Budget 2021: Furlough set to be extended - Kwasi Kwarteng
02/03/2021
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Kwasi Kwarteng says help for firms and workers will continue, as Chancellor Rishi Sunak prepares to unveil the Budget.
Hospitality includes pubs, restaurants who make most money with people eating in (and buying say marked up wine not so in takeaway) , hotels, nightclubs etc
Ask us tomorrow when we know what we are talking about.
If any lessons had been learnt from the 6 other pandemics in the last century, so much of this chaos & damage could have been avoided, jobs/companies could have been saved, and we could avoid adding £billions more debt onto our kids.
As the saying goes "the only thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history"
As the saying goes "the only thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history"
This argument only applies to the west as most countries in the east handled the pandemic well.
There was social distancing and mask wearing for the spanish flu and yet we were more reluctant to do the same thing 100 years later because of some public paranoias over control.
There was social distancing and mask wearing for the spanish flu and yet we were more reluctant to do the same thing 100 years later because of some public paranoias over control.
How about we spend the money on free testing at airports instead. That way we can abolish these ridiculous travel restrictions and get all the borders open.
Money better spent in the long term as millions of travel sector workers can go back to work instead of being furloughed.
Money better spent in the long term as millions of travel sector workers can go back to work instead of being furloughed.
You're not allowed to say that.
Someone will pop up with the new inane excuse for everything :
Hindsight !
Hindsight !
Hindsight !
(repeat ad nauseum, like a dalek)
Someone will pop up with the new inane excuse for everything :
Hindsight !
Hindsight !
Hindsight !
(repeat ad nauseum, like a dalek)
Exactly ! Those of us who survive to the next pandemic will just see all the same mistakes being made again !
Understanding State Money supply is a good thing. Where does the government get its money from?
No we are not " adding £billions more debt onto our kids."
No we are not " adding £billions more debt onto our kids."
The obvious thing we SHOULD have learnt from this is that the UK has a large percentage of population whole will do their own thing regardless of safety rules. It started with the BLM protest, people going to the beach, raves, parties , etc, and despite being told repeatedly not to do it they just carried on.. And then they had the temerity to blame the govt'! Thick as .....
We never learn when it comes to high impact infrequent disasters.
Volcanoes, Earthquakes,Hurricane, Climate Change, deforestation, Meteor Impacts.
We could plan for the future and find ways to make it economic.
Humanity puts it’s head in the sand.
Volcanoes, Earthquakes,Hurricane, Climate Change, deforestation, Meteor Impacts.
We could plan for the future and find ways to make it economic.
Humanity puts it’s head in the sand.
I couldn't agree more. Too many people thought that this would all be over in a couple of months, not the usual couple of years. This, I think, added to the mental health problems, which were caused by the way in which we live.
The government's biggest failure, I think, was trying to keep everything the same, when fundamental change was required, that and a lack of public health education.
The government's biggest failure, I think, was trying to keep everything the same, when fundamental change was required, that and a lack of public health education.
So exactly where is this debt ?? Government borrowed money in the form of "gilts" the Bank of England paid back these borrowings from the Financial Institutions etc. in the form of "printing money" ...we own nothing to nobody .....
Exactly. They should have ask "if we do this, will it teach us anything we can afford to repeat again if need?" For most of what we've done the answer is no.
why didn’t you become a politician instead of criticising them?
I sympathise with the small businesses but the larger companies who pay huge amounts to shareholders should get no help. Claw the money back from people who have benefited for years.
6 other pandemics? Spanish flu yes but the other 5? nothing like the scale of this one
Where on earth is this unending pot of money coming from? the best way to save the economy and jobs is to end the lockdown. The vaccine is working. Hospitalisations have plummeted. The government continue to extend this as they don’t want to face the inevitable music.
Apparently the Tories not only found labours magic money tree but found their own forest of them. I don't think any tory supporter can attack labours spending plans anymore given the amount the tories have wasted under Boris
Hospitalisations have plummeted... During lockdown. Need a bit more vaccination first before it more than makes up for lockdown removal.
Us in the long term. Who else is going to pay it? It always the same Labour bail out the banks we paid for it in cuts.
We the people are going to pay for it and the poor whose services are going to be cut again.
Try to read up on money supply. The government is not a cornershop. It manufacturers its own money.
"Hospitalisations have plummeted" but that doesn't mean they aren't still full to capacity. Personally my local hospital is only now looking to close it's second nightingale ICU which will only leave the normal ICU and one additional overflow ICU operating.
From all the £10.000 fines and the £800 fines. . . oh wait no one is paying them and never will apart from £1 a month what a joke.
I'm creaming it £800 a week for doing bugger all whilst I go out and earn another £1500 a week, please keep the furlough coming I have a villa in Pueto Banus to pay for and a full chomper of veneers coming up. . . . luving it you mugs keep crying saddo's Removed
I'm creaming it £800 a week for doing bugger all whilst I go out and earn another £1500 a week, please keep the furlough coming I have a villa in Pueto Banus to pay for and a full chomper of veneers coming up. . . . luving it you mugs keep crying saddo's Removed
What is the point of the chancellors speech, everything is out there already in the media
The Devil, as they say, is in the detail.
If a lot of people don't like the 'rumours' he can change it for tomorrow - that's how a populist government works. Very little to do with what's needed if it upsets the red wall Cons.
Because the Tory mp’s , like Gove are former journalists. They keep leaning it to gauge public opinion. If you want to o ow what’s happening read the telegraph / times
Suspect it's deliberate - and a clever strategy. Leak out a flavour of what's to come, and monitor the response from the masses.
Enables you to tweak the actual announcement without being accused of doing a U-turn.
Enables you to tweak the actual announcement without being accused of doing a U-turn.
"What is the point of the chancellors speech, everything is out there already in the media"
Not everything, just the bits they want us to see.
Not everything, just the bits they want us to see.
Meanwhile :-
City firms revealed in the final months of 2020 that they planned to shift nearly £100bn in assets to the EU, taking the total value of assets lost to the bloc since the Brexit vote to £1.3 trillion, according to a new survey.
£1.3 TRILLION !!!
Not here on the Beano though ! must be difficult for them, trying to find positive gov stories to spin up !
