Vauxhall: Crunch talks to save Ellesmere Port plant continue
25/02/2021 | news | business | 238
Vauxhall's parent company has previously said its fate depends on the government's commitment to the car industry.
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25/02/2021 10:35:56 28 3
bbc
Forget proping up the housing market with stamp duty extensions. Start investing in battery manufacturing.
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25/02/2021 10:51:43 30 25
bbc
Why should EU battery manufacturing invest in Brexit-UK?
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25/02/2021 12:57:08 3 1
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Tesla decided to build its battery giga-factory outside Berlin.
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25/02/2021 10:36:16 24 9
bbc
british consumer has a choice. buy 'british made 'japanese' cars' or to buy euro built cars (even those marketed with 'british names'). same with all other products, buy genuine british if you can. protect your job and your neighbor's job.
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NP
25/02/2021 10:50:33 9 3
bbc
Agree buy British, but what about quality. The quality British brands are over expensive and hardly offer in the mid-tier segment. There where the choices are becoming harder.
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25/02/2021 10:50:56 1 5
bbc
If you have a Brexit-UK job to afford any car
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25/02/2021 12:33:49 1 2
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Japanese better quality ....i prefer Tesla thats American
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25/02/2021 10:36:48 34 23
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Thanks to stupid Brexit
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25/02/2021 11:04:22 12 13
bbc
Yup, and yet some brexiteers were claiming that we were wrong about the car industry leaving because of the sunderland plant (just try not to look at any of the others), and they were right about project fear
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25/02/2021 12:33:15 0 1
bbc
Brexit means cars have to EV. its good
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jk
25/02/2021 10:47:13 20 11
bbc
Another casualty of Boris's great deal......
50
25/02/2021 11:52:24 15 6
bbc
Or more likely, the French trying to hold the UK to ransom again?

Sad to say, but the writing was on the wall the moment a French company took over Vauxhall. Peugeot's record in the UK isn't great either.

Not sure why anyone would buy a French car anyway, they're bobbins.
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NP
25/02/2021 10:47:25 20 5
bbc
I use my car up to 300000 miles (12 years), get the full value out of it. Maintain it, and keep it well. I do not understand how come the country produce so many cars. It is mad consumerism. Good to see some balance is being restored and people are getting smarter to use and use it full.
10
25/02/2021 10:51:41 17 2
bbc
"cheap" Hire Purchase arrangements have every 18 year old driving around in a brand new hatchback..
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25/02/2021 10:58:16 6 8
bbc
Quite right, I've used my great grandfathers penny farthing to commute to work at the abacus factory every day, seven days a week, 14 hours a day
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25/02/2021 12:28:43 3 0
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congratulations, ' latest reg plate syndrome' is both economic and environmental lunacy
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25/02/2021 12:32:43 0 4
bbc
Germans make throw away cars
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Bob
25/02/2021 13:28:24 4 0
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There are 32.7 million driving licence holders in the UK. Divide 32.7m by 12 and you get how many cars per year you'd need to make to satisfy those people.

You get 2.7m. In 2019 there were 2.3m cars registered.

Now, not everyone with a licence will drive of course, but then don't forget all the hire cars, taxis and so on that will be registered.

People keep cars longer than you think.
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25/02/2021 14:39:00 2 0
bbc
With cars now being so much better built and lasting very much longer than they used to; there is no practical need to be having a new car every couple of years - yet so many still do.

So it's mostly about conspicuous consumption or "keeping up with the Joneses" made easy by cheap credit.
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25/02/2021 10:48:50 30 13
bbc
Closure beckons. Much more sensible for new vehicles to be produced in Europe. Brexit will wipe out UK car manufacturing.
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25/02/2021 11:06:16 20 15
bbc
Take the Brexit glasses off....you lost the vote...Nissan doing fine ok uk
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25/02/2021 11:23:21 2 6
bbc
No it won't.

German collusion will be wiped out by real competition.
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25/02/2021 12:32:17 0 9
bbc
sure it will . joining the EU wiped the British car industry out
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25/02/2021 10:42:40 2 6
bbc
Enjoy your Japanese Nissan cars BrexiteErs.

It won't be a Malysian Lotus ir Chinese MG etc
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25/02/2021 12:31:48 2 0
bbc
Japanese cars are reliable
2
25/02/2021 10:36:16 24 9
bbc
british consumer has a choice. buy 'british made 'japanese' cars' or to buy euro built cars (even those marketed with 'british names'). same with all other products, buy genuine british if you can. protect your job and your neighbor's job.
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NP
25/02/2021 10:50:33 9 3
bbc
Agree buy British, but what about quality. The quality British brands are over expensive and hardly offer in the mid-tier segment. There where the choices are becoming harder.
9
25/02/2021 10:51:21 4 4
bbc
Why not build the new Chinese electric car at the Ellesmore Port plant? I guess it will cost more than £3200 in UK but this is what we need, charge up overnight and use for commuting.
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25/02/2021 10:56:13 3 1
bbc
Don't you think that's up to the Chinese ?
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25/02/2021 10:54:26 0 1
bbc
Chinese prefer to exprt to Brexit-UK unless they gachirve significant geo-political advantage over the hist country's government as tgey do in Africa.

You vote for what you deserve
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25/02/2021 10:57:28 0 0
bbc
because the current Chinese car market - the largest and the fast-growing market in the world can absorb all cars made, or imported to
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25/02/2021 11:17:16 0 0
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because the current Chinese car market - the largest and the fastest-growing market in the world can absorb all cars made in China, and imported to China at the moment
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25/02/2021 12:31:19 0 0
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Tesla still makes the best EV
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NP
25/02/2021 10:47:25 20 5
bbc
I use my car up to 300000 miles (12 years), get the full value out of it. Maintain it, and keep it well. I do not understand how come the country produce so many cars. It is mad consumerism. Good to see some balance is being restored and people are getting smarter to use and use it full.
10
25/02/2021 10:51:41 17 2
bbc
"cheap" Hire Purchase arrangements have every 18 year old driving around in a brand new hatchback..
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NP
25/02/2021 11:02:27 5 0
bbc
Mate, that's the challenge, people don't understand. Hire Purchase and all contracts take two years of premium deprecation of asset from your pocket. All such buyers pay top depreciation cost with no ownership rights.

They are not cheap.
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25/02/2021 10:49:59 1 4
bbc
And Azda will replace 5,000 workers with Japanese and EU made AI-powered "robots" !

