England must accept ref calls - Jones
27/02/2021 | sport | rugbyunion | 1,691
England's coach and captain both refuse to lay blame on defeat by Wales on two controversial refereeing calls.
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27/02/2021 22:47:05 2 5
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vive la EU peut-etre?
Since both the Welsh and the English voted to leave I’m not sure who the frogs were taking revenge on? Removed
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27/02/2021 22:47:54 76 11
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All through the 6 nations its been way too many penalties from England. Time for Eddie to have a rest now.
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28/02/2021 00:55:48 91 101
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Watch it again! The ref walks fully 5 - 10 yards towards England/Farrell, with both arms in the air making a T shaped gesture, before walking back to the mark. Dan Biggar was alert and asked the ref to tell him when it was time. That Farrell chose to arrogantly ignore/ blank the ref, is Farrell's mistake. When the ref called time, play Biggar could quite legitimately play the ball. He did.
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27/02/2021 22:48:21 209 6
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I can't believe whoever gave that interview to both Farrell pre and post match as well as Eddie. Just trying to stir the pot. No class at all. Well done Wales.
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27/02/2021 23:06:59 167 8
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Yep...an all-round poor show from the BBC interviewer. I thought the pundits were OK though
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28/02/2021 01:47:58 8 4
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How Farrell is an English international player & even more so an English international captain is unbelievable . He is keeping very good players out of the side .
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GR
27/02/2021 22:48:50 68 26
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Wales took their chances. Debate all weekend and into next week but the result stands and the history books will show that Wales won.
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27/02/2021 22:59:15 76 135
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Well your going to say that aren’t you, all the other nations are against England including the Refs. To quick to give penalties against England but not very quick to give them for England. Wakes first try was appalling and I would like to think that England would not have took advantage like the welsh did. Small nation small mind mentality, big chip on shoulder
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27/02/2021 23:00:01 11 9
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We're just double checking your sanity.
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27/02/2021 23:34:21 6 3
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By that logic, there's no point having a comment section on any aspect of any game really is there?
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28/02/2021 02:49:39 7 2
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The ref was rubbish. England were rubbish. Wales played the referee and the rubbish that was in front of them.

England got back to level pegging because Wales took their foot of the gas. Then they had the ability once they had been pulled back to put their foot back on the gas.

Non playing second tier English rugby players showing what they really were last night second tier not test players.
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28/02/2021 04:52:44 3 9
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Wales might have won, but like Henry Tudor, they couldn't have done it without French help.
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28/02/2021 08:10:51 0 1
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27/02/2021 22:50:02 8 9
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Ok ok, we will concede the 2 tries. Just a 26-24 win then...
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27/02/2021 22:52:27 6 4
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If the Adams try hadn’t been allowed Wales would have a certain three points from the penalty.
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27/02/2021 22:54:31 3 9
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Close, but every point was given to Wales by a biased referee
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27/02/2021 23:03:24 1 4
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Nobody is taking into account of how much guts it took, and strength in the face of adversity, for the English team to get back to 24-24...
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27/02/2021 23:15:21 3 3
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But if the tries hadn't been awarded, Wales would have kicked 2 penalties- 32-24.
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27/02/2021 22:50:17 8 5
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Who says the BeeB can't sense a common feeling.

Just go, Eddie go

Head held high btw
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27/02/2021 22:50:35 3 10
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Two non-tries, missed kicks, inevitable indiscipline and players with no minutes under them yet England still managed to put out a decent score away from home. Either way it's time for Eddie to go.
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27/02/2021 23:22:51 0 1
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Wow! How many did Wales score Cyclops?
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Gaz
27/02/2021 22:50:51 81 16
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Englands indiscipline cost them the game and they conceded 4 tries too. Move on now.
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27/02/2021 22:58:23 83 44
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Indiscipline? Offside by 2 mm for one team; 5 yards allowed for the other.
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27/02/2021 23:02:55 7 10
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Nobody is taking into account of how much guts it took, and strength in the face of adversity, for the English team to get back to 24-24...
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MJ
27/02/2021 22:50:56 122 16
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Wales were the better team today, but the refereeing was inexplicable.
The referees in both games were poor.
I think When England attacked they pissed all over the Welsh Removed
Hahahahhahahahahahq, watch a game of rugby you moron. France were the better team and Wales won. Removed
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28/02/2021 04:11:35 2 6
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What game were you watching? Firstly England were having to catch up 14 points that were dubious to say the least and then had to play catch-up. If they hadn't have had to have done that, they would have been 5 points to the good with 5 mins left, rather than 9 points down and having to throw the risky passes that led to Wales's last score.
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27/02/2021 22:51:05 160 36
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Why were the water bottle carriers on? Farrell was supposed to be having a word after England had conceded a penalty. It wasn’t a rest stop
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27/02/2021 22:53:51 121 54
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Exactly. He was meant to be passing through n the ref’s warning, not having a team meeting.
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27/02/2021 22:54:36 13 16
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Having a word after farrell himself had conceded the penalty- ref was telling him to have a word with himself????
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27/02/2021 22:58:39 29 3
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Although the ref called 'time off' it was still a penalty and water carriers are not allowed on at a penalty, I know cos I am one.
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27/02/2021 23:04:52 26 5
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Agreed. There’re far too many hangers on, on the pitch these days. And they’re mainly wired-up members of the coaching staff too, masquerading as medics.
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27/02/2021 23:44:31 23 4
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The water carriers technically have to receive permission from the ref to come onto the field. Did they? No.
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28/02/2021 00:28:09 16 6
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Referee had called time off but I will say that Farrell and England rub referees up the wrong way and it costs them games.
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28/02/2021 07:10:21 2 2
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Exactly !
28/02/2021 08:53:07 3 1
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Agree about the water carriers coming on every time the ref blows his whistle. But the ref clearly told Farrell to go and talk to his players about a series of infringements. Then he did not give them time to do so and reset.
One has to credit Wales for being far more worldly wise than England, who need a new captain.
Gaz
28/02/2021 08:54:05 2 1
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From an England fan you are correct! We are way too ill-disciplined and nowhere near switched-on enough. Common problems continue to hamper any progress but because we won a meaningless autumn tournament and beat NZ a year and a half ago it's carry on regardless! Changes are desperately needed but won't happen
28/02/2021 09:11:42 2 1
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Perhaps Farrell was asking for the Powerpoint to be set up?
28/02/2021 09:45:40 0 1
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Couldn't agree more. There is no need to have a tee break - shout the orders and get ready for a tap penalty. Especially as there wasn't any crowd noise.
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27/02/2021 22:51:34 5 7
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No problem. Rugby rules impossible to understand - and football catching up with armpits now eligible for being off-side.
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27/02/2021 22:51:35 128 37
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Decision 1: by the letter of the law, a try, but a clear mismanagement of the game by the referee.

Decision 2: the ball is lost forward, then bounces off the hip and goes backwards. The laws state 'when a player loses control of the ball and it goes forward' and both conditions were met in this instance. It was a knock-on.
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27/02/2021 23:02:15 62 64
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Oh never mind, it was only England, would be uproar if it happened to the smaller insignificant teams
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27/02/2021 23:12:38 13 6
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It cannot be a knock on unless the ball either
a) hits the ground or
b) another player
It did neither, if Rees-Zammit's leg.
I remember Mark Ring scoring a try when he dropped the ball, hit it with his knee, and picked up to score.
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27/02/2021 23:14:10 20 7
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Stop cherry-picking the knock-on law... it goes on to say "and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.".

The ball was lost onto the player's own leg first and got knocked back straight onto en England player, hence NO knock-on.
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27/02/2021 23:17:15 13 6
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The TMO didn't agree with your opinion that the ball went forwards....?? ball went back...."you may award the try! ??
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27/02/2021 23:34:19 9 7
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No the law states if the ball goes forward and hits the floor or another player. It didn’t. It went backwards to a England player who hit it towards his own try line
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27/02/2021 23:35:43 7 8
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England fans are actually upset by the “knock on” because it was a bit of jammy luck provided by their own teams incompetence
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27/02/2021 23:54:50 2 2
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On decision 1, I agree. Interesting. Just seen MOTD where the referee allowed a player to take a quick free kick and then changed his mind just before the ball hit the net. Everyone including me thought it should stand. Perhaps we needed the football ref in the rugby and the rugby ref in the football lol
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28/02/2021 00:34:46 1 5
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Oh no. Suggest you read the law a bit more carefully before you start quoting it. Good try. One of the better decisions made by the ref and the TMO
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28/02/2021 00:50:39 2 4
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You’ve cherry picked part of the law - the ball had to hit the ground or an opponent for it to be a knock on. This is why the TMO’s who know far more that you or me, gave the try. Suck it up
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28/02/2021 04:20:48 2 1
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You are right on decision 1, but the referee did not allow any time for Farrell to talk to his players and for them to get back into position. The referee was seriously at fault not warning England that time was back on.
28/02/2021 09:28:54 1 1
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Im Welsh but I agree, 1st 30 secs have passed England are having a mothers meeting and a simple tighten up guys too many pens. 2nd if thats a try then my understanding of the rules is completely out of date lol. A simple straightforward knock on. No control.
28/02/2021 11:06:15 0 1
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I think the opposite decision one was not a try.Decision two was correct.ZW knocked it backwards off his thigh,then Ford knocked it forward.Clear try.
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27/02/2021 22:51:48 13 21
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Stupid HYS, all the Wales points were given to them by a French biased referee
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27/02/2021 22:58:42 11 4
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Really? Not English indiscipline then?
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27/02/2021 23:04:54 1 1
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Ha ha ha. Hic hic ??????
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27/02/2021 23:16:19 2 1
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Wrong, the points were taken off a team that conceded soft penalties and decided to switch off at key times.....

