British Airways owner IAG calls for digital health passes
26/02/2021 | news | business | 552
IAG, which owns British Airways and Iberia, makes a record loss after the pandemic grounds flights.
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26/02/2021 10:29:29 6 3
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A petition urging the government not to introduce vaccine passports could be debated by MPs after it gained more than 200,000 signatures.

The online petition says the passports could be "used to restrict the rights of people who have refused a Covid-19 vaccine".

Proof of vaccination could allow people to travel or attend large events.

What is to stop airlines and other countries adopting this?
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26/02/2021 10:34:08 12 4
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First step on the road to Identity cards for EVERYONE
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26/02/2021 10:35:52 4 1
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Absolutely nothing. These will happen in some form as sure as night follows day. Govt needs to be involved in the shaping of these "passports", otherwise that shaping will be done for them and presented to UK citizens as a fait accompli.
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26/02/2021 10:49:43 8 0
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The online petition says the passports could be "used to restrict the rights of people who have refused a Covid-19 vaccine".

This is the exact aim of a vaccine passport
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26/02/2021 11:51:34 0 0
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Nothing. Plus its not like an actual passport is needed. The government has access to your medical records and those will indicate whether you've had the vaccine or not.
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26/02/2021 10:29:48 15 2
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Either governments need to get a grip of certificates, or the airline industry will. One side has a vested interest so will make it happen quickly and smoothly, the others, well....
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26/02/2021 10:33:08 20 9
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I find it hard to accept that these companies still call themselves British!
British Airways is not British, British Gas is not British at least British Steel changed its name to Tata.

Doe this not break trads description rules?
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26/02/2021 10:41:39 17 11
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Only in Britain (no longer great) would the government allow major utilities and the flag carrying airline to be sold off to the highest bidder.
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26/02/2021 11:03:20 5 3
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I'm still reeling over Cadbury. The first signs that the Tories were not fit to run the country. Yes I also would blame the Lib-Dems if there was anything left to blame.
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26/02/2021 14:33:05 4 0
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Just brand names I'm afraid.
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26/02/2021 17:11:12 2 0
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Royal Mail is not Royal. You could go on and on.
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26/02/2021 10:33:58 32 4
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Also in the news, burglars demand all workers return to work so houses will be empty during the day.
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26/02/2021 13:52:03 19 0
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Yes, otherwise they will be disadvantaged and it will be unfair.
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26/02/2021 13:57:07 3 0
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Ha ha ... brill old bean.
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26/02/2021 10:34:02 161 27
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This is inevitable. The pandemic is a public health issue in all Countries. Why on earth would a Country want to import tourists who have not received an inoculation. This is not a human right issue but a public health issue.
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26/02/2021 10:52:17 122 13
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It's nothing to do with BA or Boris, other airlines such as Qantas, Emirates and Etihad are saying the same. Countries such as Spain, Italy, USA, Greece, Thailand and Australia are all indicating they will need vaccination passports.

So if you want to travel abroad, and get back into this country, chances are you will need a vaccination passport. A good incentive to have the jab.
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26/02/2021 11:08:39 14 10
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Why would any country want to import any travellers without a valid negative test (vaccinated or not) when the UK's official health service advice is "There is a chance you might still get or spread coronavirus even if you have the vaccine" so please keep social distancing, wear a mask etc.
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26/02/2021 12:30:37 8 15
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Or we should take this opportunity to reduce travel, especially business, until we can do it in an ecological-friendly manner.
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26/02/2021 13:30:23 12 2
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UK let in 18 million last year during the pandemic
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26/02/2021 14:17:51 8 17
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Sleepwalking in to totally controlled state No thanks, its bad enough we have facial recognition. Rather have the vacine with no Passport and a swab test on entry to a country thanks. QR Codes and Mobile phones for entry to events and countries not a Good idea. It does discriminate i know of people who are too poor to afford a phone, then you have the elderly. Think!!
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26/02/2021 14:24:37 13 3
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No it is not. Being vaccinated does not mean that you cannot carry the virus and spread it. It might reduce the risk but there is no evidence that it will reduce it sufficiently to prevent it from being re-introduced to another country.

This also goes for 'no jab no job'. The point here is : if you don't want to get ill from the virus, get vaccinated. Don't dictate to others. Protect yourself.
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26/02/2021 14:53:14 6 10
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It is a human rights issue , you are assuming that everyone who has not had had the jab is spreading it.
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26/02/2021 17:21:34 0 4
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Yes and round up the queers and jews next. Thank goodness you brought some sanity to the discussion. (BBC this is satire - remember that>?)
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27/02/2021 07:58:14 0 2
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So what about people who can not have the inoculation for medical reasons are they to be discriminated against? Say someone who can not have the inoculation for medical reasons needs to travel aboard because they have a family member in another county that is dying or might have died are you saying these people should not be allowed to go tom this family member?
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27/02/2021 14:54:30 0 1
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No, it is not inevitable. In 1918, Spanish Flu wiped 18000000 lives, no vaccine was on offer and nobody asked for health passports.
Little H.tl..s in industry are just trying hard ti invent a way to segregate poorer from wealthy and to block unworthy us from travel.
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26/02/2021 10:29:29 6 3
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A petition urging the government not to introduce vaccine passports could be debated by MPs after it gained more than 200,000 signatures.

The online petition says the passports could be "used to restrict the rights of people who have refused a Covid-19 vaccine".

Proof of vaccination could allow people to travel or attend large events.

What is to stop airlines and other countries adopting this?
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26/02/2021 10:34:08 12 4
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First step on the road to Identity cards for EVERYONE
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26/02/2021 10:40:00 0 0
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Airlines who are posting massive losses just now may well be the instigators, but it does not beat a negative covid test which everyone travelling by plane has to undertake internationally just now.
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26/02/2021 10:48:43 1 1
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You probably already have an identity card. Your challange is to figure why you haven't!
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26/02/2021 10:35:09 4 4
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The government should be able to assist the airline industry with their new app. After all, our Track and Trace app is world beating.

I'm sure it would be possible to add in another tab or two to the spreadsheet to cater for vaccine info.
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26/02/2021 10:29:29 6 3
bbc
A petition urging the government not to introduce vaccine passports could be debated by MPs after it gained more than 200,000 signatures.

The online petition says the passports could be "used to restrict the rights of people who have refused a Covid-19 vaccine".

Proof of vaccination could allow people to travel or attend large events.

