Pitch problems or pointless spin?
27/02/2021 | sport | cricket | 1,957
After England's two-day humbling by India in Ahmedabad, BBC Sport weighs up the arguments and considers what might happen next.
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27/02/2021 09:14:34 9 14
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Move on time. It is good that not every match follows the same gambit.
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27/02/2021 09:16:25 12 36
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After the first test England players, pundits and fans were crowing like the series was in the bag. Talk about premature. Typical Englishness.
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27/02/2021 09:22:47 17 3
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I recall no such thing and I'm Pakistani.
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27/02/2021 09:26:09 4 0
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I think you missed the point. This wicket was so bad if India had batted first it may well have gone the other way. Root taking 5 for 8 sums it up. He will never do that again in his career.
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27/02/2021 09:31:50 1 2
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Get back to your frozen Russian Winter- hope it’s cold enough there for you.
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27/02/2021 11:01:37 2 0
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Maybe lockdown has limited your view. There's always a few idiots but VERY few were "crowing like it's in the bag" People like you love hyperbole. This just exposes your personal prejudices. And I speak as a pro-EU ( and elswhere) Englishman
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27/02/2021 09:19:15 13 26
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Sour grapes. England doctor the pitch all the time to suit Anderson and Broad, Australia did the same, which resulted in India being bowled out for a low score. Rohit looked like he batted well on that pitch, even scored a 50, and was going well when he finished England off in the second innings. If England had won this game in 2 days, nobody would be complaining.
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27/02/2021 09:27:50 12 1
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I think English conditions are more to do with overhead cloud cover which had helped Anderson and players like Hoggard in the past but if that's been doctored our groundsmen are very creative
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27/02/2021 09:29:42 1 0
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It was a joke. England do not "doctor pitches" to suit Broad and Anderson, I think you'll find.
361
27/02/2021 11:05:02 3 0
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Rubbish. I am genuinely not attacking the Indians here as both teams had the same pitch to play on but pitches like this will be the death of test cricket. No-one will buy day 3-5 tickets if matches are done so quickly. Income will drop. IPL will rule ( hmm.....)
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27/02/2021 09:19:25 136 16
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A backhanded compliment is exactly what it is. We beat India fairly on a fair pitch. The BCCI didn’t like that, so have made conditions difficult to the point that India even struggled themselves. Yes we were outplayed, but for a day 2 pitch, that just isn’t cricket. Unless countries are penalised it’s gonna keep happening unfortunately. At least in England, pitches flatten out from day 2 onwards
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27/02/2021 10:00:18 50 95
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Headingley 2000 West Indies lost by an innings and 39 runs with England batting once scoring 272. Match over within 2 days. No outrage, no complaints, no calling on the ICC, happy England fans with the win.
310
27/02/2021 10:50:38 2 3
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Bring some more spinners next time
550
27/02/2021 12:30:36 0 3
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I believe had India won that toss ( which they hoped they would) it would have been 3-0 now. India would have scored 500+.
865
27/02/2021 14:42:23 1 1
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You call the pitch for the 1st test fair? It handed advantage immediately to England upon winning the toss. Pitches for 2nd and 3rd tests were at least even to both teams (toss did not decide the outcome). And neither of them were dangerous to batsmen physically. They just required higher level of skill and judgement of batters to succeed.
873
27/02/2021 14:51:26 1 0
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The toss decided the match in the 1st test but did not influence games 2 and 3. I would much rather watch a match dictated by a pitch rather than the toss even if it ends in 2 or 3 days. Matches in England get decided by the toss too. No one wants to bat first in a green, damp pitch in overcast conditions that flattens out on days 2 and 3. Team winning toss has a huge advantage then.
27/02/2021 18:47:02 0 1
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Batsmen are missing straight ball sir... what do you expect.. I thought both teams played badly... English side was rubbish..
28/02/2021 15:13:23 0 0
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Fair pitch is one that suits England and unfair if it doesn't. The pitches were not prepared based on first test because it does take time and might have been done well ahead to just make it a spinning track.
Both teams struggled due to their technique and mindset not because the pitch had variable bounce.
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27/02/2021 09:19:35 9 30
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The pitch was fine. The batting by both sides was very very average. Let’s move on now. Just a low scoring test match won easily by India ???? by 10 wickets lol ????
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27/02/2021 09:34:24 7 2
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So you subscribe to the theory that a two day test match is in the best interests of cricket? I don't think so.... The wicket was an utter disgrace and you should count your blessings that India won the toss.
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27/02/2021 10:09:43 0 2
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Clown!! Your views are as biased as those of the commentators!!
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27/02/2021 09:20:03 16 2
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England just need to treat the final test as a net

They can get some batting practice on an unfit surface which will help them when playing on a difficult surface in the future

The series needs an asterisk next to the result in the record books though

Joe Root best bowling 5-8*
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27/02/2021 09:22:21 61 17
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A truly disgraceful pitch prepared by India for this test. A flagrant breach of the unwritten rules of sportsmanship that cricket relies on. If the ICC fail to punish India properly we should refuse to play them. And unless we get a proper pitch for the next test our team should come home. WG Grace turning in grave.
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27/02/2021 09:29:35 40 13
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Is that the W G Grace who continued batting after being clean bowled?
339
27/02/2021 10:59:37 2 1
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Come home when things get too hot!
423
27/02/2021 11:35:36 0 2
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Better stay in india kp on the way good to go tans less Covid19 what's not to like
27/02/2021 18:30:47 0 0
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Awwww refuse to play them lol someone give him A hug ??
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27/02/2021 09:22:30 234 30
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The pitch was awful. Neither side got 150 in the full 3 innings played. Spinners took 28/30 wickets in match and seamers did not bowl a single over in the second innings. I saw India comparing it to the pitch Broad took 8-15 on vs Aus at Trent Bridge accusing us of double standards with English green tops. In that match we scored 391- 9 dec and Australia got 250 + in 2nd innings. Lousy comparison
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27/02/2021 09:36:47 63 91
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This is why test cricket is best played in england. Variety of conditions are available and the very best players succeed. You only have to look at Warne and Murali to see why England is the best place to play test cricket.
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Bob
27/02/2021 09:45:35 13 39
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India were 49 for none second innings so your rational is lousy
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27/02/2021 10:44:14 11 27
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SICK and TIRED of the English complaining when things don't go there way, always blame it on somebody or something else. English want to play test cricket on the pitches that favour them, like for fast bowlers. A top batsman should be able to play on any pitch. It was one skill against another. Return series, will favour England. Are theEnglish beyond the underhand tactics? Just get on with it.
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27/02/2021 11:35:52 4 1
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It is a lousy comparison. Never seen where this 'English green tops' comes from either. Total cliche. English pitches are not green and only a few in the 70's look green. If you swing a ball like Anderson and Broad can, the pitch is irrelevant. Mike Procter said that and he knew about swinging a cricket ball.
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27/02/2021 12:05:02 3 2
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Final over of the game 4,4, dot, 6 . Just need to attack spin bowling perhaps? Takes skill though.
726
27/02/2021 13:45:54 3 0
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Also,overhead conditions helped Broad that morning - something no-one can control.Gavskar is an even more one-eyed commentator than the Aussie ones.
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27/02/2021 09:16:25 12 36
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After the first test England players, pundits and fans were crowing like the series was in the bag. Talk about premature. Typical Englishness.
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27/02/2021 09:22:47 17 3
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I recall no such thing and I'm Pakistani.
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27/02/2021 14:40:43 1 0
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say no more
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27/02/2021 09:23:14 12 2
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While days 1 & 2 were very exciting, days 3, 4 & 5 were very dull. Perhaps 2 spinners and 8 batsmen would take the test into a third day. I can't see the point of picking fast bowlers for their fielding.
28/02/2021 22:45:17 0 0
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Maybe an extra batsman!
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27/02/2021 09:23:31 390 74
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It’s fairly obvious what happened.
England won the first test which spooked India, who have subsequently ensured that the pitches since are unplayable.
Of course every home nation is entitled to do so, but in this instance it has come at the cost of entertaining cricket being played.

