Serco: Test-and-trace firm's boss defends scheme
25/02/2021 | news | business | 236
The boss of outsourcer Serco says there are now as many people being tested per week as vaccinated.
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25/02/2021 10:29:53 6 13
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Well the T&T system has grounded Captain Hindsight on multiple occasions to the extent that even he does not knock it now...
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25/02/2021 10:36:22 9 4
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Will the real Capt. Hindsight please reveal himself? It’s the short fat one with the messy hair over there, always two steps behind every other UK leader.
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25/02/2021 11:05:50 3 2
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What an absolutely terrible attempt at a deflection post. If this was school work the teacher would CORRECTLY write all over it, See me!!
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25/02/2021 10:32:59 25 11
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"but added that a system of its kind had "never been done before in the UK"."

Really?

Could he explain this?

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/notifiable-diseases-and-causative-organisms-how-to-report
All of these diseases is contact traced, someone in every GP surgery has to do this, the fact that nearly a year after being awarded the contract he doesn't know this proves what a shambles this is.
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25/02/2021 10:36:52 9 11
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I think he is referring to the system being required to deal with tens of thousand of reports and contacts every day as opposed to the handful of instances that the system you highlight is dealing with. Apples and oranges!
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Bob
25/02/2021 10:39:13 7 2
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This comment fundamentally typifies how people do not understand what NHS Test and Trace is.

It encompasses every aspect of testing, and tracing.

So yes, you're right to highlight that tracing is not a new concept to the UK, but setting up 100s of testing sites, developing an app, and tracing on such a large scale is something unseen.
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25/02/2021 16:25:31 3 0
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Sexual health clinics and environmental health departments do this day in day out all year round. All the expertise was there, but it was largely ignored.
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25/02/2021 10:33:19 66 11
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Vaccination scheme goes from zero to two and a half million a week in two months, Serco's track and trace takes nearly a year - and they still think it's a success?
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25/02/2021 10:45:21 21 25
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The two issues are completely different, require different systems and logistics and so your comparison between the two is not really valid.

The vaccine rollout has been excellent but then they had months and months to prepare for it. Track and trace did not have that planning time and so it had to evolve in real time as issues appeared. Now it has done so, it is working well.
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25/02/2021 11:00:39 9 11
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Tories can't accept when they've done something wrong or stupid, sure just look at brexit
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26/02/2021 02:43:35 0 1
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comparing pears and apples is not the way to go.
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25/02/2021 10:34:13 31 8
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22 billion and counting; there’s simply no defending that.

There are some who should be prosecuted and jailed.
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Bob
25/02/2021 10:41:15 12 13
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£22 billion is the budget, not spend.

As of October only £4 billion of the £22 billion budget had been spent.
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25/02/2021 10:38:20 3 0
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What?
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25/02/2021 13:39:43 5 3
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Agree! The chumocracy gorging on the single tenders awarded to them is nothing short of a criminal act by the clowns of clowning street. Follow that money!!!! Will it find its way back to Matthew Parker?
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25/02/2021 10:29:53 6 13
bbc
Well the T&T system has grounded Captain Hindsight on multiple occasions to the extent that even he does not knock it now...
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25/02/2021 10:36:22 9 4
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Will the real Capt. Hindsight please reveal himself? It’s the short fat one with the messy hair over there, always two steps behind every other UK leader.
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25/02/2021 10:32:59 25 11
bbc
"but added that a system of its kind had "never been done before in the UK"."

Really?

Could he explain this?

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/notifiable-diseases-and-causative-organisms-how-to-report
All of these diseases is contact traced, someone in every GP surgery has to do this, the fact that nearly a year after being awarded the contract he doesn't know this proves what a shambles this is.
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25/02/2021 10:36:52 9 11
bbc
I think he is referring to the system being required to deal with tens of thousand of reports and contacts every day as opposed to the handful of instances that the system you highlight is dealing with. Apples and oranges!
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25/02/2021 10:38:54 37 7
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Googled Rupert to check whether related to "Two Dinners" - but then amazed just how well connected Rupe is: grandson of Winston Churchill, nephew of Defence Secretary Duncan Sandys and great-nephew of Baron Baden-Powell.

See Children - its not what you know its who you know that matters. Put that on the Summer School catch-up curriculum!
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25/02/2021 10:52:14 10 28
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Ah so all our personal successes are down to being a great nephew of someone most of us have never known. Our own personal abilities have nothing to do with it. I suspect you could just as easily find many descendants/relatives from those people that lead very ordinary lives. Why is that then?
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25/02/2021 11:03:34 5 1
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You will find similar things like this in all government run institutions....including the BBC.
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26/02/2021 09:52:48 1 0
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Nice... keep googling and your find there all in it together! "HandCock" signing a millions pounds contract with his village pub landlord for medicine phials who had no expertise is as transparent as clingfilm! Where has all the investigative journalism gone. Anyone noticed??
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25/02/2021 10:39:04 59 4
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The amount spent on our Test & Trace programme is completely unacceptable.

However, with some hindsight, I think this programme only works in remote countries who can get a grip early on, as Covid is just too infectious when endemic.

Proof of this is Germany had excellent T&T early on, but then from the autumn Covid was just too much (through no fault of theirs) and they admitted defeat.
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Bob
25/02/2021 10:43:03 15 6
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Which is exactly what they said at the beginning. In the beginning we did extensive contact tracing - just as we do for any significant infectious disease. But as was highlighted in a very early briefing, when you have a high number of cases the effect of the tracing is minimal compared to other things you can do - and requires huge amounts of people to operate.
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25/02/2021 10:59:42 16 5
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The German system cost a fraction of what ours did and was open source so we could have used theirs for free. Instead we went with our own system that was given to a company run by a tory member of the house of lords who also happens to be wife of a tory MP....

reeks to me
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25/02/2021 14:02:36 2 4
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How come the Japanese system worked then?

In Germany, Merkel wanted to lock down after the summer but was prevented from doing so by the right who wanted to protect business.
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25/02/2021 14:38:47 4 2
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It's a pity the test & trace system wasn't put into the hands of the NHS who have made such a wonderful job of the vaccination programme.

It would have saved us £ BILLIONS!!
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Pip
25/02/2021 15:39:57 1 0
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Didn't cost them £20billion either.............?
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26/02/2021 10:43:44 0 0
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only works in remote countries. Rubbish! Germany have not admitted defeat. I will bet Germany will come out just fine in the long run.
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26/02/2021 14:25:01 0 0
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It worked in Korea and else were, by starting early you keep control.
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25/02/2021 10:32:59 25 11
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"but added that a system of its kind had "never been done before in the UK"."

Really?

Could he explain this?

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/notifiable-diseases-and-causative-organisms-how-to-report
All of these diseases is contact traced, someone in every GP surgery has to do this, the fact that nearly a year after being awarded the contract he doesn't know this proves what a shambles this is.
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Bob
25/02/2021 10:39:13 7 2
bbc
This comment fundamentally typifies how people do not understand what NHS Test and Trace is.

It encompasses every aspect of testing, and tracing.

So yes, you're right to highlight that tracing is not a new concept to the UK, but setting up 100s of testing sites, developing an app, and tracing on such a large scale is something unseen.
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25/02/2021 10:57:53 6 4
bbc
My point isn't that the scale of the problem was unprecedented it's that Scotland (SNP), Wales (Labour) and Cumbria (Conservative) all did their own Test & Trace utilising their local expertise and outperformed Serco.