What is to stop airlines and other countries adopting this?
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26/02/2021 10:35:52 4 1
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Absolutely nothing. These will happen in some form as sure as night follows day. Govt needs to be involved in the shaping of these "passports", otherwise that shaping will be done for them and presented to UK citizens as a fait accompli.
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26/02/2021 10:36:28 9 6
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Whats the point of vaccine passports if the vaccinated can still catch and transmit covid (other than perhaps to say the passenger is unlikely to be a burden on the recipient countries health system)?

Surely having a flight full of passengers with recent and valid negative Covid tests is going to remain the safest for some time to come.
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26/02/2021 10:50:57 7 0
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a very good point; test all before leaving for their flight.
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26/02/2021 11:23:22 5 2
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It minimises transmission.
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26/02/2021 18:50:01 0 0
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Use both!
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26/02/2021 10:37:13 18 4
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As long as these health passes are not Globaly accepted they're useless. Tackling a Global problem with local methods wil do nothing to stop it spreading.
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26/02/2021 10:57:29 23 2
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Any company around the world would accept them if it kept their business going.
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26/02/2021 13:49:01 0 2
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Only useless if you intend to travel the whole Glob.
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26/02/2021 10:38:12 88 7
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As long as there is a non digital alternative, fine. Not everyone carries a mobile phone you know.
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26/02/2021 11:00:05 59 3
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I have a mobile but it’s not a smartphone. There must be an alternative. Some older smartphones won’t even let you have the track & trace app.
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26/02/2021 12:28:00 5 2
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How a passport that is scanned by a computer to check who you are... Damn, its already been done.
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26/02/2021 12:30:40 2 20
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You can get one for £9.99 per month unlimited text unlimited data .
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26/02/2021 17:29:41 7 0
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I've got a mobile, but it is not new enough to manage the track and trace app and where I live the signal is a bit ropey so what happens if you can't get a signal? There will need to be a non-digital alternative if they use it for anything other than air travel. I would imagine something like the yellow fever vaccination cards would work fine or 'visa' stamp in your passport.
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26/02/2021 10:38:16 4 3
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We really do not want to go down this path, once it is adopted this type of system with QR Codes can easily be accessed and adopted by other services such as Pubs or Public Transport would they even do this for Retail ? . System will be abused for sure, and what about the elderly or the poor who do not have Smartphones it will 100% lead to discrimination for sure.
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26/02/2021 10:43:50 8 2
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A side effect will be that there is lesser Identity theft , benefit abuse, illegal labour etc.
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26/02/2021 10:38:47 80 9
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Vaccination/test passports for foreign travel will come in whether people in the UK want them or not.
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26/02/2021 10:41:11 11 74
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Remeber when they tried this type of stunt with the poll tax.
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26/02/2021 10:43:42 7 2
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They already exist......not for Covid yet. Uk is in a better position than nearly all other countries in the world as we have vaccinated far more than anyone else. If the passports were brought in now, Hartley anyone in the EU would be able to leave home.
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26/02/2021 10:51:35 4 12
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And you can see the lawyers rubbing their hands together at the thought of all those legal fees when they take clients cases to court as this is against their Human Rights!
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26/02/2021 13:31:43 7 0
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David Icke mentioned this last year
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26/02/2021 10:34:08 12 4
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First step on the road to Identity cards for EVERYONE
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26/02/2021 10:40:00 0 0
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Airlines who are posting massive losses just now may well be the instigators, but it does not beat a negative covid test which everyone travelling by plane has to undertake internationally just now.
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26/02/2021 10:38:47 80 9
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Vaccination/test passports for foreign travel will come in whether people in the UK want them or not.
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26/02/2021 10:41:11 11 74
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Remeber when they tried this type of stunt with the poll tax.
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26/02/2021 10:47:03 21 2
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Poll Tax , great idea extremely badly implemented!!
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26/02/2021 10:49:04 7 10
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Not the same thing. The poll tax was illegal but Margaret Thatcher did not care.

A certificate or as the anti side would say "passport" would be an NHS issued document stating that you had been given the vaccine along with your name and the date of birth and date of vaccine.

Many travel companies will want them for several reasons. One will be insurance but mainly to protect their business
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26/02/2021 13:45:59 10 0
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It’s not a stunt. It’s serious, and international. The so-called poll tax wasn’t international and “poll tax” was a misnomer applied by some opposition mps and propagated by the media. You are now being equally misleading.
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26/02/2021 13:55:51 5 1
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Poll tax was the fairest way... the users of services are the focus for paying for them ....most equitable.
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26/02/2021 14:13:40 0 3
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You didnt read my first comment. "We really do not want to go down this path, once it is adopted this type of system with QR Codes can easily be accessed and adopted by other services such as Pubs or Public Transport would they even do this for Retail ? . System will be abused for sure, and what about the elderly or the poor who do not have Smartphones it will 100% lead to discrimination for sure.
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26/02/2021 14:21:21 4 0
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Irrelevant comment.
It is what all the other (destination) countries require that will drive this activity nothing to do with what UK wants (unless the same).
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26/02/2021 16:05:50 3 0
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You mean the best system of local taxation we have ever had - The Community Charge
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26/02/2021 10:33:08 20 9
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I find it hard to accept that these companies still call themselves British!
British Airways is not British, British Gas is not British at least British Steel changed its name to Tata.

Doe this not break trads description rules?
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26/02/2021 10:41:39 17 11
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Only in Britain (no longer great) would the government allow major utilities and the flag carrying airline to be sold off to the highest bidder.
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26/02/2021 11:10:52 4 2
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Great enough to develop purchase and roll out life saving vaccines
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26/02/2021 10:38:16 4 3
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We really do not want to go down this path, once it is adopted this type of system with QR Codes can easily be accessed and adopted by other services such as Pubs or Public Transport would they even do this for Retail ? . System will be abused for sure, and what about the elderly or the poor who do not have Smartphones it will 100% lead to discrimination for sure.
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26/02/2021 10:43:50 8 2
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A side effect will be that there is lesser Identity theft , benefit abuse, illegal labour etc.
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26/02/2021 10:46:27 3 8
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"British" Airways, the "national flag" carrier. The choice of Brexiteers!!!
BUT!!!
I'll leave them them to work out the irony, and who pockets the profits, when they are there.
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26/02/2021 10:49:29 5 1
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The remainer airline owned by EU companies = expensive and not worth the money.
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26/02/2021 10:53:13 3 1
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Yes the Spanish owned national flag carrier.
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26/02/2021 11:14:13 3 1
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What makes you think that the democratic majority of UK voters who successfully campaigned to leave the EU use BA as the carrier of choice. Is this another ex remain esc delusion.?
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26/02/2021 10:41:11 11 74
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Remeber when they tried this type of stunt with the poll tax.
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26/02/2021 10:47:03 21 2
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Poll Tax , great idea extremely badly implemented!!
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26/02/2021 14:41:42 0 6
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Yep suppose its ok then Boris will screw things up royally. no need to panic.
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26/02/2021 10:34:08 12 4
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First step on the road to Identity cards for EVERYONE
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26/02/2021 10:48:43 1 1
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You probably already have an identity card. Your challange is to figure why you haven't!
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26/02/2021 10:41:11 11 74
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Remeber when they tried this type of stunt with the poll tax.
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26/02/2021 10:49:04 7 10
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Not the same thing. The poll tax was illegal but Margaret Thatcher did not care.