I was really looking forward to watching it over the weekend, shame!
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27/02/2021 09:28:21 114 22
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Spot on
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27/02/2021 09:32:36 18 1
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Yeah, the loss of listening to / watching some cricket was a real disappointment. :(
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Sam
27/02/2021 09:50:44 19 33
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The pitches weren't unplayable - India managed a decent score in the 2nd Test.
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27/02/2021 10:43:15 10 16
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Is it obvious? Fact? Or is it just your opinion
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27/02/2021 10:57:38 18 26
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What unplayable only for England? The pitch is the same for both sides.
390
27/02/2021 11:19:44 5 1
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They’ve always done it their strength is spin so they’re not going to prepare a pitch for our quicks.
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27/02/2021 11:20:58 5 2
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Totally agree. After Kohli left Aus after a 36 all out defeat, went home and then lost the first Test, I think he was under loads of pressure and words were said. With a Test final to play for, I doubt he wanted anything but a result pitch and one that turned square to help his bowlers. India have the lead and a draw would do them in the last Test, we could get the flattest of pitches to get that.
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27/02/2021 11:42:53 12 1
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Went a tad too far and made it too obvious didn't they
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27/02/2021 12:02:51 4 12
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Sour grapes!
544
27/02/2021 12:25:48 10 2
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In fairness, although I have qualms of a test match finishing in 2 days, this recent pitch was more fair than the first test match where it was a case of whoever won the toss and batted first won.
At least on this pitch it's a matter of which team has the better spinners and has the better batsman against spin.
Fact is that England batted first with the better batting conditions and still lost.
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27/02/2021 12:33:41 3 6
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India played well in the second test and as Adar Patel said, the pink ball started skidding because of its surface! Nothing to do with the pitch!
Pink ball/application by batsmen were the reasons!
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27/02/2021 13:05:52 6 4
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A team losing a test match in two days is a Team's fault. Not pitches.
Yes, Indian's do have an advantage of home pitches with varying paces/spins even on same line/length and toss of the ball. The reason for this is Indian are used to reading the ball with rapid eye movements compared to Englishmen. Just accept the defeat and move on guys!.
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27/02/2021 13:19:02 8 3
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Nothing will be done about this rigged pitch because the indian system is obviously dodgy as is the third umpire.cannot blame the england players for their reactions if anything i thought they restrained themselves pretty well compared to kohli in the last match.
667
27/02/2021 13:20:08 4 1
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When England lose the next test as well and return home spooked, they can grow more grass on pitches when India visit Egland later this year.
676
27/02/2021 13:22:33 2 2
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I loved every minute of the drama.
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27/02/2021 14:19:35 4 0
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Sorry... the pitch for the first test was also an extremely bad one. It was a ROAD for nearly 2 1/2 days when England batted India out of the match. So in fairness, you should be complaining about that pitch as well, since it was not even for both the teams.
827
27/02/2021 14:23:29 5 0
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India did not want subsequent pitches to be unplayable. They wanted them to aid spin because they think they are stronger there, but they would abhor the lottery of a genuinely unplayable pitch.

In fact only the first test was really a lottery as that had genuine huge benefit of winning toss.

(Ok England played better and deserved to win but still that pitch was most “unfair” of the series)
857
27/02/2021 14:38:50 2 1
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It was extremely entertaining! Shame that Eng batted first and set the tone for low scores. One cannot drag a target of 49 for three days. Hope Eng batsman learn how to play against quality spin quickly if English Test cricket has to survive. It's thriving in India after the Aus series win!
895
27/02/2021 15:08:11 0 2
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Hers a way to try and address this - let the away team have choice of whether to bat or bowl. I know E gland won toss and still lost bit it would even things up. Same when England play at home too.
933
27/02/2021 15:37:57 4 0
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The english education system must have "complain and blame" in there curriculum.
960
27/02/2021 15:55:47 3 0
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Yet somehow in the previous Test two Indian batsmen scored centuries, while England batsmen struggled to even reach 50, then in this Test India chased down the target - which was 60% of England's second innings score in which they lost all ten wickets - without losing a single wicket. Excuses, excuses.
981
27/02/2021 16:09:08 4 0
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Hmm didn't England lose the test on the same pitch even by a larger margin? The match was entertaining for Indians. May be not for you because your team was full of player who can't play spin.
994
27/02/2021 16:19:03 4 0
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Naa...the better team won..so stop winging.
27/02/2021 16:52:21 3 1
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And what your opinion about a match ending in Headingley inside 2 days? This happened in 2000

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/west-indies-tour-of-england-and-scotland-2000-61879/england-vs-west-indies-4th-test-63891/full-scorecard
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27/02/2021 09:23:37 273 22
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A test match that last less than two days with neither side scoring 150 in any innings clearly points to a sub-standard pitch with part time bowler Root taking 5 for 8 best summing it up. I get it that the home team will always prepare a wicket to suit their strengths but this is ridiculous. It's not in the interests of cricket and the paying public have been massively short changed.
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27/02/2021 10:00:14 104 9
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Exactly. If a county kept doing this, match after match, they'd be in serious trouble
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27/02/2021 12:06:18 0 23
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Cricket is a fast exciting game ruined by being spread over more than one day!
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27/02/2021 12:14:56 6 0
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Agreed Old Dog. Something that no one is mentioning is the pink ball. The pitch was obviously not very good but the ball seemed to skid, perhaps due to the shine that remained on it. Not only was it turning but it was doing it quickly - and both sides struggled with it. It was the same for both sides I suppose.
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27/02/2021 12:36:45 8 1
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Nothing to do with the pitch - more to do with the pink ball! Most balls were straight but skidded!
Indians wont care they WON , even if they need to CHEAT in there Genes to CHEAT @ EVERYTHING... Removed
966
27/02/2021 15:57:44 1 2
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The only reason India scored less than 150 in their second innings was the winning target was only 49 runs. Yet they managed to reach that total (which was 60% of England's second innings total which cost them all 10 wickets) without losing a single wicket. Excuses, excuses.
27/02/2021 17:10:27 0 0
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Case in point..... Did you tell this to ECB and complain about the sub-standard pitch in Headingley ever?

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/west-indies-tour-of-england-and-scotland-2000-61879/england-vs-west-indies-4th-test-63891/full-scorecard
27/02/2021 21:28:04 0 0
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Sour grapes. England fans are the definition of hypocrites https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBNlOOeovvU. 20 wickets on Day 1 at Lords, the supposedly 'Home' of cricket.
28/02/2021 09:55:53 0 0
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Presume you also don't think, 3 new changes to the Test made any difference (Day/Night + Heavily lacquered Ball + the Pink & no seam visible). Sure the pitch was a taking spin but 20+ wickets fell to a straight ball ;-) Guess if the game is not going England's benefit they WILL whinge.
28/02/2021 13:19:26 0 1
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But India would've comfortably scored over 150 in the 4th innings if they were required to do so.
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27/02/2021 09:24:08 133 8
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Clearly the pitch was not acceptable for the simple reason that it did not give a realistic hope of the match lasting 5 days which after all is what Test cricket is supposed to be all about. Having said that England really were awful with their batting techniques. Let's hope they show a bit more backbone for the fourth test!
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27/02/2021 10:59:37 51 0
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Have to agree. The lack of application by England’s batsman was worrying. Also, you have to question the reading of the pitch beforehand. Stokes having a disappointing series. Foakes’ keeping and batting a rare plus.
528
27/02/2021 12:14:09 2 3
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It's just a game ruined by lasting more than one day!
27/02/2021 17:15:47 2 1
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Those English fans who are whining (not all English fans are whining) have not
1. Watched the match well
2. Have not watched or followed Test Cricket before 1980s.
This pitch is long sought dream one for a change because every team has forgotten to play 5 day test with sound technique on lively turning pitches.
Should it turn on day 1? Why not once in a while to check them out?
27/02/2021 17:23:31 1 1
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How a acceptable are English pitches then because maximum (9) matches have ended within two days in England, the last one being in 2000 at Headingley!

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/west-indies-tour-of-england-and-scotland-2000-61879/england-vs-west-indies-4th-test-63891/full-scorecard
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27/02/2021 09:24:14 3 3
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I see no value in playing Bess. Is Parkinson still out there? I'd give him a go. It's unlikely we'll make enough runs to compete anyway, let's see what he can do on a wicket like this.
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27/02/2021 09:24:46 138 7
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Spinning pitches or seaming pitches doesn't really matter. What matters is a a fair contest between bat and ball. Which means a test of five days.
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27/02/2021 10:31:56 32 2
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I'm reminded of a line Alastair Sim spoke in the 1960 movie "School For Scoundrels" based on Stephen Potter's Gamesmanship and One-upmanship books, "He who is not one up, is one down".

