Furlough numbers climb sharply in January to 4.7 million
25/02/2021 | news | business | 135
The number of people on furlough rises by 700,000 to 4.7 million after fresh lockdown measures imposed.
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25/02/2021 15:34:34 8 5
bbc
Not really a surprise. Unemployment delayed.
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25/02/2021 15:48:07 27 2
bbc
It's hardly surprising the number of furloughed people has increased, when businesses have been forced to close by government regulations
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25/02/2021 16:49:36 5 6
bbc
That's why absolutely nobody is surprised.

The grownups are interested in the detail and the numbers however.
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26/02/2021 09:48:21 0 0
bbc
Do you know many new businesses are registering for vat, as they are receiving more income into their Business bank accounts? The government is just feeding the pegions, to give free money without checking the credit side , an wooing policy from the 10/12 D street to ....
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25/02/2021 15:57:39 11 18
bbc
Tory Party want to crush small business so thousands of empty shop space can be picked up cheap by Investment Banks and Hedge Funds, who then donate a nice Thank You to the Government..happening already across hundreds of Market Towns in England
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25/02/2021 16:20:30 11 6
bbc
You must be sitting in an attic reading 'Socialist Worker' and wacky online conspiracy theories.
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25/02/2021 16:38:26 2 0
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?????
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25/02/2021 17:23:02 3 0
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Why would they want these properties? The whole high street and office landscape has changed forever.
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25/02/2021 16:06:23 9 4
bbc
We're going to have to pay for all this, one way or another.

The best way is for us to get ourselves in gear and figure out a long term plan. Short term pain for long term gain will benefit everyone, these constant 5 year horizons are very unhelpful to improving our standard of living.
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25/02/2021 16:08:59 7 0
bbc
One suggestion I have for our long term financial security is when it comes to public sector facilities, such as leisure centres, that it be a rule for a small share of revenue (say 2%) be put aside and ringfenced in a fund so that when the inevitable time comes for its renewal, a large chunk of money is already there to make it affordable to do so.

The benefit over our lifetimes would be huge.
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25/02/2021 16:23:52 2 2
bbc
You might not wish for short term pain if it’s your job on the line or your family faces are being evicted.
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25/02/2021 16:24:55 0 0
bbc
It’ll be paid through the inflation tax, no need to raise income, cooperate taxes etc when you can fire up the magic money tree
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25/02/2021 16:07:29 8 10
bbc
Good to see the support but very sad to hear the amount of corruption and fraud that has stolen much of the tax payers money too. Pretty BAU for this Tory government though.
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25/02/2021 16:19:05 8 4
bbc
How do you think a Corbyn government would have done?
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25/02/2021 16:06:23 9 4
bbc
We're going to have to pay for all this, one way or another.

The best way is for us to get ourselves in gear and figure out a long term plan. Short term pain for long term gain will benefit everyone, these constant 5 year horizons are very unhelpful to improving our standard of living.
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25/02/2021 16:08:59 7 0
bbc
One suggestion I have for our long term financial security is when it comes to public sector facilities, such as leisure centres, that it be a rule for a small share of revenue (say 2%) be put aside and ringfenced in a fund so that when the inevitable time comes for its renewal, a large chunk of money is already there to make it affordable to do so.

The benefit over our lifetimes would be huge.
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25/02/2021 18:23:10 0 0
bbc
Budgeting for capital replacement is a good idea, be it birthdays, Christmas, a new(er) car or a leisure centre. The only 2 ways I can think to do that are; spend less on something else or increase funds from the source. Both options have drawbacks as HYSers are quick to jump on. And we're all aware of the arguments about councils holding reserves. Increasing entrance fees would solve the issue.
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25/02/2021 16:07:29 8 10
bbc
Good to see the support but very sad to hear the amount of corruption and fraud that has stolen much of the tax payers money too. Pretty BAU for this Tory government though.
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25/02/2021 16:19:05 8 4
bbc
How do you think a Corbyn government would have done?
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25/02/2021 16:57:59 3 5
bbc
You'd have been raging had Corbyn furloughed millions of workers, "Communism" and such guff
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26/02/2021 11:33:14 0 0
bbc
...could Corbyn have done worse than where we are now in UK? Hard to believe that! Where does one start?
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25/02/2021 15:57:39 11 18
bbc
Tory Party want to crush small business so thousands of empty shop space can be picked up cheap by Investment Banks and Hedge Funds, who then donate a nice Thank You to the Government..happening already across hundreds of Market Towns in England
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25/02/2021 16:20:30 11 6
bbc
You must be sitting in an attic reading 'Socialist Worker' and wacky online conspiracy theories.
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26/02/2021 11:35:27 0 0
bbc
...short term loss for long term gain!
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25/02/2021 16:06:23 9 4
bbc
We're going to have to pay for all this, one way or another.

The best way is for us to get ourselves in gear and figure out a long term plan. Short term pain for long term gain will benefit everyone, these constant 5 year horizons are very unhelpful to improving our standard of living.
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25/02/2021 16:23:52 2 2
bbc
You might not wish for short term pain if it’s your job on the line or your family faces are being evicted.
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25/02/2021 16:23:59 2 0
bbc
Oop, they’re going in the wrong direction ??
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25/02/2021 16:06:23 9 4
bbc
We're going to have to pay for all this, one way or another.

