Covid: Oxford vaccine does protect older people, Europe told
03/03/2021 | news | health | 648
A single dose of the Pfizer or Oxford vaccine cuts hospital admissions of older people by about 80%.
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03/03/2021 18:53:55 93 16
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By "Europe", read "The EU"; the BBC loves conflating the two
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03/03/2021 18:56:52 45 15
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Typical BBC.
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03/03/2021 19:06:02 9 4
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It's the unique way they're funded: by the EU.
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03/03/2021 19:32:00 2 5
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read past the headline, yes we know the times will have its own right wing TV soon
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03/03/2021 19:57:02 4 4
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I see pedantry is still alive and kicking amongst the anti-Beeb brigade!
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03/03/2021 21:18:08 1 1
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When it comes to decrying the people over the channel it's Europe when it comes to worshiping them for being all things wonderful they are the EU
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03/03/2021 22:19:31 0 0
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Don’t confuse the EU with the individual member countries of the EU.

France and Germany were going against EU advice.
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03/03/2021 18:54:08 37 6
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Whoever said the French hated us? Well, they can eat humble pie now. But they won't!
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03/03/2021 18:59:45 9 75
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In the meantime shops, schools etc haven’t been shut in France since the first lockdown. They have a curfew at 6 Pm. They aren’t as desperate as us for a vaccine. Probably because they haven’t got 123 000 deaths. You might want to try humble pie yourself. Life has gone on over there whilst we have Ben locked down for three months. Try again.
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03/03/2021 19:02:25 0 5
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But their humble pie will taste just divine! Washed down with a fabulous burgundy.
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03/03/2021 18:56:25 19 10
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Who give's a Monkey's what they get up to over there?
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03/03/2021 18:59:55 7 25
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Spoken like a true xenophobe!
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03/03/2021 19:00:34 1 10
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Exactly. However we could always ask them how they have managed to have far fewer deaths than us?
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03/03/2021 19:01:30 5 3
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Because if the rest of the world doesn’t sort out Covid, our efforts will be for nothing. Viruses mutate as they spread, so we need to stop the spread globally or future variants could come back to haunt us.
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03/03/2021 18:56:40 154 8
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I just feel sorry for the European people who can’t get vaccinated! I am so relieved I have had my first jab
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03/03/2021 19:26:17 12 108
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Many of them will choose not to be vaccinated anyway. I don't think the 'hide behind the sofa to escape the big bag viris' mindset has infected Europe as badly as it has the UK.
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03/03/2021 18:53:55 93 16
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By "Europe", read "The EU"; the BBC loves conflating the two
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03/03/2021 18:56:52 45 15
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Typical BBC.
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03/03/2021 19:04:56 3 13
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Yeh, they are just so bad, you just can’t find any helpful informative content on any of their award winning media channels. Just shocking it is. I’d hate the bbc too if I could stop admiring all their dedicated people
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03/03/2021 18:57:40 4 3
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Ve astra questions..........
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03/03/2021 19:01:16 2 3
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That’s really not funny.
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03/03/2021 18:54:08 37 6
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Whoever said the French hated us? Well, they can eat humble pie now. But they won't!
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03/03/2021 18:59:45 9 75
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In the meantime shops, schools etc haven’t been shut in France since the first lockdown. They have a curfew at 6 Pm. They aren’t as desperate as us for a vaccine. Probably because they haven’t got 123 000 deaths. You might want to try humble pie yourself. Life has gone on over there whilst we have Ben locked down for three months. Try again.
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03/03/2021 19:03:03 7 1
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Poor Ben, can’t have been easy for him.
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03/03/2021 19:06:24 16 2
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If everything is open, then why fewer deaths? Does the virus halt at 6pm or is it the way each country records their deaths?
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03/03/2021 19:10:06 19 3
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You miss the point - the UK is a very different society to France. We've far less space, far more mixed households, we're a major transport hub, we import 50% of our food - the list goes on. The reason that France has a lower take up is that by and large they just don't like being told what to do. I lived there for 12 years - love the county but the populus are pretty headstrong and militant....
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04/03/2021 08:55:29 0 0
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Overall, cases in France remain on the ‘high plateau’ that has been seen since December with roughly 20,000 new cases per day.
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04/03/2021 08:56:26 0 0
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Twenty "départements" have been placed on ‘alert’ for extra restrictions because of their worryingly high case numbers, with the number of cases per 100,000 people in the northern port town of Dunkirk more than 900
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03/03/2021 18:56:25 19 10
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Who give's a Monkey's what they get up to over there?
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03/03/2021 18:59:55 7 25
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Spoken like a true xenophobe!
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03/03/2021 19:15:54 5 1
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Can you please explain why minding your own business can be described as Xenophobic?
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03/03/2021 19:56:46 1 1
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How so? Explain the xenophobic part?
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03/03/2021 18:56:25 19 10
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Who give's a Monkey's what they get up to over there?
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03/03/2021 19:00:34 1 10
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Exactly. However we could always ask them how they have managed to have far fewer deaths than us?
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03/03/2021 19:02:30 7 2
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The total deaths is a red herring. You'll find very few 80+ year old with underlying health conditions in Africa or S Asia because they all died well before they made it to that age.

The fact that we have had a high level of deaths in the UK is credit to the work of the NHS in treating people and raising the life expectancy. The countries with the best public health have the most deaths per cap.
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03/03/2021 19:16:28 5 1
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Easy. They have merely calculated deaths differently.
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03/03/2021 18:57:40 4 3
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Ve astra questions..........
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03/03/2021 19:01:16 2 3
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That’s really not funny.
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03/03/2021 19:01:17 47 8
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Umm.. pretty sure the EU is perfect, in like every way.. um yeah.. like..
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03/03/2021 19:37:38 6 25
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As if anyone, remain supporters included has ever said such a thing? Only leavers say that sort of thing. Our death toll seems high and we were lucky with our vaccine induustry, and the NHS doing the jab
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03/03/2021 20:12:34 2 4
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Check how many have had both doses,....
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03/03/2021 18:56:25 19 10
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Who give's a Monkey's what they get up to over there?
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03/03/2021 19:01:30 5 3
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Because if the rest of the world doesn’t sort out Covid, our efforts will be for nothing. Viruses mutate as they spread, so we need to stop the spread globally or future variants could come back to haunt us.
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03/03/2021 19:17:07 3 2
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We already know that, which is why the EU should either use the jabs they have stocked up on or give them away to countries that will use them.
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03/03/2021 20:38:03 1 1
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Vaccine can be tweaked faster than the virus can mutate it hasn't and probably won't become more lethal because it's need to spread is not served by making the host bed bound.
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03/03/2021 19:01:45 102 9
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I feel sorry for all those citizens of the EU whom now have a risk to their health because their politicians ignored the need for the vaccine in an effort to gain political points. Macron has since admitted he got it wrong, Merkel too now has to admit the figures she quoted were, 'mis-spoken'. The results have proved that they were so wrong.
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03/03/2021 19:35:24 13 65
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That's not accurate Peter. a) all 27 have to agree b) each can - as some have - make emergency decisions c) the UK Vaccine did not have enough testing of older people d) the UK gamble paid off - if it hadn't Peter, what then? e) had the french vaccine worked and Oxford not? By all means crow against the 27 if you want, I wouldn't myself. How's our death toll?
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03/03/2021 20:52:47 2 13
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The Govt gambled with people's lives for political point scoring by
a) extending the 2nd jab limit to 3 months without sufficient data
b) putting most of their eggs in AZ basket (EU already has more efficient moderna)
c) using AZ on elderly without sufficient data

