Amazon Fresh till-less grocery store opens in London
04/03/2021 | news | technology | 1,233
The shop will stock hundreds of new own-brand items including UK-sourced milk and desserts.
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04/03/2021 10:11:08 9 14
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This is a fantastic idea. I love it.
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Bob
04/03/2021 10:11:48 50 14
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Yes, lets automate everything. Replace every job in the world with robots / automation and then those places can stand fill of stuff but empty of people because no one earns any money anymore because there are no more jobs!

Good plan!
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04/03/2021 10:14:04 19 36
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Or they could work in a hospital or care home, jobs that need doing.
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04/03/2021 10:21:15 5 1
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A great oppty to train and ensure our young generation in the UK is educated on the skills needed in future not the past and help build the great companies of tomorrow!
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Ben
04/03/2021 10:37:54 4 6
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Sooner or later, as more and more jobs become automated and, society is going to have to realise that there is no need for everyone to have to work. Otherwise everyone works in pointless "machine inspector" roles. Howa bout universal income?
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04/03/2021 11:00:11 6 1
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People have been predicting since the start of the industrial revolution that increased automation should result in increased leisure time for everyone with the same amount of material possessions. However, capitalism has insisted that this is not acceptable, so instead we acquire and consume needlessly, while many work jobs that seemingly benefit no one.
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04/03/2021 11:24:55 1 2
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Unfortunately for you, automation is here to stay. Would yo rather we all rode round on horseback, grew our own food, heated or houses with coal / wood, and worked for the local squire on the land, or down his mine?
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04/03/2021 11:31:08 0 0
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So if I go shopping with my wife, log in using my phone, but have to leave halfway through the shop, what happens?

Can she continue shopping? Or does she need to leave as well?
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Das
04/03/2021 12:26:32 1 0
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agreed this is taking away UK jobs and all profit to USA
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04/03/2021 12:47:04 0 0
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The jobs we do just change over time

As humans we have always developed new technologies that replace the way things were done and created new types of work for people to do

automation is no different
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04/03/2021 13:36:50 0 0
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Gives everyone more leisure time to watch Amazon Prime.
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04/03/2021 10:12:06 137 19
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So even more jobs gone then.
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04/03/2021 10:15:21 60 57
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There's plenty of jobs let that require humans, not scanning a bar code.
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04/03/2021 10:15:21 7 12
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Actually they are creating jobs. It's not as if they currently employ check out assistants.
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04/03/2021 10:38:14 2 8
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its covid safer
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04/03/2021 10:54:57 20 2
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And we are heading towards a world where if you don't want your life to be documented through your mobile phone, or you don't want a mobile phone at all; you are going to be excluded from more and more things.

How utterly depressing.
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04/03/2021 11:50:52 4 2
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Jobs that just add delay i.e. unload trolley onto checkout and then reload trolley or bags, and add no value
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04/03/2021 11:51:14 5 0
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Self-service checkouts had already started to take that one.
950
04/03/2021 13:05:58 0 0
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Asda and Sainsbury’s are going that way, my Asda had 43 checkouts now only 5
953
04/03/2021 13:22:58 0 0
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The economy of the USSR ignored efficiency and focused on employing people at all costs, look how that turned out.
04/03/2021 16:04:48 1 0
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You would think the other companies would take note - perhaps make customer experiences better - but no - asda keep removing tills, forcing people to queue to self check out or self scan tills - you can have staff hanging around to show you how to operate the self scan bar code units - banks are no different - come on guys lets keep peoples jobs - ps i write computer automation software !
04/03/2021 16:18:48 0 0
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There are plenty of lower paid jobs in the country. Just means the British worker has to do them now instead of relying on EU labour
05/03/2021 02:41:24 0 0
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Most of the jobs are on filling the shelves.
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04/03/2021 10:12:58 12 4
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As long as the government make them pay their taxes.

I don't really care if Amazon know I like tomato juice.
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04/03/2021 10:17:57 14 8
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Amazon directly employ 27,500 people in the UK plus their supply chain. You'll probably find they contribute to the UK economy more than you think.
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04/03/2021 10:13:12 338 95
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Pay your taxes and I'll consider using it.

Until then, no chance.
They have. Created 35 000 new UK tax payers i.e jobs in the middle of pandemic.
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04/03/2021 10:20:38 66 29
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Pretty sure Amazon aren't breaking any tax laws anywhere on the planet...
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04/03/2021 10:17:23 45 52
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They do. The dirty government are responsible, NOT Amazon.
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04/03/2021 10:25:45 14 21
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You need to look at the demographic that uses this shopping service.
There in lies your problem; whoever they are.
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04/03/2021 10:28:11 22 46
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Maybe when Boris and Sunak get out of bed with the Amazon fat cats
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04/03/2021 10:34:06 33 9
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Morally I agree with you, but do you think Londoners will care? They’ll shop with convenience in mind.
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04/03/2021 10:37:44 1 27
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allow tax break. Amazon provide alot of jobs
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04/03/2021 10:43:22 12 8
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Won't ever happen with the Tories in charge so not sure why people keep on going on about this. JRM has his business in the Caymen Islands, so do most Tory donors etc...
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04/03/2021 10:44:53 8 10
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There are many ways to add value to an economy beyond just paying tax. They've invested millions in developing new technologies and services and these are often loss making to begin with. Tax is only paid on profits, not revenue.
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Jim
04/03/2021 10:53:37 15 1
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Two issues

1) I feel for the checkout staff who will not be employed. Not everyone can be a high tech guru, we need jobs for all interests

2) Whilst it is likely easier to tax a bricks & mortar shop, I am sure that each of these shops will have to purchase (percentage of profit on each item?) the technology from an Amazon company based in a low tax regime. Thereby legally avoiding tax on profit
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04/03/2021 10:54:54 7 14
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Those who don't understand how to manage their taxes pay more than others.
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04/03/2021 11:03:15 7 4
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They pay what the government stipulate just as we all do. No individual or business deserves to be criticised for failing to pay any more than they are obliged to do.
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04/03/2021 11:11:52 8 5
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This old pay your taxes is a little boring, they pay what they are legally bound to same as their thousands of workers, if they are not paying enough this should have been sorted in 98 when they started trading in the UK, guess who was in power for the next 12 years of trading.
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04/03/2021 11:34:09 0 2
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Aye, who'd want to pay taxes in this country?
Such sweet hashtag offence. I am sure Amazon are quaking in their boots knowing that you will not purchase from them.
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04/03/2021 11:50:32 2 0
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Within the next 12 months the name morrisons will disappear from the high street as they will be bought out by Amazon,
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04/03/2021 11:51:00 0 0
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Don't pay tax, some rich guy gets it.
Pay tax and a handfull of rich guys get it.
It all trickles up anyway so who cares?
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04/03/2021 11:59:04 1 0
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Our politicians make the tax loopholes to suit themselves.
Amazon are just using whats already there.
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04/03/2021 10:13:33 6 5
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Technology for technology sake, what is the actual genuine benefit exactly…?
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Bob
04/03/2021 10:16:03 6 4
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No people, no wages. More money for billionaire owners to buy there 12th multi-million £ yacht.
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04/03/2021 10:46:34 1 0
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Cost saving for business and convenience for customer

British people should follow science and computer science

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04/03/2021 11:12:38 0 2
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More money for a US corporate that pays little tax whist UK jobs and businesses go to the wall oh and more loss of privacy. Thems the benefits.
04/03/2021 14:18:17 0 0
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1. The ability to read articles
2. The ability to understand words
3. No queues
4. No queues
5. No scanning
6. No queues
7. No payment queues
8. No queues
9. Lower costs
10. No queues
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Bob
04/03/2021 10:11:48 50 14
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Yes, lets automate everything. Replace every job in the world with robots / automation and then those places can stand fill of stuff but empty of people because no one earns any money anymore because there are no more jobs!