The best way is for us to get ourselves in gear and figure out a long term plan. Short term pain for long term gain will benefit everyone, these constant 5 year horizons are very unhelpful to improving our standard of living.
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25/02/2021 16:24:55 0 0
bbc
It’ll be paid through the inflation tax, no need to raise income, cooperate taxes etc when you can fire up the magic money tree
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25/02/2021 15:57:39 11 18
bbc
Tory Party want to crush small business so thousands of empty shop space can be picked up cheap by Investment Banks and Hedge Funds, who then donate a nice Thank You to the Government..happening already across hundreds of Market Towns in England
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25/02/2021 16:38:26 2 0
bbc
?????
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25/02/2021 16:41:14 15 6
bbc
Personally people have been support by the furlough should be responsible for paying it back. Maybe not all of it, but certainly 1% back a year for how every long it takes would be reasonable. Then all the fraudulent case will be brought to the attention of HMRC pretty quickly.
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25/02/2021 17:03:25 15 1
bbc
I think the amount of fraud involved with the furlough scheme is off the scale. I know, for a fact, that may of the local pubs near me furloughed all their staff but then continued to employ them to run a takeaway service during lockdown. This issue must be widespread nationwide.
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25/02/2021 17:06:17 0 0
bbc
Why does Hmrc have the staff to cope
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25/02/2021 17:21:19 7 3
bbc
Who should pay it back, employer or employee? Seems like a double hit for the recipient, lose 20% of your pay through no fault of your own and by the way pay it all back with an extra tax charge. Nonsense.
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25/02/2021 21:49:18 1 0
bbc
I should imagine furlough fraud pales in comparison to self employed schemes. Sad but true.
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25/02/2021 15:48:07 27 2
bbc
It's hardly surprising the number of furloughed people has increased, when businesses have been forced to close by government regulations
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25/02/2021 16:49:36 5 6
bbc
That's why absolutely nobody is surprised.

The grownups are interested in the detail and the numbers however.
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26/02/2021 10:57:04 1 0
bbc
..Wise one? The point is "forced to close by Government regulation" in case you missed it recently.
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25/02/2021 16:55:24 21 1
bbc
Though the furlough scheme is a very good one, our children and grandchildren will still be the ones paying off the huge bill.

Bear in mind, we only finished paying America off for our WWII bill about ten years ago!
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25/02/2021 18:50:22 8 5
bbc
We didn't pay off the debt we got into for compensating slavers in 1836 until 2015.
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25/02/2021 16:19:05 8 4
bbc
How do you think a Corbyn government would have done?
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25/02/2021 16:57:59 3 5
bbc
You'd have been raging had Corbyn furloughed millions of workers, "Communism" and such guff
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25/02/2021 17:00:08 13 13
bbc
I resent having to pay for furloughed workers whilst I work relentlessly. Where is the bonus for people who haven't been furloughed and continue to pay their taxes?
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25/02/2021 17:10:15 16 3
bbc
I'm delighted to have been able to work throughout - my bonus is that I am thankful that I still have a job.
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25/02/2021 17:16:46 4 1
bbc
Ridiculous comment, if their business is closed and they’re 20% down on their pay, I don’t resent them, I’m thankful that it’s not me. As yet, nobody has asked me to contribute to the furlough scheme, unlucky that you have. How much are you paying and over what period?
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BOF
25/02/2021 17:22:50 1 1
bbc
I do think the government could have paid a bonus to all those who have had to keep working and dealing face to face with the public such as NHS staff, transport staff supermarket staff, police, teachers etc.
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25/02/2021 17:28:17 3 0
bbc
I’m on furlough and I’m still paying Income tax and National Insurance
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25/02/2021 16:55:58 1 1
bbc
The detail of this report giving precise numbers for unemployed and furloughed will confuse many simple HYS readers who will just babble nonsense about it was obvious the numbers would increase.

Too complicated for many to grasp the detail.
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25/02/2021 16:41:14 15 6
bbc
Personally people have been support by the furlough should be responsible for paying it back. Maybe not all of it, but certainly 1% back a year for how every long it takes would be reasonable. Then all the fraudulent case will be brought to the attention of HMRC pretty quickly.
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25/02/2021 17:03:25 15 1
bbc
I think the amount of fraud involved with the furlough scheme is off the scale. I know, for a fact, that may of the local pubs near me furloughed all their staff but then continued to employ them to run a takeaway service during lockdown. This issue must be widespread nationwide.
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25/02/2021 18:54:23 3 0
bbc
It is tricky because you can't really dob your mates in. But I know loads of people who claimed various of the handouts, but carried on working cash in hand. My business has struggled on without a single bit of government generosity.
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25/02/2021 16:41:14 15 6
bbc
Personally people have been support by the furlough should be responsible for paying it back. Maybe not all of it, but certainly 1% back a year for how every long it takes would be reasonable. Then all the fraudulent case will be brought to the attention of HMRC pretty quickly.
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25/02/2021 17:06:17 0 0
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Why does Hmrc have the staff to cope
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25/02/2021 18:55:23 1 0
bbc
It has the staff to hand you big fines if you are twenty seconds late paying something! They want to pack that in and go after the proper cheats.
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Bob
25/02/2021 17:07:00 21 3
bbc
2020 has done more to fuel inequality than anything before it.

Bumper house price growth and bumper wage growth (even when accounting for the loss of lower paid) should not be happening when you have unemployment rising, food bank use rising and all the rest of it.

2020 is the year for the haves and the have-nots.
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25/02/2021 17:24:55 9 10
bbc
Certainly been used to giveaway money tax breaks to the Tory Faithful needlessly and very expensively.