They got lucky - for once. That said NHS did a brilliant job, so did army
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03/03/2021 19:01:47 63 8
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Nothing to do with us.
They make their own decisions,we make ours.Im just glad Im not French!
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03/03/2021 19:05:38 11 75
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However if you were French your children would have been in school since September and not at home. Your shops would have been open all winter not locked down like here. And you would have been less likely to die from Covid. So much better here isn’t it?
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03/03/2021 19:06:25 8 5
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What about a bit of compassion and empathy for a change? Celebrating the misfortune of others is not a great trait to have.
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03/03/2021 19:50:19 2 7
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A shame really. I used to think I ought to have settled in France while young enough to work in a bar while bringing my French up to fluency. But then England today isn’t so hot either, culturally speaking.
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03/03/2021 20:13:08 3 12
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Glad I'm not English....
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03/03/2021 18:54:08 37 6
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Whoever said the French hated us? Well, they can eat humble pie now. But they won't!
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03/03/2021 19:02:25 0 5
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But their humble pie will taste just divine! Washed down with a fabulous burgundy.
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03/03/2021 18:58:08 15 2
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I expect the citizenry of the EU will boot Ursula VDL out of office for the mismanagement of the vaccine crisis at the the very next opportunity they get...
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03/03/2021 19:06:56 32 2
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That's one of the problems with the EU.......the citizenry of the EU have no say in the appointment of people like Ursula, and cannot boot them out.
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03/03/2021 19:08:11 6 1
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The real people with power in the EU are unaccountable and cannot be voted out. Corrupt through and through.
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03/03/2021 19:09:25 5 1
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Unfortunately the citizenry of the EU don’t get a vote on who is an EU Commissioner, so very difficult to get their snouts out of the trough.
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03/03/2021 19:00:34 1 10
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Exactly. However we could always ask them how they have managed to have far fewer deaths than us?
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03/03/2021 19:02:30 7 2
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The total deaths is a red herring. You'll find very few 80+ year old with underlying health conditions in Africa or S Asia because they all died well before they made it to that age.

The fact that we have had a high level of deaths in the UK is credit to the work of the NHS in treating people and raising the life expectancy. The countries with the best public health have the most deaths per cap.
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03/03/2021 19:06:21 0 1
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Ironically the biggest contributor are vaccines!
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03/03/2021 19:30:57 0 7
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You should rename yourself as the voice of the tories. Brainwashing is working fine,
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03/03/2021 20:38:52 0 1
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Great point.
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03/03/2021 18:59:45 9 75
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In the meantime shops, schools etc haven’t been shut in France since the first lockdown. They have a curfew at 6 Pm. They aren’t as desperate as us for a vaccine. Probably because they haven’t got 123 000 deaths. You might want to try humble pie yourself. Life has gone on over there whilst we have Ben locked down for three months. Try again.
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03/03/2021 19:03:03 7 1
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Poor Ben, can’t have been easy for him.
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03/03/2021 19:03:21 249 21
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Can't work out why the French and Germans aren't using the Oxford jab. Could it be that the Pfizer jab is 50% German; Macron is embarrassed that french companies failed to create a vaccine; Brexit backlash; fear of other countries leaving the EU due to their abject vaccination failure; they don't like us?? Take your pick,but it's probably all of them but I reckon they are just jealous....jab up EU
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03/03/2021 19:07:22 62 257
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Personally I’m more embarrassed by our death toll compared to theirs. Choose whatever piece of news makes you feel better.
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03/03/2021 19:10:37 8 32
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Er...isn't AstraZeneca Swedish?
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03/03/2021 19:37:18 5 18
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Please read the article.
European countries are refusing to use the Oxford jab on older groups because of a lack of convincing data.
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03/03/2021 20:10:09 2 6
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Cause for the more elderly population AZ and the SA variant pretty rubbish stats
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03/03/2021 21:18:12 8 4
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Spanish govt has stopped vaccine rollout because it only has AstraZeneca left and won't use it. Purely political and still many over 80's not vaccinated. I am in a high risk group and told will have to wait until Sept to get mine, so people in the UK, STOP BLEATING and get the vaccine when it is offered to you because things could be Much.Much.Worse.
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04/03/2021 02:08:17 2 0
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did the USA approve the Oxford Jab BigRed? Please explain then why the USA didn't approve it at once either...
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03/03/2021 19:03:29 91 14
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This proves what the EU is . Autocratic and inefficient . They have totally messed up the vaccine roll out and the people in Europe are paying with there lives. The ONLY reason they are questioning the Oxford jab is political. EU- not fit for purpose
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03/03/2021 19:06:11 11 111
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The EU is not questioning the Oxford jab, You made that up.
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03/03/2021 19:47:53 4 9
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Gazismad - like the USA then mate? Also questioned the Oxford jab because the UK had gambled with the jab without full test data? Get real. We were lucky, Oxford started work jan 2020 and didnt wait for johnson, the gamble on single jabs worked, the gamble with older people worked, and the NHS left to itself can get the jabs out.
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03/03/2021 20:17:02 4 16
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I am a Johnny foreigner so thanks for telling me what to do....why you whining, you left...for fish and sovereignty
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03/03/2021 22:13:31 1 1
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Don’t confuse the EU with the individual member countries of the EU.

France and Germany were going against EU advice.
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03/03/2021 19:04:37 106 5
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If it weren't for the fact that this is actual life and death that is being discussed, the EU's vaccine troubles would be beyond hilarious.
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03/03/2021 19:07:31 10 188
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Not really. Whatever their shortcomings they were exacerbated by the lies of both AstraZeneca and the UK Government. Not at all helpful.
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03/03/2021 19:28:14 24 4
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Aye its a shame that they are playing with peoples lives.

If anyone else apart from the EU had started Trumpian levels of fake news about a vacine there would be screams of "anti vaxxer " and "covidiot"

Instead......silence....
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03/03/2021 18:56:52 45 15
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Typical BBC.
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03/03/2021 19:04:56 3 13
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Yeh, they are just so bad, you just can’t find any helpful informative content on any of their award winning media channels. Just shocking it is. I’d hate the bbc too if I could stop admiring all their dedicated people
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03/03/2021 19:17:04 4 1
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Read the article. It doesn't have a single reference to the EU.
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03/03/2021 19:01:47 63 8
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Nothing to do with us.
They make their own decisions,we make ours.Im just glad Im not French!
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03/03/2021 19:05:38 11 75
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However if you were French your children would have been in school since September and not at home. Your shops would have been open all winter not locked down like here. And you would have been less likely to die from Covid. So much better here isn’t it?
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03/03/2021 19:16:06 27 2
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French infection rates are currently on the rise. Despite this the French government want to start lifting restrictions. They have and are continuing to handle their vaccination program very badly, to the point where Germany is looking to secure its borders.

