Nightclubs eye June reopening but can they survive?
26/02/2021 | news | business | 173
Clubs have been closed for almost a year but what will the clubbing experience be like when they reopen?
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26/02/2021 10:20:38 13 2
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"I will survive" ...can be their theme song!!
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26/02/2021 14:55:48 3 5
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I'd go for "Oops I did it again" by Britney Spears of "Hey Stoopid" by Alice Cooper
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26/02/2021 10:21:54 13 11
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I can't think of a more likely place for Covid to be transmitted than a hot sweaty night club full of E-ed up people all hugging.
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26/02/2021 10:40:46 11 6
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Yes it will be transmitted.

But as everyone will have been vaccinated .. there will be no more problem than pre COVID.

People used to get nasty bugs before 24/3/2020.
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26/02/2021 16:37:03 1 0
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Just like the supporters at many football & rugby matches.
This is about more than just nightclubs, any situation where a large number of people are in close proximity. All the stuff that has been stopped for a year.

This is the entire point of the vaccine.
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26/02/2021 10:26:11 104 10
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If all adults have been vaccinated, what’s the problem ? Life needs to return to normal, people need fun in their lives. I’m 68, by the way, so my days of ‘clubbing’ are long gone but young people need to restart their lives.
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Anj
26/02/2021 10:57:09 22 2
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top comment
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26/02/2021 11:40:14 4 2
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Here here! I am 50 so not really my thing any more - when will we start thinking about young people. My concern is that continuing with this unfairness will create a gap between young and old.. the people we rely on to look after us in the future.
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26/02/2021 12:47:56 8 4
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The issue is that we won't all be vaccinated by then - some won't have had 1st jab let alone the 2nd one (the one which a lot of people forget about).

Clubs will definitely survive, but re-opening will have to be with much reduced capacities. Boris might say no restrictions, but I can't see that happening for clubs in June. Fabric's 2000 will have to be 500 maximum for example.
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26/02/2021 13:16:45 10 7
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The problem is that if you have half the popuation with the virus spreading through uncontrollably, and half vaccinated, you've created the PERFECT environment for a vaccine resistant strain to emerge, at which point we're back to square one.

So unless you WANT a repeat of 2020, it's best to wait until you have negligible community transmission and close to herd immunity before fully reopening.
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27/02/2021 14:25:14 0 0
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The problem, allegedly, is that the vaccine should be seen as a firebreak to give people time to change their habits because, as you may recall, it was ‘normal’ lifestyle that contributed massively to the spread of COVID. But too many people seem set on getting back to ‘normal.’
Personally, I don’t see what all the fuss was about but we have been compelled to go along with the agenda.
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26/02/2021 10:31:14 4 3
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Nightclubs eye June reopening but can they survive?
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Considering the countless, logical negatives listed in the article, I'd say the owners have answered their own question.
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26/02/2021 10:33:04 73 11
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No !! No !! Keep them all closed !!

Why ? Because I don't go to them, that's why.

The same goes for gyms, music festivals, pubs, restaurants, anything.

Anything that I don't use should never be allowed to open up again - I am doing this right ?

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26/02/2021 10:39:46 64 20
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There is a very simple reason why people love, defend and want lockdowns to continue indefinitely and that is that these people have zero social lives of their own.
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26/02/2021 11:00:49 6 3
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They obviously don't understand that life has to go on with covid and all rest of the viruses.
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26/02/2021 11:43:40 12 2
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I dared suggest about opening things again on my village FB page. The consensus of the Lockdown mafia is nothing should open, schools always closed as they've had their education so that's ok and nobody should see family/friends ever again.
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26/02/2021 12:19:03 12 0
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Very Good Ironic Comment
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26/02/2021 12:44:16 9 4
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Be careful.. you'll upset the pensioner trolls with comment like that!

Lets get them, and festivals etc, open and let the young enjoy life again.

There's plenty of time in later life to sit on HYS being grumpy.
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27/02/2021 22:00:30 0 0
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Maybe you don't like to be sociable like the rest of us! those of us who do are looking forward to life opening again.
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26/02/2021 10:35:15 8 10
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Clubbing hardly existed pre-covid anyway. The clubs got killed off by the smoking ban, 24-hour licensing in pubs and the 2008 recession.
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26/02/2021 12:43:04 5 1
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I'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about. If you mean Ritzy style clubs - then yes, possibly, but no one cares about them.
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26/02/2021 10:36:51 76 5
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If there's one thing that's reassuring about the UK's clubbers it's that they'll take anything. So at least vaccine uptake should be high.
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26/02/2021 10:37:06 5 10
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Frankly, if they have lasted this long what's a couple of additional months.
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26/02/2021 11:30:16 7 2
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Imagine you used all your savings and other support/borrowing to pay the mortgage for 15 months and now have next to zero left to scrape. The difference between say 2 months and 4 months will be the difference between you having a home or it being repossessed.
It's not hard then to imagine businesses in similar situations.
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26/02/2021 16:56:55 0 2
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Government needs to extend support for those places that are going to be shut beyond end of April. A lot of pubs won’t be able to open in April so need support until they can open indoor areas in May.
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26/02/2021 10:37:46 13 4
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There's no guaranteed safe approach in this;

Reopen clubs & risk greater, more dangerous virus mutations & lockdown 3, 4, etc doing further economic damage & costing more lives.

Or

Keep these things closed indefinitely until we're as sure as can be that the virus is gone for good, which may be never.

Either way, someone needs to make a choice & be able to accept responsibility for the outcome
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26/02/2021 13:32:03 4 11
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Have you still not learned the lesson from Asia?

More pain NOW means far less pain tomorrow.

The UK government has already admitted it has no long-term strategy/plan for "living with covid".

The plan SHOULD be to suppress cases as far as possible while building up herd immunity through vaccination - at THAT point, and only at that point can you open up again.
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26/02/2021 10:33:04 73 11
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No !! No !! Keep them all closed !!

Why ? Because I don't go to them, that's why.

The same goes for gyms, music festivals, pubs, restaurants, anything.

Anything that I don't use should never be allowed to open up again - I am doing this right ?