City firms revealed in the final months of 2020 that they planned to shift nearly £100bn in assets to the EU, taking the total value of assets lost to the bloc since the Brexit vote to £1.3 trillion, according to a new survey.
£1.3 TRILLION !!!
Not here on the Beano though ! must be difficult for them, trying to find positive gov stories to spin up !
Yes he’s testing out the reaction it is getting. Those that have a negative reaction will be ‘improved’ in the actual speech to soften the blow.
Because they have to check how popular each thing is before it's official.
He has to turn up to show he is working, not idling at home.
When can I claim the seiss grant and what percentage of my earnings is it worth?
It is common sense to extend the furlough scheme to the end of July which is the expected end vaccination program for people who are 30+.
Keeping it at 80% of pay however is another issue altogether.
Keeping it at 80% of pay however is another issue altogether.
The scheme has been a life saver for so many, but then there are many companies using it so save money.
You can't have a rule to separate them so you either pay and give some away or you create more job losses.
You can't have a rule to separate them so you either pay and give some away or you create more job losses.
Why? What has the furlough scheme actually done?
There are a lot of Tory cronies using furlough cash to pay their wage bills while expecting staff to continue working from home but for 80% of normal wages.
As per normal with the Tories what we are seeing is corporate socialism funding the profits of their pals, while many of the poorest in society are ignored and are reliant on food banks to eat.
As per normal with the Tories what we are seeing is corporate socialism funding the profits of their pals, while many of the poorest in society are ignored and are reliant on food banks to eat.
He previously committed to keeping it in place for as long as they're forcing businesses to remain closed.
By June we'll have no restrictions, and much earlier than that the vast majority of businesses will be open again.
By June we'll have no restrictions, and much earlier than that the vast majority of businesses will be open again.
If you've benefitted from furlough you should be expected to pay it back when the time comes.
Taxing the people who have worked throughout the pandemic and had to bear the costs of doing so would be a disgrace.
Taxing the people who have worked throughout the pandemic and had to bear the costs of doing so would be a disgrace.
So how are we meant to live if we dint get any help i work in a pub am struggling to survive on 80% hope ure one of the lucky ones that arent
Ask us tomorrow when we know what we are talking about.
100% this.
The government knows the electorate are happy to be lied to.
They also know we don't care about the death rates & corruption.
Its a free for all. Cheered on by the plebs.
How did we get here?
The government knows the electorate are happy to be lied to.
They also know we don't care about the death rates & corruption.
Its a free for all. Cheered on by the plebs.
How did we get here?
Yes we need to be told out this is going to be paid back we because it won't be the 650 MPs paying it back
Same as tabloid press - hasn't been anything about 'news' for many years, just 'keep paying me the daily fee and I'll tell you what you want to hear'. Does it work? Hell, yes; Brexit the perfect example.
That was the point Captain Brown Eye was making... "Ask us tomorrow...", you then ask tomorrow but now its today, so again they say "Ask us tomorrow...", and then tomorrow comes so now its today and they say it again and again, because in reality they'll never know what they're talking about.
Times are hard and this approach is welcome but the payback will be huge when it comes. Mind you, with no GE until 2014 and a useless opposition party, the government can pretty much do what it wants.
I thought it was 2024 for the next GE or will that be a retrospective one
Great Scott! Did you hit 88mph and go back in time?
This is heavy
This is heavy
The government has an 80 seat majority so can do what it likes.
Captain foresite has no power, what do you expect him to do?
Captain foresite has no power, what do you expect him to do?
The furlough scheme has been a lifesaver to so many, but extending this any further is unwise.
Lets remove all lockdown measures by 5th April and get everyone back to work.
We can continue to ask international arrivals to test and isolate.
We can continue mass testing to gather useful data.
People need to get back to a routine, sadly, some will no doubt want furlough to last until Jan 2022
Lets remove all lockdown measures by 5th April and get everyone back to work.
We can continue to ask international arrivals to test and isolate.
We can continue mass testing to gather useful data.
People need to get back to a routine, sadly, some will no doubt want furlough to last until Jan 2022
Sunak will be the wealthiest Chancellor to ever deliver a budget. When he says to people like me “I know what you are going through “ I don’t believe him.
He doesn't know or care what you are going through like most rich tories he us not affected by the policies he instigates.
Racist and jealous of the fact he made better life choices than you. His personal wealth has nothing to do with his ability to do the job. This is pure bitterness on your part. I have just over 150k in the bank no mortgage and im just a hospital cleaner. That makes me quite well off for my job but it doesn't take away from my ability to do it
Sunak should ?Implement laws to prevent tax evasion to help save Britain’s economy. ?
?Oh wait. ?
?Him, his wife, and their Tory mates are the culprits?
?Over £400billion a year is denied to Britain by tax dodgers ?
Tory Traitors
?Oh wait. ?
?Him, his wife, and their Tory mates are the culprits?
?Over £400billion a year is denied to Britain by tax dodgers ?
Tory Traitors
I agree entirely but he's better delivering budgets instead of delivering trays of food to customers tables during Eat Out to Help Out whilst neglecting to wear a face covering. Let's hope that ill thought out barmy idea doesn't come back this time around!
You should check out the backgrounds of Labour politicians. Plenty of them come from privileged backgrounds.
You mean to say that wealthy people cannot be chancellors !! Let’s find the poorest person in the world for the position.
Every chancellor, EVERY MP is wealthy. They're on £80k a year and have 2 homes, one paid for by us.
Bit shocked you believe any of them. Ever.
Why else prop up the hospitality game? Because they're all in it!
Bit shocked you believe any of them. Ever.
Why else prop up the hospitality game? Because they're all in it!
The chancellor should take the time and speak with people that were excluded from his covid support packages.
shambles of a government.. pay tax all my life.. short term contract.. excluded.. wish they would try living off £74 a week.
they don't need to worry..
yearly pay rises.
10K "emergency" office budget on top of on the of 26K.
double redundancy pay.
2 months pay for "closing down office"
shambles of a government.. pay tax all my life.. short term contract.. excluded.. wish they would try living off £74 a week.
they don't need to worry..
yearly pay rises.
10K "emergency" office budget on top of on the of 26K.
double redundancy pay.