Stamp Duty Holiday
£10,000 for Holiday Lets
1 years dole money in 6 weeks, or £50,000 a year if couple
Eat Out To Spread About

Low paid workers who have carried on nothing
£20 extra for benefits, that will only take 10 years to amount to the 2nd home allowance of £10,000
record House Prices etc
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25/02/2021 17:29:06 0 1
bbc
You do know it is 2021 now don't you?
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25/02/2021 17:07:27 6 5
bbc
Why aren’t those furloughed folks mandated to do something productive
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25/02/2021 17:13:58 7 1
bbc
Like what?
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25/02/2021 17:22:19 1 0
bbc
What are you up to??
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26/02/2021 00:25:02 0 0
bbc
Well I know something, it should be those who have received these furloughs who are taxed and not those who have received little or zero support. Being the UK, they will I am sure tax everyone extra regardless of who has had what. I think the UK is poorly run in general. Economy wise, what an embarrassment and just the overall leadership in this country is poor.
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25/02/2021 17:00:09 4 4
bbc
This'll have the regulars seething..................

Triple lock is right in Rishi's sights : only a matter of time..........................

Hahahahaha!!
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25/02/2021 18:57:10 4 2
bbc
That is fine, we will accept that, so long as student course fees are increased too. Only fair that we all chip in!
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25/02/2021 19:10:30 0 1
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He doesn't need to - the workplace pension scheme means that relatively soon, the perceived debt of pension obligations will be consigned to the past. No more state pension you have your workplace one.
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25/02/2021 17:00:08 13 13
bbc
I resent having to pay for furloughed workers whilst I work relentlessly. Where is the bonus for people who haven't been furloughed and continue to pay their taxes?
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25/02/2021 17:10:15 16 3
bbc
I'm delighted to have been able to work throughout - my bonus is that I am thankful that I still have a job.
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26/02/2021 17:02:31 0 0
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Maybe we should go back to the days of doffing our caps at our "betters" who think we should be grateful to them for giving us work but keeping us in poverty because we should be grateful for every little crumb they care to toss our way........
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25/02/2021 17:07:27 6 5
bbc
Why aren’t those furloughed folks mandated to do something productive
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25/02/2021 17:13:58 7 1
bbc
Like what?
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25/02/2021 17:54:28 1 0
bbc
Sit at home and make smart Alec comments on BBC HYS. What do you think Freedom?
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25/02/2021 17:15:43 14 2
bbc
Wonder what Nicola will do when she is furloughed !
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25/02/2021 17:18:41 4 2
bbc
Watch the flying pigs going past.
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25/02/2021 17:00:08 13 13
bbc
I resent having to pay for furloughed workers whilst I work relentlessly. Where is the bonus for people who haven't been furloughed and continue to pay their taxes?
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25/02/2021 17:16:46 4 1
bbc
Ridiculous comment, if their business is closed and they’re 20% down on their pay, I don’t resent them, I’m thankful that it’s not me. As yet, nobody has asked me to contribute to the furlough scheme, unlucky that you have. How much are you paying and over what period?
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26/02/2021 08:31:46 0 0
bbc
What do you think pays for the furlough scheme then? You don't get asked to contribute, your taxes get used. How much and over what period? 40% until I retire.....
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26/02/2021 10:27:50 0 0
bbc
Just wait until next weeks budget. The newspapers are already reporting freezes to tax relief on pension contributions - nothing to do with current pensioners as they are no longer contributing to their pension scheme, but man tax paying employees will see a £22k hit
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25/02/2021 17:16:55 7 8
bbc
The furlough scheme was always open to abuse and shouldn’t of been allowed. Companies who were closed, should of laid off their workers and then reemployed them once allowed to open. Those affected should of been paid a redundancy payment and then claimed benefits through the normal channel’s ie UC.
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25/02/2021 17:27:19 5 2
bbc
Nonsense. You can’t just offload your resources and then bring them back onboard at whim. It would crucify the benefits system. Who pays the redundancy, company or government? This approach will just slow the return to getting the UK back up and running successfully.
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25/02/2021 20:36:58 0 0
bbc
It’s should have, not should of. I agree though that the government needs to match each and every grandiose spending plan with an immediate corresponding tax increase on those that are working to pay for it. In this case with furlough we would see the real costs involved and then most likely wind it up pronto.
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25/02/2021 20:36:58 1 0
bbc
You do realise that would have pushed unemployment to 6.5m, 25% of the working population.
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25/02/2021 17:15:43 14 2
bbc
Wonder what Nicola will do when she is furloughed !
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25/02/2021 17:18:41 4 2
bbc
Watch the flying pigs going past.
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25/02/2021 17:32:56 3 0
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They will be the ones with Indy policy clenched in their jaws.
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25/02/2021 16:41:14 15 6
bbc
Personally people have been support by the furlough should be responsible for paying it back. Maybe not all of it, but certainly 1% back a year for how every long it takes would be reasonable. Then all the fraudulent case will be brought to the attention of HMRC pretty quickly.
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25/02/2021 17:21:19 7 3
bbc
Who should pay it back, employer or employee? Seems like a double hit for the recipient, lose 20% of your pay through no fault of your own and by the way pay it all back with an extra tax charge. Nonsense.
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26/02/2021 08:36:07 0 0
bbc
I see it more as gaining 80% of your wages for doing nothing.
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25/02/2021 17:00:08 13 13
bbc
I resent having to pay for furloughed workers whilst I work relentlessly. Where is the bonus for people who haven't been furloughed and continue to pay their taxes?
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BOF
25/02/2021 17:22:50 1 1
bbc
I do think the government could have paid a bonus to all those who have had to keep working and dealing face to face with the public such as NHS staff, transport staff supermarket staff, police, teachers etc.
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25/02/2021 17:31:21 1 0
bbc
What’s your criteria and how much?
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26/02/2021 08:33:22 0 0
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They have in Scotland, £500 in this months wage. Even to those of my colleagues who've been off sick for the last 10 months or on maternity leave for a year.
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25/02/2021 15:57:39 11 18
bbc
Tory Party want to crush small business so thousands of empty shop space can be picked up cheap by Investment Banks and Hedge Funds, who then donate a nice Thank You to the Government..happening already across hundreds of Market Towns in England
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25/02/2021 17:23:02 3 0
bbc
Why would they want these properties? The whole high street and office landscape has changed forever.
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Bob
25/02/2021 17:07:00 21 3
bbc
2020 has done more to fuel inequality than anything before it.

