Apple buys a company every three to four weeks
24/02/2021 | news | business | 603
The technology giant has bought around 100 companies in six years, chief executive Tim Cook has revealed.
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24/02/2021 10:20:37 145 8
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It only has the money to do this because you lot keep buying their stuff....
:-).
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24/02/2021 10:28:33 189 37
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I hate my iPhone. I'm made to have one for work. It's rubbish compared to my Android phone. If you mention this to anyone they gasp in horror because Apple products have some sort of mythical status, but when you compare them to the alternatives they're nowt special.
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24/02/2021 10:31:19 2 59
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if I need a phone or laptop what else could I buy, they have a monopoly
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24/02/2021 10:35:24 39 5
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Quite right. A colleague at work was bemoaning the fact he was paying £45/ month on contract for his iphone when I told him my android phone does the same thing from Tesco for £7.50/month
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24/02/2021 10:48:48 19 4
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Their tax arrangements help too
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24/02/2021 11:15:26 8 4
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iPhone's failure to innovate has seen Android take an 85% market share of smartphones. Apple buying other people's idea's is the only way to stay relevant. Tim's been throwing mud at the wall to see what sticks for ages, but hasn't done anything nearly as successful as Jobs.
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24/02/2021 12:33:45 0 2
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Totally agreeYNHere
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24/02/2021 13:22:24 0 1
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No and no again , legislation changes habits not the people, as long as the politicians are paid in pocket by big tec then it will continue
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24/02/2021 10:20:56 6 13
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Apple Good.

Microsoft Bad.

(apparently)
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24/02/2021 10:21:24 17 6
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an apple a day and all that....you can see why/how a few companies are dictating how we are all going to live in the future....it used to be called monopolies.......but it seems to be a free for all nowadays...
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24/02/2021 10:23:43 4 5
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Shame the UK isn't better at it...
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24/02/2021 10:22:29 4 6
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Apple next purchase will be BlackBerry. Guaranteed!
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24/02/2021 10:39:17 2 1
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Not much of RIM left to be honest. They've selling a lot of their IP at the moment.
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24/02/2021 10:28:07 1 1
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Were $120 a share now $10.

Obsolete products and now niche car diagnostics.

Probably not interested.
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24/02/2021 12:22:32 0 1
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Then strawberry, raspberry and all fruit's.
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24/02/2021 10:22:58 187 19
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It's easier to buy more companies when you don't pay as much tax.
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24/02/2021 12:28:56 25 9
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Big tech companies are the bad guys - change my mind
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24/02/2021 13:17:03 0 5
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Which required taxes have they not paid?
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24/02/2021 13:58:31 2 3
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It's easy to pay less tax when governments make tax laws that legally allow it.

Are you avoiding tax when you make use of your anual tax free allowance on your income? No, I thought not...

So don't blame big business when they effectively do the same by perfectly legal means.
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24/02/2021 20:42:57 0 0
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I would argue its more that they can get loans to finance these purchases for nothing from banks due to near zero interest rates in the US.
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24/02/2021 10:26:29 221 12
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The only reason they acquire these companies as they see then as a threat to their business. Eventually the whole world will be run by a handful of companies. There needs to be global competition laws to tackle this as its got out of hand.
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24/02/2021 10:45:07 111 6
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Disney will own the TV, Nestle will own the food and Apple will own the tech
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24/02/2021 11:02:14 2 47
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Left wing rhubarb!
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Ben
24/02/2021 12:29:47 2 4
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Eliminating the competition is probably the reason in some takeovers but did you not read the article? In Apple's case they are buying ideas to incorporate into their own products. Their largest acquisition was Dre Beats which is hardly a competitor to iPhones, iPads and Macs.
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24/02/2021 12:47:32 8 3
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They often do it for the technology. Despite what many believe, Apple don't really innovate. They take existing tech (from smaller companies) then improve them to set an industry benchmark to which other big tech companies strive towards (and often surpass).
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24/02/2021 13:50:35 0 2
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As if that is going to happen, all the politicians in the UK and the USA are crooks in the pay of corporations. They're all on the take. Worse than the mafia in Italy.
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24/02/2021 14:06:42 0 1
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24/02/2021 14:08:08 0 1
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"The only reason". Really? What threat were PrimeSense and Shazam to Apple?
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24/02/2021 10:26:39 314 12
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My life in IT proved that if a company produce software that competes with the big boys it gets bought to shut them out. There were some good software companies that no longer exist because they charged a fraction of what Microsoft wanted. Sort of Mafia rule now.
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24/02/2021 10:49:09 210 7
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Absolutely - and not just in IT.

