Covid vaccine being tested in patients with low immunity
03/03/2021 | news | health | 631
The race is on to find out if those with cancer and other conditions can be protected as the UK unlocks.
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03/03/2021 10:07:52 31 1
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Well I can only hope the results of this study are positive!
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03/03/2021 10:18:14 0 1
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Cute and clever!
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jay
03/03/2021 10:08:58 3 12
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We developed a jab yet to get the people out of there houses and out of furlough 19
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03/03/2021 10:09:42 24 5
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I suspect this is a non-story really. This will have been done as matter of course within the wider trials and tests for efficacy albeit it being scrutinised and monitored extremely closely.

However, it may well have been expanded more widely.

It needs to be done but very carefully.

Thanks to everyone in the trials who may be putting themselves at risk for the wider good.
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03/03/2021 10:28:36 7 6
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It wasn’t
It is being
Thanks for the safety input
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03/03/2021 12:51:13 2 0
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"This is a non-story" - then why comment on it?
Actually it wasn't specifically done in the wider efficacy trials because immuno-compromised people were excluded as the vaccine may have been a danger!
Also, why is informing people about it unimportant?
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03/03/2021 10:11:14 119 24
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Nice to know that some people out there are willing to test new drugs and medications for the benefit of the population. Anti-vaxxers meanwhile......
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03/03/2021 10:22:08 115 22
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The antivaxxers won't see your comment. They are busy sourcing more tin foil.
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03/03/2021 11:12:34 4 25
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You do realise that there are plenty of other vaccines against other illnesses?

Did the anti-vaxxer bashing work when MMR jab uptake fell off a cliff?
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03/03/2021 11:32:55 3 7
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they are being paid around £1500
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03/03/2021 17:23:05 0 4
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You are a gullible fool, these vaccines have been rolled out prematurely after barely completing phase III without pre market approval testing.
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03/03/2021 23:02:11 0 0
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...possibly benefit the population. Vaccines have never been win win. Is that anti vax too?
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03/03/2021 10:12:25 30 1
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Good news for vulnerable people.

Had my say, BBC.
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03/03/2021 10:12:25 18 11
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Seems a bit odd this wasn't done earlier, surely these are the most vulnerable and likely to 'threaten' the NHS.
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03/03/2021 10:16:33 26 1
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Its a difficult risk management. Trialling the vaccine to see if it works, you want the best case- which is people most likely to respond, less likely to get ill if they don't. That's young adults/middle aged.

Now we know it works, its a balance between checking it works in the elderly, checking it works on immunocompromised, and rolling out en masse while production is still limited.
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03/03/2021 10:16:43 9 1
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Not really. Whilst it's quite true to say that these people have a significantly higher than average need for the vaccine, it's unfortunately also true to say that these tests wouldn't really be meaningful until we had more of an idea of what constitutes a "typical" vaccine response.
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03/03/2021 10:13:31 151 8
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Surely for once, here, we can all agree that we hope the results are positive.
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03/03/2021 10:18:03 54 5
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Personally I hope their Covid test is negative :p
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03/03/2021 11:55:40 6 0
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Fully agree, but as usual this HYS has gone down the drain as they all unfortunately do.
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nic
03/03/2021 12:55:48 0 16
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No because we aren’t all gullible
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04/03/2021 08:08:25 1 0
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Possible reason for the slowing in the rate of COVID infections decline is that vaccination rate has also declined over the past 4 weeks from approx 500,000 daily jabs to 250,000 daily jabs.
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03/03/2021 10:14:07 4 14
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All good stuff, can we have independent validated general data on the Oxford vaccine. That doesn’t mean from Public health England or Scotland .
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03/03/2021 10:15:52 13 4
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There are independant
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03/03/2021 10:17:14 3 3
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Why monsieur Macron, are you still trying to extricate yourself from your faux pas
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03/03/2021 10:49:55 0 2
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need data from Russia or China
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03/03/2021 11:12:30 0 1
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Are you a scientist? The data has been validated by the trial sponsor and then the regulator.
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03/03/2021 10:15:49 4 32
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People with low immunity are always going to be vulnerable to illness and diseases. This is a pointless story.
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03/03/2021 10:19:11 28 4
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So you're saying its not worthwhile finding out if people who have been shielding are safe to return to normal life once vaccinated? Where's your empathy mate?
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03/03/2021 10:19:19 9 1
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" ... always ... ". How negative can you get?
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03/03/2021 10:21:48 9 1
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Unless you or a loved one (if you have any) are immunocompromised, then it is the most important news of the day!
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03/03/2021 10:23:57 8 1
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Yes but decent human beings would want to help them not just wash there hands of them with no help
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03/03/2021 11:23:36 2 1
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There is a large range of immunosuppression levels and treatments. Important to know which treatments and hence individuals are still at increased risk and the level of this risk.
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03/03/2021 10:14:07 4 14
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All good stuff, can we have independent validated general data on the Oxford vaccine. That doesn’t mean from Public health England or Scotland .
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03/03/2021 10:15:52 13 4
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There are independant
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03/03/2021 10:12:25 18 11
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Seems a bit odd this wasn't done earlier, surely these are the most vulnerable and likely to 'threaten' the NHS.
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03/03/2021 10:16:33 26 1
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Its a difficult risk management. Trialling the vaccine to see if it works, you want the best case- which is people most likely to respond, less likely to get ill if they don't. That's young adults/middle aged.

Now we know it works, its a balance between checking it works in the elderly, checking it works on immunocompromised, and rolling out en masse while production is still limited.
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03/03/2021 10:50:44 0 6
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no vaccine works 100% its around 60%
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03/03/2021 10:16:43 129 3
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I hope the results are good. I'm immunocompromised and fed up of shielding- my husband is a teacher, we have 2 school age children, I'd like to work at work sometime instead of at home.
I've had the first vaccine, second in 3 weeks- it would be great to know if it worked or not (blood test for antibodies might be helpful?).
Hi to all the immunocompromised people out there, keep on keeping on!
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03/03/2021 10:19:13 56 1
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Very best of luck to you.
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03/03/2021 10:20:22 14 1
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Best wishes to you and your family! Stay strong, the end is (hopefully) in sight...
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03/03/2021 10:42:34 10 1
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Great comment ??
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03/03/2021 10:49:18 1 19
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well the vaccine is not 100%
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03/03/2021 11:15:24 4 1
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Hope it is good news for you x
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03/03/2021 11:21:40 9 1
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Fingers crossed one of the last and very important bricks in the vaccine wall.

