such drivil. Poor people pay no tax, while the top 10% of earners pay 90% of the income tax yet idiots like this still claim "the poor take the tax burden" - on what planet is zero greater than essentially all the income tax?
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Because of the huge debt they have racked up, the government needs to rake in more tax revenue.
One measure Sunak is using, is raising the rate of Corporation Tax.
But for the past 40 years, Conservatives have told us raising CT rates actually decreases the tax revenue collected.
So, is Sunak introducing a self defeating policy? Or have the Tories been telling us a big lie for 40 years?
One measure Sunak is using, is raising the rate of Corporation Tax.
But for the past 40 years, Conservatives have told us raising CT rates actually decreases the tax revenue collected.
So, is Sunak introducing a self defeating policy? Or have the Tories been telling us a big lie for 40 years?
So the one-man LTDs who pay theirselves min wage and dividends are being hit hardest.
They EU made a U turn.
Little england didn't. Brexit is a growing fiasco
Little england didn't. Brexit is a growing fiasco
I think you'll find that Boris' intention to over-ride the Withdrawal Agreement he signed a few months before came before EU & Article 16. But then, he doesn't do detail, as we found out when at the Foreign Office. I suppose the rise in Corporation Tax is at least carrying out his policy of F**k Business over Brexit
Certainly fair on those demanding lockdowns perpetuate forever. No such thing as a free lunch.
Tories showing their true colours, raising taxes in a way that falls hardest on the poorest.
Hancock paid £50,000 on nine takeaways, so your right. It really takes some doing spending £50,000 on Nine takeaways
What is the position of Marcus Rashford or Raheem Sterling - on £200k and £300k per week respectively - on the budget?
I think we should be told.
I think we should be told.
you just cant let it go can you.
Another dreary Remoaner.
There are about 12 other HYS going on right now. Make sure you drop in on those and keep mentioning Brexit I'm sure on day it will be relevant to the topic.
Still blaming Brexit for your problems - Get over it you lost.
That's so true.
The govt isn't just fighting the economic damage of Coronavirus but also damage due to Brexit. Which is why our economy is now in a much poorer state than many other EU countries.
Of course, our useless govt will NEVER admit it.
To try and mitigate some of the damage they'll simply break the law, and tell us it's all the EU's fault!
As if anyone is going to fall for that.
The govt isn't just fighting the economic damage of Coronavirus but also damage due to Brexit. Which is why our economy is now in a much poorer state than many other EU countries.
Of course, our useless govt will NEVER admit it.
To try and mitigate some of the damage they'll simply break the law, and tell us it's all the EU's fault!
As if anyone is going to fall for that.
Here we go the old Brexit wagons rolling again. It's over get over it!!
Absolute crap to link this virus with leaving the e.u.
If this is all your tiny mind can think of to write,then please do not bother!
If this is all your tiny mind can think of to write,then please do not bother!
Boris looked very agitated and grouchy as he sat slumped in the corner yesterday?
He’s a good representation of Britain; agitated, grouchy and dishevelled! ??
Ahh but then you would complain that he broke the rules by getting a barber in to cut his hair,,LOL
"....and get a haircut. He is a dreadful representation of the UK, dishevelled."
But that would be breaking the Covid restrictions, and then you'd complain about that.
But that would be breaking the Covid restrictions, and then you'd complain about that.
Barbers are closed ! You're advocating he should break the law ?!?!
the hair cut is a distraction
Such a pity we don't have Corbyn representing the UK. Our friends overseas, like the Russians, would have been delighted.
We all need a haircut - hairdressers are shut - or didn't you take any notice?
You think most normal people look any better? Chavs sitting on their sofas in their underpants eating ceral out of a box...
Where exactly can he get a haircut? If you know, please let me know as well.
Actually, his disheveled look is probably a good representation of the state of the UK right now!
Dishevelled, are you talking about the economy or the PM??
The whole look is an attempt at distraction from the horrible things he says and does
He deliberately messes up his hair, it's all part of the image. Makes him a man of the people and all that.
Self employed 30+ years employed people, paid taxes - and not had 1p from Sunak from day 1, but expected to help pay back 'because we are all in it together' LOL
Most of the employed on here don't understand the point you are making.
I don't like this government, but the budget was mostly fair.
Ok there can be improvements, like for example the scandal of triple-locked pensions which guarantees pay rises to some people at a time where others get pay cuts or redundancies
Irony that the only one with the guts to deal with that injustice was also the one that let the hooligans of ERG push her around and force her to resign
Ok there can be improvements, like for example the scandal of triple-locked pensions which guarantees pay rises to some people at a time where others get pay cuts or redundancies
Irony that the only one with the guts to deal with that injustice was also the one that let the hooligans of ERG push her around and force her to resign
which Brexiteer patriots with offshore accounts are those ?
Jeff Bezos
2009: $6.8 billion
2020: $184 billion
Mark Zuckerberg
2009: $2 billion
2020: $103 billion
U.S. Minimum Wage
2009: $7.25
2020: $7.25
2009: $6.8 billion
2020: $184 billion
Mark Zuckerberg
2009: $2 billion
2020: $103 billion
U.S. Minimum Wage
2009: $7.25
2020: $7.25
So, you’re saying people need to start up their own companies?
Innovate, enterprise, and you will earn more too!
Moaning about this and that never earned anyone money (ok unless you're a politician of course)
Moaning about this and that never earned anyone money (ok unless you're a politician of course)
Bezos and Zuckerberg have contributed more to humanity than all the Americans on the minimum wage combined. So the disparity is reasonable.
I may have missed it somewhere but was there any mention of reward for the NHS workers who have given so much these last 12 months?
I swear to God - I could do a better job than Johnson, Sunak and Hancock combined.