A certificate or as the anti side would say "passport" would be an NHS issued document stating that you had been given the vaccine along with your name and the date of birth and date of vaccine.

Many travel companies will want them for several reasons. One will be insurance but mainly to protect their business
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26/02/2021 10:53:55 3 18
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a certificate should also be illegal
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26/02/2021 13:13:35 17 0
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Please do explain why the Poll tax was illegal.
Considering governments make the laws, can change them to suit and the Judiciary are accountable to the government, which is why why many cases are referred back to parliament.
Remeber this country does not have a constitution and the executive is accountable to the executive which is why laws are changed.
However I am quite willing to see your proof
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27/02/2021 09:32:20 1 0
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How was the poll tax illegal?
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26/02/2021 10:41:11 7 5
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I can’t believe that BA’s owner want people to supply personnel information in digital form. This is a company who lost millions of people’s data online.....
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26/02/2021 10:52:36 6 1
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Don't go counting the amount of times that a UK Government department or one part of the NHS has lost or had leaked personal details. It would blow your head apart.
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26/02/2021 12:07:59 2 0
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Do you not do that when you buy a ticket using your credit/debit card, supply your passport details?
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26/02/2021 10:38:47 80 9
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Vaccination/test passports for foreign travel will come in whether people in the UK want them or not.
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26/02/2021 10:43:42 7 2
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They already exist......not for Covid yet. Uk is in a better position than nearly all other countries in the world as we have vaccinated far more than anyone else. If the passports were brought in now, Hartley anyone in the EU would be able to leave home.
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26/02/2021 14:44:01 1 1
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At least living in Spain we have good weather. currently 20c and sunny.
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26/02/2021 16:59:22 0 0
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good
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26/02/2021 10:46:27 3 8
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"British" Airways, the "national flag" carrier. The choice of Brexiteers!!!
BUT!!!
I'll leave them them to work out the irony, and who pockets the profits, when they are there.
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26/02/2021 10:49:29 5 1
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The remainer airline owned by EU companies = expensive and not worth the money.
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26/02/2021 10:29:29 6 3
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A petition urging the government not to introduce vaccine passports could be debated by MPs after it gained more than 200,000 signatures.

The online petition says the passports could be "used to restrict the rights of people who have refused a Covid-19 vaccine".

Proof of vaccination could allow people to travel or attend large events.

What is to stop airlines and other countries adopting this?
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26/02/2021 10:49:43 8 0
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The online petition says the passports could be "used to restrict the rights of people who have refused a Covid-19 vaccine".

This is the exact aim of a vaccine passport
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26/02/2021 10:49:48 34 5
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It's nothing to do with BA or Boris, other airlines such as Qantas, Emirates and Etihad are saying the same. Countries such as Spain, Italy, USA, Greece, Thailand and Australia are all indicating they will need vaccination passports.

So if you want to travel abroad, and get back into this country, chances are you will need a vaccination passport. A good incentive to have the jab.
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27/02/2021 12:26:23 3 0
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Exactly.

The country to which one wishes to travel has a say in who can enter their country - possibly also those passed through in transit.

Entering foreign countries is a privilege not a right.
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26/02/2021 10:50:33 55 5
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A certificate or as the anti side would say "passport" would be an NHS issued document stating that you had been given the vaccine along with your name and the date of birth and date of vaccine administration.

Many travel companies will want them for several reasons. One will be insurance but mainly to protect their business. With passports and driving licences, why are some so touchy?
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26/02/2021 10:52:38 16 82
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it is an errosion of civil rights , what will they impose next if they get this that is the question
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26/02/2021 14:27:13 1 8
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But an NHS document/App is unlikely to be accepted anywhere else apart from UK. Great for travel in UK but useless internationally.
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26/02/2021 22:29:38 1 1
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How long before counterfeit ones are on sale? And annual vaccines required just like the flu, yet no medical passport for the flu.
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26/02/2021 10:36:28 9 6
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Whats the point of vaccine passports if the vaccinated can still catch and transmit covid (other than perhaps to say the passenger is unlikely to be a burden on the recipient countries health system)?

Surely having a flight full of passengers with recent and valid negative Covid tests is going to remain the safest for some time to come.
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26/02/2021 10:50:57 7 0
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a very good point; test all before leaving for their flight.
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26/02/2021 10:44:41 24 9
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Implement as part of a Nation ID scheme. Vaccination passport and access to services in one solution. This would prevent fraud.
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26/02/2021 10:55:09 11 4
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The glorious government of Tony Blair tried a national ID scheme, after spending £11bil on it, it was scrapped
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26/02/2021 11:07:48 10 2
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I'm saying do it properly and see to completion, other countries have them. Tony Blair's involvement says it all.
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26/02/2021 11:40:21 3 3
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Nothing wrong with it in principle. Open to abuse but legislation can minimise risks. We need to stop being so reluctant to prove who we are at any time. But then Bojo will tell you it's the indomitable bulldog spirit that makes us this way, so it has to be good, same as wearing masks or being fined to break lockdown rules.
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27/02/2021 17:36:05 0 0
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Completely unacceptable for so many reasons that it would take far more than 400 characters to list them. Who is in charge here? You or the yahoos we employ to (mal)administer the country? They answer to US, to you & to me, not the other way around.
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26/02/2021 10:38:47 80 9
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Vaccination/test passports for foreign travel will come in whether people in the UK want them or not.
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26/02/2021 10:51:35 4 12
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And you can see the lawyers rubbing their hands together at the thought of all those legal fees when they take clients cases to court as this is against their Human Rights!
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26/02/2021 13:15:00 10 1
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Its against your "human rights" to have an NHS number/identification card but you get one when you are born in this country.
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26/02/2021 10:34:02 161 27
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This is inevitable. The pandemic is a public health issue in all Countries. Why on earth would a Country want to import tourists who have not received an inoculation. This is not a human right issue but a public health issue.
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26/02/2021 10:52:17 122 13
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It's nothing to do with BA or Boris, other airlines such as Qantas, Emirates and Etihad are saying the same. Countries such as Spain, Italy, USA, Greece, Thailand and Australia are all indicating they will need vaccination passports.