It's the glaring flaw in capitalism: the most effective way to gain market share is not, as theory has it, to produce a superior product at a better price, but rather to merge with or buy out the competition - until there *is* no competition. Hence antitrust laws; but these are clearly inadequate to reign in the big players across international jurisdictions.
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24/02/2021 11:02:01 22 4
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Stifle competition and innovation
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24/02/2021 11:18:55 18 3
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Interesting comment but a tad bias. The big boys offer to buy up small companies but they can’t force small companies to sell.

It’s small companies eager to sell that enables this to happen. Why, because business is not about morality you suggest but individuals and Boards making a buck wherever they can!
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PCS
24/02/2021 11:19:13 5 2
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Perhaps one day they'll take one to many bites out that apple!
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24/02/2021 11:28:05 8 7
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Who recalls...

Embrace Extend Extinguish

But yeah... Bill Gates is a great guy... *cough*
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24/02/2021 11:40:21 4 6
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But, Bill Gates is such a nice man.
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24/02/2021 11:50:07 3 2
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No different to other industries - we might have had electric cars much earlier in the 20th C had big oil not stopped that by buying up the companies developing the technology
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24/02/2021 12:04:38 1 1
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Except the Mafia don't pay you - they kill you

Not sort of mafia rule - domination with remuneration
I've worked with computers since the zx-81 and seen Microsoft evolve since DOS 1.0 - let's face it, Windows works, regardless of what the Linux and mac OSX "community" and the anti-capitalists think.

But the article is about Apple, so why are you slating Microsoft?
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24/02/2021 13:18:02 0 1
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The whole point is to get bought out by the big boys. That's how the company founders exit with a big pile of cash to reward them for their hard work. Strangely the software engineer employees writing the code don't seem to be aware of this and think it's all about the product.
404
24/02/2021 13:29:53 0 1
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AWS - great example of monopolies rarely discussed when it really should be...
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Ray
24/02/2021 15:08:44 0 1
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I think you are getting Microsoft mixed up with Apple. According to the BBC Microsoft are not even in the top 4. Seems your knowledge in IT is a bit low.
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24/02/2021 18:15:16 0 0
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Absolutely agree, there were some exceptional software out there prior to Microsoft. Once Microsoft became the benchmark for operating systems they got busy buying out these companies so that the competition was removed
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25/02/2021 12:34:52 0 0
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Windows is rubbish
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24/02/2021 10:27:22 111 11
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Apple has $193.82 billion in cash on hand: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/30/apple-q3-cash-hoard-heres-how-much-apple-has-on-hand.html

Apple's total net sales 2019 were 260billion, making them richer than 75% of countries and 'worth' more than countries such as Romania, Czech Republic, Portugal, New Zealand & Qatar.

Their stuff is massively overpriced compared to other brands.
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24/02/2021 10:43:44 42 82
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If they sell that many products, their stuff is clearly not massively overpriced.
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24/02/2021 11:24:46 7 3
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Massively overpriced is actually an understatement. A few years back the 4GB or 8GB of RAM version macbook price difference was around £200. There was no other difference in the Macbooks. That 4 GB stick of RAM could be bought retails for about £22 at the time. Imagine what Apple would be paying wholesale for that part? They are on over 1000% mark up IMHO.
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Kev
24/02/2021 11:26:20 8 17
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Thats like saying a Mercedes is massively over priced compared a Fiat Punto, they are aimed at different markets
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Dee
24/02/2021 11:31:11 12 1
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No one has to buy Apple. They choose to do so.
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24/02/2021 12:12:59 2 1
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But not so overpriced it doesn’t sell by the truckload. We live in a market economy this is what happens.
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24/02/2021 16:05:58 1 1
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If you think it is massively overpriced then don't buy it. It's really very simple.
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24/02/2021 16:12:40 0 1
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That's only if you try and compare it with cheap brands, try comparing it like with like and they charge about the same
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24/02/2021 20:37:31 0 0
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Overpriced just like the £1400 Samsung note 20 ultra
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25/02/2021 12:36:12 0 0
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Windows is rubbish
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24/02/2021 10:27:27 4 4
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"Apple has acquired about 100 companies over the last six years, the company’s chief executive Tim Cook has revealed.