Bumper house price growth and bumper wage growth (even when accounting for the loss of lower paid) should not be happening when you have unemployment rising, food bank use rising and all the rest of it.

2020 is the year for the haves and the have-nots.
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25/02/2021 17:24:55 9 10
bbc
Certainly been used to giveaway money tax breaks to the Tory Faithful needlessly and very expensively.

Stamp Duty Holiday
£10,000 for Holiday Lets
1 years dole money in 6 weeks, or £50,000 a year if couple
Eat Out To Spread About

Low paid workers who have carried on nothing
£20 extra for benefits, that will only take 10 years to amount to the 2nd home allowance of £10,000
record House Prices etc
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25/02/2021 20:14:21 1 0
bbc
so please tell me what medium and higher paid workers that have worked through have received as you need to target low paid?

apart of course from the abuse on HYS that they havent actually done a full days work at home
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25/02/2021 17:25:26 2 3
bbc
Got to keep those house prices going up
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GS
25/02/2021 17:26:48 2 0
bbc
no surprise there with businesses that were up and running now having to close due to the prolonged lockdown
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25/02/2021 17:26:51 14 4
bbc
Government should go through furlough and stop payments to those in jobs where there is no job to go back to. The focus should be creation of jobs the country needs, not to just prop up the housing and debt sectors.
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25/02/2021 17:28:49 6 7
bbc
Excellent idea. Have you volunteered to ring everybody who is furloughed and their employer to establish their future employment status?
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25/02/2021 17:16:55 7 8
bbc
The furlough scheme was always open to abuse and shouldn’t of been allowed. Companies who were closed, should of laid off their workers and then reemployed them once allowed to open. Those affected should of been paid a redundancy payment and then claimed benefits through the normal channel’s ie UC.
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25/02/2021 17:27:19 5 2
bbc
Nonsense. You can’t just offload your resources and then bring them back onboard at whim. It would crucify the benefits system. Who pays the redundancy, company or government? This approach will just slow the return to getting the UK back up and running successfully.
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25/02/2021 17:07:27 6 5
bbc
Why aren’t those furloughed folks mandated to do something productive
38
25/02/2021 17:22:19 1 0
bbc
What are you up to??
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25/02/2021 17:00:08 13 13
bbc
I resent having to pay for furloughed workers whilst I work relentlessly. Where is the bonus for people who haven't been furloughed and continue to pay their taxes?
39
25/02/2021 17:28:17 3 0
bbc
I’m on furlough and I’m still paying Income tax and National Insurance
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25/02/2021 17:26:51 14 4
bbc
Government should go through furlough and stop payments to those in jobs where there is no job to go back to. The focus should be creation of jobs the country needs, not to just prop up the housing and debt sectors.
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25/02/2021 17:28:49 6 7
bbc
Excellent idea. Have you volunteered to ring everybody who is furloughed and their employer to establish their future employment status?
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Bob
25/02/2021 17:07:00 21 3
bbc
2020 has done more to fuel inequality than anything before it.

Bumper house price growth and bumper wage growth (even when accounting for the loss of lower paid) should not be happening when you have unemployment rising, food bank use rising and all the rest of it.

2020 is the year for the haves and the have-nots.
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25/02/2021 17:29:06 0 1
bbc
You do know it is 2021 now don't you?
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BOF
25/02/2021 17:22:50 1 1
bbc
I do think the government could have paid a bonus to all those who have had to keep working and dealing face to face with the public such as NHS staff, transport staff supermarket staff, police, teachers etc.
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25/02/2021 17:31:21 1 0
bbc
What’s your criteria and how much?
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25/02/2021 17:18:41 4 2
bbc
Watch the flying pigs going past.
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25/02/2021 17:32:56 3 0
bbc
They will be the ones with Indy policy clenched in their jaws.
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25/02/2021 17:39:56 5 1
bbc
This isn't news that comes as a surprise is it?

Next
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25/02/2021 17:45:46 1 5
bbc
I guess you don't do detail or analysis....
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25/02/2021 17:39:56 5 1
bbc
This isn't news that comes as a surprise is it?