.....England defence coach Jon Mitchell was sacked by England and NZ for being pants at his job, then re-hired by Eddie..... comedy gold
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Al
27/02/2021 22:52:12 2 2
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As an England football fan now it’s all about the Euros while the rugby team has a reset
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27/02/2021 22:50:02 8 9
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Ok ok, we will concede the 2 tries. Just a 26-24 win then...
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27/02/2021 22:52:27 6 4
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If the Adams try hadn’t been allowed Wales would have a certain three points from the penalty.
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27/02/2021 22:52:44 382 47
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Being Welsh, if those same decisions were made against us then we’d be fuming just as much as the English. However I still feel we did enough to win the game despite that.
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27/02/2021 23:00:54 158 390
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You did nothing to win the game... you got two tries that should never have been and then in the second half we gave you penalty after penalty. England lost that game more than Wales won it!
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27/02/2021 23:13:08 51 15
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Wales looked fitter and better coached today, much more composed and better led on the pitch than the opposition....

....Farrell and Itoje are usually touted on here as dead cert Lions captains, today showed neither has 2 brain cells to rub together
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27/02/2021 23:29:17 19 7
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Just enjoy the moment we’ve had our fair share of harsh decisions. Swings and roundabouts
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27/02/2021 23:46:04 3 22
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Not really he stopped England playing he refereed Maro out of the game,ignored a lot of infringements buy Wales and ruined what should have been a good game,hope he’s kicked of the referees panel.
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27/02/2021 22:52:51 3 3
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Dog and wife won't be able to eat after the fine.
Yeah, sure man.
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27/02/2021 22:53:19 316 73
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The knock on law is clear. That try WAS the result of a clear knock on. And as for telling players one thing then allowing play to continue...
The referee was a disgrace and should never officiate another match.
And that's from Scotland.
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27/02/2021 22:57:58 106 239
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Nearly 30 seconds passed between the award of the penalty and play starting again. Plenty of time to pass on the ref’s warning.
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27/02/2021 22:58:59 31 42
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Farrell was ask to have a word with his team mate, not to give a speech! It was approximately 21 seconds from the time the ref ask the Eng. Captain to have a word to resuming the game. How long does it take for someone to say "come on lads, keep focused, and stop given silly penalties away!
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27/02/2021 23:09:06 28 15
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How’s about England turn and face when a penalty is awarded, twice they were caught napping......

.....Wales scored the same try 2 years ago v Eng in RWC warm up..... don’t the English coaching team, analysts and players study these things ?

...Pivac obviously does, as does Dan Biggar
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27/02/2021 23:12:46 4 1
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A bit like Craig Joubert then ?
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27/02/2021 23:32:24 23 24
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Knock is if it hits the ground or another player. It didn’t, it went backwards off his leg and the England player hit it backwards towards his own territory
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27/02/2021 23:42:09 17 22
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It was not a knock on. Read the rule above. None of those things happened. So you are talking out of your sporran.
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28/02/2021 00:14:44 7 4
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Agree that the ref was woeful and should never be in charge of another international. The worst of it was the inconsistent decisions and not giving teams a chance to play.For example spent an age on Curries high tackle and never even spoke to William's on his near straight arm tackle when England scored.However you've got to play to the ref on the pitch,Wales done that.Congrats on Triple Crown.
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28/02/2021 00:18:55 4 2
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All I’ll say about it is that the same referee did virtually the same thing in the World Cup warm up match when Biggar combined with North from a controversial start.He is inept butwe should have known that from previous experience.He is more biased against England than Walsh and Kaplan,minded you we’ve still got tmo Marius to come.
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28/02/2021 00:28:58 1 2
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Not this part of Scotland, just saying!
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28/02/2021 00:39:42 2 1
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I agree with the bit about the knock on Law being clear. The rest of your statement is clearly incorrect. Read the Law.
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28/02/2021 00:39:58 1 2
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Serious question as the rules have changed since I played and I wasn't invited to any of the refs briefings. Player fumbles the ball it bounces backwards off the BACK of his calf - has that ball gone forward ?
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28/02/2021 08:03:29 1 1
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After going forwards the ball went backwards before it touched another player or the ground... how is that a clear knock on?
28/02/2021 08:55:04 0 1
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Scotland like Ireland are very bitter towards Welsh success, it never used to be like that!!!
28/02/2021 09:06:50 1 1
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It’s 50/50. They didn’t need to form a big huddle and bring water carriers on. Shouldn’t be allowed to bring water carriers on to take the advantage away from the attacking team. Maybe don’t concede Constant penalties would help. And learn how to defend legally
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28/02/2021 09:32:01 1 1
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The ball has to go forward and hit the ground or another player as per the law, it didn't....
28/02/2021 09:42:38 0 1
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add the French TMO to that list as well
28/02/2021 09:42:43 0 1
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Nonsense. You should read the rules again. For it to be a knock on it needs to go forward and hit either another player or the ground.
28/02/2021 09:52:29 0 1
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Wrong on the knock on. Read the Laws.
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27/02/2021 22:51:05 160 36
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Why were the water bottle carriers on? Farrell was supposed to be having a word after England had conceded a penalty. It wasn’t a rest stop
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27/02/2021 22:53:51 121 54
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Exactly. He was meant to be passing through n the ref’s warning, not having a team meeting.
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28/02/2021 00:22:52 3 6
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Irrelevant. The laws are clear.
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28/02/2021 00:34:27 12 24
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Referee wanted him to talk to his players so that meant calling the players together and both sides had the water guys on in fact Biggar kicked the ball over the head of one of the Welsh water guys,It’s called gamesmanship just not in the spirit of the game,but it is Wales.
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28/02/2021 04:22:27 5 5
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How the hell does he pass on the ref's warning without telling them? Maybe you are telepathic, but I doubt Owen Farrell is.
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28/02/2021 08:11:38 6 1
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stupid comment, had no time to gather the team, discuss, reset. Well done Wales, but the ref was so poor to almost believe he was biased
28/02/2021 10:47:23 1 1
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He was told to talk to his team and did so. Even if the bonkers officiating was actually down to honest mistakes being made, the ref and TMO should still face charges for bringing the game into disrepute- at best, their actions were impossible to distinguish from cheating. Enjoy your triple crown- it's made of tin.
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27/02/2021 22:54:12 93 18
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Blatantly obviously the frenchman was having fun with his decisions. What ever the case, Wales deserved to win and its now time for Eddie to move over.
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27/02/2021 23:04:07 67 22
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Going by his banter with Farr egg l that French Ref come across as a horrible man and dare I say it, French
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27/02/2021 23:32:57 5 15
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Of course he was he is french. They always put to get us. Just like final with South Africa!
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LH
28/02/2021 00:48:39 4 13
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Well, perhaps the French Ref is UNHAPPY with his own country's VERY POOR showing on the roll out of the Covid vaccine, as opposed to UK's!!!
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27/02/2021 22:54:29 307 53
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Nigel Owens says both tries shouldn't have been awarded.