2 months pay for "closing down office"
I think this is a precursor to extending lockdown. If I had to hazard a guess, and this is a guess not a desire, I can see lockdown being extended to the autumn with the justification being the new variants. I do hope not but the Government knows such a move would be supported by most people.
I spoke to a festival organiser at the weekend who hosts a large music festival in September, he said the same. All festivals after 21st June are still advertising tickets for 2021 but they are fully expecting extensions to the restrictions.
If the roadmap had been laid out without dates you may be right, now that seed has been sewn that 21st June is the end of restrictions I am not so sure. Only got to look at how Xmas was ignored once the seed had been sewn.
IWe're all going to pay for this. Starting with council tax, rises of 5% from April where I live
It won't stop there. The next two generations will be paying for this and I bet a lot more debt too. In reality we will never clear the debt fully.
Council tax rise has been 5% where I live for years due to cuts in central funding, Only difference this year is that there is a justifiable reason. When more cuts follow from government to councils what is the betting the cap will be lifted,
I've had 5% rises the past 2 years. So that'll be 15% in 3 years, & Birmingham Council still can't get my bins emptied in & on time
The people who have benefitted from furlough payments should be paying it back. Why are the rest of the population picking up the bill for those who have had over a year of time off work and been paid for the privilege.
Perhaps this is the time to start a minor revolution and all not pay it. After all, the cost keeps rising but the service decreasing.
Everybody wants the council services, but nobody wants to pay for them. Have you actually seen what local councils are responsible for now?
And why is that. Lack of Govt funding. In effect a tax rise. Stealth.
Paid 4.99% year on year increase, since moving out of London to Kwasi Kwarteng’s constituency
Councils are like central government always wasting public money due to bad management. No one is ever held responsible for failings and they just increase charges/taxes with no regard to the average working person who has to pay more to survive. Those on benefits are never affected.
But then we're all not going to pay for it, are we? Only those of us who pay such things as council tax and income tax will do so. Much fairer to put VAT up, so that the wealthy, who buy more or buy high value goods, contribute more, but EVERYONE pays SOMETHING.
Where on earth is this unending pot of money coming from? the best way to save the economy and jobs is to end the lockdown. The vaccine is working. Hospitalisations have plummeted. The government continue to extend this as they don’t want to face the inevitable music.
By 'wasted' you mean 'Gifted to their friends and donors'?
Yeah, thought so.
Yeah, thought so.
You got to be joking a Labour government always spends more then more again. Once they leave office they blame the Tories for the cuts in public money we have to have to repay Labour debts
Waisting the money on Who? The people who else!!!
Why do we bother!!!
Why do we bother!!!
They will though is there way find a scapegoat Stoke up the media to deflect from their ineptitude and we in enough numbers fall for it time after time.
Times are hard and this approach is welcome but the payback will be huge when it comes. Mind you, with no GE until 2014 and a useless opposition party, the government can pretty much do what it wants.
D”oh! Only 10 years out! Sorry!
The furlough scheme has been a lifesaver to so many, but extending this any further is unwise.
Lets remove all lockdown measures by 5th April and get everyone back to work.
We can continue to ask international arrivals to test and isolate.
We can continue mass testing to gather useful data.
People need to get back to a routine, sadly, some will no doubt want furlough to last until Jan 2022
Lets remove all lockdown measures by 5th April and get everyone back to work.
We can continue to ask international arrivals to test and isolate.
We can continue mass testing to gather useful data.
People need to get back to a routine, sadly, some will no doubt want furlough to last until Jan 2022
Maybe. But the vast majority want to return to work.
Interesting ICC? If you are right then he is wasting our money helping people like you, who only moan about the rich Tories. I am a Tory and my dad was an insurance salesman and my wife’s dad a Miner, yet we are still Tories. Because caring Tories give back to other workers. Just because Sunak is quite wealthy he still is working for the common good
Just because he is rich and tory, doesn't mean he doesn't care.. typical narrow minded thinking
I think you'll find that his policies have directly protected his UK properties from falling in price
Of course he's affected ICC, every time he cuts tax for the top 1% of the population (as the Tories have done repeatedy since 2010) he increases his personal fortune by more than an ordinary person will earn in their entire lifetime.
With a background in finance, at least he has some idea what he is talking about. Who could have any confidence in the morose, doom laden Anneliese Dodds, an Oxbridge privately educated left wing University lecturer who looks as idf she is about to burst into tears at any moment. Not exactly a woman of the people.
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U think Labour politicians arent rich people who also look after their mates
Starmer's got a few quid you know ... so does that mean he doesn't care and is only playing at being a socialist as it pays well ?
And you probably support a party lead by Sir Kier Starmer, you know him, the poor destitute barrow boy.
What about the privileged Labour politicians? Keir Starmer is about as working class as a dish of caviar.
I don't think the average Tory MP or minister is any richer than the average Labour one. You really have to stop living in the 19th Century you know. The reality is that half the country, even in normal times, are dependent on government handouts to make ends meet
Stupid comment
So we should employ a council estate thicko who uses payday loans as our chancellor, because they have empathy, rather than someone presumably educated and intelligent.
The furlough scheme has been a lifesaver to so many, but extending this any further is unwise.
Lets remove all lockdown measures by 5th April and get everyone back to work.
We can continue to ask international arrivals to test and isolate.
We can continue mass testing to gather useful data.
People need to get back to a routine, sadly, some will no doubt want furlough to last until Jan 2022
Lets remove all lockdown measures by 5th April and get everyone back to work.
We can continue to ask international arrivals to test and isolate.
We can continue mass testing to gather useful data.
People need to get back to a routine, sadly, some will no doubt want furlough to last until Jan 2022
If any lessons had been learnt from the 6 other pandemics in the last century, so much of this chaos & damage could have been avoided, jobs/companies could have been saved, and we could avoid adding £billions more debt onto our kids.
As the saying goes "the only thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history"
As the saying goes "the only thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history"
Ironic you should call it paranoia in response to someone commenting about the reluctance to learn from history.
This whole lockdown idea was borrowed from China yet I doubt we'd all be queuing up to live under their regime full time.
This whole lockdown idea was borrowed from China yet I doubt we'd all be queuing up to live under their regime full time.