LOL ROFL LOL

BrexiteEr voting employees called "Roberts" thought their non-manufacturing, non-EU-exporting, non-EU national jobs were SAFE.
28
25/02/2021 10:58:40 1 1
bbc
1500 net jobs increase ffs!!
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25/02/2021 12:30:57 0 0
bbc
Britain should make AI robots then
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25/02/2021 10:36:16 24 9
bbc
british consumer has a choice. buy 'british made 'japanese' cars' or to buy euro built cars (even those marketed with 'british names'). same with all other products, buy genuine british if you can. protect your job and your neighbor's job.
12
25/02/2021 10:50:56 1 5
bbc
If you have a Brexit-UK job to afford any car
1
25/02/2021 10:35:56 28 3
bbc
Forget proping up the housing market with stamp duty extensions. Start investing in battery manufacturing.
13
25/02/2021 10:51:43 30 25
bbc
Why should EU battery manufacturing invest in Brexit-UK?
95
25/02/2021 12:34:08 4 6
bbc
Germans make rubbbish cars
122
25/02/2021 13:21:15 5 0
bbc
Conversely why should the UK Government pay a bribe, sorry I mean incentive, to an French company located in the EU ?
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25/02/2021 10:55:01 35 16
bbc
Brexit - a slow economic puncture........but we're OK says BoJoke, the economic flat tyre won't hurt because it's only flat at the bottom
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25/02/2021 11:05:01 22 41
bbc
Think you'll find there is a Brexit deal....you lost the vote.....get over it
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25/02/2021 11:14:02 6 4
bbc
Seen as you are an expert on the British car industry just how well did Luton Dagenham Ryton Ellsmere port Longbridge Loadlane do while we were in the EU?
195
25/02/2021 15:43:07 0 0
bbc
PSA will make their decision based on economic grounds, ‘BoJoke’ as you rightly name him is the leader the country deserves until the U.K. can come to it’s senses. Brexit is now history and the country will survive in one way or another. Global Britain will continue to roll over the deals that the EU have made and the ones they will make in the future.
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25/02/2021 10:51:21 4 4
bbc
Why not build the new Chinese electric car at the Ellesmore Port plant? I guess it will cost more than £3200 in UK but this is what we need, charge up overnight and use for commuting.
15
25/02/2021 10:56:13 3 1
bbc
Don't you think that's up to the Chinese ?
9
25/02/2021 10:51:21 4 4
bbc
Why not build the new Chinese electric car at the Ellesmore Port plant? I guess it will cost more than £3200 in UK but this is what we need, charge up overnight and use for commuting.
16
25/02/2021 10:54:26 0 1
bbc
Chinese prefer to exprt to Brexit-UK unless they gachirve significant geo-political advantage over the hist country's government as tgey do in Africa.

You vote for what you deserve
9
25/02/2021 10:51:21 4 4
bbc
Why not build the new Chinese electric car at the Ellesmore Port plant? I guess it will cost more than £3200 in UK but this is what we need, charge up overnight and use for commuting.
17
25/02/2021 10:57:28 0 0
bbc
because the current Chinese car market - the largest and the fast-growing market in the world can absorb all cars made, or imported to
5
NP
25/02/2021 10:47:25 20 5
bbc
I use my car up to 300000 miles (12 years), get the full value out of it. Maintain it, and keep it well. I do not understand how come the country produce so many cars. It is mad consumerism. Good to see some balance is being restored and people are getting smarter to use and use it full.
18
25/02/2021 10:58:16 6 8
bbc
Quite right, I've used my great grandfathers penny farthing to commute to work at the abacus factory every day, seven days a week, 14 hours a day
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NP
25/02/2021 11:05:18 0 0
bbc
Nothing wrong I see, getting value out of your purchases. When means are overreaching beyond and above, it inflate the industry and misery when burst. Same happening.

Brexit outlook, COVID19 has just punctured hype of consumerism and restored some sense that does not mean not to spend on essential and within means.
10
25/02/2021 10:51:41 17 2
bbc
"cheap" Hire Purchase arrangements have every 18 year old driving around in a brand new hatchback..
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NP
25/02/2021 11:02:27 5 0
bbc
Mate, that's the challenge, people don't understand. Hire Purchase and all contracts take two years of premium deprecation of asset from your pocket. All such buyers pay top depreciation cost with no ownership rights.

They are not cheap.
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25/02/2021 11:35:31 2 0
bbc
Stack on top of this the other Purchase plans where you end up paying 6-9% APR when the interest rate is 0-2% over 5 years... End of paying 3k more on the original price!
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25/02/2021 11:03:13 6 7
bbc
There is a CLIMATE EMERGENGCY we should never produce any more of these evil machines. We should replant all the trees that we destroyed by the ludicrous industrial revolution!
All cars are evil, they dont serve any purpose!!
All the former car makers should be forced to build Wind Farms & all the share holders ought to donate their money to planting trees
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25/02/2021 11:18:01 5 2
bbc
Sounding a little Grumpy today.

Without the industrial revolution, you would not have been able to type that rant on this forum.

Cars are objects, they have no soul and are not evil. They also serve a purpose, to enable the masses to travel.

Windfarms destroy the countryside and are not really green either.
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25/02/2021 10:36:48 34 23
bbc
Thanks to stupid Brexit
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25/02/2021 11:04:22 12 13
bbc
Yup, and yet some brexiteers were claiming that we were wrong about the car industry leaving because of the sunderland plant (just try not to look at any of the others), and they were right about project fear
14
25/02/2021 10:55:01 35 16
bbc
Brexit - a slow economic puncture........but we're OK says BoJoke, the economic flat tyre won't hurt because it's only flat at the bottom
22
25/02/2021 11:05:01 22 41
bbc
Think you'll find there is a Brexit deal....you lost the vote.....get over it
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25/02/2021 11:21:51 4 0
bbc
How will we get over a big mistake. Who will buy our products that we do not make ??
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25/02/2021 12:10:06 7 1
bbc
Yes, there is a skinny deal - one that limits the freedoms we used to enjoy and makes a lot of things more expensive, and they haven't got to the services negotiations yet (just 80% of our economy engine).
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25/02/2021 12:10:33 11 1
bbc
You won the vote - own it!
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fwe
25/02/2021 14:43:51 6 0
bbc
We lost the vote and some have lost or will loose there jobs, arent you proud.
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25/02/2021 15:00:54 5 0
bbc
So we have to shut up because you "won", do we?