Good plan!
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04/03/2021 10:14:04 19 36
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Or they could work in a hospital or care home, jobs that need doing.
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Bob
04/03/2021 10:17:38 5 4
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Those will be automated too, already they are trialing robot carers. Soon it will be robo carer, robo nurse and robo doctor.
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04/03/2021 10:18:43 2 5
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3 (thumbs down) people think care workers and nurses are worthless jobs?
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04/03/2021 11:59:18 0 0
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Do You?
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04/03/2021 12:08:38 0 0
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What millions of people?! How many people do you think need care in comparison to those who don’t. Two people to put an individuals shoes on perhaps?
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04/03/2021 12:36:46 2 0
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There'll be no NHS or care homes because too little tax will have been paid to fund them.
04/03/2021 17:15:24 0 0
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But does Amazon pay taxes to cover for the hospital or care home jobs? Would be surprised if this is the motivation.
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04/03/2021 10:14:18 20 5
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More profit, less employees. Not sure this is good for the UK population.
04/03/2021 16:42:43 1 1
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Better prices, and very convienient. That is what British people want
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04/03/2021 10:14:57 110 19
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Managed to get through Christmas and since without a single Amazon purchase. Easy. They make it too easy to buy rubbish you don't need.
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04/03/2021 10:24:55 61 10
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Even easier for me as I don't use them at all.
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04/03/2021 10:26:32 8 2
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Good on you. We boycotted Amazon too but sadly many are continuing to line their pockets at the expense of high street shops and the exchequer.
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04/03/2021 10:28:31 5 5
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"They make it too easy to buy rubbish you don't need."
You're saying Amazon hold a gun to customers' heads? Or maybe just don't visit the Amazon website. Simples.
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04/03/2021 10:38:55 1 2
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they are cheaper
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04/03/2021 11:05:15 0 0
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Not to worry, I've got your bit covered mate :)
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04/03/2021 10:58:48 6 1
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Good for you. I also now actively avoid Amazon and look for other sellers. I can usually get things at just as good a price from small operators. Often (directly) from the same small operators who would otherwise be selling through Amazon.
Same thing, same price but no cut for Jeff.
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stu
04/03/2021 11:29:02 8 1
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dont worry, literally everyone I know used them for pretty much everything so we made up for your lack of commitment
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04/03/2021 12:34:55 0 0
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To be honest I dislike the Amazon website, it's clunky and visually clearly has bits bolted on from over the years. I dislike the cheap nock off tat you often end up with. And I dislike the oversized box you end up with. And as for being cheaper, that's not always the case.
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04/03/2021 12:30:40 0 1
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I can almost invariably source the items I require from UK based businesses paying UK taxes for a lower price than on Amazon or Ebay, often significantly less.
It takes no more than a couple of minutes to accomplish.

Amazon is for lazy people.
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04/03/2021 13:07:22 0 0
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Same as EBAY
04/03/2021 14:31:05 0 0
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Amazon is often more expensive than other suppliers - I use the Amazon price as a base and then search for cheaper suppliers. Best to use companies you know offer good value rather than rely on internet searches that often seem not to show the best prices.
04/03/2021 16:20:47 0 0
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If you choose to buy rubbish thats down to you. I use Amazon regularly, and not once have i been let down
04/03/2021 23:09:22 0 0
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I love amazon. I buy them feim them all the time. Forgwt the dumbass high street and boring unninovative shops. Amazon makes it easy, cheap and convenient to buy what you need.
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04/03/2021 10:12:06 137 19
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So even more jobs gone then.
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04/03/2021 10:15:21 60 57
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There's plenty of jobs let that require humans, not scanning a bar code.
607
04/03/2021 11:52:25 2 0
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Just fewer jobs, which is the point of the original comment.
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04/03/2021 12:01:57 1 0
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Such as?
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04/03/2021 10:12:06 137 19
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So even more jobs gone then.
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04/03/2021 10:15:21 7 12
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Actually they are creating jobs. It's not as if they currently employ check out assistants.
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04/03/2021 10:23:10 23 2
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https://www.marketwatch.com/story/amazon-is-going-to-kill-more-american-jobs-than-china-did-2017-01-19

Although the study was done in the US it found up to 3 jobs were lost for every job created by Amazon.
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04/03/2021 10:15:24 58 11
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Less jobs, more profit. Celebrating their achievements? I think not.
Fewer.
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04/03/2021 10:39:21 2 0
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its great covid free checkouts
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04/03/2021 10:15:29 76 16
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A shop that tracks your every move, sounds rather dystopian. Plus given there will be no jobs to speak of, I’m not sure we should be getting behind this idea. Not for me.
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04/03/2021 10:23:01 46 2
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I just don't want Amazon to know how much cake and ice cream I consume.
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04/03/2021 11:20:48 3 0
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who do you think stacks the shelves and deals with queries
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stu
04/03/2021 11:50:11 2 0
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oooooo it's big brother.. they really care about you in particular for some unimaginable, very unlikely reason
05/03/2021 09:15:25 0 0
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No chance of me going near one.

My attempts at self-scanning always end in disaster, rather queue at the checkout than follow instructions on a screen.
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04/03/2021 10:11:36 258 48
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Nope. Won't be buying my groceries from any company that offshores their wealth and pays almost no corporation tax.
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04/03/2021 10:21:51 89 224
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They paid £15 million last year on top of employing 27,500 people. If you innovate and create jobs your deserve tax breaks. There would be no incentive to do so otherwise.
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04/03/2021 10:22:13 20 34
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I bet if you owned a business and could get away by paying little/no tax LEGALLY then you would do the same. Stop being a hypocrite please.
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04/03/2021 10:45:03 19 2
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But you'll happily vote for a party whose MP's have their own business assets abroad to avoid tax
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04/03/2021 11:01:35 2 1
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Tesco "offshore" all their admin
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04/03/2021 10:11:52 185 7
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Shoplifter’s nightmare! Sneak a tin of baked beans down your pants and still get billed when you get home.
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04/03/2021 10:38:49 94 2
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They will just have a stolen phone on them.
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04/03/2021 10:41:07 2 0
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only if you've got the app! funny though I think they want us to take out as much as we can and more besides
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04/03/2021 10:15:50 41 12
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Amazon could (if not already) be dangerous to all. They seem to be wanting total control of the market.
I refrain from using them after buying a fraudulent internet security via them. They declined to do anything about it. No refund and , they let the guy continue selling . They are interested only in gain.
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04/03/2021 10:18:41 20 7
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I prefer more moral non-dangerous companies like Amazon or Tesco... Oh wait! ;) Apple want total control and Tesco are already the largest holder of data in the UK.
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04/03/2021 10:26:55 6 3
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Your mistake was buying off a third party seller on Amazon - not much different to buying off a dodgy seller on eBay. In future i suggest you stick with buying from Amazon directly.
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04/03/2021 10:40:48 0 0
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All American tech firms are powerful
I am just back from this store with a bag full of shopping but still waiting for a receipt . No emails so far and it looks I robbed Amazon Fresh on its first day of operating in UK.
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04/03/2021 10:23:16 39 2
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So you have no idea how much money you have spent? Great progress!
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stu
04/03/2021 11:56:07 7 7
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ive no doubt you can log on and see the receipt online

or do you like it when we cut down all the trees to make paper
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04/03/2021 10:15:59 12 14
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I wish Amazon would just go away.
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04/03/2021 10:13:33 6 5
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Technology for technology sake, what is the actual genuine benefit exactly…?
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Bob
04/03/2021 10:16:03 6 4
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No people, no wages. More money for billionaire owners to buy there 12th multi-million £ yacht.
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04/03/2021 10:22:30 1 2
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Amazon definitely has too much money if it is ‘investing’ in nonsense like this.
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04/03/2021 10:16:17 9 2
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A commuting store in London? So it's going to be customer less for a very long time too!
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04/03/2021 11:26:39 1 0
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Don't people in London eat then?
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04/03/2021 10:16:28 9 9
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Brilliant idea, the natural next step after the success of scan and go type options that are now in most major supermarkets. There will be plenty that don't like this type of progress but if we were all like those people then we'd all still be living in caves.
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04/03/2021 10:23:26 3 1
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I like my cave.
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04/03/2021 10:17:18 2 10
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Great idea. Real innovation. So many local small businesses also use Amazon so this is great.
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04/03/2021 10:17:26 4 3
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So why are Amazon so interested in food?? Massive margins on food, significantly lower overheads with this kind of operation but more importantly personal data collection and target marketing.
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Bob
04/03/2021 10:20:45 2 1
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Massive margins on food? Supermarkets have one of the lowest margins around, something that's typical of FMCG and a competitive landscape.

