Budget 2021: Furlough set to be extended - Kwasi Kwarteng
02/03/2021 | news | politics | 1,868
Kwasi Kwarteng says help for firms and workers will continue, as Chancellor Rishi Sunak prepares to unveil the Budget.
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02/03/2021 12:49:43 23 10
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"Business support including furlough and the VAT cut for hospitality firms will continue "while lockdown persists""

Is this all hospitality firms as not all had to lock down fully? Takeaways and anything with an online focus will have been operating as normal and therefore should not need to avail of either of these
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02/03/2021 13:09:17 5 3
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Hospitality includes pubs, restaurants who make most money with people eating in (and buying say marked up wine not so in takeaway) , hotels, nightclubs etc
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02/03/2021 14:03:28 0 4
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Careful! The left wing will be calling you racist for suggesting this...
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02/03/2021 12:49:45 35 5
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Ask us tomorrow when we know what we are talking about.
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02/03/2021 12:52:51 41 35
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Since when has the government known what it's talking about.

It's modus operandi is to tell people what they want to hear, not what they need to know.
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02/03/2021 12:50:33 231 38
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If any lessons had been learnt from the 6 other pandemics in the last century, so much of this chaos & damage could have been avoided, jobs/companies could have been saved, and we could avoid adding £billions more debt onto our kids.

As the saying goes "the only thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history"
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02/03/2021 12:56:44 177 61
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This argument only applies to the west as most countries in the east handled the pandemic well.

There was social distancing and mask wearing for the spanish flu and yet we were more reluctant to do the same thing 100 years later because of some public paranoias over control.
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02/03/2021 12:58:16 14 53
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How about we spend the money on free testing at airports instead. That way we can abolish these ridiculous travel restrictions and get all the borders open.

Money better spent in the long term as millions of travel sector workers can go back to work instead of being furloughed.
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02/03/2021 12:54:39 20 5
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You're not allowed to say that.

Someone will pop up with the new inane excuse for everything :

Hindsight !
Hindsight !
Hindsight !

(repeat ad nauseum, like a dalek)
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02/03/2021 12:56:04 17 6
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Exactly ! Those of us who survive to the next pandemic will just see all the same mistakes being made again !
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Amy
02/03/2021 13:18:26 7 20
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Understanding State Money supply is a good thing. Where does the government get its money from?

No we are not " adding £billions more debt onto our kids."
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02/03/2021 13:57:57 14 9
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The obvious thing we SHOULD have learnt from this is that the UK has a large percentage of population whole will do their own thing regardless of safety rules. It started with the BLM protest, people going to the beach, raves, parties , etc, and despite being told repeatedly not to do it they just carried on.. And then they had the temerity to blame the govt'! Thick as .....
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02/03/2021 14:10:47 5 1
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We never learn when it comes to high impact infrequent disasters.
Volcanoes, Earthquakes,Hurricane, Climate Change, deforestation, Meteor Impacts.
We could plan for the future and find ways to make it economic.
Humanity puts it’s head in the sand.
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02/03/2021 14:13:55 4 2
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I couldn't agree more. Too many people thought that this would all be over in a couple of months, not the usual couple of years. This, I think, added to the mental health problems, which were caused by the way in which we live.
The government's biggest failure, I think, was trying to keep everything the same, when fundamental change was required, that and a lack of public health education.
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02/03/2021 14:20:14 2 4
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So exactly where is this debt ?? Government borrowed money in the form of "gilts" the Bank of England paid back these borrowings from the Financial Institutions etc. in the form of "printing money" ...we own nothing to nobody .....
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02/03/2021 15:24:45 2 0
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Exactly. They should have ask "if we do this, will it teach us anything we can afford to repeat again if need?" For most of what we've done the answer is no.
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02/03/2021 15:49:01 0 2
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why didn’t you become a politician instead of criticising them?
02/03/2021 17:15:05 3 0
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I sympathise with the small businesses but the larger companies who pay huge amounts to shareholders should get no help. Claw the money back from people who have benefited for years.
02/03/2021 18:13:30 1 0
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6 other pandemics? Spanish flu yes but the other 5? nothing like the scale of this one
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02/03/2021 12:50:34 37 26
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Where on earth is this unending pot of money coming from? the best way to save the economy and jobs is to end the lockdown. The vaccine is working. Hospitalisations have plummeted. The government continue to extend this as they don’t want to face the inevitable music.
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02/03/2021 12:54:39 35 18
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Apparently the Tories not only found labours magic money tree but found their own forest of them. I don't think any tory supporter can attack labours spending plans anymore given the amount the tories have wasted under Boris
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VoR
02/03/2021 12:58:23 8 4
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Hospitalisations have plummeted... During lockdown. Need a bit more vaccination first before it more than makes up for lockdown removal.
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02/03/2021 12:59:04 2 2
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Us in the long term. Who else is going to pay it? It always the same Labour bail out the banks we paid for it in cuts.
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02/03/2021 13:00:33 5 2
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We the people are going to pay for it and the poor whose services are going to be cut again.
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Amy
02/03/2021 13:04:41 4 2
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Try to read up on money supply. The government is not a cornershop. It manufacturers its own money.
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02/03/2021 14:00:12 1 1
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"Hospitalisations have plummeted" but that doesn't mean they aren't still full to capacity. Personally my local hospital is only now looking to close it's second nightingale ICU which will only leave the normal ICU and one additional overflow ICU operating.
From all the £10.000 fines and the £800 fines. . . oh wait no one is paying them and never will apart from £1 a month what a joke.
I'm creaming it £800 a week for doing bugger all whilst I go out and earn another £1500 a week, please keep the furlough coming I have a villa in Pueto Banus to pay for and a full chomper of veneers coming up. . . . luving it you mugs keep crying saddo's
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02/03/2021 12:51:34 179 8
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What is the point of the chancellors speech, everything is out there already in the media
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02/03/2021 12:57:02 61 7
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The Devil, as they say, is in the detail.
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02/03/2021 13:18:58 12 2
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If a lot of people don't like the 'rumours' he can change it for tomorrow - that's how a populist government works. Very little to do with what's needed if it upsets the red wall Cons.
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02/03/2021 13:49:44 5 1
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Because the Tory mp’s , like Gove are former journalists. They keep leaning it to gauge public opinion. If you want to o ow what’s happening read the telegraph / times
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02/03/2021 13:52:10 6 1
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Suspect it's deliberate - and a clever strategy. Leak out a flavour of what's to come, and monitor the response from the masses.

Enables you to tweak the actual announcement without being accused of doing a U-turn.
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Rob
02/03/2021 13:56:57 4 2
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"What is the point of the chancellors speech, everything is out there already in the media"

Not everything, just the bits they want us to see.
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02/03/2021 15:47:08 3 0
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Meanwhile :-

City firms revealed in the final months of 2020 that they planned to shift nearly £100bn in assets to the EU, taking the total value of assets lost to the bloc since the Brexit vote to £1.3 trillion, according to a new survey.

£1.3 TRILLION !!!

Not here on the Beano though ! must be difficult for them, trying to find positive gov stories to spin up !
02/03/2021 16:22:21 2 0
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Yes he’s testing out the reaction it is getting. Those that have a negative reaction will be ‘improved’ in the actual speech to soften the blow.
02/03/2021 16:24:05 2 0
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Because they have to check how popular each thing is before it's official.
02/03/2021 17:13:47 1 0
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He has to turn up to show he is working, not idling at home.
02/03/2021 21:41:51 0 0
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When can I claim the seiss grant and what percentage of my earnings is it worth?
02/03/2021 22:47:35 0 0
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Because you live in a kingdom with princes and princesses, in 2021.
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02/03/2021 12:51:37 82 3
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Its gonna cost you no matter how they cut it!!!!
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02/03/2021 13:55:01 59 33
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Not really, if they do it fairly then the people who have benefitted from furlough payments will be taxed accordingly to pay it back.
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02/03/2021 12:52:16 93 31
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It is common sense to extend the furlough scheme to the end of July which is the expected end vaccination program for people who are 30+.

Keeping it at 80% of pay however is another issue altogether.
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02/03/2021 12:58:57 64 2
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The scheme has been a life saver for so many, but then there are many companies using it so save money.

You can't have a rule to separate them so you either pay and give some away or you create more job losses.
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02/03/2021 13:19:27 5 11
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Why? What has the furlough scheme actually done?
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02/03/2021 13:28:27 5 14
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There are a lot of Tory cronies using furlough cash to pay their wage bills while expecting staff to continue working from home but for 80% of normal wages.
As per normal with the Tories what we are seeing is corporate socialism funding the profits of their pals, while many of the poorest in society are ignored and are reliant on food banks to eat.
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Bob
02/03/2021 13:52:26 5 2
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He previously committed to keeping it in place for as long as they're forcing businesses to remain closed.