Stay well and safe in the meantime
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03/03/2021 11:47:43 12 0
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how on earth can you down vote that statement
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03/03/2021 11:52:18 6 1
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Hi - it's been a long long haul. Had my first too.
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04/03/2021 11:13:55 2 0
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Like you my husband has been both working and shielding at home.
One thing that often gets on our nerves is the assumption that everyone shielding is old and doesn’t go to work. There is a group of people who believe that all you have to do is lock the old away and totally open up with no restrictions.
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04/03/2021 12:04:20 0 0
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I've got a liver disorder due to a wonky immune system. I've had the 1st jab (Pfizer) and had no side effects, so is it working? My other half had the AZ and had mild headache and shivers for 24 hrs after. I'd like to know if we both have antibodies now. I'm really fed up of sheltering at home, it's been a dull year!
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04/03/2021 21:21:49 0 0
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I'm immunocompromised to,but l go to work serving the public everyday,we need to keep ourselves healthy and get on with life.this can only be a good thing.
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03/03/2021 10:12:25 18 11
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Seems a bit odd this wasn't done earlier, surely these are the most vulnerable and likely to 'threaten' the NHS.
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03/03/2021 10:16:43 9 1
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Not really. Whilst it's quite true to say that these people have a significantly higher than average need for the vaccine, it's unfortunately also true to say that these tests wouldn't really be meaningful until we had more of an idea of what constitutes a "typical" vaccine response.
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03/03/2021 10:14:07 4 14
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All good stuff, can we have independent validated general data on the Oxford vaccine. That doesn’t mean from Public health England or Scotland .
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03/03/2021 10:17:14 3 3
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Why monsieur Macron, are you still trying to extricate yourself from your faux pas
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03/03/2021 10:17:19 6 14
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Not really worth a hys.
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03/03/2021 10:29:28 9 2
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What would you prefer, a have your say on Love Island?
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03/03/2021 10:31:28 9 1
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And yet you commented. Oh the irony ??
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03/03/2021 10:13:31 151 8
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Surely for once, here, we can all agree that we hope the results are positive.
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03/03/2021 10:18:03 54 5
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Personally I hope their Covid test is negative :p
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03/03/2021 10:18:14 0 1
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Cute and clever!
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03/03/2021 10:15:49 4 32
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People with low immunity are always going to be vulnerable to illness and diseases. This is a pointless story.
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03/03/2021 10:19:11 28 4
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So you're saying its not worthwhile finding out if people who have been shielding are safe to return to normal life once vaccinated? Where's your empathy mate?
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03/03/2021 10:32:24 1 1
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Could be Ted Bundy under another name.
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03/03/2021 15:56:00 0 0
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Why would it be? It makes no difference if they are or not. What a silly thing to write.
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03/03/2021 10:16:43 129 3
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I hope the results are good. I'm immunocompromised and fed up of shielding- my husband is a teacher, we have 2 school age children, I'd like to work at work sometime instead of at home.
I've had the first vaccine, second in 3 weeks- it would be great to know if it worked or not (blood test for antibodies might be helpful?).
Hi to all the immunocompromised people out there, keep on keeping on!
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03/03/2021 10:19:13 56 1
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Very best of luck to you.
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03/03/2021 10:19:16 8 45
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If people want to be vaccinated it is your choice, and you may take as many 'fixes' as you are offered. Many of us prefer not to become addicted to untested pharmaceutical drugs, and that is our choice too. I respect your right to choose.

If you get an adverse reaction to vaccination you are entitled to receive treatment for the consequence of your free choice. Good luck.
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03/03/2021 10:22:59 23 5
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Thanks fir the insight into choice

On the flip side a consequence of a choice not to be vaccinated is less freedom of movement as the majority won’t want to be mixing with potential carriers.
I respect your choice to that though
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03/03/2021 10:24:23 18 3
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A vaccine is not a drug!
Please take your anti vax message to a forum where it is welcomed, most people on here will be pleased that another section of society are being helped.
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03/03/2021 10:51:19 4 2
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It’s noticeable that the fear behind such a stance is dressed up as wisdom and superiority. I agree with Dolly Parton’s view as to why folk don’t get vaccinated.
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03/03/2021 10:48:58 2 1
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vaccine will be needed every year
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03/03/2021 11:08:11 4 1
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Your post is incorrect. Vaccines have been tested on tens of thousands of volunteers and showed safety and efficacy, confirmed by hundreds of millions of people protected worldwide. Vaccines are not addictive. Stop spreading lies.
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03/03/2021 11:52:59 1 0
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"Many of us prefer not to become addicted to untested pharmaceutical drugs"
Addicted?
Untested?
Perhaps read up on the science behind the various vaccines in use, and also the extensive testing programmes that have been undertaken before posting.
I respect your right to chose whether to refuse the vaccine, but I have no respect for anyone posting such uninformed nonsense ...
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03/03/2021 13:48:32 0 0
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If you get an adverse reaction, you are entitle to receive treatment, but you are not entitled to any compensation. Our government waived our rights to that for us.
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03/03/2021 13:51:23 0 0
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You would rather take your chances with a tested killer virus then. Good luck with a severe dose then.
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03/03/2021 14:58:33 0 0
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The same argument on 'choice' was made when the seat belt law was introduced. people now might find that amazing but there was a good percentage that refused to wear them as was your 'right' to injure or kill yourself (forgetting the impact on NHS, family ). Re testing, I guess you only eat food grown in your garden and not the untested chemical stuff from the supermarket then?
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03/03/2021 10:15:49 4 32
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People with low immunity are always going to be vulnerable to illness and diseases. This is a pointless story.
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03/03/2021 10:19:19 9 1
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" ... always ... ". How negative can you get?
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03/03/2021 10:19:33 8 11
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Cue the epidemiologist/virologist experts telling all and sundry
Why it shouldn't be done
Why wasn’t it done earlier
Then there’ll be the usual it’s all scaremongering for control by mysterious groups
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03/03/2021 10:16:43 129 3
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I hope the results are good. I'm immunocompromised and fed up of shielding- my husband is a teacher, we have 2 school age children, I'd like to work at work sometime instead of at home.
I've had the first vaccine, second in 3 weeks- it would be great to know if it worked or not (blood test for antibodies might be helpful?).
Hi to all the immunocompromised people out there, keep on keeping on!
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03/03/2021 10:20:22 14 1
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Best wishes to you and your family! Stay strong, the end is (hopefully) in sight...
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03/03/2021 10:20:40 47 1
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Fingers crossed for all those shielding they get a definite answer that they are safe to resume some semblance of normality.
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03/03/2021 11:51:50 11 33
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I am supposed to shield. I don't. I'm not waiting until some out of touch politician tells me when it's safe to come out of hiding. I choose when I leave my house, not them.
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03/03/2021 10:15:49 4 32
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People with low immunity are always going to be vulnerable to illness and diseases. This is a pointless story.
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03/03/2021 10:21:48 9 1
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Unless you or a loved one (if you have any) are immunocompromised, then it is the most important news of the day!
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I'm trailing something new here! I'm going to read the whole article, rather than commenting on the headline alone. Anyone else tried this? Removed
Weirdo! I'm sticking to reading the headline and up/downvoting comments based solely on my existing prejudices. Read the article indeed! What madness. ;) Removed
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03/03/2021 11:04:49 8 1
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I'm pretty sure some people on here don't even read the whole headline before commenting.
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03/03/2021 11:35:06 5 1
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Many read the headline and select mentally from around 3-4 preformed comments, often with at least 1criticising the BBC
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03/03/2021 11:48:40 2 0
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Wish more people would read the whole article rather than just the headline, although I am sure most have been guilty of this.
Headlines are designed to grab attention and normally in a negative manner.
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03/03/2021 11:52:05 0 0
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But if they read it they would have to comment on the subject rather than on whatever bee is in their bonnet (usually Brexit for or against).
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03/03/2021 10:06:21 70 18
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Scientists - well done.

Politicians - stop trying to steal their glory
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03/03/2021 11:39:12 12 1
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Well said.
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03/03/2021 11:40:56 3 2
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Do they only get blame because things don’t work?

Never praise for doing things well?

You’re obviously not an employer.........
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03/03/2021 11:48:56 4 2
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Yes, they steal the glory and also place the blame on scientists when needed.
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03/03/2021 11:49:46 2 0
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To be fair, the politicians have been falling over themselves to praise the scientists at every opportunity.
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03/03/2021 12:02:01 6 3
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This is a government who ignored the scientists telling them to take this seriously in Feb 2020, who ignored the calls from SAGE for a 2nd lockdown in September to prevent a 2nd wave (which has so far killed 80,000 and left half a million with long Covid), and has required a longer and more economically damaging lockdown to deal with that failure.
They are desperate to deflect from their failures
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03/03/2021 10:11:14 119 24
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Nice to know that some people out there are willing to test new drugs and medications for the benefit of the population. Anti-vaxxers meanwhile......
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03/03/2021 10:22:08 115 22
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The antivaxxers won't see your comment. They are busy sourcing more tin foil.
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03/03/2021 10:45:48 22 20
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Or ripping down statues!
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03/03/2021 11:33:17 7 19
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Or working in hospitals where they've managed a whole year without and can manage another.
The beautiful thing is, you cant do anything about it!
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03/03/2021 11:59:42 1 6
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its ok the vaccine is not 100% just facts
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03/03/2021 17:23:39 1 2
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Are you a clinician, if not your comment is not relevant.
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03/03/2021 23:07:16 0 1
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I've read this exact comment before! What has a vaccine got to do with tin foil? I'm thinking about possible long term effects, that's all.
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03/03/2021 10:19:16 8 45
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If people want to be vaccinated it is your choice, and you may take as many 'fixes' as you are offered. Many of us prefer not to become addicted to untested pharmaceutical drugs, and that is our choice too. I respect your right to choose.