Do try and keep up.
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03/03/2021 19:05:56 5 1
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I applaud the effort in carrying out a very useful study but surely it is entirely up to the 27 governments of the EU as to how they use their vaccines. It must be said that their EMA approved the vaccine without caveat so I didn't really understand why it wasn't fully utilised, then again I've always said we must try to keep the politics out of a health crisis.
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03/03/2021 19:08:41 1 16
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It just shows the bias of some of the posters here that they don't even realise that none of the scepticism is due to the EU.
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03/03/2021 19:10:36 5 2
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The EU despise Britain and hate the fact we have a successful vaccination programme and a successful vaccine. In order to deflect they have deliberately hinted the vaccine is inferior, this after threatening to seize our lawfully purchased supplies too.
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03/03/2021 19:03:29 91 14
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This proves what the EU is . Autocratic and inefficient . They have totally messed up the vaccine roll out and the people in Europe are paying with there lives. The ONLY reason they are questioning the Oxford jab is political. EU- not fit for purpose
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03/03/2021 19:06:11 11 111
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The EU is not questioning the Oxford jab, You made that up.
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03/03/2021 19:23:48 18 3
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Macron did ,,,, he Rubbished it claimed it it was Not Affective ,,
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03/03/2021 21:03:19 2 2
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cut gazismad a bit of slack - s/he is just ill informed :)
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03/03/2021 22:14:25 5 1
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The EU's biggest & most influential members are - by extension the EU is culpable, it isn't opposing them.
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03/03/2021 19:02:30 7 2
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The total deaths is a red herring. You'll find very few 80+ year old with underlying health conditions in Africa or S Asia because they all died well before they made it to that age.

The fact that we have had a high level of deaths in the UK is credit to the work of the NHS in treating people and raising the life expectancy. The countries with the best public health have the most deaths per cap.
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03/03/2021 19:06:21 0 1
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Ironically the biggest contributor are vaccines!
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03/03/2021 18:59:45 9 75
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In the meantime shops, schools etc haven’t been shut in France since the first lockdown. They have a curfew at 6 Pm. They aren’t as desperate as us for a vaccine. Probably because they haven’t got 123 000 deaths. You might want to try humble pie yourself. Life has gone on over there whilst we have Ben locked down for three months. Try again.
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03/03/2021 19:06:24 16 2
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If everything is open, then why fewer deaths? Does the virus halt at 6pm or is it the way each country records their deaths?
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03/03/2021 19:12:54 2 14
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You tell me. Why haven’t French schools shut. Why are shops still opening normally? No need to boost about the vaccine if you’re not honest enough to see that some countries have managed to do things we haven’t. We got the vaccine right. It looks like they’ve managed the pandemic better.
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03/03/2021 21:09:50 1 1
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it's because it stops people from partying, especially when there is enough police about
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03/03/2021 19:01:47 63 8
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Nothing to do with us.
They make their own decisions,we make ours.Im just glad Im not French!
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03/03/2021 19:06:25 8 5
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What about a bit of compassion and empathy for a change? Celebrating the misfortune of others is not a great trait to have.
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03/03/2021 19:10:33 4 20
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Tories don’t do empathy. They strive on stirring things up and creating enemies to rally the simpletons.
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03/03/2021 19:06:46 64 10
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The EU are so extreme they would rather let innocent European citizens die than admit their mistakes.
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03/03/2021 19:07:42 8 62
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When did that happen?
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03/03/2021 18:58:08 15 2
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I expect the citizenry of the EU will boot Ursula VDL out of office for the mismanagement of the vaccine crisis at the the very next opportunity they get...
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03/03/2021 19:06:56 32 2
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That's one of the problems with the EU.......the citizenry of the EU have no say in the appointment of people like Ursula, and cannot boot them out.
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03/03/2021 19:10:01 1 6
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Of course they can. The MEPs approved her appointment, and can remove her any time they like. Who voted for Lord Frost, Brexit negotiator failure? How do we remove him?
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03/03/2021 19:36:19 2 1
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Yes - I was being a touch sarcastic. It's the only way I can get round the BBC's censorship these days.
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03/03/2021 19:03:21 249 21
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Can't work out why the French and Germans aren't using the Oxford jab. Could it be that the Pfizer jab is 50% German; Macron is embarrassed that french companies failed to create a vaccine; Brexit backlash; fear of other countries leaving the EU due to their abject vaccination failure; they don't like us?? Take your pick,but it's probably all of them but I reckon they are just jealous....jab up EU
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03/03/2021 19:07:22 62 257
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Personally I’m more embarrassed by our death toll compared to theirs. Choose whatever piece of news makes you feel better.
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03/03/2021 19:19:50 67 7
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Assuming each nation reports the deaths in exactly the same otherwise we could be comparing apples with oranges.
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03/03/2021 19:12:49 75 5
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Personally I am immensely proud of our vaccination programe. I guess some people are positive and some people like to wallow........
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03/03/2021 19:22:09 22 13
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And you don't eh? Have a little nap dear
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03/03/2021 19:23:40 69 8
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The total deaths is a red herring. You'll find very few 80+ year old with underlying health conditions in Africa or S Asia because they all died well before they made it to that age.