It's not cheating, they are ploys (cough).
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27/02/2021 10:49:48 2 8
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Ok let's have a 5 day test that everyone can see is heading for a boring draw
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Leo
27/02/2021 10:49:50 3 5
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If you want a "fair contest between bat and ball" then surely you also have to look at how the batsmen approached the game, rather than just focus on the pitch and the bowling? While there was appreciable turn, the vast majority of the wickets fell to balls that didn't turn, suggesting the problems they were having were largely mental and technique, rather than an awful pitch.
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27/02/2021 10:52:52 3 4
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So what about England winning in 3 days in England, nothing is said about that, all praise goes to the English bowlers. You got best English "conditions" bowlers, India got best Indian "conditions" bowlers. So bleeding get on with it.
524
27/02/2021 12:11:45 2 3
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Yawn!
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27/02/2021 12:41:59 3 3
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Does any one have data of how many test played in England have completed on the fifth day? What is that percentage?

Complaints of pitch, 5-day match, fair-contest, are farcical excuses to hide the fact that England can't play quality spin.
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dai
27/02/2021 15:16:42 2 0
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No, Its simply a MAXIMUM of FIVE DAYS. Before the 5 day law, matches would go on for days!
"Longest Test match (male) Share. The lengthiest recorded cricket match was the `timeless' Test between England and South Africa at Durban, South Africa, on 3-14 March 1939. It was abandoned after ten days (eighth day rained off) because the ship taking the England team home was due to leave."
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27/02/2021 15:59:29 0 1
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maybe not five days, but CERTAINLY 4 DAYS, AT LEAST!!
27/02/2021 16:53:55 1 1
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And what about test matches ending within 2 days in England? Acceptable because England eon it? Why wasn't this match allowed to go to day 5?

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/west-indies-tour-of-england-and-scotland-2000-61879/england-vs-west-indies-4th-test-63891/full-scorecard
28/02/2021 15:30:51 0 0
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WHO, repeat WHO says a test HAS to last 5 days?
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27/02/2021 09:25:11 210 30
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When bowling sides open with spinners, something is badly wrong. The pitch was awful! In preparing the wicket India put winning above the good of the game, and turned it into a farce.
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27/02/2021 09:29:35 32 182
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No, it’s called understanding the game and conditions.
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27/02/2021 10:49:38 4 7
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Spin bowling has changed a lot in the last 10 years, mainly accelerated due to T20. Spin used to be seen as fodder and only for the old ball, that's why you would never open with it.

It maybe better rebranding spin as slow bowling. Using the new harder ball for variations in bounce height, skid, drift etc means they are effective without much lateral deviation. Yours is a very antiquated view
521
27/02/2021 12:09:41 2 5
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No. A spin attack makes batsmen play the ball. Anyone is able to step away from seam bowling that is neither going to hit wicket or pads.
562
27/02/2021 12:37:43 1 2
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What’s wrong with that!
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27/02/2021 14:17:42 3 0
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Why? Where does it say a pitch must suit fast or swing /seam bowling before spin?
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27/02/2021 16:08:13 0 0
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We could have done the same if we had more specialist spinners, if we also did not have as many fast bowlers our tail may not have been so long and if our specialist batsmen had a positive attitude and played correctly against spin then may be our scores would have been better.
Hopefully England have learnt their lesson and the series will be squared
27/02/2021 17:00:05 0 0
bbc
Exactly. Spin track is bad. Green top or concrete like top are good
27/02/2021 21:28:15 1 0
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Sour grapes. England fans are the definition of hypocrites https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBNlOOeovvU. 20 wickets on Day 1 at Lords, the supposedly 'Home' of cricket.
28/02/2021 10:09:49 1 0
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Maybe in your opinion. Sides without decent pace attack will tend to have decent spin attack. Stop whinging, who scored most on 2nd & 3rd Test. You have to accept, cricket, football, Rugby are not what you are good at in the world. Your only ODI WC win was marred with controversy.
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Sam
27/02/2021 09:25:56 133 5
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The pitch shouldn't be that bad. Full stop.
These games are being shown on terrestrial TV in the uk for the first time in ages and this farce does Test cricket no favours what so ever. Whoever wins.
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27/02/2021 11:15:22 77 1
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I agree. Channel 4 had cleared there schedule for five days to televise a match which was over in two days. I cannot see them doing that again, once this series if finished. Test cricket will go back to subscription channels and become even more irrelevant. RIP.
533
27/02/2021 12:17:09 2 2
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Five fifty over games played over five consecutive days is clearly the way forward as a Test!
637
27/02/2021 13:10:02 2 1
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Channel 4 should be demanding their money back. Two tests haver lasted a combined five days, not good enough.
818
27/02/2021 14:20:45 1 0
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I'm not sure that whoever asked for that pitch to be set up like that was thinking of Joe Englander watching on terrestrial TV for the 1st time since 2005. Obv International cricket may need to take action to ensure interest isn't lost among this generation!
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27/02/2021 09:16:25 12 36
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After the first test England players, pundits and fans were crowing like the series was in the bag. Talk about premature. Typical Englishness.
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27/02/2021 09:26:09 4 0
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I think you missed the point. This wicket was so bad if India had batted first it may well have gone the other way. Root taking 5 for 8 sums it up. He will never do that again in his career.
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27/02/2021 10:15:09 1 0
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Nor get anything close to it. I think there is an element of the pink ball here too, but even so a poor pitch.
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27/02/2021 09:26:32 31 3
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It’s both. Pitch too dry to start a game with and we can’t play spin. Put the two together and you have a two day test match.
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27/02/2021 09:27:02 3 4
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Both sides batted poorly. Rohit managed to hit a 50 easily, before they collapsed.
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27/02/2021 09:27:24 5 15
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Same pitch for both. Teams.
Neither teams are composed of robots or programming.
So many variables, which make sport what it is.
Perfection just doesn’t exist.
A non story.
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27/02/2021 09:56:55 3 0
bbc
I take it you disapprove of counties being sanctioned for poor pitches, too?
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27/02/2021 09:19:15 13 26
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Sour grapes. England doctor the pitch all the time to suit Anderson and Broad, Australia did the same, which resulted in India being bowled out for a low score. Rohit looked like he batted well on that pitch, even scored a 50, and was going well when he finished England off in the second innings. If England had won this game in 2 days, nobody would be complaining.
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27/02/2021 09:27:50 12 1
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I think English conditions are more to do with overhead cloud cover which had helped Anderson and players like Hoggard in the past but if that's been doctored our groundsmen are very creative
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27/02/2021 10:19:24 0 0
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I'm sure I'd heard the ECB had hired some native Americans.
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27/02/2021 09:23:31 390 74
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It’s fairly obvious what happened.
England won the first test which spooked India, who have subsequently ensured that the pitches since are unplayable.
Of course every home nation is entitled to do so, but in this instance it has come at the cost of entertaining cricket being played.