If you get an adverse reaction to vaccination you are entitled to receive treatment for the consequence of your free choice. Good luck.
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03/03/2021 10:22:59 23 5
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Thanks fir the insight into choice

On the flip side a consequence of a choice not to be vaccinated is less freedom of movement as the majority won’t want to be mixing with potential carriers.
I respect your choice to that though
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03/03/2021 10:30:05 7 5
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But you can still pass it on and catch it if you have the vaccine. Explain your issue with mixing with non vaccinated people if you have had your vaccine why would you be bothered? Surely you did it for reasons other than everyone else seemed to be doing it?
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03/03/2021 10:30:58 8 3
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I thought that everyone was a potential carrier regardless of having had the vaccine? The vaccine reduces the likelihood of serious symptoms, but you can still catch it and spread it. Isn't that the case?
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03/03/2021 15:30:25 0 0
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Why would you be worried about "mixing with potential carriers"? You've been vaccinated haven't you? Or perhaps it doesn't work?
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03/03/2021 10:23:36 8 8
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How do we explain the similar remarkable fall in cases in Spain who have a vaccine rate a tenth of our own.

Do lockdowns or vaccines actually make any difference?

I really don't know the answer to the California vs Floida stats either.

It is most odd.
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03/03/2021 10:27:47 5 3
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And India
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03/03/2021 10:28:04 12 5
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Possibly the difference between a population who obey restrictions on gatherings and those who don't.
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03/03/2021 10:28:28 10 3
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Could it be the warmer, drier weather they have? (In general). Or the much lower population density? Or is it all a conspiracy?

P.S. it isn’t the last one.
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03/03/2021 10:47:03 1 4
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None of our lot in the UK follow any rules.

There we are, solved.
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03/03/2021 10:48:37 0 5
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nope all theres been drop in covid in usa too ...masks seem to work
Let's get everyone vaccinated and return to total normality. Anti-vaccers are the usual bonkers anti-everything weirdos from a class of whining, risk-averse spineless placard-brandishing bellyachers with a permanent sense of victimhood. Removed
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03/03/2021 10:28:14 34 12
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Absolutely! Your comment is the comment of the decade.
Yet accuse everyone of being a 'racist'! Removed
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03/03/2021 10:52:03 3 2
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The problem is with mutations, not quite as simple as you make it seem
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03/03/2021 10:55:04 5 5
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there will be no "total normality" some restrictions and tests are here to stay and had they already been in place we would be in a far better situation. Asia was better prepared as they have already been through SARS
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03/03/2021 10:48:05 2 14
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pro vacciners are bankers
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03/03/2021 10:55:35 6 6
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I prefer that people in society are trusted to make a choice.

Largely that is true, people decided to stay at home, to wear a mask, to not visit elderly relatives etc.

I think removing that choice from the majority because of a very small minority is merely asking for more trouble.

Uptake of the vaccine, now 21 million, is 90% and over, so finger pointing at a tiny group isn't helpful.
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03/03/2021 10:56:27 16 6
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Let's not forget that the reason why people with cancer etc need to go through these tests is because of anti-vaxxers. If the latter got themselves vaccinated, it would massively reduce the risk of those with low immunity coming in contact with an infected person. But as usual they will selfishly whine about "personal freedoms" rather than considering others for once.
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03/03/2021 10:58:43 6 4
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When we get on top of covid these people will move on to the next thing to protest about. Reminds me of the Socialist Workers Party in the town I was born in. Every Saturday they would be there. Only 2 or 3 of them waving their placards and always a negative message. Each week against something different.
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03/03/2021 10:59:18 3 10
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Will it be you coming at me with a needle? Or will you be delegating this tricky task to someone else? Talk is cheap sir.
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03/03/2021 11:00:30 4 3
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...Agreed. The sort of folk who would just find something else to protest about if it wasn't vaccines. Nature's Whingers.
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03/03/2021 11:05:29 4 4
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Nothing like a bit of generalisation to start the day Dave.
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03/03/2021 11:18:03 1 1
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Stop beating about the bush. Say what you mean.??????
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03/03/2021 11:18:28 1 2
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200,000 front NHS staff are refusing to have the vaccination. Are the "usual bonkers anti-everything weirdos from a class of whining, risk-averse spineless placard-brandishing bellyachers with a permanent sense of victimhood" or do they know something we are not being told?
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03/03/2021 11:18:50 1 3
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You don't have to be anti because you choose not to have it. It's a choice, which every individual on the planet has ,if called freedom.
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03/03/2021 11:19:37 0 1
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Oh yes. Dave Griffin. Get out there and spread the good word!
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03/03/2021 11:34:25 0 1
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The BLM protesters are very much in this camp. We condoned vandalism of public property because some people were upset, and because of very nasty events in the USA. The statement "black lives matter" is one of the most discriminatory statements I have ever heard used in the public domain - all lives matter, full stop. Morgan Freeman commented on this sort of thing, and he was bang on.
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03/03/2021 10:11:34 83 1
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I have MS and I’ve recently had my COVID-19 vaccine. ????
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03/03/2021 10:25:55 55 2
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Good for you. Stay well.
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03/03/2021 10:47:41 10 2
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Nice to hear about your jab, stay safe!
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03/03/2021 12:02:59 3 0
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I have juvenile rheumatoid arthritis and was vaccinated in january. Next jab in april. Hoping to save goodbye to shielding sometime this year.
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03/03/2021 13:24:03 1 2
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Whoever downvoted this must wake up every morning and think "right. Who's parade can I **** on today"
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03/03/2021 14:25:16 0 0
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Yes all those with a weak immunity should have had one, so a bit late to run a trial.
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04/03/2021 21:05:39 0 0
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I have MS and not eligible yet. Well done, keep safe.
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03/03/2021 10:13:41 19 16
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Hopefully, maybe with a suitable adjuvant, these vaccines can be made to work in such people. However, the bottom line is that the lives of the overwhelming majority most not be turned upside down for a very tiny minority. This would be totally immoral, and economically (even more) disasterous.
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03/03/2021 10:27:18 8 20
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You mean like the last year and a bit
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03/03/2021 10:29:06 15 7
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You keep parroting the same thing. This is NOT about you or the minority. This is about us as a society "not caring" who dies as long as it's nothing to do with me.

Over 100'000 families have lost someone and I would hope you can have some empathy as to what it feels to them.

But you might not care if people died in ambulances waiting to get into hospital.

This "I'm alright Jack" is immoral.
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03/03/2021 10:47:38 8 1
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covid is serious its not the flu
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03/03/2021 10:15:49 4 32
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People with low immunity are always going to be vulnerable to illness and diseases. This is a pointless story.
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03/03/2021 10:23:57 8 1
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Yes but decent human beings would want to help them not just wash there hands of them with no help
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03/03/2021 10:19:16 8 45
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If people want to be vaccinated it is your choice, and you may take as many 'fixes' as you are offered. Many of us prefer not to become addicted to untested pharmaceutical drugs, and that is our choice too. I respect your right to choose.