The fact that we have had a high level of deaths in the UK is credit to the work of the NHS in treating people and raising the life expectancy. The countries with the best public health have the most deaths per cap.
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03/03/2021 19:26:23 15 5
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Belgium and Czech Republic are both in the EU and as bad as us.
That said ours is bad.
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03/03/2021 19:37:17 8 18
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I know, it's embarrassing that our NHS isnt saving more lives ??
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03/03/2021 19:46:34 9 6
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True. We must have one of the unhealthiest populations in Europe. Wonder why the blobby, sofa-surfing, fast-food chompers don't get more of a blast from Nanny Beeb?
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03/03/2021 20:04:45 4 11
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Please GIVE US ALL your WISDOM and enlighten the whole world on why the death rate is higher than France or Germany! We await your words!
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03/03/2021 21:01:02 9 2
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You are only embarrassed by our death toll because you don't have a scooby about science, statistics and population density.
That's why you should be embarrassed!
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03/03/2021 21:03:38 6 4
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If you believe the EU death numbers published you believe in fairies.
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03/03/2021 21:08:15 3 3
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Oh don't worry they are catching us up fast on the number of deaths. It won't be long until they race past us.
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03/03/2021 21:08:42 2 3
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Like Covid death toll is anything to do with politics. Covid mutated in the UK because it didn't like Boris's hair. Get a life.
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03/03/2021 21:40:20 5 0
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And I'm embarrassed by the behaviour of a segment of the British public, who couldn't care less about anything but their selfish selves!!
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03/03/2021 21:44:21 5 1
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Well, you sit in your corner and be embarrassed then. The rest of us will celebrate the freedom that the vaccines will bring. Well done NHS, well done UK Gov and well done UK!
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03/03/2021 22:02:46 2 1
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EU nation's death counts are highly suspicious. In the end all open, diverse, western societies using the same criteria will have similar numbers. Ours might be less given the vaccine success and ability to utilise the Oxford jab
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03/03/2021 22:03:47 2 1
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The pandemic is not over let’s see what the death toll in the EU is in months to come by denying their citizens the Oxford vaccine.
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03/03/2021 22:24:06 3 0
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That's because we're a nation of fatties, something which was said straightaway to be one of the most dangerous factors, subsidised health facilities should be a long term strategy
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04/03/2021 08:43:23 0 2
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If the EU countries reported their deaths in the same way we do they would have a higher death toll. If we reported the same as the EUROPEAN countries our death toll would be around 40% lower.than it is.
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04/03/2021 08:53:59 0 1
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Don't worry , they'll be catching up soon
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04/03/2021 10:28:25 1 0
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Right. Finland is nr 97 on the worldometers.info list – population abt. 5,7 million, 60 000 cases and 758 deaths.
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04/03/2021 18:37:24 0 0
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Our death toll is, of course, incorrect.
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03/03/2021 19:04:37 106 5
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If it weren't for the fact that this is actual life and death that is being discussed, the EU's vaccine troubles would be beyond hilarious.
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03/03/2021 19:07:31 10 188
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Not really. Whatever their shortcomings they were exacerbated by the lies of both AstraZeneca and the UK Government. Not at all helpful.
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03/03/2021 19:12:17 41 3
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Please give full details of the alleged lies.
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03/03/2021 19:38:30 21 3
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Living up to your name?
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03/03/2021 19:38:36 31 3
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And which lies would these be? The fact that the AZ vaccine is effective, can be stored in a normal fridge, is cheaper to manufacture. You take your pick or just sit in your armchair & type some more cr*p
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03/03/2021 19:50:30 6 3
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Read the contracts, it would who told the lies.
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03/03/2021 19:55:36 18 3
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Got yer name right I see
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03/03/2021 21:12:37 7 3
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You don't understand what 'best effort' means in a contract do you !
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03/03/2021 21:14:07 6 3
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One lie after another. You love churning them out.
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03/03/2021 21:51:19 3 2
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Armchair Bore .... you really are .... & no doubt quite lonely
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03/03/2021 22:05:55 1 1
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Are you serious? Why on earth defend the indefensible? Much more to the point you offer no proof of your assertions. Your pseudonym seems uncannily spot on.
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03/03/2021 19:06:46 64 10
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The EU are so extreme they would rather let innocent European citizens die than admit their mistakes.
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03/03/2021 19:07:42 8 62
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When did that happen?
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03/03/2021 22:48:56 0 1
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@Armchair Bore - Is your real name Lewis Hamilton?
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03/03/2021 19:08:08 11 2
bbc
@bbc do you mean the EU? Europe is the continent and cannot be told.
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03/03/2021 18:58:08 15 2
bbc
I expect the citizenry of the EU will boot Ursula VDL out of office for the mismanagement of the vaccine crisis at the the very next opportunity they get...
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03/03/2021 19:08:11 6 1
bbc
The real people with power in the EU are unaccountable and cannot be voted out. Corrupt through and through.
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03/03/2021 19:03:10 88 16
bbc
Never thought the EU/France/Germany would stoop so low as to put the lives of their citizens at risk for political point scoring/sour grapes. I expect the EU leaders will be voted out at the next election. Oh, hang on - they don't have those, do they.
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03/03/2021 19:10:48 19 64
bbc
Yes, thee are EU elections. Didn't you ever bother to vote?
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03/03/2021 19:44:36 2 9
bbc
You need to read up and check what the Two European Commissions are responsible for, and the regular EU elections, that even Farage acknowledges exist. The Commissioner are appointed by the heads of state and are senior civil servants in effect Because it's not like the UK where the PM has reasonably absolute power, many in the UK do not understand this. You do not appear to understand either
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03/03/2021 20:14:03 3 12
bbc
No we just have a higher death toll..
24
03/03/2021 19:05:56 5 1
bbc
I applaud the effort in carrying out a very useful study but surely it is entirely up to the 27 governments of the EU as to how they use their vaccines. It must be said that their EMA approved the vaccine without caveat so I didn't really understand why it wasn't fully utilised, then again I've always said we must try to keep the politics out of a health crisis.
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03/03/2021 19:08:41 1 16
bbc
It just shows the bias of some of the posters here that they don't even realise that none of the scepticism is due to the EU.
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03/03/2021 19:09:04 9 1
bbc
I'm sure wq
e'd be happy to have the unwanted doses back here.
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03/03/2021 18:58:08 15 2
bbc
I expect the citizenry of the EU will boot Ursula VDL out of office for the mismanagement of the vaccine crisis at the the very next opportunity they get...
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03/03/2021 19:09:25 5 1
bbc
Unfortunately the citizenry of the EU don’t get a vote on who is an EU Commissioner, so very difficult to get their snouts out of the trough.
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03/03/2021 19:09:57 152 16
bbc
European countries let down by the EU. Very sad, I wish all of the countries well.

I wonder what the BBC editorial would be now, if the EU and UK vaccination progress were reversed. They can barely acknowledge UK success at anything.
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03/03/2021 19:11:37 9 193
bbc
Yes they were let down. They were also let down by AstraZeneca, who lied to them and failed to deliver what was promised.
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03/03/2021 19:12:01 17 6
bbc
Why do you think that is? Could it be because for decades the EU have infected our education systems and our media? You bet.
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04/03/2021 10:37:40 1 1
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Right and wrong. It was AZ that let down EU, by not delivering the amount they promised. EU let down countries by making ”too loose” agreement with AZ.
Wish u well as well!
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03/03/2021 19:06:56 32 2
bbc
That's one of the problems with the EU.......the citizenry of the EU have no say in the appointment of people like Ursula, and cannot boot them out.
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03/03/2021 19:10:01 1 6
bbc
Of course they can. The MEPs approved her appointment, and can remove her any time they like. Who voted for Lord Frost, Brexit negotiator failure? How do we remove him?
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03/03/2021 18:59:45 9 75
bbc
In the meantime shops, schools etc haven’t been shut in France since the first lockdown. They have a curfew at 6 Pm. They aren’t as desperate as us for a vaccine. Probably because they haven’t got 123 000 deaths. You might want to try humble pie yourself. Life has gone on over there whilst we have Ben locked down for three months. Try again.
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03/03/2021 19:10:06 19 3
bbc
You miss the point - the UK is a very different society to France. We've far less space, far more mixed households, we're a major transport hub, we import 50% of our food - the list goes on. The reason that France has a lower take up is that by and large they just don't like being told what to do. I lived there for 12 years - love the county but the populus are pretty headstrong and militant....
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03/03/2021 19:15:38 1 7
bbc
I’m afraid not. If they don’t like doing what they’re told, they must not have cooperated with the lockdown and should have had more deaths. Not the case. I’ll tell you why we have more deaths. Nothing to do with size, density etc.. Here we’ve been told that the great British common sense would be enough. Over there they locked down in time and have hefty fines for those who don’t stay home
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03/03/2021 19:17:53 2 9
bbc
Being militant is good. They don’t let themselves be taken for a ride. They wouldn’t have a Rees Mogg and co take them for a ride. However they don’t have the Daily Mail to hypnotise the masses. They know their politics and they know when they need to take matters in their own hands.
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03/03/2021 21:11:16 1 1
bbc
"love the county but the populus are pretty headstrong and militant...." - and how exactly is that different from Britain?
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03/03/2021 19:06:25 8 5
bbc
What about a bit of compassion and empathy for a change? Celebrating the misfortune of others is not a great trait to have.
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03/03/2021 19:10:33 4 20
bbc
Tories don’t do empathy. They strive on stirring things up and creating enemies to rally the simpletons.
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03/03/2021 20:25:23 4 1
bbc
Simpletons?...... snob
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03/03/2021 19:05:56 5 1
bbc
I applaud the effort in carrying out a very useful study but surely it is entirely up to the 27 governments of the EU as to how they use their vaccines. It must be said that their EMA approved the vaccine without caveat so I didn't really understand why it wasn't fully utilised, then again I've always said we must try to keep the politics out of a health crisis.
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03/03/2021 19:10:36 5 2
bbc
The EU despise Britain and hate the fact we have a successful vaccination programme and a successful vaccine. In order to deflect they have deliberately hinted the vaccine is inferior, this after threatening to seize our lawfully purchased supplies too.
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03/03/2021 19:21:39 0 6
bbc
The EU hasn't hinted anything. You made that up.
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03/03/2021 19:23:41 0 2
bbc
I tend to reserve my political comments and opinions to articles dealing with political matters. I am truly unsure why a number of EU governments chose not to fully utilise the AZ vaccine but doubt your hypothesis is the only reason. They each have an equivalent of PHE and would be advised by them, using the EMA decision.
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03/03/2021 19:03:21 249 21
bbc
Can't work out why the French and Germans aren't using the Oxford jab. Could it be that the Pfizer jab is 50% German; Macron is embarrassed that french companies failed to create a vaccine; Brexit backlash; fear of other countries leaving the EU due to their abject vaccination failure; they don't like us?? Take your pick,but it's probably all of them but I reckon they are just jealous....jab up EU
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03/03/2021 19:10:37 8 32
bbc
Er...isn't AstraZeneca Swedish?
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03/03/2021 19:54:57 15 1
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50% correct. Zeneca was esentially ICI pharmaceutics division merged with Swedish pharmaceutical company Astra
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03/03/2021 19:58:37 18 1
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No, it is a British-Swedish multinational pharmaceutical and biopharmaceutical company with its headquarters in Cambridge, England.
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03/03/2021 20:26:26 8 1
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No it is 50/5o Swedish British.
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LH
03/03/2021 23:25:49 0 0
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NO, it's ANGLO-Swedish! Check up, old pal!!
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04/03/2021 06:46:19 0 0
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British & Swedish
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04/03/2021 11:27:43 0 0
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AstraZeneca was formed from a merger of a British and Swedish company but is HQ'd in Cambridge and listed on the London stock exchange. Their partner (Oxford) is obviously a British institution. A shorthand reference to the 'British vaccine' is not unreasonable (calling it the Swedish vaccine probably would be though).
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04/03/2021 13:19:46 0 0
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It is indeed and uses a multi-national team. but most people on here calim its british and therefore the best without actually knowing anything about the vaccines
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03/03/2021 19:03:10 88 16
bbc
Never thought the EU/France/Germany would stoop so low as to put the lives of their citizens at risk for political point scoring/sour grapes. I expect the EU leaders will be voted out at the next election. Oh, hang on - they don't have those, do they.
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03/03/2021 19:10:48 19 64
bbc
Yes, thee are EU elections. Didn't you ever bother to vote?
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03/03/2021 21:14:11 3 3
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No you can't get rid of Von Der Liar. No vote there for you.
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03/03/2021 22:08:45 1 1
bbc
But the system is seriously flawed. Why does it make sense that MEP's can be elected in the home country who are in opposition to the incumbent government which means that decisions made in the EU Parliament are not necessarily reflective of the ruling Governments policies on which it was elected. It's a farce.
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03/03/2021 19:09:57 152 16
bbc
European countries let down by the EU. Very sad, I wish all of the countries well.