Has no-one explained to you how democracy works...

Hint, it doesn't mean that the losers have to shut up forever!
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Pip
25/02/2021 15:58:59 3 0
bbc
As usual that's all you can come up with, wearing a bit thin now.........?
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25/02/2021 10:58:16 6 8
bbc
Quite right, I've used my great grandfathers penny farthing to commute to work at the abacus factory every day, seven days a week, 14 hours a day
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NP
25/02/2021 11:05:18 0 0
bbc
Nothing wrong I see, getting value out of your purchases. When means are overreaching beyond and above, it inflate the industry and misery when burst. Same happening.

Brexit outlook, COVID19 has just punctured hype of consumerism and restored some sense that does not mean not to spend on essential and within means.
6
25/02/2021 10:48:50 30 13
bbc
Closure beckons. Much more sensible for new vehicles to be produced in Europe. Brexit will wipe out UK car manufacturing.
24
25/02/2021 11:06:16 20 15
bbc
Take the Brexit glasses off....you lost the vote...Nissan doing fine ok uk
38
25/02/2021 11:23:11 5 1
bbc
Until the Japanese can export tariff free to the UK.

But we can sell them Stilton!
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25/02/2021 12:14:01 12 1
bbc
Nissan was pulled back from leaving by UK govt feeding it money. Is that a Brexit 'victory'? It would have stayed without the bung if not for Brexit.
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25/02/2021 13:36:26 6 2
bbc
Nissan is carrying on for now. Brexit isn't going to kill car assembly overnight, but in 5 years time take a look and see what is likely to be left.
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Pip
25/02/2021 16:01:21 2 0
bbc
Is that the only success story you can come up with, god help us.............?
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25/02/2021 11:06:34 55 6
bbc
We have known for over 10 years that Britain needed to invest in battery manufacturing and that it would require government support yet here we are still dithering and hoping some foreign manufacturer will do it for us.
Same old sad story for past 50 year.
Instead of spending money on things that doesn't matter try spending it on things that do
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NP
25/02/2021 11:09:21 3 9
bbc
Humm will island allow to mine rare-earth material (Lithium)?
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25/02/2021 12:30:10 1 6
bbc
Tesla make the best EV
207
25/02/2021 16:12:27 2 2
bbc
Forget batteries and concentrate on Hydrogen powered vehicles. That's the way forward
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25/02/2021 11:06:34 55 6
bbc
We have known for over 10 years that Britain needed to invest in battery manufacturing and that it would require government support yet here we are still dithering and hoping some foreign manufacturer will do it for us.
Same old sad story for past 50 year.
Instead of spending money on things that doesn't matter try spending it on things that do
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NP
25/02/2021 11:09:21 3 9
bbc
Humm will island allow to mine rare-earth material (Lithium)?
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25/02/2021 11:16:37 4 0
bbc
Are lithium ion the only option for battery technology?
In a few years time they will be obsolete due to their cost weight and mineral resource availability
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25/02/2021 11:23:55 5 1
bbc
There is probably enough lithium in Cornwall for UK needs.
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25/02/2021 12:26:13 2 0
bbc
lithium may be relatively scarce, but it is not a ' rare earth element'.
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sid
25/02/2021 11:11:20 10 10
bbc
The future is driven by investments in new tech like battery power.

Now we're free of the rotten EU we can take advantage and really support companies here.
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25/02/2021 11:18:10 1 0
bbc
Good idea, but we have a reduced market. The EU will not buy from us or they will make it impossible to sell anything to them.
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25/02/2021 11:20:19 4 0
bbc
And sell the product where? Far eastern countries produce vehicles cheaper (I assume the much lauded trade agreement with Japan provides for tariff free access to our market for Japanese cars) and I believe the withdrawal agreement provides for the introduction of tariffs if products are heavily subsidised, most trade agreements (and WTO rules) do,
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25/02/2021 12:03:09 2 0
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...and what prevented investment before Brexit? Our support of business was much less than other EU countries - look it up.
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25/02/2021 12:29:51 0 0
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Tesla
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25/02/2021 12:57:05 0 0
bbc
Are you advocating socialism in the form of state aid to private enterprises?

Read a history book on how that turned out where it was attempted.

You Brexiters lot really have no clue about economics. No wonder our economy is taking a battering.
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25/02/2021 10:49:59 1 4
bbc
And Azda will replace 5,000 workers with Japanese and EU made AI-powered "robots" !

LOL ROFL LOL

BrexiteEr voting employees called "Roberts" thought their non-manufacturing, non-EU-exporting, non-EU national jobs were SAFE.
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25/02/2021 10:58:40 1 1
bbc
1500 net jobs increase ffs!!
14
25/02/2021 10:55:01 35 16
bbc
Brexit - a slow economic puncture........but we're OK says BoJoke, the economic flat tyre won't hurt because it's only flat at the bottom
29
25/02/2021 11:14:02 6 4
bbc
Seen as you are an expert on the British car industry just how well did Luton Dagenham Ryton Ellsmere port Longbridge Loadlane do while we were in the EU?
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25/02/2021 12:08:21 6 2
bbc
Don't blame UK government policy on the EU.
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25/02/2021 13:01:42 5 1
bbc
Japanese car makers set up plants in the UK in the 1980s thanks to the unfettered access we had at the time to the European market. They have repeatedly said in the past few years that if that was revoked, they would have to reconsider their presence here.

I guess you know what that means.
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fwe
25/02/2021 14:52:00 2 0
bbc
The old closed factories mostly had themselves to blame, poor quality, bad industrial relations, sometimes poor design.
This has not been the case for many years in the UK under foreign ownership.
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Jim
25/02/2021 11:16:23 23 0
bbc
UK needs to keep manufacturing jobs so we have goods to sell to rest of the world (inc EU)

As such, the government needs to spend on investing in business (battery factory grants), research & proper training - not the current schemes which are worthless but cost the treasury millions.