If you get an adverse reaction to vaccination you are entitled to receive treatment for the consequence of your free choice. Good luck.
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03/03/2021 10:24:23 18 3
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A vaccine is not a drug!
Please take your anti vax message to a forum where it is welcomed, most people on here will be pleased that another section of society are being helped.
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03/03/2021 13:49:53 1 0
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Surely you feel more comfortable on a forum where both sides of a debate are allowed to express their opinions?
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03/03/2021 15:27:26 0 1
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A junkie injects chemicals into their arms with a syringe. Vaccine chemicals are injected into arms with a syringe. The junkie has their "fix" hoping to feel better. What's so different about this process?
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03/03/2021 10:11:34 83 1
bbc
I have MS and I’ve recently had my COVID-19 vaccine. ????
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03/03/2021 10:25:55 55 2
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Good for you. Stay well.
420
03/03/2021 13:15:43 0 5
bbc
Seems a bit harsh to say "Good for you" to someone who has just told you they have MS.
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03/03/2021 10:27:02 13 32
bbc
For goodness sake! Please just open up. The country literally cannot afford to keep the economy shut. Pick a date (June?), work towards it. Open up. Protect anyone who still needs protection as well as possible. Some will die, that is inevitable. We need to become OK with people dying again - like we were 12 months ago. Otherwise we are ALL goosed.
48
03/03/2021 10:29:28 28 18
bbc
So it is OK if you or one of your loved ones die? As long as everyone else can get on with their lives. How dare YOU and those with the same opinion condemn others to death!
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FF
03/03/2021 10:30:08 12 1
bbc
People die? No sheet Sherlock, would you like to volunteer a member of your family in the statistics?
53
03/03/2021 10:30:40 12 1
bbc
Earth to tinfoil hat wearers
Governments around the world are opening up
You’ll change your tune if it’s a close friend relative or you on that bed
54
03/03/2021 10:30:48 8 1
bbc
I believe the roadmap has dates, "not before", but nonetheless dates. I think we are OK with people dying, it's unnecessary deaths that cause the furore.
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03/03/2021 10:40:40 4 3
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Fair play - it’s really difficult to see WHY people are so upset about it. It’s not like over 123,000 mums, dads, sons, daughters, brothers and sisters in the UK have DIED or anything.

Wait a minute...
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03/03/2021 10:47:08 1 1
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theres too many covid strains from abroad ...it will render the vaccine useless other wise
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03/03/2021 10:13:41 19 16
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Hopefully, maybe with a suitable adjuvant, these vaccines can be made to work in such people. However, the bottom line is that the lives of the overwhelming majority most not be turned upside down for a very tiny minority. This would be totally immoral, and economically (even more) disasterous.
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03/03/2021 10:27:18 8 20
bbc
You mean like the last year and a bit
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03/03/2021 10:23:36 8 8
bbc
How do we explain the similar remarkable fall in cases in Spain who have a vaccine rate a tenth of our own.

Do lockdowns or vaccines actually make any difference?

I really don't know the answer to the California vs Floida stats either.

It is most odd.
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03/03/2021 10:27:47 5 3
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And India
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03/03/2021 10:49:07 0 1
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I have an Indian Doctor friend and the way they're managing it there is fascinating. No room here for detailed information but it's worth a read.
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03/03/2021 10:59:42 1 1
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In India they don't know why according to the report I read. It could be to do with the age of people and obesity. Life expectancy in India is just under 70.
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03/03/2021 10:23:36 8 8
bbc
How do we explain the similar remarkable fall in cases in Spain who have a vaccine rate a tenth of our own.

Do lockdowns or vaccines actually make any difference?

I really don't know the answer to the California vs Floida stats either.

It is most odd.
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03/03/2021 10:28:04 12 5
bbc
Possibly the difference between a population who obey restrictions on gatherings and those who don't.
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03/03/2021 10:39:08 3 1
bbc
Have you watched the test match in the last month no SD no masks crowded stadiums yep all those measures sure made a difference in India
Let's get everyone vaccinated and return to total normality. Anti-vaccers are the usual bonkers anti-everything weirdos from a class of whining, risk-averse spineless placard-brandishing bellyachers with a permanent sense of victimhood. Removed
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03/03/2021 10:28:14 34 12
bbc
Absolutely! Your comment is the comment of the decade.
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03/03/2021 10:33:20 4 7
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Thankyou. Most kind.
43
03/03/2021 10:28:25 7 22
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This is pure distraction and nothing else! Millions have been ignored for over a year by the CHS, sorry NHS now,any action now is a drop in the ocean!
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03/03/2021 10:50:15 6 3
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What are you actually on about? Stop moaning.
121
03/03/2021 10:48:55 0 1
bbc
Not for the people affected....

??
165
03/03/2021 11:11:43 2 1
bbc
The non availability of NHS services arose because all the capacity was utilised dealing with COVID patients. Are you supporting expansion of the NHS? If so, please say so and stop moaning.
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03/03/2021 10:23:36 8 8
bbc
How do we explain the similar remarkable fall in cases in Spain who have a vaccine rate a tenth of our own.

Do lockdowns or vaccines actually make any difference?

I really don't know the answer to the California vs Floida stats either.

It is most odd.
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03/03/2021 10:28:28 10 3
bbc
Could it be the warmer, drier weather they have? (In general). Or the much lower population density? Or is it all a conspiracy?

P.S. it isn’t the last one.
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03/03/2021 10:09:42 24 5
bbc
I suspect this is a non-story really. This will have been done as matter of course within the wider trials and tests for efficacy albeit it being scrutinised and monitored extremely closely.

However, it may well have been expanded more widely.

It needs to be done but very carefully.

Thanks to everyone in the trials who may be putting themselves at risk for the wider good.
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03/03/2021 10:28:36 7 6
bbc
It wasn’t
It is being
Thanks for the safety input
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03/03/2021 10:13:41 19 16
bbc
Hopefully, maybe with a suitable adjuvant, these vaccines can be made to work in such people. However, the bottom line is that the lives of the overwhelming majority most not be turned upside down for a very tiny minority. This would be totally immoral, and economically (even more) disasterous.
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FF
03/03/2021 10:29:06 15 7
bbc
You keep parroting the same thing. This is NOT about you or the minority. This is about us as a society "not caring" who dies as long as it's nothing to do with me.

Over 100'000 families have lost someone and I would hope you can have some empathy as to what it feels to them.

But you might not care if people died in ambulances waiting to get into hospital.

This "I'm alright Jack" is immoral.
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03/03/2021 10:37:54 3 12
bbc
Do you have the figures of those dying in ambulances this last winter versus every winter for the last ten years - I imagine it's much less.
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03/03/2021 10:44:25 11 8
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Nonsense. If society cared about deaths and not just covid deaths, smoking, cars, sugar, etc would all be banned. The country has taken unprecedented steps to minimize deaths from covid, but to think it will be zero deaths by June is to not live in the real world.
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03/03/2021 10:48:50 9 8
bbc
Worth remembering though that in that time around 600,000 people have died waiting for normal life to resume.
There are no easy choices, but delay comes with a huge cost
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03/03/2021 11:05:43 4 5
bbc
"Over 100'000 families have lost someone and I would hope you can have some empathy as to what it feels to them."

I would hope YOU would have some empathy for all those who have lost their jobs, businesses, and homes.

I would hope YOU would have some empathy for all those young people who have had their education wrecked, and their mental health destroyed.
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03/03/2021 10:29:14 4 58
bbc
"People with low immunity due to health conditions, including cancer, are being recruited to a study..."