I wonder what the BBC editorial would be now, if the EU and UK vaccination progress were reversed. They can barely acknowledge UK success at anything.
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03/03/2021 19:11:37 9 193
bbc
Yes they were let down. They were also let down by AstraZeneca, who lied to them and failed to deliver what was promised.
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03/03/2021 19:16:59 46 2
bbc
They don't want the astrazeneca vaccine , if they had been sent all that they say had been promised it would still be sat in a warehouse somewhere not being used!
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03/03/2021 19:43:44 40 2
bbc
"The Oxford vaccine is rubbish!!, and we don't have enough of it!" EU Jan 2021.
They aren’t using it you moron Removed
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03/03/2021 19:50:22 22 1
bbc
Evidence of AZ lying please
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03/03/2021 19:52:24 15 2
bbc
Read the contracts, unredacted.
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03/03/2021 21:05:06 4 2
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They got what they ordered for delivery when they ordered, get your facts right
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03/03/2021 21:10:34 6 1
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Nope, their contract said 'best effort' and thanks to the EU signing too late they didn't have time to fix things that they were able to do in the UK. They were never 'promised' that many doses.
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03/03/2021 21:12:22 4 2
bbc
Thats not true. Your worse than Trump.
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03/03/2021 22:44:45 0 1
bbc
hahahahahha. melt
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LH
03/03/2021 23:36:59 0 0
bbc
You have read the official contract, yes???????
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04/03/2021 10:40:43 1 0
bbc
Correct. Of the 180 million, they now say they can deliver a half – and the rest... who knows.
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03/03/2021 19:09:57 152 16
bbc
European countries let down by the EU. Very sad, I wish all of the countries well.

I wonder what the BBC editorial would be now, if the EU and UK vaccination progress were reversed. They can barely acknowledge UK success at anything.
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03/03/2021 19:12:01 17 6
bbc
Why do you think that is? Could it be because for decades the EU have infected our education systems and our media? You bet.
Removed
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03/03/2021 19:12:15 1 6
bbc
The leaders of independent democratic EU states are questioning the jab, not the EU commission.
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03/03/2021 19:14:38 11 2
bbc
No. The EU have spread lies about the Oxford jab to make themselves seem less useless than they are.
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03/03/2021 18:53:55 93 16
bbc
By "Europe", read "The EU"; the BBC loves conflating the two
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03/03/2021 19:06:02 9 4
bbc
It's the unique way they're funded: by the EU.
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03/03/2021 19:06:02 0 19
bbc
I am old and won’t have the jab
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03/03/2021 19:13:35 12 1
bbc
If you are old you need the jab.
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03/03/2021 19:18:20 7 1
bbc
That's fine, dont go out and dont rely on the NHS when you do
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03/03/2021 19:27:08 0 2
bbc
You’re old enough to know better than to let fear and misinformation get the better of you then. Go on ... be brave!
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03/03/2021 19:28:22 1 2
bbc
I'd be very interested to understand why Andrew. I hope that you remain well.
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03/03/2021 19:07:31 10 188
bbc
Not really. Whatever their shortcomings they were exacerbated by the lies of both AstraZeneca and the UK Government. Not at all helpful.
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03/03/2021 19:12:17 41 3
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Please give full details of the alleged lies.
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03/03/2021 19:06:24 16 2
bbc
If everything is open, then why fewer deaths? Does the virus halt at 6pm or is it the way each country records their deaths?
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03/03/2021 19:12:54 2 14
bbc
You tell me. Why haven’t French schools shut. Why are shops still opening normally? No need to boost about the vaccine if you’re not honest enough to see that some countries have managed to do things we haven’t. We got the vaccine right. It looks like they’ve managed the pandemic better.
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03/03/2021 19:18:28 8 1
bbc
Calm down dear....
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03/03/2021 19:53:21 3 1
bbc
“Boast”
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03/03/2021 19:13:20 3 23
bbc
"Some European countries are refusing to use the Oxford jab on older groups because of a lack of convincing data."