Finally, UK business needs to improve its culture so it actively trains its (future) staff rather than buy in
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NP
25/02/2021 11:09:21 3 9
bbc
Humm will island allow to mine rare-earth material (Lithium)?
31
25/02/2021 11:16:37 4 0
bbc
Are lithium ion the only option for battery technology?
In a few years time they will be obsolete due to their cost weight and mineral resource availability
9
25/02/2021 10:51:21 4 4
bbc
Why not build the new Chinese electric car at the Ellesmore Port plant? I guess it will cost more than £3200 in UK but this is what we need, charge up overnight and use for commuting.
32
25/02/2021 11:17:16 0 0
bbc
because the current Chinese car market - the largest and the fastest-growing market in the world can absorb all cars made in China, and imported to China at the moment
20
25/02/2021 11:03:13 6 7
bbc
There is a CLIMATE EMERGENGCY we should never produce any more of these evil machines. We should replant all the trees that we destroyed by the ludicrous industrial revolution!
All cars are evil, they dont serve any purpose!!
All the former car makers should be forced to build Wind Farms & all the share holders ought to donate their money to planting trees
33
25/02/2021 11:18:01 5 2
bbc
Sounding a little Grumpy today.

Without the industrial revolution, you would not have been able to type that rant on this forum.

Cars are objects, they have no soul and are not evil. They also serve a purpose, to enable the masses to travel.

Windfarms destroy the countryside and are not really green either.
52
25/02/2021 11:54:54 1 0
bbc
Er, I think Grumpy was being sarcastic....
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sid
25/02/2021 11:11:20 10 10
bbc
The future is driven by investments in new tech like battery power.

Now we're free of the rotten EU we can take advantage and really support companies here.
34
25/02/2021 11:18:10 1 0
bbc
Good idea, but we have a reduced market. The EU will not buy from us or they will make it impossible to sell anything to them.
27
sid
25/02/2021 11:11:20 10 10
bbc
The future is driven by investments in new tech like battery power.

Now we're free of the rotten EU we can take advantage and really support companies here.
35
25/02/2021 11:20:19 4 0
bbc
And sell the product where? Far eastern countries produce vehicles cheaper (I assume the much lauded trade agreement with Japan provides for tariff free access to our market for Japanese cars) and I believe the withdrawal agreement provides for the introduction of tariffs if products are heavily subsidised, most trade agreements (and WTO rules) do,
22
25/02/2021 11:05:01 22 41
bbc
Think you'll find there is a Brexit deal....you lost the vote.....get over it
36
25/02/2021 11:21:51 4 0
bbc
How will we get over a big mistake. Who will buy our products that we do not make ??
37
25/02/2021 11:22:18 5 15
bbc
Uk has one of the biggest car markets in Europe....if not the biggest......just when will the remainers get past the vote and move on please
54
25/02/2021 11:57:56 8 5
bbc
Europe is a lot bigger market than the UK. When will leavers face the facts?
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25/02/2021 11:57:57 5 1
bbc
Please remember that we are all now "leavers" becuse we left. The so called "remainers" do have the right to point out every negative consequence of the misjudged call.
79
25/02/2021 12:29:50 2 1
bbc
When there is some positive Brexit news. So far, Brexit has failed.
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25/02/2021 12:53:35 0 1
bbc
Don't worry, we'll always be here to remind you of the awful mistake you made voting for Brexit.
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25/02/2021 19:15:52 0 0
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We're past the vote. Business isn't though.
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25/02/2021 11:06:16 20 15
bbc
Take the Brexit glasses off....you lost the vote...Nissan doing fine ok uk
38
25/02/2021 11:23:11 5 1
bbc
Until the Japanese can export tariff free to the UK.

But we can sell them Stilton!
6
25/02/2021 10:48:50 30 13
bbc
Closure beckons. Much more sensible for new vehicles to be produced in Europe. Brexit will wipe out UK car manufacturing.
39
25/02/2021 11:23:21 2 6
bbc
No it won't.

German collusion will be wiped out by real competition.
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sid
25/02/2021 11:23:52 7 5
bbc
Nothing new here, EU subsidised Ford and Peugeot production out of this country long before Brexit.

At least this time they're not using our money.
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25/02/2021 12:01:40 8 3
bbc
EU investment in these areas has been massive. The UK Gov is not matching it, but is putting up barriers that make UK less attractive to investors.
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25/02/2021 12:52:28 1 1
bbc
You clearly are struggling blaming the EU this time. Your life must feel so devoid now.

Maybe, just maybe, the past relocations of other brands too had to do with industrial considerations rather than the "evil" EU?
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NP
25/02/2021 11:09:21 3 9
bbc
Humm will island allow to mine rare-earth material (Lithium)?
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25/02/2021 11:23:55 5 1
bbc
There is probably enough lithium in Cornwall for UK needs.
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NP
25/02/2021 14:21:23 1 0
bbc
There is not enough to support mass scale :)
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25/02/2021 11:23:56 0 0
bbc
Maybe the government should buy the plant and turn it into a battery manufacturing plant.
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25/02/2021 11:29:48 7 2
bbc
Well, unfortunately, time to say good bye to Vauxhall as even tata does not want it
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25/02/2021 11:30:00 49 16
bbc
So while the UK was tearing its self apart and putting up trade barriers for over four & half years, the EU quietly got on and built battery plants in Germany, France, Scandinavian countries etc , now belatedly the penny’s dropped and the government are left scratching around for inward investment at the risk of tens of thousand of car industry jobs . Yet again to little to late.
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25/02/2021 11:56:43 27 7
bbc
I agree. It is not Brexit itself that causes damage, it's the waste of time since 2016 around it that will be the bigger issue in the long run. Wasted time cannot be made up.
However, our PM once said "Fu*# Industry". Well, it's is being "done". Where does the wealth come from then, we await to see.
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25/02/2021 12:29:25 3 1
bbc
Boris gives into the German car industry
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25/02/2021 11:31:34 33 3
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It was reported on the 15th Feb that a battery gigafactory, one of Europe’s largest is going to be built on a site at Coventry airport and it has already secured large investment. No mention in this report?
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25/02/2021 12:33:03 26 17
bbc
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/technology-news/coventry-gigafactory-plans-revealed
No names, £500m from Gov no timescale. Chicken feed in investment compared to billions of investment in EU.
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25/02/2021 12:38:27 3 2
bbc
No mention of the fishing industry problems either.
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26/02/2021 08:52:20 0 0
bbc
Lots of development linked to vehicles/tech going up in Cov. Airport is massive and flat and ripe for development. Lots of new infrastructure by it already. LEVC just up the road making electric taxis, bursting at the seams & needs more space. Govt needs to support investment like this NOW
19
NP
25/02/2021 11:02:27 5 0
bbc
Mate, that's the challenge, people don't understand. Hire Purchase and all contracts take two years of premium deprecation of asset from your pocket. All such buyers pay top depreciation cost with no ownership rights.

