Budget 2021: Rishi Sunak warns tax rises to follow spending spree
03/03/2021 | news | business | 2,439
The UK economy is expected to recover six months faster than expected from the pandemic, the chancellor says.
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03/03/2021 14:39:06 79 40
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No one likes paying tax but if needs must at this current time while trying to find the balance of optimising intake and growth, then it is always appropriate.

Why should future generations pay?
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03/03/2021 14:50:33 101 173
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Why should Sunak have trashed the economy and still let the virus go out of control?

The Tories should have shut the borders like Australia.

Tax payers are paying for Tory leadership incompetence.

Nothing else.
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03/03/2021 15:12:02 4 32
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Why should we pay in the first place for an utterly ridiculous panic game led by the insane lefty scientists.
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03/03/2021 15:22:26 11 0
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Because they live in this country, and we will all be paying one way or another, the same as we had to pay, up until 2006 for the WWII debts.

It will be at least one generation before this lot's paid off.
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03/03/2021 15:23:05 3 12
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Today's generation is paying for the balloon of boomers pensions and other unfunded expenditure, no point lumping this on them as well - push it off to the future to give the grandkids something to moan about.
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dai
03/03/2021 15:47:21 0 0
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Raisin of great expectations.
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03/03/2021 16:14:24 0 0
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With a closing statement like that your username in a oxymoron.
03/03/2021 17:17:49 0 2
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What about the old people we have all been saving paying something too. All those who benefitted all their lives and have their huge houses, index linked pensions etc etc. They now all want to get their Covid passports so they can go back to the cruises, golf clubs, and holidays. Then tell us its tough as they have 'paid in all their lives'!
03/03/2021 18:55:18 2 0
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Amazon certainly doesnt like paying tax. So it leverages loopholes that large companies can.
03/03/2021 21:43:02 0 0
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I don't mind paying my share if others do but that's not the case for the super rich is it
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03/03/2021 14:39:10 24 32
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Good luck getting fishing businesses to pay 25% tax
They've all gone bust thanks to Brexit
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03/03/2021 14:43:57 8 6
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Have they? Not heard of any that have gone bankrupt yet. Good news is morrisons has taken over falfish the Cornish fish wholesaler. Morrisons is also promoting British fish. Will be much greener and more efficient to sell fish in the UK rather than send it Spain and France where all the restaurants are closed anyway.
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03/03/2021 14:46:41 4 1
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But I thought brexit was going swimmingly? (pun intended)
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03/03/2021 14:42:19 4 6
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You should be having a go at the EU for renagining on their promises as part of the Brexit negotiations, instead of manipulating the rule book to be vindictive to the UK for political reasons. The UK Government reasonably expected based on EU commitments for live fish exports to continue.
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03/03/2021 16:24:22 2 0
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Only when they are making £250,000 profit, im sure if they were making that much they would be happy to pay a bit more
03/03/2021 17:04:44 2 0
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25% of profit - if they're not making a profit then no tax increase
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03/03/2021 14:39:48 25 26
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We'll certainly recover faster than the rest of Europe.
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03/03/2021 14:43:03 10 10
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Why? Because waving your plastic Union Jack and singing Rule Britannia makes the money tree grow quicker?
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03/03/2021 14:44:24 6 4
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We have a bigger drop to recover from.
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03/03/2021 14:46:33 5 4
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Well we have fallen a lot further, so we will need to
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03/03/2021 14:43:27 1 2
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Certainty shows Dunning Kruger effect.
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03/03/2021 15:03:32 3 3
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It's relative I guess to how big your economy has crashed.
We've had the biggest crash, caused by the biggest ineptitude in our history.
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03/03/2021 14:39:50 26 12
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We're in uncharted territory. He can't really know.
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03/03/2021 14:40:12 533 156
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The economy doesn’t just need fixing, it needs radical reform. Covid has shown all that’s wrong with how we were living before, who's really essential to our society and ways to improve going forward.

Wealthy influences want things to return to the past as it worked for them. But it doesn’t work for the rest of us.

We need to start challenging politicians to bring about more positive change.
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03/03/2021 14:42:18 387 321
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It is clear that this pandemic has been an on-going war-drum of the ‘excitable Left’, believing that it will herald a new ‘more socialist’ beginning.

But once things do start returning back to normal, those political imaginings will quickly return to the political wastelands where they rightly belong.
Well, I guess you could aim for an economy like Venezuela or Scotland.

So, without business to generate tax, where does the money come from for your damp-dream socialist state ?

oh, that's right, you think "someone else pays - it doesn't matter who, it will be someone else"
Removed
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03/03/2021 14:47:39 41 83
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Half disagree with you.

Doctors + Nurses yes, NHS no.

Key infrastructure yes, key workers no.

I'm sorry but shelf stockers are not a valuable resource. They can be automated tomorrow. Since self scan checkouts were brought in they've been dead-walking as far as employment goes.

Unfortunate truth.
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03/03/2021 14:48:16 37 8
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I'm not sure that wealthy influences want a return to normal, given how much money they have gained while the economy was heavily regulated. Of course, it depends on sector but, in general, more powerful people have more to gain from more rules, because they are usually the ones making them
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03/03/2021 15:08:34 56 64
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The 'UK media' will NEVER challange the Right, they will go to town on anyone who is not Right wing however.

Fear factor...Boris bounce go together.

England I have no respect for you for giving this man such a big majority. The Rich will only get Richer when they should be contributing significantly more.

Well done Red Wall.. NOT.
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03/03/2021 15:10:51 32 9
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I agree that the economy needs to be inclusive not exclusive, no one working should not be able to get a home and yet we see many people need help to get a home, whilst the government targets those who can afford homes by introducing help to buy schemes or now the 95% mortgage, this is all about keeping house prices high, the government needs to help the 20% on low pay who cannot buy a home
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03/03/2021 15:18:26 18 14
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The pandemic and Furlough is the socialist wet dream isn't it.

Bringing everybody down to the lowest common denominator, getting rid of individuality, success and the ability to work hard, earn more and spend more.

Furlough is a temporary necessity with forced closure, to avoid what would otherwise be jobseeker benefits, and that's it.
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03/03/2021 15:22:23 12 3
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Well living within means is a good start. Oddly enough even at historically low rates of interest (on savings) more people now have a rainy day nest egg. We need to be a greener economy consuming less and changing what we buy has a part to play in that. If imports become more expensive, that will help too.

Tackling the issue of low pay/in-work benefits (i.e. subsidising business) also needed.
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03/03/2021 15:24:37 8 2
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All our people are "really essential"
It COULD be argued that those who do not wish to work are the ones who are NOT essential.
It also could be argued that those who provide us with employment, those that spend 27 yrs of their lives studying get degrees and then generate wealth are mor essential than the rest of us???
Who is to say?
There however should be some restrictions upon the greed in us
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Meh
03/03/2021 15:26:46 5 1
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Most companies aren’t ‘essential’, how can we repair the economy if we aren’t going to buy from and support private businesses (big and small?).

Covid has shown how much we can save when the things we spend money on are stripped away by force. If we go back to any sort of normality, people will go back to spending money on the things which make them happy, don’t see too much wrong with this.
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03/03/2021 15:31:46 13 9
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You're 100% right. The pandemic experience has been vastly different across society and we really weren't 'all in this together'. From income security to death rates, the baked-in inequality that has resulted from Tory Austerity is stark. It cannot go back to business as usual.
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03/03/2021 15:40:24 1 0
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Such as?
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03/03/2021 15:41:43 9 7
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I would suggest that Covid has merely proven that we are vastly over populated, the country is full, the infrastructure is at breaking point
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03/03/2021 15:44:32 6 9
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So, 'ordinary people' voted for Brexit which will help us remain poorer indefinately. In the long run that has a FAR bigger effect on our economy.
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03/03/2021 15:56:03 3 3
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And then wonder why the next Conservative majority is over 100 seats! The voters of the UK don't want radical change.
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03/03/2021 16:05:38 2 5
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The UK population needs to get a grip on the present reality and stop dreaming about the past. We are an old partly senile dog as far as the rest of the world is concerned. A senile bulldog.
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03/03/2021 14:41:05 6 12
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Very predictable budget. Increase Corporation Tax on big profits at a time when large companies will find it hard to relocate during a global pandemic. Income Tax increase by stealth through freezing of bands, just as expected.
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03/03/2021 14:48:25 7 1
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It can’t be that stealthy as it’s been on the news for the last 5 days.
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03/03/2021 14:41:14 17 21
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Rishi is spot on, again.
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03/03/2021 14:42:08 9 9
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Stop looking in the mirror, Rishi.
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03/03/2021 14:41:23 5 13
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We're still way behind where we would be without this pandemic. It's about time countries take a stand to China and ensure they pay for the mess they've caused.

In the meantime, lets get the country open again as soon as the most vulnerable are vaccinated. We cannot continue like this.
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03/03/2021 14:44:39 8 0
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I don't recall America ever repaying the world after the Spanish Flu pandemic, which originated there.....Or Swine Flu, which also originated either in North or South America......
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03/03/2021 14:41:23 16 23
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Why has the pension triple lock been left untouched by the budget?