So if you want to travel abroad, and get back into this country, chances are you will need a vaccination passport. A good incentive to have the jab.
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26/02/2021 13:00:43 15 10
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"It's nothing to do with BA or Boris..."

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No, but Boris is blocking vaccination passports citing unspecified difficulties.

What he means is that he's scared witless of the human rights and anti-vaxing brigade. Time he grew a pair and supported business as is expected of the Tories. He could also speed up the opening of restaurants, pubs, cinemas & theatres in the same way.
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26/02/2021 20:28:27 0 3
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I'm afraid it is to do with Boris because he has to declare what his intent is towards foreign nationals entering the UK or are we going to let all and sundry in like last March?
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27/02/2021 08:08:16 0 1
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“In the first lockdown, the dream of normality was what kept people going; it was actively encouraged by some politicians and even some in the doom-laden media. This time, dreams of normality are treated as ‘dysfunction’, as a species of ‘denial,’”
What will you give up to believe you are free!
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26/02/2021 10:41:11 7 5
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I can’t believe that BA’s owner want people to supply personnel information in digital form. This is a company who lost millions of people’s data online.....
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26/02/2021 10:52:36 6 1
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Don't go counting the amount of times that a UK Government department or one part of the NHS has lost or had leaked personal details. It would blow your head apart.
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26/02/2021 11:12:09 0 1
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But this isn’t about the Government, the subject is about BA? So your comment is off topic.
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26/02/2021 10:52:49 16 3
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British Airways owner IAG has called for digital health passes "to reopen our skies safely" as it posted a record loss for 2020 due to Covid disruption. This cant happen soon enough and is inevitable. IATA and all airlines need a common testing system and proof of vaccine to enable passengers to fly in safety.
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26/02/2021 10:46:27 3 8
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"British" Airways, the "national flag" carrier. The choice of Brexiteers!!!
BUT!!!
I'll leave them them to work out the irony, and who pockets the profits, when they are there.
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26/02/2021 10:53:13 3 1
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Yes the Spanish owned national flag carrier.
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26/02/2021 10:58:43 2 2
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Iberia is owned by IAG - IAG is listed on the London Stock Exchange and its owned by its shareholders
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26/02/2021 10:54:41 45 10
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Will need Nicola to agree to that

So it will not happen....will need to moan about what ever system is suggested and ask for something stupid to make political points

Like a Scotland flag on the Scottish ones and free to students

Mind you she might not be there long to object

Will be the biggest cheer from me since Scotland won the grand slam.
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26/02/2021 13:25:21 7 19
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Biggest cheer from the majority of Scots will be when you are true to you word and leave the country.
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26/02/2021 10:44:41 24 9
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Implement as part of a Nation ID scheme. Vaccination passport and access to services in one solution. This would prevent fraud.
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26/02/2021 10:55:09 11 4
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The glorious government of Tony Blair tried a national ID scheme, after spending £11bil on it, it was scrapped
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26/02/2021 10:46:27 3 8
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"British" Airways, the "national flag" carrier. The choice of Brexiteers!!!
BUT!!!
I'll leave them them to work out the irony, and who pockets the profits, when they are there.
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26/02/2021 10:50:33 55 5
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A certificate or as the anti side would say "passport" would be an NHS issued document stating that you had been given the vaccine along with your name and the date of birth and date of vaccine administration.

Many travel companies will want them for several reasons. One will be insurance but mainly to protect their business. With passports and driving licences, why are some so touchy?
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mc
26/02/2021 10:52:38 16 82
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it is an errosion of civil rights , what will they impose next if they get this that is the question
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26/02/2021 11:41:34 23 3
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Since when has getting on a plane, or indeed using another's business, been a civil right?
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26/02/2021 14:00:09 19 4
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No it isn’t. You don’t have to use it. You can ceremoniously burn it if you like. Just don’t go anywhere. Your freedom of choice.
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26/02/2021 15:04:10 12 3
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Just don't travel then!
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26/02/2021 17:44:36 3 1
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Typical , if you have nothing to hide why be frightened to have one
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26/02/2021 19:44:55 3 1
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Compulsory spelling tests maybe.
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“it is an errosion of civil rights”...

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You’ll probably be up in arms if they introduce a compulsory ID number before you are able to earn a wage. Oh, hang on, that’s what the National Insurance Number is.
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mc
What an unbelievably ridiculous statement it is people lives we are talking about not some "human right" to ware odd coloured socks.
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26/02/2021 10:49:04 7 10
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Not the same thing. The poll tax was illegal but Margaret Thatcher did not care.

A certificate or as the anti side would say "passport" would be an NHS issued document stating that you had been given the vaccine along with your name and the date of birth and date of vaccine.

Many travel companies will want them for several reasons. One will be insurance but mainly to protect their business
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mc
26/02/2021 10:53:55 3 18
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a certificate should also be illegal
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26/02/2021 14:52:27 0 2
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yep agree, and if the vaccine prevented you from having Covid why are they saying that you still can carry the virus and allow you to fly ?
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26/02/2021 10:37:13 18 4
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As long as these health passes are not Globaly accepted they're useless. Tackling a Global problem with local methods wil do nothing to stop it spreading.
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26/02/2021 10:57:29 23 2
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Any company around the world would accept them if it kept their business going.
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26/02/2021 14:25:24 2 1
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But would the destination country?
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26/02/2021 10:58:16 3 6
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The worry I have with these passports is for people with acute mitigating medical circumstances that can’t have the vaccine will not be able to travel if they haven’t been vaccinated, does this mean they will not be able to fly, board cruise ships, go to concerts, enter restaurants and so on… where will it end? Sounds like something else that’ll be weaponized in the end.
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26/02/2021 11:11:02 3 0
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It's inevitable, the world is too small now for billions of people who want to travel not to, because of a minority of people who could barely travel or do stuff safely anyway can't do. Life has never been fair and it is just a fact however hard you want to deny it, it won't be fairer in the future. There will just be more people who don't have the same choices as the majority - its life lottery.
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26/02/2021 19:04:46 0 0
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Have you heard of exemptions?
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26/02/2021 10:53:13 3 1
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Yes the Spanish owned national flag carrier.
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26/02/2021 10:58:43 2 2
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Iberia is owned by IAG - IAG is listed on the London Stock Exchange and its owned by its shareholders
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26/02/2021 10:38:12 88 7
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As long as there is a non digital alternative, fine. Not everyone carries a mobile phone you know.
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26/02/2021 11:00:05 59 3
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I have a mobile but it’s not a smartphone. There must be an alternative. Some older smartphones won’t even let you have the track & trace app.
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27/02/2021 01:46:14 4 0
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Yes there is an alternative in real life it is called a piece of paper ie "an international certificate of inoculation or vaccination". Some of us are not trapped in this constant mind destroying world of how to manage one's life without referring to an APPS!! Which as an aside once outside the UK and the EU like most mobile phones will probably not function anyway.
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26/02/2021 11:03:01 47 1
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Will passes be devisive? If you decide against testing/vaccines then you won't be able to take holidays abroad and petitions against passes must now be discussed in parliament. Personally I feel left out of lots as I have chosen to self-isolate and avoid crowded places full of folk wearing masks wrongly if at all, so sooner I get vaccine and a pass to visit vaccinated friends/family the better.
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26/02/2021 12:44:31 11 0
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Well that would be your decision. If you could not demonstrate that you were Covid-19 free then you cannot go.
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26/02/2021 10:33:08 20 9
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I find it hard to accept that these companies still call themselves British!
British Airways is not British, British Gas is not British at least British Steel changed its name to Tata.