I was really looking forward to watching it over the weekend, shame!
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27/02/2021 09:28:21 114 22
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Spot on
278
27/02/2021 10:42:39 2 7
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How?
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27/02/2021 10:43:14 32 68
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SICK and TIRED of the English complaining when things don't go there way, always blame it on somebody or something else. English want to play test cricket on the pitches that favour them, like for fast bowlers. A top batsman should be able to play on any pitch. It was one skill against another. Return series, will favour England. Are theEnglish beyond the underhand tactics? Just get on with it.
980
27/02/2021 16:08:16 1 0
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Do listen to Kohli when India lost within 3 days in South Africa! That’s what England need to do , such poor losers
Always make pitches to suit themselves at home and cry when they can’t play abroad!
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27/02/2021 09:29:28 15 1
bbc
With India now 2-1 up the next track will be a road.
58
27/02/2021 09:40:48 3 1
bbc
Doubt it. They lost last time they did that
156
27/02/2021 10:05:22 6 0
bbc
Another dust bowl that turns square again. Bumrah knows what's coming. That's why he has buggered off
25
27/02/2021 09:29:29 100 5
bbc
If a county side had produced a pitch like this they’d have been deducted points and warned. Made a farce of the game. Very disappointing from India.
446
27/02/2021 11:43:17 12 55
bbc
Then the county cricket criteria for docking points needs to be fixed. This pitch was the same for both teams and the better team won.
7
27/02/2021 09:22:21 61 17
bbc
A truly disgraceful pitch prepared by India for this test. A flagrant breach of the unwritten rules of sportsmanship that cricket relies on. If the ICC fail to punish India properly we should refuse to play them. And unless we get a proper pitch for the next test our team should come home. WG Grace turning in grave.
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27/02/2021 09:29:35 40 13
bbc
Is that the W G Grace who continued batting after being clean bowled?
60
27/02/2021 09:41:12 6 9
bbc
No it’s the WG Grace who quite sensibly refused to tour India in the 19th century owing to the dodgy pitches.
149
27/02/2021 10:04:46 3 13
bbc
Pathetic comment
471
27/02/2021 11:52:04 12 1
bbc
Wasnt it Kohli who wanted to bat on when he was bowled?
769
27/02/2021 14:02:11 6 0
bbc
Yes - and justified it with his comment at the time! And what about when Koli was bowled,demanded a free review,and was given one - by a home umpire...
27/02/2021 19:59:32 0 0
bbc
That's an apocryphal tale told about many batsmen.
28/02/2021 14:15:11 0 0
bbc
W G Kohli?
28/02/2021 22:44:43 0 0
bbc
Like Kohli!
16
27/02/2021 09:25:11 210 30
bbc
When bowling sides open with spinners, something is badly wrong. The pitch was awful! In preparing the wicket India put winning above the good of the game, and turned it into a farce.
27
27/02/2021 09:29:35 32 182
bbc
No, it’s called understanding the game and conditions.
120
27/02/2021 09:58:26 19 1
bbc
No. It's called MISunderstanding the game!
121
27/02/2021 09:58:29 21 5
bbc
No, it's called creating a lottery. You can't honestly believe that Root is a 5-8 test bowler
231
27/02/2021 10:27:08 5 11
bbc
Well said. England are a one man team where as opposition are not
285
27/02/2021 10:44:37 2 1
bbc
Irony
308
27/02/2021 10:50:07 10 3
bbc
Nonsense. "Understanding the game" involves understanding it should have a chance of lasting 5 days. This pitch takes that away. Will be interesting to see the next match if its on the same track.
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MG
27/02/2021 12:12:44 3 1
bbc
Either that or you are extremely confident that the hard new ball will be turning from the off. How would you know that then?
797
27/02/2021 14:13:59 0 1
bbc
NO ITS CALLED CHEATING, A TEST PITCH MUST LAST 5 DAYS NOT 5 HOURS...
929
27/02/2021 15:35:45 0 1
bbc
Garbage - it is called cheating.
3
27/02/2021 09:19:15 13 26
bbc
Sour grapes. England doctor the pitch all the time to suit Anderson and Broad, Australia did the same, which resulted in India being bowled out for a low score. Rohit looked like he batted well on that pitch, even scored a 50, and was going well when he finished England off in the second innings. If England had won this game in 2 days, nobody would be complaining.
28
27/02/2021 09:29:42 1 0
bbc
It was a joke. England do not "doctor pitches" to suit Broad and Anderson, I think you'll find.
29
27/02/2021 09:30:13 59 3
bbc
To be honest, any pitch where the match is over in 2 days isn't fit for match play. It doesn't make any difference whether it's designed for spin bowlers or quick bowling, it's obviously so heavily skewed to one extreme that it's just good enough really.
40
27/02/2021 09:33:39 5 4
bbc
Just not* *sigh*
27/02/2021 17:21:57 1 1
bbc
Wrong. Both teams doing poorly in 3 innings may generally appear to fault pitch.
Not this one.
Pitch was fair to both and batsman. Both sides like all modern sides fed with fast cricket did not think thru mentally. They do have skills though.
Such pitches thrown once in a while will teach them to grind it out and bring out those skills.
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Pau
27/02/2021 09:30:16 46 7
bbc
If both sides had batted better then that pitch would still most likely have resulted in a three day test - one demerit point as a shot across the bows would suffice.

England picking 4 seamers read it wrong which is much more concerning.
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27/02/2021 10:17:24 27 1
bbc
Balls 'exploding' off a good length in the first session on day one took any batting skill out of the contest.

Yes, England picked the wrong line up with the mirage of the pink ball swinging at dusk but if they had picked their other available spinner, Bess, the result would have been the same and the 'test' even briefer.
587
27/02/2021 12:50:11 1 2
bbc
Well three seamers and a pugilist!
31
27/02/2021 09:30:23 5 11
bbc
It’s the same pitch for both teams. Isn’t the idea to play better than your opponents on whatever surface is presented? England did in the first test and didn’t in the next two.
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27/02/2021 09:30:28 114 11
bbc
I see the fine Indian seamer Jasprit Bumrah has asked to leave the bubble for personal reasons and won’t playing the 4th test.
He knows what’s coming- another dust bowl for Axar and Ashwin and he doesn’t want to stand in the heat for too long and not get a bowl.
Never mind Jasprit you will be needed in England or India won’t have a chance - Lol
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27/02/2021 10:10:40 55 7
bbc
It will be flattest batting track in the history of cricket, India don't want any chance of slipping up to give up a 2-1 lead and a trip to Lords against NZ. A nice green topper at Lords would be most apt.
315
27/02/2021 10:52:07 0 19
bbc
Oh lolly lol lol. Pathetic
330
27/02/2021 10:57:30 2 6
bbc
And which bubble is Mo Ali in? And he is a spinner.
467
27/02/2021 11:50:48 2 1
bbc
It will probably be an absolute shirt front so we have little chance of squaring the series. They owe the TV companies too!!
567
27/02/2021 12:41:54 0 3
bbc
So why did Mo leave the England camp!! He would have done well!
574
27/02/2021 12:44:54 0 1
bbc
Rather an assumptive comment!
665
27/02/2021 13:19:40 1 0
bbc
Yes another turning wicket. But Broad and Anderson will say that they have to play. How did we play 3 seamers and one spinner on a really dry wicket. Fight spin with spin.
28/02/2021 22:11:32 1 0
bbc
Green top and seaming at Lords?
Bring it on. India no muck with that one! Jasprit, Ishant, Siraj and Yadav will be a handful quartet against any opposition. Just that Indian batsmen need to show up.
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27/02/2021 09:30:55 11 0
bbc
If there is going to be a defined standard for what a pitch should be like, then get on with it and put a plan into action. Having the same sort of discussion year after year about 'prepared' pitches benefits nobody.
34
27/02/2021 09:31:09 4 3
bbc
Simple solution, we have neutral umpires, why not have neutral groundspersons to prepare the pitches. No bias then???
139
27/02/2021 10:02:38 2 1
bbc
My confusion comes with Indian building a state of the art stadium, get 60,000 fans in to watch a test match and then produce a pitch that ends up with the game over in 5 of the potential 15 sessions. The stadium is world class so why lay a village green square in it?
512
27/02/2021 12:06:15 0 0
bbc
Exactly. in the World Cup the ICC supervise the pitches preparation. The ICC should now supervise the preparation of all Test pitches as well to ensure a fair balance between bat & ball. This will ensure meaningful and fair cricket.
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27/02/2021 09:16:25 12 36
bbc
After the first test England players, pundits and fans were crowing like the series was in the bag. Talk about premature. Typical Englishness.
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27/02/2021 09:31:50 1 2
bbc
Get back to your frozen Russian Winter- hope it’s cold enough there for you.
36
27/02/2021 09:31:50 185 15
bbc
India created a day 5 pitch on day 1 . It was a deliberate tactic and it worked.