Looks like young people picking up the tab for the Boomers' benefit yet again
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03/03/2021 14:47:03 13 3
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Boomers benefitting yet again? Did you see the state of our country in the 70s and 80s? My parents were brought up with an outdoor toilet and my dad got his face filled in at Orgreave. Not sure how my life is harder.

Although saying that your family probably didn't have to live through the shambles of those decades from your middle class leafy home in the suburbs of the South East...
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03/03/2021 14:47:20 8 2
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It’ll keep your mind off racism and gender identity for a while.
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03/03/2021 14:50:24 10 2
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"boomers" are not receiving state pension, yet.
None are eligible - state pension will be available to those over 68. That's about 10 years away for most "boomers"

Ah, you are confusing private pensions (nothing to do with the state or "triple lock") with State pensions.

But then again, you are probably 13 years old, and clearly haven't a clue.
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03/03/2021 15:59:25 0 0
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Boomers vote conservatively.
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03/03/2021 14:41:24 16 21
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The government has no intention to actually raise corporation tax on it's Tory donor friends.

The real plan is to claim some world-beating, historic, made-in-Britain recovery has taken place before 2023 and then cancel the planned increase.

It's a pity because the money is needed now but gesture politics are more important to the populists.
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03/03/2021 14:45:05 7 3
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He also knows that many companies will have big losses from the Covid years that they will carry forward to offset future profits. By the time they've used those losses up, there will be a lower CT rate once again - like magic!
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03/03/2021 14:45:32 2 0
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It will, but after the next general election, when they're in power again, and tax goes up across the board.
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03/03/2021 14:41:41 16 18
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We're supposed be guided by the data. If it keeps improving, no reason to wait nearly 4 months to fully open up the economy. We have a vaccine advantage over the EU - let's make the most of it!
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03/03/2021 14:45:33 6 2
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Still too many new infections in the community at the moment, need to get this down further and more people jabbed to avoid yet another surge in the R rate when we start to open up again.

Government strategy seems about right here. We now know the vaccines are indeed effective so it’s just a question of waiting for more to be jabbed.
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03/03/2021 14:51:03 2 1
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How many people have caught covid after vaccination? This should be included in the daily stats
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03/03/2021 14:43:32 1 1
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agree that is real world data runs ahead of the models used to make the decisions on dates then the dates should be brought forward and the models re-worked using the latest data.
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03/03/2021 14:42:05 310 96
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I for one will be spending as much as I can in pubs when they reopen. Really looking forward to it. And a well earned holiday or two.
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03/03/2021 14:49:40 224 88
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Waiting for the ban brigade to arrive and call you selfish for wanting to enjoy your life
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03/03/2021 14:46:30 41 3
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totally agree; I think hospitally will rush back when we are allowed to go back out and eat and drink etc. Everyone has the desire and the money to spend.
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03/03/2021 15:01:29 7 13
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On no you won't . . . . . . ;-)
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03/03/2021 15:06:31 46 2
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I second that! Cannot wait!!! Let's open up and get going again! As a single person I can't wait to meet friends again and hug family.
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03/03/2021 15:06:11 46 17
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Amen to that! Just said the same myself!

Only the lockdown-loving friendless hermits will down-vote your comment.

Their curtain-twitching hobby has a best-before date now.
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03/03/2021 15:07:31 43 7
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I have basically informed my parents that at the earliest opportunity, we will dropping off our 6 and 2 year old round theirs for a weekend, so myself and my wife can spend a day in the pub drinking pints and watching football. The more crowded the pub the better. My rents thought it was a fantastic idea!
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03/03/2021 15:15:48 18 1
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Excellent. We will be enjoying ourselves as much as possible with you ! ! !
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Rob
03/03/2021 15:19:10 44 6
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Just wait for the social media 'Karens' to kick off moaning on FB after walking past a pub with people legally enjoying them selves. I have a week off in July and hope much of that will be spent sitting in a pub garden and on day trips with friends without masks and social distancing. Bring it on.
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03/03/2021 15:35:04 2 30
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So you are the ones who then demand the NHS pick up the tag for your alcohol misuse.

People who abuse alcohol and I enjoy a couple of pints myself should be denied treatment on the NHS.
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03/03/2021 15:37:05 1 11
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Well of you go abroad make sure you do so after that countries society have had the vaccine.
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03/03/2021 15:46:13 4 21
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‘I for one will be spending as much as I can in pubs when they reopen.’

And then in later life, in hospital with liver failure!
Enjoy!
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03/03/2021 15:56:24 0 3
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Outside the UK? In meanie EU?
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03/03/2021 15:57:48 7 0
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Yep. There is nothing like a good cask ale after a hard days work!
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03/03/2021 16:09:47 4 1
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Well done you must be a hard working key worker like myself
03/03/2021 16:29:08 1 0
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I'm with you Orange, well not exactly WITH you but, you get the drift don't you lol
03/03/2021 16:35:36 2 4
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I for one will not be returning.
Found it much, much cheaper to drink at home at only one third of the cost.
Money saved is going into the holiday pot for 2022.
03/03/2021 16:43:04 9 0
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Me too. Have got route planned for dog walk on 12th April. Involves passing (or not) a boozer or two.
Its the dog that can't go past an open pub.
03/03/2021 16:48:29 3 0
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Mines a pint of Shires .. thanks.

In fact .. make that 2 .. then you won't have to go up to the bar again ... we will still need to keep social interaction down a bit. Otherwise we might get a "Spoons variant".

03/03/2021 16:50:04 1 0
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Me too!
DP
03/03/2021 17:58:03 0 0
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Likewise....
03/03/2021 17:59:21 1 2
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I'll there with you, maybe not in the same pub, but I'll be in some den of iniquity somewhere. July 2021 was my last proper pint. It's been far too long!

And boo-hiss to anyone calling me selfish for wanting a pint with my pals, I've had the damn virus and yet I still mask up when out and mostly isolate otherwise, I've already lost a year of my life, so knickers to the doom and gloom mob.
03/03/2021 18:08:52 0 0
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Excellent, I look forward to receiving the benefit of the taxes you will pay.
JPK
03/03/2021 18:11:39 1 0
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Up for a pint or two. Just as long the revolution starts as soon as the pub closes.
03/03/2021 18:36:37 1 2
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'...a well earned holiday or two'. You have been sat at home for over a year being paid by the tax payer!!
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03/03/2021 14:41:14 17 21
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Rishi is spot on, again.
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03/03/2021 14:42:08 9 9
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Stop looking in the mirror, Rishi.
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03/03/2021 14:42:09 38 34
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I can't see the economy bouncing back quickly. Unemployment is soaring. Lots of companies have closed down. Prices will go up and many people won't have as much money to pay for things.
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03/03/2021 14:54:01 12 36
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This Gov't successfully shut down virtually all debate from the day they decided to follow the CCP's covid response.
They got away with it, because the MSM either agreed with it (most crucially the BBC) or didn't want to rock the Tory boat .
As a result they have been able to spin a false narrative and deliver this populist Budget which fiddles while our economy, democracy & society burn.
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03/03/2021 14:45:39 8 3
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unemployment is hardly soaring, it was at record low levels before COVID hit and even now are much lower than the EU. Remember furlough is not the same as unemployed. The trick I think he has pulled off is ensuring conditions are right so that all those on furlough comes straight back to work.
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03/03/2021 15:09:27 6 2
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Unemployment in the hospitality sector is misleading.
Even if, worst case, the businesses fail, the demand will be there.
Someone else will buy-up the bricks-and-mortar (Hotels, Restaurants, Bars/Pubs, Leisure facilities), and quickly put them back into use - and then employing the same level of people that lost their job through closure in the first place.
The business owners lose out, not staff
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03/03/2021 15:59:44 3 1
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Unemployment is still nearly half what it was when Labour left office and our population has increased by 5 million!
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03/03/2021 14:42:15 22 19
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He can say what he likes but I'll believe it when I see it.
I don't think anything is evident yet.
There are whole sectors of industry, like aviation, that will take years to recover.

What is clear is that he is tempering tax rises until after the next general election, then wallop! . . . . because he won't have a choice.
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03/03/2021 14:47:13 13 7
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The same as Gordon brown did who said he would be prudent and balance the books over the life of the parliament, then changed his mind to over the economic cycle. He also promised no more boom and busts. He was correct he ended any boom but had the biggest ever bust in 2010 until the virus struck.
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03/03/2021 14:40:12 533 156
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The economy doesn’t just need fixing, it needs radical reform. Covid has shown all that’s wrong with how we were living before, who's really essential to our society and ways to improve going forward.

Wealthy influences want things to return to the past as it worked for them. But it doesn’t work for the rest of us.

We need to start challenging politicians to bring about more positive change.
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03/03/2021 14:42:18 387 321
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It is clear that this pandemic has been an on-going war-drum of the ‘excitable Left’, believing that it will herald a new ‘more socialist’ beginning.