By June we'll have no restrictions, and much earlier than that the vast majority of businesses will be open again.
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02/03/2021 13:53:45 10 13
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If you've benefitted from furlough you should be expected to pay it back when the time comes.
Taxing the people who have worked throughout the pandemic and had to bear the costs of doing so would be a disgrace.
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02/03/2021 16:18:12 1 1
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So how are we meant to live if we dint get any help i work in a pub am struggling to survive on 80% hope ure one of the lucky ones that arent
02/03/2021 20:07:02 0 0
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In Germany it is 60%
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02/03/2021 12:49:45 35 5
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Ask us tomorrow when we know what we are talking about.
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02/03/2021 12:52:51 41 35
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Since when has the government known what it's talking about.

It's modus operandi is to tell people what they want to hear, not what they need to know.
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02/03/2021 12:57:19 10 11
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100% this.

The government knows the electorate are happy to be lied to.

They also know we don't care about the death rates & corruption.

Its a free for all. Cheered on by the plebs.

How did we get here?
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02/03/2021 13:03:32 5 2
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Yes we need to be told out this is going to be paid back we because it won't be the 650 MPs paying it back
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02/03/2021 13:21:15 8 3
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Same as tabloid press - hasn't been anything about 'news' for many years, just 'keep paying me the daily fee and I'll tell you what you want to hear'. Does it work? Hell, yes; Brexit the perfect example.
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02/03/2021 13:23:30 0 3
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What do people need to know oh wise one? The meaning of life?
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02/03/2021 14:46:23 1 1
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That was the point Captain Brown Eye was making... "Ask us tomorrow...", you then ask tomorrow but now its today, so again they say "Ask us tomorrow...", and then tomorrow comes so now its today and they say it again and again, because in reality they'll never know what they're talking about.
02/03/2021 17:25:15 1 0
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How right. Its called spin.
02/03/2021 22:22:01 0 0
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"tell people what they want to hear"

"they", being the gov't
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02/03/2021 12:53:33 18 6
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Times are hard and this approach is welcome but the payback will be huge when it comes. Mind you, with no GE until 2014 and a useless opposition party, the government can pretty much do what it wants.
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02/03/2021 12:55:27 18 3
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No GE until 2014?????
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alf
02/03/2021 12:57:55 2 1
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Are you writing from some point in the past? ;)
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02/03/2021 12:58:08 4 2
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I thought it was 2024 for the next GE or will that be a retrospective one
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02/03/2021 13:08:10 5 1
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Great Scott! Did you hit 88mph and go back in time?

This is heavy
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02/03/2021 13:32:47 0 1
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And it does!
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02/03/2021 13:54:39 1 1
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The government has an 80 seat majority so can do what it likes.

Captain foresite has no power, what do you expect him to do?
02/03/2021 17:10:17 0 0
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Back to the future part 1V?
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02/03/2021 12:53:50 14 18
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The furlough scheme has been a lifesaver to so many, but extending this any further is unwise.
Lets remove all lockdown measures by 5th April and get everyone back to work.
We can continue to ask international arrivals to test and isolate.
We can continue mass testing to gather useful data.
People need to get back to a routine, sadly, some will no doubt want furlough to last until Jan 2022
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02/03/2021 12:55:36 11 9
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Some want furlough to last forever.
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02/03/2021 12:56:36 5 4
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Do you really think just because of a vaccine we are through this and can open everything up again so quickly? If so you clearly haven't learnt anything from the last two openings.

We need a much slower and cautious opening than what is planned, not open quicker.
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02/03/2021 12:53:55 278 88
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Sunak will be the wealthiest Chancellor to ever deliver a budget. When he says to people like me “I know what you are going through “ I don’t believe him.
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02/03/2021 12:56:11 203 147
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He doesn't know or care what you are going through like most rich tories he us not affected by the policies he instigates.
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02/03/2021 13:40:34 8 5
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Racist and jealous of the fact he made better life choices than you. His personal wealth has nothing to do with his ability to do the job. This is pure bitterness on your part. I have just over 150k in the bank no mortgage and im just a hospital cleaner. That makes me quite well off for my job but it doesn't take away from my ability to do it
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02/03/2021 13:58:04 6 7
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Sunak should ?Implement laws to prevent tax evasion to help save Britain’s economy. ?
?Oh wait. ?
?Him, his wife, and their Tory mates are the culprits?
?Over £400billion a year is denied to Britain by tax dodgers ?
Tory Traitors
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02/03/2021 15:41:22 1 1
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I agree entirely but he's better delivering budgets instead of delivering trays of food to customers tables during Eat Out to Help Out whilst neglecting to wear a face covering. Let's hope that ill thought out barmy idea doesn't come back this time around!
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02/03/2021 15:50:29 2 2
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You should check out the backgrounds of Labour politicians. Plenty of them come from privileged backgrounds.
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02/03/2021 17:45:51 0 0
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You mean to say that wealthy people cannot be chancellors !! Let’s find the poorest person in the world for the position.
02/03/2021 22:45:49 0 0
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Every chancellor, EVERY MP is wealthy. They're on £80k a year and have 2 homes, one paid for by us.
Bit shocked you believe any of them. Ever.

Why else prop up the hospitality game? Because they're all in it!
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02/03/2021 22:46:15 0 0
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The chancellor should take the time and speak with people that were excluded from his covid support packages.

shambles of a government.. pay tax all my life.. short term contract.. excluded.. wish they would try living off £74 a week.

they don't need to worry..

yearly pay rises.
10K "emergency" office budget on top of on the of 26K.
double redundancy pay.
2 months pay for "closing down office"
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02/03/2021 12:54:26 7 21
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I think this is a precursor to extending lockdown. If I had to hazard a guess, and this is a guess not a desire, I can see lockdown being extended to the autumn with the justification being the new variants. I do hope not but the Government knows such a move would be supported by most people.
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02/03/2021 13:00:54 2 1
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I spoke to a festival organiser at the weekend who hosts a large music festival in September, he said the same. All festivals after 21st June are still advertising tickets for 2021 but they are fully expecting extensions to the restrictions.
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02/03/2021 13:14:35 0 1
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If the roadmap had been laid out without dates you may be right, now that seed has been sewn that 21st June is the end of restrictions I am not so sure. Only got to look at how Xmas was ignored once the seed had been sewn.
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02/03/2021 12:54:34 79 5
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IWe're all going to pay for this. Starting with council tax, rises of 5% from April where I live
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02/03/2021 12:59:39 52 17
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But we get such good value for money. Ha ha!!
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02/03/2021 13:01:16 14 1
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It won't stop there. The next two generations will be paying for this and I bet a lot more debt too. In reality we will never clear the debt fully.
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02/03/2021 13:10:14 9 6
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Council tax rise has been 5% where I live for years due to cuts in central funding, Only difference this year is that there is a justifiable reason. When more cuts follow from government to councils what is the betting the cap will be lifted,
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02/03/2021 13:24:59 7 10
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Mostly Labour councils.
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02/03/2021 13:46:06 10 2
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I've had 5% rises the past 2 years. So that'll be 15% in 3 years, & Birmingham Council still can't get my bins emptied in & on time
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02/03/2021 13:56:35 14 3
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The people who have benefitted from furlough payments should be paying it back. Why are the rest of the population picking up the bill for those who have had over a year of time off work and been paid for the privilege.
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02/03/2021 14:15:18 2 3
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Perhaps this is the time to start a minor revolution and all not pay it. After all, the cost keeps rising but the service decreasing.
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02/03/2021 16:19:06 5 2
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Everybody wants the council services, but nobody wants to pay for them. Have you actually seen what local councils are responsible for now?
02/03/2021 17:20:02 2 1
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And why is that. Lack of Govt funding. In effect a tax rise. Stealth.
02/03/2021 17:27:53 0 0
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Paid 4.99% year on year increase, since moving out of London to Kwasi Kwarteng’s constituency
02/03/2021 18:55:27 0 0
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Councils are like central government always wasting public money due to bad management. No one is ever held responsible for failings and they just increase charges/taxes with no regard to the average working person who has to pay more to survive. Those on benefits are never affected.
02/03/2021 19:42:33 0 0
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But then we're all not going to pay for it, are we? Only those of us who pay such things as council tax and income tax will do so. Much fairer to put VAT up, so that the wealthy, who buy more or buy high value goods, contribute more, but EVERYONE pays SOMETHING.
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02/03/2021 12:50:34 37 26
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Where on earth is this unending pot of money coming from? the best way to save the economy and jobs is to end the lockdown. The vaccine is working. Hospitalisations have plummeted. The government continue to extend this as they don’t want to face the inevitable music.
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02/03/2021 12:54:39 35 18
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Apparently the Tories not only found labours magic money tree but found their own forest of them. I don't think any tory supporter can attack labours spending plans anymore given the amount the tories have wasted under Boris
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02/03/2021 12:58:09 15 5
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By 'wasted' you mean 'Gifted to their friends and donors'?