Amazon will be fine with that though, that's how they operate their core retail business too.
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04/03/2021 10:17:34 2 9
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The future is opening up. Allows the dead end poorly paid shop jobs to be removed. Better if things could all be delivered direct to your home though.
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04/03/2021 10:22:13 2 2
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Yes, then you could continue to live the rest of your existence indoors, breathing filtered recycled air and hving no interaction with other humans (apart from patterns of pixels on an electronic screen). No thanks!
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JnB
04/03/2021 10:25:59 0 0
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So all the supermarket workers will suddenly get better paid jobs? That makes complete sense.
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04/03/2021 10:44:36 0 0
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And how do you propose we pay for this home if there areno retail jobs?
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04/03/2021 11:29:09 0 0
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Amazon delivery drones will come.
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04/03/2021 11:53:00 0 0
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Amazon Prime delivers groceries to your door already. But then do all supermarkets??? Are you living in the 1980's??
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04/03/2021 10:17:38 28 12
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I hate Amazon, in my opinion it’s a company with the ethics of a sewer rat. If I’m able to, I will avoid using as much as possible.
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04/03/2021 10:29:56 2 2
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I think the key phrase is "if I'm able to". I loathe supermarket shopping, but there's now no real alternative to that.
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04/03/2021 10:14:04 19 36
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Or they could work in a hospital or care home, jobs that need doing.
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Bob
04/03/2021 10:17:38 5 4
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Those will be automated too, already they are trialing robot carers. Soon it will be robo carer, robo nurse and robo doctor.
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04/03/2021 10:17:57 2 0
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But do customers really want to shop that way? The current automated tills are fine by me. It really depends how reliable the new system will be.
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04/03/2021 11:31:12 0 2
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How many people will check their emailed receipt against what they think they bought.
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04/03/2021 10:12:58 12 4
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As long as the government make them pay their taxes.

I don't really care if Amazon know I like tomato juice.
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04/03/2021 10:17:57 14 8
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Amazon directly employ 27,500 people in the UK plus their supply chain. You'll probably find they contribute to the UK economy more than you think.
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04/03/2021 10:48:24 1 0
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More than we think, but not enough.
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04/03/2021 10:51:36 1 0
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As all employers do. But they should still pay tax.
540
04/03/2021 11:38:21 0 0
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No. You won’t. They book as much as possible / legal outside of the UK.
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04/03/2021 10:18:02 144 22
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So now Amazon wants to be a grocer.

There is nothing they won’t do for profit and it doesn’t matter who they crush in the process. They are so mega rich they can through money at it like confetti.

And magically like many of there huge companies profits over here seem to mirror ‘franchise’ payments made overseas. Plug the tax loopholes now and make the tax system fairer for all businesses.
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04/03/2021 10:38:24 91 16
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We should tax all these tax avoiding multinationals on turnover not profit.
If they don't like it, let them leave. (They won't).
UK based companies will very quickly fill the void.
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04/03/2021 10:51:51 0 0
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Do you mean "throw" money rather than "through money"?
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04/03/2021 10:56:45 7 0
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erm -they've been a grocery supplier for a long time - just wait a bit longer for the inevitable full tie up with Morrisons.
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04/03/2021 12:04:54 12 3
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Amazon was started in a garage by a chap with big ambitions. It ran at a loss for many years. Companies such as WHSmith, Waterstones and the IT "experts" scoffed at him all the while.
And now everybody whinges because he was right.
The company is "mega rich" and has a monopoly because nobody else bothered to challenge, secure in their little worlds.
Personally I have nothing but admiration!
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04/03/2021 12:10:38 2 1
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Exactly.

And once they have beaten whatever competition is left into oblivion and they've cornered a near-monopoly for themselves; the prices will rise, as will their profits. We'll all have to pay those prices and and there will be no-one else with a big enough position in the market to seriously challenge them.
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04/03/2021 12:48:41 2 0
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No one is forcing you to shop there, and this is ONE shop. Will they seriously rival Tesco and Asda? Unlikely.
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04/03/2021 12:54:39 0 0
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Won’t be plugged by voting Tory.
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04/03/2021 12:57:44 2 0
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Amazon bought Whole Foods ages ago so nothing new
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04/03/2021 13:35:05 3 1
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You do know that Amazon have offered groceries for years? - still buy my stuff in bulk from them - much easier and cheaper than buying in supermarkets.
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04/03/2021 10:18:13 31 6
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welcome to the future - this will be mainstream in the next few years to come. Just watch. Convenience undoubtedly but at a potential privacy cost but we leave digital footprints everywhere already.
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04/03/2021 11:01:43 9 1
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That's kind of how the internet seems to work
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stu
04/03/2021 11:54:09 2 3
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I dont care because I've got nothing to hide. put CCTV everywhere and track me, Im not a criminal
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04/03/2021 10:18:19 103 20
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If it pays its taxes with NO loopholes...

If it does what is says by sourcing British food...

If it provides fair competition within our market...

If it reduces plastic waste and import pollution...

...no problem as such.

However, it would be better for the UK if we built our own Amazon equivalent.
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AgK
04/03/2021 10:22:43 97 6
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Their argument that HMRC gets tax from the employment they create is somewhat diluted by this development
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04/03/2021 10:25:13 3 0
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So, do it. You could be the next Jeff B.
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04/03/2021 10:34:19 1 1
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Are you the CEO of Waitrose by any chance?
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04/03/2021 10:38:39 2 8
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the tax loop holes are provided by EU
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04/03/2021 10:48:20 0 0
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And name it after a forest.
Epping?
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04/03/2021 10:50:10 5 0
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Amazon used to have low prices but now I find most items on there can be bought elsewhere for less. It will be interesting to see what the price of its own brand goods are.
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dan
04/03/2021 11:10:51 6 4
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"It would be better for the UK if we built our own Amazon equivalent".

Do you people live in the real world? Yeah, would be ideal to build the world's biggest company, let us know when you get this trillion pound business off the ground (I'm guessing specialising in selling British flags, unicorns and false dreams) and I'll happily invest :)
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04/03/2021 11:38:34 0 0
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Go one then.
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04/03/2021 12:00:27 0 1
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The UK would just sell it off, the tories are happy to sell burgeoning tech companies. ARM anyone
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04/03/2021 13:03:18 0 0
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Do Tesco, Asda, Sainsburys etc. all do those things?
04/03/2021 14:06:10 0 0
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what a good idea. I'll start up a UK type Amazon tomorrow. I'll call it "Ganges" or maybe "Yangtse"...... It'd be really cool and I could get really rich.
04/03/2021 14:17:16 0 0
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Your approach is not what BoJo negotiated for you ...he was a loophole full banana republic for the spivvs and that is what you have got so get used to it.
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04/03/2021 10:18:30 8 10
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Excellent news! Can't wait to check it out.
Innovation at it's best - I am sure this will continue to improve too.
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04/03/2021 10:18:36 6 6
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No thank you, I don't think I could feel more probed even if I were a suspected drug mule.
41
04/03/2021 10:20:56 2 0
bbc
Have you any idea how many CCTV camera's pick you up in any given shopping center, high street or supermarket? Alot more than you can guess I would imagine.
104
04/03/2021 10:20:33 0 0
bbc
Just like minority report....
16
04/03/2021 10:15:50 41 12
bbc
Amazon could (if not already) be dangerous to all. They seem to be wanting total control of the market.
I refrain from using them after buying a fraudulent internet security via them. They declined to do anything about it. No refund and , they let the guy continue selling . They are interested only in gain.
34
04/03/2021 10:18:41 20 7
bbc
I prefer more moral non-dangerous companies like Amazon or Tesco... Oh wait! ;) Apple want total control and Tesco are already the largest holder of data in the UK.
560
04/03/2021 11:42:19 3 0
bbc
Tesco knows that I buy fresh fish, large eggs, wholemeal bread etc. and my debit card number. I'm happy with that.

They know nothing about my health & fitness, my finances, my education, choice of reading matter, music, family, employment etc. Not legally at least, and that's how it will stay.