That works out at a company every three to four weeks, he told Apple’s annual meeting of shareholders on Tuesday"

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Could those shareholders not work that out for themselves then ? it's (6 x 52) / 100 in case they need some help working it out.
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24/02/2021 13:17:23 0 1
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Top Tip: don't become an after-dinner speaker.
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24/02/2021 10:27:57 12 6
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Gone to pot since Jobs died, style over substance and declining quality control, cook is just an accountant so doesn't care
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Dee
24/02/2021 11:30:08 3 1
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I agree with you about Steve Jobs. It seems that the speed of competition & innovation has caught up with them & new ideas have stalled. Hence an expensive spending spree.
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24/02/2021 10:23:04 87 8
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Sadly the UK specialises in selling it's Tech Companies to foreigners...... not buying Tech Companies itself.

So we are the opposite of Apple.
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meh
24/02/2021 11:29:04 79 4
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Its shocking how we let ARM be bought out by Softbank a few years ago.

I want to see a government that actually walks the walk not just talk the talk of protecting our successful tech industry from predatory takeovers!
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24/02/2021 16:34:45 0 0
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The UK doesn't sell anything to foreigners. That decision is taken by shareholders, and they have every right to do so as they own the companies.

The challenge is to build a company that the shareholders don't want to sell, or nobody can afford to buy. Like Apple.
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25/02/2021 12:36:28 0 0
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UK sold Arm off
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24/02/2021 10:21:24 17 6
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an apple a day and all that....you can see why/how a few companies are dictating how we are all going to live in the future....it used to be called monopolies.......but it seems to be a free for all nowadays...
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24/02/2021 10:23:43 4 5
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Shame the UK isn't better at it...
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Dee
24/02/2021 11:33:35 0 1
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Some British companies are better at tech & AI. However, those companies choose to sell up.
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24/02/2021 10:23:55 79 6
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How about Apple pay some taxes ????
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24/02/2021 10:37:27 52 7
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They do, what we want is Apple to pay their fair share of taxes instead of the lip service they pay now
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24/02/2021 13:09:24 0 2
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I only pay the amount of tax I have to and so do Apple. The problem is with our stupid tax laws and not with these companies. Start going after greedy politicians and then you'll soon find the tax rules change then the likes of Apple end up being subject to sales rather than "profit" taxes.
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25/02/2021 12:36:49 0 0
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how about UK develops a tech industry
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24/02/2021 10:24:20 13 13
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I thought capitalism was supposed to encourage competition and innovation and improve society for everyone through improved quality of living and consumer choice.

Wake-up call: you've been told a lie.

This crony capitalism only delivers results for the elite and plutocrats. You will continue to support this by voting Tory.
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24/02/2021 10:35:52 7 1
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lol. Capitalism, for all the good and bad, has delivered outstanding improvements in mobile phone technology and price. The internet is 20,000x faster& cheaper within 1 generation.

However, I agree the tech monopolies are disturbing, I actively try and avoid Samsung, Apple, Google& Facebook these days. European companies are getting better (Qwant.com is a far better privacy solution than Google)
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24/02/2021 10:44:40 3 2
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Capitalism has delivered the most wealth to the most people than any other economic model in history.
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OwO
24/02/2021 10:44:50 3 1
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We don't live in anything vaguely resembling a purely capitalist society, with the country's many social programs. That's a good thing btw, the balance is in the middle - attacking people you don't like, for prejudiced reasons, doesn't help anything.
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24/02/2021 10:20:37 145 8
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It only has the money to do this because you lot keep buying their stuff....
:-).
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24/02/2021 10:28:33 189 37
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I hate my iPhone. I'm made to have one for work. It's rubbish compared to my Android phone. If you mention this to anyone they gasp in horror because Apple products have some sort of mythical status, but when you compare them to the alternatives they're nowt special.
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24/02/2021 10:41:00 24 3
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And you get to use the same cable..
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24/02/2021 10:49:36 29 9
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Agreed.

I loathe my work's iPhone 7. Every time there's a software upgrade, my hopes that it will somehow make the phone more intuitive and user-friendly are always dashed.