Taiwan half the population of UK. total Covid deaths 15. GDP steady 8%
I think there are many countries in the East who have alot to learn from this pandemic most notably how it was contracted in the first place.
The Spanish flu had people wearing face masks?
Don't make me laugh in 1918/19 viruses were unknown they certainly did not know how they spread.
Over 50 million people died from that "plague" spread by soldiers returning home - I have never seen a picture of anyone wearing a face mask then.
Don't make me laugh in 1918/19 viruses were unknown they certainly did not know how they spread.
Over 50 million people died from that "plague" spread by soldiers returning home - I have never seen a picture of anyone wearing a face mask then.
Paranoia over Control ? Educate yourself before commenting in future.
Spanish flu killed 50 million worldwide from a population of 2 Billion.
Covid has killed 3 million from 7 Billion. Covid is 40 TIMES less bad.
Hardly comparable is it !!
Covid has killed 3 million from 7 Billion. Covid is 40 TIMES less bad.
Hardly comparable is it !!
there was not widespread mask wearing or social distancing for the Spanish Flu.
arcangel: Look, please cast your mind back to nearly a year ago when the government DID NOT advise that masks should be worn. In fact, there was quite a controversy by various scientists whether mask were effective at all.
It was NOT until late last summer when the government stated that masks must be worn by shoppers in supermarkets, but the staff were exempt. Half baked insanity at its highest
It was NOT until late last summer when the government stated that masks must be worn by shoppers in supermarkets, but the staff were exempt. Half baked insanity at its highest
What is the point of the chancellors speech, everything is out there already in the media
To right the devil is in the detail, we have already seen recently what is in the media v reality, Ask any fisherman.
Which isn't in the speech anyway, its in the accompanying documents
So any Con MP who votes against budget could be expelled from parliamentary party.So why are they there if BJ and the pirates won’t allow them freedom of speech and opinions.
It's called politics and I certainly don't agree the way our system works.
Each MP should be working for his constituents not on a party line.
Each MP should be working for his constituents not on a party line.
They are allowed Freedom of Speech. But they chose to be in a Party with a whip. They need to abide by the rules of the party they choose to join.
This is the problem with the party system - if you want to be in my party do as you're told.
All political parties expect loyalty, or it is not a party. Labour do the same.
Absolute joke!!!
Lazy people sat on their arse for a bit longer while the rest of us pay for it!!!
Turn off Netflix, put the crisps down and get back to work!!!
Bunch of dole dosers!!! Removed
Lazy people sat on their arse for a bit longer while the rest of us pay for it!!!
Turn off Netflix, put the crisps down and get back to work!!!
Bunch of dole dosers!!! Removed
Nobody chose this.
Well, that's certainly one way to look at it. However, if the government imposes a lockdown and businesses are told to shut then, it's only fair that they provide a lifeline for those affected to get through it. Otherwise, there would be chaos. Also, don't tar everyone with the same brush. There is nothing I want more than to get back to work. If there's anything left to go back too?
Yes, you are right! And people who work will pay more taxes ??
Says a lot about you, I have been fortunate enough to work from home throughout, many of my colleagues not so fortunate, Most are wanting to return to work and don’t see any joy in furlough. Same bills to pay less income to do so, without the government stepping in some would be homeless.Furlough is not through choice.
Furlough saved my life. I'd have starved without it. I've never been on benefits and never claimed a penny until the furlough scheme started in march. I am now working again thankfully. Just because people are bar staff or hotel workers doesn't mean they have no work ethic. I was desperate to get back to work.
Wow milk of human kindness on HYS. If you actually did some basic research you'll find that EMPLOYERS have put some employees on furlough. It's not the employees choice. Still I suppose you would rather everyone be made jobless so your comment of " dole dossers" could be used every other sentence by you. I have worked throughout and count myself lucky so go and have a word with yourself.
You don't pay for anything mate. Get the book Bullshit Jobs: The Rise of Pointless Work, and What We Can Do About It. by Graeber. Is your job one of those?
Yes but not 80%!! ''Only give them a little and make them grateful for what they have got''
Times are hard and this approach is welcome but the payback will be huge when it comes. Mind you, with no GE until 2014 and a useless opposition party, the government can pretty much do what it wants.
Wow! That'll be over a year some people have got help, it's been amazing for them and of course everyone is glad it's there to help keep everything afloat. Keep an eye on those still working, though.
I decided to quit my job at Xmas due to mental strain brought on whilst my team was furloughed. Now I don't earn a penny.
Strange old world. Fingers crossed we can all get back to some normality.
I decided to quit my job at Xmas due to mental strain brought on whilst my team was furloughed. Now I don't earn a penny.
Strange old world. Fingers crossed we can all get back to some normality.
hi AlClo
" I decided to quit due to mental strain". As far as I can remember NOBODY quit during the war. WE just got up and bloody well got on with it. You should try it sometime. To come home from the night shift to find a hole where your house was 15 hours ago, is quite sobering. Try talking to an 80 year old from one of the bigger manufacturing towns.
" I decided to quit due to mental strain". As far as I can remember NOBODY quit during the war. WE just got up and bloody well got on with it. You should try it sometime. To come home from the night shift to find a hole where your house was 15 hours ago, is quite sobering. Try talking to an 80 year old from one of the bigger manufacturing towns.
Really sorry to hear that, hope you’re okay. People are quick to criticise you but the pressure put on those still working and covering for those on furlough or homeschooling can be unbearable. Take care of yourself.
Massive mistake quitting during furlough. Free money
We can't keep doing this indefinitely. Eventually we have to get back to some sort of normal while there's still something left to get back to!
It's a virus, a nasty one admittedly, but we need to learn to live with it... not run away from it and lock everyone up.
It's a virus, a nasty one admittedly, but we need to learn to live with it... not run away from it and lock everyone up.
We can't keep doing this indefinitely
My greatest fear is that maybe the Governments intention.
My greatest fear is that maybe the Governments intention.
If the government had acted with the best interests of the country at heart instead of the interests of their cronies we would not be in this mess.
An early lockdown in March 2020, quarantines for air travel from late March and short lockdowns after that when SAGE identified the need and we could have saved 100,000+ lives and reduced economic damage to minimal like Aus or NZ.