Next
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25/02/2021 17:45:46 1 5
bbc
I guess you don't do detail or analysis....
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25/02/2021 17:13:58 7 1
bbc
Like what?
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25/02/2021 17:54:28 1 0
bbc
Sit at home and make smart Alec comments on BBC HYS. What do you think Freedom?
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25/02/2021 18:06:14 1 1
bbc
As you are doing, very helpful. I ask again, what should those furloughed be mandated to do? Simple enough question.
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25/02/2021 17:57:27 14 3
bbc
The sooner the furlough scheme is wound down the better. Clear the fog and build from the bottom up. Real jobs and services in demand will gain traction, those not required, will inevitably disappear. Natural selection...at it's most brutal.
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25/02/2021 18:06:28 1 2
bbc
So carry on doing what is already the plan....
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25/02/2021 17:54:28 1 0
bbc
Sit at home and make smart Alec comments on BBC HYS. What do you think Freedom?
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25/02/2021 18:06:14 1 1
bbc
As you are doing, very helpful. I ask again, what should those furloughed be mandated to do? Simple enough question.
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25/02/2021 18:52:26 1 0
bbc
I was supportingyour comment if you'd read it properly.
I'm not furloughed and I agree with you. The logistical problems would be insurmountable. If they weren't people on benefits would have been made to do something years ago.
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25/02/2021 17:57:27 14 3
bbc
The sooner the furlough scheme is wound down the better. Clear the fog and build from the bottom up. Real jobs and services in demand will gain traction, those not required, will inevitably disappear. Natural selection...at it's most brutal.
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25/02/2021 18:06:28 1 2
bbc
So carry on doing what is already the plan....
Removed
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25/02/2021 16:08:59 7 0
bbc
One suggestion I have for our long term financial security is when it comes to public sector facilities, such as leisure centres, that it be a rule for a small share of revenue (say 2%) be put aside and ringfenced in a fund so that when the inevitable time comes for its renewal, a large chunk of money is already there to make it affordable to do so.

The benefit over our lifetimes would be huge.
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25/02/2021 18:23:10 0 0
bbc
Budgeting for capital replacement is a good idea, be it birthdays, Christmas, a new(er) car or a leisure centre. The only 2 ways I can think to do that are; spend less on something else or increase funds from the source. Both options have drawbacks as HYSers are quick to jump on. And we're all aware of the arguments about councils holding reserves. Increasing entrance fees would solve the issue.
she is such a liar our nicolai, off hys subject of course by pro snp bbc but may last for a few minutes Removed
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25/02/2021 18:52:49 3 2
bbc
She not called knickerless for nothing.
I wonder if she was one of the woman that complained about the sleazy sex pest
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25/02/2021 18:50:43 10 3
bbc
Back to the 'good old days'!
High unemployment and crap wages.
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25/02/2021 21:12:47 1 5
bbc
I thought crap wages was a recent thing?
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25/02/2021 16:55:24 21 1
bbc
Though the furlough scheme is a very good one, our children and grandchildren will still be the ones paying off the huge bill.

Bear in mind, we only finished paying America off for our WWII bill about ten years ago!
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25/02/2021 18:50:22 8 5
bbc
We didn't pay off the debt we got into for compensating slavers in 1836 until 2015.
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26/02/2021 14:26:11 0 0
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So apparently and as far as Great Britain is concerned and despite the disparaging howls of the holier than thee, as far as Britain was concerned, black lives did matter.

We showed this in our payments to ensure their freedom and deployment of the Royal Navy’s West Africa Squadron to stop it.

Will there be a statue to commemorate the navy sailors who died on these life saving patrols?
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25/02/2021 18:52:16 18 2
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once sturgeon gets her indy, she will keep the furlough scheme going, as she and peter murrell need the money to keep them in the custom they are used to
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25/02/2021 18:53:05 6 1
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her husband you mean
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25/02/2021 18:55:24 2 1
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What a happy g.. couple they are.
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25/02/2021 20:32:46 0 1
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Ah yes but if sturgeon gets independence from the U.K., furlough will have to be paid in Scottish Groats or Euros; don’t expect the Welsh, Northern Irish or English to pay
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25/02/2021 18:06:14 1 1
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As you are doing, very helpful. I ask again, what should those furloughed be mandated to do? Simple enough question.
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25/02/2021 18:52:26 1 0
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I was supportingyour comment if you'd read it properly.
I'm not furloughed and I agree with you. The logistical problems would be insurmountable. If they weren't people on benefits would have been made to do something years ago.
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25/02/2021 20:19:02 0 1
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Apologies. Seems Freedom isn’t for responding with a clear and concise response.
she is such a liar our nicolai, off hys subject of course by pro snp bbc but may last for a few minutes Removed
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25/02/2021 18:52:49 3 2
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She not called knickerless for nothing.
I wonder if she was one of the woman that complained about the sleazy sex pest
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25/02/2021 20:17:43 1 0
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Or formally reported a sex offence. Guess it depends where you sit in the sex offence spectrum.
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25/02/2021 18:52:16 18 2
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once sturgeon gets her indy, she will keep the furlough scheme going, as she and peter murrell need the money to keep them in the custom they are used to
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25/02/2021 18:53:05 6 1
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her husband you mean
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25/02/2021 17:03:25 15 1
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I think the amount of fraud involved with the furlough scheme is off the scale. I know, for a fact, that may of the local pubs near me furloughed all their staff but then continued to employ them to run a takeaway service during lockdown. This issue must be widespread nationwide.
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25/02/2021 18:54:23 3 0
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It is tricky because you can't really dob your mates in. But I know loads of people who claimed various of the handouts, but carried on working cash in hand. My business has struggled on without a single bit of government generosity.
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25/02/2021 18:52:16 18 2
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once sturgeon gets her indy, she will keep the furlough scheme going, as she and peter murrell need the money to keep them in the custom they are used to
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25/02/2021 18:55:24 2 1
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What a happy g.. couple they are.
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25/02/2021 17:06:17 0 0
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Why does Hmrc have the staff to cope
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25/02/2021 18:55:23 1 0
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It has the staff to hand you big fines if you are twenty seconds late paying something! They want to pack that in and go after the proper cheats.
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25/02/2021 17:00:09 4 4
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This'll have the regulars seething..................