It was winning plan ...but it’s just not cricket !
127
27/02/2021 10:00:14 129 15
bbc
I see Indian correspondents say that we produce green seaming pitches over here so that's the same. No it isn't!! After a couple of sessions our pitches flatten out and are good for batting
27/02/2021 21:28:26 0 0
bbc
Sour grapes. England fans are the definition of hypocrites https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBNlOOeovvU. 20 wickets on Day 1 at Lords, the supposedly 'Home' of cricket.
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27/02/2021 09:32:21 44 7
bbc
Clearly a poor pitch. But given how the pitches have performed and been prepared so far this series. How dense can Joe Root and the coaching staff be to think picking 1 front-line spinner on that pitch is clever. If Moeen, Bess and Leach had bowled the majority of the overs in that last session on the 1st day it couldve been a victory. India got a head start at 99/3 and the game was already over.
94
27/02/2021 09:52:51 11 0
bbc
Pink ball that was swinging all over the place in the days before, according to a post match interview with Root.
148
27/02/2021 10:04:42 13 1
bbc
Because, if you've read yesterday's article, England had bowled on the practice pitches & they got movement. It's why they chose the team they did. Did they get it wrong? Yes. Are they dense? No.

Their choice was wrong, but armchair fans 1,000's of miles declaring they knew better... No, sorry. They're out there, we're not. It was a poor choice, but they had reasons for that choice.
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27/02/2021 09:23:31 390 74
bbc
It’s fairly obvious what happened.
England won the first test which spooked India, who have subsequently ensured that the pitches since are unplayable.
Of course every home nation is entitled to do so, but in this instance it has come at the cost of entertaining cricket being played.

I was really looking forward to watching it over the weekend, shame!
38
27/02/2021 09:32:36 18 1
bbc
Yeah, the loss of listening to / watching some cricket was a real disappointment. :(
39
27/02/2021 09:33:07 82 5
bbc
To be fair there's better pitches prepared by part time groundsman in local cricket throughout the UK who do it for the love of the game, a free tea and a couple of beers in the clubhouse,,
283
27/02/2021 10:44:22 39 3
bbc
True, but to prepare a pitch like this one takes real skill. Clearly the England management were so fooled when reading the pitch that they only picked 1 spinner when India went in with 3.

The only parallel in English cricket is what happened here in Somerset where they produced turners for Leach and Bess only to have points docked as the ECB doesn't like cricket played on spinning pitches.
953
27/02/2021 15:50:53 7 0
bbc
Dead right - and I have prepared wickets in the manner you cite which is why I know the BCCI should be cited for blatant cheating; their stadiums don't have any problems producing lush green outfields in hot temperatures that last at least 5 days so why do their wickets break up on day 1? Because they deliberately under prepare them hence they cheat.
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27/02/2021 09:30:13 59 3
bbc
To be honest, any pitch where the match is over in 2 days isn't fit for match play. It doesn't make any difference whether it's designed for spin bowlers or quick bowling, it's obviously so heavily skewed to one extreme that it's just good enough really.
40
27/02/2021 09:33:39 5 4
bbc
Just not* *sigh*
41
27/02/2021 09:33:51 7 12
bbc
I hate sour grapes. India played better than England. They batted better, they bowled better and fielded better than they usually do - on a par with England. The pitch would surely prove more of a problem for the team batting second if it was such a minefield? It turned out India won batting second. I'm an England fan but we need to 'suck it up' - 'once more into the breech dear friends'.
52
27/02/2021 09:38:36 4 0
bbc
I hate it when people like you miss the point entirely. He shoots he misses.

If you cannot contribute to the debate why bother trying? Cheesus.
53
27/02/2021 09:38:40 3 0
bbc
You have entirely missed the point!
42
27/02/2021 09:34:14 2 2
bbc
Would Dom Bess have contributed more wickets than three of the bowlers and more runs than at least two of the batsmen ?
98
27/02/2021 09:54:27 0 0
bbc
Certainly more wickets than the seamers
5
27/02/2021 09:19:35 9 30
bbc
The pitch was fine. The batting by both sides was very very average. Let’s move on now. Just a low scoring test match won easily by India ???? by 10 wickets lol ????
43
27/02/2021 09:34:24 7 2
bbc
So you subscribe to the theory that a two day test match is in the best interests of cricket? I don't think so.... The wicket was an utter disgrace and you should count your blessings that India won the toss.
80
27/02/2021 09:49:01 5 0
bbc
To old dog ??. The English won the toss and decided to bat ??. Get your facts right lol ??????
44
27/02/2021 09:34:37 14 0
bbc
At least with seamers you have to rotate bowlers. Ashwin and Axar could've bowled all day on a pitch that was only going to get worse.

The correct team for the 3rd test was 2 spinners, an all rounder who can bowl a bit of spin, a batting wk and 7 batsmen. That's not balanced.
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27/02/2021 09:57:02 7 3
bbc
You can make a case to only play 1 seamer in the last test. Let Stokes open the bowling with Anderson and play Bess, Leach and one of the young spinners if they are still out there. Archer just going through the motions again, I'm afraid. Will become a 20/20 show pony in time
45
27/02/2021 09:35:05 5 4
bbc
The pitch was poor but the standard of the batting was even worse.
96
27/02/2021 09:53:16 4 1
bbc
When several of the worlds best and skilled batters can't survive on the first two days of a test match, would suggest that the pitch is not fit for purpose
46
27/02/2021 09:35:08 6 10
bbc
This is why test cricket is best played in England. Conditions are available for all types of players and the very best players succeed.
49
27/02/2021 09:36:59 5 3
bbc
That's a very narrow view of the great game of cricket.
115
27/02/2021 09:57:04 1 0
bbc
Oh yes. How dare the uncouth foreign members of the empire play our great English game in their own filthy lands. One is aghast at such temerity.
173
27/02/2021 10:09:03 1 0
bbc
You need to get off your high horse
47
27/02/2021 09:36:44 46 8
bbc
For many years Test teams suffered the results of partisan umpires. This was solved by an international umpires who were regularly assessed and had the confidence of the ICC. If the authorities brought in a panel of senior groundsmen to help local groundsmen prepare test match pitches, away teams would have far more confidence knowing the pitches had not been dictored
640
27/02/2021 13:11:34 19 13
bbc
The pitch wasn't perfect but it was good enough. England got to 74-2, India to 98-2 and 49-0. The problem was poor batting.
27/02/2021 21:38:17 0 0
bbc
Excellent point!
8
27/02/2021 09:22:30 234 30
bbc
The pitch was awful. Neither side got 150 in the full 3 innings played. Spinners took 28/30 wickets in match and seamers did not bowl a single over in the second innings. I saw India comparing it to the pitch Broad took 8-15 on vs Aus at Trent Bridge accusing us of double standards with English green tops. In that match we scored 391- 9 dec and Australia got 250 + in 2nd innings. Lousy comparison
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27/02/2021 09:36:47 63 91
bbc
This is why test cricket is best played in england. Variety of conditions are available and the very best players succeed. You only have to look at Warne and Murali to see why England is the best place to play test cricket.
62
27/02/2021 09:43:37 42 5
bbc
This is a very narrow view of the great game of cricket.
Great test cricket is played all around the world in a variety of conditions.
The best players adapt to those conditions.
97
27/02/2021 09:53:22 21 12
bbc
No this is why test cricket is best played everywhere.
Why should England have a constant advantage?
154
27/02/2021 10:05:16 4 16
bbc
No, you should just not play in India.
221
27/02/2021 10:22:43 15 1
bbc
You mean play under our rules only...... hmmmm - how does that sound?
295
27/02/2021 10:46:13 8 4
bbc
Yep play all the Test matches in England? Balls.
328
27/02/2021 10:56:41 10 0
bbc
I'm pretty sure the entire point of test cricket is that it is played in as many different environments as possible.
418
27/02/2021 11:34:30 2 5
bbc
No it's not because we prepare green tops.
991
27/02/2021 16:15:13 1 0
bbc
Arrogance!
England is a good place to play tests but England need to play well away too, that’s why they are called ‘tests’!
Rohit Sharma batted well in both innings and showed how it can be done by a good batsman.
27/02/2021 17:00:50 0 0
bbc
England has the worst weather. Most days lost overall. If Warne and Murali are so good. Look at their averages on the spinning Indian wickets. Sri Lanka have not won a test match in India ever. Admit it Indians can play spin. Don’t forget the umbrella.
27/02/2021 17:23:00 0 0
bbc
Get over yourselves
46
27/02/2021 09:35:08 6 10
bbc
This is why test cricket is best played in England. Conditions are available for all types of players and the very best players succeed.
49
27/02/2021 09:36:59 5 3
bbc
That's a very narrow view of the great game of cricket.
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27/02/2021 09:37:18 48 7
bbc
Comes to something when Yuvraj Singh is the voice of reason.