The gov failed badly.
An early lockdown in March 2020, quarantines for air travel from late March and short lockdowns after that when SAGE identified the need and we could have saved 100,000+ lives and reduced economic damage to minimal like Aus or NZ.
The gov failed badly.
"to learn to live with it".
You were told again and again: Social distance, wear a mask, wash your hands. If you had done all that then most likely there would have been no lockdown.
You were told again and again: Social distance, wear a mask, wash your hands. If you had done all that then most likely there would have been no lockdown.
My fear is they will in some form, and the same groups will be excluded from help again.
For example the economically inactive, who may be forced to look for work because the world's changed. They don't necessarily need financial help, but access to retraining and help getting a job but they are denied access to appropriate schemes.
For example the economically inactive, who may be forced to look for work because the world's changed. They don't necessarily need financial help, but access to retraining and help getting a job but they are denied access to appropriate schemes.
I am fortunate to live in a lovely village in Devon. If you saw the behaviours of the visitors here last Sunday (A very warm sunny day) people don't seem able to live with it. There were large groups (8+) together, cyclists 6 or more in a group and a couple asked for directions as they were having a day out from a town 85 miles away! Unless everyone follows the rules lockdowns lasting for years
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I love these amazingly insightful comments like no-one thought "Hm, maybe we shouldn't be doing this forever". It's the balance that is important instead of "let it go wild and kill who it will.".
If you have any practical suggestions to implement, feel free to contact No 10. Otherwise, stop passing on your primary school levels of insight like it's some amazing revolutionary thought.
If you have any practical suggestions to implement, feel free to contact No 10. Otherwise, stop passing on your primary school levels of insight like it's some amazing revolutionary thought.
Sunak should ?Implement laws to prevent tax evasion to help save Britain’s economy. ?
?Oh wait. ?
?Him, his wife, and their Tory mates are the culprits?
?Over £400billion a year is denied to Britain by tax dodgers ?
Tory Traitors
?Oh wait. ?
?Him, his wife, and their Tory mates are the culprits?
?Over £400billion a year is denied to Britain by tax dodgers ?
Tory Traitors
Totally agree, if we didn't keep paying furlogh to these people who were working before Covid restrictions came in they could have been dead by now. That would have been cheaper and reduced unemployment numbers as those without jobs would then have to get one to pay for the funerals of their dead relatives. This namby pamby prioritising of lives over money has got to stop
How can we “learn to live with it” when a significant minority still refuse to take basic precautions such as wearing masks in enclosed public spaces? You overestimate the adaptability of our stupidest people.
Times are hard and this approach is welcome but the payback will be huge when it comes. Mind you, with no GE until 2014 and a useless opposition party, the government can pretty much do what it wants.
If any lessons had been learnt from the 6 other pandemics in the last century, so much of this chaos & damage could have been avoided, jobs/companies could have been saved, and we could avoid adding £billions more debt onto our kids.
As the saying goes "the only thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history"
As the saying goes "the only thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history"
Where on earth is this unending pot of money coming from? the best way to save the economy and jobs is to end the lockdown. The vaccine is working. Hospitalisations have plummeted. The government continue to extend this as they don’t want to face the inevitable music.
It is common sense to extend the furlough scheme to the end of July which is the expected end vaccination program for people who are 30+.
Keeping it at 80% of pay however is another issue altogether.
Keeping it at 80% of pay however is another issue altogether.
Where on earth is this unending pot of money coming from? the best way to save the economy and jobs is to end the lockdown. The vaccine is working. Hospitalisations have plummeted. The government continue to extend this as they don’t want to face the inevitable music.
If the banks hadn’t been bailed out what do you think might have happened ?
Let’s not forget most bankers are tories elitests
Let’s not forget most bankers are tories elitests
Moe furlough ...... meanwhile 18m of scraps for kid whose education has been massively disrupted. Just re-open the economy and let's get on and managed.
By reopen the economy, do you mean that everyone should return to offices and all businesses open? What restrictions, in terms of individual protection, are you proposing? Social distancing must be dropped, or cafes, restaurants, pubs etc. can’t operate at economic levels. What you're suggesting is that with some hope in sight, we simply risk any benefits lockdown has provided.
While no one will deny that the furlough scheme was a good and necessary decision, especially early in the pandemic, it has been widely abused and needs to be rethought in a better and more targeted way.
What has it actually done?
Should have just used UC, would be tough for a while but less fraud. We'll run businesses would have survived or come back after the pandemic, poor ones would fail and be replaced if there is a real need for them.
Fear the way we've supported business is setting us up for a boom and bust especially if businesses pocket the vat cut and increase prices sharply when it's removed.
Fear the way we've supported business is setting us up for a boom and bust especially if businesses pocket the vat cut and increase prices sharply when it's removed.
pubs will be packed as furlough fraud was rife in first lockdown and no doubt still is, go into any pub when open and listen to the gloaters
YES LIKE SAY THE DOLE! LIKE THE REST OF PEOPLE GOT!!
Our children and grandchildren will be paying off what the Government have gifted to their donors and chums.
What I dont understand is why so many Brits are cheering on blatant corruption and cronyism?
Can anyone pinpoint the moment the British public lost their collective backbone?
What I dont understand is why so many Brits are cheering on blatant corruption and cronyism?
Can anyone pinpoint the moment the British public lost their collective backbone?
That would be the last GE when traditional anti Tory supporters provided them with all the power they ever wanted in the name of Brexit at all costs. Well, this is one of the costs, allowing the Tories to do what they have always done, corruption and cronyism.
I can pinpoint fact free, politically motivated nonsense & your claims are it.
It seems to be beyond comprehension by the far left that successful businesses are almost invariably owned & run by conservatives, because conservatives make good businessmen (& women).
Socialism by its nature destroys the environment needed for businesses to succeed, so why support it?
It seems to be beyond comprehension by the far left that successful businesses are almost invariably owned & run by conservatives, because conservatives make good businessmen (& women).
Socialism by its nature destroys the environment needed for businesses to succeed, so why support it?
Around about the same time that Facebook took off...