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26/02/2021 10:39:46 64 20
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There is a very simple reason why people love, defend and want lockdowns to continue indefinitely and that is that these people have zero social lives of their own.
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26/02/2021 11:34:48 13 5
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One of the most sensible threads here. You are right, people are so selfish that only if they're interested in it should be be opened. These people indeed have zero social life - I am going to add workshy on top of many of these too. Not enough people are counting the cost of furlough and lockdown - it's coming back to hit us hard in the next few years (money, lives, happiness).
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26/02/2021 12:13:25 11 4
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And either have pension or rely on the state for a wage so are largely unaffected.
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27/02/2021 11:11:43 2 0
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The problem of the vociferous mentally needy socialisers is they can’t stand living with their own company. Just imagine how horrid it is to be in their company! Most people do not use or ever go to any nightclub. Loud and expensive. Great for the rich or the stupid to waste away their money. No wonder the young supposedly can’t save a deposit on a house.
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26/02/2021 10:40:08 10 9
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After one year what is another couple on months to wait?
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26/02/2021 11:13:28 9 3
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The difference between being thrown a lifeline just before going under and going under.
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26/02/2021 10:21:54 13 11
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I can't think of a more likely place for Covid to be transmitted than a hot sweaty night club full of E-ed up people all hugging.
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26/02/2021 10:40:46 11 6
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Yes it will be transmitted.

But as everyone will have been vaccinated .. there will be no more problem than pre COVID.

People used to get nasty bugs before 24/3/2020.
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26/02/2021 10:52:04 5 4
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That's provided the current vaccination remains effective and other resistant strains don't emerge, you are aware that MDMA lowers the immune response ?
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26/02/2021 10:33:04 73 11
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No !! No !! Keep them all closed !!

Why ? Because I don't go to them, that's why.

The same goes for gyms, music festivals, pubs, restaurants, anything.

Anything that I don't use should never be allowed to open up again - I am doing this right ?

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Anj
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26/02/2021 10:51:11 8 4
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Pop Ups - The Way Ahead: tow bar and trailer, large marquee, generator, massive sound system on the Village Green, drunks in the duck pond - bring it on!
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26/02/2021 11:10:00 3 4
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Castlemorton 2021.
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26/02/2021 10:40:46 11 6
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Yes it will be transmitted.

But as everyone will have been vaccinated .. there will be no more problem than pre COVID.

People used to get nasty bugs before 24/3/2020.
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26/02/2021 10:52:04 5 4
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That's provided the current vaccination remains effective and other resistant strains don't emerge, you are aware that MDMA lowers the immune response ?
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26/02/2021 11:37:13 4 3
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Are you aware that most people who go out to clubs don't take MDMA, and the data shows that younger people (who make up the majority of clubbers) are a tiny fraction of COVID hospitalisation and deaths?
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26/02/2021 11:44:14 5 2
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So how long do you think everyone should be forced to wait to see if the current vaccination remains effective or other resistant strains emerge? For ever?

Life is a series of risks, and having a life is the art of managing those risks appropriately, not just saying "there should be no risk".
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26/02/2021 10:52:20 10 19
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I have never been to a nightclub in my whole life. They sound awful places.
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26/02/2021 11:27:21 8 4
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That's a shame - you have missed out on an experience. Maybe you would not like it still, but many people have.
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26/02/2021 11:52:57 1 2
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Maybe because you don't have any mates xx
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26/02/2021 12:15:03 0 4
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You sound like quite a sad individual really
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26/02/2021 10:56:02 5 4
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"The whole reason to go to a club is not hedonism but to feel like you're not following rules. You're there to dance, to let go or you're looking to swap saliva with someone."
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They haven't done too badly so far, albeit illegally. Even the bottles are recycled as ammunition.
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26/02/2021 10:26:11 104 10
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If all adults have been vaccinated, what’s the problem ? Life needs to return to normal, people need fun in their lives. I’m 68, by the way, so my days of ‘clubbing’ are long gone but young people need to restart their lives.
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Anj
26/02/2021 10:57:09 22 2
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top comment
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26/02/2021 10:59:34 5 20
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I have always believed nightclubs are places for the wayward. We are better off without them. Have I been wrong?
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26/02/2021 11:21:23 10 5
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Gosh. You sound like fun. x
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26/02/2021 11:26:03 5 1
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Yes
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26/02/2021 11:43:01 3 0
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No clubs = more raves.

It depends on whether you want people to be in a place with clean water and toilets, or out in the sticks. The party people will adapt either way.
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26/02/2021 12:41:06 2 2
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Yes you have. They are places for letting go, for listening to music FAR louder than you ever should do at home, and experiences you don't get elsewhere. If your idea of 'life' is Corrie followed by Eastenders, then you are missing out.
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26/02/2021 14:18:29 1 2
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Yes!
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26/02/2021 15:59:00 0 2
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Yes!
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26/02/2021 10:33:04 73 11
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No !! No !! Keep them all closed !!

Why ? Because I don't go to them, that's why.

The same goes for gyms, music festivals, pubs, restaurants, anything.

Anything that I don't use should never be allowed to open up again - I am doing this right ?

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26/02/2021 11:00:49 6 3
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They obviously don't understand that life has to go on with covid and all rest of the viruses.
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26/02/2021 10:51:11 8 4
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Pop Ups - The Way Ahead: tow bar and trailer, large marquee, generator, massive sound system on the Village Green, drunks in the duck pond - bring it on!
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26/02/2021 11:10:00 3 4
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Castlemorton 2021.
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26/02/2021 10:40:08 10 9
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After one year what is another couple on months to wait?
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26/02/2021 11:13:28 9 3
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The difference between being thrown a lifeline just before going under and going under.
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26/02/2021 11:07:48 7 18
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I always hated being dragged to nightclubs by friends in my youth, then pay inflated prices for keg beer and listen to bloody awful music played too loud. They won't be missed They've have been dying out for years anyway, Covid will finish them off.
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26/02/2021 11:25:31 19 3
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This is one of the most hilariously single-sided views I've seen :-D
You state that you hated being dragged in to clubs by friends - so clearly they enjoyed it!
Your point is really that *you* will not miss them, but to make a general comment like it's the opinion of most is stretching things somewhat!
I'm too old for clubbing but I am sure some younger folks will look forward to it.
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26/02/2021 12:34:55 1 1
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So you're an old codger, have been since you were 18, and everybody else has to live by your rules? OK then.