Serco could have utilised the same local expertise nationally (in fact they're now doing so by passing contacts to Councils) but the problem is the perception "Business Knows Best".
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25/02/2021 10:40:27 10 12
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The UK does more Covid-19 tests than any other European country.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1028731/covid19-tests-select-countries-worldwide/
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25/02/2021 11:08:05 7 6
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Irrelevant!
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25/02/2021 11:02:23 1 2
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Some people just hate facts......they are political and nothing to do with reality.
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mc
25/02/2021 11:13:06 1 1
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and 50% accurate
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25/02/2021 15:15:45 2 0
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The volume of tests matters little. What you do with the results is important. Our test and trace failed to contact 15-27% of positive cases and 9-40% of their close contacts (depending on the time period). Probably not the greatest numbers. For sure not worth 22 billion. Test and trace was politicized, and "tests performed" was the easy readout the government could use as a smokescreen.
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25/02/2021 10:34:13 31 8
bbc
22 billion and counting; there’s simply no defending that.

There are some who should be prosecuted and jailed.
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Bob
25/02/2021 10:41:15 12 13
bbc
£22 billion is the budget, not spend.

As of October only £4 billion of the £22 billion budget had been spent.
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25/02/2021 11:01:25 8 7
bbc
£4 billion on a system that is unfit for purpose is still absurd. Heads should roll
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25/02/2021 10:39:04 59 4
bbc
The amount spent on our Test & Trace programme is completely unacceptable.

However, with some hindsight, I think this programme only works in remote countries who can get a grip early on, as Covid is just too infectious when endemic.

Proof of this is Germany had excellent T&T early on, but then from the autumn Covid was just too much (through no fault of theirs) and they admitted defeat.
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Bob
25/02/2021 10:43:03 15 6
bbc
Which is exactly what they said at the beginning. In the beginning we did extensive contact tracing - just as we do for any significant infectious disease. But as was highlighted in a very early briefing, when you have a high number of cases the effect of the tracing is minimal compared to other things you can do - and requires huge amounts of people to operate.
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25/02/2021 10:44:58 5 11
bbc
Their shareholders will be praying for a variant of the virus that is resistant to the vaccination so they can make even more profit...disgusting
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25/02/2021 10:51:46 11 4
bbc
Disgusting slur on people you don't know.

Shameful.
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25/02/2021 11:01:42 4 1
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Poor comment Marco.....have you got anything of value to add to this discussion?
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25/02/2021 10:33:19 66 11
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Vaccination scheme goes from zero to two and a half million a week in two months, Serco's track and trace takes nearly a year - and they still think it's a success?
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25/02/2021 10:45:21 21 25
bbc
The two issues are completely different, require different systems and logistics and so your comparison between the two is not really valid.

The vaccine rollout has been excellent but then they had months and months to prepare for it. Track and trace did not have that planning time and so it had to evolve in real time as issues appeared. Now it has done so, it is working well.
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25/02/2021 10:55:57 1 4
bbc
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize my comparison had to be valid. I thought this was HYS, where anyone can spout tubthumping nonsense in a pointless quest for fleeting popularity.
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as
25/02/2021 19:22:55 1 1
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It was always known that a pandemic would occur sooner or later. Surely some form of track and trace should have been prepared years ago in anticipation. Similarly PPE should have been available well in advance.
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25/02/2021 10:32:00 14 9
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When I contacted Covid. I felt mildly hot with a cough. Contacted NHS and got my test kit the next day. Sent it back same day to Glasgow. I got the poss result the following day by text.

After that contact tracing never stopped. And the system worked better than I thought possible. Just my experience.

Let’s hope all comments are based on experience and not some political point scoring.
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25/02/2021 15:11:29 2 2
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That funny, the rest of the country felt that it was totally cr*p and just a money making scam for Dido.
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25/02/2021 10:47:57 6 7
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Why are so many government contracts so bad?

It seems they are so badly written. Problems like too high costs, lack of phased payments based on success and lack of failure clauses are down to the senior civil servants not doing their jobs properly. They are meant to be the experts.
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QED
25/02/2021 12:10:54 1 1
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No they are not, the government wont pay the going rate for these experts, who can earn massively in the private sector making sure the contracts favour their firm.
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25/02/2021 10:34:13 31 8
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22 billion and counting; there’s simply no defending that.

There are some who should be prosecuted and jailed.
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25/02/2021 10:38:20 3 0
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What?
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25/02/2021 10:47:45 48 6
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Dido Harding and Serco tasked to deliver something.....

??

????????????

Presumably Failing Grayling and Gavin Williamson weren't available to complete the team!
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25/02/2021 15:42:28 9 0
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Wrong strategy!
But Gov. keep pushing it as they have wasted so much money in test and trace.
Less Testing more Vaccinating please.
I don't want or need another test, I want a Vaccine.
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25/02/2021 10:38:54 37 7
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Googled Rupert to check whether related to "Two Dinners" - but then amazed just how well connected Rupe is: grandson of Winston Churchill, nephew of Defence Secretary Duncan Sandys and great-nephew of Baron Baden-Powell.

See Children - its not what you know its who you know that matters. Put that on the Summer School catch-up curriculum!
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25/02/2021 10:52:14 10 28
bbc
Ah so all our personal successes are down to being a great nephew of someone most of us have never known. Our own personal abilities have nothing to do with it. I suspect you could just as easily find many descendants/relatives from those people that lead very ordinary lives. Why is that then?
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25/02/2021 14:31:52 5 1
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When you made that reply, why didn't you refer to Soames' connection to the Tory Party?

It doesn't surprise that you defend the Tories come what may.
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26/02/2021 10:02:26 1 0
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TheHonSec.....you've never heard of Winston Churchill or the Defence Secretary?
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25/02/2021 10:52:56 43 13
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Another example of Tory party nepotism / cronyism. £Billions worth of Government contracts have been signed to Tory Party donors and supporters without any Public scrutiny.

We were promised a World Beating Test & Trace System, what we got was Dido Harding and an Excel Spreadsheet.
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25/02/2021 11:48:11 26 5
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Windfall tax for Serco (Incompetence tax?) and for all the chums.
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VoR
25/02/2021 14:33:40 3 0
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Wasn't it an old excel spreadsheet too, so it couldn't hold nearly as much data as the spreadsheets in the current version of excel? An somehow their IT resource failed to realise this. Mindboggling given that there are probably at least a million people in the UK who would have realised it.
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25/02/2021 15:40:16 1 2
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The obsolete Excel spreadsheet was deployed by IT numpties within the NHS, nothing to do with the bits Dido Harding was responsible for.
We also got Kate Bingham's Vaccine Taskforce which genuinely has been World Beating.
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26/02/2021 08:58:50 2 0
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I'm quite pleased with my Excel spreadsheets.

Especially the one that works out my income tax so that HMRC get every penny they say they are entitled to.

I'm not too pleased about the way all those pennies get spent on the likes of Serco and PPE suppliers.
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25/02/2021 10:53:27 7 8
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TT&I has been and is a success but not perfect.
Consider a thought experiment, that there are no PCR tests:
Doctors would recommend everybody and their family with an identified symptom to isolate for 10 to 14 days; instead after 24 to 48 hours between 98% and 85% of the tested are given the all clear; Saving, say, 8 working days.
At median wages, about £800. Government gets about £250 of this.
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25/02/2021 10:56:37 4 1
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Plus the uninfected and family only lose up 48hrs of their life benefitting their personal mental health
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25/02/2021 10:59:20 2 1
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TT&I has been a disaster.

Remember the World Beating App promise...... due 8 months ago.

Embarrassing.