AT the Brexit referendum when 17.4m were hoodwinked into backing the enemy of everything that it means to be British and instead voted for what amounts to Fascism and everything this country has proudly stood against for 1000 years
You obviously missed it but "Captain Hindsight" set out the Labour position on furlough last year and they would only target those that need the money instead of throwing it at everybody Tory style.
Strangely you lot seem to think that throwing money at anybody and everybody is more fiscally prudent than supporting only those that need it eh Captain Uninformed.
Strangely you lot seem to think that throwing money at anybody and everybody is more fiscally prudent than supporting only those that need it eh Captain Uninformed.
Deflector time again I see. Keep using that balloon to comb your hair just like Bozo and leave the rest of us alone
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Didn't happen under Labour either. Some of my former local Labour MP's needed a map to find the area.
'Each MP should be working for his constituents not on a party line.'
The MP was elected by those constituents, and the vast majority will have voted along party lines, and in the expectation that the MP will follow their party line. So I'm not quite sure what your point is - don't have elections for MPs, perhaps?
The MP was elected by those constituents, and the vast majority will have voted along party lines, and in the expectation that the MP will follow their party line. So I'm not quite sure what your point is - don't have elections for MPs, perhaps?
Totally agree. Wish more MPs would not follow like sheep into lobby.
Where on earth is this unending pot of money coming from? the best way to save the economy and jobs is to end the lockdown. The vaccine is working. Hospitalisations have plummeted. The government continue to extend this as they don’t want to face the inevitable music.
I think this is a precursor to extending lockdown. If I had to hazard a guess, and this is a guess not a desire, I can see lockdown being extended to the autumn with the justification being the new variants. I do hope not but the Government knows such a move would be supported by most people.
Well that Brexit dividend the red bus with 300 million will come in handy just about now, and 10 new hospitals and 50,000 new nurses. Johnson lie ability ten out of ten
Typically the Tories under fund public services so when Labour get into power they borrow more to make up the shortfall, the Tories get back in and public spending is reduced...it's a never ending circle.
Hopefully a targeted approach to help for businesses will be used.
Amazon & similar have prospered, they should somehow be made to help pay for the recovery.
Hospitality industry and tourism have suffered, but not all equally. Takeaways have continued to trade so shouldn't be helped, whereas suppliers to restaurants/bars/hotels have suffered but aren't necessarily classed as being in hospitality
Amazon & similar have prospered, they should somehow be made to help pay for the recovery.
Hospitality industry and tourism have suffered, but not all equally. Takeaways have continued to trade so shouldn't be helped, whereas suppliers to restaurants/bars/hotels have suffered but aren't necessarily classed as being in hospitality
Yeah special tax on Amazon. Then Amazon can fire a bunch of people, not hire many more.
Every single person that Amazon hires is a plus for the Exchequer.
Every single person that Amazon hires is a plus for the Exchequer.
Agreed, the Rich should pay more tax.
Careful, you’ll be called a Marxist with radical ideas like that
Careful, you’ll be called a Marxist with radical ideas like that
Do you honestly believe this Govt will raise taxes for its supporters.
Yes, lots of hotels here doing takeaways under slightly different business name and getting closure grants.
The whole of the UK owes SME's and small company owners a huge amount.
A lot of SME's and small company owners have not been able to access any support at all.
A lot of SME's and small company owners have not been able to access any support at all.
Many SME's have been swept away by technology.
New SME's that learn and move forward with the new economic reality will prosper.
New SME's that learn and move forward with the new economic reality will prosper.
whole country owes public employees - doctors nurses teachers a lot. owes small company owners nil. the capitalist model is based on the idea that you take a risk - if it goes well you profit if it goes badly you fold. we have this weird take on it - if it goes well you profit; badly the public stuffs your coffers. banks fail - drs, nurses salaries frozen for 9 y - 30% cut in real terms.
And many others have prospered biggly out of Covid (mainly on line businesses)
We need to encourage the fast movement of money, meaning easy trading between small businesses.
That is the only way we will have a proper recovery.
Currently the barriers to entry for doing business are far too high, to start a business properly in a place like London you need to risk your life savings, it just shouldn't be that bad.
In a healthy market, rents would get cheaper at this time.
That is the only way we will have a proper recovery.
Currently the barriers to entry for doing business are far too high, to start a business properly in a place like London you need to risk your life savings, it just shouldn't be that bad.
In a healthy market, rents would get cheaper at this time.
How do you encourage "rents would get cheaper at this time".
You are making no economic sense mate.
You are making no economic sense mate.
"to encourage the fast movement of money, meaning easy trading between small businesses"
Here's a few ways to move money really quickly:
Cash
Debit Card
Credit Card
BACS
PayM
Bank Transfer
They're all instant.
What did I miss that is currently crippling SMEs?
Here's a few ways to move money really quickly:
Cash
Debit Card
Credit Card
BACS
PayM
Bank Transfer
They're all instant.
What did I miss that is currently crippling SMEs?
Well that Brexit dividend the red bus with 300 million will come in handy just about now, and 10 new hospitals and 50,000 new nurses. Johnson lie ability ten out of ten
I think you mean Brexit, not Bexit !
Brexit is partly the reason the government are keep the country in lockdown, if we go back to normal too soon demand for goods will outstrip supply in no time. Shipping, exports, imports are in chaos and the stockpiling that happened last year is rapidly depleting.
Interesting ICC? If you are right then he is wasting our money helping people like you, who only moan about the rich Tories. I am a Tory and my dad was an insurance salesman and my wife’s dad a Miner, yet we are still Tories. Because caring Tories give back to other workers. Just because Sunak is quite wealthy he still is working for the common good
Spare me the humble Tory line. The Torues worship two things, wealth and political power, for a few. If they throw ordinary oeople a few crumbs from time to time it doesn't mean they care for them. They just want to save their political lives.
LOL well that has to be a joke as all the Tories ever do is suck money from the ordinary working people to line the pockets of the top 1%.
Oh they do their best hide it, like when they sell off public assets and let the ordinary folk have a few crumbs while they stuff their own pockets to overflowing, but you'd have to be pretty gullible to actually believe what you posted.
Oh they do their best hide it, like when they sell off public assets and let the ordinary folk have a few crumbs while they stuff their own pockets to overflowing, but you'd have to be pretty gullible to actually believe what you posted.