The thing with clubs is that they will continue. If current businesses go bust, new ones will sprout up. That has always been the way.
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26/02/2021 15:57:33 0 2
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You went to the wrong clubs then.
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CT
26/02/2021 11:19:58 23 5
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All the best to the last few clubs left standing, and those that use them.

I had some wonderful experiences comming out, in the morning, after an all nighter.
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26/02/2021 10:59:34 5 20
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I have always believed nightclubs are places for the wayward. We are better off without them. Have I been wrong?
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26/02/2021 11:21:23 10 5
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Gosh. You sound like fun. x
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26/02/2021 11:07:48 7 18
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I always hated being dragged to nightclubs by friends in my youth, then pay inflated prices for keg beer and listen to bloody awful music played too loud. They won't be missed They've have been dying out for years anyway, Covid will finish them off.
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26/02/2021 11:25:31 19 3
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This is one of the most hilariously single-sided views I've seen :-D
You state that you hated being dragged in to clubs by friends - so clearly they enjoyed it!
Your point is really that *you* will not miss them, but to make a general comment like it's the opinion of most is stretching things somewhat!
I'm too old for clubbing but I am sure some younger folks will look forward to it.
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26/02/2021 10:59:34 5 20
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I have always believed nightclubs are places for the wayward. We are better off without them. Have I been wrong?
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26/02/2021 11:26:03 5 1
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Yes
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26/02/2021 10:52:20 10 19
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I have never been to a nightclub in my whole life. They sound awful places.
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26/02/2021 11:27:21 8 4
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That's a shame - you have missed out on an experience. Maybe you would not like it still, but many people have.
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26/02/2021 10:37:06 5 10
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Frankly, if they have lasted this long what's a couple of additional months.
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26/02/2021 11:30:16 7 2
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Imagine you used all your savings and other support/borrowing to pay the mortgage for 15 months and now have next to zero left to scrape. The difference between say 2 months and 4 months will be the difference between you having a home or it being repossessed.
It's not hard then to imagine businesses in similar situations.
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26/02/2021 13:35:38 1 1
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Imagine you're a pub that's just about stayed afloat. You learn you can reopen so you invest on buying in fresh beer/food and run an ad campaign to announce reopening - this costs you all of your remaning cash reserves.

Then 3 weeks after reopening, you're told to close again, because once again, the UK government has screwed things up by rushing the reopening - just like they did last summer.
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26/02/2021 10:39:46 64 20
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There is a very simple reason why people love, defend and want lockdowns to continue indefinitely and that is that these people have zero social lives of their own.
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26/02/2021 11:34:48 13 5
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One of the most sensible threads here. You are right, people are so selfish that only if they're interested in it should be be opened. These people indeed have zero social life - I am going to add workshy on top of many of these too. Not enough people are counting the cost of furlough and lockdown - it's coming back to hit us hard in the next few years (money, lives, happiness).
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26/02/2021 16:04:47 4 0
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who are YOU to talk about the workshy? very hard to live on benefits nowadays - most people on benefits are IN WORK most people using food banks are IN WORK your comment belongs to the 1960s
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26/02/2021 10:52:04 5 4
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That's provided the current vaccination remains effective and other resistant strains don't emerge, you are aware that MDMA lowers the immune response ?
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26/02/2021 11:37:13 4 3
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Are you aware that most people who go out to clubs don't take MDMA, and the data shows that younger people (who make up the majority of clubbers) are a tiny fraction of COVID hospitalisation and deaths?
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26/02/2021 11:53:26 2 2
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However they do visit parents and grand parents or perhaps work in a hospital or care home etc. FWIW hard drugs are far more prevalent now than they were in the Madchester days.
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26/02/2021 10:26:11 104 10
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If all adults have been vaccinated, what’s the problem ? Life needs to return to normal, people need fun in their lives. I’m 68, by the way, so my days of ‘clubbing’ are long gone but young people need to restart their lives.
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26/02/2021 11:40:14 4 2
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Here here! I am 50 so not really my thing any more - when will we start thinking about young people. My concern is that continuing with this unfairness will create a gap between young and old.. the people we rely on to look after us in the future.
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26/02/2021 16:01:36 1 0
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Bit late for that considering the political vanity of you know what (begins with B) any queries to Mr. Cable but yes the boomers are now looking to younger people to look after them
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26/02/2021 11:41:22 12 12
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A socially distanced nightclub? What's the point? The young aren't affected by covid anyway, let them live again!
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26/02/2021 10:59:34 5 20
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I have always believed nightclubs are places for the wayward. We are better off without them. Have I been wrong?
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26/02/2021 11:43:01 3 0
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No clubs = more raves.

It depends on whether you want people to be in a place with clean water and toilets, or out in the sticks. The party people will adapt either way.
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26/02/2021 10:33:04 73 11
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No !! No !! Keep them all closed !!

Why ? Because I don't go to them, that's why.

The same goes for gyms, music festivals, pubs, restaurants, anything.

Anything that I don't use should never be allowed to open up again - I am doing this right ?

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26/02/2021 11:43:40 12 2
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I dared suggest about opening things again on my village FB page. The consensus of the Lockdown mafia is nothing should open, schools always closed as they've had their education so that's ok and nobody should see family/friends ever again.
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26/02/2021 10:52:04 5 4
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That's provided the current vaccination remains effective and other resistant strains don't emerge, you are aware that MDMA lowers the immune response ?
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26/02/2021 11:44:14 5 2
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So how long do you think everyone should be forced to wait to see if the current vaccination remains effective or other resistant strains emerge? For ever?

Life is a series of risks, and having a life is the art of managing those risks appropriately, not just saying "there should be no risk".
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26/02/2021 11:48:18 4 8
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Night life is overrated, mostly by flimsy mindset and Hollywood. I was lucky enough to service without horror of night life and all expenses that comes with it. Life is much better when look back 20 years, and so glad that I gave a pass on it.
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26/02/2021 10:52:20 10 19
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I have never been to a nightclub in my whole life. They sound awful places.
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26/02/2021 11:52:57 1 2
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Maybe because you don't have any mates xx
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26/02/2021 11:51:28 7 1
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But Mr Laws says: "There's no way you're going to get a clubber to keep a mask on.