Even Boris admits it's still poor.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/what-happened-world-beating-test-trace-system-covid-pandemic-england-822767
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QED
25/02/2021 12:09:01 0 0
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That wasn’t the purpose of t&t. It was supposed to reduce R and protect people by contains the virus. A massive failure.
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25/02/2021 10:44:58 5 11
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Their shareholders will be praying for a variant of the virus that is resistant to the vaccination so they can make even more profit...disgusting
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25/02/2021 10:51:46 11 4
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Disgusting slur on people you don't know.

Shameful.
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25/02/2021 10:45:21 21 25
bbc
The two issues are completely different, require different systems and logistics and so your comparison between the two is not really valid.

The vaccine rollout has been excellent but then they had months and months to prepare for it. Track and trace did not have that planning time and so it had to evolve in real time as issues appeared. Now it has done so, it is working well.
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25/02/2021 10:55:57 1 4
bbc
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize my comparison had to be valid. I thought this was HYS, where anyone can spout tubthumping nonsense in a pointless quest for fleeting popularity.
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25/02/2021 16:41:56 0 1
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and get called out when they do. Your comparison is a complete logical fallacy.
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25/02/2021 10:53:27 7 8
bbc
TT&I has been and is a success but not perfect.
Consider a thought experiment, that there are no PCR tests:
Doctors would recommend everybody and their family with an identified symptom to isolate for 10 to 14 days; instead after 24 to 48 hours between 98% and 85% of the tested are given the all clear; Saving, say, 8 working days.
At median wages, about £800. Government gets about £250 of this.
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25/02/2021 10:56:37 4 1
bbc
Plus the uninfected and family only lose up 48hrs of their life benefitting their personal mental health
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Bob
25/02/2021 10:39:13 7 2
bbc
This comment fundamentally typifies how people do not understand what NHS Test and Trace is.

It encompasses every aspect of testing, and tracing.

So yes, you're right to highlight that tracing is not a new concept to the UK, but setting up 100s of testing sites, developing an app, and tracing on such a large scale is something unseen.
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25/02/2021 10:57:53 6 4
bbc
My point isn't that the scale of the problem was unprecedented it's that Scotland (SNP), Wales (Labour) and Cumbria (Conservative) all did their own Test & Trace utilising their local expertise and outperformed Serco.

Serco could have utilised the same local expertise nationally (in fact they're now doing so by passing contacts to Councils) but the problem is the perception "Business Knows Best".
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Bob
25/02/2021 11:18:17 5 3
bbc
That's because Serco was employed to set up call centres. The local tracing used people on the ground.

You will always have more success door-stopping people than trying to phone them up where they will ignore the call or hang up etc.

The lower figure in contacting the person was not through the lack of trying.
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MVS
25/02/2021 10:59:00 9 12
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You always know if a government scheme is going well because the media stop reporting on the things that are going wrong.
Feb 2020 we had a total capacity to carry out 2,000 tests a day. Yesterday we had the capacity to carry out 908,000!!!
Tracing is working as well as any system can when you have 10,000 new cases reported every day, and is clearly improving.
I say well done to all involved!
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25/02/2021 11:07:08 8 10
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Exactly. The media love a bad news story. Mark my words, they are just waiting for the stories of people who fail to get their 2nd jabs in 12 weeks. Bound to be a fair few given that millions are due but they will ignore the millions that do get it and concentrate on the few that don't.
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mc
25/02/2021 11:11:49 0 0
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eh no one using the app anymore
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25/02/2021 10:59:37 9 8
bbc
"Business Man" defending the indefensible whatever next!
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25/02/2021 10:39:04 59 4
bbc
The amount spent on our Test & Trace programme is completely unacceptable.

However, with some hindsight, I think this programme only works in remote countries who can get a grip early on, as Covid is just too infectious when endemic.

Proof of this is Germany had excellent T&T early on, but then from the autumn Covid was just too much (through no fault of theirs) and they admitted defeat.
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25/02/2021 10:59:42 16 5
bbc
The German system cost a fraction of what ours did and was open source so we could have used theirs for free. Instead we went with our own system that was given to a company run by a tory member of the house of lords who also happens to be wife of a tory MP....

reeks to me
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Bob
25/02/2021 11:15:07 6 9
bbc
You appear to be talking about just the app. Another commenter who doesn't know what NHS Test & Trace is. It is everything related to testing and tracing, not just an app.

Our app is also open source. So you're also wrong about that.
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25/02/2021 10:33:19 66 11
bbc
Vaccination scheme goes from zero to two and a half million a week in two months, Serco's track and trace takes nearly a year - and they still think it's a success?
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25/02/2021 11:00:39 9 11
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Tories can't accept when they've done something wrong or stupid, sure just look at brexit
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25/02/2021 11:06:45 7 8
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I don't see anything wrong or stupid about brexit.
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25/02/2021 11:01:05 68 7
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SERCO etc get paid no matter how BADLY they perform their "service" and this government rewards the same companies with new contratcs for failure of previous contracts. Capita is another.
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25/02/2021 11:05:37 23 20
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That's normal and is usually down to the Civil Servants not understanding how to let contracts that include effective performance clauses. There is a process they go through but they really need private sector expertise working in Govt. to understand how best to negotiate better contracts.
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VoR
25/02/2021 14:31:11 5 0
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This. Both are pretty poor, performance-wise, and it is by design. My own firm transferred v large numbers of staff to Capita. Staff who delivered excellence. Under Capita, they were explicitly told to aim for satisfactory and nothing better, and resource was scaled back until they couldn't even deliver that.
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Bob
25/02/2021 10:41:15 12 13
bbc
£22 billion is the budget, not spend.

As of October only £4 billion of the £22 billion budget had been spent.
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25/02/2021 11:01:25 8 7
bbc
£4 billion on a system that is unfit for purpose is still absurd. Heads should roll
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25/02/2021 16:58:27 0 1
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Small beer in comparison to the £20 billion plus Blair spent dusting up Iraq and Afghanistan.
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25/02/2021 11:02:30 15 14
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People still repeating the same old stuff regarding test and trace not working to bash the Govt. The problem with that is that test and trace has been working well for some time now, without it we wouldn't have known the numbers testing positive with hundreds of thousands of tests carried out daily. Without the private sector we would never have the vaccine nor any other medicines or even food.
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25/02/2021 11:06:46 12 14
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Absolute rubbish!!
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25/02/2021 16:30:27 2 0
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I can assure you T&T is definitely not working well. I obviosuly cannot give evidence on here but it will all come out in the wash.
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25/02/2021 11:01:05 68 7
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SERCO etc get paid no matter how BADLY they perform their "service" and this government rewards the same companies with new contratcs for failure of previous contracts. Capita is another.
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25/02/2021 11:05:37 23 20
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That's normal and is usually down to the Civil Servants not understanding how to let contracts that include effective performance clauses. There is a process they go through but they really need private sector expertise working in Govt. to understand how best to negotiate better contracts.
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25/02/2021 11:15:49 3 7
bbc
The Civil Service has no interest in employing people with real world experience of commerce or industry. That is why they have to outsource so much.
It's the same the world over.
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QED
25/02/2021 12:07:11 5 1
bbc
No, that’s down to government not being willing to pay for the expert lawyers etc that private industry uses. I’m always puzzled when people say paying more can’t solve a problem but CEOs and contact experts need to be paid the huge amounts decided by the pay panel to do a job...
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25/02/2021 13:52:56 7 0
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Mostly it is down to completely bonkers procurement rules that mean the only same few big names are able to compete. Much of that is tied in with the ridiculous bureaucracy that has been woven through all aspects to the Public Sector. The fact the unsuccessful companies can sue for compensation tells you all you need to know. Public Sector procurement is completely broken.
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as
25/02/2021 19:30:33 3 0
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Would this be the private sector expertise that has cost the taxpayer millions in consultancy fees?
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26/02/2021 10:48:13 1 0
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Your assuming of course that all civil servants have no experience of working within the private sector many probably have before joining as a job for life in any sector is long gone!!!
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26/02/2021 14:27:13 1 0
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The Lady in charge knows how to ride Horses, what has that to do with Test and Trace?
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25/02/2021 10:29:53 6 13
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Well the T&T system has grounded Captain Hindsight on multiple occasions to the extent that even he does not knock it now...
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25/02/2021 11:05:50 3 2
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What an absolutely terrible attempt at a deflection post. If this was school work the teacher would CORRECTLY write all over it, See me!!
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25/02/2021 11:06:18 24 8
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Would like to know how this company got the contract. My company but a full digital and organics track and trace system in March 2020. Approached the Gov no reply contacted heads of NHS England no reply? Would have saved thousands of lives and lock down restrictions. So before you start advocating what a good job it is doing it should have been sooner. Save life's Gov moto this delay caused lives
Perhaps your poor English / typing skills contributed towards the problem you outline. Hopefully not but first impressions count and the first impression your post gives is not that good. Removed
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Bob
25/02/2021 11:48:22 3 2
bbc
Please show us your app and it's test findings - in particular it's accuracy across platforms etc. It would be good to compare.
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25/02/2021 11:54:21 2 3
bbc
Really! So criticising a post's typing and language can get your comment removed. Seems some people just cannot accept criticism, even polite criticism!