Basic security - never use one supplier for everything.
7
04/03/2021 10:14:04 19 36
bbc
Or they could work in a hospital or care home, jobs that need doing.
35
04/03/2021 10:18:43 2 5
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3 (thumbs down) people think care workers and nurses are worthless jobs?
69
04/03/2021 10:25:05 8 0
bbc
I didn’t thumb either way, however while I fully agree the jobs you list are worthwhile not everybody will be qualified for them (and some people may simply prefer another line of work). That said I’d rather work in a hospital or care home than for Amazon.
36
04/03/2021 10:18:43 80 49
bbc
Amazon is like a cancer on the UK economy
65
04/03/2021 10:24:35 45 43
bbc
Millions who shop at Amazon would disagree with you. Or have you personally asked every household in the UK and got their opinion of Amazon?
608
stu
04/03/2021 11:52:28 4 1
bbc
yes that is the currently trendy opinion

but then again they offer cheap prices and quick delivery, which is useful for housebound people (and during pandemics)

the only thing that annoys me is I didn't think to buy shares in Feb 2020
04/03/2021 16:31:41 2 1
bbc
I save a fortune using Amazon. Rather than having to drive miles to a shop, I can get exactly the same thing from Amazon online, and often cheaper. Saves me time and petrol,
5
04/03/2021 10:13:12 338 95
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Pay your taxes and I'll consider using it.

Until then, no chance.
37
04/03/2021 10:19:13 162 235
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They have. Created 35 000 new UK tax payers i.e jobs in the middle of pandemic.
101
04/03/2021 10:30:48 56 42
bbc
It's a great story, lose your job as an aircraft engineer, go and fill boxes at Amazon.
There is no silver lining to this Government disaster.
127
04/03/2021 10:34:56 61 8
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This kind of suggests the view that “taxes are for the little people”. If companies are given the right to trade and make a profit they should pay their share like the rest of us do through income tax. Nobody is suggesting they should hand over all their profits, just that they are treated in the same manner as working individuals.
158
04/03/2021 10:40:04 48 12
bbc
How many of these jobs are full time?
How many of these jobs are part-time?
How many of these jobs are zero hour contracts?

If you are part-time/zero hours you will pay no tax!!
175
04/03/2021 10:37:15 26 9
bbc
AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHER TAXPAYERS! sigh
259
04/03/2021 10:53:17 17 4
bbc
It's the people doing the work paying the taxes. But amazon are dodging Corporate tax that all the national level companies have to pay. They should be competing through quality/service not through tax avoidance.
274
04/03/2021 10:54:26 10 3
bbc
That's no excuse to fiddle your corporate tax
298
04/03/2021 10:58:17 14 6
bbc
By removing them from British-owned high street retailers and local shops. They've destroyed more jobs than they've created - they use robots in their sweatshop depots.
324
04/03/2021 11:01:47 8 1
bbc
Quality jobs, or ZHC, minimum wage, limited benefits, no security kind of jobs?
333
04/03/2021 11:02:49 11 1
bbc
How can you talk about jobs when the shop is designed to put people out of work.

Amazon hates staff, if you haven't already, read up on the lengths this company is going to in order to prevent unionisation.
372
04/03/2021 11:08:15 4 0
bbc
But those are low paid jobs=v low tax returns & these shops only require shelf-stackers, no one on tills or deli-counters etc. If it catches on others will have to follow which is thous more unemployed shop staff
Point is if ANY firm can play tax rules to bias it's payments to low tax regimes then international rules will need to change or it'll be race to lowest tax meaning cuts to Gov't spending
414
04/03/2021 11:12:29 4 1
bbc
Dont mix up people paying income tax and corporations dodging their tax. Both need to pay to fund the common pot.
433
04/03/2021 11:15:09 7 4
bbc
"They have. Created 35 000 new UK tax payers i.e jobs in the middle of pandemic."

Yes and other companies that hire people are expected to pay taxes so what your point? Give someone a low paying job and stop paying taxes?
434
04/03/2021 11:15:19 4 0
bbc
replacing other jobs at independent retailers that they put out of business.
447
04/03/2021 11:18:07 4 0
bbc
Have they created jobs or moved jobs from other outlets? If people hadn't purchased from Amazon would they have purchased from the high street? High streets employ more auxiliary people and create a social centre for the community
448
04/03/2021 11:18:13 2 3
bbc
There greed as contributed to 100 thousand shop workers loosing there jobs
505
04/03/2021 11:29:56 0 2
bbc
That is the normal pathetic excuse these greedy companies brainwash people with
522
PCS
04/03/2021 11:35:32 2 1
bbc
Low paid with high RSI potential some with permanent health issues not to mention shift working issues!
565
04/03/2021 11:43:47 0 0
bbc
Isn't that more like someone else pays tax but you say it should be counted as on your profits? Pretty sure they see the tax paying employees as an unavoidable business expense (that coincidently pay tax and at a higher rate than the company do) rather than their contribution to the society in general that makes a market for them to trade in.
606
04/03/2021 11:52:18 2 1
bbc
how many high street jobs and small shops have been lost because of this company
621
04/03/2021 11:54:12 2 0
bbc
Yep and now they are creating stores that will mean less workers needed so overall less people in work. This is the future. Everything possible will be automated - there will be far fewer jobs - we are going to need a new way of sharing out wealth created.
646
04/03/2021 11:58:21 1 0
bbc
Low wage slave driven jobs.
5
04/03/2021 10:13:12 338 95
bbc
Pay your taxes and I'll consider using it.

Until then, no chance.
38
04/03/2021 10:20:38 66 29
bbc
Pretty sure Amazon aren't breaking any tax laws anywhere on the planet...
519
04/03/2021 11:35:05 3 0
bbc
Many people see the practice of legal tax efficient avoidance, offshoring through meaningless intermediate companies, artificial internal markets and charges and the like as reprehensible as outright tax fraud, regardless of the law. No one except tax lawyers understands the law. Everyone except tax lawyers understands right and wrong.
23
04/03/2021 10:17:26 4 3
bbc
So why are Amazon so interested in food?? Massive margins on food, significantly lower overheads with this kind of operation but more importantly personal data collection and target marketing.
39
Bob
04/03/2021 10:20:45 2 1
bbc
Massive margins on food? Supermarkets have one of the lowest margins around, something that's typical of FMCG and a competitive landscape.

Amazon will be fine with that though, that's how they operate their core retail business too.
40
04/03/2021 10:20:52 3 2
bbc
One thing I don't often see mentioned is how this might result in people who don't understand the value of money and what they're spending. I would use it if there was an option to set limits and track how much you are spending.
33
04/03/2021 10:18:36 6 6
bbc
No thank you, I don't think I could feel more probed even if I were a suspected drug mule.
41
04/03/2021 10:20:56 2 0
bbc
Have you any idea how many CCTV camera's pick you up in any given shopping center, high street or supermarket? Alot more than you can guess I would imagine.
84
04/03/2021 10:27:08 0 0
bbc
You really don't understand Amazon's business model, every possible collectable data aspect of your life is used to sell to you. Lab rats are subjected to less scrutiny.
2
Bob
04/03/2021 10:11:48 50 14
bbc
Yes, lets automate everything. Replace every job in the world with robots / automation and then those places can stand fill of stuff but empty of people because no one earns any money anymore because there are no more jobs!