Doe this not break trads description rules?
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26/02/2021 11:03:20 5 3
bbc
I'm still reeling over Cadbury. The first signs that the Tories were not fit to run the country. Yes I also would blame the Lib-Dems if there was anything left to blame.
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26/02/2021 11:05:59 21 10
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Post Brexit I had to visit local govt here in France with passport photo to have fingerprints taken so I can have a residency card. Are EU people living in UK giving prints? If not, why not? Time for a national id card confirming entitlement to NHS free treatment, right to live in UK, with fingerprints from all.
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26/02/2021 11:16:24 2 4
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A national identity card pass the parcel especially when you can hear it ticking "Jim Hacker YES Prime Minister"
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26/02/2021 11:22:25 8 2
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Full support, the NHS and other services we have paid for in our taxes are being ripped off. I have worked in all seven continents of the world and the UK is the only one I know that do not have an ID card or some sort of government ID. In Germany like France you have to report to the Police once a year even when we were in the EU.
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26/02/2021 16:05:00 5 1
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Agreed - none of the arguments against an ID card wash.

Abuse of the data?? If it was going to happen, it would already have happened for those who hold passports or driving licenses. Identity theft is always an issue but that's MORE likely with the piecemeal system we have now with the government holding all kinds of data on us across a hundred different departments.
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sw
26/02/2021 17:53:29 1 1
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Agree.
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27/02/2021 01:20:53 0 0
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We effectively have a National ID with the passport, driving licence, NI number and NHS number. Almost everyone has at least one of these and most of us have three or four.

It would make sense to link all these bits to a single ID.
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27/02/2021 17:42:03 0 0
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Pre-Brexit, you needed to register at the Marie and have a residence card if you lived in France (my mother-in-law had one, sadly she died in 2019) - so what's the difference?
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26/02/2021 10:34:02 161 27
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This is inevitable. The pandemic is a public health issue in all Countries. Why on earth would a Country want to import tourists who have not received an inoculation. This is not a human right issue but a public health issue.
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26/02/2021 11:08:39 14 10
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Why would any country want to import any travellers without a valid negative test (vaccinated or not) when the UK's official health service advice is "There is a chance you might still get or spread coronavirus even if you have the vaccine" so please keep social distancing, wear a mask etc.
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27/02/2021 01:19:27 3 0
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You are right actually I think this is a point many are forgetting. A valid up to date negative covid test will be required for boarding most flights plus also repeated on arrival at ones destination at ones OWN expense whether one holds valid vaccination certificates (health passports if you like) or not. To protect their own population this cannot be considered an unreasonable policy to follow.
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26/02/2021 11:08:58 5 4
bbc
deferring pension contributions!!!
In reality what that means and certainly what the loyal tory loons the bbc wont tell you is that IAG will still take pension contributions from its employees but wont pay them into the pension pot. ten years down the line they will shout about how the pension pot is in deficit but of course will never say how or why it got that way
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26/02/2021 11:37:59 0 2
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True, but maybe the employees would be prepared to sacrifice some contributions in the short term to remain employed in the long term, do they need your permission for that?
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26/02/2021 11:09:21 40 8
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Which one will you be most happy with? A one time NHS issued certificate of vaccination costing you nothing or a letter charged at say £10 a time every time you wish to travel abroad? Those who are anti vaccine can live in their own little crazy world at home in their wonderfully weird little heads.
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jj
26/02/2021 22:33:40 2 1
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A letter costing £10 hope you are not expecting that from a GP they will want a lot more than £10 for private work.
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27/02/2021 06:04:46 1 0
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Many Brexiters actually boast about not needing passports, so this issue won’t dislodge many tinfoil hats in that department?
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26/02/2021 11:10:41 5 16
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Planes need to stop flying perminantly to save the planet
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26/02/2021 11:26:07 3 2
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No more foreign fruit and veg for you then... and I assume you don't eat meat or fish ... so it's potatoes, carrots, cabbage, apples and pears for you. Don't forget all your vitamin supplements.
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26/02/2021 11:36:15 1 0
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Do you have a spell checker?
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26/02/2021 10:58:16 3 6
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The worry I have with these passports is for people with acute mitigating medical circumstances that can’t have the vaccine will not be able to travel if they haven’t been vaccinated, does this mean they will not be able to fly, board cruise ships, go to concerts, enter restaurants and so on… where will it end? Sounds like something else that’ll be weaponized in the end.
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26/02/2021 11:11:02 3 0
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It's inevitable, the world is too small now for billions of people who want to travel not to, because of a minority of people who could barely travel or do stuff safely anyway can't do. Life has never been fair and it is just a fact however hard you want to deny it, it won't be fairer in the future. There will just be more people who don't have the same choices as the majority - its life lottery.
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26/02/2021 12:04:22 3 0
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Agreed, and if you pander to the minority the majority won't be able to do anything. That will not help the economy recover. And as been mentioned many times it doesn't matter if we do or don't, other countries won't let you in without vaccination proof so if you want to go to certain countries you either get proof or don't go.
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26/02/2021 10:54:47 2 13
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Would IAG be prepared to hold people down and forcibly vaccinate them. Because, no matter what they tell themselves, what they are asking for is, to all intents and purposes, the equivalent.

Once any such pass is produced it will be used very widely to discriminate against people: thus FORCING them to get vaccinated.
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26/02/2021 11:18:50 13 2
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We discriminate amongst people all the time - under 18 are discriminated against going into the pub, men are discriminated against going into the women's toilet, some countries discriminate with visitors on yellow-fever requiring a vaccination cert, covid can be no different.
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26/02/2021 11:35:29 4 0
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No pass - no fly.
No like? Tough.
Think it's discrimination? Call a lawyer, see how you get on with that.
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26/02/2021 15:59:16 4 0
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You cannot travel without a passport - to obtain a passport requires a photograph to be taken.