=UK is the only nation which uses humans (instead of lab rats) to test the vaccines that may kill these people, as far as I knew only Germany in 1940s and Japan in WW2 use human prisoners to test chemical weapons or drugs

DISGUSTING !
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03/03/2021 10:34:00 27 3
bbc
Nonsense. These are volunteers, the examples you cite didn't give people the choice. We have a plethora of examples where people volunteer for trials, myself included, for all manner of treatments.
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03/03/2021 10:34:52 12 4
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Don't recall Germany or Japan asking for volunteers in the 1940's?
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03/03/2021 10:37:18 11 2
bbc
Their volunteers not prisoners
66
03/03/2021 10:38:48 14 4
bbc
Stupid clickbait comment.
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03/03/2021 10:39:44 12 2
bbc
Stupid comment to make. Every vaccine indeed every medicine has to undergo human clinical trial stage before it is passes regulation.
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03/03/2021 10:40:46 8 2
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This post shows how folk use peculiar and outlandish ‘arguments’ to support a case. And at the root of it is fear. Plain and simple
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03/03/2021 10:42:50 2 2
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They are volunteers, usually unpaid, who test vaccines. I'm one of them. As for prisoners, it might be a good idea to test vaccines on them, which would be a way of mitigating their crimes. Don't waste sympathy on them.
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03/03/2021 10:44:32 7 3
bbc
how is testing it on lab rats with cancer going to show if it provides humans with cancer any protection, as I don´t think rats can catch it anyway
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03/03/2021 10:44:51 8 2
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All medicines undergo human trials, its the only way to be sure they work and are safe. They are not tested on humans until other studies demonstrate they are safe enough.
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03/03/2021 10:46:04 5 2
bbc
Stupid comment!
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03/03/2021 10:48:29 4 2
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These people are volunteering to have the vaccine! In this country you are offered it not forced!

A world away from you rant about Germany and Japan in the 1940’s. They didn’t use volunteers.
107
03/03/2021 10:52:16 2 1
bbc
Oh dear...?????
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03/03/2021 10:53:08 2 1
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It's only because people have total confidentiality on these HYS sites that bile like yours gets published. If every country did a fraction of the testing done here in the UK this bloody virus would have perhaps killed tens of thousands not millions. New strains would not have been discovered. You would have to change your name to notfairnotfairnotfair.
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03/03/2021 11:00:02 0 4
bbc
WOW WOW WOW, lots of commentators here jumped out and argued that if these people are "volunteers", then they can risk themselves to die as they wish

WOW, what a lowest ever moral standard of the UK public view nowadays, it is alike moving back to the barbarian roman time when a "volunteer" fighter fought a beast and the rest hailed hohohohohohoho

?
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03/03/2021 11:04:37 1 1
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This is an absolute falsehood and should be prevented from posting. The present vaccines were tested on tens of thousands of volunteers and demonstrated safety and efficacy, confirmed by hundreds of millions of doses given to society at large.
151
03/03/2021 11:06:46 2 1
bbc
Rubbish. The vaccine is proven to be safe, this is an EFFICACY study to find out how much it reduces risk of death from covid-19 in these people.
196
03/03/2021 11:24:11 1 1
bbc
Attention seeking troll alert.
Please stop giving this poster the oxygen of reaction that he craves.
248
03/03/2021 11:45:48 0 0
bbc
You are a sad, sad person. I feel sorry for you.
38
03/03/2021 10:27:02 13 32
bbc
For goodness sake! Please just open up. The country literally cannot afford to keep the economy shut. Pick a date (June?), work towards it. Open up. Protect anyone who still needs protection as well as possible. Some will die, that is inevitable. We need to become OK with people dying again - like we were 12 months ago. Otherwise we are ALL goosed.
48
03/03/2021 10:29:28 28 18
bbc
So it is OK if you or one of your loved ones die? As long as everyone else can get on with their lives. How dare YOU and those with the same opinion condemn others to death!
62
03/03/2021 10:35:54 9 10
bbc
People die unfortunately that's a fact of life but we seem to have become obsessed with the thought that everyone is immortal. There is no denying it is sad that some people unfortunately succumb to Covid but these same people would potentially have died had they caught numerous other things. We need an adult conversation about balancing quality Vs quantity of life.
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03/03/2021 10:39:35 4 10
bbc
Of course! My loved ones will die. I will die as well. What I am not ok with is that they don’t get to actually live.
For Goodness sake, chill out with the over reaction!
And also, my father-in-law lost his mother. My step father has had serious delays in his cancer treatment (because of this) and I am sure even you can work out the consequences? So don’t you dare get all holier than thou.
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03/03/2021 10:39:49 7 4
bbc
Do you believe that the aim should be zero people die of Covid? Because that seems to be Government policy and I can tell you its folly. If the government cared so much about peoples health then smoking would have been banned decades ago.
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03/03/2021 13:49:23 0 0
bbc
No one is immortal. 600,000 die every year. I think it's rather selfish to sacrifice the future of the young to briefly extend the lives of the old.
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03/03/2021 10:17:19 6 14
bbc
Not really worth a hys.
49
03/03/2021 10:29:28 9 2
bbc
What would you prefer, a have your say on Love Island?
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03/03/2021 10:22:59 23 5
bbc
Thanks fir the insight into choice

On the flip side a consequence of a choice not to be vaccinated is less freedom of movement as the majority won’t want to be mixing with potential carriers.
I respect your choice to that though
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03/03/2021 10:30:05 7 5
bbc
But you can still pass it on and catch it if you have the vaccine. Explain your issue with mixing with non vaccinated people if you have had your vaccine why would you be bothered? Surely you did it for reasons other than everyone else seemed to be doing it?
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03/03/2021 10:35:42 8 4
bbc
Difficult for some to understand but the vaccine does not prevent catching the virus it reduces it (greatly in most cases)
Why would any sane person mix with groups of people who’ve decide not to help population
But again your choice have it rejoin society
Don’t have it be restricted
Choice is a double edged sword
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03/03/2021 10:27:02 13 32
bbc
For goodness sake! Please just open up. The country literally cannot afford to keep the economy shut. Pick a date (June?), work towards it. Open up. Protect anyone who still needs protection as well as possible. Some will die, that is inevitable. We need to become OK with people dying again - like we were 12 months ago. Otherwise we are ALL goosed.
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FF
03/03/2021 10:30:08 12 1
bbc
People die? No sheet Sherlock, would you like to volunteer a member of your family in the statistics?
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03/03/2021 10:40:21 3 9
bbc
Oh give over. We are all statistics in one way or another. You are scared. I get it. So are lots of people for different reasons. Your reason for being scared isn’t more important that anyone else’s!
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03/03/2021 10:30:09 9 27
bbc
Kidney transplant post 17 years, had my vaccine 4 weeks ago, all good. So why this study is warranted is baffling. Patients like myself have the flu vaccine every year, yet we don't have these studies.. Just get the country back open and working, no need to keep kicking the can down the road with endless studies.
63
03/03/2021 10:36:44 17 2
bbc
Erm, it's to work out what vaccine offers us the best protection.
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03/03/2021 10:39:11 1 9
bbc
Well done, Templar Knight. You're a stout-hearted non- moaner with a realistic outlook.
80
03/03/2021 10:43:55 11 2
bbc
With the anti-vaxxers misrepresenting every tiny detail to promote their anti-science death cult, the vaccine developers can't afford to take short-cuts. Has to be beyond reproach
111
03/03/2021 10:53:26 1 1
bbc
Surely you would want to know how effective your protection is so as to make choices that best suit you going forward, whether you want to take extra risks will then be down to you but I bet you will be the first to complain that nobody told me I wasn't protected if you caught it.
114
03/03/2021 10:46:31 1 1
bbc
flu has been virtually eliminated this year
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03/03/2021 10:56:57 1 1
bbc
The study is to find out the efficacy of the vaccine in people like you. You don't know if the vaccine is protecting you or not, you can't tell that just from being 'all good'. The study isn't kicking the can down the road, it is not preventing the country recovering, it is seeing how likely you are to die from covid-19.
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03/03/2021 10:27:02 13 32
bbc
For goodness sake! Please just open up. The country literally cannot afford to keep the economy shut. Pick a date (June?), work towards it. Open up. Protect anyone who still needs protection as well as possible. Some will die, that is inevitable. We need to become OK with people dying again - like we were 12 months ago. Otherwise we are ALL goosed.
53
03/03/2021 10:30:40 12 1
bbc
Earth to tinfoil hat wearers
Governments around the world are opening up
You’ll change your tune if it’s a close friend relative or you on that bed
38
03/03/2021 10:27:02 13 32
bbc
For goodness sake! Please just open up. The country literally cannot afford to keep the economy shut. Pick a date (June?), work towards it. Open up. Protect anyone who still needs protection as well as possible. Some will die, that is inevitable. We need to become OK with people dying again - like we were 12 months ago. Otherwise we are ALL goosed.
54
03/03/2021 10:30:48 8 1
bbc
I believe the roadmap has dates, "not before", but nonetheless dates. I think we are OK with people dying, it's unnecessary deaths that cause the furore.
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03/03/2021 10:41:39 4 2
bbc
To be honest, that depends on which country in the UK are living!
Define unnecessary though? Is a road traffic accident unnecessary if those involved were going for a day out at the seaside?
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03/03/2021 10:22:59 23 5
bbc
Thanks fir the insight into choice