Ironic that it had 3 up votes and 1 down vote before being removed so others agreed.

If you want to judge for yourself, go look it up on ihysdb.com. It has every comment ever made by anyone on HYS listed there.

Off to wash my mouth out!
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MVS
25/02/2021 12:26:00 3 4
bbc
Do please excuse me, but might I suggest that a lot of tin pot ideas get pitched to government departments every day, and those who complain that they did not get a reply possibly did not deserve one.
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25/02/2021 11:00:39 9 11
bbc
Tories can't accept when they've done something wrong or stupid, sure just look at brexit
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25/02/2021 11:06:45 7 8
bbc
I don't see anything wrong or stupid about brexit.
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25/02/2021 13:31:42 4 3
bbc
Case and point right here
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25/02/2021 11:02:30 15 14
bbc
People still repeating the same old stuff regarding test and trace not working to bash the Govt. The problem with that is that test and trace has been working well for some time now, without it we wouldn't have known the numbers testing positive with hundreds of thousands of tests carried out daily. Without the private sector we would never have the vaccine nor any other medicines or even food.
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25/02/2021 11:06:46 12 14
bbc
Absolute rubbish!!
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MVS
25/02/2021 10:59:00 9 12
bbc
You always know if a government scheme is going well because the media stop reporting on the things that are going wrong.
Feb 2020 we had a total capacity to carry out 2,000 tests a day. Yesterday we had the capacity to carry out 908,000!!!
Tracing is working as well as any system can when you have 10,000 new cases reported every day, and is clearly improving.
I say well done to all involved!
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25/02/2021 11:07:08 8 10
bbc
Exactly. The media love a bad news story. Mark my words, they are just waiting for the stories of people who fail to get their 2nd jabs in 12 weeks. Bound to be a fair few given that millions are due but they will ignore the millions that do get it and concentrate on the few that don't.
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25/02/2021 10:40:27 10 12
bbc
The UK does more Covid-19 tests than any other European country.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1028731/covid19-tests-select-countries-worldwide/
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25/02/2021 11:08:05 7 6
bbc
Irrelevant!
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25/02/2021 11:06:18 24 8
bbc
Would like to know how this company got the contract. My company but a full digital and organics track and trace system in March 2020. Approached the Gov no reply contacted heads of NHS England no reply? Would have saved thousands of lives and lock down restrictions. So before you start advocating what a good job it is doing it should have been sooner. Save life's Gov moto this delay caused lives
Perhaps your poor English / typing skills contributed towards the problem you outline. Hopefully not but first impressions count and the first impression your post gives is not that good. Removed
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25/02/2021 11:11:19 14 11
bbc
Germanys track and trace system fell apart as soon as infection in rates increased. It's death rate in this wave is far higher than the much applauded first wave effort.
It shows the UK hasnt done too badly given the average health and obesity levels in the UK are worse than Germany.
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25/02/2021 11:34:35 7 3
bbc
Germany daily infection rate is half that of the UK.
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25/02/2021 11:39:17 4 2
bbc
One in four Germans are obese. About the same as the UK.
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25/02/2021 11:59:58 3 1
bbc
Your correct re track & trace within Germany. I have extended family over there & 'word on the street' suggests that it did eventually fail its remit. That said, I don't know what the Gvmt perspective is, probably the same bull as UK Gvmt sends out. Poster 'Wise1' is also correct re infection rates, but maybe German folk are far more disciplined than we are, except for the common obesity problem?
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25/02/2021 15:14:26 2 0
bbc
The German death rate is much better given their bigger population
167
25/02/2021 16:20:22 2 0
bbc
“Test performed” was (wrongfully imo) made a hallmark for good gov performance in the UK. It has never gotten that politized in Germany, though, which allowed them to take a more pragmatic approach. They abandoned mass testing when numbers went up and they entered a lockdown. At that point, mass testing has just very little impact and strict social distancing and quarantine are more effective.
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25/02/2021 10:53:27 7 8
bbc
TT&I has been and is a success but not perfect.
Consider a thought experiment, that there are no PCR tests:
Doctors would recommend everybody and their family with an identified symptom to isolate for 10 to 14 days; instead after 24 to 48 hours between 98% and 85% of the tested are given the all clear; Saving, say, 8 working days.
At median wages, about £800. Government gets about £250 of this.
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25/02/2021 10:59:20 2 1
bbc
TT&I has been a disaster.

Remember the World Beating App promise...... due 8 months ago.

Embarrassing.

Even Boris admits it's still poor.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/what-happened-world-beating-test-trace-system-covid-pandemic-england-822767
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25/02/2021 10:44:58 5 11
bbc
Their shareholders will be praying for a variant of the virus that is resistant to the vaccination so they can make even more profit...disgusting
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25/02/2021 11:01:42 4 1
bbc
Poor comment Marco.....have you got anything of value to add to this discussion?
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25/02/2021 10:59:42 16 5
bbc
The German system cost a fraction of what ours did and was open source so we could have used theirs for free. Instead we went with our own system that was given to a company run by a tory member of the house of lords who also happens to be wife of a tory MP....

reeks to me
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Bob
25/02/2021 11:15:07 6 9
bbc
You appear to be talking about just the app. Another commenter who doesn't know what NHS Test & Trace is. It is everything related to testing and tracing, not just an app.

Our app is also open source. So you're also wrong about that.
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25/02/2021 13:31:04 6 6
bbc
I didn't say ours wasn't open source. I said Germany's, which was in place before ours, was and therefore would have been free for us to implement immediately but the Government opted against this to give a contract to Dido and so they could collect data centrally.

So why was that exactly?
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25/02/2021 13:39:27 1 6
bbc
Our app is also open source. You missed the CR off the beginning of APP.
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25/02/2021 10:40:27 10 12
bbc
The UK does more Covid-19 tests than any other European country.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1028731/covid19-tests-select-countries-worldwide/
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25/02/2021 11:02:23 1 2
bbc
Some people just hate facts......they are political and nothing to do with reality.
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25/02/2021 10:38:54 37 7
bbc
Googled Rupert to check whether related to "Two Dinners" - but then amazed just how well connected Rupe is: grandson of Winston Churchill, nephew of Defence Secretary Duncan Sandys and great-nephew of Baron Baden-Powell.