Some people refuse photographs because they believe it takes away part of their soul.

Perhaps we should start a campaign against passports because they discriminate against these people eh?

Sound dumb?

That's how you come across David, to anyone with a bit of sense.
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26/02/2021 19:10:57 0 0
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The vaccine is voluntary, sous air travel. Where’s the ‘force’?
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mc
26/02/2021 10:55:30 0 8
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what i do not get is a jab does not stop you spreading infection so what does a company gain from it, if it is like mask wearers they do less social distancing and do not wash hands so more likely to infect others
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26/02/2021 11:16:41 12 0
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Actually it does minimise transmission.
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26/02/2021 11:14:27 4 3
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IAG anything to shift the costs to someone else ergo the UK taxpayer!!
Another outstanding thought from blitains airline!!
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26/02/2021 11:05:59 21 10
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Post Brexit I had to visit local govt here in France with passport photo to have fingerprints taken so I can have a residency card. Are EU people living in UK giving prints? If not, why not? Time for a national id card confirming entitlement to NHS free treatment, right to live in UK, with fingerprints from all.
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26/02/2021 11:16:24 2 4
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A national identity card pass the parcel especially when you can hear it ticking "Jim Hacker YES Prime Minister"
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26/02/2021 14:06:04 0 0
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Uh?
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mc
26/02/2021 10:55:30 0 8
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what i do not get is a jab does not stop you spreading infection so what does a company gain from it, if it is like mask wearers they do less social distancing and do not wash hands so more likely to infect others
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26/02/2021 11:16:41 12 0
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Actually it does minimise transmission.
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26/02/2021 10:44:41 24 9
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Implement as part of a Nation ID scheme. Vaccination passport and access to services in one solution. This would prevent fraud.
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26/02/2021 11:07:48 10 2
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I'm saying do it properly and see to completion, other countries have them. Tony Blair's involvement says it all.
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26/02/2021 13:58:03 9 2
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Yes. Anyone objecting to being identified for a proper purpose is- or is intending to be- up to no good. Let’s stop pratting about and just do it, ID cards and all. The whingers can stay at home and do nothing... oh, sorry, is that discriminatory?
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26/02/2021 10:41:39 17 11
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Only in Britain (no longer great) would the government allow major utilities and the flag carrying airline to be sold off to the highest bidder.
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26/02/2021 11:10:52 4 2
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Great enough to develop purchase and roll out life saving vaccines
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26/02/2021 12:20:14 4 8
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To be fair, they had to throw money at it to sort it, as they had put us in the poo with their handling of the lockdown and PPE at the beginning of the pandemic.
Too busy "Getting Brexit Done" for his paymasters and blinkered followers.
Pandemic is (rightly) taking the main news now, but as we get on top of it, the true cost of Brexit will start to take over instead.
Total shambles from Boris
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26/02/2021 10:52:36 6 1
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Don't go counting the amount of times that a UK Government department or one part of the NHS has lost or had leaked personal details. It would blow your head apart.
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26/02/2021 11:12:09 0 1
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But this isn’t about the Government, the subject is about BA? So your comment is off topic.
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26/02/2021 12:36:05 0 0
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No, they were commenting on your comment, so hardly off-topic.
Also, are you aware of the difference between 'Personal' and 'Personnel'
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26/02/2021 10:54:47 2 13
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Would IAG be prepared to hold people down and forcibly vaccinate them. Because, no matter what they tell themselves, what they are asking for is, to all intents and purposes, the equivalent.

Once any such pass is produced it will be used very widely to discriminate against people: thus FORCING them to get vaccinated.
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26/02/2021 11:18:50 13 2
bbc
We discriminate amongst people all the time - under 18 are discriminated against going into the pub, men are discriminated against going into the women's toilet, some countries discriminate with visitors on yellow-fever requiring a vaccination cert, covid can be no different.
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26/02/2021 10:46:27 3 8
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"British" Airways, the "national flag" carrier. The choice of Brexiteers!!!
BUT!!!
I'll leave them them to work out the irony, and who pockets the profits, when they are there.
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26/02/2021 11:14:13 3 1
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What makes you think that the democratic majority of UK voters who successfully campaigned to leave the EU use BA as the carrier of choice. Is this another ex remain esc delusion.?
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26/02/2021 13:23:24 0 0
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Not being a Brexiteer gives me, and millions of others, a distinct advantage. Cognitive skills!
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26/02/2021 11:05:59 21 10
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Post Brexit I had to visit local govt here in France with passport photo to have fingerprints taken so I can have a residency card. Are EU people living in UK giving prints? If not, why not? Time for a national id card confirming entitlement to NHS free treatment, right to live in UK, with fingerprints from all.
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26/02/2021 11:22:25 8 2
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Full support, the NHS and other services we have paid for in our taxes are being ripped off. I have worked in all seven continents of the world and the UK is the only one I know that do not have an ID card or some sort of government ID. In Germany like France you have to report to the Police once a year even when we were in the EU.
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26/02/2021 10:36:28 9 6
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Whats the point of vaccine passports if the vaccinated can still catch and transmit covid (other than perhaps to say the passenger is unlikely to be a burden on the recipient countries health system)?

Surely having a flight full of passengers with recent and valid negative Covid tests is going to remain the safest for some time to come.
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26/02/2021 11:23:22 5 2
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It minimises transmission.
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26/02/2021 11:25:20 1 4
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I am sure in the sick live of a CEO and his only purpose in live for profit the airlines will give you one for 10.99 as an extra if you pay for one lol with or without the jab
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26/02/2021 11:25:28 122 14
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I can't wait to see the cries of unfair unfair when a Vac refusnik finds he/she can't go traveling because another country has the audacity to want to protect its citizens. I wonder how many of the petitioners will be crawling off quietly to their GP when the penny drops that regardless of what we do others WILL be bringing in some sort of travel restriction for people not vaccinated.
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26/02/2021 12:17:11 34 123
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This would be outrageously unfair if it means no-one under 50 is allowed on holiday... as we haven't been offered our jabs yet and might not be till September.
If anyone deserves a holiday this year it's the workers and the young... not the pensioners.
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26/02/2021 13:31:02 4 0
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still have to be tested for covid
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26/02/2021 14:55:39 4 1
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Of some No win No fee lawyers to take whoever has refused them to take them to court. Hopefully the first judge it comes in front of throws it out and tells them not to come back.
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27/02/2021 07:38:06 1 0
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The hypocrisy of people saying others are selfish because they want to go on holiday if funny. It is NOT fair if those who cant get vaccine are restricted while those that have are allowed go abroad. The young were sold the line of "we are all in this together, stay in to save granny". But then anyone that has had the vaccine decides its unfair if they have to stay in.
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26/02/2021 11:25:50 3 2
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"We're calling for international common testing standards and the introduction of digital health passes to reopen our skies safely,"