Just play 90's Happy Hardcore and you'll get the oldies out with there masks on. Ravers used to love a mask..
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26/02/2021 15:56:04 0 1
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... with a few drops of Obus Oil
I'm now in my 50s and remember the scene VERY well :)
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26/02/2021 11:37:13 4 3
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Are you aware that most people who go out to clubs don't take MDMA, and the data shows that younger people (who make up the majority of clubbers) are a tiny fraction of COVID hospitalisation and deaths?
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26/02/2021 11:53:26 2 2
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However they do visit parents and grand parents or perhaps work in a hospital or care home etc. FWIW hard drugs are far more prevalent now than they were in the Madchester days.
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26/02/2021 12:32:54 3 2
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I understand, but as others have noted - what are you waiting for...zero risk of mutations, resilient strains etc.?
What is the balance between that and society suffocating and young people's lives blighted? Do parents and grandparents think this is ok?
The criteria for me is that NHS can cope so as a society we don't just let people die (increase NHS capacity BTW - this is on top of flu etc.)
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26/02/2021 12:12:27 10 11
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Disgusting Toilets that stink of urine or sick, drunk and vulgar clientele, fights plus the classic comment” you looking at my bird”. At the end of evening out come the nightclub clientele staggering down the road chucking up in the gutter whilst trying to buy a Donner Kebab at 4.00am, once purchased Chuck most of the kebab on the pavement with whatever it was wrapped in. Nightclubs not missed
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26/02/2021 12:23:05 13 1
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There are other ways to address your points.
I may have been a little irresponsible in my youth (now 50, somehow), but let's not take away everything we now disapprove of from the younger generation - because many of us enjoyed the benefit of having it.
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26/02/2021 13:43:36 1 1
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What an outstanding picture you pain of UK nightlife...

From 40 years ago!!!!
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26/02/2021 18:18:38 2 0
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That's a 'Spoons on a Friday and Saturday evening...
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26/02/2021 10:39:46 64 20
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There is a very simple reason why people love, defend and want lockdowns to continue indefinitely and that is that these people have zero social lives of their own.
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26/02/2021 12:13:25 11 4
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And either have pension or rely on the state for a wage so are largely unaffected.
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26/02/2021 12:14:33 5 3
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Nightclubs eye June reopening but can they survive?

They will be shut before then for good along with many feeder venues.
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26/02/2021 10:52:20 10 19
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I have never been to a nightclub in my whole life. They sound awful places.
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26/02/2021 12:15:03 0 4
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You sound like quite a sad individual really
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26/02/2021 12:16:15 5 15
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Do we really need Night Clubs? Their contribution - drugs, alcoholism, antisocial behaviour, crime, increased attendances at the A & E amongst a few!
Positives? mmm... let me think? --- NONE.
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26/02/2021 12:40:16 14 0
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Do we really need alcohol? Smoking? Fast food? These all contribute far more to the burden on society - early death, chronic strain on the NHS.
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26/02/2021 12:44:52 7 2
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Says the old middle aged boomer... okay
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26/02/2021 13:31:07 5 2
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Music, Lighting, Dancing, Socialising, Laughing, Loving, Friendship, Safety, Security, Anticipation, Memories, Multiculturalism, Art, Design, Culture, Architecture, Business, Employment, Suppliers, Travel, Dressing up, Dressing Down, Progress... need I go on!!
Open your mind
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26/02/2021 12:16:39 17 4
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There will always be a new generation of clubbers getting old enough to want to do it and loving every minute of it. There are some brilliant venues and some absolute dives, but millions have very happy memories of time spent in them. They will survive and indeed continue to flourish.
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26/02/2021 10:33:04 73 11
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No !! No !! Keep them all closed !!

Why ? Because I don't go to them, that's why.

The same goes for gyms, music festivals, pubs, restaurants, anything.

Anything that I don't use should never be allowed to open up again - I am doing this right ?

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26/02/2021 12:19:03 12 0
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Very Good Ironic Comment
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26/02/2021 12:19:37 4 9
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The problem with our society is that if any one tells the Truth as it is - then they are labelled 'not fun' , 'not cool', 'wet blanket' etc. However if you encourage people to break rules (lockdown for example), encourage to take drugs, alcohol etc or at the other end of the spectrum simply give false promises and unfounded enthusiasm (BoJo) then you are GREAT! Welcome to GB!
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26/02/2021 12:20:02 8 6
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Clubs in every city will be back...and a good thing too...all you need is a set of 1210`s,phones and a PA...
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26/02/2021 12:12:27 10 11
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Disgusting Toilets that stink of urine or sick, drunk and vulgar clientele, fights plus the classic comment” you looking at my bird”. At the end of evening out come the nightclub clientele staggering down the road chucking up in the gutter whilst trying to buy a Donner Kebab at 4.00am, once purchased Chuck most of the kebab on the pavement with whatever it was wrapped in. Nightclubs not missed
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26/02/2021 12:23:05 13 1
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There are other ways to address your points.
I may have been a little irresponsible in my youth (now 50, somehow), but let's not take away everything we now disapprove of from the younger generation - because many of us enjoyed the benefit of having it.
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26/02/2021 14:18:09 1 1
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We didn't live through a pandemic.
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26/02/2021 12:26:17 3 12
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Nightclubs getting funding from Culture Fund? Really? Remember, every pound given away now will cost you £2 in the years to come. You can have sharp pain now or chronic suffering forever. Nightclubs have contributed violence, STDs, social issues, unwanted pregnancies etc etc... (not to forget alcohol and drug poisoning - personally having treated many of them on a Friday/Saturday shift).
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26/02/2021 12:36:11 10 2
bbc
Oh wow, you're going to the wrong nightclubs or attracting the wrong type of attention.
What is the culture you would like to see - no nightclubs (tick). Anything else? What then do we become as a society - is it still British?
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26/02/2021 11:53:26 2 2
bbc
However they do visit parents and grand parents or perhaps work in a hospital or care home etc. FWIW hard drugs are far more prevalent now than they were in the Madchester days.
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26/02/2021 12:32:54 3 2
bbc
I understand, but as others have noted - what are you waiting for...zero risk of mutations, resilient strains etc.?
What is the balance between that and society suffocating and young people's lives blighted? Do parents and grandparents think this is ok?
The criteria for me is that NHS can cope so as a society we don't just let people die (increase NHS capacity BTW - this is on top of flu etc.)
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26/02/2021 11:07:48 7 18
bbc
I always hated being dragged to nightclubs by friends in my youth, then pay inflated prices for keg beer and listen to bloody awful music played too loud. They won't be missed They've have been dying out for years anyway, Covid will finish them off.
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26/02/2021 12:34:55 1 1
bbc
So you're an old codger, have been since you were 18, and everybody else has to live by your rules? OK then.