I miss my old Samsung android phone. :-(
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24/02/2021 11:04:46 17 7
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Apple also has the advantage that national broadcasters like the BBC actively market and advertise their products, effectively stifling the competition.
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24/02/2021 11:11:16 10 3
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I have a work iphone and a personal android. Horses for courses I find. Android (S10e) has better touch screen and camera, Iphone 7 has good apps and works well in my car but is an apple and i too have had to listen to fanboys for years singing their praises so will always like it less, especially when it just doesn't work.
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24/02/2021 11:37:01 6 12
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I am forced to have a Samsung as my work phone. Hate it. Just one feature that is crap. When the battery goes and you plug it in, the phone doesn't turn back on when charged. It just stays dead. Surely a very simple feature to add? iPhone are far superior in every way.
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24/02/2021 13:16:07 4 1
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I had an mp3 player years before the iPod. iTunes is awful to use. I had to learn at college on a Mac G4, it was much more 'crashy' than my XP PC at home. I avoid all Apple products if at all possible. My Galaxy S8+ is still great. I may get a 5G phone soon, probably a Note. Apple are for the hipsters: all hype, pile of 5h1te!
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24/02/2021 13:25:58 1 2
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agreed
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24/02/2021 13:28:14 1 3
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after many years of using Android phones from various manufacturers and finding they became slow and unreliable after 12 to 18 months I finally tried an iPhone, I've had it for over 3 years now and it's still going strong I will probably never own another Android phone...
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Bob
24/02/2021 10:29:09 161 16
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What do you expect when people are addicted to buying the latest Apple product.

'oh it's just so easy to use'

'I need the latest one'

Get a grip people and take a look at what is really important in life.
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24/02/2021 11:04:33 21 24
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It will end in tears.
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24/02/2021 11:30:15 9 2
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It's mostly about conspicuous consumption - the notion that owning such an unnecessarily expensive accessory tells others that you are "successful" and/or "stylish".

Meanwhile back in the real world; from anything more than a couple of feet away; one mobile phone looks no different to any other.
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24/02/2021 11:32:58 1 2
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Laziness takes precedence, *sadly* (operative word).
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24/02/2021 11:34:51 9 16
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Just because you can't afford them. "My Samsung is just as good". Yeah right!
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Bob
24/02/2021 11:44:38 8 1
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'oh it's just so easy to use'

Yet the first question anyone who hasn't used an iOS device asks as soon as they pick one up is 'how do I....'.

Familiarity != easy to use!
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24/02/2021 12:03:53 0 2
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Gangs capitalism impotence form the us.
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24/02/2021 12:35:08 3 2
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Over many years I went back and forth between Apple and Microsoft, eventually ditched Apple's planned obsolescence business model and Microsoft has in recent years become much more responsive and reliable.
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24/02/2021 13:30:39 2 3
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It is up to individual people to decide what is important in their lives, not for you to try and impose your views on them.
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24/02/2021 13:35:07 7 2
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It’s not people per say, it’s the nuggets who have no common sense, who are “influenced” by some other nugget with tattooed eyebrows and lips like Michelin tyres.
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24/02/2021 13:50:48 2 6
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I think you should worry about your own life rather than being so concerned with what other people are doing and spending their money on.
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24/02/2021 13:55:26 0 1
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my phone is 6 years old, no need for a new one - and it has a pen. why would I need a rotten apple? its only a toy
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24/02/2021 14:18:36 0 0
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Everyone is addicted. The Apple folk (me) won’t buy anything else, the non-Apple folk won’t touch them. So what? They’re still spending big bucks on tech. Last I checked Samsung’s flagship phone was just 30 quid cheaper than Apple’s flagship phone. Worth paying the extra when I need a new one. As it is though my iPhone 6s is 5 years old and going strong. You can even use it to speak to someone!
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24/02/2021 14:25:51 0 1
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Other people have different interests and priorities than you - who knew!
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24/02/2021 16:28:14 0 0
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I don't have a smartphone of any make & don't intend to get one until I can get a signal at my house. As for computers, Apple won't run many of the programs I rely on for my business. In my life a computer is a tool for work, so I buy the one that gives me the best performance. It's not trendy looking, it doesn't come in different colours or a jelly plastic effect, but that's not important to me.
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24/02/2021 21:28:41 0 0
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I’m guilty of being addicted to quality then. Had my Mac laptop for 6 years and it has never crashed and runs perfectly on 2021 software, I have 4 old windows laptops that died in the previous 6 years... buy cheap, buy twice. Apple ipad is the best tablet too, though I stick with Android for my phone.
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25/02/2021 12:35:20 0 0
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Windows is rubbish
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24/02/2021 10:29:48 6 7
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People moan about big tech whether it be around privacy, avoiding tax or how powerful they are but in the same breadth cannot live without their products.
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24/02/2021 10:34:26 7 3
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Doesn't mean that the way big tech operates isn't bad.
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24/02/2021 10:30:17 49 7
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From a branding perspective, you have to admire Beats headphones. From a technical perspective however, they took "average" quality headphones (audiophiles hate them for good reason), probably spending more on advertising than on the engineering.