But once things do start returning back to normal, those political imaginings will quickly return to the political wastelands where they rightly belong.
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03/03/2021 14:48:55 129 52
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Isn't it funny that when businesses and people are in turmoil they turn to socialism to bail them out or to help. But when not struggling they continuously attack socialism...

pretty ironic really as without socialism we wouldnt have an NHS and most of our savings would have disappeared during the financial crash in 2008
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03/03/2021 14:52:11 50 26
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How many of those who have so vigorously signalled their virtue throughout this pandemic now willing to put their hand in their pocket to help the country’s finances?

Anyone?……[tumbleweed]
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03/03/2021 15:16:50 16 6
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Without the NHS, we'd be a lot further away from "normal" - look to the US "free market" in health for evidence. In addition, worrying about short term loss (truly capitalist) has resulted in a death rate in the top three globally (1st, 2nd or 3rd depending on source). Capitalism and Conservatism is good for the good times. It takes societal action and public services to deal with the bad.
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03/03/2021 15:17:21 15 6
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Or to put it another way, people will go back to being selfish.
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03/03/2021 15:27:29 12 0
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Good job Bevan didn't listen to you when he set up the NHS after the disaster of WWII
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03/03/2021 15:30:10 10 5
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Only a rich Oap/tory could say this,you just don't learn
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03/03/2021 15:42:52 6 1
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You're right there. What this pandemic has shown is that a lot of people like socialist policies when they need them themselves, but aren't so keen when they don't.
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03/03/2021 15:45:38 6 9
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It won't return to normal: despite the covid smokescreen of the last 12 months we have Brexit to thank for major damage to our economy forever.
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03/03/2021 15:53:56 3 1
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Your view of this world, yes we live on a planet, is twisted and stupid, if you believe this is the best humans can do then you are one sad deluded excuse.
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03/03/2021 15:56:13 3 1
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When newspapers are screaming "Get Back To Work Or Lose Your Job!" because the economy depends on workers buying coffee and sandwiches, you really do have to wonder whether, structurally speaking, the economy is stable or sustainable.
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03/03/2021 16:09:43 4 2
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So socialism when things get bad - big firms coming to gov for handouts and capitalism when things are ok. And big business doesn’t pay back?
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03/03/2021 14:42:32 249 48
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This is all beginning to sound like John Major's famous Green Shoots of Recovery speech. You can't base your economy on people borrowing money & go on a spending spree especially when so much of what is bought is manufactured abroad & imported into the UK. The Government needs to get behind British Manufacturing; do like USA & make companies who want to sell goods in UK manufacture it here.
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03/03/2021 14:53:33 202 273
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It's 40 years too late to do that. You can't blame the EU either. It was Thatcher's fault. She was a Tory, you know.
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03/03/2021 14:57:26 21 4
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There probably is a pent-up demand - still a lot of people can't wait to be able to go out and spend. This is totally different from a "recession" where the demand is basically on the floor.
Only time will tell, but many think there will be a big take off.
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03/03/2021 14:57:51 19 7
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People need to buy the goods, and want to buy the goods.
British Leyland springs to mind . . . . . . . Something in mustard with brown vinyl seats for sir . . . . .?
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03/03/2021 15:04:13 8 2
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Problem then is you have to import the raw materials, find a market for potentially higher cost products, none of which would fit ion with a 'green' agenda needed.

Only way forward for households is to buy less as costs rise.
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Bob
03/03/2021 15:07:06 10 3
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Except that isn't what USA does either, no matter what Trump said or wanted.
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03/03/2021 15:25:42 10 0
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Contrary to all the doom merchants' ideas, there are actually all kinds of inventive and enterprising people all over the UK making all sorts of things. And yes, the government should get behind them.
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03/03/2021 15:43:22 3 0
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Indeed and stop importing goods which are only fit for landfil from China
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03/03/2021 15:46:30 4 1
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Certainly not, especially if what they do is borrow money to buy houses or German cars. We NEED to kill house prices so we stop converting factories into housing development and start to invest in manufacturing HERE in the UK. We ALSO need to stop the civil servants spending tax payers money on German cars, American planes etc. BUY BRITISH even if you have to build the factory to do so!
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03/03/2021 15:52:12 0 0
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Very practical and sound!
745
03/03/2021 15:55:04 3 0
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I agree with the sentiment of make and trade in the UK. The world needs to do something about the gigantic corporations who's tax bills are no where large enough for the sales / profits they make globally.
03/03/2021 16:35:52 0 0
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Just a point of order but wasn’t it Norman Lamont who gave the speech?
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03/03/2021 14:42:42 111 15
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Every Chancellor seeks to reboot the economy, and unless there is an end to short termism governed by the electoral cycle, there will never be jam tomorrow.
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03/03/2021 15:16:02 69 26
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Jam is coming in 50 years time according Jacob Rees-Mogg, time for Sixtus's children/grand-children to benefit.
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dai
03/03/2021 15:46:34 3 0
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I'd prefer jazz. Or maybe heavy rock. come to think, yes heavy rock. There will be heavy rock tomorrow.
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03/03/2021 14:42:57 13 15
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Just imagine John McDonnell trying to sort out the Covid economic mess while waiving his little red book around at the Dispatch Box. Dodged a bullet there.
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03/03/2021 14:44:54 3 0
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Why waste time imagining irrelevant rubbish....
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03/03/2021 14:46:33 2 0
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He waved the book to try to get George Osborne not to sell the country to China following their state visit the previous month

Osborne sold it anyway
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03/03/2021 14:39:48 25 26
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We'll certainly recover faster than the rest of Europe.
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03/03/2021 14:43:03 10 10
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Why? Because waving your plastic Union Jack and singing Rule Britannia makes the money tree grow quicker?
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03/03/2021 14:47:42 3 2
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Maybe, but it's rapid roll out of the vaccine that puts us way ahead in when we can end all restrictions.
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03/03/2021 14:43:37 3 10
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Excellent budget. Will help to get our economy back on track as soon as possible.
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03/03/2021 14:46:41 7 2
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I thought you said we were already booming, spending our Brexit dividend on another golden unicorn to roam the sunlit uplands?
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03/03/2021 14:43:54 16 15
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Labour, Blah, Blah, Blah, BBC doom and gloom
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03/03/2021 14:39:10 24 32
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Good luck getting fishing businesses to pay 25% tax
They've all gone bust thanks to Brexit
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03/03/2021 14:43:57 8 6
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Have they? Not heard of any that have gone bankrupt yet. Good news is morrisons has taken over falfish the Cornish fish wholesaler. Morrisons is also promoting British fish. Will be much greener and more efficient to sell fish in the UK rather than send it Spain and France where all the restaurants are closed anyway.
03/03/2021 20:15:58 0 0
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Haven't you heard? They're all closed over here as well!!!!
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03/03/2021 14:44:16 0 6
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Raising corporation tax on large employers is a good way to stop recruitment and ensure big employers pare their fte headcount. Not sure how helpful that will be.
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03/03/2021 14:44:18 5 5
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The young have suffered more than enough for the benefit of the very old. Time to shake things up, get back to work, get back to play, and get back to prioritising our nation's future.

I would have done things very differently, but, not going to dwell on that. What's done is done. Let's build a better world for ourselves, and our children's sake.
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03/03/2021 14:48:07 5 0
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Twas ever thus and the very old suffered greatly for the benefit of the young. As you say time to refocus on what really matters and stop whining about how unfair life can be. Unfortunately life has always been capable of knocking you down. You just have to get back up and carry on doing what you think is the right thing to do for your family and for others.
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03/03/2021 14:51:00 2 0
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Who exactly is going to pay for their old age? Nice to know you clearly don't think us tired nhs staff have suffered enough
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03/03/2021 14:44:21 13 14
bbc
He 'raised' the income tax threshold by 70 quid just so he couldn't be accused of freezing it, but really he has. What will you do with that extra £14 next year.
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03/03/2021 14:49:41 3 16
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I wished he would have raised all tax bands by 10% and had it put into law The extra 10% goes directly to the NHS. But people like you who go on about protecting the NHS would be on the streets protesting about the rise
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03/03/2021 14:59:58 2 4
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It isn’t an extra £14.

Once you’ve taken inflation into account you’re actually worse off.