Triple lock is right in Rishi's sights : only a matter of time..........................

Hahahahaha!!
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25/02/2021 18:57:10 4 2
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That is fine, we will accept that, so long as student course fees are increased too. Only fair that we all chip in!
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25/02/2021 17:00:09 4 4
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This'll have the regulars seething..................

Triple lock is right in Rishi's sights : only a matter of time..........................

Hahahahaha!!
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25/02/2021 19:10:30 0 1
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He doesn't need to - the workplace pension scheme means that relatively soon, the perceived debt of pension obligations will be consigned to the past. No more state pension you have your workplace one.
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25/02/2021 21:15:38 1 0
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Thats a long way off yet.........at least 30 yrs
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25/02/2021 19:12:35 6 7
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The furlough scheme has allowed the government to lock us down for longer than otherwise would have been the case. It has supported the economy except the areas that had to close but has ensured that most people had enough money to keep spending.

The sooner it unwinds the sooner we will have to be allowed out of this middle class lockdown.
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26/02/2021 11:27:33 0 0
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..Well put. "allowed the government to lock us down for longer". Maybe it has been hush money for the government to push through their controlling no freedom laws? Furlough has been a dream for most middle/upper classes big garden with the kids etc...
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25/02/2021 19:38:20 14 1
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I wonder if there is any correlation between a higher number of furloughed workers and a growing number who want lockdown extended.....
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25/02/2021 20:16:32 1 3
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Rationale for your statement?
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26/02/2021 11:00:58 0 0
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...I agree, got to keep the public on side. Bribery with tax payers money.
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25/02/2021 19:46:19 4 5
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People on furlough are taxpayers so it seems only fair they should get something back

Just think of it as a bit like getting some of your state pension early.
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25/02/2021 20:30:00 0 2
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State pension? There won’t be a state pension in the future!! State debt sure; pension no. Just keep workin and savin’.
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25/02/2021 21:10:37 0 0
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Who gets their state pension early?
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26/02/2021 16:57:20 0 0
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And should those who have wroked all the way through get the same amount on top of their wage as a bonus for keeping the economy ticking over? Wouldn't that be just as fair?
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25/02/2021 20:03:49 3 2
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Furlough is like the government giving you a "loan" of a credit card .
What we have to understand that this money is little different to the credit one might have used to borrow from the bank and will have to be eventually paid back.
The burden is of course is spread across all of us, whether we used the furlough scheme or not, and consequently the tax increases will befall us all.
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25/02/2021 21:35:22 2 1
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But if furlough didn't exist the majority of these people would be on benefits, with housing allowances etc, and there would be no chance any of these sectors would recover quickly, if at all. From a tax payers perspective we do not want retail, tourism and hospitality to pack up shop, they are huge tax paying industries. And the furloughed would still be claiming benefits, anyhow.
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25/02/2021 17:24:55 9 10
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Certainly been used to giveaway money tax breaks to the Tory Faithful needlessly and very expensively.

Stamp Duty Holiday
£10,000 for Holiday Lets
1 years dole money in 6 weeks, or £50,000 a year if couple
Eat Out To Spread About

Low paid workers who have carried on nothing
£20 extra for benefits, that will only take 10 years to amount to the 2nd home allowance of £10,000
record House Prices etc
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25/02/2021 20:14:21 1 0
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so please tell me what medium and higher paid workers that have worked through have received as you need to target low paid?

apart of course from the abuse on HYS that they havent actually done a full days work at home
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25/02/2021 19:38:20 14 1
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I wonder if there is any correlation between a higher number of furloughed workers and a growing number who want lockdown extended.....
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25/02/2021 20:16:32 1 3
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Rationale for your statement?
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25/02/2021 20:27:54 3 0
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The rationale is obvious I would have thought. Some people on furlough are having the time of their lives. The clever ones have other jobs so are actually earning more than before they were furloughed.
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25/02/2021 20:17:38 4 8
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its nearly the end Feb. old news. Yawn BBC how. bout a good old house price story !
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25/02/2021 22:59:43 5 0
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That would be because HMRC have only just completed January's claims and released the numbers.

I know it's a complex mathematical equation for you to understand but I will try to help, totals are calculated when you have all the numbers.