On the flip side a consequence of a choice not to be vaccinated is less freedom of movement as the majority won’t want to be mixing with potential carriers.
I respect your choice to that though
55
03/03/2021 10:30:58 8 3
bbc
I thought that everyone was a potential carrier regardless of having had the vaccine? The vaccine reduces the likelihood of serious symptoms, but you can still catch it and spread it. Isn't that the case?
77
03/03/2021 10:42:10 2 3
bbc
Yes so allowing groups at a far greater risk of carrying the virus would be foolish
Antivaxers chose their path
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03/03/2021 10:44:44 7 1
bbc
The vaccines have been shown to be very effective at suppressing the ability to pass on the disease as well, up to 80% in some cases, surely any reduction is worth it.
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03/03/2021 10:45:39 9 2
bbc
Yes, you CAN still catch it and pass it on, but the likelihood of doing so is significantly reduced compared to not beiong vaccinated. In the same way that you can still die in a car crash when wearing a seatbelt but we do it because of it reduces the risk of serious harm (in most cases).
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03/03/2021 11:28:21 1 1
bbc
Less serious symptoms would suggest less virus production and hence less transmission. Evidence growing that this is indeed the case.
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03/03/2021 10:17:19 6 14
bbc
Not really worth a hys.
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03/03/2021 10:31:28 9 1
bbc
And yet you commented. Oh the irony ??
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03/03/2021 10:19:11 28 4
bbc
So you're saying its not worthwhile finding out if people who have been shielding are safe to return to normal life once vaccinated? Where's your empathy mate?
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FF
03/03/2021 10:32:24 1 1
bbc
Could be Ted Bundy under another name.
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03/03/2021 10:28:14 34 12
bbc
Absolutely! Your comment is the comment of the decade.
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03/03/2021 10:33:20 4 7
bbc
Thankyou. Most kind.
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03/03/2021 10:29:14 4 58
bbc
"People with low immunity due to health conditions, including cancer, are being recruited to a study..."

=UK is the only nation which uses humans (instead of lab rats) to test the vaccines that may kill these people, as far as I knew only Germany in 1940s and Japan in WW2 use human prisoners to test chemical weapons or drugs

DISGUSTING !
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03/03/2021 10:34:00 27 3
bbc
Nonsense. These are volunteers, the examples you cite didn't give people the choice. We have a plethora of examples where people volunteer for trials, myself included, for all manner of treatments.
47
03/03/2021 10:29:14 4 58
bbc
"People with low immunity due to health conditions, including cancer, are being recruited to a study..."

=UK is the only nation which uses humans (instead of lab rats) to test the vaccines that may kill these people, as far as I knew only Germany in 1940s and Japan in WW2 use human prisoners to test chemical weapons or drugs

DISGUSTING !
60
03/03/2021 10:34:52 12 4
bbc
Don't recall Germany or Japan asking for volunteers in the 1940's?
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03/03/2021 10:30:05 7 5
bbc
But you can still pass it on and catch it if you have the vaccine. Explain your issue with mixing with non vaccinated people if you have had your vaccine why would you be bothered? Surely you did it for reasons other than everyone else seemed to be doing it?
61
03/03/2021 10:35:42 8 4
bbc
Difficult for some to understand but the vaccine does not prevent catching the virus it reduces it (greatly in most cases)
Why would any sane person mix with groups of people who’ve decide not to help population
But again your choice have it rejoin society
Don’t have it be restricted
Choice is a double edged sword
461
03/03/2021 13:52:20 0 0
bbc
Choice is definitely a double edged sword. I have decided not to have the vaccine, and as a result I know there is a chance I will no longer be allowed to travel, or go to a pub with friends, or eat at a restaurant with my kids. But if I had the vaccine for those reasons I wouldn't be true to myself. So I take the rough of not having as much freedom with the smooth of not having the vaccine.
48
03/03/2021 10:29:28 28 18
bbc
So it is OK if you or one of your loved ones die? As long as everyone else can get on with their lives. How dare YOU and those with the same opinion condemn others to death!
62
03/03/2021 10:35:54 9 10
bbc
People die unfortunately that's a fact of life but we seem to have become obsessed with the thought that everyone is immortal. There is no denying it is sad that some people unfortunately succumb to Covid but these same people would potentially have died had they caught numerous other things. We need an adult conversation about balancing quality Vs quantity of life.
102
03/03/2021 10:49:30 3 5
bbc
We need an adult conversation about people who prioritise their own financial well being over other people's lives and why we should pay the slightest attention to them.
Your adult conversation is little more than a desire to look out for your own interests.
My response is you have discredited thinking, which has led to UK having the worst death rate in the world and should sit down and shut up.
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03/03/2021 11:08:21 4 1
bbc
125,000+ extra people in the UK have died in the last 12 months entirely due to one virus - Coronavirus. A humanitarian disaster, even with all the restrictions in place. Hundreds of thousands more have been hospitalised and are still suffering. Hundreds of thousands more are bereaved and mourning. The 'they would have died anyway' argument is callous and stupid.
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03/03/2021 10:30:09 9 27
bbc
Kidney transplant post 17 years, had my vaccine 4 weeks ago, all good. So why this study is warranted is baffling. Patients like myself have the flu vaccine every year, yet we don't have these studies.. Just get the country back open and working, no need to keep kicking the can down the road with endless studies.
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03/03/2021 10:36:44 17 2
bbc
Erm, it's to work out what vaccine offers us the best protection.
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03/03/2021 10:29:14 4 58
bbc
"People with low immunity due to health conditions, including cancer, are being recruited to a study..."

=UK is the only nation which uses humans (instead of lab rats) to test the vaccines that may kill these people, as far as I knew only Germany in 1940s and Japan in WW2 use human prisoners to test chemical weapons or drugs

DISGUSTING !
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03/03/2021 10:37:18 11 2
bbc
Their volunteers not prisoners
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FF
03/03/2021 10:29:06 15 7
bbc
You keep parroting the same thing. This is NOT about you or the minority. This is about us as a society "not caring" who dies as long as it's nothing to do with me.

Over 100'000 families have lost someone and I would hope you can have some empathy as to what it feels to them.

But you might not care if people died in ambulances waiting to get into hospital.

This "I'm alright Jack" is immoral.
65
03/03/2021 10:37:54 3 12
bbc
Do you have the figures of those dying in ambulances this last winter versus every winter for the last ten years - I imagine it's much less.
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03/03/2021 10:39:29 6 2
bbc
Do you
47
03/03/2021 10:29:14 4 58
bbc
"People with low immunity due to health conditions, including cancer, are being recruited to a study..."