Which is why it is being described as taxation by stealth.
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03/03/2021 15:01:26 4 0
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I'm going to buy you a new dunces hat.
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03/03/2021 15:05:28 2 0
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Yes, he raised the bands and then froze them, yet the BBC labels this as a tax rise? No it isn’t, if you earn more then you pay more tax accordingly, but if your wage stays the same, you do not!
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03/03/2021 15:06:43 0 0
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AS Much as I despise the Tories the inflation rate for last year was about 0.6% so it should have been about a £75 increase.
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03/03/2021 14:39:48 25 26
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We'll certainly recover faster than the rest of Europe.
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03/03/2021 14:44:24 6 4
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We have a bigger drop to recover from.
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03/03/2021 14:49:26 5 5
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Remember, we don't have to fund the EU any more. Their the ones in trouble with a growing hole in their budget. We will recover much quicker.
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03/03/2021 14:44:29 107 68
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A well balanced budget with few surprises. Debt reduction will be spread over decades. You would think Labour should be running rings around the Tories after ten years in power. With such a socialist chancellor it’s difficult for Starmer’s party to make any impact or ever win a majority. With the successful vaccine roll-out, an 80 seat majority and delivering Brexit, Boris is high in the polls.
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03/03/2021 15:00:28 64 74
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And long may it stay that way.
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03/03/2021 15:03:10 27 15
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LOL you forgot the 130,000 dead on Boris's watch the worse economic figures on Boris's watch, unemployment out of control. Oh and the national debt past two trillion, and rising. You seem easily pleased. That clown has taken the Great out of Britain.
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03/03/2021 16:15:47 1 2
bbc
I thought social was bad?
03/03/2021 17:21:02 4 1
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People are so fickle. We are so deep in it it is unreal. Who else in the world is in full lockdown after months, we have the worst rates of everything in the World, yet because they have pushed out an untested vaccine ahead of more cautious counties the whole thing is a shining success!
03/03/2021 18:06:20 2 0
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Well the vaccine rollout is not Boris's doing is it?
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03/03/2021 14:44:29 19 17
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Housing and hospitality to get £Billions

STEM to get £Millions

Short term thinking strikes again
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03/03/2021 15:00:09 5 11
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The Tories get millions in donations from property tycoons, but not a lot from scientists. They know who they need to keep happy!
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03/03/2021 16:06:50 0 0
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2 points;

Housing and hospitality will generate tax take quickly.
STEM skills can be imported, hence the reason a special visa system has been set up.
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03/03/2021 14:44:29 106 37
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dodds on tv now, wife has no interest in politics and has just said this person has not answered a single question
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03/03/2021 14:51:39 87 20
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Yep, that’ll be Doddsy!
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03/03/2021 14:53:24 18 1
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always laugh when dodds is on tv, nearly as funny as ken dodd
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03/03/2021 14:58:13 8 22
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Just like Bozo.
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03/03/2021 15:34:42 17 5
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She is incapable of answering a question. Always deflects with an attack on what others are doing. Useless
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03/03/2021 15:58:18 9 12
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just like any politician. Bungler Johnson is a world best at that. he just ignores them. That's why the public gave up on watching the dribble he spoke from No.10.
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03/03/2021 16:06:44 13 7
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Dodds would be out of her depth in a paddling pool. She is an academic, a waffler. Rishi has done it for real and made real money too!
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03/03/2021 16:15:45 4 1
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So neither labour or tories answering anything then, not going to be a very informative time.
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03/03/2021 16:17:18 6 2
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I can't tell if you are complimenting her political abilities or slating her :)

I don't even remember the last time a politician didn't duck a question. Or even bothered to hide that they were doing so.
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03/03/2021 14:41:23 5 13
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We're still way behind where we would be without this pandemic. It's about time countries take a stand to China and ensure they pay for the mess they've caused.

In the meantime, lets get the country open again as soon as the most vulnerable are vaccinated. We cannot continue like this.
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03/03/2021 14:44:39 8 0
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I don't recall America ever repaying the world after the Spanish Flu pandemic, which originated there.....Or Swine Flu, which also originated either in North or South America......
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03/03/2021 15:04:36 0 0
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I believe Swine flu was Central America.
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03/03/2021 15:49:07 2 1
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Yes, the "Spanish 'Flu" label was a real humdinger of an example of deflection, given the there is no real doubt that it originated in the USA.
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03/03/2021 14:44:49 8 15
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Despite the absolute shambles of an initial response to C19, the vaccination drive has been absolutely phenomenal.

Also, Rishi looks like a leader in waiting - here's to hoping Boris steps down and makes way for someone who talks a bit of sense for the next election?
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03/03/2021 14:50:10 1 4
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Spot on
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03/03/2021 14:59:39 1 1
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Only a very small percentage have been fully vaccinated. But just doing one does produces good headlines.
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03/03/2021 14:44:54 4 8
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It doesn't really matter

If the creditors want their money we don't have it

And we don't look like pretending we're ever going to pay it back either

The interest rates will go up and we'll be in proper trouble

Bankruptcy for the UK is inevitable - one more little shock in the next 20 years will bring the house of cards crashing down and that is almost certain
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03/03/2021 14:48:12 3 0
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Unless we're borrowing in currencies other than sterling, it's not possible for the UK to go bankrupt.
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03/03/2021 14:48:44 0 0
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That's now how government debt works.
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03/03/2021 14:54:26 0 0
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National Debt will never be paid off, paying it off involves taxation and pulling money out of the economy, reducing growth and future profits.
Debt is all about affordability, keep rates below inflation and growth above, this will erode the actual debt.
Before covid UK gov spent 5% of income on debt financing. We need to get back to this level to cope with the next world event.
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03/03/2021 15:48:40 0 0
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Remember Edward Heath days?
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03/03/2021 14:41:24 16 21
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The government has no intention to actually raise corporation tax on it's Tory donor friends.

The real plan is to claim some world-beating, historic, made-in-Britain recovery has taken place before 2023 and then cancel the planned increase.

It's a pity because the money is needed now but gesture politics are more important to the populists.
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03/03/2021 14:45:05 7 3
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He also knows that many companies will have big losses from the Covid years that they will carry forward to offset future profits. By the time they've used those losses up, there will be a lower CT rate once again - like magic!
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03/03/2021 14:45:13 16 19
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Tory budgets always unravel within days. This is a very bad budget for anyone on PAYE, hidden tax rises for the next five years
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03/03/2021 14:50:55 10 3
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Hardly hidden, the media have been talking about the thresholds for days.
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03/03/2021 14:58:09 1 0
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Meanwhile the rich Tories are allowed to keep their tax havens.
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03/03/2021 15:03:30 1 0
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Hidden? I thought he was pretty clear that the tax thresholds on PAYE were going to be frozen, and it was already reported in several places.
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03/03/2021 14:41:24 16 21
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The government has no intention to actually raise corporation tax on it's Tory donor friends.

The real plan is to claim some world-beating, historic, made-in-Britain recovery has taken place before 2023 and then cancel the planned increase.

It's a pity because the money is needed now but gesture politics are more important to the populists.
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03/03/2021 14:45:32 2 0
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It will, but after the next general election, when they're in power again, and tax goes up across the board.
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03/03/2021 14:41:41 16 18
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We're supposed be guided by the data. If it keeps improving, no reason to wait nearly 4 months to fully open up the economy. We have a vaccine advantage over the EU - let's make the most of it!
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03/03/2021 14:45:33 6 2
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Still too many new infections in the community at the moment, need to get this down further and more people jabbed to avoid yet another surge in the R rate when we start to open up again.

Government strategy seems about right here. We now know the vaccines are indeed effective so it’s just a question of waiting for more to be jabbed.
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03/03/2021 14:51:09 1 2
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New infections are irrelevant if the vaccine works to reduce death and hospitalisation; are you suggesting we aim for zero cases or are you saying the vaccine doesn't actually work?
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03/03/2021 14:45:42 12 11
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As an OAP, I shall not be spending to help the economy. As I predicted yesterday in HYS, the Chancellor never mentioned OAPs or the elderly at all. We do not exist. Personal Allowances frozen and that is on top of the Higher Personal Allowance for the over 65s being abolished ten years ago. It was 45% more than the single Personal Allowance. I shall leave everything to a cat charity.
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03/03/2021 14:47:28 4 1
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Cat charities are indeed part of the economy like everything else
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03/03/2021 14:48:29 0 3
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Pensioners have a higher disposable income than those in work, next.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38948369
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03/03/2021 14:51:00 1 6
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Charming. Is it any wonder that the Boomers will go down in history as the most selfish generation in British history!

After all the sacrifice that has been made for the over 65s, it is high time for you to give something back
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03/03/2021 14:54:18 2 1
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I am an OAP My pension is going up April by more than both inflation and average earnings . At least 2.5% increase.
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03/03/2021 14:52:58 0 2
bbc
So you are going on hunger strike? Food shopping is helping the economy .
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03/03/2021 15:05:57 0 1
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The older people in my family are all set to spend, spend, spend the money they saved in lockdown and mostly on the our youngsters.

Perhaps you are a statistical anomaly ??
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03/03/2021 15:07:29 0 0
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You must have some pension to worry about Higher Personal allowance. Civil servant??
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03/03/2021 16:23:33 0 0
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Animal charities are better value, less CEOs on the take. More money goes to the cause.

Less fat cats, if you'll pardon the pun.
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03/03/2021 14:45:45 152 21
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The hardest recovery will hit office/service based jobs along with hospitality and the arts.

Contrary to what many think, health and social care, manufacturing, construction, utilities services haven't actually stopped because these jobs cannot be done from home.

The economy is already quite active; there's no reason upon reopening it wouldn't recover quickly.
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03/03/2021 15:08:44 49 189
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Rishi missed a trick in not upping VAT on internet sales and dropping them for the high street - it's the only way to really stimulate the retail sector.

Likewise he should have upped Income Tax for anyone working from home to compensate for list revenue to the transport and hospitality sectors.
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03/03/2021 15:24:27 4 2
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We all hope the vaccine will end the pandemic, I feel that the pandemic has more to say yet, it will be with us for many, many years, what we do now may determine what happens in the future, I am too old to worry to much, but people need to remember what has happened during this pandemic and prepare for the next world disease to go pandemic and hope its only as bad or less as the present one
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03/03/2021 15:46:44 2 6
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BREXIT!
03/03/2021 18:20:00 1 1
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Rubbish, it's retail. Too many people have now had a taste of online shopping, almost exclusively, for a year, a lot of them simply won't go back.