See Children - its not what you know its who you know that matters. Put that on the Summer School catch-up curriculum!
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25/02/2021 11:03:34 5 1
bbc
You will find similar things like this in all government run institutions....including the BBC.
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25/02/2021 11:05:37 23 20
bbc
That's normal and is usually down to the Civil Servants not understanding how to let contracts that include effective performance clauses. There is a process they go through but they really need private sector expertise working in Govt. to understand how best to negotiate better contracts.
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25/02/2021 11:15:49 3 7
bbc
The Civil Service has no interest in employing people with real world experience of commerce or industry. That is why they have to outsource so much.
It's the same the world over.
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25/02/2021 10:57:53 6 4
bbc
My point isn't that the scale of the problem was unprecedented it's that Scotland (SNP), Wales (Labour) and Cumbria (Conservative) all did their own Test & Trace utilising their local expertise and outperformed Serco.

Serco could have utilised the same local expertise nationally (in fact they're now doing so by passing contacts to Councils) but the problem is the perception "Business Knows Best".
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Bob
25/02/2021 11:18:17 5 3
bbc
That's because Serco was employed to set up call centres. The local tracing used people on the ground.

You will always have more success door-stopping people than trying to phone them up where they will ignore the call or hang up etc.

The lower figure in contacting the person was not through the lack of trying.
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25/02/2021 11:24:23 6 2
bbc
I'd like to know how current figures for the percentage of people reached by Test and Trace compare with October's.

Also - how many are contacted within 1 day, 2days, 3 days etc.
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25/02/2021 11:24:24 0 3
bbc
Where is he? I can't find him
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25/02/2021 11:25:04 29 6
bbc
Test and Trace has been a shambles, with no best practice learnt from South Korea or other far eastern countries, where it was very clear that you needed local people with feet on the ground to make this work, not someone on a phone. Typical over paid Chief Exec defending the indefensible!
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25/02/2021 11:46:05 14 18
bbc
If that is the case the whole of the EU has failed as well ... but you don't mention that. You also fail to mention the very strict lockdowns involved in Korea and if the UK any democratised Western country would adhere to such policies.
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25/02/2021 11:33:25 4 8
bbc
"He said there were now as many people being tested per week as vaccinated."

That is because, test and trace has failed so badly, so many people think they may have caught the virus.

If test and trace had worked, it should have reduced the number of people needing tests, as those traced as contacts took action to prevent onward transmission.
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MVS
25/02/2021 10:59:00 9 12
bbc
You always know if a government scheme is going well because the media stop reporting on the things that are going wrong.
Feb 2020 we had a total capacity to carry out 2,000 tests a day. Yesterday we had the capacity to carry out 908,000!!!
Tracing is working as well as any system can when you have 10,000 new cases reported every day, and is clearly improving.
I say well done to all involved!
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mc
25/02/2021 11:11:49 0 0
bbc
eh no one using the app anymore
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MVS
25/02/2021 11:43:53 0 0
bbc
No one is using the app anywhere in the World except China where they have to and south Koreas where they use apps for everything.
The government were stampeded by media pressure into creating something that was never going to be acceptable to most users.
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25/02/2021 10:40:27 10 12
bbc
The UK does more Covid-19 tests than any other European country.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1028731/covid19-tests-select-countries-worldwide/
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mc
25/02/2021 11:13:06 1 1
bbc
and 50% accurate
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25/02/2021 11:39:54 32 5
bbc
"in the week to 7 October, NHS Test and Trace had reached only 62.6%".......

"Local public health teams, who conduct contact tracing for the most complex cases, reached 97.7% of identified contacts in the same period."

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We have learned what really works. Let's remember this.
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Bob
25/02/2021 11:46:47 13 9
bbc
OK now look at how many people those local teams contacted vs. how many the call centres contacted.

The local cases are cases that involve door-stopping people, or outbreaks in factories etc. That's fundamentally different from ringing people up. You would need a ridiculous amount of people if you wanted to do it all 'on the ground'.
Just reviewed yesterday evening's thread where I repeated media reports that BAME Communities are refusing vaccine & I was not surprised at vitriolic responses. One even wrote that I didn't value BAME who work in NHS. One responder even called me racist! Absolute spite & rubbish! Just to be clear, I'm sick of C-19 & wish EVERYONE good health regardless of colour, creed, culture, race or religion. Removed
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25/02/2021 14:30:00 1 0
bbc
Take comfort in the knowledge that when they respond with insults you establish that they have no valid arguments.
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mc
25/02/2021 11:11:49 0 0
bbc
eh no one using the app anymore
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MVS
25/02/2021 11:43:53 0 0
bbc
No one is using the app anywhere in the World except China where they have to and south Koreas where they use apps for everything.
The government were stampeded by media pressure into creating something that was never going to be acceptable to most users.
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25/02/2021 11:11:19 14 11
bbc
Germanys track and trace system fell apart as soon as infection in rates increased. It's death rate in this wave is far higher than the much applauded first wave effort.
It shows the UK hasnt done too badly given the average health and obesity levels in the UK are worse than Germany.
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25/02/2021 11:34:35 7 3
bbc
Germany daily infection rate is half that of the UK.
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Tex
25/02/2021 12:22:12 2 3
bbc
You realise that they do not report accurate numbers, I have had irrefutable evidence that they manage their reporting to reflect themselves in a good light.
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MVS
25/02/2021 12:28:45 2 2
bbc
They are testing half the number of people.
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Bob
25/02/2021 12:32:54 2 0
bbc
In total. Not currently. Their infection rate is currently, and has been for a little while now, higher than here.

And that is the point their making. It was good at first, but now it isn't.
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25/02/2021 13:47:54 1 1
bbc
That will be more down to a population that are doing what they are asked to do and stricter enforcement. The restrictions and rules around travel and what is essential would just not be possible in the UK.
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25/02/2021 15:18:31 1 1
bbc
Not true and slightly out of context. Feb figures per Worldometers:

* UK average 14k cases per day but falling (yesterday 10k cases)
* Germany average 8k daily cases (trend static but nearly 11k cases yesterday)

* UK average 600k daily tests
* Germany average ~190k tests per day i.e. 1/3rd of the UK figure
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25/02/2021 11:11:19 14 11
bbc
Germanys track and trace system fell apart as soon as infection in rates increased. It's death rate in this wave is far higher than the much applauded first wave effort.
It shows the UK hasnt done too badly given the average health and obesity levels in the UK are worse than Germany.
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25/02/2021 11:39:17 4 2
bbc
One in four Germans are obese. About the same as the UK.
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25/02/2021 11:25:04 29 6
bbc
Test and Trace has been a shambles, with no best practice learnt from South Korea or other far eastern countries, where it was very clear that you needed local people with feet on the ground to make this work, not someone on a phone. Typical over paid Chief Exec defending the indefensible!
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25/02/2021 11:46:05 14 18
bbc
If that is the case the whole of the EU has failed as well ... but you don't mention that. You also fail to mention the very strict lockdowns involved in Korea and if the UK any democratised Western country would adhere to such policies.
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25/02/2021 14:27:03 6 5
bbc
Hmm... how about Australia and NZ?! South Korea is classed as a democracy.

Why did the EU need to be mentioned? Most of the major EU nations have done better than us, economically as well, despite us having the benefit of being an island.
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26/02/2021 10:13:19 1 0
bbc
...a libertarian "demoncratised Western country" your having a laugh. It's happening here, public freedoms in UK being taken away faster than you can blink.
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25/02/2021 11:39:54 32 5
bbc
"in the week to 7 October, NHS Test and Trace had reached only 62.6%".......