.... This statement should worry everyone in the UK.
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03/03/2021 19:17:31 11 1
bbc
Why ? its working well here according to the same data
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03/03/2021 19:18:27 6 1
bbc
This statement is nonsense. there was a lack of complete data, but good indicators. Now there is very good data. Everyone in the UK who's had a jab can feel as safe as its possible to be.
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03/03/2021 19:19:48 3 2
bbc
The statement is wrong.
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03/03/2021 19:27:11 3 1
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The evidence is out there mate. 2 reports this week alone stating that actually the Oxford vaccine has higher efficacy in our older population than the Pfizer jab....but that info won't please the Germans who co-produce the Pfizer nor the French whose self lauded pharmaceutical industry failed catastrophically in finding a vaccine.
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03/03/2021 19:13:30 11 3
bbc
It seems incredible that take up of vaccines and scientific advice can be so different in other countries . Certainly nonessential travel abroad should be ruled out for the foreseeable future if our vaccination programme remains successful and we get the virus under control.
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03/03/2021 19:06:02 0 19
bbc
I am old and won’t have the jab
57
03/03/2021 19:13:35 12 1
bbc
If you are old you need the jab.
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03/03/2021 19:14:36 67 6
bbc
EU should just Jab Up - their politicians should forget their anti English feeling (I really believe it's anti English rather than anti British) and politics. Think of your people, get on with it.
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03/03/2021 19:19:46 5 75
bbc
It's nothing to do with the EU,
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03/03/2021 20:57:24 3 4
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The EU does not care about the English any more - they are not out to get anyone, especially bot at the expense of their own people, they just aren't interested
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03/03/2021 19:12:15 1 6
bbc
The leaders of independent democratic EU states are questioning the jab, not the EU commission.
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03/03/2021 19:14:38 11 2
bbc
No. The EU have spread lies about the Oxford jab to make themselves seem less useless than they are.
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03/03/2021 19:20:15 1 6
bbc
The EU hasn't spread any lies. You made that up.
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03/03/2021 19:14:44 51 4
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EU wont get this sorted until some of the big names say very clearly they got it wrong. Macron. Merkel and VDL don't have the balls to say it. So the doubt they created makes the OxAZ difficult to sell to their people. The vaccine supply blind panic that took hold has cost lives and will continue to do so. A few choice words from JVT might make them realise their stupid short sightedness.
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03/03/2021 20:14:45 3 6
bbc
W T F has this issue got to do with us?
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03/03/2021 19:15:32 14 1
bbc
Germany to announce some lifting of restrictions and vaccination changes tomorrow. More than likely changing the age were the AZ can be used.
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03/03/2021 19:10:06 19 3
bbc
You miss the point - the UK is a very different society to France. We've far less space, far more mixed households, we're a major transport hub, we import 50% of our food - the list goes on. The reason that France has a lower take up is that by and large they just don't like being told what to do. I lived there for 12 years - love the county but the populus are pretty headstrong and militant....
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03/03/2021 19:15:38 1 7
bbc
I’m afraid not. If they don’t like doing what they’re told, they must not have cooperated with the lockdown and should have had more deaths. Not the case. I’ll tell you why we have more deaths. Nothing to do with size, density etc.. Here we’ve been told that the great British common sense would be enough. Over there they locked down in time and have hefty fines for those who don’t stay home
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03/03/2021 19:15:50 280 10
bbc
The comments from Merkel and Macron were outrageous and dangerous. By all means wait for further information on the effectiveness in older people, but to decry the Oxford jab publicly was a political move and nothing else.

The UK government have made serious errors in the past but their vaccine rollout has been astonishing and deserves praise.
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03/03/2021 19:39:12 47 188
bbc
Thank god the UK Vaccine industry reacted in January 2020 and not weeks and weeks later like the Government, Thank God the NHS is doing the jab and not a freind of the PM. It deserves praise, but it's not really down to the government.
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03/03/2021 19:40:40 55 15
bbc
The fact they are prepared to sacrifice lives to score political points is nothing short of scandalous. Yet here we are with Europhiles actually defending them.
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03/03/2021 20:47:59 5 23
bbc
Merkel NEVER made negative comments - you have been reading the wrong papers, I think. It was Macron who came up with this nonsense about 'quasi-ineffectiveness'.
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03/03/2021 18:59:55 7 25
bbc
Spoken like a true xenophobe!
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03/03/2021 19:15:54 5 1
bbc
Can you please explain why minding your own business can be described as Xenophobic?
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03/03/2021 19:16:04 73 14
bbc
To be honest Europe can stew in its own mess as far as I'm concerned. Just as well we eventually got out of it in
time. Should have happened 40 years ago.
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03/03/2021 21:05:34 5 17
bbc
Don't complain then, when the EU asopts the same attitude - supply chain comes to mind - and all this medication that is not produced in the UK
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03/03/2021 19:05:38 11 75
bbc
However if you were French your children would have been in school since September and not at home. Your shops would have been open all winter not locked down like here. And you would have been less likely to die from Covid. So much better here isn’t it?
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03/03/2021 19:16:06 27 2
bbc
French infection rates are currently on the rise. Despite this the French government want to start lifting restrictions. They have and are continuing to handle their vaccination program very badly, to the point where Germany is looking to secure its borders.

Do try and keep up.
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03/03/2021 19:29:28 2 24
bbc
Yes infections are going up but they’ve been living normal lives all winter apart from a curfew in the evening. Things are getting bad in some regions but they seem to be managing. So they aren’t as desperate as we are with vaccines which is people are not queuing up to get the vaccine and despite not having that many vaccines, they have fewer people who want to be vaccinated than vaccines.
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03/03/2021 19:16:20 199 4
bbc
Quite simply if they dont want them thats fine, there are millions who would love to have the opportunity of a vaccine injection. I find it rather distasteful that while in poorer countries people are dying the EU is sitting on unused vaccines it doesnt appear to want.
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03/03/2021 19:19:10 9 180
bbc
The EU is doing nothing of the sort.
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03/03/2021 20:11:38 5 21
bbc
How dare those foreign chappies not listen to us...
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03/03/2021 19:00:34 1 10
bbc
Exactly. However we could always ask them how they have managed to have far fewer deaths than us?
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03/03/2021 19:16:28 5 1
bbc
Easy. They have merely calculated deaths differently.
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03/03/2021 19:11:37 9 193
bbc
Yes they were let down. They were also let down by AstraZeneca, who lied to them and failed to deliver what was promised.
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03/03/2021 19:16:59 46 2
bbc
They don't want the astrazeneca vaccine , if they had been sent all that they say had been promised it would still be sat in a warehouse somewhere not being used!
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03/03/2021 19:21:16 3 42
bbc
The EU does want the AZ vaccine. it's some individual members who don't. Please learn the difference.
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03/03/2021 19:38:34 22 2
bbc
I agree. If they don't want it they should let the poor countries have it!
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03/03/2021 20:45:31 2 8
bbc
They use it for frontline workers, that's why France can vaccinate police and Germany teachers and nursery staff
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03/03/2021 19:04:56 3 13
bbc
Yeh, they are just so bad, you just can’t find any helpful informative content on any of their award winning media channels. Just shocking it is. I’d hate the bbc too if I could stop admiring all their dedicated people
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03/03/2021 19:17:04 4 1
bbc
Read the article. It doesn't have a single reference to the EU.
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03/03/2021 19:01:30 5 3
bbc
Because if the rest of the world doesn’t sort out Covid, our efforts will be for nothing. Viruses mutate as they spread, so we need to stop the spread globally or future variants could come back to haunt us.
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03/03/2021 19:17:07 3 2
bbc
We already know that, which is why the EU should either use the jabs they have stocked up on or give them away to countries that will use them.
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03/03/2021 19:13:20 3 23
bbc
"Some European countries are refusing to use the Oxford jab on older groups because of a lack of convincing data."

.... This statement should worry everyone in the UK.
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03/03/2021 19:17:31 11 1
bbc
Why ? its working well here according to the same data
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03/03/2021 19:10:06 19 3
bbc
You miss the point - the UK is a very different society to France. We've far less space, far more mixed households, we're a major transport hub, we import 50% of our food - the list goes on. The reason that France has a lower take up is that by and large they just don't like being told what to do. I lived there for 12 years - love the county but the populus are pretty headstrong and militant....
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03/03/2021 19:17:53 2 9
bbc
Being militant is good. They don’t let themselves be taken for a ride. They wouldn’t have a Rees Mogg and co take them for a ride. However they don’t have the Daily Mail to hypnotise the masses. They know their politics and they know when they need to take matters in their own hands.
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03/03/2021 19:18:12 2 8
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gazismad
19:03

"This proves what the EU is . Autocratic and inefficient . They have totally messed up the vaccine roll out and the people in Europe are paying with there lives. "

The UK is still in lockdown, and people that have been vaccinated are also still in lockdown.