Hope I helped.
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25/02/2021 18:52:49 3 2
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She not called knickerless for nothing.
I wonder if she was one of the woman that complained about the sleazy sex pest
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25/02/2021 20:17:43 1 0
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Or formally reported a sex offence. Guess it depends where you sit in the sex offence spectrum.
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25/02/2021 18:52:26 1 0
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I was supportingyour comment if you'd read it properly.
I'm not furloughed and I agree with you. The logistical problems would be insurmountable. If they weren't people on benefits would have been made to do something years ago.
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25/02/2021 20:19:02 0 1
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Apologies. Seems Freedom isn’t for responding with a clear and concise response.
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25/02/2021 20:16:32 1 3
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Rationale for your statement?
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25/02/2021 20:27:54 3 0
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The rationale is obvious I would have thought. Some people on furlough are having the time of their lives. The clever ones have other jobs so are actually earning more than before they were furloughed.
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25/02/2021 20:43:49 1 3
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It’s not obvious at all for either of your statements. I don’t know anybody who wants to extend the lockdown, nor continue on furlough. Personally, I’d like to be back to holidaying and I’d settle for just one of my golf clubs opening, but sadly the country’s position with C19 and vaccine rollout doesn’t facilitate either wish. Grass isn’t greener on furlough, give it a try.
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25/02/2021 19:46:19 4 5
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People on furlough are taxpayers so it seems only fair they should get something back

Just think of it as a bit like getting some of your state pension early.
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25/02/2021 20:30:00 0 2
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State pension? There won’t be a state pension in the future!! State debt sure; pension no. Just keep workin and savin’.
55
25/02/2021 18:52:16 18 2
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once sturgeon gets her indy, she will keep the furlough scheme going, as she and peter murrell need the money to keep them in the custom they are used to
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25/02/2021 20:32:46 0 1
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Ah yes but if sturgeon gets independence from the U.K., furlough will have to be paid in Scottish Groats or Euros; don’t expect the Welsh, Northern Irish or English to pay
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26/02/2021 12:00:17 0 0
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We already pay the NI enough - significantly more support than Scotland gets. Remember to add on the £1bn bribe from Theresa.
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25/02/2021 17:16:55 7 8
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The furlough scheme was always open to abuse and shouldn’t of been allowed. Companies who were closed, should of laid off their workers and then reemployed them once allowed to open. Those affected should of been paid a redundancy payment and then claimed benefits through the normal channel’s ie UC.
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25/02/2021 20:36:58 0 0
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It’s should have, not should of. I agree though that the government needs to match each and every grandiose spending plan with an immediate corresponding tax increase on those that are working to pay for it. In this case with furlough we would see the real costs involved and then most likely wind it up pronto.
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25/02/2021 17:16:55 7 8
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The furlough scheme was always open to abuse and shouldn’t of been allowed. Companies who were closed, should of laid off their workers and then reemployed them once allowed to open. Those affected should of been paid a redundancy payment and then claimed benefits through the normal channel’s ie UC.
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25/02/2021 20:36:58 1 0
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You do realise that would have pushed unemployment to 6.5m, 25% of the working population.
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25/02/2021 20:27:54 3 0
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The rationale is obvious I would have thought. Some people on furlough are having the time of their lives. The clever ones have other jobs so are actually earning more than before they were furloughed.
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25/02/2021 20:43:49 1 3
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It’s not obvious at all for either of your statements. I don’t know anybody who wants to extend the lockdown, nor continue on furlough. Personally, I’d like to be back to holidaying and I’d settle for just one of my golf clubs opening, but sadly the country’s position with C19 and vaccine rollout doesn’t facilitate either wish. Grass isn’t greener on furlough, give it a try.
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26/02/2021 17:07:47 0 0
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I think it's perfectly obvious. I know one who is quite happy on furlough, and dreads that phone call to return to work......... of course if the call comes and it's the opposite he won't be a happy bunny, but he's of the opinion that even if it does go that way he will have had a good run.
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25/02/2021 20:59:18 2 6
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Interesting that Hammond is starting the normal Tory economics.
See what happens when furlough ends and who ends up paying for it

Bet it’s not the wealthier parts of our society. The poor will pay for the middle class furlough
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25/02/2021 21:25:23 10 0
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middle class furlough are you for real. most i know are pub workers and low paid
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25/02/2021 21:08:20 4 1
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I wonder why the beeb are allowing comments on this article?
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25/02/2021 22:01:13 4 1
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Because it's topical and important?
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25/02/2021 19:46:19 4 5
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People on furlough are taxpayers so it seems only fair they should get something back

Just think of it as a bit like getting some of your state pension early.
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25/02/2021 21:10:37 0 0
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Who gets their state pension early?
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25/02/2021 21:42:57 1 1
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I’m not expecting a state pension when I’m 80. It will be abolished as the country goes bankrupt due to profligate state spending.
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25/02/2021 18:50:43 10 3
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Back to the 'good old days'!
High unemployment and crap wages.
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25/02/2021 21:12:47 1 5
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I thought crap wages was a recent thing?
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25/02/2021 19:10:30 0 1
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He doesn't need to - the workplace pension scheme means that relatively soon, the perceived debt of pension obligations will be consigned to the past. No more state pension you have your workplace one.
83
25/02/2021 21:15:38 1 0
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Thats a long way off yet.........at least 30 yrs
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25/02/2021 20:59:18 2 6
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Interesting that Hammond is starting the normal Tory economics.
See what happens when furlough ends and who ends up paying for it