I would have more wickets than Murali if I bowled on wickets like that every week.

Can we send aid to the BCCI? They must be short of a few quid if that is the sort of pitch they prepare?
588
27/02/2021 12:50:18 4 0
bbc
I'll leave it to The Duckworth Lewis Method to sum it up.....It's Just Not Cricket

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf0iy6cgRE4
28/02/2021 10:35:16 0 0
bbc
Says the fan of a team that has won a world cup primarily due to luck and cheating.
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27/02/2021 09:16:25 12 36
bbc
After the first test England players, pundits and fans were crowing like the series was in the bag. Talk about premature. Typical Englishness.
Removed
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27/02/2021 09:33:51 7 12
bbc
I hate sour grapes. India played better than England. They batted better, they bowled better and fielded better than they usually do - on a par with England. The pitch would surely prove more of a problem for the team batting second if it was such a minefield? It turned out India won batting second. I'm an England fan but we need to 'suck it up' - 'once more into the breech dear friends'.
52
27/02/2021 09:38:36 4 0
bbc
I hate it when people like you miss the point entirely. He shoots he misses.

If you cannot contribute to the debate why bother trying? Cheesus.
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27/02/2021 09:33:51 7 12
bbc
I hate sour grapes. India played better than England. They batted better, they bowled better and fielded better than they usually do - on a par with England. The pitch would surely prove more of a problem for the team batting second if it was such a minefield? It turned out India won batting second. I'm an England fan but we need to 'suck it up' - 'once more into the breech dear friends'.
53
27/02/2021 09:38:40 3 0
bbc
You have entirely missed the point!
54
27/02/2021 09:40:09 6 9
bbc
Two points.

The pitch was the same for both teams.

None of the wickets came from deliveries that misbehave.

On the plus side, Bairstow's batting gives hopes of an England cap for us 52yo club cricketers.
85
27/02/2021 09:50:38 4 2
bbc
Either you weren't watching or don't understand the game. The ball turned square again from ball 1 of the test match!!
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abs
27/02/2021 09:40:11 3 10
bbc
Yes it was a hard pitch but then you get that in Test cricket occasionally, I wonder if England would ve still complained had they won the match . Facts are England batted first , had the best of conditions and messed it up. Yes it was a turner but definitely not a 112/10 and 81/10 pitch. India batted better , bowled much better and hence they won. Stop looking for excuses
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27/02/2021 09:46:57 4 1
bbc
Very few English supporters are denying that India played better in the conditions and deserved to win the match. Well done India. No one is looking for excuses but many are complaining about two things.
Such a poor pitch is bad for test cricket ( done in 2 days??) and secondly it was prepared deliberately to favour the home side- not in a slight way but in at outrageously biased way
56
27/02/2021 09:40:25 35 1
bbc
When I was being coached at cricket in the 1950s we were told to smother the spinning ball at it's point of impact with the ground. I rarely see a batsman attempting this.
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27/02/2021 10:05:58 7 1
bbc
Smother with bat or pad ? With DRS even that will be difficult
259
27/02/2021 10:37:02 7 0
bbc
This is what puzzles me. I was never much of a player (state school, so precious little attention to the sport, much less encouragement), but...

Play the ball where it lands before it has a chance to spin, which leads to... Bowler anticipates you coming, pitches it short, which gives you time on the backfoot to see where it's going! There's got to be summat wrong with that thinking, I know! :)
773
27/02/2021 14:03:31 1 0
bbc
English batsmen don't use their feet to get down the pitch against spin - KP for batting coach!
817
27/02/2021 14:20:29 0 0
bbc
Difficult when it's bouncing round your ears.
27/02/2021 23:44:13 0 0
bbc
That's right still today but obviously miss it once and you're stumped (well, maybe Pant will miss a few) the quality of Indian bowlers on such a challenging pitch makes it easier said than done!
57
27/02/2021 09:40:30 8 1
bbc
Clearly not a fit pitch. A test match should have a reasonable contest between bat and ball, which this certainly wasn't. Remember, India's batsmen didn't play the spin much better than the England did. But just about better enough, with England adding to their problems with poor selection.
England batsmen need to play for the straight one. If you nick off a beauty, so be it.
24
27/02/2021 09:29:28 15 1
bbc
With India now 2-1 up the next track will be a road.
58
27/02/2021 09:40:48 3 1
bbc
Doubt it. They lost last time they did that
59
27/02/2021 09:40:48 2 0
bbc
With all the chat about the pitch and how test cricket should at least last longer than 2 days, if India prepare a good pitch for the final test (that lasts 5 days,) I think that irrespective who is victorious, the chat will continue to concentrate on the third test and the pitch.
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27/02/2021 09:29:35 40 13
bbc
Is that the W G Grace who continued batting after being clean bowled?
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27/02/2021 09:41:12 6 9
bbc
No it’s the WG Grace who quite sensibly refused to tour India in the 19th century owing to the dodgy pitches.
344
27/02/2021 11:00:20 7 2
bbc
England didn't tour India in the 19th century, nor did India play test cricket.
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27/02/2021 09:41:39 9 5
bbc
Why no one is pointing out England won the toss, which , at least in theory, should have given them a huge advantage on such pitch. There were many who said that the first two tests were won by toss. Where have they gone now?
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27/02/2021 09:50:30 3 1
bbc
I was one of those that suggested win the toss, win the match ... if you bat well in the first innings. England didn't.
The Indian bowlers were not unplayable but far more accurate and consistent. They bowled very few bad balls, credit to them.
But I still believe in getting rid of the toss because the result of many test matches, all over the world, are dictated by the toss.
88
27/02/2021 09:51:18 0 1
bbc
Haha they won the toss and wanted 250+ on the board for Jimmy to have a crack with the pink ball under lights late on the first day. Plan failed badly though.
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27/02/2021 09:36:47 63 91
bbc
This is why test cricket is best played in england. Variety of conditions are available and the very best players succeed. You only have to look at Warne and Murali to see why England is the best place to play test cricket.
62
27/02/2021 09:43:37 42 5
bbc
This is a very narrow view of the great game of cricket.
Great test cricket is played all around the world in a variety of conditions.
The best players adapt to those conditions.
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27/02/2021 09:43:46 1 3
bbc
Many years ago an top English test cricketer worked the winter in a garage where I worked .
I asked him how he read a top West Indian spinner who could bowl a wrong one, you did not know which way it would turn.
He said he watched it spinning in the air to know.
Could are clueless batters employ the same tactics.
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Grb
27/02/2021 09:48:27 1 0
bbc
It’s not as simple as that when the pitch you’re playing on has the same consistency as a Cadbury’s Flake. Slightly different playing on a West Indian road.
Top West Indian spinners vs Top Indian spinners ??
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27/02/2021 09:44:39 2 1
bbc
The shortest completed test since 1935, and no official complaint about the pitch? What's going on?
474
27/02/2021 11:52:41 0 0
bbc
Matches weren't played with pink balls before 2015 - Hence no point harping on about matches before the 2nd world war
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Bob
27/02/2021 09:44:47 11 8
bbc
But when England roll teams over at home for paltry totals on swinging pitches designed to suit their bowlers it’s not an issue it’s just more praise for Broad and Anderson. You don’t get to have it both ways, stop your moaning and exhausting search for blame, get better at playing in conditions different to your home.
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27/02/2021 09:56:45 5 1
bbc
That happens because of conditions not the pitch. The ball moves in the air not off the pitch
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27/02/2021 09:59:40 2 1
bbc
'Pitches' don't make the ball swing. Swing happens through the 'air'. In England, when the ball swings and seams, it may be for the first hour or so. Survive that though, and they turn into batting paradises for 2 and a half days. And i wouldn't fancy facing Bumrah, Ishant and co in seamer conditions much either. I'd bet i know where they prefer bowling.
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27/02/2021 10:12:14 2 0
bbc
Name one game in England where there has been a similar result
There isn’t one.
When we bowled Aus out for nothing and Broad took 8-15, we scored 391-9 Dec and Aus got over 250 in the second innings. No comparison