End of argument.
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GR
27/02/2021 22:55:43 69 323
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Who cares what he thinks. He's not an international ref
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27/02/2021 23:00:18 14 23
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29-24 to Wales then, given that the first try would instead be 3 points to Wales.
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27/02/2021 23:06:50 18 6
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He also said Tuilagi’s red card last year was correct but you all slated him for that..... make yer minds up
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27/02/2021 23:20:40 12 3
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He also said three of englands tries against italy Italy should not have been given.
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wcb
27/02/2021 23:27:30 14 21
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40-24 end of argument
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27/02/2021 23:30:31 22 10
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All of a sudden the English fans are jumping to a retired Welsh ref for validation
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27/02/2021 23:38:36 1 3
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Not end of, just his opinion.
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27/02/2021 23:40:07 6 11
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Then Nigel Owens is talking out of his backside. The law is quite clear as stated above. It was not a knock on.
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27/02/2021 23:53:25 2 10
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Of course he would say that. The man is an RFU puppet.
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28/02/2021 00:00:50 7 6
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And we still would have won?????? wipe your eyes!!??????
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ian
28/02/2021 00:16:38 2 3
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When bigger kicked the ball to the corner, Jonny may was covering his wing. It wad ej playing a full back at wing which caused the problem
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28/02/2021 00:18:40 0 1
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Well they were. Unlucky pal.
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28/02/2021 00:52:31 2 6
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And the problem with Rugby referees is the size of their ego and Owen is the biggest culprit
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Rob
28/02/2021 01:02:35 2 1
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So who won ?
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Rob
28/02/2021 01:07:31 3 2
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So Wales only won by two points then ?
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28/02/2021 07:11:38 3 1
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He also said that about Mays "wonder try" against Italy. Shouldn't have been given. Clearly jumping over a tackle.
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28/02/2021 07:36:06 1 1
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Same final score though. We've all suffered from terrible decisions. Nigel also said May's try was illegal but England haven't cancelled it off that result have they. Eng have bigger probs than that though, farrell is out of his depth as captain and his heir, Itoje is now a liability. 5 pens against him alone?
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28/02/2021 08:03:32 1 1
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And Wales would still of won anyway. What is your argument? The best team won. Put your dummy back in
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28/02/2021 08:25:45 2 1
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That's good enough for me.
Wales still deserved to win though because of all the stupid penalties that England conceded.
28/02/2021 09:01:53 1 1
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He was not refereeing the game. It's easy to say that sitting at home. He also said Jonny Mays try against Italy should have been disallowed. Which everyone else thought was a moment of genius.
28/02/2021 09:10:03 1 1
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There is no argument; the tries WERE awarded. End of discussion.
If my grandmother had testicles, she'd be my grandfather.
28/02/2021 09:20:26 0 1
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Why is he the law maker, oh and he wouldn't be Welsh would he?
28/02/2021 09:28:57 1 1
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Referee on the field said they should - end of argument
28/02/2021 09:50:28 2 1
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Same person who said May practicing high jump over a would be Italian tackler was illegal and dangerous.

You win some lose some.

Neither decision impacted the result luckily, the better team won both games comfortably.
28/02/2021 10:04:33 2 1
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He said the same about an English try last time, i didn't catch you whining like a bitrch then.
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27/02/2021 22:50:02 8 9
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Ok ok, we will concede the 2 tries. Just a 26-24 win then...
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27/02/2021 22:54:31 3 9
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Close, but every point was given to Wales by a biased referee
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27/02/2021 23:00:20 2 2
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Feeble.
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27/02/2021 22:51:05 160 36
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Why were the water bottle carriers on? Farrell was supposed to be having a word after England had conceded a penalty. It wasn’t a rest stop
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27/02/2021 22:54:36 13 16
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Having a word after farrell himself had conceded the penalty- ref was telling him to have a word with himself????
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27/02/2021 22:54:56 316 10
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As a Welshman, I have to say that I have some sympathy for the England complaints about the first-half decisions.

But the second half was a different game. England just threw the game away by conceding too many careless and unnecessary penalties. A bit like like some of Wales performances in the 1980s.
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27/02/2021 23:01:13 136 55
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Nobody is taking into account of how much guts it took, and strength in the face of adversity, for the English team to get back to 24-24...
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28/02/2021 03:54:46 8 3
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Yep England lost their heads in second half, but if those two decisions were called correctly would England's discipline have been found lacking after the break? Unfortunately we will never know.
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28/02/2021 07:47:39 7 1
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Totally agree, scores were level and whatever happened before was irrelevant at that point.. Wales held discipline and ours continues to falter.

Chasing the game after those descisions took guts but some of the penalties were brainless.
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28/02/2021 08:03:09 5 5
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Ref got both decisions right.

England's left hand side was fully defended when the game restarted after Owen's chat in the middle of the field. The right hand side was wide open, they were having drinks and a chat!!!!

Rees-Zammit palmed the ball down and backwards relative to his forward motion. (ball went from in front of him to behind)

Sonja needs to apologise to the ref.
28/02/2021 09:02:52 2 2
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Itoje should have had at least ten minutes in the bin.
28/02/2021 09:38:59 1 2
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That is a fair point, but as a player on the pitch and you watch that utter shambles, you would always be affected by it; you would always feel aggrieved. That event would always leave you feeling that the referee has an innate bias, whether proven or not. Credit to the team as a whole for not criticising the referee though.
28/02/2021 11:37:21 0 1
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As an Englishman, I totally agree with you Meredydd. English managed to draw level, but then the English Achilles heel continued to repeat itself - the giving away of needless penalties at crucial moments of the game. Wales almost certainly have won this match even if the first two tries had nor been awarded - Wales played to the referee, unlike England, and were better at spotting opportunities.
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27/02/2021 22:55:09 89 39
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David Flatman is spot on: Wales won by more points than the gifted tries. England lost via ill discipline and poor tactics. Really time to try new players and a new captain. I am an England supporter. Sigh!
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27/02/2021 23:08:43 63 16
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Please don't forget that if the tries had been disallowed, then Wales would probably kicked 2 penalties!
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27/02/2021 23:26:17 8 7
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yes and no, they won in the last few minutes by a large margin, 2 stolen tries in the first half change the game altogether. Wales could well have been chasing without French assistance, but you are right discipline and tactics were awful
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28/02/2021 03:58:43 0 9
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Let's see. 14 points from tries and 3 from the "block" what does that make? 17. England by 1. You should be ashamed
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27/02/2021 22:54:29 307 53
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Nigel Owens says both tries shouldn't have been awarded.

End of argument.
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GR
27/02/2021 22:55:43 69 323
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Who cares what he thinks. He's not an international ref
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27/02/2021 23:02:36 32 5
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Plenty cared when he said May's try a couple of weeks ago shouldn't have been awarded.
What Nigel Owens says is gospel, end of. And I‘be got a St George’s cross through me like a stick of rock! Although maybe that’s not the best analogy when talking about Nigel Owens... ?? Removed
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27/02/2021 23:42:55 5 2
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That's why his point of view is all the more interesting - more experience than anyone else (including you) and no need to be political.
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28/02/2021 00:02:48 5 4
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And neither are you???? even taking off two converted tries, we still win?????????? discipline of english players is what cost them.STOP CHEATING THEN ??????
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28/02/2021 00:39:22 10 1
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He is the best ref rugby has ever seen.
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28/02/2021 03:47:01 4 2
bbc
I think his 150 world rugby appearances as the match official, and 33 years of officiating experience may beg to differ.
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28/02/2021 06:15:13 3 2
bbc
Wash your mouth out ????????
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908
28/02/2021 08:04:03 1 1
bbc
He is as the BBC tells us an 'out of the cupboard' celebrity now!
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28/02/2021 08:24:18 2 1
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Ah an attack on the integrity of Nigel Owens. Well done
I am not allowed to say what I think as the oppressive BBC censors are watching. All I can say is Itrust Nigel Owens judgement implicitly
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28/02/2021 08:26:29 0 2
bbc
Hopefully the ref will no longer be an international ref after that
28/02/2021 08:35:24 0 1
bbc
Who cares what he thinks.
Your comment says everything about you (You will probably take that as a compliment).
28/02/2021 09:45:58 0 1
bbc
Are you?
28/02/2021 10:04:41 0 1
bbc
And that comment shows you have no clue what you're talking about ...
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27/02/2021 22:56:25 3 2
bbc
Where it’s supposed to be LRZ’s reaction there - he isn’t wearing a Wales shirt is he?
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27/02/2021 22:57:47 75 27
bbc
Dreadful decisions not to card Itoje; shocking discipline to be penalised that much
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27/02/2021 23:02:18 3 19
bbc
Lions captain according to Steve D
28/02/2021 08:55:13 7 1
bbc
If you look most of the pens he conceded where very marginal, Richie mccaw got away with worse every game. hetook the ball off someone in the tackle falling to the ground and penalised for not releasing, explain that
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27/02/2021 22:53:19 316 73
bbc
The knock on law is clear. That try WAS the result of a clear knock on. And as for telling players one thing then allowing play to continue...
The referee was a disgrace and should never officiate another match.
And that's from Scotland.
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27/02/2021 22:57:58 106 239
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Nearly 30 seconds passed between the award of the penalty and play starting again. Plenty of time to pass on the ref’s warning.
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Ed
28/02/2021 00:00:54 41 5
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No it didn’t. Watch it in real time. He was told to speak to his team, which were then all huddled under the posts (ie wingers called in 30 yards to hear the talk). It was obvious that they would need time to set. There is not a single referee in the world who would restart the match like that (ie no warning of restart, no “hurry up” etc) . It was terrible referring.
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28/02/2021 00:06:35 3 8
bbc
Not if you are English, as they dont believe they try to cheat more than others, hence the amount of penalties!! Itoje should have been binned in 1st 20 mins, pen after pen! They hate losing to us though, just as much as we do when losing to them????
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28/02/2021 00:10:49 2 10
bbc
Rugby Union is unrefereeable. and not worth watching. We get the big build up before every game and then each game is a disappointment. I,ve started watching the horse racing in preference to this tripe.
369
28/02/2021 00:17:54 3 2
bbc
Water was still on the pitch... backs turned....
379
28/02/2021 00:22:14 0 1
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Hilarious comment
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28/02/2021 00:24:03 2 3
bbc
Don’t be silly the water guys where still on the ref had asked Faz to talk to his side and you have to tell both sides when time is back on and he’s done it before warm up 2019 North scored from a x kick from Biggar.Next you’ll say he wasn’t biased.
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ro
28/02/2021 07:03:09 1 2
bbc
Agreed, if Farell didn't talk so much England would have ben ready
28/02/2021 09:13:19 0 1
bbc
Since when are the water boys all allowed to come on the field? I thought they only came on when the ref allowed them to and this must have distracted the players and kept them in this huddle except for a couple of the more alert ones.
28/02/2021 10:09:32 0 1
bbc
Wales were happy to slow the match throughout, always late to the line outs and scrums. Yet England aren't allowed 30 seconds to follow the 'ref's' orders?
28/02/2021 10:20:51 0 1
bbc
Never played the game then pal??? Take the chips off your shoulders.
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27/02/2021 22:58:09 9 2
bbc
Sadly its the decisions that will be debated but this 6 Nations has shown England need a change of Leadership. Nothing lasts forever and if you don't change and adapt you don't survive !