Good plan!
42
04/03/2021 10:21:15 5 1
bbc
A great oppty to train and ensure our young generation in the UK is educated on the skills needed in future not the past and help build the great companies of tomorrow!
43
04/03/2021 10:21:22 4 2
bbc
Really? I'm surprised anyone will do their shopping at all, even without the hassle getting through the till. Most of my local Tesco is filled with staff pushing large carts around doing online shopping & generally getting in the way those of us who prefer/have to do our own shopping.
44
04/03/2021 10:21:30 3 5
bbc
ASDA green. Penalises those who don't have a smartphone or wish to allow Amazon access to theirs. Let's hope it doesn't kill off other shops that these people might rely on.
14
04/03/2021 10:11:36 258 48
bbc
Nope. Won't be buying my groceries from any company that offshores their wealth and pays almost no corporation tax.
45
04/03/2021 10:21:51 89 224
bbc
They paid £15 million last year on top of employing 27,500 people. If you innovate and create jobs your deserve tax breaks. There would be no incentive to do so otherwise.
119
04/03/2021 10:33:58 60 12
bbc
£15m tax on £20bn UK sales is an effective tax rate of 0.75%. That's quite the tax break.
181
04/03/2021 10:38:57 33 8
bbc
Jeff Bezos made $70bn during the pandemic. £15m is approximately 0.0002% of that. Why should he pay less as a percentage than pretty much anyone in Britain? Why would even a significant increase in this prove to be a disincentive? Yes he created jobs, but they were minimum wage jobs which most people wouldn't do if there were any decent alternatives in the current climate.
182
04/03/2021 10:39:11 27 6
bbc
nope load of tosh Sir, go and tell this flawed rubbish to the WORKING POOR that stand in food bank queues!
224
04/03/2021 10:48:29 12 2
bbc
They also had UK revenues of £3 billion. There's a difference between tax breaks clans tax gifts. And less said about Amazon 'jobs' the better! Presumably you're lucky not to be one.
225
04/03/2021 10:48:35 8 2
bbc
Morrisons employs 110,000 staff. Revenue is significantly lower than that of Amazon. It's not really surprising - these "traditional" business emply people to do things, whereas Anazon minimise employment and use tech. If we adopt this as a society, we become more efficient in business - great - but we have too many people. Over time capitalism will work it out, but in the meantime.. euthanasia?
258
04/03/2021 10:52:40 8 0
bbc
But how many of those jobs are full time and not 0 hour. And what your saying is that if a company has enough staff paying TAX then they shouldn't really have to pay there fair share. So there low payed staff pay the tax out there wage while the company rakes in the billions ??
275
04/03/2021 10:54:37 7 3
bbc
The incentive of any business is to make a fair profit. Amazon's profits are astronomical due to its tax avoidance schemes allowing it to crush small, local businesses.
283
04/03/2021 10:55:53 3 1
bbc
So it's ok for the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer?
284
04/03/2021 10:55:55 5 0
bbc
Surely the reward from innovating is the revenue you get from your innovations. Why should everyone else be subsidising their revenue at the expense of national-level businesses that can't avoid tax by shifting revenue outside the country? Innovation in tax avoidance doesn't benefit the economy!
345
04/03/2021 11:04:23 4 0
bbc
How many jobs did they destroy by putting other companies out of business by not burdening themselves with the same level of taxation?

A lot more than the 27,500 that they treat like serfs.
446
04/03/2021 11:18:05 0 0
bbc
Wow so much tax against billions want.. are you their online spokesperson bet the staff are not on a living wage
478
04/03/2021 11:24:17 2 0
bbc
If you innovate and create wealth as an employee you deserve to be paid bigger wages and get tax breaks.......don't you ??? but this very, very rarely happens, especially in firms where the boss at the top can get paid as much as 50x what the grass roots worker gets paid !
511
04/03/2021 11:32:10 2 1
bbc
I am sure you can see by the votes against you that you are talking drivel
649
04/03/2021 11:58:45 0 0
bbc
Is that it, £15m?
726
04/03/2021 12:11:07 1 0
bbc
so anyone who employs anyone deserve's a tax break?
46
04/03/2021 10:21:55 19 9
bbc
I'm all for it if it helps get me out of the supermarket quicker.
If you don't like it, don't go there.
47
04/03/2021 10:15:24 54 14
bbc
Amazon what a lovely company that does not pay taxes and now wants to employ less people.
63
04/03/2021 10:23:56 59 21
bbc
Fewer, not less.
Fewer. But you are not telling the truth. They have created 35 000 new jobs during this pandemic helping many unemployed people to get back on track. Also they are almost 3 quid above NMW so what you write here does not resemble anything that is truthful and objective.
371
04/03/2021 11:08:05 8 0
bbc
Amazon do pay tax. If you have evidence of tax evasion you should inform HMRC at once. Do remember though that tax is paid on profit, not turnover. The "figures" that people shriek about on social media are not correct in that they confuse the two.
784
04/03/2021 12:23:33 1 1
bbc
Of course they pay tax, no company is going to pay than they legally have to. If you feel they should pay more then speak to your MP about it.
841
04/03/2021 12:40:23 3 2
bbc
1. Amazon do pay tax in accordance to their obligations under our tax laws. It's the law that creates the opportunity to pay less tax, not the corporation

2. Amazon continue to create thousands of new jobs annually in the UK, they just don't plan to have them in shops

3. The whole USP of Amazon is to provide products and services that make life easier for the customer.
48
04/03/2021 10:17:04 13 1
bbc
Will the Americans have to pay any tax?
341
04/03/2021 11:03:34 0 0
bbc
??
Effectively any Amazon shareholders are hit with tax because it impacts profit and growth, thus share price too.
Those shareholders are global.
Incidentally, Amazon don't pay a dividend.
5
04/03/2021 10:13:12 338 95
bbc
Pay your taxes and I'll consider using it.

Until then, no chance.
49
04/03/2021 10:17:23 45 52
bbc
They do. The dirty government are responsible, NOT Amazon.
24
04/03/2021 10:17:34 2 9
bbc
The future is opening up. Allows the dead end poorly paid shop jobs to be removed. Better if things could all be delivered direct to your home though.
50
04/03/2021 10:22:13 2 2
bbc
Yes, then you could continue to live the rest of your existence indoors, breathing filtered recycled air and hving no interaction with other humans (apart from patterns of pixels on an electronic screen). No thanks!
14
04/03/2021 10:11:36 258 48
bbc
Nope. Won't be buying my groceries from any company that offshores their wealth and pays almost no corporation tax.
51
04/03/2021 10:22:13 20 34
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I bet if you owned a business and could get away by paying little/no tax LEGALLY then you would do the same. Stop being a hypocrite please.
186
04/03/2021 10:40:05 29 2
bbc
Government should have stamped on Amazon years ago and any other tax wriggler
252
04/03/2021 10:45:17 5 1
bbc
Many people would act immorally if there were no consequences for their actions. That's why the law needs to be changed so that immorality is not a privilege just for the wealthy.
513
04/03/2021 11:34:06 3 0
bbc
Speak for yourself not everyone is as selfish as you appear to be
52
04/03/2021 10:22:18 276 47
bbc
THIS NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FROM ALL UK AMAZON RECEIPTS:

Amazon EU, Société à responsabilité limitée, 38 avenue John F. Kennedy, L-1855 Luxembourg. Share capital: EUR 125.000; Registered in Luxembourg; RCS Luxembourg No: B 101818; Business Licence Number: 134248; Luxembourg VAT Registration Number: LU 20260743.

SET UP A UK HEADQUARTERS AND PAY THE CORRECT AMOUNT OF TAX.
331
04/03/2021 10:55:45 65 14
bbc
Can't be right. Various regular contributors to this board keep telling me the EU is cracking down on corporate tax avoidance!
337
04/03/2021 11:03:05 10 2
bbc
You have hit the nail on the head!
This gets on a lot of people’s nerves.
377
04/03/2021 10:59:02 12 2
bbc
They will just fiddle transfer prices so that their offshore company makes a huge profit without even seeing the goods (Luxembourg), at the same time selling to the UK firm at the same price the customer pays. No profit taxed in the UK.
Old trick - Apple do the same.
567
04/03/2021 11:44:21 4 2
bbc
If you don't like like, don't shop there.
745
04/03/2021 12:15:19 9 1
bbc
If the UK dropped its corp tax even lower than Luxembourg then we would attract a lot of big tech and innovation companies. Make us the tax haven then at least they will be paying for profits made here (and elsewhere). This is not Amazon's problem - they are being fiscally responsible - if you were their CFO you would do the same - if you want the system to change, need governments for that.
906
04/03/2021 13:03:43 0 0
bbc
I rather keep my purchases for my disabled home low and and not pay the extra tax by making Amazon "live " in high Tax area " Who wants the cost of living going up ?
04/03/2021 14:15:32 0 2
bbc
No Amazon pull out of the UK ...it is not in your interests to operate outside the EU....The UK can't be trusted.
04/03/2021 15:59:41 0 0
bbc
Not a chance as if amazon is going to do that, ive seen amazon employ 60 or so guys from germany to come over to england to complete a job that a british team bid cheaper for - why - because they can legally claim all the hotel costs, food costs and everything else back as a tax deduction - making the overall job virutally half the price.
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Bob
04/03/2021 10:16:03 6 4
bbc
No people, no wages. More money for billionaire owners to buy there 12th multi-million £ yacht.
53
04/03/2021 10:22:30 1 2
bbc
Amazon definitely has too much money if it is ‘investing’ in nonsense like this.
360
04/03/2021 11:06:08 0 0
bbc
Have you never used pay-at-pump then? Or bought anything online rather than go to a shop?
31
04/03/2021 10:18:19 103 20
bbc
If it pays its taxes with NO loopholes...