They are not cheap.
46
25/02/2021 11:35:31 2 0
bbc
Stack on top of this the other Purchase plans where you end up paying 6-9% APR when the interest rate is 0-2% over 5 years... End of paying 3k more on the original price!
47
25/02/2021 11:37:27 20 10
bbc
What a surprise Peugeot took over Talbot/sunbeam and closed it down and moved production to France now they will close down Vauxhall in the UK and do a deal Opel to move production to Belgium or France.
Answer don’t buy French cars now we are out of the EU. Save British car plants buy cars made in Britain.
48
25/02/2021 11:52:16 1 10
bbc
Why buy any foreign-made cars anyway?
66
25/02/2021 12:18:50 4 0
bbc
The majority of cars built here are actually exported.
75
25/02/2021 12:28:47 0 0
bbc
Buy Honda Toyota etc
76
25/02/2021 12:29:00 4 0
bbc
I'll buy whichever car I want to buy. Don't care where it's made.
104
25/02/2021 12:46:33 8 0
bbc
See, we used to do that, which lead to British car makers building shoddy vehicles because hey - they're British products so people will buy them regardless. It ended up with their deserved demise.

Now all car manufacturers in the UK are either foreign or foreign owned.

Vote again for something silly in the name of "sovrinty" and they too will leave.
135
25/02/2021 13:27:54 4 0
bbc
There are only 3 "British" cars you can buy. Morgan, Caterham and McLaren. If people can afford one, then so be it. It would make driving around the countryside so much more enjoyable.
144
25/02/2021 13:54:04 4 0
bbc
When I brought cars its not based on where, its based on what.

Big items like cars are not just made in one country, the parts are made around the world. They may be assembled in one are but that is down to the business & incentives.

Just as well you arent in business.
200
25/02/2021 15:52:49 0 0
bbc
I love my pre brexit Peugeot, the new Vauxhall cars are all Peugeot. I’m pleased that other countries are investing in our economy and providing jobs but not Jim Rat-cliffe’s grenadier, agree buy British.
204
Pip
25/02/2021 16:03:51 0 0
bbc
Still looking at those sunny uplands........?
47
25/02/2021 11:37:27 20 10
bbc
What a surprise Peugeot took over Talbot/sunbeam and closed it down and moved production to France now they will close down Vauxhall in the UK and do a deal Opel to move production to Belgium or France.
Answer don’t buy French cars now we are out of the EU. Save British car plants buy cars made in Britain.
48
25/02/2021 11:52:16 1 10
bbc
Why buy any foreign-made cars anyway?
69
25/02/2021 12:23:59 0 0
bbc
partly because they are sold under ' british' names, ford, vauxhall etc even if make in germany, belgium etc.
81
25/02/2021 12:29:52 9 0
bbc
Please name a mid-range family car that is british owned and built.
127
25/02/2021 13:33:11 6 1
bbc
What is a British made car? In UK we by and large "assemble" vehicles made most from components manufactured elsewhere. There are no British own mass manufacturers. "Vauxhall" (no more than a marketing brand) is French; JLR Indian; Mini, German; and Toyota, Honda and Nissan Japanese.

Brexit and the (non) free trade agreement with EU has put all these at risk of closure.
162
fwe
25/02/2021 14:25:57 0 0
bbc
Because British consumers love them and do not in the main care where they are built. That is just the way it is.
228
25/02/2021 23:00:39 0 0
bbc
Because there would be precious few car models to choose amongst in the UK with that mind-set....MINI, Nissan and Vauxhall (?)...The rest are extremely expensive luxury brands, such as RR, Bentley, Lotus, Aston Martin, Morgan, etc.
49
25/02/2021 11:52:17 12 2
bbc
We should be investing in these plants such that they can convert to the manufacture of Electric Cars. No reason why they cant be at the cutting edge investing in and making Batteries etc. Our economy is to reliant on services and not enough on manufacturing Vauxhall is a long established company with many skilled workers and we must save it.
73
25/02/2021 12:28:31 9 2
bbc
Who is "we"? I don't see why my taxes should support failing businesses.
4
jk
25/02/2021 10:47:13 20 11
bbc
Another casualty of Boris's great deal......
50
25/02/2021 11:52:24 15 6
bbc
Or more likely, the French trying to hold the UK to ransom again?

Sad to say, but the writing was on the wall the moment a French company took over Vauxhall. Peugeot's record in the UK isn't great either.

Not sure why anyone would buy a French car anyway, they're bobbins.
65
25/02/2021 12:17:08 2 3
bbc
It is being driven by the new (post Brexit) economics. Do you seriously think that any business would make a decision based on anything other than economics?
229
25/02/2021 23:02:10 0 0
bbc
No, they are NOT! They are as good, quality-wise, as any German or Swedish cars.....As a motor journalist, I can assure you that´s the case!
51
25/02/2021 11:53:57 1 1
bbc
As much as I'd like to see UK residents buy UK-built cars, if the product is "dead" it's maybe just better to "kill it off". What is needed is proper investment in R&D and high-value manufacturing. Unfortunately, we lack that investment and we also lack the skills to make it worth the investor's while.
33
25/02/2021 11:18:01 5 2
bbc
Sounding a little Grumpy today.

Without the industrial revolution, you would not have been able to type that rant on this forum.

Cars are objects, they have no soul and are not evil. They also serve a purpose, to enable the masses to travel.