=UK is the only nation which uses humans (instead of lab rats) to test the vaccines that may kill these people, as far as I knew only Germany in 1940s and Japan in WW2 use human prisoners to test chemical weapons or drugs

DISGUSTING !
66
03/03/2021 10:38:48 14 4
bbc
Stupid clickbait comment.
41
03/03/2021 10:28:04 12 5
bbc
Possibly the difference between a population who obey restrictions on gatherings and those who don't.
67
03/03/2021 10:39:08 3 1
bbc
Have you watched the test match in the last month no SD no masks crowded stadiums yep all those measures sure made a difference in India
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03/03/2021 10:30:09 9 27
bbc
Kidney transplant post 17 years, had my vaccine 4 weeks ago, all good. So why this study is warranted is baffling. Patients like myself have the flu vaccine every year, yet we don't have these studies.. Just get the country back open and working, no need to keep kicking the can down the road with endless studies.
68
03/03/2021 10:39:11 1 9
bbc
Well done, Templar Knight. You're a stout-hearted non- moaner with a realistic outlook.
65
03/03/2021 10:37:54 3 12
bbc
Do you have the figures of those dying in ambulances this last winter versus every winter for the last ten years - I imagine it's much less.
69
03/03/2021 10:39:29 6 2
bbc
Do you
48
03/03/2021 10:29:28 28 18
bbc
So it is OK if you or one of your loved ones die? As long as everyone else can get on with their lives. How dare YOU and those with the same opinion condemn others to death!
70
03/03/2021 10:39:35 4 10
bbc
Of course! My loved ones will die. I will die as well. What I am not ok with is that they don’t get to actually live.
For Goodness sake, chill out with the over reaction!
And also, my father-in-law lost his mother. My step father has had serious delays in his cancer treatment (because of this) and I am sure even you can work out the consequences? So don’t you dare get all holier than thou.
89
03/03/2021 10:46:00 7 2
bbc
Lots of righteous indignation here - holier than thou - which is what you’re accusing others of. This is a well worn argument but doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. If a virus is allowed to run rife in the community and the hospitals are full of those who will get very ill with it there will be no space to treat any other illnesses. Our local hospital has been able to treat seriously ill patients.
47
03/03/2021 10:29:14 4 58
bbc
"People with low immunity due to health conditions, including cancer, are being recruited to a study..."

=UK is the only nation which uses humans (instead of lab rats) to test the vaccines that may kill these people, as far as I knew only Germany in 1940s and Japan in WW2 use human prisoners to test chemical weapons or drugs

DISGUSTING !
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03/03/2021 10:39:44 12 2
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Stupid comment to make. Every vaccine indeed every medicine has to undergo human clinical trial stage before it is passes regulation.
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03/03/2021 10:29:28 28 18
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So it is OK if you or one of your loved ones die? As long as everyone else can get on with their lives. How dare YOU and those with the same opinion condemn others to death!
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03/03/2021 10:39:49 7 4
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Do you believe that the aim should be zero people die of Covid? Because that seems to be Government policy and I can tell you its folly. If the government cared so much about peoples health then smoking would have been banned decades ago.
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03/03/2021 10:48:53 3 1
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That how NZ view it and it seems to be working
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03/03/2021 11:19:36 0 1
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Its not government policy. There was a statement about living with covid from the government very recently
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03/03/2021 10:40:07 16 2
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Possibly you'll see some effect but I'm not expecting stellar results and the type of condition and treatment is going to be a large factor but it does make for good immunological study and we'll gain valuable further insight into the workings of the complex immune system for the benefit of all.
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03/03/2021 12:12:09 7 0
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Even some immunity is better than no immunity.
It gives a better chance for those with compromised immune systems to fight off the virus.
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03/03/2021 10:30:08 12 1
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People die? No sheet Sherlock, would you like to volunteer a member of your family in the statistics?
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03/03/2021 10:40:21 3 9
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Oh give over. We are all statistics in one way or another. You are scared. I get it. So are lots of people for different reasons. Your reason for being scared isn’t more important that anyone else’s!
Yes I am shivering in my boots.

If it make you feel better to call people scared then please do so.

IDGAF.
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03/03/2021 10:29:14 4 58
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"People with low immunity due to health conditions, including cancer, are being recruited to a study..."

=UK is the only nation which uses humans (instead of lab rats) to test the vaccines that may kill these people, as far as I knew only Germany in 1940s and Japan in WW2 use human prisoners to test chemical weapons or drugs

DISGUSTING !
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03/03/2021 10:40:46 8 2
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This post shows how folk use peculiar and outlandish ‘arguments’ to support a case. And at the root of it is fear. Plain and simple
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03/03/2021 10:30:48 8 1
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I believe the roadmap has dates, "not before", but nonetheless dates. I think we are OK with people dying, it's unnecessary deaths that cause the furore.
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03/03/2021 10:41:39 4 2
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To be honest, that depends on which country in the UK are living!
Define unnecessary though? Is a road traffic accident unnecessary if those involved were going for a day out at the seaside?
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03/03/2021 10:47:26 5 2
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Yes an RTA is unnecessary so the governments around the world brought in rules to restrict bad/dangerous driving to limit these
Hold on that sounds similar to governments protecting its people and healthcare services against unnecessary deaths
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03/03/2021 10:30:58 8 3
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I thought that everyone was a potential carrier regardless of having had the vaccine? The vaccine reduces the likelihood of serious symptoms, but you can still catch it and spread it. Isn't that the case?
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03/03/2021 10:42:10 2 3
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Yes so allowing groups at a far greater risk of carrying the virus would be foolish
Antivaxers chose their path
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03/03/2021 10:16:43 129 3
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I hope the results are good. I'm immunocompromised and fed up of shielding- my husband is a teacher, we have 2 school age children, I'd like to work at work sometime instead of at home.
I've had the first vaccine, second in 3 weeks- it would be great to know if it worked or not (blood test for antibodies might be helpful?).
Hi to all the immunocompromised people out there, keep on keeping on!
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03/03/2021 10:42:34 10 1
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Great comment ??
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03/03/2021 10:29:14 4 58
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"People with low immunity due to health conditions, including cancer, are being recruited to a study..."

=UK is the only nation which uses humans (instead of lab rats) to test the vaccines that may kill these people, as far as I knew only Germany in 1940s and Japan in WW2 use human prisoners to test chemical weapons or drugs

DISGUSTING !
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03/03/2021 10:42:50 2 2
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They are volunteers, usually unpaid, who test vaccines. I'm one of them. As for prisoners, it might be a good idea to test vaccines on them, which would be a way of mitigating their crimes. Don't waste sympathy on them.
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03/03/2021 10:30:09 9 27
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Kidney transplant post 17 years, had my vaccine 4 weeks ago, all good. So why this study is warranted is baffling. Patients like myself have the flu vaccine every year, yet we don't have these studies.. Just get the country back open and working, no need to keep kicking the can down the road with endless studies.
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03/03/2021 10:43:55 11 2
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With the anti-vaxxers misrepresenting every tiny detail to promote their anti-science death cult, the vaccine developers can't afford to take short-cuts. Has to be beyond reproach
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03/03/2021 10:29:06 15 7
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You keep parroting the same thing. This is NOT about you or the minority. This is about us as a society "not caring" who dies as long as it's nothing to do with me.

Over 100'000 families have lost someone and I would hope you can have some empathy as to what it feels to them.

But you might not care if people died in ambulances waiting to get into hospital.

This "I'm alright Jack" is immoral.
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03/03/2021 10:44:25 11 8
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Nonsense. If society cared about deaths and not just covid deaths, smoking, cars, sugar, etc would all be banned. The country has taken unprecedented steps to minimize deaths from covid, but to think it will be zero deaths by June is to not live in the real world.
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03/03/2021 10:52:40 11 8
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Smoking, driving and excess sugar are voluntary lifestyle choices, dying from COVID isn't
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03/03/2021 11:03:32 5 1
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Cars, smoking, and sugar are not contagious.

Come again.
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03/03/2021 11:10:07 0 1
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you think leaving borders open is unprecedented steps
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03/03/2021 10:29:14 4 58
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"People with low immunity due to health conditions, including cancer, are being recruited to a study..."