Yeah, thought so.
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02/03/2021 13:01:05 6 15
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You got to be joking a Labour government always spends more then more again. Once they leave office they blame the Tories for the cuts in public money we have to have to repay Labour debts
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02/03/2021 13:06:47 2 4
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Waisting the money on Who? The people who else!!!
Why do we bother!!!
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02/03/2021 13:19:53 2 1
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They will though is there way find a scapegoat Stoke up the media to deflect from their ineptitude and we in enough numbers fall for it time after time.
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02/03/2021 12:53:33 18 6
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Times are hard and this approach is welcome but the payback will be huge when it comes. Mind you, with no GE until 2014 and a useless opposition party, the government can pretty much do what it wants.
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02/03/2021 12:55:27 18 3
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No GE until 2014?????
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02/03/2021 12:59:44 9 1
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D”oh! Only 10 years out! Sorry!
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02/03/2021 12:53:50 14 18
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The furlough scheme has been a lifesaver to so many, but extending this any further is unwise.
Lets remove all lockdown measures by 5th April and get everyone back to work.
We can continue to ask international arrivals to test and isolate.
We can continue mass testing to gather useful data.
People need to get back to a routine, sadly, some will no doubt want furlough to last until Jan 2022
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02/03/2021 12:55:36 11 9
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Some want furlough to last forever.
02/03/2021 20:46:32 0 0
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Maybe. But the vast majority want to return to work.
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02/03/2021 12:53:55 278 88
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Sunak will be the wealthiest Chancellor to ever deliver a budget. When he says to people like me “I know what you are going through “ I don’t believe him.
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02/03/2021 12:56:11 203 147
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He doesn't know or care what you are going through like most rich tories he us not affected by the policies he instigates.
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02/03/2021 13:02:56 47 50
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Interesting ICC? If you are right then he is wasting our money helping people like you, who only moan about the rich Tories. I am a Tory and my dad was an insurance salesman and my wife’s dad a Miner, yet we are still Tories. Because caring Tories give back to other workers. Just because Sunak is quite wealthy he still is working for the common good
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02/03/2021 13:07:18 37 11
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Neither are rich Labour affected
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02/03/2021 13:16:31 33 32
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Just because he is rich and tory, doesn't mean he doesn't care.. typical narrow minded thinking
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02/03/2021 13:19:12 22 16
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I think you'll find that his policies have directly protected his UK properties from falling in price
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02/03/2021 13:22:40 14 12
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See Starmer's doing well in the labour party and the polls.
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02/03/2021 13:31:40 23 12
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Of course he's affected ICC, every time he cuts tax for the top 1% of the population (as the Tories have done repeatedy since 2010) he increases his personal fortune by more than an ordinary person will earn in their entire lifetime.
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stu
02/03/2021 13:44:20 2 4
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You say rich tories, i think what you mean to say is rich mp's
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02/03/2021 13:44:44 6 7
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With a background in finance, at least he has some idea what he is talking about. Who could have any confidence in the morose, doom laden Anneliese Dodds, an Oxbridge privately educated left wing University lecturer who looks as idf she is about to burst into tears at any moment. Not exactly a woman of the people.
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02/03/2021 14:01:51 4 4
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U think Labour politicians arent rich people who also look after their mates
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02/03/2021 14:19:48 3 3
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Starmer's got a few quid you know ... so does that mean he doesn't care and is only playing at being a socialist as it pays well ?
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02/03/2021 15:36:08 2 1
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And you probably support a party lead by Sir Kier Starmer, you know him, the poor destitute barrow boy.
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02/03/2021 15:52:04 2 2
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What about the privileged Labour politicians? Keir Starmer is about as working class as a dish of caviar.
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02/03/2021 16:17:16 2 0
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I don't think the average Tory MP or minister is any richer than the average Labour one. You really have to stop living in the 19th Century you know. The reality is that half the country, even in normal times, are dependent on government handouts to make ends meet
02/03/2021 17:26:30 0 0
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Stupid comment
02/03/2021 17:30:06 0 0
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So we should employ a council estate thicko who uses payday loans as our chancellor, because they have empathy, rather than someone presumably educated and intelligent.
02/03/2021 22:19:28 0 0
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That's right Comrade!
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02/03/2021 12:53:50 14 18
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The furlough scheme has been a lifesaver to so many, but extending this any further is unwise.
Lets remove all lockdown measures by 5th April and get everyone back to work.
We can continue to ask international arrivals to test and isolate.
We can continue mass testing to gather useful data.
People need to get back to a routine, sadly, some will no doubt want furlough to last until Jan 2022
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02/03/2021 12:56:36 5 4
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Do you really think just because of a vaccine we are through this and can open everything up again so quickly? If so you clearly haven't learnt anything from the last two openings.

We need a much slower and cautious opening than what is planned, not open quicker.
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02/03/2021 12:50:33 231 38
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If any lessons had been learnt from the 6 other pandemics in the last century, so much of this chaos & damage could have been avoided, jobs/companies could have been saved, and we could avoid adding £billions more debt onto our kids.

As the saying goes "the only thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history"
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02/03/2021 12:56:44 177 61
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This argument only applies to the west as most countries in the east handled the pandemic well.

There was social distancing and mask wearing for the spanish flu and yet we were more reluctant to do the same thing 100 years later because of some public paranoias over control.
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02/03/2021 13:09:24 29 18
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Ironic you should call it paranoia in response to someone commenting about the reluctance to learn from history.

This whole lockdown idea was borrowed from China yet I doubt we'd all be queuing up to live under their regime full time.
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02/03/2021 13:27:43 20 6
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Taiwan half the population of UK. total Covid deaths 15. GDP steady 8%
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02/03/2021 13:52:12 8 4
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I think there are many countries in the East who have alot to learn from this pandemic most notably how it was contracted in the first place.
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02/03/2021 15:38:26 0 6
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perhaps you should go and live in China
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Ian
02/03/2021 15:49:26 2 5
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The Spanish flu had people wearing face masks?

Don't make me laugh in 1918/19 viruses were unknown they certainly did not know how they spread.

Over 50 million people died from that "plague" spread by soldiers returning home - I have never seen a picture of anyone wearing a face mask then.
02/03/2021 16:46:23 1 1
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Paranoia over Control ? Educate yourself before commenting in future.
02/03/2021 17:54:51 4 2
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Spanish flu killed 50 million worldwide from a population of 2 Billion.
Covid has killed 3 million from 7 Billion. Covid is 40 TIMES less bad.
Hardly comparable is it !!
02/03/2021 18:17:21 1 1
bbc
there was not widespread mask wearing or social distancing for the Spanish Flu.
02/03/2021 19:34:32 1 0
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arcangel: Look, please cast your mind back to nearly a year ago when the government DID NOT advise that masks should be worn. In fact, there was quite a controversy by various scientists whether mask were effective at all.

It was NOT until late last summer when the government stated that masks must be worn by shoppers in supermarkets, but the staff were exempt. Half baked insanity at its highest
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02/03/2021 12:51:34 179 8
bbc
What is the point of the chancellors speech, everything is out there already in the media
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02/03/2021 12:57:02 61 7
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The Devil, as they say, is in the detail.
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02/03/2021 13:17:15 14 1
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To right the devil is in the detail, we have already seen recently what is in the media v reality, Ask any fisherman.
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02/03/2021 15:13:40 3 0
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Which isn't in the speech anyway, its in the accompanying documents
02/03/2021 17:16:44 1 0
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And watch for the stealth. Rise in council tax a cut in people's incomes because Govt refuse to fund them and services properly.
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02/03/2021 12:57:03 101 34
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So any Con MP who votes against budget could be expelled from parliamentary party.So why are they there if BJ and the pirates won’t allow them freedom of speech and opinions.
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02/03/2021 13:00:24 107 10
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It's called politics and I certainly don't agree the way our system works.
Each MP should be working for his constituents not on a party line.
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Amy
02/03/2021 13:16:14 7 8
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They are allowed Freedom of Speech. But they chose to be in a Party with a whip. They need to abide by the rules of the party they choose to join.
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02/03/2021 13:50:49 5 1
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This is the problem with the party system - if you want to be in my party do as you're told.
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02/03/2021 15:53:06 1 1
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All political parties expect loyalty, or it is not a party. Labour do the same.
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02/03/2021 12:52:51 41 35
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Since when has the government known what it's talking about.

It's modus operandi is to tell people what they want to hear, not what they need to know.
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02/03/2021 12:57:19 10 11
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100% this.

The government knows the electorate are happy to be lied to.

They also know we don't care about the death rates & corruption.

Its a free for all. Cheered on by the plebs.

How did we get here?
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02/03/2021 13:08:18 8 5
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People prefer feel-good lies. They're living in their own virtual reality. It's sad how the truth has been devalued by multi-channel media and populism.
Absolute joke!!!