Windfarms destroy the countryside and are not really green either.
52
25/02/2021 11:54:54 1 0
bbc
Er, I think Grumpy was being sarcastic....
64
25/02/2021 12:14:03 1 0
bbc
Er yes your quite right, sorry Grumpy.
44
25/02/2021 11:30:00 49 16
bbc
So while the UK was tearing its self apart and putting up trade barriers for over four & half years, the EU quietly got on and built battery plants in Germany, France, Scandinavian countries etc , now belatedly the penny’s dropped and the government are left scratching around for inward investment at the risk of tens of thousand of car industry jobs . Yet again to little to late.
53
25/02/2021 11:56:43 27 7
bbc
I agree. It is not Brexit itself that causes damage, it's the waste of time since 2016 around it that will be the bigger issue in the long run. Wasted time cannot be made up.
However, our PM once said "Fu*# Industry". Well, it's is being "done". Where does the wealth come from then, we await to see.
37
25/02/2021 11:22:18 5 15
bbc
Uk has one of the biggest car markets in Europe....if not the biggest......just when will the remainers get past the vote and move on please
54
25/02/2021 11:57:56 8 5
bbc
Europe is a lot bigger market than the UK. When will leavers face the facts?
37
25/02/2021 11:22:18 5 15
bbc
Uk has one of the biggest car markets in Europe....if not the biggest......just when will the remainers get past the vote and move on please
55
25/02/2021 11:57:57 5 1
bbc
Please remember that we are all now "leavers" becuse we left. The so called "remainers" do have the right to point out every negative consequence of the misjudged call.
56
25/02/2021 11:58:20 30 7
bbc
PSA/Fiat (Stellantis) will probably makes its decision based on commercial criteria to maximize returns to shareholders.

This would be achieved by manufacturing its products so as to minimize supply-chain costs and to maximize accessibility to its customers.

The EU will, in future, provide both these variables in a way that UK’s elective and economic separation now negates.
78
25/02/2021 12:29:38 6 0
bbc
And we'll have to pay in Fiat currency.
102
25/02/2021 12:42:23 4 3
bbc
Exactly, no point in them continuing building cars in the UK when most of the supply chain is in the EU and enjoys unfettered trade there.

Plus, the UK is not a reliable partner and is at risk of changing its mind again on trade arrangements and renege the FTA
40
sid
25/02/2021 11:23:52 7 5
bbc
Nothing new here, EU subsidised Ford and Peugeot production out of this country long before Brexit.

At least this time they're not using our money.
57
25/02/2021 12:01:40 8 3
bbc
EU investment in these areas has been massive. The UK Gov is not matching it, but is putting up barriers that make UK less attractive to investors.
27
sid
25/02/2021 11:11:20 10 10
bbc
The future is driven by investments in new tech like battery power.

Now we're free of the rotten EU we can take advantage and really support companies here.
58
25/02/2021 12:03:09 2 0
bbc
...and what prevented investment before Brexit? Our support of business was much less than other EU countries - look it up.
59
25/02/2021 12:04:35 3 1
bbc
Chinese £3,200 budget electric car takes on Tesla
This is the future not clunky old Vauxhall stuff
92
25/02/2021 12:33:06 4 1
bbc
And if it is like much of the "cheap electrical" stuff that comes from China it will explode and burn your house down as you plug it in to charge.
29
25/02/2021 11:14:02 6 4
bbc
Seen as you are an expert on the British car industry just how well did Luton Dagenham Ryton Ellsmere port Longbridge Loadlane do while we were in the EU?
60
25/02/2021 12:08:21 6 2
bbc
Don't blame UK government policy on the EU.
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fwe
25/02/2021 14:47:20 7 0
bbc
This is a "Vote leave" government , who else is there to blame? This is project reality.
22
25/02/2021 11:05:01 22 41
bbc
Think you'll find there is a Brexit deal....you lost the vote.....get over it
61
25/02/2021 12:10:06 7 1
bbc
Yes, there is a skinny deal - one that limits the freedoms we used to enjoy and makes a lot of things more expensive, and they haven't got to the services negotiations yet (just 80% of our economy engine).
22
25/02/2021 11:05:01 22 41
bbc
Think you'll find there is a Brexit deal....you lost the vote.....get over it
62
25/02/2021 12:10:33 11 1
bbc
You won the vote - own it!
24
25/02/2021 11:06:16 20 15
bbc
Take the Brexit glasses off....you lost the vote...Nissan doing fine ok uk
63
25/02/2021 12:14:01 12 1
bbc
Nissan was pulled back from leaving by UK govt feeding it money. Is that a Brexit 'victory'? It would have stayed without the bung if not for Brexit.
153
25/02/2021 14:14:51 2 3
bbc
All these car companies get help from ALL governments....nothing to do with Brexit
52
25/02/2021 11:54:54 1 0
bbc
Er, I think Grumpy was being sarcastic....
64
25/02/2021 12:14:03 1 0
bbc
Er yes your quite right, sorry Grumpy.
132
25/02/2021 13:37:43 0 0
bbc
No worries. But what is very worrisome is that people upvoted as if I was being serious?? & downvoted your logic ??

Obviously some people struggle with:
not everyone could be retrained
massive planting trees is not environmentally sensible
cars havent got a soul
private pension rely on investments
and without cars & trucks how will they be able to munch on their tofu??
50
25/02/2021 11:52:24 15 6
bbc
Or more likely, the French trying to hold the UK to ransom again?

Sad to say, but the writing was on the wall the moment a French company took over Vauxhall. Peugeot's record in the UK isn't great either.

Not sure why anyone would buy a French car anyway, they're bobbins.
65
25/02/2021 12:17:08 2 3
bbc
It is being driven by the new (post Brexit) economics. Do you seriously think that any business would make a decision based on anything other than economics?
67
25/02/2021 12:22:06 5 2
bbc
Of course it's being driven by economics, but if Brexit was some universal bad thing for UK car production (or the UK was a bad place to make and then sell cars on to other markets), how come JLR are investing billions, BMW hundreds of millions, Nissan hundreds of millions, all as announced in the last few months?

No, the problem in this case is the French PSA group, sadly for Vauxhall.
47
25/02/2021 11:37:27 20 10
bbc
What a surprise Peugeot took over Talbot/sunbeam and closed it down and moved production to France now they will close down Vauxhall in the UK and do a deal Opel to move production to Belgium or France.
Answer don’t buy French cars now we are out of the EU. Save British car plants buy cars made in Britain.
66
25/02/2021 12:18:50 4 0
bbc
The majority of cars built here are actually exported.
65
25/02/2021 12:17:08 2 3
bbc
It is being driven by the new (post Brexit) economics. Do you seriously think that any business would make a decision based on anything other than economics?
67
25/02/2021 12:22:06 5 2
bbc
Of course it's being driven by economics, but if Brexit was some universal bad thing for UK car production (or the UK was a bad place to make and then sell cars on to other markets), how come JLR are investing billions, BMW hundreds of millions, Nissan hundreds of millions, all as announced in the last few months?