Its clear players with Sars lack game time but from what scene in the club scene there are some others on form who deserve a chance.
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Gaz
27/02/2021 22:50:51 81 16
bbc
Englands indiscipline cost them the game and they conceded 4 tries too. Move on now.
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27/02/2021 22:58:23 83 44
bbc
Indiscipline? Offside by 2 mm for one team; 5 yards allowed for the other.
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28/02/2021 08:17:20 6 5
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Indeed the ref was only looking at offside for one team. The welsh defence was offside at almost every single ruck, and not called by the ref, yet some of the calls against England were very marginal.
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27/02/2021 22:51:05 160 36
bbc
Why were the water bottle carriers on? Farrell was supposed to be having a word after England had conceded a penalty. It wasn’t a rest stop
33
27/02/2021 22:58:39 29 3
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Although the ref called 'time off' it was still a penalty and water carriers are not allowed on at a penalty, I know cos I am one.
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27/02/2021 22:58:40 230 10
bbc
tbh i thought England were actually pretty good today, bar the last 10 or so minutes. the common theme in this 6 Nations is that indiscipline will cost you matches- whether that be red cards, giving away too penalties or a combination of both.

on a different note that post match interviewer was terrible, she should be sacked. attempting to goad Farrell/Jones/AWJ in to criticising the ref.
11 years ago Martin Johnson could of killed her, she’s been winding people up for years Removed
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27/02/2021 23:09:39 12 1
bbc
All teams were warned before this tournament that the referees would penalise indescrections. Shame this referee was useless.
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27/02/2021 23:23:47 27 11
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won't be sacked, you can be that rubbish as long as you are female it seems. Too much mediocre punditry around and now post match interviews are going for sensationalism. Pathetic.
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27/02/2021 23:51:13 9 1
bbc
Trouble is, we’re giving away far too many penalties, many of them needlessly. The most successful England teams, like the 2003 team, never did that.
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28/02/2021 08:15:44 5 10
bbc
No, she shouldn't be sacked. I also roundly condemned the tone/behaviour in the pre & post match interviews, but we all have off days; that was hers, you've not had an off day in work, in your life? I had plenty of staff who got things wrong (as I did at times) wanting to get better is the key

Cut her some slack...it has been a strong learning episode for her, support to get better do not exclude
28/02/2021 09:24:06 3 1
bbc
Were you watching England playing NZ a few years ago instead then? They were awful indisciplined and lacking ingenuity, good job it was an average Wales team cos a southern hemisphere team would have put 60 on England.
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27/02/2021 22:51:48 13 21
bbc
Stupid HYS, all the Wales points were given to them by a French biased referee
35
27/02/2021 22:58:42 11 4
bbc
Really? Not English indiscipline then?
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27/02/2021 22:58:46 16 14
bbc
Always good to see scummy Eddie come unstuck
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27/02/2021 23:35:48 3 4
bbc
You only don’t like him cos he is England’s manager
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27/02/2021 22:53:19 316 73
bbc
The knock on law is clear. That try WAS the result of a clear knock on. And as for telling players one thing then allowing play to continue...
The referee was a disgrace and should never officiate another match.
And that's from Scotland.
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27/02/2021 22:58:59 31 42
bbc
Farrell was ask to have a word with his team mate, not to give a speech! It was approximately 21 seconds from the time the ref ask the Eng. Captain to have a word to resuming the game. How long does it take for someone to say "come on lads, keep focused, and stop given silly penalties away!
and for the water carriers to leave the pitch too? don't be daft, the team has to assemble and get back into position, that would be the 21 seconds without saying a word. Idiot. Removed
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28/02/2021 01:53:17 1 3
bbc
It was HIM that gave the penalty away. He only needed to have a word with himself :-)
009
28/02/2021 09:17:23 0 1
bbc
Why go into a huddle - irregular
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GR
27/02/2021 22:48:50 68 26
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Wales took their chances. Debate all weekend and into next week but the result stands and the history books will show that Wales won.
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27/02/2021 22:59:15 76 135
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Well your going to say that aren’t you, all the other nations are against England including the Refs. To quick to give penalties against England but not very quick to give them for England. Wakes first try was appalling and I would like to think that England would not have took advantage like the welsh did. Small nation small mind mentality, big chip on shoulder
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stu
27/02/2021 23:06:20 14 5
bbc
It’s only a game fella
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GR
27/02/2021 23:09:44 20 7
bbc
Let me check my cupboards for bothered's.........nope none there but I did find a really small violin. LOL
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27/02/2021 23:20:01 14 5
bbc
Wow take a bow and just admit you weren't the best team tonight. You're a keyboard warrior and I respect you as much as I respect a rich tea in a hot brew. Humility please found some.
Hahaha take advantage really this from the right wing brexit loving country whose one overriding desire is to bring back their joyous empire which is all about take take take and none of it was yours. Removed
If what you say is true, it’s because of your arrogant attitude...facts are you’ve been stuffed by the druids and the jocks....get over your miserable sour grapes Removed
252
27/02/2021 23:39:20 15 7
bbc
Victim mentality from a supposed big nation, sad.
303
27/02/2021 23:54:29 7 3
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Did you study English language in school.If you ever went there that is.
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28/02/2021 00:02:07 9 3
bbc
Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
446
28/02/2021 00:40:35 4 1
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Cry baby
685
28/02/2021 04:43:27 7 5
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Racism will get you know where. Sad loser, typical English a* hole
881
28/02/2021 07:55:46 5 1
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I love a conspiracy theory. Move on pal
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28/02/2021 08:11:16 4 2
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Sorry!! Big chip on shoulder - don't make me laugh, which "nation" is whingeing the most on here??? Ooops! Its England and the rest of us have to bow and scrape to the self imposed masters of the rugby universe??? Get a life!
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28/02/2021 08:23:46 2 2
bbc
Eng get hiven a lot of advantage by gaming the system Itoje is a joke full of penalties lil thinking as he flailw in all.legs and srms.went to winchester college wid Sunak tell u all
28/02/2021 09:02:49 3 1
bbc
How bitter, why don’t you just take your ball home and play with someone else!!!
28/02/2021 09:03:38 1 1
bbc
????????????????????????????????????????????
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28/02/2021 09:32:52 1 1
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Oh woe is me ???????? They're all against us ?? Its so unfair, very funny i can almost feel your tears on the carpet ????????
28/02/2021 10:17:34 1 1
bbc
Sorry, fella, but England would have taken their chances, and ridden their luck, just like Wales did - its naiive to suggest anything else.
28/02/2021 12:11:41 0 0
bbc
'Nobody likes me, everybody hates me........."
Oh, please.
Time to grow up la, turn that frown upside down and please stop being a victim.
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27/02/2021 23:00:00 4 4
bbc
Any idea why were not discussing the Wayson try?
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27/02/2021 23:09:10 1 2
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Great try. Poor Welsh defence.
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GR
27/02/2021 22:48:50 68 26
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Wales took their chances. Debate all weekend and into next week but the result stands and the history books will show that Wales won.
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27/02/2021 23:00:01 11 9
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We're just double checking your sanity.
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27/02/2021 23:00:10 15 3
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Eddie gets selection and tactics wrong..... too much loyalty to players who are overrated

Genge is a liability, LCD is clearly England’s best hooker not George, Billy V is a joke..... Youngs May of scored today but he and Ford are never England’s best half backs...