What is the point of being in lockdown after vaccination?
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03/03/2021 19:20:50 5 1
bbc
Because there are still lots of people who haven't been.
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03/03/2021 19:23:50 1 1
bbc
I think the point is that in time those vaccinated will hopefully not develop Covid symptoms. The vaccination does not prevent one being infectious, hence social distancing is still required until the vaccine is fully rolled out.
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03/03/2021 19:34:36 1 1
bbc
Oh dear, you can't grasp it can you...
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03/03/2021 19:36:10 1 1
bbc
We are in lockdown still because our vaccination programme is not yet completed to within the planned parameters. We are still at risk, that is why we are in lockdown. Don't forget the UK has the most unhealthy population in the western hemisphere, highest diabetes rate, highest obesity.
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03/03/2021 19:18:16 63 6
bbc
Macron has a lot to answer for. His scaremongering regarding the AZ vaccine as a desperate attempt to save face and distract from his own massive failures. Macron and his ilk literally invented this out of nowhere, with no evidence for any claim. Huge amount of blood on their hands, and one day they need to be accountable for it.
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03/03/2021 20:18:37 4 26
bbc
Not as much as Boris then....
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03/03/2021 19:06:02 0 19
bbc
I am old and won’t have the jab
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03/03/2021 19:18:20 7 1
bbc
That's fine, dont go out and dont rely on the NHS when you do
55
03/03/2021 19:13:20 3 23
bbc
"Some European countries are refusing to use the Oxford jab on older groups because of a lack of convincing data."

.... This statement should worry everyone in the UK.
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03/03/2021 19:18:27 6 1
bbc
This statement is nonsense. there was a lack of complete data, but good indicators. Now there is very good data. Everyone in the UK who's had a jab can feel as safe as its possible to be.
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03/03/2021 19:12:54 2 14
bbc
You tell me. Why haven’t French schools shut. Why are shops still opening normally? No need to boost about the vaccine if you’re not honest enough to see that some countries have managed to do things we haven’t. We got the vaccine right. It looks like they’ve managed the pandemic better.
78
03/03/2021 19:18:28 8 1
bbc
Calm down dear....
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03/03/2021 19:34:19 1 7
bbc
I’m calm. Just answering your comments. I lived in France too for a few years. They wouldn’t put up with our gvt for two weeks without taking to the streets.
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03/03/2021 19:16:20 199 4
bbc
Quite simply if they dont want them thats fine, there are millions who would love to have the opportunity of a vaccine injection. I find it rather distasteful that while in poorer countries people are dying the EU is sitting on unused vaccines it doesnt appear to want.
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03/03/2021 19:19:10 9 180
bbc
The EU is doing nothing of the sort.
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03/03/2021 19:24:51 47 6
bbc
Oh yes it is.......you go and check how many unused vaccines they have with people simply not turning up to have them
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03/03/2021 19:31:34 36 7
bbc
Stop trolling
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03/03/2021 19:38:48 50 3
bbc
Over a million doses sitting in Germany doing nothing right now!
349
03/03/2021 21:08:59 22 2
bbc
Yes they are - they have several million doses of the AZ vaccine they aren't using !!!
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03/03/2021 21:57:15 1 1
bbc
You chose your name very well.
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Abc
03/03/2021 22:05:54 4 1
bbc
yes they are - wasting vaccines for Brexit politics.
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03/03/2021 19:10:28 53 5
bbc
Totally political as why the French and Germans are dragging their heels.
They don't want any good news or developments to outshine their beloved EU.
EU the gift that keeps on giving.
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03/03/2021 19:24:24 34 5
bbc
Almost right; EU, the gift that keeps on TAKING!
344
03/03/2021 21:07:41 1 2
bbc
and yet they bought more of the American vaccine moderna - and already have it
81
03/03/2021 19:10:33 12 2
bbc
Shouldnt that read " EU told"?
Unless its escaped the keen eye of the BBC, the UK are geographically still in Europe.
ps- and we know it works
127
03/03/2021 19:28:52 3 8
bbc
Actually, no. It should read European countries, some of which are in the EU. Not quite as natty though.
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03/03/2021 19:14:36 67 6
bbc
EU should just Jab Up - their politicians should forget their anti English feeling (I really believe it's anti English rather than anti British) and politics. Think of your people, get on with it.
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03/03/2021 19:19:46 5 75
bbc
It's nothing to do with the EU,
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03/03/2021 19:31:02 19 3
bbc
Yes it is. What's the point of the EU if they can't mandate the use of life saving vaccines across their 27 states?
451
03/03/2021 22:09:30 0 1
bbc
Well it is, because the EU is essentially Germany France & The Netherlands.
460
03/03/2021 22:13:07 2 1
bbc
You may just be the most transparently ignorant troll in the history of HYS.
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03/03/2021 19:13:20 3 23
bbc
"Some European countries are refusing to use the Oxford jab on older groups because of a lack of convincing data."

.... This statement should worry everyone in the UK.
83
03/03/2021 19:19:48 3 2
bbc
The statement is wrong.
31
03/03/2021 19:07:22 62 257
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Personally I’m more embarrassed by our death toll compared to theirs. Choose whatever piece of news makes you feel better.
84
03/03/2021 19:19:50 67 7
bbc
Assuming each nation reports the deaths in exactly the same otherwise we could be comparing apples with oranges.
95
03/03/2021 19:22:47 9 50
bbc
Yes, the tories’ message is finally going through. It won’t be long before they tell us that we have been world beating and you will swallow.
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LH
03/03/2021 23:26:14 1 0
bbc
Both are fruit!!
85
03/03/2021 19:19:52 147 6
bbc
The most obvious point is that when it comes to the Oxford jab, the leaders of France and Germany have done far more damage than the anti-vaxxers could ever do.
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03/03/2021 19:23:14 10 140
bbc
I would agree that Macrons statement wasn't wise. However, all EU countries have done is said there isn't enough data. They are right. There isn't. The UK took a huge risk, and it seems to have paid off. It could equally have killed everyone over the age of 65. It's just that this was very unlikely.
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03/03/2021 19:14:38 11 2
bbc
No. The EU have spread lies about the Oxford jab to make themselves seem less useless than they are.
86
03/03/2021 19:20:15 1 6
bbc
The EU hasn't spread any lies. You made that up.
31
03/03/2021 19:07:22 62 257
bbc
Personally I’m more embarrassed by our death toll compared to theirs. Choose whatever piece of news makes you feel better.
87
03/03/2021 19:12:49 75 5
bbc
Personally I am immensely proud of our vaccination programe. I guess some people are positive and some people like to wallow........
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03/03/2021 19:49:30 4 20
bbc
So, you aren't worried that we seem to have a much higher death rate than Germany?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
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03/03/2021 19:18:12 2 8
bbc
gazismad
19:03

"This proves what the EU is . Autocratic and inefficient . They have totally messed up the vaccine roll out and the people in Europe are paying with there lives. "

The UK is still in lockdown, and people that have been vaccinated are also still in lockdown.