"Local public health teams, who conduct contact tracing for the most complex cases, reached 97.7% of identified contacts in the same period."

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We have learned what really works. Let's remember this.
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Bob
25/02/2021 11:46:47 13 9
bbc
OK now look at how many people those local teams contacted vs. how many the call centres contacted.

The local cases are cases that involve door-stopping people, or outbreaks in factories etc. That's fundamentally different from ringing people up. You would need a ridiculous amount of people if you wanted to do it all 'on the ground'.
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25/02/2021 12:58:41 3 2
bbc
We have got alot of people, they're on furlough
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25/02/2021 16:17:00 3 0
bbc
That’s why we should’ve only contacted people who were most likely to have been infectious. The system was overloaded due to the testing philosophy and thus the high costs.
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25/02/2021 16:21:28 1 0
bbc
They're here Bob in T&T. We have been asking/suggesting for months that we become part of a national T&T/local authority team. But no, we sit in our silos continuing to fail. Trust me, the resource is here; it is just not being managed well.
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25/02/2021 10:52:56 43 13
bbc
Another example of Tory party nepotism / cronyism. £Billions worth of Government contracts have been signed to Tory Party donors and supporters without any Public scrutiny.

We were promised a World Beating Test & Trace System, what we got was Dido Harding and an Excel Spreadsheet.
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25/02/2021 11:48:11 26 5
bbc
Windfall tax for Serco (Incompetence tax?) and for all the chums.
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25/02/2021 11:06:18 24 8
bbc
Would like to know how this company got the contract. My company but a full digital and organics track and trace system in March 2020. Approached the Gov no reply contacted heads of NHS England no reply? Would have saved thousands of lives and lock down restrictions. So before you start advocating what a good job it is doing it should have been sooner. Save life's Gov moto this delay caused lives
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Bob
25/02/2021 11:48:22 3 2
bbc
Please show us your app and it's test findings - in particular it's accuracy across platforms etc. It would be good to compare.
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25/02/2021 11:06:18 24 8
bbc
Would like to know how this company got the contract. My company but a full digital and organics track and trace system in March 2020. Approached the Gov no reply contacted heads of NHS England no reply? Would have saved thousands of lives and lock down restrictions. So before you start advocating what a good job it is doing it should have been sooner. Save life's Gov moto this delay caused lives
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25/02/2021 11:54:21 2 3
bbc
Really! So criticising a post's typing and language can get your comment removed. Seems some people just cannot accept criticism, even polite criticism!

Ironic that it had 3 up votes and 1 down vote before being removed so others agreed.

If you want to judge for yourself, go look it up on ihysdb.com. It has every comment ever made by anyone on HYS listed there.

Off to wash my mouth out!
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MVS
25/02/2021 12:23:49 1 3
bbc
Indeed! I had 2 slightly mocking posts removed yesterday. They were actually mocking someone who was being aggressively rude about the Prime Minister, but that is OK on this moderated BBC social media channel.
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25/02/2021 11:58:37 29 8
bbc
Serco Chief executive Rupert Soames told the BBC: "It (test-and-trace) is now a remarkable success and I acknowledge it has taken quite some time to get there."....Serco is an absolute disgrace and it was awarded the contract based on jobs for the boys to fill the pockets of the fat cats again. Serco has a history of failure including the transportation and management of prisoners.
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25/02/2021 12:17:23 10 22
bbc
Can you provide some evidence to your claims ... including the evidence this was an appointment based on jobs for the boys.

You seem to be regurgitating Labour claims which often include individuals you know someone who know someone who know someone ... which means I am probably involved as I know someone who knows someone who knows someone.
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25/02/2021 11:11:19 14 11
bbc
Germanys track and trace system fell apart as soon as infection in rates increased. It's death rate in this wave is far higher than the much applauded first wave effort.
It shows the UK hasnt done too badly given the average health and obesity levels in the UK are worse than Germany.
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25/02/2021 11:59:58 3 1
bbc
Your correct re track & trace within Germany. I have extended family over there & 'word on the street' suggests that it did eventually fail its remit. That said, I don't know what the Gvmt perspective is, probably the same bull as UK Gvmt sends out. Poster 'Wise1' is also correct re infection rates, but maybe German folk are far more disciplined than we are, except for the common obesity problem?
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25/02/2021 11:05:37 23 20
bbc
That's normal and is usually down to the Civil Servants not understanding how to let contracts that include effective performance clauses. There is a process they go through but they really need private sector expertise working in Govt. to understand how best to negotiate better contracts.
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QED
25/02/2021 12:07:11 5 1
bbc
No, that’s down to government not being willing to pay for the expert lawyers etc that private industry uses. I’m always puzzled when people say paying more can’t solve a problem but CEOs and contact experts need to be paid the huge amounts decided by the pay panel to do a job...
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25/02/2021 10:53:27 7 8
bbc
TT&I has been and is a success but not perfect.
Consider a thought experiment, that there are no PCR tests:
Doctors would recommend everybody and their family with an identified symptom to isolate for 10 to 14 days; instead after 24 to 48 hours between 98% and 85% of the tested are given the all clear; Saving, say, 8 working days.
At median wages, about £800. Government gets about £250 of this.
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QED
25/02/2021 12:09:01 0 0
bbc
That wasn’t the purpose of t&t. It was supposed to reduce R and protect people by contains the virus. A massive failure.
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25/02/2021 10:47:57 6 7
bbc
Why are so many government contracts so bad?

It seems they are so badly written. Problems like too high costs, lack of phased payments based on success and lack of failure clauses are down to the senior civil servants not doing their jobs properly. They are meant to be the experts.
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QED
25/02/2021 12:10:54 1 1
bbc
No they are not, the government wont pay the going rate for these experts, who can earn massively in the private sector making sure the contracts favour their firm.
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25/02/2021 11:58:37 29 8
bbc
Serco Chief executive Rupert Soames told the BBC: "It (test-and-trace) is now a remarkable success and I acknowledge it has taken quite some time to get there."....Serco is an absolute disgrace and it was awarded the contract based on jobs for the boys to fill the pockets of the fat cats again. Serco has a history of failure including the transportation and management of prisoners.
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25/02/2021 12:17:23 10 22
bbc
Can you provide some evidence to your claims ... including the evidence this was an appointment based on jobs for the boys.

You seem to be regurgitating Labour claims which often include individuals you know someone who know someone who know someone ... which means I am probably involved as I know someone who knows someone who knows someone.
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25/02/2021 12:46:29 6 0
bbc
Brother of a Conservative MP, went to Eaton, was a member of the Bullingdon club
129
25/02/2021 14:34:54 6 2
bbc
Well I never, the usual Tory suspects defending the indefensible.

I hope HYS contributors have long memories and remember not to vote up your Tory propaganda in the future.
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25/02/2021 16:23:32 3 0
bbc
Look up how the most recent appointment of Director of Trace was made.
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25/02/2021 12:18:16 63 17
bbc
Rupert Soames, brother of Tory grandee Sir Nicholas Soames.

Baroness Dido Harding, husband of former Tory minister John Penrose.

Billions of public money funnelled to Tory donors & supporters.

Now Serco are shovelling that money into the pockets of their shareholders.

It's banana republic levels of corruption & snouts in troughs.