Lazy people sat on their arse for a bit longer while the rest of us pay for it!!!

Turn off Netflix, put the crisps down and get back to work!!!

Bunch of dole dosers!!!
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02/03/2021 13:01:05 4 2
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Nobody chose this.
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02/03/2021 13:03:30 5 1
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Well, that's certainly one way to look at it. However, if the government imposes a lockdown and businesses are told to shut then, it's only fair that they provide a lifeline for those affected to get through it. Otherwise, there would be chaos. Also, don't tar everyone with the same brush. There is nothing I want more than to get back to work. If there's anything left to go back too?
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02/03/2021 13:04:05 2 1
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there not signing on the dole if they are furlough you muppet
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02/03/2021 13:05:04 0 4
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Yes, you are right! And people who work will pay more taxes ??
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02/03/2021 13:06:58 3 1
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Says a lot about you, I have been fortunate enough to work from home throughout, many of my colleagues not so fortunate, Most are wanting to return to work and don’t see any joy in furlough. Same bills to pay less income to do so, without the government stepping in some would be homeless.Furlough is not through choice.
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02/03/2021 13:09:37 3 1
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Furlough saved my life. I'd have starved without it. I've never been on benefits and never claimed a penny until the furlough scheme started in march. I am now working again thankfully. Just because people are bar staff or hotel workers doesn't mean they have no work ethic. I was desperate to get back to work.
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02/03/2021 13:12:50 1 1
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Wow milk of human kindness on HYS. If you actually did some basic research you'll find that EMPLOYERS have put some employees on furlough. It's not the employees choice. Still I suppose you would rather everyone be made jobless so your comment of " dole dossers" could be used every other sentence by you. I have worked throughout and count myself lucky so go and have a word with yourself.
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Amy
02/03/2021 13:14:30 1 1
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You don't pay for anything mate. Get the book Bullshit Jobs: The Rise of Pointless Work, and What We Can Do About It. by Graeber. Is your job one of those?
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02/03/2021 13:00:56 2 1
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Furlough isn't a choice.
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02/03/2021 12:57:32 3 6
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Mrs Thatcher would have had a furlough scheme.....
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02/03/2021 13:03:32 6 4
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Yes but not 80%!! ''Only give them a little and make them grateful for what they have got''
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02/03/2021 13:10:19 1 1
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She would not have done.
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02/03/2021 13:23:47 1 1
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Thatcher would also have kept us in the EU and sorted Farage and the ERG out.
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02/03/2021 12:53:33 18 6
bbc
Times are hard and this approach is welcome but the payback will be huge when it comes. Mind you, with no GE until 2014 and a useless opposition party, the government can pretty much do what it wants.
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alf
02/03/2021 12:57:55 2 1
bbc
Are you writing from some point in the past? ;)
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02/03/2021 12:58:03 34 8
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Wow! That'll be over a year some people have got help, it's been amazing for them and of course everyone is glad it's there to help keep everything afloat. Keep an eye on those still working, though.

I decided to quit my job at Xmas due to mental strain brought on whilst my team was furloughed. Now I don't earn a penny.

Strange old world. Fingers crossed we can all get back to some normality.
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02/03/2021 13:08:21 16 17
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Should've went on the sick mate...
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02/03/2021 14:39:27 5 15
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hi AlClo
" I decided to quit due to mental strain". As far as I can remember NOBODY quit during the war. WE just got up and bloody well got on with it. You should try it sometime. To come home from the night shift to find a hole where your house was 15 hours ago, is quite sobering. Try talking to an 80 year old from one of the bigger manufacturing towns.
02/03/2021 17:36:08 4 0
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Really sorry to hear that, hope you’re okay. People are quick to criticise you but the pressure put on those still working and covering for those on furlough or homeschooling can be unbearable. Take care of yourself.
02/03/2021 20:19:41 0 0
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Massive mistake quitting during furlough. Free money
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02/03/2021 12:58:04 426 88
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We can't keep doing this indefinitely. Eventually we have to get back to some sort of normal while there's still something left to get back to!

It's a virus, a nasty one admittedly, but we need to learn to live with it... not run away from it and lock everyone up.
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02/03/2021 13:12:27 145 221
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We can't keep doing this indefinitely

My greatest fear is that maybe the Governments intention.
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02/03/2021 13:25:35 81 83
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If the government had acted with the best interests of the country at heart instead of the interests of their cronies we would not be in this mess.
An early lockdown in March 2020, quarantines for air travel from late March and short lockdowns after that when SAGE identified the need and we could have saved 100,000+ lives and reduced economic damage to minimal like Aus or NZ.
The gov failed badly.
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Amy
02/03/2021 13:29:40 55 69
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"to learn to live with it".

You were told again and again: Social distance, wear a mask, wash your hands. If you had done all that then most likely there would have been no lockdown.
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02/03/2021 13:33:29 15 10
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My fear is they will in some form, and the same groups will be excluded from help again.

For example the economically inactive, who may be forced to look for work because the world's changed. They don't necessarily need financial help, but access to retraining and help getting a job but they are denied access to appropriate schemes.
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02/03/2021 13:37:00 59 35
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I am fortunate to live in a lovely village in Devon. If you saw the behaviours of the visitors here last Sunday (A very warm sunny day) people don't seem able to live with it. There were large groups (8+) together, cyclists 6 or more in a group and a couple asked for directions as they were having a day out from a town 85 miles away! Unless everyone follows the rules lockdowns lasting for years
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02/03/2021 13:56:38 18 10
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I love these amazingly insightful comments like no-one thought "Hm, maybe we shouldn't be doing this forever". It's the balance that is important instead of "let it go wild and kill who it will.".

If you have any practical suggestions to implement, feel free to contact No 10. Otherwise, stop passing on your primary school levels of insight like it's some amazing revolutionary thought.
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02/03/2021 13:58:15 16 18
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Sunak should ?Implement laws to prevent tax evasion to help save Britain’s economy. ?
?Oh wait. ?
?Him, his wife, and their Tory mates are the culprits?
?Over £400billion a year is denied to Britain by tax dodgers ?
Tory Traitors
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02/03/2021 13:59:54 7 8
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Totally agree, if we didn't keep paying furlogh to these people who were working before Covid restrictions came in they could have been dead by now. That would have been cheaper and reduced unemployment numbers as those without jobs would then have to get one to pay for the funerals of their dead relatives. This namby pamby prioritising of lives over money has got to stop
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02/03/2021 14:30:22 13 8
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How can we “learn to live with it” when a significant minority still refuse to take basic precautions such as wearing masks in enclosed public spaces? You overestimate the adaptability of our stupidest people.
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02/03/2021 14:51:16 4 6
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For nasty read deadly
Four Louth is to help businesses shut down to protect the population
You and others are delusional
You don’t live with a virus that kills millions
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02/03/2021 12:53:33 18 6
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Times are hard and this approach is welcome but the payback will be huge when it comes. Mind you, with no GE until 2014 and a useless opposition party, the government can pretty much do what it wants.
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02/03/2021 12:58:08 4 2
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I thought it was 2024 for the next GE or will that be a retrospective one
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02/03/2021 13:08:00 4 3
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I many people wish there could be a retrospective election!
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02/03/2021 12:54:39 35 18
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Apparently the Tories not only found labours magic money tree but found their own forest of them. I don't think any tory supporter can attack labours spending plans anymore given the amount the tories have wasted under Boris
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02/03/2021 12:58:09 15 5
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By 'wasted' you mean 'Gifted to their friends and donors'?

Yeah, thought so.
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02/03/2021 12:50:33 231 38
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If any lessons had been learnt from the 6 other pandemics in the last century, so much of this chaos & damage could have been avoided, jobs/companies could have been saved, and we could avoid adding £billions more debt onto our kids.

As the saying goes "the only thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history"
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02/03/2021 12:58:16 14 53
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How about we spend the money on free testing at airports instead. That way we can abolish these ridiculous travel restrictions and get all the borders open.

Money better spent in the long term as millions of travel sector workers can go back to work instead of being furloughed.
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02/03/2021 13:15:38 44 13
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There is almost nothing 'vital' about all the air travel - it is just not necessary.
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02/03/2021 13:59:53 12 6
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International travel is what caused the pandemic.
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02/03/2021 12:50:34 37 26
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Where on earth is this unending pot of money coming from? the best way to save the economy and jobs is to end the lockdown. The vaccine is working. Hospitalisations have plummeted. The government continue to extend this as they don’t want to face the inevitable music.
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VoR
02/03/2021 12:58:23 8 4
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Hospitalisations have plummeted... During lockdown. Need a bit more vaccination first before it more than makes up for lockdown removal.
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02/03/2021 12:52:16 93 31
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It is common sense to extend the furlough scheme to the end of July which is the expected end vaccination program for people who are 30+.