The thing with clubs is that they will continue. If current businesses go bust, new ones will sprout up. That has always been the way.
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26/02/2021 12:26:17 3 12
bbc
Nightclubs getting funding from Culture Fund? Really? Remember, every pound given away now will cost you £2 in the years to come. You can have sharp pain now or chronic suffering forever. Nightclubs have contributed violence, STDs, social issues, unwanted pregnancies etc etc... (not to forget alcohol and drug poisoning - personally having treated many of them on a Friday/Saturday shift).
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26/02/2021 12:36:11 10 2
bbc
Oh wow, you're going to the wrong nightclubs or attracting the wrong type of attention.
What is the culture you would like to see - no nightclubs (tick). Anything else? What then do we become as a society - is it still British?
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26/02/2021 12:16:15 5 15
bbc
Do we really need Night Clubs? Their contribution - drugs, alcoholism, antisocial behaviour, crime, increased attendances at the A & E amongst a few!
Positives? mmm... let me think? --- NONE.
55
26/02/2021 12:40:16 14 0
bbc
Do we really need alcohol? Smoking? Fast food? These all contribute far more to the burden on society - early death, chronic strain on the NHS.
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26/02/2021 10:59:34 5 20
bbc
I have always believed nightclubs are places for the wayward. We are better off without them. Have I been wrong?
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26/02/2021 12:41:06 2 2
bbc
Yes you have. They are places for letting go, for listening to music FAR louder than you ever should do at home, and experiences you don't get elsewhere. If your idea of 'life' is Corrie followed by Eastenders, then you are missing out.
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mjp
26/02/2021 18:32:58 2 0
bbc
You make it sound like a 'club is the ONLY place to get experiences you won't get elsewhere. What experiences are these? Music? Alcohol? Socialising? Meeting new people? Dancing? What else?

I used to go clubbing a lot at Uni. Enjoyed it mostly. Was a good laugh - but I'm struggling to think of experiences that are only available in clubs.
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26/02/2021 10:35:15 8 10
bbc
Clubbing hardly existed pre-covid anyway. The clubs got killed off by the smoking ban, 24-hour licensing in pubs and the 2008 recession.
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26/02/2021 12:43:04 5 1
bbc
I'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about. If you mean Ritzy style clubs - then yes, possibly, but no one cares about them.
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26/02/2021 10:33:04 73 11
bbc
No !! No !! Keep them all closed !!

Why ? Because I don't go to them, that's why.

The same goes for gyms, music festivals, pubs, restaurants, anything.

Anything that I don't use should never be allowed to open up again - I am doing this right ?

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26/02/2021 12:44:16 9 4
bbc
Be careful.. you'll upset the pensioner trolls with comment like that!

Lets get them, and festivals etc, open and let the young enjoy life again.

There's plenty of time in later life to sit on HYS being grumpy.
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26/02/2021 12:16:15 5 15
bbc
Do we really need Night Clubs? Their contribution - drugs, alcoholism, antisocial behaviour, crime, increased attendances at the A & E amongst a few!
Positives? mmm... let me think? --- NONE.
59
26/02/2021 12:44:52 7 2
bbc
Says the old middle aged boomer... okay
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26/02/2021 12:56:44 6 2
bbc
Indeed - and by the way, I am a middle aged boomer!!
But I agree, far too many people are so selfish as to be happy (even insist) to lose things just because they're not going personally using / interested in.
I enjoyed night clubs in my teens and 20s - I want others to have the same privilege in the 2020s.
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26/02/2021 10:26:11 104 10
bbc
If all adults have been vaccinated, what’s the problem ? Life needs to return to normal, people need fun in their lives. I’m 68, by the way, so my days of ‘clubbing’ are long gone but young people need to restart their lives.
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26/02/2021 12:47:56 8 4
bbc
The issue is that we won't all be vaccinated by then - some won't have had 1st jab let alone the 2nd one (the one which a lot of people forget about).