If it does what is says by sourcing British food...

If it provides fair competition within our market...

If it reduces plastic waste and import pollution...

...no problem as such.

However, it would be better for the UK if we built our own Amazon equivalent.
54
AgK
04/03/2021 10:22:43 97 6
bbc
Their argument that HMRC gets tax from the employment they create is somewhat diluted by this development
77
04/03/2021 10:26:30 5 1
bbc
It obviously is a poor argument, especially with no one at the till. Although on this one I suspect they will struggle to argue that a lettuce picked up in a London store can translate in a transaction and therefore tax place in Luxembourg.
444
04/03/2021 11:17:58 1 0
bbc
Every employer could use that argument...........
13
04/03/2021 10:15:29 76 16
bbc
A shop that tracks your every move, sounds rather dystopian. Plus given there will be no jobs to speak of, I’m not sure we should be getting behind this idea. Not for me.
55
04/03/2021 10:23:01 46 2
bbc
I just don't want Amazon to know how much cake and ice cream I consume.
380
04/03/2021 11:01:40 2 0
bbc
Don't worry, You can come down to the Amazon Obesity Clinic with me! I'm sure they will have one to sell us weight loss pharmaceuticals or we could go and work for them and run up and down their fargin great big warehouses.
412
04/03/2021 11:12:18 7 0
bbc
And you don't think Tesco do?
461
04/03/2021 11:22:04 9 0
bbc
If you use a Tesco Clubcard or Nectar card (or similar), they know exactly how much cake you stuff, how often you eat it and which brands you prefer.
592
04/03/2021 11:50:22 2 0
bbc
Why not M&S does when you buy your trousers(just kidding)
688
04/03/2021 12:05:04 2 0
bbc
You would rather Tesco know it through your clubcard and Visa know through your credit card!
04/03/2021 14:32:06 0 0
bbc
It can probably be worked out from your contactless card if you use that to pay.
11
04/03/2021 10:15:21 7 12
bbc
Actually they are creating jobs. It's not as if they currently employ check out assistants.
56
04/03/2021 10:23:10 23 2
bbc
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/amazon-is-going-to-kill-more-american-jobs-than-china-did-2017-01-19

Although the study was done in the US it found up to 3 jobs were lost for every job created by Amazon.
I am just back from this store with a bag full of shopping but still waiting for a receipt . No emails so far and it looks I robbed Amazon Fresh on its first day of operating in UK.
57
04/03/2021 10:23:16 39 2
bbc
So you have no idea how much money you have spent? Great progress!
58
04/03/2021 10:23:25 5 0
bbc
This is a very good way of marketing itself further, however I doubt it will become the norm outside of mini, local stores. I am sure that Amazon's aim remains the home delivery market which continues to grow at a massive rate. I can envisage a world without supermarkets within 20 years
04/03/2021 20:00:55 0 0
bbc
Maybe. Only if they start picking items with the longest date!
21
04/03/2021 10:16:28 9 9
bbc
Brilliant idea, the natural next step after the success of scan and go type options that are now in most major supermarkets. There will be plenty that don't like this type of progress but if we were all like those people then we'd all still be living in caves.
59
04/03/2021 10:23:26 3 1
bbc
I like my cave.
495
04/03/2021 11:27:34 0 0
bbc
Be careful of the dancing bright orange stuff - its hot!
60
04/03/2021 10:23:39 5 2
bbc
There is a line between progress and ruthless profit generation. This is progress in terms of the use of technology, but Amazon is a key drver in the destruction of the high street. As an operation they make money primarily by online sales, so by opening a shop like this with no tills and lower staffing costs, they undercut again. People need to decide what they want the high street to look like.
87
04/03/2021 10:27:43 4 0
bbc
I agree with what you're saying to an extent, but you can't blame Amazon for catering to what people appear to want. The high street is dead because it's inconvenient, not always very pleasant, and difficult for most people to get to. We chose to kill the high street. If we didn't like the Amazon model, it would have failed. Besides, supermarkets did most of the damage anyway decades ago.
208
04/03/2021 10:43:34 1 0
bbc
American IT forms always been powerful. UK had a heritage in IT and computer science and did nothing with it
286
04/03/2021 10:56:13 0 0
bbc
The high street was dead years ago; killed by massive rents and lower footfall. Not sure why there is such a negative attitude towards progression and this is the high street evolving into something actually useful rather than coffee shops ad betting shops
61
04/03/2021 10:23:42 76 8
bbc
Wonder what's more valuable to Amazon here. The money spent in store or the extra data they collect on us?
71
04/03/2021 10:25:38 41 0
bbc
Supermarkets gather lots of information on people already. That's how they target people with very specific offers.
73
04/03/2021 10:25:50 6 1
bbc
Data for sure
185
04/03/2021 10:39:51 2 13
bbc
data is gathered already...look at vaccine passports
805
04/03/2021 12:28:05 1 0
bbc
in the new world the customer is still King but data is heir to the throne
840
04/03/2021 12:40:19 0 0
bbc
"the extra data they collect on us" - Please define the "us" in that sentence.

Did you mean "us" as an individual, or "us" as a generic shopping unit with no personally identifiable data?
04/03/2021 16:21:55 0 0
bbc
What extra data do they have on us that other companies do not?
04/03/2021 16:22:49 0 0
bbc
... how long you ponder, where you wander, where you return to.
Its a data gold mine to sell on to the highest bidder(s)
62
04/03/2021 10:23:47 10 3
bbc
Why hasn't any UK company set up as a rival to Amazon?

ABA! Anyone but Amazon.
137
04/03/2021 10:36:45 7 0
bbc
If we did, Amazon would buy it.
155
04/03/2021 10:39:12 3 2
bbc
Off you go then! It's all very much the American dream, and Jeff Bezos has reaped the rewards. So has his ex wife - one of the richest women in the world because she married, then divorced, the right guy. Yay womens lib etc.
207
04/03/2021 10:42:41 0 1
bbc
UK doesn't fund people with ideas ... all about money
217
04/03/2021 10:48:17 0 1
bbc
Because it would be be bought up by Apple probably. But it would be impossible these days to create an Amazon clone, do you have any idea of the scope of what they do, in shopping, tech etc...?
276
04/03/2021 10:54:47 3 0
bbc
Because too many people spend their time waiting for other people to do something rather than trying to make it happen themselves.
47
04/03/2021 10:15:24 54 14
bbc
Amazon what a lovely company that does not pay taxes and now wants to employ less people.
63
04/03/2021 10:23:56 59 21
bbc
Fewer, not less.
197
04/03/2021 10:45:20 11 17
bbc
I think language is for communicating and it evolves ... less people is very well understood so it does the job
240
04/03/2021 10:50:41 10 13
bbc
Pedant of the Day Award.
And you're wrong anyway - both is equally acceptable in modern usage, let alone on HYS.
310
04/03/2021 10:59:38 4 9
bbc
Pedant
752
04/03/2021 12:16:49 4 1
bbc
You knew exactly what he meant but you thought you'd be one of those on the keyboard
851
04/03/2021 12:43:35 1 0
bbc
I doubt the wording used will change the effect though.
64
04/03/2021 10:24:11 12 7
bbc
What about people who don't have Smartphones? And it's all too Big Brother for me!
109
04/03/2021 10:32:03 5 0
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Better check those Amazon app permissions, does it have access to your contact list ?
955
04/03/2021 13:23:33 0 0
bbc
This is the future. Bitcoin, (cashless), and automation are happening
36
04/03/2021 10:18:43 80 49
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Amazon is like a cancer on the UK economy
65
04/03/2021 10:24:35 45 43
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Millions who shop at Amazon would disagree with you. Or have you personally asked every household in the UK and got their opinion of Amazon?
171
04/03/2021 10:42:53 2 1
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Hard not to use anazon now that most of the competition has been eliminated.
378
04/03/2021 11:00:00 4 0
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Have you?
465
04/03/2021 11:22:36 7 2
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I've spent a fair few quid at Amazon, but not for 10 years now. I can't be bothered with the necessary due diligence on their marketplace partners, and Amazon doesn't seem bothered either. I can get better choices, service and even pricing using more specialised and knowledgeable retailers.

There's a whole internet out there besides Amazon.