=UK is the only nation which uses humans (instead of lab rats) to test the vaccines that may kill these people, as far as I knew only Germany in 1940s and Japan in WW2 use human prisoners to test chemical weapons or drugs

DISGUSTING !
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03/03/2021 10:44:32 7 3
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how is testing it on lab rats with cancer going to show if it provides humans with cancer any protection, as I don´t think rats can catch it anyway
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03/03/2021 10:30:58 8 3
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I thought that everyone was a potential carrier regardless of having had the vaccine? The vaccine reduces the likelihood of serious symptoms, but you can still catch it and spread it. Isn't that the case?
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03/03/2021 10:44:44 7 1
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The vaccines have been shown to be very effective at suppressing the ability to pass on the disease as well, up to 80% in some cases, surely any reduction is worth it.
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03/03/2021 13:54:44 0 0
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Since scientists haven't yet found evidence that the vaccines provide mucosal immunity, someone who is vaccinated and has no symptoms of illness may be carrying the live SARS-CoV-2 virus and spreading it to others when they cough, breath or sneeze.18 Feb 2021
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03/03/2021 10:29:14 4 58
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"People with low immunity due to health conditions, including cancer, are being recruited to a study..."

=UK is the only nation which uses humans (instead of lab rats) to test the vaccines that may kill these people, as far as I knew only Germany in 1940s and Japan in WW2 use human prisoners to test chemical weapons or drugs

DISGUSTING !
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03/03/2021 10:44:51 8 2
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All medicines undergo human trials, its the only way to be sure they work and are safe. They are not tested on humans until other studies demonstrate they are safe enough.
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03/03/2021 10:44:54 11 1
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Good, a very important development.
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03/03/2021 10:45:26 28 3
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The vaccination programme has achieved great results, so far. Let's hope though we don't trip over ourselves in the rush. At lot of people are closing in on that 12 week deadline for their second dose and, so far, only a very small percentage have been done. It would be a shame to blow it now, let's perhaps calm down a bit, and make sure the really vulnerable get their second dose on time ??
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04/03/2021 16:06:35 0 0
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Well said also those have worked in hospitals and care home etc
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03/03/2021 10:30:58 8 3
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I thought that everyone was a potential carrier regardless of having had the vaccine? The vaccine reduces the likelihood of serious symptoms, but you can still catch it and spread it. Isn't that the case?
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03/03/2021 10:45:39 9 2
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Yes, you CAN still catch it and pass it on, but the likelihood of doing so is significantly reduced compared to not beiong vaccinated. In the same way that you can still die in a car crash when wearing a seatbelt but we do it because of it reduces the risk of serious harm (in most cases).
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03/03/2021 10:22:08 115 22
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The antivaxxers won't see your comment. They are busy sourcing more tin foil.
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03/03/2021 10:45:48 22 20
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Or ripping down statues!
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03/03/2021 11:32:00 24 4
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Or ripping down statues!...

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What a ridiculouscomment.

Irrespective of the fact that ripping down statues is wrong, those that did that were unlikely to have been antivaxxers.

The main groups identified in terms of Antivaxx ideology are very much drawn from far rightgroups like Q Anon & religious alt right organisations, many in the US.

ie the opposite end of the political spectrum
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03/03/2021 16:54:34 1 0
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I think you may be a little confused. This is a HYS about Covid vaccines.
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03/03/2021 10:39:35 4 10
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Of course! My loved ones will die. I will die as well. What I am not ok with is that they don’t get to actually live.
For Goodness sake, chill out with the over reaction!
And also, my father-in-law lost his mother. My step father has had serious delays in his cancer treatment (because of this) and I am sure even you can work out the consequences? So don’t you dare get all holier than thou.
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03/03/2021 10:46:00 7 2
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Lots of righteous indignation here - holier than thou - which is what you’re accusing others of. This is a well worn argument but doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. If a virus is allowed to run rife in the community and the hospitals are full of those who will get very ill with it there will be no space to treat any other illnesses. Our local hospital has been able to treat seriously ill patients.
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03/03/2021 10:29:14 4 58
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"People with low immunity due to health conditions, including cancer, are being recruited to a study..."

=UK is the only nation which uses humans (instead of lab rats) to test the vaccines that may kill these people, as far as I knew only Germany in 1940s and Japan in WW2 use human prisoners to test chemical weapons or drugs

DISGUSTING !
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03/03/2021 10:46:04 5 2
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Stupid comment!
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03/03/2021 10:46:12 14 7
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I'm glad the vaccine rollout is moving swiftly, but just as with the Jo Whiley story, I feel people are slipping through the net.

I'm almost 40, have an autoimmune condition, yet I've heard nothing about my vaccine yet, despite repeated enquiries to my surgery.

I've lived with a lot of anxiety over the last year whilst working the entire time. I just hope I'm not forgotten about.
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03/03/2021 11:40:43 6 0
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If you go to the NHS website to book your vaccination (you will need your NHS number) and tick that you are vulnerable. I think it is cross-checked and you should get your dates.
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03/03/2021 10:41:39 4 2
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To be honest, that depends on which country in the UK are living!
Define unnecessary though? Is a road traffic accident unnecessary if those involved were going for a day out at the seaside?
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03/03/2021 10:47:26 5 2
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Yes an RTA is unnecessary so the governments around the world brought in rules to restrict bad/dangerous driving to limit these
Hold on that sounds similar to governments protecting its people and healthcare services against unnecessary deaths
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03/03/2021 11:16:52 0 1
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But.... governments also have rules in place to restrict transmissible viruses don’t they? Nor am I saying open up immediately with zero restrictions!
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03/03/2021 10:11:34 83 1
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I have MS and I’ve recently had my COVID-19 vaccine. ????
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03/03/2021 10:47:41 10 2
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Nice to hear about your jab, stay safe!
Let's get everyone vaccinated and return to total normality. Anti-vaccers are the usual bonkers anti-everything weirdos from a class of whining, risk-averse spineless placard-brandishing bellyachers with a permanent sense of victimhood. Removed
Yet accuse everyone of being a 'racist'! Removed
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03/03/2021 10:53:42 0 2
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What are you on about?
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03/03/2021 10:29:14 4 58
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"People with low immunity due to health conditions, including cancer, are being recruited to a study..."

=UK is the only nation which uses humans (instead of lab rats) to test the vaccines that may kill these people, as far as I knew only Germany in 1940s and Japan in WW2 use human prisoners to test chemical weapons or drugs

DISGUSTING !
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03/03/2021 10:48:29 4 2
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These people are volunteering to have the vaccine! In this country you are offered it not forced!

A world away from you rant about Germany and Japan in the 1940’s. They didn’t use volunteers.
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03/03/2021 10:29:06 15 7
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You keep parroting the same thing. This is NOT about you or the minority. This is about us as a society "not caring" who dies as long as it's nothing to do with me.

Over 100'000 families have lost someone and I would hope you can have some empathy as to what it feels to them.

But you might not care if people died in ambulances waiting to get into hospital.

This "I'm alright Jack" is immoral.
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03/03/2021 10:48:50 9 8
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Worth remembering though that in that time around 600,000 people have died waiting for normal life to resume.
There are no easy choices, but delay comes with a huge cost
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03/03/2021 11:04:04 4 2
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Can you provide a link for that figure?

I'll wait.
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03/03/2021 10:39:49 7 4
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Do you believe that the aim should be zero people die of Covid? Because that seems to be Government policy and I can tell you its folly. If the government cared so much about peoples health then smoking would have been banned decades ago.
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03/03/2021 10:48:53 3 1
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That how NZ view it and it seems to be working
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03/03/2021 10:27:47 5 3
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And India
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03/03/2021 10:49:07 0 1
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I have an Indian Doctor friend and the way they're managing it there is fascinating. No room here for detailed information but it's worth a read.
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03/03/2021 10:53:09 1 1
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Got a link?
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03/03/2021 10:35:27 2 3
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We pray this works, Beeb.

We need to allow the immunosuppressed a good quality of life.
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03/03/2021 11:01:24 6 3
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Please don't "pray". Instead support the great work that the scientists and medical staff (ie people, not deities) are doing.
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03/03/2021 10:35:49 14 1
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Who is performing the study? I would like to get involved as immunocompromised and be happy to help!
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03/03/2021 11:55:17 2 9
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Your asking the wrong people. If you really wanted to help you would actually do something about it instead in this forum. Get real.