Deluded
'Quite wealthy. . . '
You haven't got a clue!
He owns 12 houses in London. Not in the suburds. London. I'd estimate 3-5million each.
Add his investment portfolios that he's placed into blind trusts.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's worth £100 million +.
His wife is worth £450 million.
You don't take the Chancellor's job to help people, you do it for kudos in your industry.
Re: George Osbourne.
You haven't got a clue!
He owns 12 houses in London. Not in the suburds. London. I'd estimate 3-5million each.
Add his investment portfolios that he's placed into blind trusts.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's worth £100 million +.
His wife is worth £450 million.
You don't take the Chancellor's job to help people, you do it for kudos in your industry.
Re: George Osbourne.
So why does Sunak continue to peddle the lie that the proposed Director's Income Support Scheme is at risk of fraud? Fact: the DISS, as it's known, is based on the net profits of a limited company, and restricted to a £50k profits cap. Accounts verified & submitted to Companies House by an accountant. Where's the fraud? Tories seemingly wish to kill the small biz.
I spoke to a festival organiser at the weekend who hosts a large music festival in September, he said the same. All festivals after 21st June are still advertising tickets for 2021 but they are fully expecting extensions to the restrictions.
Well, that's certainly one way to look at it. However, if the government imposes a lockdown and businesses are told to shut then, it's only fair that they provide a lifeline for those affected to get through it. Otherwise, there would be chaos. Also, don't tar everyone with the same brush. There is nothing I want more than to get back to work. If there's anything left to go back too?
Increase the scope of HS2 and we can have more people in gainful employment.
Good point, if we didn't really need it before covid, it truly is a white elephant now.
Get Amazon, Ebay, etc to pay proper tax
At least it will enable HYS to have plenty of comments
Increased taxes are definitely needed. But how to fairly tax the biggest lockdown beneficiary of all - Amazon?
It is taxed. NI contributions, employee tax etc etc all come from somewhere.
Out tax laws need to be radically overhauled because they might have worked before the digital age but they aren't fit for purpose now.
Where on earth is this unending pot of money coming from? the best way to save the economy and jobs is to end the lockdown. The vaccine is working. Hospitalisations have plummeted. The government continue to extend this as they don’t want to face the inevitable music.
Nobody chose this.
So what are you looking for? Riots and fighting in the streets? And because this is not happening people are lazy Dole dossers? What a ridiculous person you are.
As for ending it, the actual fight is being done by the scientists doling out the vaccines, which is the only way we can end it.
As for ending it, the actual fight is being done by the scientists doling out the vaccines, which is the only way we can end it.
So the government is paying the wages again.
In good times private companies make big profits and their fat cat owners trouser the cash.
In bad times private companies are effectively nationalized and tax payers pick up the bill.
But the bovine think this is a good system because the Right Wing Hate Media tells them so.
In good times private companies make big profits and their fat cat owners trouser the cash.
In bad times private companies are effectively nationalized and tax payers pick up the bill.
But the bovine think this is a good system because the Right Wing Hate Media tells them so.
At least it isnt extreme socialism where OAPS get given free tv licenses
Do you really think all private companies make big profits ???
I'm fortunate to have an employer who takes a reasonable salary and a sensible dividend if we have a good year. This wise approach has allowed us to build our cash reserves to ride out the past 11 months.
Please don't tar us all with the same brush !!!
I'm fortunate to have an employer who takes a reasonable salary and a sensible dividend if we have a good year. This wise approach has allowed us to build our cash reserves to ride out the past 11 months.
Please don't tar us all with the same brush !!!
And the hate-filled lefties want to see everybody down at he same level, apart from themselves.
Odd, bacause most of the media is left wing hte media. The rest of your post is correct though.
"Endangered pubs" will not be saved. Any pub premises that becomes available in any half desirable area will be snapped up for development before any half baled government scheme can save it.
If a pub is profitable, someone will run it as a pub. If it is not profitable then it should close and would close pandemic or not.
Which was the plan all along.
Maybe it's time to let many pubs go to the wall. The ones that are, effectively, restaurants in a location with good trade will survive. Those that just serve beer and bar snacks will probably go. And the drinking dens in town centres (pubs and clubs) that make the towns no-go areas on Friday and Saturday evenings deserve to go.
Without effective track and trace all other measures are waste of time. Johnson sacks 100,000 frontline track and trace operatives.
"Endangered pubs" will not be saved. Any pub premises that becomes available in any half desirable area will be snapped up for development before any half baled government scheme can save it.
Nope - many pubs are far more valuable as 'character' houses for the very wealthy. It's been happening for years.
Who sold it all in the first place and never built any more of it?
Yeah because rich property developers are so well know for building reasonably priced social housing...
Social housing? About as likely as affordable homes.....round here developers build a token ‘affordable house’ at £300,000 allowing them to build 40+ ‘executive homes’
Increased taxes are definitely needed. But how to fairly tax the biggest lockdown beneficiary of all - Amazon?
Says a lot about you, I have been fortunate enough to work from home throughout, many of my colleagues not so fortunate, Most are wanting to return to work and don’t see any joy in furlough. Same bills to pay less income to do so, without the government stepping in some would be homeless.Furlough is not through choice.
You obviously missed it but "Captain Hindsight" set out the Labour position on furlough last year and they would only target those that need the money instead of throwing it at everybody Tory style.
Strangely you lot seem to think that throwing money at anybody and everybody is more fiscally prudent than supporting only those that need it eh Captain Uninformed.
Strangely you lot seem to think that throwing money at anybody and everybody is more fiscally prudent than supporting only those that need it eh Captain Uninformed.
We need to encourage the fast movement of money, meaning easy trading between small businesses.
That is the only way we will have a proper recovery.
Currently the barriers to entry for doing business are far too high, to start a business properly in a place like London you need to risk your life savings, it just shouldn't be that bad.
In a healthy market, rents would get cheaper at this time.
That is the only way we will have a proper recovery.
Currently the barriers to entry for doing business are far too high, to start a business properly in a place like London you need to risk your life savings, it just shouldn't be that bad.
In a healthy market, rents would get cheaper at this time.