So there's an opinion for you.
556
04/03/2021 11:41:50 8 1
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I agree with you. I like Amazon. They usually have exactly what I want, at a good price, delivered quickly to my door. I don't buy stuff just because its advertised - I buy what I go on their website to find. What is wrong with that?
667
04/03/2021 12:01:50 3 0
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I think you’ve missed the pulse of the nation
This open store will be popular with certain members of the BAME community. Removed
9
04/03/2021 10:14:57 110 19
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Managed to get through Christmas and since without a single Amazon purchase. Easy. They make it too easy to buy rubbish you don't need.
67
04/03/2021 10:24:55 61 10
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Even easier for me as I don't use them at all.
740
04/03/2021 12:14:20 0 0
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Me too
68
04/03/2021 10:24:58 5 5
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I hate with a passion all of the self check outs, not only does it takes jobs away from people that is critical at this time of recovery but also not only am I paying for the shopping I have to do the work to make the payment with no space and constantly having to call over someone as the scanners are rubbish. I won’t even contemplate visiting anywhere that goes the same way.
85
04/03/2021 10:27:27 4 1
bbc
There are no self checkouts. Thats the point. From what you have said, this is your perfect store!
100
04/03/2021 10:30:31 1 1
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Stop using the self check outs then. I would be glad to not have to queue or because an old codger like you is holding everything up. Stop shopping at Asda too.
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DMT
04/03/2021 10:32:45 1 0
bbc
Quite agree. It’s never better at a self service check out is it. It’s not quicker, there’s always a problem, and where’s the benefit to me? If it was cheaper I might consider it, but it’s not a penny cheaper, in which case I’d rather that a paid cashier scanned my goods.
35
04/03/2021 10:18:43 2 5
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3 (thumbs down) people think care workers and nurses are worthless jobs?
69
04/03/2021 10:25:05 8 0
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I didn’t thumb either way, however while I fully agree the jobs you list are worthwhile not everybody will be qualified for them (and some people may simply prefer another line of work). That said I’d rather work in a hospital or care home than for Amazon.
31
04/03/2021 10:18:19 103 20
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If it pays its taxes with NO loopholes...

If it does what is says by sourcing British food...

If it provides fair competition within our market...

If it reduces plastic waste and import pollution...

...no problem as such.

However, it would be better for the UK if we built our own Amazon equivalent.
70
04/03/2021 10:25:13 3 0
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So, do it. You could be the next Jeff B.
61
04/03/2021 10:23:42 76 8
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Wonder what's more valuable to Amazon here. The money spent in store or the extra data they collect on us?
71
04/03/2021 10:25:38 41 0
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Supermarkets gather lots of information on people already. That's how they target people with very specific offers.
103
04/03/2021 10:30:58 9 1
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Not if you don't have a store card and use cash they don't
5
04/03/2021 10:13:12 338 95
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Pay your taxes and I'll consider using it.

Until then, no chance.
72
04/03/2021 10:25:45 14 21
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You need to look at the demographic that uses this shopping service.
There in lies your problem; whoever they are.
61
04/03/2021 10:23:42 76 8
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Wonder what's more valuable to Amazon here. The money spent in store or the extra data they collect on us?
73
04/03/2021 10:25:50 6 1
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Data for sure
24
04/03/2021 10:17:34 2 9
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The future is opening up. Allows the dead end poorly paid shop jobs to be removed. Better if things could all be delivered direct to your home though.
74
JnB
04/03/2021 10:25:59 0 0
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So all the supermarket workers will suddenly get better paid jobs? That makes complete sense.
227
04/03/2021 10:48:45 0 0
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The working world today is totally different to how it was 100 years ago. And I guarantee that the working world will be completely unrecognisable in 100 years compared to today. People will just do different things.
504
04/03/2021 11:29:49 0 1
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They would have to go back to school to retrain. That's assuming they went to school in the first place.
47
04/03/2021 10:15:24 54 14
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Amazon what a lovely company that does not pay taxes and now wants to employ less people.
Fewer. But you are not telling the truth. They have created 35 000 new jobs during this pandemic helping many unemployed people to get back on track. Also they are almost 3 quid above NMW so what you write here does not resemble anything that is truthful and objective.
76
04/03/2021 10:26:12 7 5
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I see that bags are £1 each.

That tells me all I need to know.

No thanks. I'll let the liberals with their daily organic coffee and Guardian subscription to shop there.

I'll stick with Lidl.
138
04/03/2021 10:36:57 2 1
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I'll stick with Morrisons, Sainsbury and Tesco. UK companies paying UK tax, which is nice.
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JnB
04/03/2021 10:54:21 0 0
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The combined impact of people globally who have a similar dismissive attitude to you regarding reducing single use plastics is a bigger problem than companies like Amazon.
I'm not a 'liberal' and don't have a Guardian subscription (although I do like coffee!). Your comment is probably the most ignorant on here.
989
04/03/2021 13:36:30 0 0
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Do all of your type of person make sweeping generalisations, or are you the only total duckhead?
54
AgK
04/03/2021 10:22:43 97 6
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Their argument that HMRC gets tax from the employment they create is somewhat diluted by this development
77
04/03/2021 10:26:30 5 1
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It obviously is a poor argument, especially with no one at the till. Although on this one I suspect they will struggle to argue that a lettuce picked up in a London store can translate in a transaction and therefore tax place in Luxembourg.
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Jim
04/03/2021 10:59:38 3 1
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Re transaction in buying a lettuce - likely they will have to pay a fee to amazon Inc low tax division for the use of the it kit that has tracked and then charged you for the item.
390
04/03/2021 11:09:49 2 1
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Licensing agreements for the tech used, that happened to be developed in low tax jurisdictions can be surprisingly expensive.
It's like the coffee chains with vast revenues but very low UK profits, all profits in other countries which the beans pass through.
You wonder why they are even in business here they make so little money.
78
04/03/2021 10:26:31 4 0
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no staff? in london?
those shelves will be empty within moments....
417
04/03/2021 11:13:20 1 0
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Luckily, robots aren't bothered about being stabbed though!
985
04/03/2021 13:35:03 0 0
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No chance of reading the article, then?
9
04/03/2021 10:14:57 110 19
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Managed to get through Christmas and since without a single Amazon purchase. Easy. They make it too easy to buy rubbish you don't need.
79
04/03/2021 10:26:32 8 2
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Good on you. We boycotted Amazon too but sadly many are continuing to line their pockets at the expense of high street shops and the exchequer.
131
04/03/2021 10:36:04 0 7
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Those "many" you speak of just want the cheapest. Or do you think everyone is fully loaded as you? You're not Rishi Sunak's wife are you?
80
04/03/2021 10:26:55 4 4
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Anyone who ever shops here should hang their head in shame. They are depriving people of jobs.
618
04/03/2021 11:53:37 0 0
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Do you never shop online then?
16
04/03/2021 10:15:50 41 12
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Amazon could (if not already) be dangerous to all. They seem to be wanting total control of the market.
I refrain from using them after buying a fraudulent internet security via them. They declined to do anything about it. No refund and , they let the guy continue selling . They are interested only in gain.
81
04/03/2021 10:26:55 6 3
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Your mistake was buying off a third party seller on Amazon - not much different to buying off a dodgy seller on eBay. In future i suggest you stick with buying from Amazon directly.
113
04/03/2021 10:32:55 2 0
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You are probably right Pind and I thank you.
But on another example , they sell items (obviously) and will do everything for you like, storage, packing , posting, billing etc. The costs to that wipe about just about all profit from any sales. Their advertising cost also cancel out any extra sales. So, only on very high margin can you make a profit else all you do is feed Amazon.
04/03/2021 14:01:12 0 0
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Trevor's mistake was assuming Amazon vetted its 3rd party sellers or gave a damn about its customers being ripped off.

Considering a lot of stuff purchased on Amazon is for gifts, many buyers never find out they have bought counterfeit or low quality goods, because its not charitable to complain to the giver is it?
04/03/2021 14:08:54 0 0
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At least eBay doesn't pretend to be something it isn't, and it is very easy to check out individual sellers. Plus there are no issues getting refunds if a seller lets you down.