They look like £15 of material, marked up to £100-300! I would not be seen dead wearing such overpriced trash.
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24/02/2021 10:42:47 52 3
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And Dr Dre isn't even a real doctor!
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24/02/2021 16:43:13 0 0
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Don't believe all the audiophile snobbery. I have Beats wireless headphones (among others that you would approve of) and they sound fine. Also the battery life is the best of all the headphones I own.
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24/02/2021 10:30:20 56 6
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Money represents the world's resources. Companies are a way of distributing these resources to society.

When a single company is able to own so much, they control both the world's resources and the distribution of these resources.

A select few shareholders end up with everything. Society ends up with nothing.
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24/02/2021 13:57:55 1 1
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True, though if more of society buys Apple shares....
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24/02/2021 16:37:40 0 0
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"A select few shareholders end up with everything. Society ends up with nothing."

With the exception of anyone who is in a pension fund. And what is to stop you becoming a shareholder?
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24/02/2021 10:30:25 43 10
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Top 10 richest people could pay for everyone to have a vaccine.

Now if only the antiquated tax rates were revamped wholesale...
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OwO
24/02/2021 10:42:31 22 27
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But why should they? Unless those 10 people caused the virus, this is just spiteful.
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24/02/2021 11:52:37 1 7
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No they could not their supposed wealth is in assets. To steal it from them to fund your pet scheme they would need to sell it all. Now who could or would buy it at current valuations created by their bidding it up? It is like dumping half the houses on the market at once. Race to the lowest value.
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24/02/2021 15:19:26 1 0
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It's not that they could pay for it, it's that the wealth they have amassed during the pandemic could pay for it:

'Wealth increase of 10 men during pandemic could buy vaccines for all'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-55793575
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24/02/2021 16:46:58 0 0
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The tax system is not there to punish success, nor should it be. If you haven't done well in life that really isn't the fault of those who have.
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24/02/2021 10:31:05 32 7
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Tec now more powerful than world governments ??
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24/02/2021 10:20:37 145 8
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It only has the money to do this because you lot keep buying their stuff....
:-).
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24/02/2021 10:31:19 2 59
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if I need a phone or laptop what else could I buy, they have a monopoly
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24/02/2021 10:34:24 52 3
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You're not being serious, surely?
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24/02/2021 10:35:59 28 2
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I have an LG Android phone, and 3x Lenovo laptops. Very happy with all of them. Never had Apple products except for a 2nd Gen ipod that I use once a year for music to accompany fireworks.
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24/02/2021 10:39:22 37 1
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Nonsense. There are plenty of high-quality alternatives at cheaper prices.
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OwO
24/02/2021 10:47:45 25 2
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Not even close. Something like 70% of all phones in the ecosystem are Android, and they're not even 10% of the products on offer.
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24/02/2021 10:49:41 16 3
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You have choice, even if they try to convince you that there isn't
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24/02/2021 10:51:52 19 2
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Samsung, Google, Nokia....
Dell, Lenovo, Acer.....

Non so blind as those who do not want to see
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24/02/2021 11:21:10 3 1
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Not an apple one?
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24/02/2021 11:34:56 1 2
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There are plenty of smaller companies making both.
As for the OS - try Linux, it works. In fact it works so well, many countries use it, rather than Apple or Windows OS.
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24/02/2021 13:20:17 0 1
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Apple has a monopoly on phones and laptops?
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24/02/2021 13:27:48 1 1
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Phone: Samsung, Motorola, Sony, Nokia... the list is endless. Laptop: Asus, Dell, Microsoft, HP... again, the list is pretty broad.
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24/02/2021 10:32:02 9 8
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I guess acquisitions aimed at Technology & Talent rules out buying the BBC.......
Ya know what I mean
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24/02/2021 10:52:24 4 4
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And yet... here you are, commenting on a BBC forum. What was that about voting with your feet...?
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24/02/2021 10:32:40 4 4
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Wish I had invested when Forrest Gump did.
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24/02/2021 10:32:48 8 6
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If you can remember Apple as a record label your getting old.
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24/02/2021 10:38:10 11 7
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In English it's 'you're '
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24/02/2021 13:10:20 0 2
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And if you can remember the Apple tech co trying to sue Apple Records for breach of "their" name... you can see part of the same problem.