Clubs will definitely survive, but re-opening will have to be with much reduced capacities. Boris might say no restrictions, but I can't see that happening for clubs in June. Fabric's 2000 will have to be 500 maximum for example.
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26/02/2021 12:48:15 7 13
bbc
Music festivals, night clubs - this is insane. Let's take time to see how the virus pans out over the next few months, and go from there. If things are still looking good by mid-autumn then sure let the night clubs reopen. As for festivals, not until 2022. We've sacrificed so much to let it go back to square one now.
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26/02/2021 12:48:30 6 12
bbc
Way to early for Nightclubs, 18 to 40s will have only just been offered a vaccination, Nightclubs should not open until at least end of August, by then most of the 18 to 40 will have at least had the first vaccination.
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26/02/2021 22:09:52 0 1
bbc
you sound like a used car salesman for a vaccine company.
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26/02/2021 12:55:28 34 6
bbc
So many old codgers on here saying how bad nightclubs are and that they should never open again. If you are too old for that scene then there is nothing you can do, nothing you can say. It doesn't belong to you!
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26/02/2021 14:16:31 15 15
bbc
Boozing, dancing around like you're having a fit has nothing to do with age. Common sense simply says that if the infection is going to spread anywhere it will be in a nightclub. By the way, it doesn't belong to you either.
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26/02/2021 12:44:52 7 2
bbc
Says the old middle aged boomer... okay
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26/02/2021 12:56:44 6 2
bbc
Indeed - and by the way, I am a middle aged boomer!!
But I agree, far too many people are so selfish as to be happy (even insist) to lose things just because they're not going personally using / interested in.
I enjoyed night clubs in my teens and 20s - I want others to have the same privilege in the 2020s.
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26/02/2021 12:59:53 10 3
bbc
At 44 years of age, I feel that I’m too old for nightclubs. However I think that they should be able to reopen. The logistics mean that on the door test is impractical. One possibility could be that someone wanting to go does a test on the day possibly in a pharmacy and the results are sent by text. Result on NHS app only works if drs allows more than basic info to show, mine doesn’t.
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26/02/2021 22:05:34 1 2
bbc
Just as ridiculous as the last Mickey Mouse plan. Time to ditch the Mad Scientific experiment.
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26/02/2021 13:13:02 7 8
bbc
My main enjoyment in life is social dancing which as far as covid goes is just as bad as night clubs. Within my scene, there's lots of optimism for a restart in June, but frankly, this is crazy talk - it would be like actively encouraging the virus to produce a vaccine resistant mutant and then we're back to square one. It would be a prime example of more haste less speed.
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26/02/2021 13:15:37 6 5
bbc
The chance of a strain that is completely resistant to vaccines is actually very low.
Also, the vaccine can be adapted to combat mutations anyway and it would only need a single dose booster so it wouldn’t be back to square one.
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26/02/2021 14:56:34 1 1
bbc
I think mutations will occur anyway. I love dancing too. My main concern is that it will lead to superspreading events which will then be rapidly passed to the unvaccinated. maybe we need vaccine passports or Michael Mina had very rapid tests for £1 he developed about a year ago. Its time for some sensible planning.
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26/02/2021 13:14:16 2 3
bbc
Given the close proximity of people in Night Clubs, and wheer we are with the vaccination programme, how testing entrants? If not suspect they will need to wait.
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26/02/2021 13:13:02 7 8
bbc
My main enjoyment in life is social dancing which as far as covid goes is just as bad as night clubs. Within my scene, there's lots of optimism for a restart in June, but frankly, this is crazy talk - it would be like actively encouraging the virus to produce a vaccine resistant mutant and then we're back to square one. It would be a prime example of more haste less speed.
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26/02/2021 13:15:37 6 5
bbc
The chance of a strain that is completely resistant to vaccines is actually very low.
Also, the vaccine can be adapted to combat mutations anyway and it would only need a single dose booster so it wouldn’t be back to square one.
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26/02/2021 13:28:43 3 4
bbc
We already have strains against which current vaccines have massively reduced efficiency and we've only just begun the vaccination programme - it's only a matter of time.

As for a booster, yes, but this takes time to develop, produce and administer - at least 6 months.

Only a fool assumes that bad things won't happen and fails to plan accordingly.
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26/02/2021 10:26:11 104 10
bbc
If all adults have been vaccinated, what’s the problem ? Life needs to return to normal, people need fun in their lives. I’m 68, by the way, so my days of ‘clubbing’ are long gone but young people need to restart their lives.
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26/02/2021 13:16:45 10 7
bbc
The problem is that if you have half the popuation with the virus spreading through uncontrollably, and half vaccinated, you've created the PERFECT environment for a vaccine resistant strain to emerge, at which point we're back to square one.

So unless you WANT a repeat of 2020, it's best to wait until you have negligible community transmission and close to herd immunity before fully reopening.
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26/02/2021 16:02:33 6 1
bbc
Vaccination certificates to be shown to the doorman
68
26/02/2021 13:15:37 6 5
bbc
The chance of a strain that is completely resistant to vaccines is actually very low.
Also, the vaccine can be adapted to combat mutations anyway and it would only need a single dose booster so it wouldn’t be back to square one.
70
26/02/2021 13:28:43 3 4
bbc
We already have strains against which current vaccines have massively reduced efficiency and we've only just begun the vaccination programme - it's only a matter of time.

As for a booster, yes, but this takes time to develop, produce and administer - at least 6 months.

Only a fool assumes that bad things won't happen and fails to plan accordingly.
45
26/02/2021 12:16:15 5 15
bbc
Do we really need Night Clubs? Their contribution - drugs, alcoholism, antisocial behaviour, crime, increased attendances at the A & E amongst a few!
Positives? mmm... let me think? --- NONE.
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26/02/2021 13:31:07 5 2
bbc
Music, Lighting, Dancing, Socialising, Laughing, Loving, Friendship, Safety, Security, Anticipation, Memories, Multiculturalism, Art, Design, Culture, Architecture, Business, Employment, Suppliers, Travel, Dressing up, Dressing Down, Progress... need I go on!!
Open your mind
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26/02/2021 10:37:46 13 4
bbc
There's no guaranteed safe approach in this;

Reopen clubs & risk greater, more dangerous virus mutations & lockdown 3, 4, etc doing further economic damage & costing more lives.

Or

Keep these things closed indefinitely until we're as sure as can be that the virus is gone for good, which may be never.

Either way, someone needs to make a choice & be able to accept responsibility for the outcome
72
26/02/2021 13:32:03 4 11
bbc
Have you still not learned the lesson from Asia?

More pain NOW means far less pain tomorrow.

The UK government has already admitted it has no long-term strategy/plan for "living with covid".

The plan SHOULD be to suppress cases as far as possible while building up herd immunity through vaccination - at THAT point, and only at that point can you open up again.
73
26/02/2021 13:29:14 3 11
bbc
Madness the nightclub age group has not even been vaccinated yet ...it will be where covid mutates
82
26/02/2021 14:17:39 5 3
bbc
Lockdown has mutated your sense of reality.
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26/02/2021 11:30:16 7 2
bbc
Imagine you used all your savings and other support/borrowing to pay the mortgage for 15 months and now have next to zero left to scrape. The difference between say 2 months and 4 months will be the difference between you having a home or it being repossessed.
It's not hard then to imagine businesses in similar situations.
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26/02/2021 13:35:38 1 1
bbc
Imagine you're a pub that's just about stayed afloat. You learn you can reopen so you invest on buying in fresh beer/food and run an ad campaign to announce reopening - this costs you all of your remaning cash reserves.