Supply and demand, if you have a large number of empty premises with nobody to fill them, you can either let them sit empty and make a loss or reduce your asking price gradually until someone takes on the space.
There will always be someone willing to take a space for the right price.
That is economic sense, mate.
There will always be someone willing to take a space for the right price.
That is economic sense, mate.
Extend furlough fine, but phase it out over the rest of the year and target it at the more vunerable sectors of the economy such as hospitality and the low paid.
Your obviously on the Furlough scheme , phase it out over the rest of the year , very selfish attitude for the rest of us who are the key workers who get nothing !!!
Times are hard and this approach is welcome but the payback will be huge when it comes. Mind you, with no GE until 2014 and a useless opposition party, the government can pretty much do what it wants.
100% this.
The government knows the electorate are happy to be lied to.
They also know we don't care about the death rates & corruption.
Its a free for all. Cheered on by the plebs.
How did we get here?
The government knows the electorate are happy to be lied to.
They also know we don't care about the death rates & corruption.
Its a free for all. Cheered on by the plebs.
How did we get here?
Great, more fraud and wasted money. Not really what we need right now.
Wow! That'll be over a year some people have got help, it's been amazing for them and of course everyone is glad it's there to help keep everything afloat. Keep an eye on those still working, though.
I decided to quit my job at Xmas due to mental strain brought on whilst my team was furloughed. Now I don't earn a penny.
Strange old world. Fingers crossed we can all get back to some normality.
I decided to quit my job at Xmas due to mental strain brought on whilst my team was furloughed. Now I don't earn a penny.
Strange old world. Fingers crossed we can all get back to some normality.
If he punishes my business with corporation tax of 25% then I'll close the business and restart as a sole trader. I have had ZERO help through this car crash and it looks like i'm going to be the first Rishi plans to attack.
Maybe a career as tack and trace consultant awaits? £400,000 work from home
That seems to be the way with all this. If you don't qualify for help for whatever reason it seems to put a target on your back when it comes to paying it back.
Furlough wow just extend indefinitely that’s the way to not loss jobs... very clever
People need to stop demonising furlough as akin to benefits culture.
who pays for this? no increase tax? just freeze salaries of drs, nurses, teachers, other public sector workers for next 25 years
Why? Because it is worse than being on benefits? Benefits claimants are, at least, honestly unemployed.
'Free markets' don't support co's. Their greedy little extended hands make me sick.
'Free markets' don't support co's. Their greedy little extended hands make me sick.
Interesting ICC? If you are right then he is wasting our money helping people like you, who only moan about the rich Tories. I am a Tory and my dad was an insurance salesman and my wife’s dad a Miner, yet we are still Tories. Because caring Tories give back to other workers. Just because Sunak is quite wealthy he still is working for the common good
If it's only Tories who "worship wealth and power", why do we constantly see stories about the power struggles in the SNP, for example, or Labour MPs with their snouts in the trough?
You keep believing that if it makes you happy. Of course what you call happiness is what most other people would call bitterness.
You talk about wealth and power, well, union leaders constantly show that they LOVE both and will do anything to keep them.
You talk about wealth and power, well, union leaders constantly show that they LOVE both and will do anything to keep them.
"Business support including furlough and the VAT cut for hospitality firms will continue "while lockdown persists""
Is this all hospitality firms as not all had to lock down fully? Takeaways and anything with an online focus will have been operating as normal and therefore should not need to avail of either of these
Is this all hospitality firms as not all had to lock down fully? Takeaways and anything with an online focus will have been operating as normal and therefore should not need to avail of either of these
You obviously missed it but "Captain Hindsight" set out the Labour position on furlough last year and they would only target those that need the money instead of throwing it at everybody Tory style.
Strangely you lot seem to think that throwing money at anybody and everybody is more fiscally prudent than supporting only those that need it eh Captain Uninformed.
Strangely you lot seem to think that throwing money at anybody and everybody is more fiscally prudent than supporting only those that need it eh Captain Uninformed.
This argument only applies to the west as most countries in the east handled the pandemic well.
There was social distancing and mask wearing for the spanish flu and yet we were more reluctant to do the same thing 100 years later because of some public paranoias over control.
There was social distancing and mask wearing for the spanish flu and yet we were more reluctant to do the same thing 100 years later because of some public paranoias over control.
Samuel Pepys' diary literally talks about being locked down during the plague. Presumably that wasn't borrowed from China?
"borrowed from China"
Have you heard of the Plague? The village of Eyam by any chance?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-35064071
Have you heard of the Plague? The village of Eyam by any chance?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-35064071
What inane rubbish, or when you hear "east" can you only think of china and ignore the rest over there?
No I wouldn't want to live under Chinas oppressionist regime, what I want is some competence within our own government but of course you immediately assume the extremes with my comment to fuel your faux outrage.
Grow up
No I wouldn't want to live under Chinas oppressionist regime, what I want is some competence within our own government but of course you immediately assume the extremes with my comment to fuel your faux outrage.
Grow up
Quarantine was introduced during the Great Plague. Quarantine is actually 40 days. in those days, if somebody in your house had it, you were all locked in; your door was nailed shut, from the outside. Some people, here, couldn't even manage 5 days!
Maybe so but if this were a pandemic of something deadlier - ebola or Marburg fever for example - the British army would be out shooting curfew-breakers on the street, democracy or no democracy.
At some point even civil rights need to give way to pubic health.
At some point even civil rights need to give way to pubic health.
Furlough saved my life. I'd have starved without it. I've never been on benefits and never claimed a penny until the furlough scheme started in march. I am now working again thankfully. Just because people are bar staff or hotel workers doesn't mean they have no work ethic. I was desperate to get back to work.
whole country owes public employees - doctors nurses teachers a lot. owes small company owners nil. the capitalist model is based on the idea that you take a risk - if it goes well you profit if it goes badly you fold. we have this weird take on it - if it goes well you profit; badly the public stuffs your coffers. banks fail - drs, nurses salaries frozen for 9 y - 30% cut in real terms.
I think you mean Brexit, not Bexit !
Is this all hospitality firms as not all had to lock down fully? Takeaways and anything with an online focus will have been operating as normal and therefore should not need to avail of either of these