Keeping it at 80% of pay however is another issue altogether.
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02/03/2021 12:58:57 64 2
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The scheme has been a life saver for so many, but then there are many companies using it so save money.

You can't have a rule to separate them so you either pay and give some away or you create more job losses.
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02/03/2021 13:17:56 2 12
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More job losses please
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02/03/2021 14:05:08 4 4
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Meanwhile plenty of others he's left to rot.

BBC on sunday:
40% have got richer 60% have got poorer.

Still think the Government have done a great job?
If you do you are clearly in the minority described above.
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02/03/2021 12:50:34 37 26
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Where on earth is this unending pot of money coming from? the best way to save the economy and jobs is to end the lockdown. The vaccine is working. Hospitalisations have plummeted. The government continue to extend this as they don’t want to face the inevitable music.
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02/03/2021 12:59:04 2 2
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Us in the long term. Who else is going to pay it? It always the same Labour bail out the banks we paid for it in cuts.
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02/03/2021 13:56:48 1 1
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If the banks hadn’t been bailed out what do you think might have happened ?

Let’s not forget most bankers are tories elitests
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02/03/2021 12:59:11 21 18
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Moe furlough ...... meanwhile 18m of scraps for kid whose education has been massively disrupted. Just re-open the economy and let's get on and managed.
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02/03/2021 13:15:23 5 4
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By reopen the economy, do you mean that everyone should return to offices and all businesses open? What restrictions, in terms of individual protection, are you proposing? Social distancing must be dropped, or cafes, restaurants, pubs etc. can’t operate at economic levels. What you're suggesting is that with some hope in sight, we simply risk any benefits lockdown has provided.
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02/03/2021 12:59:38 279 31
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While no one will deny that the furlough scheme was a good and necessary decision, especially early in the pandemic, it has been widely abused and needs to be rethought in a better and more targeted way.
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02/03/2021 13:16:00 23 138
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What has it actually done?
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02/03/2021 13:23:37 21 29
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Should have just used UC, would be tough for a while but less fraud. We'll run businesses would have survived or come back after the pandemic, poor ones would fail and be replaced if there is a real need for them.

Fear the way we've supported business is setting us up for a boom and bust especially if businesses pocket the vat cut and increase prices sharply when it's removed.
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mc
02/03/2021 13:17:14 26 18
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pubs will be packed as furlough fraud was rife in first lockdown and no doubt still is, go into any pub when open and listen to the gloaters
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02/03/2021 13:30:10 12 8
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YES LIKE SAY THE DOLE! LIKE THE REST OF PEOPLE GOT!!
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02/03/2021 12:54:34 79 5
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IWe're all going to pay for this. Starting with council tax, rises of 5% from April where I live
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02/03/2021 12:59:39 52 17
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But we get such good value for money. Ha ha!!
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02/03/2021 12:55:27 18 3
bbc
No GE until 2014?????
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02/03/2021 12:59:44 9 1
bbc
D”oh! Only 10 years out! Sorry!
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02/03/2021 13:00:05 37 22
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Our children and grandchildren will be paying off what the Government have gifted to their donors and chums.

What I dont understand is why so many Brits are cheering on blatant corruption and cronyism?

Can anyone pinpoint the moment the British public lost their collective backbone?
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02/03/2021 13:19:52 12 8
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That would be the last GE when traditional anti Tory supporters provided them with all the power they ever wanted in the name of Brexit at all costs. Well, this is one of the costs, allowing the Tories to do what they have always done, corruption and cronyism.
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02/03/2021 13:05:07 2 6
bbc
I can pinpoint fact free, politically motivated nonsense & your claims are it.

It seems to be beyond comprehension by the far left that successful businesses are almost invariably owned & run by conservatives, because conservatives make good businessmen (& women).
Socialism by its nature destroys the environment needed for businesses to succeed, so why support it?
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02/03/2021 13:07:52 1 1
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Around about the same time that Facebook took off...
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02/03/2021 13:50:57 2 3
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AT the Brexit referendum when 17.4m were hoodwinked into backing the enemy of everything that it means to be British and instead voted for what amounts to Fascism and everything this country has proudly stood against for 1000 years
02/03/2021 17:30:02 1 0
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I agree. Maybe 2016.That seems to be the point when everything including blatant lies became acceptable.
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02/03/2021 13:00:07 10 16
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Where’s Captain Hindsight on this? Strangely quiet..
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CH
02/03/2021 13:07:00 7 4
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You obviously missed it but "Captain Hindsight" set out the Labour position on furlough last year and they would only target those that need the money instead of throwing it at everybody Tory style.

Strangely you lot seem to think that throwing money at anybody and everybody is more fiscally prudent than supporting only those that need it eh Captain Uninformed.
Deflector time again I see. Keep using that balloon to comb your hair just like Bozo and leave the rest of us alone Removed
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Amy
02/03/2021 13:11:25 1 1
bbc
He got a moniker "FFC2"
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02/03/2021 12:57:03 101 34
bbc
So any Con MP who votes against budget could be expelled from parliamentary party.So why are they there if BJ and the pirates won’t allow them freedom of speech and opinions.
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02/03/2021 13:00:24 107 10
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It's called politics and I certainly don't agree the way our system works.
Each MP should be working for his constituents not on a party line.
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02/03/2021 13:16:50 4 4
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Didn't happen under Labour either. Some of my former local Labour MP's needed a map to find the area.
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02/03/2021 13:55:44 4 1
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So change the system.
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02/03/2021 14:17:47 3 5
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'Each MP should be working for his constituents not on a party line.'

The MP was elected by those constituents, and the vast majority will have voted along party lines, and in the expectation that the MP will follow their party line. So I'm not quite sure what your point is - don't have elections for MPs, perhaps?
02/03/2021 17:17:45 1 1
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Totally agree. Wish more MPs would not follow like sheep into lobby.
02/03/2021 17:34:02 2 0
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Great, so the shoutiest MP wins. They should be aiming for the best overall result. You have to have a policy.
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02/03/2021 12:50:34 37 26
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Where on earth is this unending pot of money coming from? the best way to save the economy and jobs is to end the lockdown. The vaccine is working. Hospitalisations have plummeted. The government continue to extend this as they don’t want to face the inevitable music.
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02/03/2021 13:00:33 5 2
bbc
We the people are going to pay for it and the poor whose services are going to be cut again.
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02/03/2021 12:54:26 7 21
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I think this is a precursor to extending lockdown. If I had to hazard a guess, and this is a guess not a desire, I can see lockdown being extended to the autumn with the justification being the new variants. I do hope not but the Government knows such a move would be supported by most people.
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02/03/2021 13:00:54 2 1
bbc
I spoke to a festival organiser at the weekend who hosts a large music festival in September, he said the same. All festivals after 21st June are still advertising tickets for 2021 but they are fully expecting extensions to the restrictions.
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02/03/2021 13:03:19 0 1
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As I said I'm hope I'm wrong but O fear long term lockdown as the Government know it has strong support both inside Parliament andbin the public at large.
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02/03/2021 13:00:56 12 16
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Well that Brexit dividend the red bus with 300 million will come in handy just about now, and 10 new hospitals and 50,000 new nurses. Johnson lie ability ten out of ten
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alf
02/03/2021 13:02:06 9 13
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Bexit is history - let it go and stick the the point in question.
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Amy
02/03/2021 13:10:59 0 1
bbc
Boring. Move on.
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02/03/2021 13:00:56 5 4
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At least it will enable HYS to have plenty of comments
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02/03/2021 13:03:44 3 2
bbc
And the usual bile posted....
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Amy
02/03/2021 13:10:31 1 1
bbc
Hole in one.
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02/03/2021 12:54:39 35 18
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Apparently the Tories not only found labours magic money tree but found their own forest of them. I don't think any tory supporter can attack labours spending plans anymore given the amount the tories have wasted under Boris
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02/03/2021 13:01:05 6 15
bbc
You got to be joking a Labour government always spends more then more again. Once they leave office they blame the Tories for the cuts in public money we have to have to repay Labour debts
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CH
02/03/2021 13:11:29 7 2
bbc
Typically the Tories under fund public services so when Labour get into power they borrow more to make up the shortfall, the Tories get back in and public spending is reduced...it's a never ending circle.
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02/03/2021 13:28:01 1 1
bbc
Common misconception, not supported by the facts, just Con propaganda. This from a lifelong Con voter until Johnson appeared on the scene.
Absolute joke!!!

Lazy people sat on their arse for a bit longer while the rest of us pay for it!!!

Turn off Netflix, put the crisps down and get back to work!!!

Bunch of dole dosers!!!
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02/03/2021 13:01:05 4 2
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Nobody chose this.
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02/03/2021 13:04:49 0 4
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Ye no one putting up a fight to end it either!!!
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02/03/2021 13:01:09 65 7
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Hopefully a targeted approach to help for businesses will be used.