McDonalds did the same, tried to sue some corner shop in Scotland
Hugo Boss did the same, a clothing company in Liverpool, just one of many examples
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24/02/2021 10:31:19 2 59
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if I need a phone or laptop what else could I buy, they have a monopoly
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24/02/2021 10:34:24 52 3
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You're not being serious, surely?
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24/02/2021 11:13:57 5 14
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yes, if you value security, why would you buy android etc
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24/02/2021 10:29:48 6 7
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People moan about big tech whether it be around privacy, avoiding tax or how powerful they are but in the same breadth cannot live without their products.
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24/02/2021 10:34:26 7 3
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Doesn't mean that the way big tech operates isn't bad.
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24/02/2021 10:35:22 5 2
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Soon we will not need governments as there will be an app for them.
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Pip
24/02/2021 10:38:53 3 6
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From what we've seen lately, bring it on...........?
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FMH
24/02/2021 10:47:31 1 1
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Oh better still we will simply be governed by big tech - who needs governments - they only do ever big tech tell them anyway ..
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24/02/2021 10:20:37 145 8
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It only has the money to do this because you lot keep buying their stuff....
:-).
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24/02/2021 10:35:24 39 5
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Quite right. A colleague at work was bemoaning the fact he was paying £45/ month on contract for his iphone when I told him my android phone does the same thing from Tesco for £7.50/month
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24/02/2021 13:21:55 1 2
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Classy. Do you get Clubcard points every time you use the phone?
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24/02/2021 10:35:25 9 10
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These are the people behind Joe Biden, and you thought Trump was bad!
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24/02/2021 10:54:47 2 3
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Really? Because I saw Tim Apple at plenty of meetings with the Orange One.
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24/02/2021 10:35:42 142 15
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FANG (Facebook, Amazon, Netflix, Google) are large american companies who are getting rich by sucking finance from the rest of the world and paying little tax on the way. Let's realise what we are doing when we eschew local businesses in favour of these giants - we are making them richer and the UK poorer.

Our government needs to get to grips with taxing FANG in a big way.
49
24/02/2021 10:40:25 101 7
bbc
The curious thing is that Google & Facebook do not make huge revenues from "technology". They make the majority of their cash selling your personal data to advertisers! (account, gender, clicks, likes, age, education, likely income, home location, work location etc.) i.e. anything a slimy marketing exec would want (on virtually ALL websites!).

Go into the settings & disable all advertising data!
51
OwO
24/02/2021 10:40:57 7 1
bbc
Stop using them, and support local businesses too. It can be hard, I still haven't found a way to completely remove Google, but even limiting your use reduces their ability to proliferate.

Might want to change your acronym btw, it's missing Apple who are far more of a concern than Netflix. All the networks want to run their own streaming services now, Netflix is tanking.
137
24/02/2021 11:11:38 2 1
bbc
Strange how I'd never heard of that FANG acronym until Netflix came along.
264
24/02/2021 12:02:36 5 1
bbc
Double Irish Dutch Sandwich accounting scheme! Shame on them all and their accountants - and governments for not controlling them.
270
24/02/2021 12:04:38 1 1
bbc
Dangerous talk like that will have you labelled as a socialist
334
24/02/2021 12:39:46 1 1
bbc
It's FAANG.

Facebook
Amazon
Apple
Netflix
Google
527
24/02/2021 15:55:22 1 0
bbc
It's actually FAANG and includes Apple. They aren't "sucking finance" from anyone, they are marketing products that people want to buy. And given there are no local businesses offering alternatives to these your comment makes no sense.
574
24/02/2021 20:44:31 0 0
bbc
That's an overly simplified argument.
599
25/02/2021 12:35:52 0 0
bbc
Ford is a large American company too
32
24/02/2021 10:35:46 70 6
bbc
But big tech isn't a threat... says big tech
14
24/02/2021 10:24:20 13 13
bbc
I thought capitalism was supposed to encourage competition and innovation and improve society for everyone through improved quality of living and consumer choice.

Wake-up call: you've been told a lie.

This crony capitalism only delivers results for the elite and plutocrats. You will continue to support this by voting Tory.
33
24/02/2021 10:35:52 7 1
bbc
lol. Capitalism, for all the good and bad, has delivered outstanding improvements in mobile phone technology and price. The internet is 20,000x faster& cheaper within 1 generation.