But Tory supporters just don't care - they agree with cronyism
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MVS
25/02/2021 12:27:37 19 42
bbc
Are you aware of the 6 degrees of separation theory? We are all connected to someone who knows someone in a position of influence. That does not make any of us bad people.
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DG
25/02/2021 12:50:07 11 1
bbc
Double hand shaking back handers. All MPs and full time ministers have been doing this for years.
87
25/02/2021 12:59:53 14 0
bbc
You forgot Kate Bingham, who was responsible for setting up the vaccination programme and the vaccine purchase contracts - and wife of a Tory finance minister.
100
25/02/2021 13:44:54 7 1
bbc
Good post!
You ought to have added that the same awardees will donate the remainder back to Matthew Parker Street.
Follow the Money!!
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25/02/2021 13:48:04 12 3
bbc
Agreed. Epic and shameless corruptio and massive waste of taxpayers money. T&T app is so basic it prob cost £100k..where did the £22bn go?! Worst ever Govt thanks to ERG idiots.
119
25/02/2021 14:25:17 1 6
bbc
It happens under Labour governments as well, they are both as bad as one another.
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sw
25/02/2021 14:47:29 6 0
bbc
Dido Harding,(friend of Cameron)-amateur jockey friend of Rose Paterson chair of Aintree in 2014. Whose husband, Owen Paterson was Northern Ireland Secretary, who after 3 years stopped being NI Sec, was then adviser to Randox based in NI. Randox then awarded on 27/3/20, testing kits supply for Harding's Test and Trace. See info Guardian Weekend 20/2/21.
159
25/02/2021 15:48:44 2 0
bbc
You forgot to mention that Rupert Soames is also grandson of Winston Churchill, who apparently was quite popular a few years ago.
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25/02/2021 11:34:35 7 3
bbc
Germany daily infection rate is half that of the UK.
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Tex
25/02/2021 12:22:12 2 3
bbc
You realise that they do not report accurate numbers, I have had irrefutable evidence that they manage their reporting to reflect themselves in a good light.
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25/02/2021 11:54:21 2 3
bbc
Really! So criticising a post's typing and language can get your comment removed. Seems some people just cannot accept criticism, even polite criticism!

Ironic that it had 3 up votes and 1 down vote before being removed so others agreed.

If you want to judge for yourself, go look it up on ihysdb.com. It has every comment ever made by anyone on HYS listed there.

Off to wash my mouth out!
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MVS
25/02/2021 12:23:49 1 3
bbc
Indeed! I had 2 slightly mocking posts removed yesterday. They were actually mocking someone who was being aggressively rude about the Prime Minister, but that is OK on this moderated BBC social media channel.
35
25/02/2021 11:06:18 24 8
bbc
Would like to know how this company got the contract. My company but a full digital and organics track and trace system in March 2020. Approached the Gov no reply contacted heads of NHS England no reply? Would have saved thousands of lives and lock down restrictions. So before you start advocating what a good job it is doing it should have been sooner. Save life's Gov moto this delay caused lives
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MVS
25/02/2021 12:26:00 3 4
bbc
Do please excuse me, but might I suggest that a lot of tin pot ideas get pitched to government departments every day, and those who complain that they did not get a reply possibly did not deserve one.
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25/02/2021 12:18:16 63 17
bbc
Rupert Soames, brother of Tory grandee Sir Nicholas Soames.

Baroness Dido Harding, husband of former Tory minister John Penrose.

Billions of public money funnelled to Tory donors & supporters.

Now Serco are shovelling that money into the pockets of their shareholders.

It's banana republic levels of corruption & snouts in troughs.

But Tory supporters just don't care - they agree with cronyism
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MVS
25/02/2021 12:27:37 19 42
bbc
Are you aware of the 6 degrees of separation theory? We are all connected to someone who knows someone in a position of influence. That does not make any of us bad people.
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25/02/2021 12:46:40 19 2
bbc
The 6 degrees of separation theory may or may not be true but that is totally irrelevant here. The people named here are all at one degree of separation. It stinks of cronyism, nepotism and corruption.
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25/02/2021 14:10:54 11 7
bbc
LOL... what a pathetic, nonsensical reply. Why on earth do you try such a ridiculous way of excusing what the Tories have done. None of us has family that has directly benefited from contracts awarded by the Tory Government.
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25/02/2021 14:18:33 7 2
bbc
Poor example of deflection. I've seen this before. Is this what you all decided to say on Conservative Home?
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VoR
25/02/2021 14:32:36 6 0
bbc
However, it is pretty clear (from the absence of other relevant qualification, experience, and genuine success) that in fact it is the connections that are driving v large sources of public money to individuals and companies that fail through incompetence or corruption.
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25/02/2021 11:34:35 7 3
bbc
Germany daily infection rate is half that of the UK.
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MVS
25/02/2021 12:28:45 2 2
bbc
They are testing half the number of people.
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25/02/2021 11:34:35 7 3
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Germany daily infection rate is half that of the UK.
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Bob
25/02/2021 12:32:54 2 0
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In total. Not currently. Their infection rate is currently, and has been for a little while now, higher than here.

And that is the point their making. It was good at first, but now it isn't.
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25/02/2021 12:35:46 9 6
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The UK is testing more people every day than any country in Europe. Most if not all have a failed test and trace program.
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25/02/2021 15:19:52 2 2
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Do you actually have any information on the efficiency of other test and trace programs?
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25/02/2021 12:17:03 9 2
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Test and trace doing a lot of harm. Faulty tests being loaded up onto the system, causing problems for them who have not got the virus, but a test says they have. Even employees in care homes, if the care home has or had the virus, and put onto the track and trace, the employee who works there, find themselves on the system, and will activate them as positive on the system,
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MVS
25/02/2021 12:27:37 19 42
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Are you aware of the 6 degrees of separation theory? We are all connected to someone who knows someone in a position of influence. That does not make any of us bad people.
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25/02/2021 12:46:40 19 2
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The 6 degrees of separation theory may or may not be true but that is totally irrelevant here. The people named here are all at one degree of separation. It stinks of cronyism, nepotism and corruption.
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25/02/2021 12:49:14 14 3
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Many of the governments wrong turns were much less avoidable than critics like to make out. But from day 1 they completely bungled T&T. Lessons from everywhere were how important it would be, but they were late, wrong approach, wrong sub-contract, low success rate, low adherence by population, completely oversold.
"world class", My Bottom
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25/02/2021 12:18:16 63 17
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Rupert Soames, brother of Tory grandee Sir Nicholas Soames.

Baroness Dido Harding, husband of former Tory minister John Penrose.

Billions of public money funnelled to Tory donors & supporters.

Now Serco are shovelling that money into the pockets of their shareholders.

It's banana republic levels of corruption & snouts in troughs.

But Tory supporters just don't care - they agree with cronyism
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DG
25/02/2021 12:50:07 11 1
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Double hand shaking back handers. All MPs and full time ministers have been doing this for years.
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CJ
25/02/2021 12:57:55 12 3
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Odd comparison to draw as the vaccination roll out only started in January whereas Test, Track and Trace has been absent or failing for almost a whole year. The phrase "damning with faint praise" comes to mind!
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25/02/2021 13:41:16 2 3
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The effectiveness of Test and Trace is not the same as Serco making profit on the contract. As a company they are in the business of making money, mostly from the tax payer as the have so many fingers in the Public Sector. In this case it may have been appropriate to have a fixed margin. The trouble is that so much has been outsourced there is not the capability to do it "in house".
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25/02/2021 12:58:19 21 8
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Rupert Soames is the grandson of Winston Churchill. By giving the contract to the company, the PM kept all the money in the family! (Tory Family).
The whole Testing regime and the Test & Trace regime is an enrichment scheme - corruption beyond imagination. If these were any other country we would scream black and blue, but hey its Britain - surely we are not corrupt?
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sw
25/02/2021 15:02:28 9 1
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Check out 20/2/21 Guardian Weekend 2020 Cheltenham Festival article.
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Bob
25/02/2021 11:46:47 13 9
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OK now look at how many people those local teams contacted vs. how many the call centres contacted.