Pandemic has accelerate the shape of our high street's.
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03/03/2021 14:45:45 24 26
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Sunak raises income tax and skims over tax avoidance.

An Evil Tory making the tax payer pay....for his stupidity.

Meanwhile his super-rich tax avoiding masters walk away smiling.
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03/03/2021 14:52:33 8 7
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No income rate or NI tax rises this year or any year in the future, did you not listen to the budget .
Unlike labour who promised not to raise income but promptly raised NI which is paid on income.
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03/03/2021 14:58:47 2 1
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That's what tories do best, always have, always will. Yet muppets still vote for em.
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03/03/2021 15:03:23 0 1
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lol. Well you got that all wrong didn't you. Well done.
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03/03/2021 15:07:02 0 1
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And who do you think creates jobs?
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03/03/2021 14:46:09 15 13
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Based on what exactly?

People are relying too much on a preconception that spending will go back to normal after covid but it really wont.
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03/03/2021 14:48:18 6 3
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i agree it will rise
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03/03/2021 14:56:13 0 1
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The poor will pay while the rich transfer all their gains into their tax havens.
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03/03/2021 14:59:23 1 2
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Oooo, you're so clever and of course no-one in the civil service has your insight, perhaps you should apply to join the Office for Budget Responsibility and tell where they are going wrong.
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03/03/2021 15:06:56 0 0
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In all likelihood it will spike above normal then recede to expected norms. Based on stated intentions of both business investment and private demand modelling. Both are normally pretty accurate benchmarks of future spending models. You'd know that though being in business and all..
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03/03/2021 14:46:30 31 22
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No green shoots speech just an honest speech and budget proposal from one of the best chancellors in my lifetime. Left Starmer floundering and grasping at straws. As for Dodds LOL.
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03/03/2021 14:50:02 19 6
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Starmer could not even let Dodds reply. The shadow chancellor always replied to the budget, not the leader of the opposition. Why was she gagged?
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03/03/2021 14:52:34 1 2
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ha ha ha ha ha !
Honest . . . . . . . . . . . hilarious!!
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03/03/2021 14:57:25 1 2
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Most of the government 'support' coming from people criticizing Labour MPs who didn't have input to the budget.
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03/03/2021 15:04:41 5 2
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Totally agree. Sir Kier left with nothing constructive to say.
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03/03/2021 14:39:48 25 26
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We'll certainly recover faster than the rest of Europe.
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03/03/2021 14:46:33 5 4
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Well we have fallen a lot further, so we will need to
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03/03/2021 14:39:10 24 32
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Good luck getting fishing businesses to pay 25% tax
They've all gone bust thanks to Brexit
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03/03/2021 14:46:41 4 1
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But I thought brexit was going swimmingly? (pun intended)
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03/03/2021 14:43:37 3 10
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Excellent budget. Will help to get our economy back on track as soon as possible.
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03/03/2021 14:46:41 7 2
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I thought you said we were already booming, spending our Brexit dividend on another golden unicorn to roam the sunlit uplands?
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03/03/2021 14:46:59 11 10
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£4 billion a year sounds a lot doesn't it? In reality it is just about enough to pay the state pension at 2017 levels for one week. Austerity has been proven not to work and the only way to increase the size of the economy international exports all but ceased to exist in the 31st of December(and that is before the full impact caused by the checks that the UK isn't doing hits)
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03/03/2021 15:57:32 1 1
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Plus exporters like myself have been well and truly stuffed by the draconian foreign travel restraints which serve little purpose. It is the testing, scanning and follow up of incoming people whether from France, the US, Australia or Brazil. Once again the Govt got it so wrong. Same as not enforcing the rules when they first started so the Police were wrongfooted and everyone saw them as a joke.
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03/03/2021 14:41:23 16 23
bbc
Why has the pension triple lock been left untouched by the budget?

Looks like young people picking up the tab for the Boomers' benefit yet again
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03/03/2021 14:47:03 13 3
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Boomers benefitting yet again? Did you see the state of our country in the 70s and 80s? My parents were brought up with an outdoor toilet and my dad got his face filled in at Orgreave. Not sure how my life is harder.

Although saying that your family probably didn't have to live through the shambles of those decades from your middle class leafy home in the suburbs of the South East...
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03/03/2021 14:42:15 22 19
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He can say what he likes but I'll believe it when I see it.
I don't think anything is evident yet.
There are whole sectors of industry, like aviation, that will take years to recover.

What is clear is that he is tempering tax rises until after the next general election, then wallop! . . . . because he won't have a choice.
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03/03/2021 14:47:13 13 7
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The same as Gordon brown did who said he would be prudent and balance the books over the life of the parliament, then changed his mind to over the economic cycle. He also promised no more boom and busts. He was correct he ended any boom but had the biggest ever bust in 2010 until the virus struck.
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03/03/2021 15:08:47 2 1
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Uh oh, do you realise that engaging in 'whataboutery' just shows you've lost the argument. I mean, Gordon Brown was in power 10 years ago - surely the current government should be judged on their actions not those of someone long out of power?
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03/03/2021 15:18:32 2 2
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And section 5 / Fig 1 shows how the Conservatives have performed even with their austerity cuts in place.

And then to abandon their biggest trading market, absolute madness.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicspending/bulletins/ukgovernmentdebtanddeficitforeurostatmaast/december2018
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03/03/2021 14:47:16 130 53
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Good Budget for the current situation,
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03/03/2021 16:16:28 35 29
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Really!! Throw more money at the already dying high St & pubs that were already closing and stuff the supply chain who have had no support by means of business rate holidays & grants I know a LOT of pub owners & they were already doing another job like building or taxi driving & have take all this support while carrying on working as usual & take COVID loans on the pub that will never be repaid
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03/03/2021 14:41:23 16 23
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Why has the pension triple lock been left untouched by the budget?

Looks like young people picking up the tab for the Boomers' benefit yet again
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03/03/2021 14:47:20 8 2
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It’ll keep your mind off racism and gender identity for a while.
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03/03/2021 14:45:42 12 11
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As an OAP, I shall not be spending to help the economy. As I predicted yesterday in HYS, the Chancellor never mentioned OAPs or the elderly at all. We do not exist. Personal Allowances frozen and that is on top of the Higher Personal Allowance for the over 65s being abolished ten years ago. It was 45% more than the single Personal Allowance. I shall leave everything to a cat charity.
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03/03/2021 14:47:28 4 1
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Cat charities are indeed part of the economy like everything else
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03/03/2021 14:40:12 533 156
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The economy doesn’t just need fixing, it needs radical reform. Covid has shown all that’s wrong with how we were living before, who's really essential to our society and ways to improve going forward.

Wealthy influences want things to return to the past as it worked for them. But it doesn’t work for the rest of us.

We need to start challenging politicians to bring about more positive change.
Well, I guess you could aim for an economy like Venezuela or Scotland.

So, without business to generate tax, where does the money come from for your damp-dream socialist state ?

oh, that's right, you think "someone else pays - it doesn't matter who, it will be someone else"
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03/03/2021 16:10:14 0 0
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Or like Zimbabwe
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03/03/2021 14:40:12 533 156
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The economy doesn’t just need fixing, it needs radical reform. Covid has shown all that’s wrong with how we were living before, who's really essential to our society and ways to improve going forward.

Wealthy influences want things to return to the past as it worked for them. But it doesn’t work for the rest of us.

We need to start challenging politicians to bring about more positive change.
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03/03/2021 14:47:39 41 83
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Half disagree with you.

Doctors + Nurses yes, NHS no.

Key infrastructure yes, key workers no.

I'm sorry but shelf stockers are not a valuable resource. They can be automated tomorrow. Since self scan checkouts were brought in they've been dead-walking as far as employment goes.

Unfortunate truth.
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03/03/2021 15:07:56 43 4
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In other words you're under qualified to be a shelf stacker.
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03/03/2021 15:14:23 11 7
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Arrogant nonsense Go to a supermarket 20 years from now and you'll still find people doing the jobs arrogant people think they're too good to do period
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03/03/2021 15:57:19 1 9
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Doctors and nurses in the UK are among the best paid in the world. They don;t need any more money.
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03/03/2021 16:10:55 0 0
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So you put these on the dole (tax payers money) or you retrain these people ?
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03/03/2021 14:43:03 10 10
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Why? Because waving your plastic Union Jack and singing Rule Britannia makes the money tree grow quicker?
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03/03/2021 14:47:42 3 2
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Maybe, but it's rapid roll out of the vaccine that puts us way ahead in when we can end all restrictions.
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03/03/2021 14:56:26 5 7
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Ah the vaccine, made by a part-Swedish company, authorised to EU standards, manufactured in the EU, part funded by the EU, developed by a multinational team of scientists.