However, I agree the tech monopolies are disturbing, I actively try and avoid Samsung, Apple, Google& Facebook these days. European companies are getting better (Qwant.com is a far better privacy solution than Google)
145
24/02/2021 10:55:08 1 2
bbc
WOW, and the benefit to your life is what exactly? You pay £50 a month to watch stuff that was on TV for free decades ago. You chat to your mates constantly about nothing when you could meet down the pub less frequently and have a meaningful conversation. You need to evaluate what real human progress is me thinks.
22
24/02/2021 10:31:19 2 59
bbc
if I need a phone or laptop what else could I buy, they have a monopoly
34
24/02/2021 10:35:59 28 2
bbc
I have an LG Android phone, and 3x Lenovo laptops. Very happy with all of them. Never had Apple products except for a 2nd Gen ipod that I use once a year for music to accompany fireworks.
35
24/02/2021 10:36:22 42 6
bbc
No wonder all their products as way over priced.

They need the monies to buy out all their competition
228
24/02/2021 11:41:01 12 37
bbc
Name any company Apple has bought that they were in direct competition with. Name any of those companies tech or Intelectual Property that was subsequently not added as a product or feature in a future Apple product. Name one. Otherwise people like you along with the other misinformed in this HYS are being extremely disingenuous. But I guess you already know that.
551
24/02/2021 16:39:07 1 0
bbc
People do not buy products that are "way over priced". Your knowledge of marketing leaves a lot to be desired.
36
24/02/2021 10:36:49 5 4
bbc
yes soon AppleGoogleBookBayZon will be passing laws directly in Parliaments.
There is a war going on and people are not fighting to protect Democracy from the Neo Liberal Elite masters of Govts.

£11.68 MINIMUM WAGE is the start of a fighback in the USA. Australia are stepping up and so are Canada-so where are the Complicit UK politicians on the minimum wage retaliation against world domination.
42
OwO
24/02/2021 10:38:49 8 3
bbc
"Complicit UK politicians" like the ones who've just raised the minimum wage, and recently increased the pre-tax threshold?

They're way ahead of you.
37
24/02/2021 10:37:05 25 2
bbc
Why compete when you can acquire :)
13
24/02/2021 10:23:55 79 6
bbc
How about Apple pay some taxes ????
38
24/02/2021 10:37:27 52 7
bbc
They do, what we want is Apple to pay their fair share of taxes instead of the lip service they pay now
186
24/02/2021 11:25:02 5 5
bbc
It sounds good, but who is to say what is a "fair share"? I am not defending the awful Apple, but it is for governments to legislate on taxation and not on the basis of a "fair share".

Suppose a lot of people think you don't pay your "fair share"? Would you be happy to be targeted by HMRC?

This is a step towards mob rule or something like it.
203
24/02/2021 11:31:36 7 2
bbc
Much as I dislike what Apple / Amazon / Starbucks do they pay the amount of tax that they are legally obliged to pay ... do you know of anyone, personal or business, who would willingly pay the taxman more than they owe ?

Close the loopholes and watch the likes of Ireland, Luxembourg etc squirm - level playing field, not a chance.
512
24/02/2021 14:52:03 0 0
bbc
"what we want is Apple to pay their fair share of taxes instead of the lip service they pay now"

The people who are responsible for companies not paying taxes are the Govt. They write the rules & they are designed to be exploited because the Govt are funded by the business owners.

It won't change till we vote for a party that promises (and delivers) far simpler taxation with no exemptions.
543
24/02/2021 16:22:06 0 0
bbc
What on earth is their "fair share" of taxes? They pay what they are required to pay by law, in every jurisdiction. And if they don't that is a matter for the courts.