Amazon & similar have prospered, they should somehow be made to help pay for the recovery.

Hospitality industry and tourism have suffered, but not all equally. Takeaways have continued to trade so shouldn't be helped, whereas suppliers to restaurants/bars/hotels have suffered but aren't necessarily classed as being in hospitality
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Amy
02/03/2021 13:10:13 28 48
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Yeah special tax on Amazon. Then Amazon can fire a bunch of people, not hire many more.

Every single person that Amazon hires is a plus for the Exchequer.
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02/03/2021 13:51:45 7 2
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Agreed, the Rich should pay more tax.

Careful, you’ll be called a Marxist with radical ideas like that
02/03/2021 17:22:09 0 0
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Do you honestly believe this Govt will raise taxes for its supporters.
02/03/2021 17:58:31 0 0
bbc
Yes, lots of hotels here doing takeaways under slightly different business name and getting closure grants.
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02/03/2021 12:54:34 79 5
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IWe're all going to pay for this. Starting with council tax, rises of 5% from April where I live
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02/03/2021 13:01:16 14 1
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It won't stop there. The next two generations will be paying for this and I bet a lot more debt too. In reality we will never clear the debt fully.
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02/03/2021 13:01:34 42 14
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The whole of the UK owes SME's and small company owners a huge amount.

A lot of SME's and small company owners have not been able to access any support at all.
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Amy
02/03/2021 13:09:08 12 21
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Many SME's have been swept away by technology.
New SME's that learn and move forward with the new economic reality will prosper.
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02/03/2021 13:10:03 12 7
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whole country owes public employees - doctors nurses teachers a lot. owes small company owners nil. the capitalist model is based on the idea that you take a risk - if it goes well you profit if it goes badly you fold. we have this weird take on it - if it goes well you profit; badly the public stuffs your coffers. banks fail - drs, nurses salaries frozen for 9 y - 30% cut in real terms.
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02/03/2021 13:22:15 7 2
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And many others have prospered biggly out of Covid (mainly on line businesses)
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02/03/2021 14:00:27 4 2
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Isnt that one of the risks of running your own business?
Or do you prefer it if the business owners take all the profits and the taxpayers accept all of their risks?
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02/03/2021 13:01:50 6 3
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We need to encourage the fast movement of money, meaning easy trading between small businesses.

That is the only way we will have a proper recovery.

Currently the barriers to entry for doing business are far too high, to start a business properly in a place like London you need to risk your life savings, it just shouldn't be that bad.

In a healthy market, rents would get cheaper at this time.
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Amy
02/03/2021 13:07:43 3 5
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How do you encourage "rents would get cheaper at this time".

You are making no economic sense mate.
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02/03/2021 13:20:03 0 2
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"to encourage the fast movement of money, meaning easy trading between small businesses"

Here's a few ways to move money really quickly:

Cash
Debit Card
Credit Card
BACS
PayM
Bank Transfer

They're all instant.

What did I miss that is currently crippling SMEs?
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02/03/2021 13:00:56 12 16
bbc
Well that Brexit dividend the red bus with 300 million will come in handy just about now, and 10 new hospitals and 50,000 new nurses. Johnson lie ability ten out of ten
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alf
02/03/2021 13:02:06 9 13
bbc
Bexit is history - let it go and stick the the point in question.
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02/03/2021 13:05:52 2 1
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I think you mean Brexit, not Bexit !
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02/03/2021 13:07:51 2 4
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Brexit is partly the reason the government are keep the country in lockdown, if we go back to normal too soon demand for goods will outstrip supply in no time. Shipping, exports, imports are in chaos and the stockpiling that happened last year is rapidly depleting.
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02/03/2021 12:56:11 203 147
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He doesn't know or care what you are going through like most rich tories he us not affected by the policies he instigates.
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02/03/2021 13:02:56 47 50
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Interesting ICC? If you are right then he is wasting our money helping people like you, who only moan about the rich Tories. I am a Tory and my dad was an insurance salesman and my wife’s dad a Miner, yet we are still Tories. Because caring Tories give back to other workers. Just because Sunak is quite wealthy he still is working for the common good
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02/03/2021 13:09:13 48 35
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Spare me the humble Tory line. The Torues worship two things, wealth and political power, for a few. If they throw ordinary oeople a few crumbs from time to time it doesn't mean they care for them. They just want to save their political lives.
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02/03/2021 13:36:44 21 14
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LOL well that has to be a joke as all the Tories ever do is suck money from the ordinary working people to line the pockets of the top 1%.
Oh they do their best hide it, like when they sell off public assets and let the ordinary folk have a few crumbs while they stuff their own pockets to overflowing, but you'd have to be pretty gullible to actually believe what you posted.
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02/03/2021 13:56:34 0 3
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Deluded
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02/03/2021 13:59:09 7 4
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'Quite wealthy. . . '
You haven't got a clue!
He owns 12 houses in London. Not in the suburds. London. I'd estimate 3-5million each.
Add his investment portfolios that he's placed into blind trusts.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's worth £100 million +.
His wife is worth £450 million.

You don't take the Chancellor's job to help people, you do it for kudos in your industry.

Re: George Osbourne.
777
02/03/2021 15:18:10 1 1
bbc
So why does Sunak continue to peddle the lie that the proposed Director's Income Support Scheme is at risk of fraud? Fact: the DISS, as it's known, is based on the net profits of a limited company, and restricted to a £50k profits cap. Accounts verified & submitted to Companies House by an accountant. Where's the fraud? Tories seemingly wish to kill the small biz.
02/03/2021 20:05:34 0 0
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Spot on
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02/03/2021 13:00:54 2 1
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I spoke to a festival organiser at the weekend who hosts a large music festival in September, he said the same. All festivals after 21st June are still advertising tickets for 2021 but they are fully expecting extensions to the restrictions.
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02/03/2021 13:03:19 0 1
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As I said I'm hope I'm wrong but O fear long term lockdown as the Government know it has strong support both inside Parliament andbin the public at large.
Absolute joke!!!

Lazy people sat on their arse for a bit longer while the rest of us pay for it!!!

Turn off Netflix, put the crisps down and get back to work!!!

Bunch of dole dosers!!!
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02/03/2021 13:03:30 5 1
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Well, that's certainly one way to look at it. However, if the government imposes a lockdown and businesses are told to shut then, it's only fair that they provide a lifeline for those affected to get through it. Otherwise, there would be chaos. Also, don't tar everyone with the same brush. There is nothing I want more than to get back to work. If there's anything left to go back too?
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02/03/2021 12:52:51 41 35
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Since when has the government known what it's talking about.

It's modus operandi is to tell people what they want to hear, not what they need to know.
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02/03/2021 13:03:32 5 2
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Yes we need to be told out this is going to be paid back we because it won't be the 650 MPs paying it back
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02/03/2021 12:57:32 3 6
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Mrs Thatcher would have had a furlough scheme.....
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02/03/2021 13:03:32 6 4
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Yes but not 80%!! ''Only give them a little and make them grateful for what they have got''
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02/03/2021 13:03:38 11 11
bbc
Scrap HS2 and we can pay for Furlough three times over!!
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Amy
02/03/2021 13:05:46 5 6
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Increase the scope of HS2 and we can have more people in gainful employment.
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02/03/2021 13:05:54 3 5
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Good point, if we didn't really need it before covid, it truly is a white elephant now.
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02/03/2021 13:07:54 2 3
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Get Amazon, Ebay, etc to pay proper tax
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02/03/2021 13:08:25 3 4
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HS2 the next white elephant
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02/03/2021 13:00:56 5 4
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At least it will enable HYS to have plenty of comments
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02/03/2021 13:03:44 3 2
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And the usual bile posted....
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02/03/2021 13:04:01 4 4
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Increased taxes are definitely needed. But how to fairly tax the biggest lockdown beneficiary of all - Amazon?
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Amy
02/03/2021 13:06:39 2 5
bbc
It is taxed. NI contributions, employee tax etc etc all come from somewhere.
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CH
02/03/2021 13:15:06 1 1
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Out tax laws need to be radically overhauled because they might have worked before the digital age but they aren't fit for purpose now.
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02/03/2021 13:17:23 2 1
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The best solution would be a wealth tax - Boris would never do that though because it would be fair to all and offer no advantages to him and his class.
Absolute joke!!!

Lazy people sat on their arse for a bit longer while the rest of us pay for it!!!

Turn off Netflix, put the crisps down and get back to work!!!