Bet it’s not the wealthier parts of our society. The poor will pay for the middle class furlough
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25/02/2021 21:25:23 10 0
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middle class furlough are you for real. most i know are pub workers and low paid
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25/02/2021 21:48:59 0 1
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Statistics mate
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25/02/2021 21:55:37 0 1
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Across nation as a whole per NSO average on furlough is above average income
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25/02/2021 20:03:49 3 2
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Furlough is like the government giving you a "loan" of a credit card .
What we have to understand that this money is little different to the credit one might have used to borrow from the bank and will have to be eventually paid back.
The burden is of course is spread across all of us, whether we used the furlough scheme or not, and consequently the tax increases will befall us all.
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25/02/2021 21:35:22 2 1
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But if furlough didn't exist the majority of these people would be on benefits, with housing allowances etc, and there would be no chance any of these sectors would recover quickly, if at all. From a tax payers perspective we do not want retail, tourism and hospitality to pack up shop, they are huge tax paying industries. And the furloughed would still be claiming benefits, anyhow.
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25/02/2021 21:10:37 0 0
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Who gets their state pension early?
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25/02/2021 21:42:57 1 1
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I’m not expecting a state pension when I’m 80. It will be abolished as the country goes bankrupt due to profligate state spending.
84
25/02/2021 21:25:23 10 0
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middle class furlough are you for real. most i know are pub workers and low paid
87
25/02/2021 21:48:59 0 1
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Statistics mate
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25/02/2021 16:41:14 15 6
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Personally people have been support by the furlough should be responsible for paying it back. Maybe not all of it, but certainly 1% back a year for how every long it takes would be reasonable. Then all the fraudulent case will be brought to the attention of HMRC pretty quickly.
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25/02/2021 21:49:18 1 0
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I should imagine furlough fraud pales in comparison to self employed schemes. Sad but true.
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25/02/2021 21:25:23 10 0
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middle class furlough are you for real. most i know are pub workers and low paid
89
25/02/2021 21:55:37 0 1
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Across nation as a whole per NSO average on furlough is above average income
80
25/02/2021 21:08:20 4 1
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I wonder why the beeb are allowing comments on this article?
90
25/02/2021 22:01:13 4 1
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Because it's topical and important?
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25/02/2021 20:17:38 4 8
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its nearly the end Feb. old news. Yawn BBC how. bout a good old house price story !
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25/02/2021 22:59:43 5 0
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That would be because HMRC have only just completed January's claims and released the numbers.

I know it's a complex mathematical equation for you to understand but I will try to help, totals are calculated when you have all the numbers.

Hope I helped.
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26/02/2021 00:22:26 5 2
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Messy this, because whilst many of these "furloughers" as I call them are not allowed to work whilst on furlough, they are in effect having a long holiday for some of them. Now when it comes to paying all this back, it would be advisable to tax those who have received furlough in the first place, not those who have had little to zero support. You tax those who have had it, not those who have not
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26/02/2021 00:28:04 2 1
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Yup tax people who have had a 20% pay cut, smart
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25/02/2021 17:07:27 6 5
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Why aren’t those furloughed folks mandated to do something productive
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26/02/2021 00:25:02 0 0
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Well I know something, it should be those who have received these furloughs who are taxed and not those who have received little or zero support. Being the UK, they will I am sure tax everyone extra regardless of who has had what. I think the UK is poorly run in general. Economy wise, what an embarrassment and just the overall leadership in this country is poor.
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26/02/2021 00:22:26 5 2
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Messy this, because whilst many of these "furloughers" as I call them are not allowed to work whilst on furlough, they are in effect having a long holiday for some of them. Now when it comes to paying all this back, it would be advisable to tax those who have received furlough in the first place, not those who have had little to zero support. You tax those who have had it, not those who have not
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26/02/2021 00:28:04 2 1
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Yup tax people who have had a 20% pay cut, smart
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26/02/2021 00:52:31 0 0
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But taxing those who have received little, is acceptable is it?.
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26/02/2021 16:54:22 0 0
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It's a fair point. Except I know a few who have been furloughed, and all but one of them are better off on furlough than they are when working because of the lack of commuting costs, buying lunches, coffee on the way to the office, pint or two after work a couple of days a week etc.

The one who's actually not better off is just a couple of quid worse off when these things are taken into account.
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26/02/2021 00:28:04 2 1
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Yup tax people who have had a 20% pay cut, smart
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26/02/2021 00:52:31 0 0
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But taxing those who have received little, is acceptable is it?.
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26/02/2021 06:47:45 0 1
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Exactly why we need vaccine passports, and regular testing at workplaces.
when in place we can start reopening businesses. BUT do no repeat the mistake
of the last 70 or so years, Tax workers to fund handouts.
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26/02/2021 11:08:13 1 0
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"open" businesses are doing just fine if you allow them to open. That includes Royal Mail with 500 million profit in the last year. Without vaccine passports or testing.
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26/02/2021 07:38:56 4 0
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Dear furloughed Daily Mail reader,

As you are now claiming Government benefits, does your tabloid of choice class YOU as a "Benefit Scrounger" or is that privalage reserved for the less well off and less middle class of our society ???
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26/02/2021 07:39:23 3 0
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During the Brexit campaign Nigel Farage should of corrected the message on the side of the bus and put, £750m a week is lost each week in tax evasion by the rich!
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26/02/2021 11:55:08 0 0
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Where is the illustrious Nigel? Seems to be in hiding.
why does the BBC not allow comments on all articles, i wanted to comment on the Queen Calling other people selfish, surley the BBC allows free speech. Removed
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25/02/2021 17:16:46 4 1
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Ridiculous comment, if their business is closed and they’re 20% down on their pay, I don’t resent them, I’m thankful that it’s not me. As yet, nobody has asked me to contribute to the furlough scheme, unlucky that you have. How much are you paying and over what period?
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26/02/2021 08:31:46 0 0
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What do you think pays for the furlough scheme then? You don't get asked to contribute, your taxes get used. How much and over what period? 40% until I retire.....