No, the problem in this case is the French PSA group, sadly for Vauxhall.
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fwe
25/02/2021 14:34:30 0 0
bbc
Other firms could have made offers for Vauxhall/Opel, but they either did not or were outbid, PSA won. No British capital white knight in sight again. Thats the way it goes in the UK these days, shame.
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jon
25/02/2021 12:23:12 38 17
bbc
Sadly this is another result of the useless brexit deal the UK has - rejoin, remain and we prosper with true free trade.
85
25/02/2021 12:31:22 22 12
bbc
How true!
165
25/02/2021 14:32:58 1 0
bbc
An excellent tariff free deal!
48
25/02/2021 11:52:16 1 10
bbc
Why buy any foreign-made cars anyway?
69
25/02/2021 12:23:59 0 0
bbc
partly because they are sold under ' british' names, ford, vauxhall etc even if make in germany, belgium etc.
70
25/02/2021 12:25:35 29 12
bbc
Can't understand what the problem is. Surely with Brexit we're looking at the sunlight uplands.

Please don't tell me I've been conned.
26
NP
25/02/2021 11:09:21 3 9
bbc
Humm will island allow to mine rare-earth material (Lithium)?
71
25/02/2021 12:26:13 2 0
bbc
lithium may be relatively scarce, but it is not a ' rare earth element'.
72
25/02/2021 12:28:11 2 4
bbc
Vauxhall make rubbish cars like Ford ... Japanese and German brands are the ones to buy
87
25/02/2021 12:31:49 2 0
bbc
No not 'japanese or german', just british build japanese
97
25/02/2021 12:36:41 0 0
bbc
Opels are made in Germany and elsewhere in Europe. I had some terrific 3 litre Carltons back in the 90s.
108
25/02/2021 12:49:29 0 0
bbc
Made in Russia, China and Mexico, but still a “ German “ car, just not made anywhere near Germany.
118
25/02/2021 13:02:02 0 0
bbc
... and VW builds in Mexico and Brazil for crying out load. These companies are not tied to any country.
Although they might have some to avoid...
49
25/02/2021 11:52:17 12 2
bbc
We should be investing in these plants such that they can convert to the manufacture of Electric Cars. No reason why they cant be at the cutting edge investing in and making Batteries etc. Our economy is to reliant on services and not enough on manufacturing Vauxhall is a long established company with many skilled workers and we must save it.
73
25/02/2021 12:28:31 9 2
bbc
Who is "we"? I don't see why my taxes should support failing businesses.
90
25/02/2021 12:32:59 1 0
bbc
Furlough...?
5
NP
25/02/2021 10:47:25 20 5
bbc
I use my car up to 300000 miles (12 years), get the full value out of it. Maintain it, and keep it well. I do not understand how come the country produce so many cars. It is mad consumerism. Good to see some balance is being restored and people are getting smarter to use and use it full.
74
25/02/2021 12:28:43 3 0
bbc
congratulations, ' latest reg plate syndrome' is both economic and environmental lunacy
47
25/02/2021 11:37:27 20 10
bbc
What a surprise Peugeot took over Talbot/sunbeam and closed it down and moved production to France now they will close down Vauxhall in the UK and do a deal Opel to move production to Belgium or France.
Answer don’t buy French cars now we are out of the EU. Save British car plants buy cars made in Britain.
75
25/02/2021 12:28:47 0 0
bbc
Buy Honda Toyota etc
47
25/02/2021 11:37:27 20 10
bbc
What a surprise Peugeot took over Talbot/sunbeam and closed it down and moved production to France now they will close down Vauxhall in the UK and do a deal Opel to move production to Belgium or France.
Answer don’t buy French cars now we are out of the EU. Save British car plants buy cars made in Britain.
76
25/02/2021 12:29:00 4 0
bbc
I'll buy whichever car I want to buy. Don't care where it's made.
44
25/02/2021 11:30:00 49 16
bbc
So while the UK was tearing its self apart and putting up trade barriers for over four & half years, the EU quietly got on and built battery plants in Germany, France, Scandinavian countries etc , now belatedly the penny’s dropped and the government are left scratching around for inward investment at the risk of tens of thousand of car industry jobs . Yet again to little to late.
77
25/02/2021 12:29:25 3 1
bbc
Boris gives into the German car industry
107
25/02/2021 12:48:50 3 1
bbc
Don't blame only Boris. He was elected, while Brexit and the trade impediments it would raise was voted for by the majority of people in England and Wales.
56
25/02/2021 11:58:20 30 7
bbc
PSA/Fiat (Stellantis) will probably makes its decision based on commercial criteria to maximize returns to shareholders.

This would be achieved by manufacturing its products so as to minimize supply-chain costs and to maximize accessibility to its customers.

The EU will, in future, provide both these variables in a way that UK’s elective and economic separation now negates.
78
25/02/2021 12:29:38 6 0
bbc
And we'll have to pay in Fiat currency.
37
25/02/2021 11:22:18 5 15
bbc
Uk has one of the biggest car markets in Europe....if not the biggest......just when will the remainers get past the vote and move on please
79
25/02/2021 12:29:50 2 1
bbc
When there is some positive Brexit news. So far, Brexit has failed.
27
sid
25/02/2021 11:11:20 10 10
bbc
The future is driven by investments in new tech like battery power.

Now we're free of the rotten EU we can take advantage and really support companies here.
80
25/02/2021 12:29:51 0 0
bbc
Tesla
48
25/02/2021 11:52:16 1 10
bbc
Why buy any foreign-made cars anyway?
81
25/02/2021 12:29:52 9 0
bbc
Please name a mid-range family car that is british owned and built.
221
25/02/2021 18:01:36 0 0
bbc
If it's built in Britain, then it's providing jobs for British workers. What difference does it make who owns the company?
25
25/02/2021 11:06:34 55 6
bbc
We have known for over 10 years that Britain needed to invest in battery manufacturing and that it would require government support yet here we are still dithering and hoping some foreign manufacturer will do it for us.
Same old sad story for past 50 year.
Instead of spending money on things that doesn't matter try spending it on things that do
82
25/02/2021 12:30:10 1 6
bbc
Tesla make the best EV
128
25/02/2021 13:33:13 7 0
bbc
And Boeing make the best mid range jet (according to Boeing) the 737max. I wonder what they have in common ?
140
25/02/2021 13:47:39 2 1
bbc
The two people I know who have Tesla's are having ongoing problems with them. They may be the best EV but thats not saying much. There is plenty of room for other manufacturers to take the lead.
177
25/02/2021 14:50:46 0 0
bbc
And pay you to advertise them?
11
25/02/2021 10:49:59 1 4
bbc
And Azda will replace 5,000 workers with Japanese and EU made AI-powered "robots" !