You are making it up mate
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27/02/2021 09:45:00 4 6
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India couldn’t beat a good mainly superior team in the first test and so in an act of disgraceful sportsmanship made us play on two doctored pitches designed to take the skill out of the matches and favour the home team. Pathetic really. No better than Lance Armstrong or Warner, Smith and Bancroft. And obviously the interests of fans and the game generally don’t come into it.
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27/02/2021 09:56:16 2 2
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The pitch allied with a highly lacquered ball was a massive problem for both teams. India batted second and still won. The pitch was a problem India solved that problem even though they were disadvantaged by batting second. They won fair and square (an England fan).
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27/02/2021 10:02:36 1 1
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you missed Stokes and Atherton
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27/02/2021 09:45:09 22 3
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The BCCI were so butthurt after the first test, the second test pitch at Chennai was a disgrace. India winning the toss and Rohit in one day mode from ball one, they knew what they were doing. To follow with an equally bad pitch for the third test. Clap clap clap. Well done on killing test cricket.
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Grb
27/02/2021 09:53:04 10 2
bbc
Exactly right ??
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27/02/2021 10:37:24 2 1
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Did England not do this in Lords in 2014 (and burst their hands!) and tried repeating at Trent Bridge after the win at Lords in 2018 and lost again! Underhand tactics learnt from the old country!
27/02/2021 16:29:18 0 0
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Rohit on one day mode india bowled out for 329 alright then what stopped any of the english batsman to play attacking cricket or the so called one day mode ??oh I forgot they were busy finding excuses for their sloppy batting
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Grb
27/02/2021 09:45:19 2 1
bbc
It’s just not worth watching as a spectacle which is a real shame for test match cricket.
Batsmen look like they’re trying to hit it with a golf club.

There is no challenge for the spin bowlers on these wickets, as the article says “turn your arm over, take a wicket”.

Still it gives Indian bowlers good figures ??
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27/02/2021 09:22:30 234 30
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The pitch was awful. Neither side got 150 in the full 3 innings played. Spinners took 28/30 wickets in match and seamers did not bowl a single over in the second innings. I saw India comparing it to the pitch Broad took 8-15 on vs Aus at Trent Bridge accusing us of double standards with English green tops. In that match we scored 391- 9 dec and Australia got 250 + in 2nd innings. Lousy comparison
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Bob
27/02/2021 09:45:35 13 39
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India were 49 for none second innings so your rational is lousy
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27/02/2021 09:49:50 41 8
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The 4th innings was irrelevant as the game was done, india had no pressure. You cant have 3 innings where the scores are below 150.

Bangladesh got penalised against Australia few years and all the innings were above 200.

Yet BCCI controlled ICC wont punish this pathetic excuse of a cricket a pitch.
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27/02/2021 11:37:31 3 0
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It's your point that is lousy and it doesn't even make any sense.
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27/02/2021 09:45:56 11 1
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Ok the pitch was poor, but my Nan could have picked a more suitable 11 for that Test....
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Grb
27/02/2021 09:52:34 11 2
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Ed Smith has been a disastrous head of selectors.
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27/02/2021 09:46:06 5 1
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Perhaps the combination of a 'turning pitch' and a pink ball surprised everyone, including the India ground staff? The ball was not exploding off the surface as in the second test. It did turn 1 degree more but a batter can adjust for that. It was that 'highly lacquered ball' was NOT turning and going straight on that did for most batters - so was it really 'that' bad a pitch?
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27/02/2021 10:50:16 0 0
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Spot on! Many people here and BBC commentators conveniently ignore the new and unknown factors that might have contributed to this two days debacle
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27/02/2021 09:46:08 0 0
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Re: "pitch penalties do not affect a team's standing in the World Test Championship".

The Playing Conditions state that "If a match is abandoned and the pitch and/or outfield is ultimately rated as ‘Unfit’ under the ICC Pitch and Outfield
Monitoring Process, points for that match shall be distributed
on the basis that the visiting team won the match and the home
team lost the match."
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Bob
27/02/2021 09:46:51 6 8
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If England had won this test inside 2 days you would all be lauding the team and how amazing they are. You lose and it’s just a desperate search for blame. It’s embarrassing
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Grb
27/02/2021 09:51:56 2 1
bbc
Well yes, of course, because for England to win the test on that wicket with Jack Leach and Joe Root as our bowlers would deserve praise.
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27/02/2021 09:55:45 1 1
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The test match ended in two days. If that's not a red flag I dont know what is.
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abs
27/02/2021 09:40:11 3 10
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Yes it was a hard pitch but then you get that in Test cricket occasionally, I wonder if England would ve still complained had they won the match . Facts are England batted first , had the best of conditions and messed it up. Yes it was a turner but definitely not a 112/10 and 81/10 pitch. India batted better , bowled much better and hence they won. Stop looking for excuses
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27/02/2021 09:46:57 4 1
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Very few English supporters are denying that India played better in the conditions and deserved to win the match. Well done India. No one is looking for excuses but many are complaining about two things.
Such a poor pitch is bad for test cricket ( done in 2 days??) and secondly it was prepared deliberately to favour the home side- not in a slight way but in at outrageously biased way
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27/02/2021 09:47:08 6 0
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Little wonder, then, that Bumrash has ruled himself out of the Fourth Test.
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27/02/2021 09:47:48 2 0
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Poor wicket,poor batting,poor selection. Just do not lose the next test. One other comment rotation of the quick bowlers woakes on his way home has not played a game,what does that imply.
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27/02/2021 09:55:19 1 0
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He is not in the chosen crowd as they say.

Yes it was always commented on why take so many Pace bowlers to the sub continent where the Pitches are known for Spinning and slow bowlers.
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27/02/2021 09:47:59 12 3
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A lot of things to consider;

Pink ball used, who adapted better?
Line and length with the bowling?
Indian bowlers were more consistent than England (except Root).
When did any batsmen use their feet / skill to disrupt the spinners?

Test matches are based on skills, concentration, technique and resolve.
J Bairstow went for a sweep first ball and then completely bowled the following one.
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Lee
27/02/2021 09:48:25 3 4
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The pitch may have been a lottery but how come India won so easily batting second? England's selection on three pace bowlers did not help.
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Grb
27/02/2021 09:50:22 1 0
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Let me see : Indian batsmen vs Jack Leach and Joe Root compared to English batsmen vs Axar & Ashwin

I wonder why India won ??
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27/02/2021 10:12:25 0 0
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Because they only needed 49 and Root is still a part time bowler who didn't have a clue how to bowl at top order right handers- he was very poor.
It is unbelievable that they went into the game with only one front line spinner.
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27/02/2021 09:43:46 1 3
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Many years ago an top English test cricketer worked the winter in a garage where I worked .
I asked him how he read a top West Indian spinner who could bowl a wrong one, you did not know which way it would turn.
He said he watched it spinning in the air to know.
Could are clueless batters employ the same tactics.
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Grb
27/02/2021 09:48:27 1 0
bbc
It’s not as simple as that when the pitch you’re playing on has the same consistency as a Cadbury’s Flake. Slightly different playing on a West Indian road.
Top West Indian spinners vs Top Indian spinners ??
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27/02/2021 09:34:24 7 2
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So you subscribe to the theory that a two day test match is in the best interests of cricket? I don't think so.... The wicket was an utter disgrace and you should count your blessings that India won the toss.
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27/02/2021 09:49:01 5 0
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To old dog ??. The English won the toss and decided to bat ??. Get your facts right lol ??????
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Bob
27/02/2021 09:45:35 13 39
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India were 49 for none second innings so your rational is lousy
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27/02/2021 09:49:50 41 8
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The 4th innings was irrelevant as the game was done, india had no pressure. You cant have 3 innings where the scores are below 150.

Bangladesh got penalised against Australia few years and all the innings were above 200.

Yet BCCI controlled ICC wont punish this pathetic excuse of a cricket a pitch.
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dai
27/02/2021 15:12:52 2 1
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No. If that pitch was so bad for both teams, England should have taken wickets in India's second innings. England simply gave up.
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27/02/2021 09:50:06 6 3
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England clearly put all the eggs in the Jimmy will swing the pink ball basket and didn’t consider what the pitch was doing.

Not like any of that really matters when you can’t play spin though. Get right forward and negate any turn or none turn.