...but today Wales were the better team, more composed, better lead and fitter..... and Eddie let Sheedy go ? Bizarre
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27/02/2021 23:04:29 3 2
bbc
Spellcheck is killing me.... **may **led
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27/02/2021 23:06:46 0 7
bbc
It is much easier to win a game when a biased referee awards wales every important decision
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27/02/2021 23:32:18 1 1
bbc
Sheedy is from Cardiff no one let anyone go
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27/02/2021 23:00:10 28 13
bbc
England were better than Wales in so many facets of the game - especially attacking with ball in hand which I thought was a joy to watch (finally allowed off the leash by Eddie).

Despite poor discipline and a lack accuracy under pressure (Daly!), Wales were lethal with any opportunities.

Hats off to Pivac - you’ve got the boys really humming now!

Record points haul vs Eng and now for the GS!
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27/02/2021 23:21:41 38 31
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Most points a ref has ever scored that's for sure.
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27/02/2021 23:38:26 1 1
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Came away with two good trys but if you can’t stop the penalties it doesn’t matter how flashy you look making infringements
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27/02/2021 22:54:29 307 53
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Nigel Owens says both tries shouldn't have been awarded.

End of argument.
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27/02/2021 23:00:18 14 23
bbc
29-24 to Wales then, given that the first try would instead be 3 points to Wales.
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27/02/2021 23:10:14 36 2
bbc
Silly logic. If the first try hadn't been awarded it would've been a totally different match. Wales may well have still won but at least we wouldn't be having these discussions.
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27/02/2021 22:54:31 3 9
bbc
Close, but every point was given to Wales by a biased referee
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27/02/2021 23:00:20 2 2
bbc
Feeble.
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MJ
27/02/2021 22:50:56 122 16
bbc
Wales were the better team today, but the refereeing was inexplicable.
The referees in both games were poor.
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bbc
I think When England attacked they pissed all over the Welsh Removed
116
27/02/2021 23:13:41 9 4
bbc
Just lost the game!
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27/02/2021 23:15:19 11 5
bbc
Unfortunately for England that didn’t happen often enough. Same against Scotland too. Although...to be fair...they did manage to string a few attacks together against competitors closer to their standard.....Italy. Ha Ha Ha. Get a grip....”I think....:)
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27/02/2021 23:22:24 4 6
bbc
Whilst they were shittein all over the white shirts
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27/02/2021 23:50:09 4 2
bbc
Indeed. Perhaps they should have attacked more?
342
28/02/2021 00:09:47 6 4
bbc
Yeah ok! ?????????? one trick ponies under jones! ???? keep him please???? CYMRU AM. BYTH.
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28/02/2021 00:14:30 3 3
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The trouble is we didn’t really attack much. You don’t win games if you don’t have the ball in hand. We have fantastic backs but they don’t get the opportunities to attack. We kick away the ball way too much.
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28/02/2021 00:16:26 1 2
bbc
And vice versa - 4 times!
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28/02/2021 00:19:37 8 3
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They conceded 40...??
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28/02/2021 00:35:18 0 3
bbc
Very true.
729
28/02/2021 06:28:49 0 1
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*checks scoreline*
737
28/02/2021 06:34:21 0 1
bbc
when was that....2020
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ro
28/02/2021 07:04:14 0 2
bbc
40-24 I don't think so
830
28/02/2021 07:37:25 1 1
bbc
Didn't have much piss though did they ??
28/02/2021 08:31:02 2 1
bbc
England look very impressive executing training ground attack schemes and have clearly put in lots of time practicing them and developing the skills to execute them...BUT rugby isn’t just about executing set plays it’s about reacting to the opposition and maintaining discipline, two areas where England were sadly lacking.
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27/02/2021 22:52:44 382 47
bbc
Being Welsh, if those same decisions were made against us then we’d be fuming just as much as the English. However I still feel we did enough to win the game despite that.
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27/02/2021 23:00:54 158 390
bbc
You did nothing to win the game... you got two tries that should never have been and then in the second half we gave you penalty after penalty. England lost that game more than Wales won it!
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27/02/2021 23:07:21 25 5
bbc
Wow it’s like I’m back in the 90’s !
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27/02/2021 23:09:17 58 23
bbc
If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, mate.

Jeez, you can’t even lose properly.
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27/02/2021 23:13:39 72 21
bbc
4 penalties scored by each team, one of your tries was off a forward pass - you are not mentioning that. Even if the two tries were not awarded Wales would still have won by at least 2 points. Less of the sour grapes and accept that if a team is ill disciplined then they will be penalised - Wales could only play the opposition that showed up and they were not good enough so Wales deserved to win
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27/02/2021 23:16:03 52 21
bbc
How sour are your typical English grapes....your team are indisciplined...get it sorted or you’ll continue to lose
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27/02/2021 23:16:16 22 15
bbc
What’s your point. Who won the game
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27/02/2021 23:22:16 25 10
bbc
Do the opposite of your tag and man up, best team won
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27/02/2021 23:30:28 6 4
bbc
Ah bless you.... always next year. X
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27/02/2021 23:31:58 18 2
bbc
Take it on the chin. When will you ever give Wales the credit they deserve.
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27/02/2021 23:32:14 14 2
bbc
you snooze you loose....
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27/02/2021 23:37:05 17 3
bbc
Ah is mummy's little soldier having a tantrum because the nasty Frenchman awarded a try? You are adult. Grow up and deal with it. It isn't like England have never benefitted from dodgy decisions from the ref.
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27/02/2021 23:43:05 8 1
bbc
????
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Guv
27/02/2021 23:53:46 4 2
bbc
Dry your eyes.
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27/02/2021 23:54:10 12 4
bbc
Take those 2 tries away Wales still won by 2, if we'd kicked the first we'd be up by 5, the 2nd try was an advantage for a penalty in front of the posts, if we'd kicked that, 8 point win to Wales.
Dry your eyes you pussy???? if you stop CHEATING you may win the odd games ???????? CYMRU AM BYTH. Removed
340
28/02/2021 00:09:26 6 1
bbc
....and we scored penalty after penalty, therefore, doing enough to win the game.
359
28/02/2021 00:14:56 4 1
bbc
Sour grapes, Dan! Nobody likes a sore loser...
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28/02/2021 00:25:30 3 1
bbc
Tarquin we did win the game tho ?
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28/02/2021 00:34:30 4 2
bbc
Learn the laws and stop being so bitter. Take off those 2 tries and Wales still win. Not forgetting that the quick pen try would have been 3 points in front of the post anyway. Suck it up buttercup
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28/02/2021 00:37:19 4 1
bbc
I think the result is the same. Wales win and England lose. Or am I missing something?
524
28/02/2021 01:15:44 1 2
bbc
The BBC are after the likes of you. Send them your CV and you can work in their sports department.
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28/02/2021 01:17:35 1 1
bbc
Calm down....sounds a tad like sour ??.
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28/02/2021 01:18:24 2 1
bbc
Just sad. Time to grow up dantheboy
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28/02/2021 02:15:38 3 1
bbc
Seems to me they consistently lose more to Wales than win. Let's face it Wales usually have their number in recent years. I hear yet more sour grapes from a sore loser.
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28/02/2021 04:42:38 0 1
bbc
hush now Dan the man.
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28/02/2021 06:32:01 1 1
bbc
England are pure mince, laddie
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28/02/2021 06:33:28 1 1
bbc
Karma for numerous unpenalised hits by Farrel over the years.suck it up lads
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28/02/2021 06:53:41 1 2
bbc
40 - 14 (Two Tries ) = 26 , that’s still 2 more points than what England scored. End of
758
28/02/2021 06:56:26 1 1
bbc
England commit penalties like Trump tells lies.

When they're under pressure they slow the ball down. Then they bring on water carriers and slow it down a bit more.

When a penalty is given, a quick word from the skipper then face the opposition.
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27/02/2021 22:54:56 316 10
bbc
As a Welshman, I have to say that I have some sympathy for the England complaints about the first-half decisions.