The local cases are cases that involve door-stopping people, or outbreaks in factories etc. That's fundamentally different from ringing people up. You would need a ridiculous amount of people if you wanted to do it all 'on the ground'.
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25/02/2021 12:58:41 3 2
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We have got alot of people, they're on furlough
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25/02/2021 12:58:48 8 6
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If you look at the government published figures on testing results and contact tracing they are remarkably good especially as every government worldwide acknowledges that test and trace is less efficient when infection rates are high.
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25/02/2021 12:18:16 63 17
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Rupert Soames, brother of Tory grandee Sir Nicholas Soames.

Baroness Dido Harding, husband of former Tory minister John Penrose.

Billions of public money funnelled to Tory donors & supporters.

Now Serco are shovelling that money into the pockets of their shareholders.

It's banana republic levels of corruption & snouts in troughs.

But Tory supporters just don't care - they agree with cronyism
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25/02/2021 12:59:53 14 0
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You forgot Kate Bingham, who was responsible for setting up the vaccination programme and the vaccine purchase contracts - and wife of a Tory finance minister.
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MVS
25/02/2021 13:55:34 4 9
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That would be the same Kate Bingham who made such a brilliant success out of the the whole process of identifying the likely best vaccines, negotiating good procurement contracts, preparing the logistical plan for roll-out, ensuring the approvals process was geared up to get approvals in the quickest time possible and proving how great British private sector businesses can be.
That Kate Bingham?
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MVP
25/02/2021 13:01:58 16 3
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What Mr Soames actually said is that the "net impact" of the pandemic is less than 1% of profit. He did not specifically state how much profit SERCO has made from track and trace and cleverly sought to disguise this by offsetting the lost profits in other SERCO businesses resulting form the pandemic.

Smoke and mirrors with the figures and shareholders get a dividend seveal times the staff bonus.
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25/02/2021 13:02:00 8 5
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The whole Lateral Flow Tests business in normal times would be rejected outright in a sane world!
30 to 40% false negative rates - i.e one in three positive cases will be missed. This is stated in a Parliamentary paper published on 29th Jan 2021.
So why are we rolling out a testing regime that is not fit by any standards?
Surely not to enrich the 'inner circle'?
Corruption & Incompetence!
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25/02/2021 15:31:18 2 0
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That is based against the PCR test, however each test is different. Lateral flow looks to see if you’re infectious whereas the PCR test looks to see if you have the virus RNA.
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25/02/2021 12:17:23 10 22
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Can you provide some evidence to your claims ... including the evidence this was an appointment based on jobs for the boys.

You seem to be regurgitating Labour claims which often include individuals you know someone who know someone who know someone ... which means I am probably involved as I know someone who knows someone who knows someone.
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25/02/2021 12:46:29 6 0
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Brother of a Conservative MP, went to Eaton, was a member of the Bullingdon club
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25/02/2021 13:26:08 11 5
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Off course the boss of this useless firm is going to defend its actions.
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25/02/2021 13:29:57 4 8
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It was very brave of the serco team to take on what was such a pointless and impossible exercise. If only they had been given the far more sensible and far more profitable vaccination programme instead.
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25/02/2021 14:46:12 3 3
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Well I never, the usual Tory suspects defending the indefensible.

I hope HYS contributors have long memories and remember not to vote up your Tory propaganda in the future.
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Bob
25/02/2021 11:15:07 6 9
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You appear to be talking about just the app. Another commenter who doesn't know what NHS Test & Trace is. It is everything related to testing and tracing, not just an app.

Our app is also open source. So you're also wrong about that.
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25/02/2021 13:31:04 6 6
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I didn't say ours wasn't open source. I said Germany's, which was in place before ours, was and therefore would have been free for us to implement immediately but the Government opted against this to give a contract to Dido and so they could collect data centrally.

So why was that exactly?
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Bob
25/02/2021 13:53:01 5 2
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Fair enough - though the post is still flawed. The app was not in place before ours.

The German app shows the first commit on the week of May 24, though who knows if it was public or private.

Our app has commits from March but only made a public repo in early May. So no, theirs did not come first.

Ours was also more accurate & our work in that area helped to improve the Apple/Google framework.
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25/02/2021 11:06:45 7 8
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I don't see anything wrong or stupid about brexit.
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25/02/2021 13:31:42 4 3
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Case and point right here
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25/02/2021 14:08:46 4 2
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Oh dear. While trying to illustrate stupidity you use the phrase "case and point" while most educated people know the phrase is actually "case in point". Anything else you'd like to add?
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Bob
25/02/2021 11:15:07 6 9
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You appear to be talking about just the app. Another commenter who doesn't know what NHS Test & Trace is. It is everything related to testing and tracing, not just an app.

Our app is also open source. So you're also wrong about that.
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25/02/2021 13:39:27 1 6
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Our app is also open source. You missed the CR off the beginning of APP.
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25/02/2021 10:34:13 31 8
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22 billion and counting; there’s simply no defending that.

There are some who should be prosecuted and jailed.
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25/02/2021 13:39:43 5 3
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Agree! The chumocracy gorging on the single tenders awarded to them is nothing short of a criminal act by the clowns of clowning street. Follow that money!!!! Will it find its way back to Matthew Parker?
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25/02/2021 13:41:03 7 6
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Two girl guides and a scout could done much better than the test and not trace anyone shower.
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CJ
25/02/2021 12:57:55 12 3
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Odd comparison to draw as the vaccination roll out only started in January whereas Test, Track and Trace has been absent or failing for almost a whole year. The phrase "damning with faint praise" comes to mind!
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25/02/2021 13:41:16 2 3
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The effectiveness of Test and Trace is not the same as Serco making profit on the contract. As a company they are in the business of making money, mostly from the tax payer as the have so many fingers in the Public Sector. In this case it may have been appropriate to have a fixed margin. The trouble is that so much has been outsourced there is not the capability to do it "in house".
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25/02/2021 13:44:00 14 2
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So where did the £22,000 million go to for the T&T programme? Where? Scandalous. And the app is only worth £500k max its so basic. Total corruptin and theft of public money
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25/02/2021 13:48:50 12 2
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Totally agree!
Now we must Follow That Money
If any of it lands back in Matthew Parker Street then we must see prosecutions
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25/02/2021 14:30:06 5 2
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A few folk (in the know) have cleaned up during this crisis. All will have a "friend" in the government. Or, would you call it a business associate?
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25/02/2021 15:35:02 2 1
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£22bn is the total budget for T&T, across all aspects of the programme - testing, laboratories, machines, mass testing, contact tracing and the app. Up to October, total expenditure was approx. 4bn

UK has completed some 87.6 million tests - the 5th highest in the world (after China, India, USA and Russia).

We have to bow to your superior expertise of assessing the the value of the app.
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26/02/2021 09:07:31 0 0
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Another one to add to the list.

The government never learn about awarding contracts, but it's understandable as they are politicians.

It will be quietly buried just like the exams algorithm - just need to pick the right day.
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25/02/2021 12:18:16 63 17
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Rupert Soames, brother of Tory grandee Sir Nicholas Soames.

Baroness Dido Harding, husband of former Tory minister John Penrose.

Billions of public money funnelled to Tory donors & supporters.

Now Serco are shovelling that money into the pockets of their shareholders.

It's banana republic levels of corruption & snouts in troughs.

But Tory supporters just don't care - they agree with cronyism
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25/02/2021 13:44:54 7 1
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Good post!
You ought to have added that the same awardees will donate the remainder back to Matthew Parker Street.
Follow the Money!!