Did you have yours injected into your Union Jack tattoo?
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03/03/2021 14:47:59 2 8
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Yep, 2 week holiday in June all booked up and ready to go! Bring it on
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03/03/2021 14:44:18 5 5
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The young have suffered more than enough for the benefit of the very old. Time to shake things up, get back to work, get back to play, and get back to prioritising our nation's future.

I would have done things very differently, but, not going to dwell on that. What's done is done. Let's build a better world for ourselves, and our children's sake.
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03/03/2021 14:48:07 5 0
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Twas ever thus and the very old suffered greatly for the benefit of the young. As you say time to refocus on what really matters and stop whining about how unfair life can be. Unfortunately life has always been capable of knocking you down. You just have to get back up and carry on doing what you think is the right thing to do for your family and for others.
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03/03/2021 14:44:54 4 8
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It doesn't really matter

If the creditors want their money we don't have it

And we don't look like pretending we're ever going to pay it back either

The interest rates will go up and we'll be in proper trouble

Bankruptcy for the UK is inevitable - one more little shock in the next 20 years will bring the house of cards crashing down and that is almost certain
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03/03/2021 14:48:12 3 0
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Unless we're borrowing in currencies other than sterling, it's not possible for the UK to go bankrupt.
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03/03/2021 14:48:14 9 12
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Why must we pay tax?
I though the Nasty Party Magic Money Tree paid for everything?
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03/03/2021 15:05:28 7 5
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Labour lost the last election or have you just woken up Rip Van Winkle!
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03/03/2021 14:40:12 533 156
bbc
The economy doesn’t just need fixing, it needs radical reform. Covid has shown all that’s wrong with how we were living before, who's really essential to our society and ways to improve going forward.

Wealthy influences want things to return to the past as it worked for them. But it doesn’t work for the rest of us.

We need to start challenging politicians to bring about more positive change.
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03/03/2021 14:48:16 37 8
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I'm not sure that wealthy influences want a return to normal, given how much money they have gained while the economy was heavily regulated. Of course, it depends on sector but, in general, more powerful people have more to gain from more rules, because they are usually the ones making them
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03/03/2021 14:41:05 6 12
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Very predictable budget. Increase Corporation Tax on big profits at a time when large companies will find it hard to relocate during a global pandemic. Income Tax increase by stealth through freezing of bands, just as expected.
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03/03/2021 14:48:25 7 1
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It can’t be that stealthy as it’s been on the news for the last 5 days.
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03/03/2021 14:48:25 12 14
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Chancellor just looking after his own when a massive chunk of tax could be earned by filling all the loopholes and making them pay a fair rate of tax. Has he ever been unemployed does he know the pittance people are given to live on. For the wealth we have here benefits paid by the state are disgraceful . State pension should at least be the same as minumum wage for 35 hour week.
235
03/03/2021 15:04:41 5 4
bbc
What about the 47% of the working population who pay no tax due to increased in personal allowances? If you want fairness then they should be paying more. Stop blasting the 'rich' if you want some investment in the country.
38
03/03/2021 14:45:42 12 11
bbc
As an OAP, I shall not be spending to help the economy. As I predicted yesterday in HYS, the Chancellor never mentioned OAPs or the elderly at all. We do not exist. Personal Allowances frozen and that is on top of the Higher Personal Allowance for the over 65s being abolished ten years ago. It was 45% more than the single Personal Allowance. I shall leave everything to a cat charity.
62
03/03/2021 14:48:29 0 3
bbc
Pensioners have a higher disposable income than those in work, next.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38948369
207
03/03/2021 15:01:31 1 0
bbc
That depends on "generous private pensions", no housing costs and is 5 years out of date. Well done.
63
03/03/2021 14:48:34 14 16
bbc
This is the first budget under Bojo's calamitous reign. I doubt he's read the detail of it.
157
03/03/2021 14:57:00 4 4
bbc
I've got a computer but I haven't read the detail about the Core i chip, does that mean I shouldn't have the computer?
64
03/03/2021 14:48:36 13 8
bbc
Budget 2021: Economy to recover 'six months faster than expected'

*Sigh*,I do wish I was psychic.
103
03/03/2021 14:53:27 3 3
bbc
Expected by whom? It's like Hancock when he says we vaxed 15m people when everybody said we couldn't. No-one ever did doubt it.
106
03/03/2021 14:53:35 1 0
bbc
'six months faster than expected' Eh. I'm not sure what he expected but I suppose he is hoping we all go out to spread it about...............again
33
03/03/2021 14:44:54 4 8
bbc
It doesn't really matter

If the creditors want their money we don't have it

And we don't look like pretending we're ever going to pay it back either

The interest rates will go up and we'll be in proper trouble

Bankruptcy for the UK is inevitable - one more little shock in the next 20 years will bring the house of cards crashing down and that is almost certain
65
03/03/2021 14:48:44 0 0
bbc
That's now how government debt works.
16
03/03/2021 14:42:18 387 321
bbc
It is clear that this pandemic has been an on-going war-drum of the ‘excitable Left’, believing that it will herald a new ‘more socialist’ beginning.

But once things do start returning back to normal, those political imaginings will quickly return to the political wastelands where they rightly belong.
66
03/03/2021 14:48:55 129 52
bbc
Isn't it funny that when businesses and people are in turmoil they turn to socialism to bail them out or to help. But when not struggling they continuously attack socialism...

pretty ironic really as without socialism we wouldnt have an NHS and most of our savings would have disappeared during the financial crash in 2008
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DG
03/03/2021 14:56:02 44 20
bbc
Totally agree....especially as the UK is not really entirely laissez-faire capitalism but mixed socialism and capitalism economy. As for Sunak assessment of "It's going to take this country - and the whole world - a long time to recover"...not really true. Many economy in Asia are already in recovery and even the US are doing better than UK and many in Europe except a very handful such as Spain
315
03/03/2021 15:13:14 20 9
bbc
Ironic though it was the private sector in hand with the public sector that's produced the vaccine, ppe, and the logistics of the rollout. Go figure. No socialist control needed. Partnership works, central command control doesn't.
327
03/03/2021 15:14:09 11 8
bbc
Bailing out wealthy UK bankers with £500 billion is socialism?
615
03/03/2021 15:41:08 13 4
bbc
@"Isn't it funny that when businesses and people are in turmoil they turn to socialism to bail them out or to help"
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Had your vaccine yet?

If it weren't for AstraZeneca, Pfizer, Moderna et al, you'd still be waiting.
665
03/03/2021 15:47:00 6 7
bbc
"without socialism we wouldn't have an NHS"

Not necessarily true. The NHS was conceived in the 1942 Beveridge cross-party report. It just happened to be implemented on Labour's watch in 1948.
908
03/03/2021 16:15:09 2 4
bbc
Nonsense.
It was a Conservative Health Minister who announced the intent to form the NHS in 1944.
In his own words: https://youtu.be/qyjbUK88CB4

Socialised healthcare isn't socialism.
67
03/03/2021 14:48:57 15 13
bbc
That forecast is just random. Based on what? The great brexit and easy trade with our nearest partners! The watertight plan we have in place? The record low debt?
68
03/03/2021 14:49:24 18 21
bbc
The economy would bounce back even quicker if they ended lockdown now that nearly all vulnerable have been vaccinated. Come on.
You moron. Removed
509
03/03/2021 15:30:56 0 0
bbc
I hate to say this but the virus will continue to mutate and if the only people it is living in is the younger people then it is only a matter of time before it either disappears, or starts hurting the young more than it is at present.

for better or worse we will have some restrictions some voluntary as a matter of choice, I do not think pubs, clubs and eateries will ever be the same
27
03/03/2021 14:44:24 6 4
bbc
We have a bigger drop to recover from.
69
03/03/2021 14:49:26 5 5
bbc
Remember, we don't have to fund the EU any more. Their the ones in trouble with a growing hole in their budget. We will recover much quicker.
156
03/03/2021 14:56:57 4 6
bbc
We got out much more than we put in. You never did get that bit.
70
03/03/2021 14:49:27 14 7
bbc
I'm sure Nostrastamas foretold everything.
71
03/03/2021 14:49:32 124 18
bbc
The Chancellor announced 1000 new HMRC investigator jobs, so presumably he is wise in not believing all sole traders need financial help.
385
03/03/2021 15:19:36 127 21
bbc
Or perhaps he's going after the big boys? Silly me. What a daft idea.
448
03/03/2021 15:26:17 19 1
bbc
I hope some of those 1000 investigate the scammers who pretend to be from the HMRC but are really fraudsters.
544
03/03/2021 15:34:53 17 0
bbc
Good turn, there has been loads of fiddling going on during Furlow which will have to be paid back!
612
03/03/2021 15:40:40 16 10
bbc
Do you honestly believe that the relatively modest takings/turnover of a one man band self-employed firm, when most payments are made by card & leave a readily accessible paper trail, really warrants detailed investigation? Or is this just envy because you've never had the guts, skills or motivation to go it alone? Most self-employed folks are not thieves, we actually earn less than wage slaves.
863
03/03/2021 16:12:03 0 0
bbc
Nah he’s making us of his own announcement on the apprenticeship scheme
03/03/2021 17:45:39 4 0
bbc
Sadly I suspect they will be no match for the highly paid tax experts at Amazon etc.
72
03/03/2021 14:49:33 1 7
bbc
Wonder if Amazon and the likes will pay 25% CT or will there profits be suppressed through investment and good accounting. Good to see furlough extended but not universal credit just extending scroungers charter. Interesting aside cabin crew friend at BA should be going back April - but may now be September, time to forget about Summer hols abroad unfortunately.
12
03/03/2021 14:42:05 310 96
bbc
I for one will be spending as much as I can in pubs when they reopen. Really looking forward to it. And a well earned holiday or two.
73
03/03/2021 14:49:40 224 88
bbc
Waiting for the ban brigade to arrive and call you selfish for wanting to enjoy your life
Never mind the "ban" typr, Feta Cheesberg and the kill-joys will want you to take you back to 1500s - be sitting at home on your own in the cold and dark eating nothing but Lentils and Cabbage. Removed
394
03/03/2021 15:20:58 7 17
bbc
Eh, im more concerned that they may be an alcoholic rather than selfish
535
03/03/2021 15:34:04 3 9
bbc
No, he can do what he likes. As long as he is man enough to accept the consequences, and to not whine later on that he can't afford a deposit for a house or (a few yr later) to put clothes on his kids, or (a few decades later) that his pension isn't enough to live on.