Then 3 weeks after reopening, you're told to close again, because once again, the UK government has screwed things up by rushing the reopening - just like they did last summer.
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26/02/2021 14:33:21 1 0
bbc
So faced with the dilemma of going out of business or re-starting but be *potentially* locked down again, you would choose to just go out of business?
You're not the only one to remember last year. I would expect a more just-in-time / cautious approach to inventory - if lockdown happens I don't need to pour loads of booze down the drain.
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JGC
26/02/2021 13:38:23 27 9
bbc
If you don't want to go to a night club or you are worried you might catch Covid there then don't go. But if other people want to then let them. I am fed up of people that don't do something anyay telling other people they should not be allowed to do that either.
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26/02/2021 14:02:33 15 5
bbc
Now the vaccines are here and proven to work life needs to return to normal (as it did when flu was around killing 20,000 people a year). Why do we have to accept a society where the majority have to limit their lives because of the concerns of a few - as you say, evaluate the risks involved, if you are not comfortable with them then don't go - no one is forcing people to go to night clubs.
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26/02/2021 14:13:26 3 5
bbc
Yes, just let those that want to spread the virus do that and then give it to those who want to stay healthy. Dancing around in the dark is not really important.
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26/02/2021 12:12:27 10 11
bbc
Disgusting Toilets that stink of urine or sick, drunk and vulgar clientele, fights plus the classic comment” you looking at my bird”. At the end of evening out come the nightclub clientele staggering down the road chucking up in the gutter whilst trying to buy a Donner Kebab at 4.00am, once purchased Chuck most of the kebab on the pavement with whatever it was wrapped in. Nightclubs not missed
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26/02/2021 13:43:36 1 1
bbc
What an outstanding picture you pain of UK nightlife...

From 40 years ago!!!!
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26/02/2021 13:53:47 11 3
bbc
June 21st. Just open it for the 0ver 50s.??
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26/02/2021 14:36:59 9 1
bbc
50 year old here - I would be up for that! I wouldn't then feel like the oldest fart in the place, quite the opposite! ??
Of course I would want it to hopefully return to normal as soon as possible - but some discotheques (are they still called that) might find a niche for us older and slightly slower moving folks??
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JGC
26/02/2021 13:38:23 27 9
bbc
If you don't want to go to a night club or you are worried you might catch Covid there then don't go. But if other people want to then let them. I am fed up of people that don't do something anyay telling other people they should not be allowed to do that either.
78
26/02/2021 14:02:33 15 5
bbc
Now the vaccines are here and proven to work life needs to return to normal (as it did when flu was around killing 20,000 people a year). Why do we have to accept a society where the majority have to limit their lives because of the concerns of a few - as you say, evaluate the risks involved, if you are not comfortable with them then don't go - no one is forcing people to go to night clubs.
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26/02/2021 14:09:13 9 10
bbc
Who cares? With nightclubs closed there will be less late night violence and drunken behaviour meaning that the Police can concentrate of catching real criminals and Ambulance crews can attend real emergencies and not just drink related morons.
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26/02/2021 16:13:29 5 0
bbc
I will be able to drive directly home through the town centre instead of having to use a detour due to the road being closed to enable clubbers to stagger drunkenly in the road and puke.
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JGC
26/02/2021 13:38:23 27 9
bbc
If you don't want to go to a night club or you are worried you might catch Covid there then don't go. But if other people want to then let them. I am fed up of people that don't do something anyay telling other people they should not be allowed to do that either.
80
26/02/2021 14:13:26 3 5
bbc
Yes, just let those that want to spread the virus do that and then give it to those who want to stay healthy. Dancing around in the dark is not really important.
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26/02/2021 15:10:01 6 2
bbc
Its not important to you, doesn't mean its not important to others. Also, if we have a vaccine that significantly reduces transmission and serious illness whats the problem with the virus spreading? Did you hide at home every winter incase you caught the flu - locking yourself in your house for the winter? I suspect not.
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26/02/2021 12:55:28 34 6
bbc
So many old codgers on here saying how bad nightclubs are and that they should never open again. If you are too old for that scene then there is nothing you can do, nothing you can say. It doesn't belong to you!
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26/02/2021 14:16:31 15 15
bbc
Boozing, dancing around like you're having a fit has nothing to do with age. Common sense simply says that if the infection is going to spread anywhere it will be in a nightclub. By the way, it doesn't belong to you either.
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26/02/2021 22:09:19 0 2
bbc
Common sense has so far led you all over a cliff falling into nazi land. Sack the useless government. Stop the Mad Scientific experiment. and Sue the thieving vultures trying to run the entertainment industry into the ground. End the madness. Yesterday.
73
26/02/2021 13:29:14 3 11
bbc
Madness the nightclub age group has not even been vaccinated yet ...it will be where covid mutates
82
26/02/2021 14:17:39 5 3
bbc
Lockdown has mutated your sense of reality.
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26/02/2021 12:23:05 13 1
bbc
There are other ways to address your points.
I may have been a little irresponsible in my youth (now 50, somehow), but let's not take away everything we now disapprove of from the younger generation - because many of us enjoyed the benefit of having it.
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26/02/2021 14:18:09 1 1
bbc
We didn't live through a pandemic.
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26/02/2021 14:45:08 2 1
bbc
How would we honestly feel though if we were in our teens and 20s and being made to stay indoors and not meet because there's a virus affecting *some* (often quite elderly and with underlying health issues) people in society.
Maybe for a few months - but it's been 15+ months and try to remember back, that's a bloody big fraction of your youth (we're old for a lot longer than we're young).
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26/02/2021 10:59:34 5 20
bbc
I have always believed nightclubs are places for the wayward. We are better off without them. Have I been wrong?
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26/02/2021 14:18:29 1 2
bbc
Yes!
85
26/02/2021 14:30:08 3 5
bbc
they create too much noise pollution, careless teens create nuisance and there's a chronic shortage of housing. Knock them down and build some flats.
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26/02/2021 14:34:06 5 3
bbc
I am certain you're just trolling - very funny :-D
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26/02/2021 13:35:38 1 1
bbc
Imagine you're a pub that's just about stayed afloat. You learn you can reopen so you invest on buying in fresh beer/food and run an ad campaign to announce reopening - this costs you all of your remaning cash reserves.