International testing standards. How long is that going to take. I would guess years.
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26/02/2021 11:27:38 6 5
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IAG/BA - another bunch of shysters to avoid.
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kr1
26/02/2021 11:30:30 2 8
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bit of a contradiction - health passes to fly - pollution from jet engines has a long term detrimental affect on people's health
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26/02/2021 12:26:38 3 0
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Pollution from cars is many times worse. Start there.
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26/02/2021 16:07:14 1 0
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Not even remotely true - the emissions from jet engines occur in the upper atmosphere - by the time they reach ground level they're harmless.

You're confusing particulates/diesel/health issues with global warming/co2. You're probably confused about a lot of other things too.
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26/02/2021 11:10:41 5 16
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Planes need to stop flying perminantly to save the planet
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26/02/2021 11:26:07 3 2
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No more foreign fruit and veg for you then... and I assume you don't eat meat or fish ... so it's potatoes, carrots, cabbage, apples and pears for you. Don't forget all your vitamin supplements.
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26/02/2021 11:46:31 0 0
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And their quinoa and avocado!
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26/02/2021 11:54:39 0 0
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A small price to pay to save the planet
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26/02/2021 10:54:47 2 13
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Would IAG be prepared to hold people down and forcibly vaccinate them. Because, no matter what they tell themselves, what they are asking for is, to all intents and purposes, the equivalent.

Once any such pass is produced it will be used very widely to discriminate against people: thus FORCING them to get vaccinated.
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26/02/2021 11:35:29 4 0
bbc
No pass - no fly.
No like? Tough.
Think it's discrimination? Call a lawyer, see how you get on with that.
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26/02/2021 11:10:41 5 16
bbc
Planes need to stop flying perminantly to save the planet
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26/02/2021 11:36:15 1 0
bbc
Do you have a spell checker?
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26/02/2021 11:55:07 1 0
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Of corse I have
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26/02/2021 11:08:58 5 4
bbc
deferring pension contributions!!!
In reality what that means and certainly what the loyal tory loons the bbc wont tell you is that IAG will still take pension contributions from its employees but wont pay them into the pension pot. ten years down the line they will shout about how the pension pot is in deficit but of course will never say how or why it got that way
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26/02/2021 11:37:59 0 2
bbc
True, but maybe the employees would be prepared to sacrifice some contributions in the short term to remain employed in the long term, do they need your permission for that?
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26/02/2021 17:22:34 1 0
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not true
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26/02/2021 10:44:41 24 9
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Implement as part of a Nation ID scheme. Vaccination passport and access to services in one solution. This would prevent fraud.
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26/02/2021 11:40:21 3 3
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Nothing wrong with it in principle. Open to abuse but legislation can minimise risks. We need to stop being so reluctant to prove who we are at any time. But then Bojo will tell you it's the indomitable bulldog spirit that makes us this way, so it has to be good, same as wearing masks or being fined to break lockdown rules.
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mc
26/02/2021 10:52:38 16 82
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it is an errosion of civil rights , what will they impose next if they get this that is the question
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26/02/2021 11:41:34 23 3
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Since when has getting on a plane, or indeed using another's business, been a civil right?
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26/02/2021 11:45:34 0 1
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It is about what national governments want not airline bosses. There are so many fake test certificates out there at the moment. Airlines are accepting them.
BA needs to concentrate on making sure it's staff are up to date with training and their aircraft are properly maintained to be ready for travel returning.
So many staff have lost their jobs!
So many aircraft disposed of!
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26/02/2021 12:26:13 1 0
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Yes and no. Aeroplanes have been criticised by many for not keeping passengers safe. Whilst it is a total lie, they are entitled to do something to try to rectify that misinformation. Business owners, under Health and Safety, can insist on vaccination proof, should they desire to do so.
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26/02/2021 11:46:04 2 3
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It's the SMART thing to do. If we had had Tony Blair's idea of ID cards, like most European Countries we would not have an illegal immigration problem, DSS fraud and have imported so many foreign variants of COVID. It's time for this Boris and his Cronies to GET SMART!!
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26/02/2021 11:52:56 3 0
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Illegals have always been cheap labour. Antislavery laws have changed that.
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26/02/2021 12:05:29 1 0
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Tony Blairs government spent £11bil on ID cards, and it didn't work
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26/02/2021 15:53:51 2 0
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1) There are hardly any illegal immigrants in the UK
2) Nearly ALL of the UK cases imported were by returning Brits - in particular those returning from ski trips to North Italy last Feb/March.

Agree with you on DSS fraud though.

Given how many have driving licenses/passports, the arguments trotted out in opposition of ID cards are quite ridiculous.
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26/02/2021 11:26:07 3 2
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No more foreign fruit and veg for you then... and I assume you don't eat meat or fish ... so it's potatoes, carrots, cabbage, apples and pears for you. Don't forget all your vitamin supplements.
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26/02/2021 11:46:31 0 0
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And their quinoa and avocado!
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26/02/2021 11:47:08 1 3
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This is extremely important for the progress of mankind! It is even more important than the renaming companies to be gender neutral...and that is very very important to !! Bring it all on!
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26/02/2021 17:50:43 0 0
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"Mankind" is not gender neutral, personkind would fit the bill.
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Jim
26/02/2021 11:47:41 15 8
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Its been nice with less planes in the sky - and less atmospheric pollution
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26/02/2021 12:06:37 9 4
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Most of the PM2.5 in cities is from wood burning stoves
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sw
26/02/2021 17:58:31 0 0
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It has been lovely.
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26/02/2021 11:49:13 0 7
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Knowing how incompetent the government is, I'd rather not have this. More costs and unnecessary faff
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26/02/2021 11:51:16 5 1
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Aircraft kills birds, airports shoot birds. Lovely without the aircraft.
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NP
26/02/2021 12:09:04 1 1
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Yes, the air industry is nothing but monstrosity on nature and life around.
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26/02/2021 12:22:41 0 0
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Toffs shoot birds.
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26/02/2021 17:19:39 0 0
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And most people eat birds
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26/02/2021 10:29:29 6 3
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A petition urging the government not to introduce vaccine passports could be debated by MPs after it gained more than 200,000 signatures.