Life IS a game of consequences, and statements like his are often markers for people who are only looking one step ahead.
774
03/03/2021 15:58:15 1 9
bbc
What about everyone else and their lives, you're just another brainwashed robot incapable of rational thought, shut up.
TV
03/03/2021 16:37:14 4 2
bbc
Yep, and I'll continue to use Amazon & eBay for many of my daily purchases. Even toothpaste on Amazon for example, cos it's more convenient and cheaper. How they are taxed is not my concern. Plus, the more I get taxed, the less I will spend in UK shops. I save 50%+ of my salary into cash savings, pensions etc which is not up for negotiation with some Eton boy in Govt.
03/03/2021 16:43:29 1 0
bbc
Eh? They said "when [pubs] reopen". Who do you think actually wants to ban pubs?

Nothing to see here, please move along.
74
03/03/2021 14:49:52 4 9
bbc
2 week holiday to Greece booked up for June cant wait!
98
03/03/2021 14:52:39 7 0
bbc
Spending all that furlough money abroad.

Nice
102
03/03/2021 14:53:22 1 0
bbc
I bet the greeks can
104
03/03/2021 14:53:31 2 0
bbc
You'll be lucky Boris told us what we wanted to hear, wait until after local elections in May, also some air crew told may not be returning to work until September.
42
03/03/2021 14:46:30 31 22
bbc
No green shoots speech just an honest speech and budget proposal from one of the best chancellors in my lifetime. Left Starmer floundering and grasping at straws. As for Dodds LOL.
75
03/03/2021 14:50:02 19 6
bbc
Starmer could not even let Dodds reply. The shadow chancellor always replied to the budget, not the leader of the opposition. Why was she gagged?
111
03/03/2021 14:53:59 7 0
bbc
Give Dodds some credit..she’s good at making the tea
482
03/03/2021 15:28:33 3 2
bbc
Simply untrue. The convention is that the Opposition reply to the Chancellor's Budget statement is delivered by the leader of the Opposition.
730
03/03/2021 15:53:35 2 0
bbc
Wrong, convention is that the leader of the opposition leader replies to the budget speech.
76
03/03/2021 14:50:03 6 10
bbc
Rishi 'I want to be honest with you' Sunak . . . . . but I won't.

We'll if he was, he'd tell us we're all knackered and we'll be lucky to pay this off in 25 years, with big hikes in tax, which will come in once we've been re-elected.

Also that with corporation tax increasing 'but still lowest amonst G7 countries' . . . . cue exodus of business to Ireland (not G7) where Corporation Tax is 12.5%.
183
03/03/2021 14:59:39 3 0
bbc
Why has there got to be a timeline to pay off the accumulated debt?Remember we had a national debt of £1.8trn before the pandemic. Why would any company want to move to Eire where payroll tax is nearly 50%? We also haven't seen what other countries will do to pay off their debt. Generally a fair budget though I would have liked all VAT to be reduced to unlock people's savings.
32
03/03/2021 14:44:49 8 15
bbc
Despite the absolute shambles of an initial response to C19, the vaccination drive has been absolutely phenomenal.

Also, Rishi looks like a leader in waiting - here's to hoping Boris steps down and makes way for someone who talks a bit of sense for the next election?
77
03/03/2021 14:50:10 1 4
bbc
Spot on
9
03/03/2021 14:41:23 16 23
bbc
Why has the pension triple lock been left untouched by the budget?

Looks like young people picking up the tab for the Boomers' benefit yet again
78
03/03/2021 14:50:24 10 2
bbc
"boomers" are not receiving state pension, yet.
None are eligible - state pension will be available to those over 68. That's about 10 years away for most "boomers"

Ah, you are confusing private pensions (nothing to do with the state or "triple lock") with State pensions.

But then again, you are probably 13 years old, and clearly haven't a clue.
101
03/03/2021 14:53:18 4 3
bbc
Baby Boomers are those born 1946-1964. That makes them 57-75 years old right now. Plenty will be claiming the state pension.
79
03/03/2021 14:50:32 3 9
bbc
Imagine what is happening in euro zone countries,
99
03/03/2021 14:52:41 4 1
bbc
Why
107
03/03/2021 14:53:41 2 0
bbc
The children are at school.
1
03/03/2021 14:39:06 79 40
bbc
No one likes paying tax but if needs must at this current time while trying to find the balance of optimising intake and growth, then it is always appropriate.

Why should future generations pay?
80
03/03/2021 14:50:33 101 173
bbc
Why should Sunak have trashed the economy and still let the virus go out of control?

The Tories should have shut the borders like Australia.

Tax payers are paying for Tory leadership incompetence.

Nothing else.
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Dcf
03/03/2021 15:09:56 21 3
bbc
Hardly a fair comparison. The UK isn't like Australia. Demographic, geographic, economically connected and no vermin. Even the animals are different.
321
03/03/2021 15:13:39 15 8
bbc
Go away Commie!
329
03/03/2021 15:14:18 19 4
bbc
Rubbish.You cannot compare the two countries like that
531
03/03/2021 15:33:49 19 7
bbc
I notice you didn't say this BEFORE this Pandemic??? YES Boris has said he has made mistakes along the way But can you tell us who in the world had any prior experience of a Pandemic? So we are all in the dark doing the best we can through this mess, even the Poliricians. Hindsight is a great tool for experience next time! not this.
701
03/03/2021 15:50:24 4 4
bbc
So do you think a Corbyn government would have done better?
862
03/03/2021 16:12:00 5 2
bbc
How do you know what shutting the borders would have done, what peer reviewed scientific data are you using? The answer is none, that is a bloke dahn the pub comment "S'obvious innit"
03/03/2021 17:04:18 2 1
bbc
Don't be so stupid. Go back to bed
03/03/2021 19:36:18 1 1
bbc
Just imagine how well this would have been managed under 'on the fence Corbyn'

We would have been drinking disinfectant a la Trump.
moron Removed
03/03/2021 20:28:54 1 0
bbc
20/20 Hindsight again. I'd like to see you do better.
81
03/03/2021 14:50:37 5 9
bbc
Raising Corporation Tax is not going to encourage firms to set up in the UK. We have already lost £Billions with the likes of Dyson moving his HQ out of the UK. There will always be loopholes for the likes of Amazon, eBay & Jacob Rees-Mogg to exploit. About time the tax dodges were closed but then that was the real reason behind Brexit; to protect the UK Offshore tax havens from EU scrutiny.
82
03/03/2021 14:50:42 81 45
bbc
Starmer stands up to (as expected) criticise absolutely everything (while having no realistic alternatives) and first thing he mentions is unemployment being 5%.
All things considered, after 12 months of this, 5% is phenomenal. Remember Mr Starmer, unemployment was 8% when the Tories came to power & had only been below 5% for 2 years out of the 13yrs Labour were last in power.
92
03/03/2021 14:52:05 41 47
bbc
Standard shill deflection there. Criticising the opposition for being the opposition and not being the government, then some whataboutery from decades ago
100
03/03/2021 14:53:04 7 4
bbc
You do understand what furlough is doing?
113
03/03/2021 14:54:08 8 9
bbc
Not the oppositions job to make government policy.
143
03/03/2021 14:56:12 8 8
bbc
let's do the time warp again. Now get that balloon and rub it all over your head and then you will look like your beloved Boris
169
03/03/2021 14:57:52 7 4
bbc
Yes, but don`t forget that was only achieved by Brown`s creative use of benefits. Work a couple of hours and the state will top up the rest - which became so loved by the business community as they had a part time workforce on tap when they needed it. Which they paid the bare minimum they could legally get away with. In the full knowledge that the state would pay the balance.
196
03/03/2021 15:00:50 9 15
bbc
Tories have been in power for the vast majority of the post-war years and they wreck the economy every time they are in, usually many times in one stint. One reason for their continual re-election is the subservient nature of the press in the UK, which is predominantly right wing (this includes the BBC - whatever you might think of their other output the BBC political coverage is very pro-Tory).
947
03/03/2021 16:22:14 1 1
bbc
Its way higher & that is before the end of the furlough scam which is only a cover to stop the unemployment figures going up, it will happen, just get on with it.
03/03/2021 17:22:30 0 2
bbc
Only because you, I, our children and grandchildren will be paying for the 'keep the figures down' furlough scheme for the next 50 years!
03/03/2021 19:29:18 0 0
bbc
As you say - Starmer stands up
Surely that was the job of the shadow chancelor?
83
03/03/2021 14:50:43 8 9
bbc
"degree of euphoria" Only when these clown's go
35
03/03/2021 14:45:13 16 19
bbc
Tory budgets always unravel within days. This is a very bad budget for anyone on PAYE, hidden tax rises for the next five years
84
03/03/2021 14:50:55 10 3
bbc
Hardly hidden, the media have been talking about the thresholds for days.
131
03/03/2021 14:55:35 0 0
bbc
I wasn’t aware that the media wrote the budget
38
03/03/2021 14:45:42 12 11
bbc
As an OAP, I shall not be spending to help the economy. As I predicted yesterday in HYS, the Chancellor never mentioned OAPs or the elderly at all. We do not exist. Personal Allowances frozen and that is on top of the Higher Personal Allowance for the over 65s being abolished ten years ago. It was 45% more than the single Personal Allowance. I shall leave everything to a cat charity.
85
03/03/2021 14:51:00 1 6
bbc
Charming. Is it any wonder that the Boomers will go down in history as the most selfish generation in British history!