Bunch of dole dosers!!!
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02/03/2021 13:04:05 2 1
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there not signing on the dole if they are furlough you muppet
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02/03/2021 12:50:34 37 26
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Where on earth is this unending pot of money coming from? the best way to save the economy and jobs is to end the lockdown. The vaccine is working. Hospitalisations have plummeted. The government continue to extend this as they don’t want to face the inevitable music.
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Amy
02/03/2021 13:04:41 4 2
bbc
Try to read up on money supply. The government is not a cornershop. It manufacturers its own money.
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02/03/2021 13:01:05 4 2
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Nobody chose this.
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02/03/2021 13:04:49 0 4
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Ye no one putting up a fight to end it either!!!
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02/03/2021 13:25:35 0 1
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So what are you looking for? Riots and fighting in the streets? And because this is not happening people are lazy Dole dossers? What a ridiculous person you are.

As for ending it, the actual fight is being done by the scientists doling out the vaccines, which is the only way we can end it.
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02/03/2021 13:04:59 69 24
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So the government is paying the wages again.

In good times private companies make big profits and their fat cat owners trouser the cash.

In bad times private companies are effectively nationalized and tax payers pick up the bill.

But the bovine think this is a good system because the Right Wing Hate Media tells them so.
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02/03/2021 13:53:32 7 26
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At least it isnt extreme socialism where OAPS get given free tv licenses
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02/03/2021 14:48:22 9 1
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Do you really think all private companies make big profits ???

I'm fortunate to have an employer who takes a reasonable salary and a sensible dividend if we have a good year. This wise approach has allowed us to build our cash reserves to ride out the past 11 months.

Please don't tar us all with the same brush !!!
925
02/03/2021 15:57:00 3 4
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And the hate-filled lefties want to see everybody down at he same level, apart from themselves.
02/03/2021 18:22:49 1 5
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Odd, bacause most of the media is left wing hte media. The rest of your post is correct though.
02/03/2021 23:53:47 0 0
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When the government closes your business down and prevents you from making any sales I would say it was only reasonable that they foot the bill. This isn’t a “bad time”, certain businesses are not legally allowed to trade.
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02/03/2021 13:05:02 65 7
bbc
"Endangered pubs" will not be saved. Any pub premises that becomes available in any half desirable area will be snapped up for development before any half baled government scheme can save it.
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02/03/2021 13:06:35 8 6
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sounds like more social housing to me Stimpy
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02/03/2021 13:14:58 5 2
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If a pub is profitable, someone will run it as a pub. If it is not profitable then it should close and would close pandemic or not.
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02/03/2021 13:06:15 3 1
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Which was the plan all along.
778
02/03/2021 15:18:22 2 0
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Every pub will be a Wetherspoons. EEK!
02/03/2021 16:24:24 3 2
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Maybe it's time to let many pubs go to the wall. The ones that are, effectively, restaurants in a location with good trade will survive. Those that just serve beer and bar snacks will probably go. And the drinking dens in town centres (pubs and clubs) that make the towns no-go areas on Friday and Saturday evenings deserve to go.
Absolute joke!!!

Lazy people sat on their arse for a bit longer while the rest of us pay for it!!!

Turn off Netflix, put the crisps down and get back to work!!!

Bunch of dole dosers!!!
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02/03/2021 13:05:04 0 4
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Yes, you are right! And people who work will pay more taxes ??
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02/03/2021 13:03:38 11 11
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Scrap HS2 and we can pay for Furlough three times over!!
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Amy
02/03/2021 13:05:46 5 6
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Increase the scope of HS2 and we can have more people in gainful employment.
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alf
02/03/2021 13:02:06 9 13
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Bexit is history - let it go and stick the the point in question.
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02/03/2021 13:05:52 2 1
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I think you mean Brexit, not Bexit !
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alf
02/03/2021 13:10:13 0 1
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Indeed, I hadn't noticed my typo - thanks :)
57
02/03/2021 13:03:38 11 11
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Scrap HS2 and we can pay for Furlough three times over!!
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02/03/2021 13:05:54 3 5
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Good point, if we didn't really need it before covid, it truly is a white elephant now.
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02/03/2021 13:06:27 12 6
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Without effective track and trace all other measures are waste of time. Johnson sacks 100,000 frontline track and trace operatives.
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02/03/2021 13:06:32 6 8
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Keep the masses sedated eh? YEAR 2 of paying people to sit numb to it all ...

Utterly ridiculous.
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02/03/2021 13:05:02 65 7
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"Endangered pubs" will not be saved. Any pub premises that becomes available in any half desirable area will be snapped up for development before any half baled government scheme can save it.
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02/03/2021 13:06:35 8 6
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sounds like more social housing to me Stimpy
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02/03/2021 13:25:10 6 1
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Nope - many pubs are far more valuable as 'character' houses for the very wealthy. It's been happening for years.
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02/03/2021 13:52:31 4 1
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Who sold it all in the first place and never built any more of it?
02/03/2021 17:04:17 1 0
bbc
Yeah because rich property developers are so well know for building reasonably priced social housing...
02/03/2021 17:33:19 1 0
bbc
Social housing? About as likely as affordable homes.....round here developers build a token ‘affordable house’ at £300,000 allowing them to build 40+ ‘executive homes’
02/03/2021 20:00:24 1 0
bbc
Wetherspoons in Halesowen is social housing.
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02/03/2021 13:04:01 4 4
bbc
Increased taxes are definitely needed. But how to fairly tax the biggest lockdown beneficiary of all - Amazon?
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Amy
02/03/2021 13:06:39 2 5
bbc
It is taxed. NI contributions, employee tax etc etc all come from somewhere.
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02/03/2021 12:54:39 35 18
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Apparently the Tories not only found labours magic money tree but found their own forest of them. I don't think any tory supporter can attack labours spending plans anymore given the amount the tories have wasted under Boris
73
02/03/2021 13:06:47 2 4
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Waisting the money on Who? The people who else!!!
Why do we bother!!!
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02/03/2021 13:28:38 0 1
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What has body shape got to do with it?
Absolute joke!!!

Lazy people sat on their arse for a bit longer while the rest of us pay for it!!!

Turn off Netflix, put the crisps down and get back to work!!!

Bunch of dole dosers!!!
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02/03/2021 13:06:58 3 1
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Says a lot about you, I have been fortunate enough to work from home throughout, many of my colleagues not so fortunate, Most are wanting to return to work and don’t see any joy in furlough. Same bills to pay less income to do so, without the government stepping in some would be homeless.Furlough is not through choice.
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02/03/2021 13:00:07 10 16
bbc
Where’s Captain Hindsight on this? Strangely quiet..
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CH
02/03/2021 13:07:00 7 4
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You obviously missed it but "Captain Hindsight" set out the Labour position on furlough last year and they would only target those that need the money instead of throwing it at everybody Tory style.

Strangely you lot seem to think that throwing money at anybody and everybody is more fiscally prudent than supporting only those that need it eh Captain Uninformed.
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02/03/2021 13:09:17 0 4
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And of course Labour don’t waste any money and “throw it at everybody”.
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02/03/2021 12:56:11 203 147
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He doesn't know or care what you are going through like most rich tories he us not affected by the policies he instigates.
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02/03/2021 13:07:18 37 11
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Neither are rich Labour affected
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02/03/2021 13:01:50 6 3
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We need to encourage the fast movement of money, meaning easy trading between small businesses.

That is the only way we will have a proper recovery.

Currently the barriers to entry for doing business are far too high, to start a business properly in a place like London you need to risk your life savings, it just shouldn't be that bad.

In a healthy market, rents would get cheaper at this time.
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Amy
02/03/2021 13:07:43 3 5
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How do you encourage "rents would get cheaper at this time".

You are making no economic sense mate.
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02/03/2021 13:18:45 3 1
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Supply and demand, if you have a large number of empty premises with nobody to fill them, you can either let them sit empty and make a loss or reduce your asking price gradually until someone takes on the space.

There will always be someone willing to take a space for the right price.

That is economic sense, mate.
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02/03/2021 13:25:48 3 1
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Supply and demand - have you hgeard of it?
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alf
02/03/2021 13:02:06 9 13
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Bexit is history - let it go and stick the the point in question.
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02/03/2021 13:07:51 2 4
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Brexit is partly the reason the government are keep the country in lockdown, if we go back to normal too soon demand for goods will outstrip supply in no time. Shipping, exports, imports are in chaos and the stockpiling that happened last year is rapidly depleting.
57
02/03/2021 13:03:38 11 11
bbc
Scrap HS2 and we can pay for Furlough three times over!!
79
02/03/2021 13:07:54 2 3
bbc
Get Amazon, Ebay, etc to pay proper tax
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02/03/2021 13:07:59 4 4
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Extend furlough fine, but phase it out over the rest of the year and target it at the more vunerable sectors of the economy such as hospitality and the low paid.
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02/03/2021 13:17:05 3 2
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Your obviously on the Furlough scheme , phase it out over the rest of the year , very selfish attitude for the rest of us who are the key workers who get nothing !!!
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02/03/2021 12:58:08 4 2
bbc
I thought it was 2024 for the next GE or will that be a retrospective one
81
02/03/2021 13:08:00 4 3
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I many people wish there could be a retrospective election!
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02/03/2021 12:53:33 18 6
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Times are hard and this approach is welcome but the payback will be huge when it comes. Mind you, with no GE until 2014 and a useless opposition party, the government can pretty much do what it wants.
82
02/03/2021 13:08:10 5 1
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Great Scott! Did you hit 88mph and go back in time?