It’s not like England have been undone by a shocking track. They couldn’t play Ajmal on roads in the UAE 10 years ago and still can’t play spin.
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Lee
27/02/2021 09:48:25 3 4
bbc
The pitch may have been a lottery but how come India won so easily batting second? England's selection on three pace bowlers did not help.
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Grb
27/02/2021 09:50:22 1 0
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Let me see : Indian batsmen vs Jack Leach and Joe Root compared to English batsmen vs Axar & Ashwin

I wonder why India won ??
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27/02/2021 09:41:39 9 5
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Why no one is pointing out England won the toss, which , at least in theory, should have given them a huge advantage on such pitch. There were many who said that the first two tests were won by toss. Where have they gone now?
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27/02/2021 09:50:30 3 1
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I was one of those that suggested win the toss, win the match ... if you bat well in the first innings. England didn't.
The Indian bowlers were not unplayable but far more accurate and consistent. They bowled very few bad balls, credit to them.
But I still believe in getting rid of the toss because the result of many test matches, all over the world, are dictated by the toss.
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27/02/2021 09:40:09 6 9
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Two points.

The pitch was the same for both teams.

None of the wickets came from deliveries that misbehave.

On the plus side, Bairstow's batting gives hopes of an England cap for us 52yo club cricketers.
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27/02/2021 09:50:38 4 2
bbc
Either you weren't watching or don't understand the game. The ball turned square again from ball 1 of the test match!!
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27/02/2021 09:23:31 390 74
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It’s fairly obvious what happened.
England won the first test which spooked India, who have subsequently ensured that the pitches since are unplayable.
Of course every home nation is entitled to do so, but in this instance it has come at the cost of entertaining cricket being played.

I was really looking forward to watching it over the weekend, shame!
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Sam
27/02/2021 09:50:44 19 33
bbc
The pitches weren't unplayable - India managed a decent score in the 2nd Test.
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27/02/2021 10:24:23 17 3
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And so would England if they bat first
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27/02/2021 10:47:42 14 2
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It is a combination of both, very unplayable pitch and England not equipped to bowl and bat like India. Plus, when you are used to playing on a bag of flour poured over a dry pond surface then you have a clear advantage.
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27/02/2021 13:09:12 3 1
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Which score are you talking about? If it’s the 49/0 when there is no pressure then your knowledge of cricket is rather limited
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27/02/2021 09:51:01 0 1
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Get past the whingeing of certain 'pundits' and it looks like India let England win the first game just to make the series interesting.
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27/02/2021 09:56:25 0 1
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After their heroics in Australia, India were mentally and physically exhausted. There was hardly any break for them after return from down under. They could not find the energy and intensity to fight in the first test
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27/02/2021 09:41:39 9 5
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Why no one is pointing out England won the toss, which , at least in theory, should have given them a huge advantage on such pitch. There were many who said that the first two tests were won by toss. Where have they gone now?
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27/02/2021 09:51:18 0 1
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Haha they won the toss and wanted 250+ on the board for Jimmy to have a crack with the pink ball under lights late on the first day. Plan failed badly though.
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Bob
27/02/2021 09:46:51 6 8
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If England had won this test inside 2 days you would all be lauding the team and how amazing they are. You lose and it’s just a desperate search for blame. It’s embarrassing
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Grb
27/02/2021 09:51:56 2 1
bbc
Well yes, of course, because for England to win the test on that wicket with Jack Leach and Joe Root as our bowlers would deserve praise.
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27/02/2021 09:52:04 2 1
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Of course the pitch was dreadful. I'm here on a Saturday morning hoping to be watching a Test Match that finished 2 days ago - its a very poor look for test cricket.

But England were terrible. Why? Because they can't play spin on a turning surface.

Remember the ECB docked points from Somerset for producing a turning pitch so guess what, nobody gets to practice playing on one over here.
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Grb
27/02/2021 09:56:36 2 1
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If they’re that terrible and can’t play spin on a turning wicket, can you please explain the 560+ runs scored in the first test.

Did the wicket turn?
Did India play high class spinners?
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27/02/2021 10:05:10 0 0
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If it had been only England's batsmen that had struggled, I'd agree that the loss resulted solely from poor batting. However, when the Indian batsmen can't cope either, the pitch must carry a fair share of the blame. Root taking 5 wickets!
No pressure, whatsoever, on Indian 2nd innings made a huge difference to the approach.
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27/02/2021 09:52:17 1 4
bbc
Umpires. Even if you have an extra review biased umpires will still win a game because of Umpire call. In fact it's even easier for them to make a difference because in always giving the homeside the benefit of 50/50 decisions the umpire doesn't even look like he's cheating.
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27/02/2021 10:01:55 1 0
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Are you putting forth the idea that the umpires were causing England's demise? I think the pink ball allied with a turning wicket and batters freezing like rabbits in the 'test pressure headlights' may have had more to do with it!
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27/02/2021 09:45:56 11 1
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Ok the pitch was poor, but my Nan could have picked a more suitable 11 for that Test....
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Grb
27/02/2021 09:52:34 11 2
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Ed Smith has been a disastrous head of selectors.
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27/02/2021 09:52:45 3 1
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Disappointed that a Test finished with two days.
But how did India score 49 without losing a wicket when batting last?
Perhaps they learnt how to manage the spinners more effectively.
Let's hope the final test makes for a good game, just for the cricket fans.
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Grb
27/02/2021 09:54:53 1 0
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Was it the first 49 run partnership of the match ??

How do you know they would have been 84 all out if they had needed more runs?

You can’t judge a pitch on one partnership and ignore the previous 30
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27/02/2021 09:54:53 2 0
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Much easier to play with zero pressure. The absolute definition of a free hit.
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27/02/2021 09:55:05 3 0
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Complete lack of pressure with the freedom to swing the bat. Add into that, that unless you knock the stumps over, the umpires probably won’t give you out.
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27/02/2021 09:32:21 44 7
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Clearly a poor pitch. But given how the pitches have performed and been prepared so far this series. How dense can Joe Root and the coaching staff be to think picking 1 front-line spinner on that pitch is clever. If Moeen, Bess and Leach had bowled the majority of the overs in that last session on the 1st day it couldve been a victory. India got a head start at 99/3 and the game was already over.
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27/02/2021 09:52:51 11 0
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Pink ball that was swinging all over the place in the days before, according to a post match interview with Root.
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27/02/2021 09:45:09 22 3
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The BCCI were so butthurt after the first test, the second test pitch at Chennai was a disgrace. India winning the toss and Rohit in one day mode from ball one, they knew what they were doing. To follow with an equally bad pitch for the third test. Clap clap clap. Well done on killing test cricket.
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Grb
27/02/2021 09:53:04 10 2
bbc
Exactly right ??
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27/02/2021 09:35:05 5 4
bbc
The pitch was poor but the standard of the batting was even worse.
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27/02/2021 09:53:16 4 1
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When several of the worlds best and skilled batters can't survive on the first two days of a test match, would suggest that the pitch is not fit for purpose
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27/02/2021 10:14:13 0 0
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The word is 'batsmen', please.
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27/02/2021 09:36:47 63 91
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This is why test cricket is best played in england. Variety of conditions are available and the very best players succeed. You only have to look at Warne and Murali to see why England is the best place to play test cricket.
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27/02/2021 09:53:22 21 12
bbc
No this is why test cricket is best played everywhere.
Why should England have a constant advantage?
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27/02/2021 09:34:14 2 2
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Would Dom Bess have contributed more wickets than three of the bowlers and more runs than at least two of the batsmen ?
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27/02/2021 09:54:27 0 0
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Certainly more wickets than the seamers
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27/02/2021 09:54:38 1 0
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How many of the other test matches that ended in two days were not down to the pitch?
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27/02/2021 09:52:45 3 1
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Disappointed that a Test finished with two days.
But how did India score 49 without losing a wicket when batting last?
Perhaps they learnt how to manage the spinners more effectively.
Let's hope the final test makes for a good game, just for the cricket fans.
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Grb
27/02/2021 09:54:53 1 0
bbc
Was it the first 49 run partnership of the match ??

How do you know they would have been 84 all out if they had needed more runs?

You can’t judge a pitch on one partnership and ignore the previous 30