The online petition says the passports could be "used to restrict the rights of people who have refused a Covid-19 vaccine".

Proof of vaccination could allow people to travel or attend large events.

What is to stop airlines and other countries adopting this?
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26/02/2021 11:51:34 0 0
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Nothing. Plus its not like an actual passport is needed. The government has access to your medical records and those will indicate whether you've had the vaccine or not.
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27/02/2021 10:07:28 0 0
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Like the government records that showed a guy was 8.2 cm high?!
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26/02/2021 11:51:38 4 4
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Keep them closed, and encourage people to spend their money in there own country.
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26/02/2021 11:54:35 2 1
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love it 'encourage''.... no force to spend their money in their own country.

No thanks!
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26/02/2021 12:22:20 1 0
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I'll spend my money wherever I wish, and there is nothing you can do about that.
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26/02/2021 11:46:04 2 3
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It's the SMART thing to do. If we had had Tony Blair's idea of ID cards, like most European Countries we would not have an illegal immigration problem, DSS fraud and have imported so many foreign variants of COVID. It's time for this Boris and his Cronies to GET SMART!!
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26/02/2021 11:52:56 3 0
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Illegals have always been cheap labour. Antislavery laws have changed that.
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26/02/2021 12:23:16 1 0
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No legitimate employer ever uses "illegals"
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26/02/2021 11:26:07 3 2
bbc
No more foreign fruit and veg for you then... and I assume you don't eat meat or fish ... so it's potatoes, carrots, cabbage, apples and pears for you. Don't forget all your vitamin supplements.
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26/02/2021 11:54:39 0 0
bbc
A small price to pay to save the planet
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26/02/2021 11:36:15 1 0
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Do you have a spell checker?
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26/02/2021 11:55:07 1 0
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Of corse I have
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26/02/2021 11:55:21 2 4
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This is just another way for private companies to scam the working class out of hard earned money. Stop being silly, this will again cost the individual and need to be updated multi times a year. Even with the jab, you are still a carrier, give it time and it will mutate
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26/02/2021 11:55:51 3 2
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Use the trains to cross countries like we used to. It takes a bit longer but you see the countryside and do not destroy wildlife so much. Take time and stop rushing about for no reason. Let's all slow down again, there will be less illness and more humour.
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26/02/2021 12:04:08 0 0
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Easy in some circumstances impossible in others. My friends live in Kent - 45 mins by car or 3 different train journeys. One into London, one across London, one out to Kent. No thanks
302
26/02/2021 17:36:02 0 0
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How many trains go to the I O W or G, J or IOM etc etc.
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26/02/2021 11:59:28 4 3
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Turkeys voting for Pancake Tuesday methinks!!...how do they explain the recent
Oz Open Tennis tournament...where participants were tested (negative) before travelling there....and when tested upon arrival in Oz...tested positive!....so much for health passes!
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26/02/2021 12:10:54 4 0
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The "health pass" is not a test - it is a certification that the individual has been vaccinated. None of the tennis players had been vaccinated. Totally different.
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26/02/2021 12:17:05 0 0
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The problem being, you can be tested, show negative, and ten minutes later be infected.
113
26/02/2021 12:24:23 0 1
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so get vaccinated
86
26/02/2021 11:51:38 4 4
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Keep them closed, and encourage people to spend their money in there own country.
93
26/02/2021 11:54:35 2 1
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love it 'encourage''.... no force to spend their money in their own country.

No thanks!
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26/02/2021 11:55:51 3 2
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Use the trains to cross countries like we used to. It takes a bit longer but you see the countryside and do not destroy wildlife so much. Take time and stop rushing about for no reason. Let's all slow down again, there will be less illness and more humour.
94
26/02/2021 12:04:08 0 0
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Easy in some circumstances impossible in others. My friends live in Kent - 45 mins by car or 3 different train journeys. One into London, one across London, one out to Kent. No thanks
52
26/02/2021 11:11:02 3 0
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It's inevitable, the world is too small now for billions of people who want to travel not to, because of a minority of people who could barely travel or do stuff safely anyway can't do. Life has never been fair and it is just a fact however hard you want to deny it, it won't be fairer in the future. There will just be more people who don't have the same choices as the majority - its life lottery.
95
26/02/2021 12:04:22 3 0
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Agreed, and if you pander to the minority the majority won't be able to do anything. That will not help the economy recover. And as been mentioned many times it doesn't matter if we do or don't, other countries won't let you in without vaccination proof so if you want to go to certain countries you either get proof or don't go.
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26/02/2021 11:46:04 2 3
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It's the SMART thing to do. If we had had Tony Blair's idea of ID cards, like most European Countries we would not have an illegal immigration problem, DSS fraud and have imported so many foreign variants of COVID. It's time for this Boris and his Cronies to GET SMART!!
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26/02/2021 12:05:29 1 0
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Tony Blairs government spent £11bil on ID cards, and it didn't work
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26/02/2021 12:19:20 2 1
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It seems to work quite well in all countries that have them. Why not the UK?
114
26/02/2021 12:24:43 1 2
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Could have worked, but the Tories scrapped it, thus wasting all the money spent on it.
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Jim
26/02/2021 11:47:41 15 8
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Its been nice with less planes in the sky - and less atmospheric pollution
97
26/02/2021 12:06:37 9 4
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Most of the PM2.5 in cities is from wood burning stoves
250
26/02/2021 15:27:53 1 1
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They smell great.
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26/02/2021 10:41:11 7 5
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I can’t believe that BA’s owner want people to supply personnel information in digital form. This is a company who lost millions of people’s data online.....
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26/02/2021 12:07:59 2 0
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Do you not do that when you buy a ticket using your credit/debit card, supply your passport details?
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26/02/2021 12:08:14 32 6
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"British Airways owner IAG has called for digital health passes "to reopen our skies safely"

Quite right too !!

No vacination certificate, no entry.
Any Brits returning from their Hols. in Barbados or Benidorm current self isolation rules apply.

Vacination certificates will also make bars, restaurants, cinemas etc safer and allow them to open up quicker and safer.
No certificate, no entry
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26/02/2021 12:15:51 5 25
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And what of those that cannot get the vaccine for health/religious reasons? We really shouldn't encourage more of a two tier society than that already in existence.
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27/02/2021 07:41:58 0 0
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I agree, but not until everyone has been offered the vaccine.
84
26/02/2021 11:51:16 5 1
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Aircraft kills birds, airports shoot birds. Lovely without the aircraft.
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NP
26/02/2021 12:09:04 1 1
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Yes, the air industry is nothing but monstrosity on nature and life around.