This is heavy
800
02/03/2021 15:23:18 0 0
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??????????????????????
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02/03/2021 12:57:19 10 11
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100% this.

The government knows the electorate are happy to be lied to.

They also know we don't care about the death rates & corruption.

Its a free for all. Cheered on by the plebs.

How did we get here?
83
02/03/2021 13:08:18 8 5
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People prefer feel-good lies. They're living in their own virtual reality. It's sad how the truth has been devalued by multi-channel media and populism.
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02/03/2021 13:00:07 10 16
bbc
Where’s Captain Hindsight on this? Strangely quiet..
Deflector time again I see. Keep using that balloon to comb your hair just like Bozo and leave the rest of us alone Removed
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02/03/2021 13:08:20 9 4
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Great, more fraud and wasted money. Not really what we need right now.
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02/03/2021 12:58:03 34 8
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Wow! That'll be over a year some people have got help, it's been amazing for them and of course everyone is glad it's there to help keep everything afloat. Keep an eye on those still working, though.

I decided to quit my job at Xmas due to mental strain brought on whilst my team was furloughed. Now I don't earn a penny.

Strange old world. Fingers crossed we can all get back to some normality.
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02/03/2021 13:08:21 16 17
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Should've went on the sick mate...
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02/03/2021 13:14:44 7 4
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True, just not in my nature to do that. Would love a month or two of furlough right about now.
57
02/03/2021 13:03:38 11 11
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Scrap HS2 and we can pay for Furlough three times over!!
87
02/03/2021 13:08:25 3 4
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HS2 the next white elephant
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02/03/2021 13:08:33 13 2
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On and on it goes.

Money, money, money, always funny, within Rishi's world.
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02/03/2021 13:08:34 8 5
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If he punishes my business with corporation tax of 25% then I'll close the business and restart as a sole trader. I have had ZERO help through this car crash and it looks like i'm going to be the first Rishi plans to attack.
126
02/03/2021 13:14:00 5 2
bbc
Maybe a career as tack and trace consultant awaits? £400,000 work from home
127
02/03/2021 13:14:00 3 1
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That seems to be the way with all this. If you don't qualify for help for whatever reason it seems to put a target on your back when it comes to paying it back.
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02/03/2021 13:16:02 1 3
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It sounds like you are gaming the system and should be trading as a sole trader anyway. I wont lose any sleep over your plight.
90
02/03/2021 13:08:35 1 3
bbc
Furlough wow just extend indefinitely that’s the way to not loss jobs... very clever
91
02/03/2021 13:08:49 3 7
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People need to stop demonising furlough as akin to benefits culture.
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02/03/2021 13:11:56 2 4
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who pays for this? no increase tax? just freeze salaries of drs, nurses, teachers, other public sector workers for next 25 years
133
02/03/2021 13:14:53 2 2
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Why? Because it is worse than being on benefits? Benefits claimants are, at least, honestly unemployed.

'Free markets' don't support co's. Their greedy little extended hands make me sick.
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02/03/2021 13:41:56 1 1
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Why? - its like benefit culture on steroids with the furloughed louts pumping out sounds all day round here
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02/03/2021 13:01:34 42 14
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The whole of the UK owes SME's and small company owners a huge amount.

A lot of SME's and small company owners have not been able to access any support at all.
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Amy
02/03/2021 13:09:08 12 21
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Many SME's have been swept away by technology.
New SME's that learn and move forward with the new economic reality will prosper.
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02/03/2021 13:02:56 47 50
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Interesting ICC? If you are right then he is wasting our money helping people like you, who only moan about the rich Tories. I am a Tory and my dad was an insurance salesman and my wife’s dad a Miner, yet we are still Tories. Because caring Tories give back to other workers. Just because Sunak is quite wealthy he still is working for the common good
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02/03/2021 13:09:13 48 35
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Spare me the humble Tory line. The Torues worship two things, wealth and political power, for a few. If they throw ordinary oeople a few crumbs from time to time it doesn't mean they care for them. They just want to save their political lives.
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02/03/2021 13:14:23 37 17
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If it's only Tories who "worship wealth and power", why do we constantly see stories about the power struggles in the SNP, for example, or Labour MPs with their snouts in the trough?

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02/03/2021 14:24:51 3 2
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You keep believing that if it makes you happy. Of course what you call happiness is what most other people would call bitterness.

You talk about wealth and power, well, union leaders constantly show that they LOVE both and will do anything to keep them.
02/03/2021 20:06:03 0 0
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Move
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02/03/2021 12:49:43 23 10
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"Business support including furlough and the VAT cut for hospitality firms will continue "while lockdown persists""

Is this all hospitality firms as not all had to lock down fully? Takeaways and anything with an online focus will have been operating as normal and therefore should not need to avail of either of these
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02/03/2021 13:09:17 5 3
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Hospitality includes pubs, restaurants who make most money with people eating in (and buying say marked up wine not so in takeaway) , hotels, nightclubs etc
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CH
02/03/2021 13:07:00 7 4
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You obviously missed it but "Captain Hindsight" set out the Labour position on furlough last year and they would only target those that need the money instead of throwing it at everybody Tory style.

Strangely you lot seem to think that throwing money at anybody and everybody is more fiscally prudent than supporting only those that need it eh Captain Uninformed.
95
02/03/2021 13:09:17 0 4
bbc
And of course Labour don’t waste any money and “throw it at everybody”.
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02/03/2021 13:09:22 3 8
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Plus the 8-10% GDP fall because of Brexit.
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02/03/2021 12:56:44 177 61
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This argument only applies to the west as most countries in the east handled the pandemic well.

There was social distancing and mask wearing for the spanish flu and yet we were more reluctant to do the same thing 100 years later because of some public paranoias over control.
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02/03/2021 13:09:24 29 18
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Ironic you should call it paranoia in response to someone commenting about the reluctance to learn from history.

This whole lockdown idea was borrowed from China yet I doubt we'd all be queuing up to live under their regime full time.
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02/03/2021 13:19:51 24 6
bbc
Samuel Pepys' diary literally talks about being locked down during the plague. Presumably that wasn't borrowed from China?
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Amy
02/03/2021 13:20:13 21 5
bbc
"borrowed from China"

Have you heard of the Plague? The village of Eyam by any chance?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-35064071
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02/03/2021 13:46:51 15 3
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What inane rubbish, or when you hear "east" can you only think of china and ignore the rest over there?

No I wouldn't want to live under Chinas oppressionist regime, what I want is some competence within our own government but of course you immediately assume the extremes with my comment to fuel your faux outrage.

Grow up
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02/03/2021 13:58:57 14 2
bbc
Quarantine was introduced during the Great Plague. Quarantine is actually 40 days. in those days, if somebody in your house had it, you were all locked in; your door was nailed shut, from the outside. Some people, here, couldn't even manage 5 days!
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xlr
02/03/2021 14:10:25 12 5
bbc
Maybe so but if this were a pandemic of something deadlier - ebola or Marburg fever for example - the British army would be out shooting curfew-breakers on the street, democracy or no democracy.

At some point even civil rights need to give way to pubic health.
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sw
02/03/2021 15:01:39 4 2
bbc
During the Black Death, infected people were locked into their homes to either live or die.
Absolute joke!!!

Lazy people sat on their arse for a bit longer while the rest of us pay for it!!!

Turn off Netflix, put the crisps down and get back to work!!!

Bunch of dole dosers!!!
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02/03/2021 13:09:37 3 1
bbc
Furlough saved my life. I'd have starved without it. I've never been on benefits and never claimed a penny until the furlough scheme started in march. I am now working again thankfully. Just because people are bar staff or hotel workers doesn't mean they have no work ethic. I was desperate to get back to work.
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02/03/2021 13:01:34 42 14
bbc
The whole of the UK owes SME's and small company owners a huge amount.

A lot of SME's and small company owners have not been able to access any support at all.
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02/03/2021 13:10:03 12 7
bbc
whole country owes public employees - doctors nurses teachers a lot. owes small company owners nil. the capitalist model is based on the idea that you take a risk - if it goes well you profit if it goes badly you fold. we have this weird take on it - if it goes well you profit; badly the public stuffs your coffers. banks fail - drs, nurses salaries frozen for 9 y - 30% cut in real terms.
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02/03/2021 13:05:52 2 1
bbc
I think you mean Brexit, not Bexit !
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alf
02/03/2021 13:10:13 0 1
bbc
Indeed, I hadn't noticed my typo - thanks :)