What is the point of being in lockdown after vaccination?
88
03/03/2021 19:20:50 5 1
bbc
Because there are still lots of people who haven't been.
89
03/03/2021 19:21:10 20 2
bbc
The EU's problems with their vaccination programme are of their own making.

When a head of state claimed incorrectly that it was quasi-ineffective on the over 65s what did they expect would happen?
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03/03/2021 19:25:04 2 15
bbc
He was only incorrect in hindsight. At the time he said it, there was no proof either way. Should he have said it? In my opinion, no. However, I understand why some countries were reluctant to use the AZ vaccine for over 65 year olds ,as there was not enough data to show it worked well enough.
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03/03/2021 19:16:59 46 2
bbc
They don't want the astrazeneca vaccine , if they had been sent all that they say had been promised it would still be sat in a warehouse somewhere not being used!
90
03/03/2021 19:21:16 3 42
bbc
The EU does want the AZ vaccine. it's some individual members who don't. Please learn the difference.
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03/03/2021 19:28:54 34 3
bbc
That will be Germany and France? The individual members who made the biggest noise about not getting what they wanted, but don't think it was any good anyway? You are so pro EU, one has to question if you live this side of the channel or the other
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03/03/2021 19:21:37 2 12
bbc
Jill B
19:17

"Why ? its working well here according to the same data"

That will explain why the UK government took on vaccine liability from manufacturers last September .... unlike the EU that waited for trial results .....

.... doesn't that worry you?
98
03/03/2021 19:23:23 3 1
bbc
Nope......
99
03/03/2021 19:23:31 1 1
bbc
No. People like you worry me. Full of nonsense. You putting doubt about the vaccine into people's minds could literally cost lives.
44
03/03/2021 19:10:36 5 2
bbc
The EU despise Britain and hate the fact we have a successful vaccination programme and a successful vaccine. In order to deflect they have deliberately hinted the vaccine is inferior, this after threatening to seize our lawfully purchased supplies too.
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03/03/2021 19:21:39 0 6
bbc
The EU hasn't hinted anything. You made that up.
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03/03/2021 19:26:05 0 2
bbc
Don’t you love it? Creating fake enemies to stir nationalism. That’s how the tories do it.
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03/03/2021 19:07:22 62 257
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Personally I’m more embarrassed by our death toll compared to theirs. Choose whatever piece of news makes you feel better.
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03/03/2021 19:22:09 22 13
bbc
And you don't eh? Have a little nap dear
107
03/03/2021 19:24:34 5 34
bbc
Omg. First class argument. Don’t do debates if you are so childish when people disagree with you,
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03/03/2021 19:06:11 11 111
bbc
The EU is not questioning the Oxford jab, You made that up.
84
03/03/2021 19:19:50 67 7
bbc
Assuming each nation reports the deaths in exactly the same otherwise we could be comparing apples with oranges.
95
03/03/2021 19:22:47 9 50
bbc
Yes, the tories’ message is finally going through. It won’t be long before they tell us that we have been world beating and you will swallow.
85
03/03/2021 19:19:52 147 6
bbc
The most obvious point is that when it comes to the Oxford jab, the leaders of France and Germany have done far more damage than the anti-vaxxers could ever do.
96
03/03/2021 19:23:14 10 140
bbc
I would agree that Macrons statement wasn't wise. However, all EU countries have done is said there isn't enough data. They are right. There isn't. The UK took a huge risk, and it seems to have paid off. It could equally have killed everyone over the age of 65. It's just that this was very unlikely.
145
03/03/2021 19:32:30 31 5
bbc
You really are on a downer aren't you. Have a wee nap old love.
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03/03/2021 19:48:02 21 4
bbc
How absurd. Merkel is 66 - do you really think success at 64, dead at 66? Age limits are only ever a rough guide.
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03/03/2021 19:51:37 6 1
bbc
Therefore not equally.
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03/03/2021 19:54:04 19 3
bbc
You really are deluded and to think you are a teacher as well
248
03/03/2021 20:13:37 16 2
bbc
They did have data though, sure it might not have been "enough" for some, but it wasn't as reckless as you make it out to be. That said, the "point and laugh" mentality in these comments is too much imo.
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03/03/2021 20:34:00 10 1
bbc
The lack of data was about effectiveness.
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03/03/2021 21:06:36 5 2
bbc
Thats nonsense.....they dont have data on its efficacy on quadraplegics either.....because they didnt specifically test it on them but with a moments clear thought its obviouse that it will work the same regardless. Just as it would in people over 65.
A prime example of believing something then looking at data to prove your point.
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03/03/2021 21:11:59 10 2
bbc
The UK DID NOT take a risk. Phase 2 of the AZ trial showed a similar antibody response in the elderly as the young. It was impossible it wasn't going to work in the elderly.
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03/03/2021 21:13:23 6 2
bbc
Thats fake again. Even Trump is not as bad as you. The USA is way ahead of the EU on vaccinations.
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03/03/2021 21:19:59 3 1
bbc
I have checked my English/French dictionary and, surprisingly enough, quasi-ineffective does not seem to translate into insufficient data.
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03/03/2021 22:35:14 2 0
bbc
Yeh, they probably just flipped a coin to decide whether it was safe to administer to millions of people...what a ??
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04/03/2021 10:28:56 0 1
bbc
There "isn't"? You might have been able to make a weak argument that their wasn't enough data in January or earlier (even then virologists believed strongly in the AZ jab). But now we have TONS of data. The millions and millions of people getting the vaccines. Analysis based on that blows away any "lack" of data in the original test phases.
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03/03/2021 19:23:19 3 8
bbc
Jill B
19:16

"I find it rather distasteful that while in poorer countries people are dying the EU is sitting on unused vaccines it doesnt appear to want."

,,, as opposed to the UK ordering 404 Million vaccines that at current rates will take 3 years to deliver after 9 rounds of CV19 mutations?

Do try and think, first.
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03/03/2021 21:55:24 1 0
bbc
We ordered early before we knew if any product would work. We have also ordered multiple technologies of vaccines.
There is also over ordering to avoid supply chain issues , you know like the EU threat?
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03/03/2021 19:21:37 2 12
bbc
Jill B
19:17

"Why ? its working well here according to the same data"

That will explain why the UK government took on vaccine liability from manufacturers last September .... unlike the EU that waited for trial results .....

.... doesn't that worry you?
98
03/03/2021 19:23:23 3 1
bbc
Nope......
91
03/03/2021 19:21:37 2 12
bbc
Jill B
19:17

"Why ? its working well here according to the same data"

That will explain why the UK government took on vaccine liability from manufacturers last September .... unlike the EU that waited for trial results .....

.... doesn't that worry you?
99
03/03/2021 19:23:31 1 1
bbc
No. People like you worry me. Full of nonsense. You putting doubt about the vaccine into people's minds could literally cost lives.
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03/03/2021 19:25:52 0 3
bbc
So you would prefer to be lied to?
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03/03/2021 19:07:22 62 257
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Personally I’m more embarrassed by our death toll compared to theirs. Choose whatever piece of news makes you feel better.
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03/03/2021 19:23:40 69 8
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The total deaths is a red herring. You'll find very few 80+ year old with underlying health conditions in Africa or S Asia because they all died well before they made it to that age.

The fact that we have had a high level of deaths in the UK is credit to the work of the NHS in treating people and raising the life expectancy. The countries with the best public health have the most deaths per cap.
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03/03/2021 19:58:04 4 4
bbc
Japan has a higher average life expectancy but a lot lower covid deaths