But the second half was a different game. England just threw the game away by conceding too many careless and unnecessary penalties. A bit like like some of Wales performances in the 1980s.
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27/02/2021 23:01:13 136 55
bbc
Nobody is taking into account of how much guts it took, and strength in the face of adversity, for the English team to get back to 24-24...
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27/02/2021 23:12:00 8 1
bbc
Yes, all credit to the England team for that. They did well. Had me worried for a few moments.
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27/02/2021 23:15:28 25 9
bbc
Spot on. To pretend that having to catch up from 14 completely ridiculous points didn't change every single minute thereafter is a nonsense. Eng have major issues with Daly, Farrell and balance but that game will always be remembered for Gauzere's incompetence/bias.
Shut up!! You lost, stop bloody whingeing ffs! Triple crown for CYMRU!! Removed
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28/02/2021 03:45:54 8 2
bbc
Granted. But they then crumbled in the last 10 minutes when matches are won and lost. For all of the potentially dubious decisions England had their opportunity to win the match and they weren't up to the task. End of.
28/02/2021 09:25:48 0 1
bbc
I think it was plain to see how well England came back in the first.
28/02/2021 10:20:32 0 2
bbc
So what it means nothing. Rugby is an 80 minute game what’s the point giving a team credit for getting back on terms if they fall apart again. England lost badly accept it and move on.
28/02/2021 12:27:05 0 0
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Yes, it's almost as if they are professional sportsmen. Oh, hang on...
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27/02/2021 23:01:19 13 14
bbc
George's pass for the Watson try was miles forward, look at the pallet lines on the pitch. Odd there is no discussion on that
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27/02/2021 23:03:54 10 6
bbc
Pathetic untrue comment
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27/02/2021 23:09:39 1 1
bbc
Because we lost so it’s ultimately irrelevant. You Guy’s had the referee today and played your percentages better. Congratulations, worthy winners
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27/02/2021 23:01:43 49 11
bbc
Just watched the whole match again. Wales deserved to win even though the referee was poor. England were better today but never convincing or fluid enough, they’ve been terrible all 6N. The positives for England now is it may force change in time to build towards the next WC.
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27/02/2021 23:26:14 44 7
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Concentration is key! Wales never lost it. Always alert and enterprising. They can’t be blamed for officials and scored enough anyway without the two tries and conversions. England’s illdiscipline was taken advantage of and fairly. You find a way to win without being nasty and they did!
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27/02/2021 23:28:22 4 1
bbc
Youngs try sadly means Eddie will still think he’s the best 9 in England
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28/02/2021 02:53:10 2 1
bbc
Not with Eddie in charge. He has his favourites who play second tier English rugby and perform like poor second tier rugby players when in an England shirt.

Eddie should have been fired after the debacle of the World Cup final. We didn’t play then. Last seasons 6 nations win was pure luck.
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28/02/2021 03:59:27 1 6
bbc
First match you've ever watched huh
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28/02/2021 05:19:08 3 12
bbc
You obviously know nothing about the game or you would know that the Welsh were not good, England were better but ill-disciplined but the ref was the deciding factor in that game, not the players.
28/02/2021 08:59:49 5 1
bbc
England have been very short of brain cells for months. Whether its the inability to adapt on field ( e.g. by changing when a kicking game clearly isn’t working), not adapting to the referee, or not being alert (Daly wasn’t even looking and was jogging away when the Welsh scrum half scored) there is little intelligence on display.
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27/02/2021 22:58:40 230 10
bbc
tbh i thought England were actually pretty good today, bar the last 10 or so minutes. the common theme in this 6 Nations is that indiscipline will cost you matches- whether that be red cards, giving away too penalties or a combination of both.

on a different note that post match interviewer was terrible, she should be sacked. attempting to goad Farrell/Jones/AWJ in to criticising the ref.
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bbc
11 years ago Martin Johnson could of killed her, she’s been winding people up for years Removed
51
27/02/2021 23:01:45 447 39
bbc
Not happy at all with the questions by Sonia after the game. Clearly looking for a soundbite and rightfully all were answered professionally. She should be a professional too.
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27/02/2021 23:04:45 389 23
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I was cringing listening her baiting the players and coaches to criticise the ref, she is embarrassing.
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27/02/2021 23:09:40 24 36
bbc
If you want professional sport it needs professional standards of refereeing, extremely poor by the whole refereeing team throughout. What about the high tackle on Youngs as he scored the try as an example?
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27/02/2021 23:37:22 83 12
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Sonia deserves the sackshow some respect for god’s sake..Totally unprofessional and I’m welsh!!
That’s what you get when you put a woman in a position of which she has no knowledge or authority. The responses she got were what she deserved.

Sexual equality? At least put someone there who does a job. She came across like someone asking questions having watched a local 3rd team game. Which is about the standard of women’s international rugby
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28/02/2021 00:13:35 51 10
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She an embarrassment and shouldn't be conducting post match interviews!
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28/02/2021 00:32:49 28 79
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The interviewer asked the questions everyone wanted answers too. Unfortunately the players wouldn't or couldn't answer the questions.

It is sad that many people in this thread have made this into a gender issue.
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28/02/2021 00:40:13 16 9
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She should have asked was Erasmus right in the WC when he said ‘Wales are tough ****** not like England who go away’. The last 20 minutes showed that more than ever.
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28/02/2021 00:52:07 26 6
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Its the obvious talking point, and she wouldn't be doing her job properly if she hadn't asked the question.

Farrell and Jones, but especially Farrell given the circumstances they were asked in, then showed true professionalism in giving the answers they did. It's hard but on the field the ref is the boss, and you have to accept it.
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Rob
28/02/2021 01:00:35 4 18
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Go Sonja
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Rob
28/02/2021 01:06:06 0 19
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Clearly the UK is finished
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28/02/2021 01:57:46 4 6
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I was one of the people incensed and took to twitter ot highlight how bad she was. But seeing how upset she was afterwards, I did feel about it. She didn't do well, at all, like 20 years never seen it, but she is a human and I should have found a different way to express myself.
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28/02/2021 02:12:32 14 19
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She was doing her job. Give her a break. If she hadnt asked people would be whingeing. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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28/02/2021 04:05:50 12 4
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People attacking Sonia McLoughlin’s critics as “unkind” to a journalist doing her job miss the point that she was trying to make the post match all about criticising the ref. Perhaps Gauzere was crying in his ca4 in another part of the car park.
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28/02/2021 06:52:54 4 5
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I disagree, Farrell looked like he was chewing wasps. He should have known what was coming and dealt with it authoritatively by taking responsibility.

He's not a leader
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28/02/2021 07:28:27 13 2
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She had to ask, as is clear on here it is a big talking point. She didn't need to ask over and over though, once Farrell had answered (professionally) the first time the interview should have moved on.
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28/02/2021 07:40:35 9 4
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I totally agree with you, I felt her pre match interview was one dimensional & needling...& she continued in that vein for the post match interview. Farrell was very good & handled it well, but after that performance by the interviewer - if I was Eng management I'd say use someone else next time or no post match interviews.
She's not John Humphries...& Owen Farrell isn't a slippery politician
28/02/2021 08:49:03 8 1
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Quite right she is being criticised.
Yes, do your job. Yes, ask the questions. But to do so in a goading, baiting, aggressive, graceless way moments after the team has lost partly through questionable refereeing decisions was tasteless in the extreme and smacks of a person less important than they think they are.
28/02/2021 08:57:23 5 1
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Typical journalism these days.. Wanting to create soundbites and controversy. Emma Bartlett is the worst.
28/02/2021 09:10:06 6 1
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From a Welshman that was embarrassing. That is what football does to managers and players to wind them up. Rugby should be above that and show more respect and professionalism.
28/02/2021 09:11:31 2 1
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She is terrible!! Get rid of her
28/02/2021 09:18:56 0 3
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Sonia just asked what most wanted to hear imo and coach and players alike should be allowed to answer without worrying about fines. Im not a big rugby fan but give me honest answers even the studio analyst dodge the questions. Was the ref poor or not? Johnson said he was whistle happy but not if he was poor or not. By the way well done Wales England blew it after coming back into the game.
28/02/2021 09:19:41 0 1
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Credit has to go to Jones and Farrell, I am no fan of Jones, mainly because I am a fan of English coaches for England, and Welsh for Wales, that is all. We were lucky no doubt and they would have of course felt let down by some poor refs. Credit to Wales for playing to the ref, albeit the first try was riduculous.
28/02/2021 09:30:04 0 2
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Am I the only person who thinks players and coaches should be allowed to criticise officials when they are as bad as they were in this game?
28/02/2021 09:40:39 1 2
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She was doing her job - make headlines
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Spot on, appalling interviewing, as for her use of the term 'a big W' in reference to a win the other week where did she train. Token female again may be rather than best reporter, just saying seems a theme at the BBC Removed
Just seen on another website she has received loads of abuse online!! Never in favour of abuse of any sort but she should not be asking stupid questions!! I’m no England fan but I’ve watched so many times reporters asking if that coach is going to resign because of poor results!! Erm dear reporters their bosses will decide not you or us!! Get it into your heads!! Removed
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27/02/2021 22:51:35 128 37
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Decision 1: by the letter of the law, a try, but a clear mismanagement of the game by the referee.