After all the sacrifice that has been made for the over 65s, it is high time for you to give something back
11
03/03/2021 14:41:41 16 18
bbc
We're supposed be guided by the data. If it keeps improving, no reason to wait nearly 4 months to fully open up the economy. We have a vaccine advantage over the EU - let's make the most of it!
86
03/03/2021 14:51:03 2 1
bbc
How many people have caught covid after vaccination? This should be included in the daily stats
37
03/03/2021 14:45:33 6 2
bbc
Still too many new infections in the community at the moment, need to get this down further and more people jabbed to avoid yet another surge in the R rate when we start to open up again.

Government strategy seems about right here. We now know the vaccines are indeed effective so it’s just a question of waiting for more to be jabbed.
87
03/03/2021 14:51:09 1 2
bbc
New infections are irrelevant if the vaccine works to reduce death and hospitalisation; are you suggesting we aim for zero cases or are you saying the vaccine doesn't actually work?
88
03/03/2021 14:51:11 14 10
bbc
Where are all the green jobs promised by David Cameron...?
220
03/03/2021 15:03:25 7 1
bbc
My grass needs cutting.
89
03/03/2021 14:51:22 7 7
bbc
Imagine how much faster it would recover if big companies paid their fair share of taxes? Much easier to go after the small fry public than Amazon, Google, Apple and others, right?
129
03/03/2021 14:55:18 3 6
bbc
Corporation Tax goes up, companies leave UK.
Ireland has 12.5% Corporation Tax, so move there . . . . watch this space.
276
03/03/2021 15:09:12 0 1
bbc
Let me explain economics to you in one simple sentence.

The likes of Amazon would shut up shot and leave.
30
03/03/2021 14:44:29 106 37
bbc
dodds on tv now, wife has no interest in politics and has just said this person has not answered a single question
90
03/03/2021 14:51:39 87 20
bbc
Yep, that’ll be Doddsy!
03/03/2021 17:03:25 2 0
bbc
She comes from Knotty ash!
91
03/03/2021 14:39:24 8 6
bbc
Brexit just keeps on giving??
82
03/03/2021 14:50:42 81 45
bbc
Starmer stands up to (as expected) criticise absolutely everything (while having no realistic alternatives) and first thing he mentions is unemployment being 5%.
All things considered, after 12 months of this, 5% is phenomenal. Remember Mr Starmer, unemployment was 8% when the Tories came to power & had only been below 5% for 2 years out of the 13yrs Labour were last in power.
92
03/03/2021 14:52:05 41 47
bbc
Standard shill deflection there. Criticising the opposition for being the opposition and not being the government, then some whataboutery from decades ago
176
03/03/2021 14:58:49 12 3
bbc
Sounds typical of your posts IMHO. The job of HM Opposition is not to automatically gainsay everything that the govt do or say, but to provide checks and balances. This Labour opposition is ineffective and weak.
16
03/03/2021 14:42:18 387 321
bbc
It is clear that this pandemic has been an on-going war-drum of the ‘excitable Left’, believing that it will herald a new ‘more socialist’ beginning.

But once things do start returning back to normal, those political imaginings will quickly return to the political wastelands where they rightly belong.
93
03/03/2021 14:52:11 50 26
bbc
How many of those who have so vigorously signalled their virtue throughout this pandemic now willing to put their hand in their pocket to help the country’s finances?

Anyone?……[tumbleweed]
743
03/03/2021 15:54:47 1 0
bbc
They are the ones sunning themselves in Dubai.
857
03/03/2021 16:11:18 0 0
bbc
Ask the captain Tom bunch
94
03/03/2021 14:52:14 75 20
bbc
Happy to pay a little extra tax, need the same spirit from everyone though and no doubt some will find ways around paying their share (financially & otherwise) as usual
03/03/2021 18:04:42 50 5
bbc
I am also willing to pay a bit more tax, but would be happier if everybody coughed up. Hit the non-doms hard, hit anybody with offshore accounts, hit the people hiding behind LLP's and service companies. Everybody needs to pay their share.
03/03/2021 18:51:54 3 6
bbc
Well said. As a higher earner I will just retire if I feel once again that I am being clobbered unfairly. Why bother working ? Once retired I will then just draw down my savings and, in effect, pay NO tax. I know I am lucky but really feel I pay enough. Those who always call on others to pay should be careful of what they wish for and the consequences for the UK tax base.
03/03/2021 19:06:46 1 1
bbc
Pay a little extra to keep the public sector going with vastly too many managers doing very little.
03/03/2021 19:29:14 5 0
bbc
Nope. I pay enough taxes at 44% of what I earn. A contractor, I actually pay tax, employee and employER NICS on all my income. So I will be hit treble time when they go up. But without the sick pay, the holiday pay, etc. Oh, and without the job security as well.

Single and childless, I don’t get anything back and only earn just above the thresholds so not on megabucks.

Enough’s enough.
03/03/2021 20:44:27 0 2
bbc
Nope

Stop the government waste - this year has been extraordinary for pure money down the drain - then ask for more tax.
95
03/03/2021 14:52:29 3 8
bbc
The OBR said the UK had been at the "vanguard" of the discovery of new and effective vaccines.
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Got that right Rishi, ain't you glad you've got the NHS in place to sauce you're sorry a*ses?
163
03/03/2021 14:57:26 3 2
bbc
The NHS did not make the vaccines. That was a private company supported by Oxford University scientists
170
03/03/2021 14:57:10 0 2
bbc
The only thing is it was private industry supported by military planners the ensured vaccines were developed and then had capacity to produce them not the NHS.

Agree NHS has done well on roll-out of vaccinations supported by tremendous volunteers and military which originally you may remember the NHS were preventing as wanted them to spend weeks doing stupid equality and other "mandatory training
202
03/03/2021 15:01:22 0 2
bbc
The Nhs had nothing to do with the creation of the vaccines. That work including manufacture was done by the private sector. The Nhs is well versed in mass vaccination so all they had to do was to expand what they do every year with the flu vaccine.
40
03/03/2021 14:45:45 24 26
bbc
Sunak raises income tax and skims over tax avoidance.

An Evil Tory making the tax payer pay....for his stupidity.

Meanwhile his super-rich tax avoiding masters walk away smiling.
96
03/03/2021 14:52:33 8 7
bbc
No income rate or NI tax rises this year or any year in the future, did you not listen to the budget .
Unlike labour who promised not to raise income but promptly raised NI which is paid on income.
42
03/03/2021 14:46:30 31 22
bbc
No green shoots speech just an honest speech and budget proposal from one of the best chancellors in my lifetime. Left Starmer floundering and grasping at straws. As for Dodds LOL.
97
03/03/2021 14:52:34 1 2
bbc
ha ha ha ha ha !
Honest . . . . . . . . . . . hilarious!!
74
03/03/2021 14:49:52 4 9
bbc
2 week holiday to Greece booked up for June cant wait!
98
03/03/2021 14:52:39 7 0
bbc
Spending all that furlough money abroad.

Nice
79
03/03/2021 14:50:32 3 9
bbc
Imagine what is happening in euro zone countries,
99
03/03/2021 14:52:41 4 1
bbc
Why
82
03/03/2021 14:50:42 81 45
bbc
Starmer stands up to (as expected) criticise absolutely everything (while having no realistic alternatives) and first thing he mentions is unemployment being 5%.
All things considered, after 12 months of this, 5% is phenomenal. Remember Mr Starmer, unemployment was 8% when the Tories came to power & had only been below 5% for 2 years out of the 13yrs Labour were last in power.
100
03/03/2021 14:53:04 7 4
bbc
You do understand what furlough is doing?