LOL ROFL LOL

BrexiteEr voting employees called "Roberts" thought their non-manufacturing, non-EU-exporting, non-EU national jobs were SAFE.
83
25/02/2021 12:30:57 0 0
bbc
Britain should make AI robots then
9
25/02/2021 10:51:21 4 4
bbc
Why not build the new Chinese electric car at the Ellesmore Port plant? I guess it will cost more than £3200 in UK but this is what we need, charge up overnight and use for commuting.
84
25/02/2021 12:31:19 0 0
bbc
Tesla still makes the best EV
68
jon
25/02/2021 12:23:12 38 17
bbc
Sadly this is another result of the useless brexit deal the UK has - rejoin, remain and we prosper with true free trade.
85
25/02/2021 12:31:22 22 12
bbc
How true!
7
25/02/2021 10:42:40 2 6
bbc
Enjoy your Japanese Nissan cars BrexiteErs.

It won't be a Malysian Lotus ir Chinese MG etc
86
25/02/2021 12:31:48 2 0
bbc
Japanese cars are reliable
72
25/02/2021 12:28:11 2 4
bbc
Vauxhall make rubbish cars like Ford ... Japanese and German brands are the ones to buy
87
25/02/2021 12:31:49 2 0
bbc
No not 'japanese or german', just british build japanese
96
25/02/2021 12:36:14 0 0
bbc
Speaking as someone who bought a Qashqai....
6
25/02/2021 10:48:50 30 13
bbc
Closure beckons. Much more sensible for new vehicles to be produced in Europe. Brexit will wipe out UK car manufacturing.
88
25/02/2021 12:32:17 0 9
bbc
sure it will . joining the EU wiped the British car industry out
213
25/02/2021 16:41:19 1 0
bbc
Thatcher wiped out manufacturing, including cars.
5
NP
25/02/2021 10:47:25 20 5
bbc
I use my car up to 300000 miles (12 years), get the full value out of it. Maintain it, and keep it well. I do not understand how come the country produce so many cars. It is mad consumerism. Good to see some balance is being restored and people are getting smarter to use and use it full.
89
25/02/2021 12:32:43 0 4
bbc
Germans make throw away cars
73
25/02/2021 12:28:31 9 2
bbc
Who is "we"? I don't see why my taxes should support failing businesses.
90
25/02/2021 12:32:59 1 0
bbc
Furlough...?
45
25/02/2021 11:31:34 33 3
bbc
It was reported on the 15th Feb that a battery gigafactory, one of Europe’s largest is going to be built on a site at Coventry airport and it has already secured large investment. No mention in this report?
91
25/02/2021 12:33:03 26 17
bbc
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/technology-news/coventry-gigafactory-plans-revealed
No names, £500m from Gov no timescale. Chicken feed in investment compared to billions of investment in EU.
59
25/02/2021 12:04:35 3 1
bbc
Chinese £3,200 budget electric car takes on Tesla
This is the future not clunky old Vauxhall stuff
92
25/02/2021 12:33:06 4 1
bbc
And if it is like much of the "cheap electrical" stuff that comes from China it will explode and burn your house down as you plug it in to charge.
198
b
25/02/2021 15:49:04 2 0
bbc
People laughed at the Japanese car and motorbike industry in the 60s, for a glimpse of the future pay attention to the Chinese car industry now.
3
25/02/2021 10:36:48 34 23
bbc
Thanks to stupid Brexit
93
25/02/2021 12:33:15 0 1
bbc
Brexit means cars have to EV. its good
2
25/02/2021 10:36:16 24 9
bbc
british consumer has a choice. buy 'british made 'japanese' cars' or to buy euro built cars (even those marketed with 'british names'). same with all other products, buy genuine british if you can. protect your job and your neighbor's job.
94
25/02/2021 12:33:49 1 2
bbc
Japanese better quality ....i prefer Tesla thats American
167
25/02/2021 14:35:28 1 0
bbc
Built in China, who have called in Tesla over poor quality.
13
25/02/2021 10:51:43 30 25
bbc
Why should EU battery manufacturing invest in Brexit-UK?
95
25/02/2021 12:34:08 4 6
bbc
Germans make rubbbish cars
87
25/02/2021 12:31:49 2 0
bbc
No not 'japanese or german', just british build japanese
96
25/02/2021 12:36:14 0 0
bbc
Speaking as someone who bought a Qashqai....
72
25/02/2021 12:28:11 2 4
bbc
Vauxhall make rubbish cars like Ford ... Japanese and German brands are the ones to buy
97
25/02/2021 12:36:41 0 0
bbc
Opels are made in Germany and elsewhere in Europe. I had some terrific 3 litre Carltons back in the 90s.
98
25/02/2021 12:37:59 2 4
bbc
It was clear there were going to be some winners and some losers due to Brexit. It's just that the Brexit supporters were happy with 99% of people being losers and the top 1% being winners.
45
25/02/2021 11:31:34 33 3
bbc
It was reported on the 15th Feb that a battery gigafactory, one of Europe’s largest is going to be built on a site at Coventry airport and it has already secured large investment. No mention in this report?
99
25/02/2021 12:38:27 3 2
bbc
No mention of the fishing industry problems either.
100
25/02/2021 12:39:52 32 4
bbc
Of course PSA/Fiat are likely to want to manufacture nearer their market. Why wouldn't they?! And before Brexiters holler-and-cry about the evil EU, please explain to me why arch-Brexiter Ratcliffe has decided to build his Grenadier in France with a BMW engine? I'm listening...
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25/02/2021 12:48:06 14 7
bbc
Because the factory was already set up, and the deal included manufacturing Smart cars, whilst setting up for Grenadier production, thus contributing to overheads in the interim, pending the start of Grenadier production. Pure business decision, and an option not available in S Wales.
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25/02/2021 16:09:37 1 1
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So to sum up, Brexit is bad for business.
Not a good prospect for the UK.
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26/02/2021 08:49:36 0 0
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Because he looked at the business case and it made perfect sense. Factory already built, workforce already in place doing similar thing.