Decision 2: the ball is lost forward, then bounces off the hip and goes backwards. The laws state 'when a player loses control of the ball and it goes forward' and both conditions were met in this instance. It was a knock-on.
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27/02/2021 23:02:15 62 64
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Oh never mind, it was only England, would be uproar if it happened to the smaller insignificant teams
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27/02/2021 23:26:40 18 10
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Anscombe against England had match winning try disallowed the world rugby admits it was a mistake. It happens to all teams wind in your paranoid neck. Or should we look to see how often Farrell gets away with his dodgy tackling. You lost because your discipline was awful get over it.
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27/02/2021 23:32:04 16 8
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Smaller, insignificant and ought to know their place. You're spot on mate. How dare two of them score more points than the biggest rugby playing nation in the world. It's that English humility they all adore.
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LH
28/02/2021 00:42:28 0 1
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Like NZ!!
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28/02/2021 03:15:26 0 3
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Do you need a hug?
28/02/2021 09:37:28 0 2
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Currently you cannot get any smaller or insignificant than England it looks like
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27/02/2021 22:57:47 75 27
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Dreadful decisions not to card Itoje; shocking discipline to be penalised that much
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27/02/2021 23:02:18 3 19
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Lions captain according to Steve D
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27/02/2021 23:50:06 5 2
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I think that game ended any chance of him being Lions Captain
28/02/2021 09:56:36 1 3
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Afraid he would need to considerably improve to get a seat on the plane. Got to be more to being a second row than just charging down box kicks and winning the occasional line-out.

Over-rated.
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27/02/2021 23:02:21 2 4
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Wales were still the better team.
A poor England performance overshadowed by some dodgy refereeing decisions.

Time for change.
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27/02/2021 23:02:34 2 4
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What Eddie Jones said about trying too hard is about right. He also warned about conceding penalties to clever Welsh play. He has noticed the indiscipline of his players, and in the end that was the pivotal factor. Not the ref.
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27/02/2021 23:19:21 2 1
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he picks the team, if he thinks they have a discipline problem leave them out.
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27/02/2021 23:33:28 0 1
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The indiscipline was not the pivotal factor honestly
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GR
27/02/2021 22:55:43 69 323
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Who cares what he thinks. He's not an international ref
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27/02/2021 23:02:36 32 5
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Plenty cared when he said May's try a couple of weeks ago shouldn't have been awarded.
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27/02/2021 23:17:06 0 7
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I didn’t see anyone jumping out of s tackle tisay
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Gaz
27/02/2021 22:50:51 81 16
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Englands indiscipline cost them the game and they conceded 4 tries too. Move on now.
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27/02/2021 23:02:55 7 10
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Nobody is taking into account of how much guts it took, and strength in the face of adversity, for the English team to get back to 24-24...
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28/02/2021 00:31:43 6 11
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Julie- ‘ how much guts it took, and strength in the face of adversity’? How long have you been watching rugby? Obviously not long as your team lost by 16 points- The team that wanted it most today was Wales. As Erasmus my fellow South African saison the WC- this is wakes the are hard ******, they don’t go away like England
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27/02/2021 23:03:18 3 5
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Pass to English wing threequarter looked forward, but that try was given too. Never mind another chariot for EA to retrieve from under the Severn Bridge tomorrow morning. LOL.
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27/02/2021 23:07:25 1 3
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Still better than Wales looking forward to winning the World cup
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27/02/2021 22:50:02 8 9
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Ok ok, we will concede the 2 tries. Just a 26-24 win then...
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27/02/2021 23:03:24 1 4
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Nobody is taking into account of how much guts it took, and strength in the face of adversity, for the English team to get back to 24-24...
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27/02/2021 23:07:48 3 1
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Unfortunately for England it’s the score after 80 minutes that counts.
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27/02/2021 23:03:43 2 6
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Glad to see the decisions that were beyond Welsh control are a accepted by the English squad.English fans suck it up.

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27/02/2021 23:31:23 1 1
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No one suggests the Welsh team influenced the decision but everyone (players and pundits) accept the decisions influenced the game. The England players effectively started the game with a handicap of 14 points.
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27/02/2021 23:01:19 13 14
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George's pass for the Watson try was miles forward, look at the pallet lines on the pitch. Odd there is no discussion on that
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27/02/2021 23:03:54 10 6
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Pathetic untrue comment
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27/02/2021 23:40:58 1 1
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Not another trump supporter are you claiming false news? That pass looked forward but was missed so try counted. I admit referee was not good but TMO okayed 2nd Welsh try and so it also stands I can understand English feelings about 1st try but ref only told Farrell to pass on the information to his players and not to hold a committee meeting of whole team.
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27/02/2021 23:03:55 23 7
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French bloke played a blinder in the first half. Wales won the second half.
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27/02/2021 22:54:12 93 18
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Blatantly obviously the frenchman was having fun with his decisions. What ever the case, Wales deserved to win and its now time for Eddie to move over.
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27/02/2021 23:04:07 67 22
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Going by his banter with Farr egg l that French Ref come across as a horrible man and dare I say it, French
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27/02/2021 23:33:17 8 13
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Never trust the French!
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28/02/2021 08:11:38 1 5
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Yes you dare and I agree. Revolting little Frenchman
28/02/2021 09:46:46 0 2
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Drivel
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27/02/2021 23:00:10 15 3
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Eddie gets selection and tactics wrong..... too much loyalty to players who are overrated

Genge is a liability, LCD is clearly England’s best hooker not George, Billy V is a joke..... Youngs May of scored today but he and Ford are never England’s best half backs...

...but today Wales were the better team, more composed, better lead and fitter..... and Eddie let Sheedy go ? Bizarre
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27/02/2021 23:04:29 3 2
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Spellcheck is killing me.... **may **led
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27/02/2021 23:01:45 447 39
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Not happy at all with the questions by Sonia after the game. Clearly looking for a soundbite and rightfully all were answered professionally. She should be a professional too.
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27/02/2021 23:04:45 389 23
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I was cringing listening her baiting the players and coaches to criticise the ref, she is embarrassing.
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Rob
28/02/2021 01:01:13 5 20
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Well done for getting to the real issues Sonja
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28/02/2021 07:53:56 10 4
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I wrote a formal complaint to the BBC about her interview. Tabloid and sensationalist at best!
28/02/2021 09:17:55 3 1
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Yes agree not a good look. I guess they have to ask as they were controversial but the persistent nature was unnecessary.
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27/02/2021 22:51:05 160 36
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Why were the water bottle carriers on? Farrell was supposed to be having a word after England had conceded a penalty. It wasn’t a rest stop
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27/02/2021 23:04:52 26 5
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Agreed. There’re far too many hangers on, on the pitch these days. And they’re mainly wired-up members of the coaching staff too, masquerading as medics.
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27/02/2021 22:51:48 13 21
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Stupid HYS, all the Wales points were given to them by a French biased referee
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27/02/2021 23:04:54 1 1
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Ha ha ha. Hic hic ??????
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GR
27/02/2021 22:55:43 69 323
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Who cares what he thinks. He's not an international ref
What Nigel Owens says is gospel, end of. And I‘be got a St George’s cross through me like a stick of rock! Although maybe that’s not the best analogy when talking about Nigel Owens... ?? Removed
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27/02/2021 23:05:16 6 3
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It's time Eddy Jones chucked it.
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27/02/2021 23:05:52 4 4
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Terrible decisions cost 2 tries, but lack of discipline cost us the game.

Perhaps Eddie Jones has had his time, the results and the on field errors aren't improving.
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27/02/2021 22:59:15 76 135
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Well your going to say that aren’t you, all the other nations are against England including the Refs. To quick to give penalties against England but not very quick to give them for England. Wakes first try was appalling and I would like to think that England would not have took advantage like the welsh did. Small nation small mind mentality, big chip on shoulder
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stu
27/02/2021 23:06:20 14 5
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It’s only a game fella
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27/02/2021 23:03:43 2 6
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Glad to see the decisions that were beyond Welsh control are a accepted by the English squad.English fans suck it up.

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Enjoy Brexit Removed
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27/02/2021 23:00:10 15 3
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Eddie gets selection and tactics wrong..... too much loyalty to players who are overrated

Genge is a liability, LCD is clearly England’s best hooker not George, Billy V is a joke..... Youngs May of scored today but he and Ford are never England’s best half backs...

...but today Wales were the better team, more composed, better lead and fitter..... and Eddie let Sheedy go ? Bizarre
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27/02/2021 23:06:46 0 7
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It is much easier to win a game when a biased referee awards wales every important decision
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27/02/2021 23:36:08 3 1
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Or easier to win a game if you remember stuff you were taught at school, like turn and face when a penalty is awarded, not go into a huddle for a chat....
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27/02/2021 23:06:46 4 6
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Triple Crrown........Triple Luck
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27/02/2021 23:09:50 2 3
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you can go do a Jim morrison, no one will care :)
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27/02/2021 22:54:29 307 53
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Nigel Owens says both tries shouldn't have been awarded.