Trevor's mistake was clearly shopping on Amazon at all, when there are so much better alternatives.
82
04/03/2021 10:27:02 3 3
bbc
One day we may regret not having cash any more...
117
04/03/2021 10:28:08 0 0
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Why?
255
04/03/2021 10:47:02 1 0
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crypto is better
83
04/03/2021 10:27:06 3 1
bbc
The damage Amazon does just grows by the day. I wouldn't shop in there and I already have an idea on the sort of people that will. Non-ethical robots.
41
04/03/2021 10:20:56 2 0
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Have you any idea how many CCTV camera's pick you up in any given shopping center, high street or supermarket? Alot more than you can guess I would imagine.
84
04/03/2021 10:27:08 0 0
bbc
You really don't understand Amazon's business model, every possible collectable data aspect of your life is used to sell to you. Lab rats are subjected to less scrutiny.
68
04/03/2021 10:24:58 5 5
bbc
I hate with a passion all of the self check outs, not only does it takes jobs away from people that is critical at this time of recovery but also not only am I paying for the shopping I have to do the work to make the payment with no space and constantly having to call over someone as the scanners are rubbish. I won’t even contemplate visiting anywhere that goes the same way.
85
04/03/2021 10:27:27 4 1
bbc
There are no self checkouts. Thats the point. From what you have said, this is your perfect store!
97
04/03/2021 10:29:58 1 0
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No its not, what I want is a till with a person sat there doing the scanning
86
04/03/2021 10:27:32 27 9
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I will not use them
697
04/03/2021 12:07:06 16 11
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Thanks for that, its good to know and a great worthwhile post.
60
04/03/2021 10:23:39 5 2
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There is a line between progress and ruthless profit generation. This is progress in terms of the use of technology, but Amazon is a key drver in the destruction of the high street. As an operation they make money primarily by online sales, so by opening a shop like this with no tills and lower staffing costs, they undercut again. People need to decide what they want the high street to look like.
87
04/03/2021 10:27:43 4 0
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I agree with what you're saying to an extent, but you can't blame Amazon for catering to what people appear to want. The high street is dead because it's inconvenient, not always very pleasant, and difficult for most people to get to. We chose to kill the high street. If we didn't like the Amazon model, it would have failed. Besides, supermarkets did most of the damage anyway decades ago.
162
04/03/2021 10:41:20 0 0
bbc
The high street is dead because Amazon have systematically gone through it market by market and forced everyone out through predatory pricing. It's why Amazon made such heavy losses in its early years. It's our own fault - too many only care about the price and not the long term cost.
169
04/03/2021 10:42:13 0 0
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Yes, and I agree we cannto blame Amazon for basically being a phenomenal business, but it preys of people not thinking about consequences. If people could jump forward in time and see what the high street would be like as a consequence of buying via Amazon, they would probably change their buying habits. It is up to us, but some people just don't want to bother.
12
04/03/2021 10:15:24 58 11
bbc
Less jobs, more profit. Celebrating their achievements? I think not.
Fewer.
194
04/03/2021 10:44:46 8 0
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The golden rule I was taught at school. If you can count it, it's fewer. If you can't count it, it's less. 6 ships in harbour at high tide. Later on 2 ships have sailed and the tide has gone out. So fewer ships in harbour and less water.
200
04/03/2021 10:46:54 1 0
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I'm with Elless about "less" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fewer_versus_less
306
04/03/2021 10:58:45 2 2
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pedant.
5
04/03/2021 10:13:12 338 95
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Pay your taxes and I'll consider using it.

Until then, no chance.
89
04/03/2021 10:28:11 22 46
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Maybe when Boris and Sunak get out of bed with the Amazon fat cats
90
04/03/2021 10:28:24 3 2
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If the quality of the products they sell in store are as cheap and nasty as some of those they sell on their website, you will certainly get what you pay for. Do we really need another Grocery provider? I think not.
114
04/03/2021 10:32:59 1 0
bbc
We don;t, byut they will be cheaper as they are replacing humans and hardware with software.
04/03/2021 14:16:36 0 0
bbc
if (all of everything) has the same quality as (the worst of some things) then... you, sir, you fail so badly at logic.

it won't all be bad, or - guess what - nobody will buy it. If only anyone had thought about that at Amazon HQ. Thanks goodness you're here to help them
9
04/03/2021 10:14:57 110 19
bbc
Managed to get through Christmas and since without a single Amazon purchase. Easy. They make it too easy to buy rubbish you don't need.
91
04/03/2021 10:28:31 5 5
bbc
"They make it too easy to buy rubbish you don't need."
You're saying Amazon hold a gun to customers' heads? Or maybe just don't visit the Amazon website. Simples.
92
04/03/2021 10:28:46 0 0
bbc
Surely this would be an easy system to dupe? A big winter coat drooping open would hide a lot of picking up and putting down?

What if you decide you don't want something and put it on a different shelf?

I'm assuming their trials went well in the US, so they must be confident of their systems....
129
04/03/2021 10:35:31 1 0
bbc
That's what already happens in all supermarkets and shops now. They allow for a certain amount of loss through theft.
93
04/03/2021 10:29:12 2 2
bbc
free food shop in London also computer says no.
will they use a drone to deliver?
94
04/03/2021 10:29:30 1 0
bbc
If this is the future then other things need to be changed to sort out problems that it will cause. Much higher business rates must be paid to help the many people who will not be able to get jobs as this goes into other sectors . Unemployment benefit will need replacing with a universal income that will enable people to have a decent standard of living.
25
04/03/2021 10:17:38 28 12
bbc
I hate Amazon, in my opinion it’s a company with the ethics of a sewer rat. If I’m able to, I will avoid using as much as possible.
95
04/03/2021 10:29:56 2 2
bbc
I think the key phrase is "if I'm able to". I loathe supermarket shopping, but there's now no real alternative to that.
96
04/03/2021 10:29:58 51 2
bbc
People still using the term 'loopholes' when referring to large tax avoiding corps.

This isn't some technicality that's being exploited. The system is deliberately engineered this way.

If you're on PAYE they're laughing at you.
499
04/03/2021 11:28:37 34 3
bbc
Amazon App permissions on IOS...

Health & Fitness
Purchases
Financial Info
Location
Contact Info
Contacts
User Content
Search History
Identifiers
Usage Data
Sensitive Info
Diagnostics
Other Data

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/amazon-shopping/id297606951

No thank you.
826
04/03/2021 12:33:03 1 0
bbc
We always blame the corporations but the fault lies with the tax laws.

it's nothing more than fundamental business principle maximise revenue while reducing costs
85
04/03/2021 10:27:27 4 1
bbc
There are no self checkouts. Thats the point. From what you have said, this is your perfect store!
97
04/03/2021 10:29:58 1 0
bbc
No its not, what I want is a till with a person sat there doing the scanning
98
P2
04/03/2021 10:30:04 1 2
bbc
Great timing. Let’s celebrate needing less jobs!! There’s only 70 million of us in the uk!
99
04/03/2021 10:30:12 18 2
bbc
So Amazon destroys the high street and then is able to put its own shops in situ. is no one seeing this...?
106
04/03/2021 10:31:39 7 1
bbc
Indeed.
108
04/03/2021 10:31:55 2 1
bbc
And the Government is facilitating it.
UK Wasteland.
139
04/03/2021 10:37:11 3 0
bbc
Watch all the companies queuing up to move into the high street now tax on profits has gone up 6%, if you're a bigger company.
Then it will be income tax so people buy less.
Sunak is a disaster. Give it time and you'll see for yourselves.

US has a lower death rate, shop footfall never lower than 80% pre covid, UK is at 20% pre covid. US states starting to open up again.

Sunak spaffing away £££s
04/03/2021 16:41:11 1 0
bbc
Its the British shopper that have destroyed the High Street, by choosing not to shop there. Online buying is not compulsery lol
68
04/03/2021 10:24:58 5 5
bbc
I hate with a passion all of the self check outs, not only does it takes jobs away from people that is critical at this time of recovery but also not only am I paying for the shopping I have to do the work to make the payment with no space and constantly having to call over someone as the scanners are rubbish. I won’t even contemplate visiting anywhere that goes the same way.
100
04/03/2021 10:30:31 1 1
bbc
Stop using the self check outs then. I would be glad to not have to queue or because an old codger like you is holding everything up. Stop shopping at Asda too.
118
04/03/2021 10:33:52 1 0
bbc
You cheeky little S***, I’d like to see you say that to my face