Then 3 weeks after reopening, you're told to close again, because once again, the UK government has screwed things up by rushing the reopening - just like they did last summer.
86
26/02/2021 14:33:21 1 0
bbc
So faced with the dilemma of going out of business or re-starting but be *potentially* locked down again, you would choose to just go out of business?
You're not the only one to remember last year. I would expect a more just-in-time / cautious approach to inventory - if lockdown happens I don't need to pour loads of booze down the drain.
87
26/02/2021 14:33:55 4 10
bbc
IF ALL THESE MILLENNIALS WOULD JUST STOP GOING OUT FOR 5 minutes and wasting money on trivial things like nightclubs THEN THEY WOULD BE ANLE TO SAVE FOR THEOR OWN PROPERTY AND STOP SPONGING OFF THE BANK OF MUM AND DAD. I SACRIFICED EVERYTHING AND ATE NOTHINGBUT CABBAGE SO ICOULD BUY MY FIRST HOME FOR £1750 it’s now worth £500000.
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26/02/2021 16:29:05 1 1
bbc
Try turning off the caps lock.
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26/02/2021 21:53:59 1 0
bbc
Its not 5 minutes though. It has been nearly 12 MONTHS now since nightclubs have been closed. Theres more to life than property alone.
85
26/02/2021 14:30:08 3 5
bbc
they create too much noise pollution, careless teens create nuisance and there's a chronic shortage of housing. Knock them down and build some flats.
88
26/02/2021 14:34:06 5 3
bbc
I am certain you're just trolling - very funny :-D
77
26/02/2021 13:53:47 11 3
bbc
June 21st. Just open it for the 0ver 50s.??
89
26/02/2021 14:36:59 9 1
bbc
50 year old here - I would be up for that! I wouldn't then feel like the oldest fart in the place, quite the opposite! ??
Of course I would want it to hopefully return to normal as soon as possible - but some discotheques (are they still called that) might find a niche for us older and slightly slower moving folks??
90
26/02/2021 14:43:28 2 2
bbc
It depends if the landlord thinks they could be put to a better return when the restrictions are lifted.
83
26/02/2021 14:18:09 1 1
bbc
We didn't live through a pandemic.
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26/02/2021 14:45:08 2 1
bbc
How would we honestly feel though if we were in our teens and 20s and being made to stay indoors and not meet because there's a virus affecting *some* (often quite elderly and with underlying health issues) people in society.
Maybe for a few months - but it's been 15+ months and try to remember back, that's a bloody big fraction of your youth (we're old for a lot longer than we're young).
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mjp
26/02/2021 18:23:30 1 0
bbc
Try saying that to a family that lost a late-thirties son, a non-smoker, healthy eating, teetotal, gym-goer. A son who was a Doctor, with no underlying issues and fit as a fiddle, who died with complete organ failure in intensive care with 20+ tubes coming out of him - all due to COVID.

Yes, it *mostly* affects older people - but it can and has had devastating effects on below 40's too.
1
26/02/2021 10:20:38 13 2
bbc
"I will survive" ...can be their theme song!!
92
26/02/2021 14:55:48 3 5
bbc
I'd go for "Oops I did it again" by Britney Spears of "Hey Stoopid" by Alice Cooper
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27/02/2021 20:14:46 0 0
bbc
In reference I should imagine by your comments?
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26/02/2021 13:13:02 7 8
bbc
My main enjoyment in life is social dancing which as far as covid goes is just as bad as night clubs. Within my scene, there's lots of optimism for a restart in June, but frankly, this is crazy talk - it would be like actively encouraging the virus to produce a vaccine resistant mutant and then we're back to square one. It would be a prime example of more haste less speed.
93
26/02/2021 14:56:34 1 1
bbc
I think mutations will occur anyway. I love dancing too. My main concern is that it will lead to superspreading events which will then be rapidly passed to the unvaccinated. maybe we need vaccine passports or Michael Mina had very rapid tests for £1 he developed about a year ago. Its time for some sensible planning.
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26/02/2021 15:06:08 0 3
bbc
Reddit share buying tip - London Rubber Company.
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26/02/2021 16:28:05 0 1
bbc
You can't buy shares in London Rubber Company.
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26/02/2021 15:08:27 5 4
bbc
I am an OAP but when I was young I really loved going to dancehalls/discos and I would have really missed not being able go out dancing at the weekend. I really dont think these places can do social distancing but given that the clientele will be mostly under 40 perhaps this is a case for using vaccine passports so that young folks can "bust some moves" on the dance floor!
80
26/02/2021 14:13:26 3 5
bbc
Yes, just let those that want to spread the virus do that and then give it to those who want to stay healthy. Dancing around in the dark is not really important.
96
26/02/2021 15:10:01 6 2
bbc
Its not important to you, doesn't mean its not important to others. Also, if we have a vaccine that significantly reduces transmission and serious illness whats the problem with the virus spreading? Did you hide at home every winter incase you caught the flu - locking yourself in your house for the winter? I suspect not.
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26/02/2021 15:21:46 4 3
bbc
I think its impractical to test clubber on entry, social distance, mask wearing etc and same for concerts.
The only way i see to do this is based on infections per city post 21st June. If the vaccine works as well as expected and take up is good then there should be a small amount of covid infections. In cities where this is true, let them party with no restrictions, safe and practical.
98
26/02/2021 15:34:27 3 2
bbc
So encourage clobbers to travel large distances, great idea
97
26/02/2021 15:21:46 4 3
bbc
I think its impractical to test clubber on entry, social distance, mask wearing etc and same for concerts.
The only way i see to do this is based on infections per city post 21st June. If the vaccine works as well as expected and take up is good then there should be a small amount of covid infections. In cities where this is true, let them party with no restrictions, safe and practical.
98
26/02/2021 15:34:27 3 2
bbc
So encourage clobbers to travel large distances, great idea
100
26/02/2021 15:43:54 1 1
bbc
Some people would travel occasionally but most would not so the risk is reduced.
People need to get out of the mindset of just close it and start thinking how to open safely
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26/02/2021 15:37:25 5 7
bbc
If ever an environment was designed to spread infection it’s a packed nightclub full of alcohol induced 20 somethings. They should be only opened when herd immunity is achieved and confirmed over a sustained period
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26/02/2021 15:50:25 4 1
bbc
Covid is here to stay regardless of the vaccine, it will have seasonal peaks and no doubt there will be new strains. There is no scenario where we suddenly reach herd immunity and covid will disappear, it will keep mutating like the flu.
98
26/02/2021 15:34:27 3 2
bbc
So encourage clobbers to travel large distances, great idea
100
26/02/2021 15:43:54 1 1
bbc
Some people would travel occasionally but most would not so the risk is reduced.
People need to get out of the mindset of just close it and start thinking how to open safely