End of argument.
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27/02/2021 23:06:50 18 6
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He also said Tuilagi’s red card last year was correct but you all slated him for that..... make yer minds up
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27/02/2021 23:06:59 158 6
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Manure happens. Refs happen. You can only control what you can control. England only have themselves to blame. Had the momentum and at 24-24 should have won the game but imploded with rubbish replacements, discipline and leadership. The last 20 was the worst I've seen Eng play for several years.
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28/02/2021 00:15:48 97 22
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To be fair we were never going to win tat game, we were outplayed most of the game and always chasing the score line. Well played Wales from an England fan
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28/02/2021 04:32:22 6 8
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24-24 should have been 10-24. That puts a whole new perspective on things.
28/02/2021 08:56:02 3 2
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They did well to come back to 24-24 but I struggle with your “should have won the game” comment. This type of thinking is endemic in English rugby. You had a chance to win it but it was far from you “should” have won it. In the end Wales were far more controlled and clinical when it mattered, hence they should have won it, and did.
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27/02/2021 23:06:59 16 6
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Love it....40 points and a brilliant try by Adams, you snooze you loose. 2nd try, not a knock on. All the times Wales have had dubious calls from a French ref.... Romain Pratt constantly, Gerome Garces (dying minutes of WC 2019 semi) not to mention Alain Roland, the half french ref who should never of been officiating a France game. Suck it up.
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stu
27/02/2021 23:13:18 2 1
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I love it too ??
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27/02/2021 23:16:41 0 3
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why suck it up, seems like you are still bitter about things all those years ago.
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28/02/2021 00:39:05 0 3
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You snooze you loose? Let's hope the money you saved on your education was spent wisely.
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27/02/2021 22:48:21 209 6
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I can't believe whoever gave that interview to both Farrell pre and post match as well as Eddie. Just trying to stir the pot. No class at all. Well done Wales.
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27/02/2021 23:06:59 167 8
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Yep...an all-round poor show from the BBC interviewer. I thought the pundits were OK though
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28/02/2021 08:33:09 1 4
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Blame the woman. Same old. She's obviously an England fan so not surprised by her interview. Did anyone hear Brian Moore commentary? He wanted to award man of the match to the ref. Pot stirring or what?
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27/02/2021 23:00:54 158 390
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You did nothing to win the game... you got two tries that should never have been and then in the second half we gave you penalty after penalty. England lost that game more than Wales won it!
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27/02/2021 23:07:21 25 5
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Wow it’s like I’m back in the 90’s !
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LH
28/02/2021 00:28:58 4 3
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it is "90s", not "90's"! There is NO apostrophe!! And, probably, there should be an apostrophe BEFORE the 9, " '90s """
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27/02/2021 23:03:18 3 5
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Pass to English wing threequarter looked forward, but that try was given too. Never mind another chariot for EA to retrieve from under the Severn Bridge tomorrow morning. LOL.
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27/02/2021 23:07:25 1 3
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Still better than Wales looking forward to winning the World cup
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27/02/2021 23:07:33 0 4
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Quite right too!

The referee's decision is final...& even if you strike off the 14 points...Wales would still have won!

There is no excuse...England were just not good enough on the day!
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27/02/2021 23:11:26 3 1
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Strike off the 40 points which were all awarded by the French referee
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27/02/2021 23:07:38 20 3
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It’s a tough call for which was the worst - England, the ref, or the post-match interviewing.
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27/02/2021 23:07:39 0 1
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The referee made several mistakes. If anything the penalty that was given against Farrell that led to the first try should have been against the welsh player for going off his feet.

That said, Wales had better discipline and deserved the win. International rugby is about percentages and they played the referee and the opposition better.
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27/02/2021 23:03:24 1 4
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Nobody is taking into account of how much guts it took, and strength in the face of adversity, for the English team to get back to 24-24...
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27/02/2021 23:07:48 3 1
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Unfortunately for England it’s the score after 80 minutes that counts.
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27/02/2021 23:08:07 0 1
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Neutral. Best team on the day won.
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27/02/2021 23:08:18 1 2
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I had to have another look at that game on record. When the game flowed it was great to watch sadly the ref was poor to both teams. I hope pascal reviews his performance it will help him become a better ref. His management of croc kicking was poor. Particularly wales were always way over 5 secs when told to ‘use it’ I counted 11 secs once. He was better at policing offside line, hindmost feet sir
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27/02/2021 22:55:09 89 39
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David Flatman is spot on: Wales won by more points than the gifted tries. England lost via ill discipline and poor tactics. Really time to try new players and a new captain. I am an England supporter. Sigh!
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27/02/2021 23:08:43 63 16
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Please don't forget that if the tries had been disallowed, then Wales would probably kicked 2 penalties!
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27/02/2021 23:18:59 9 4
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Finally, somebody has mentioned it!
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28/02/2021 04:50:44 3 1
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Even so, 16-24 makes both sides play differently, the last try was a perfect example of that with England taking what would have been unnecessary risks if Wales had 8 points less.
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28/02/2021 05:43:41 2 1
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Only the one was a penalty you numpty! But to be fair you still would have won , Thanks for the good times Eddie but time to say good bye and hello Mr Baxter
28/02/2021 11:17:29 0 1
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There was NO penalty involved with the "try knocked on NOT try".... The mind set was gone after 2 manure tries so it was a different game...
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27/02/2021 23:08:52 14 12
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Seriously, Wayne Pivac getting bigged up by Welsh fans who were screaming for him to go a few months back after 2 wins from 10 against Georgia and Italy. Couple of red cards and a ref with a grudge later ha ha.
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27/02/2021 22:53:19 316 73
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The knock on law is clear. That try WAS the result of a clear knock on. And as for telling players one thing then allowing play to continue...
The referee was a disgrace and should never officiate another match.
And that's from Scotland.
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27/02/2021 23:09:06 28 15
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How’s about England turn and face when a penalty is awarded, twice they were caught napping......

.....Wales scored the same try 2 years ago v Eng in RWC warm up..... don’t the English coaching team, analysts and players study these things ?

...Pivac obviously does, as does Dan Biggar
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28/02/2021 00:17:12 0 4
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So cheating then !!
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27/02/2021 23:00:00 4 4
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Any idea why were not discussing the Wayson try?
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27/02/2021 23:09:10 1 2
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Great try. Poor Welsh defence.
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27/02/2021 23:00:54 158 390
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You did nothing to win the game... you got two tries that should never have been and then in the second half we gave you penalty after penalty. England lost that game more than Wales won it!
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27/02/2021 23:09:17 58 23
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If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, mate.

Jeez, you can’t even lose properly.
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27/02/2021 23:09:17 0 1
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Massive forward pass for the Watson try. Rubbish ref.
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27/02/2021 22:58:40 230 10
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tbh i thought England were actually pretty good today, bar the last 10 or so minutes. the common theme in this 6 Nations is that indiscipline will cost you matches- whether that be red cards, giving away too penalties or a combination of both.

on a different note that post match interviewer was terrible, she should be sacked. attempting to goad Farrell/Jones/AWJ in to criticising the ref.
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27/02/2021 23:09:39 12 1
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All teams were warned before this tournament that the referees would penalise indescrections. Shame this referee was useless.
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27/02/2021 23:01:19 13 14
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George's pass for the Watson try was miles forward, look at the pallet lines on the pitch. Odd there is no discussion on that
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27/02/2021 23:09:39 1 1
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Because we lost so it’s ultimately irrelevant. You Guy’s had the referee today and played your percentages better. Congratulations, worthy winners
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27/02/2021 23:01:45 447 39
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Not happy at all with the questions by Sonia after the game. Clearly looking for a soundbite and rightfully all were answered professionally. She should be a professional too.
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27/02/2021 23:09:40 24 36
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If you want professional sport it needs professional standards of refereeing, extremely poor by the whole refereeing team throughout. What about the high tackle on Youngs as he scored the try as an example?
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28/02/2021 00:11:58 4 8
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Brace was biased AGAIN
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27/02/2021 22:59:15 76 135
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Well your going to say that aren’t you, all the other nations are against England including the Refs. To quick to give penalties against England but not very quick to give them for England. Wakes first try was appalling and I would like to think that England would not have took advantage like the welsh did. Small nation small mind mentality, big chip on shoulder
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GR
27/02/2021 23:09:44 20 7
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Let me check my cupboards for bothered's.........nope none there but I did find a really small violin. LOL
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27/02/2021 23:06:46 4 6
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Triple Crrown........Triple Luck
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27/02/2021 23:09:50 2 3
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you can go do a Jim morrison, no one will care :)
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27/02/2021 23:20:50 0 1
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This is the end
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27/02/2021 23:09:59 3 3
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26 seconds to say boys behave. England switched off, end of. Second try the ball never went forward, still beat England convincingly!
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27/02/2021 23:10:03 0 2
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Definitely some debateable refereeing decisions. A bit like Wales versus the AllBlacks in 1905.
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27/02/2021 23:24:44 0 1
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Or Wales v All Blacks 1978
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27/02/2021 23:10:09 4 4
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Typical English blaming everyone but their inadequate selves, England have loads of talent but they will never play expansive rugby while they have a hole in their arse, Cymru roll on and that’s how we like it