Do you pay your "fair share" or only what HMRC requires?
577
24/02/2021 20:54:00 0 0
bbc
Everyone says "fair" but everyone can't agree on what it means.
39
24/02/2021 10:37:34 17 9
bbc
Apple devotees are like lambs to the slaughter. Paying hugely over inflated prices for tech they can get for a fraction of the cost. You have to give it to the Apple marketing guru's though. Maybe we could get them to work on a campaign aimed at the antivaxers ?
54
24/02/2021 10:41:55 12 3
bbc
The cult like devotion is unsettling
122
24/02/2021 11:05:49 6 3
bbc
I bought an iPhone 6 six years ago and, with a new battery installed last year, it's been faultless and is still going strong. Their products are reliable and long-lasting, that's why sensible people buy them. I'm not one for chasing the latest tech so the phone suits me as it does what I need it to do. I also run an 9 year-old Volvo. Buy quality and it lasts.
130
24/02/2021 11:09:18 4 3
bbc
Have you ever used apple products? I will buy an Apple phone or laptop rather than Dell, Google, Microsoft or Samsung. Mind you that other manufacturers are also not cheap. Now a powerful laptop costs more than £1200, regardless of manufacturer.
151
Dee
24/02/2021 11:15:10 2 1
bbc
Agreed. However, they did work on innovation & design in Steve Job’s time. The AppleMac, iPad, iPhone & Pixar being prime examples. This forced their competitors to react. They were late to the party in other areas though hence the buying out of companies
333
24/02/2021 12:39:33 4 1
bbc
You buy what you want, I'll buy what I want. I really don't understand the animosity. I would never seek to ridicule your choice of purchase - why do you ridicule other people's?

I've owned and used both android and Apple phones and tablets. I just happen to prefer Apple. It's my money - I'm not asking you to contribute, so what's your problem?
25
24/02/2021 10:32:48 8 6
bbc
If you can remember Apple as a record label your getting old.
40
24/02/2021 10:38:10 11 7
bbc
In English it's 'you're '
76
24/02/2021 10:48:00 5 6
bbc
I think another nerd pointed out the same thing to me a couple of weeks ago.
369
24/02/2021 13:10:50 0 2
bbc
In any language, it's polite to focus on the point being made, not the typo
41
24/02/2021 10:38:45 58 2
bbc
This is the same tactic Microsoft used as it kept its dominant position. Buy up anyone who threatens your position.
53
24/02/2021 10:41:21 54 4
bbc
It also kills innovation. They don't need to develop anything, just hoover up a potential competitor who does.
61
24/02/2021 10:43:39 7 2
bbc
Govts will become secondary to these companies
36
24/02/2021 10:36:49 5 4
bbc
yes soon AppleGoogleBookBayZon will be passing laws directly in Parliaments.
There is a war going on and people are not fighting to protect Democracy from the Neo Liberal Elite masters of Govts.

£11.68 MINIMUM WAGE is the start of a fighback in the USA. Australia are stepping up and so are Canada-so where are the Complicit UK politicians on the minimum wage retaliation against world domination.
42
OwO
24/02/2021 10:38:49 8 3
bbc
"Complicit UK politicians" like the ones who've just raised the minimum wage, and recently increased the pre-tax threshold?

They're way ahead of you.
28
24/02/2021 10:35:22 5 2
bbc
Soon we will not need governments as there will be an app for them.
43
Pip
24/02/2021 10:38:53 3 6
bbc
From what we've seen lately, bring it on...........?
4
24/02/2021 10:22:29 4 6
bbc
Apple next purchase will be BlackBerry. Guaranteed!
44
24/02/2021 10:39:17 2 1
bbc
Not much of RIM left to be honest. They've selling a lot of their IP at the moment.
22
24/02/2021 10:31:19 2 59
bbc
if I need a phone or laptop what else could I buy, they have a monopoly
45
24/02/2021 10:39:22 37 1
bbc
Nonsense. There are plenty of high-quality alternatives at cheaper prices.
150
24/02/2021 11:14:51 5 10
bbc
you get what you pay for, if security doesn't matter go ahead
46
24/02/2021 10:39:55 8 4
bbc
This is dangerous power situation developing !

The tentacles of a few monolithic companies will dominate & all aspects of commerce
out of Govts control.

Politicians will bend to their dicktat & for jobs within such companies, we have seen this already eg. a politician (guess who !) who joined a present type of company in a made up position with an extravagant salary.

The must stop.
4
24/02/2021 10:22:29 4 6
bbc
Apple next purchase will be BlackBerry. Guaranteed!
47
24/02/2021 10:28:07 1 1
bbc
Were $120 a share now $10.

Obsolete products and now niche car diagnostics.

Probably not interested.
48
24/02/2021 10:29:33 67 9
bbc
It is easy to buy up anything when you don't pay your taxes.

In Cupertino, Apple's home town, Apple have found a way to dodge state taxes resulting in falling public service levels.

A few years ago, Apple had USD220Bn in cash.

These companies have to pay their UK taxes. No more selling out of Ireland or Luxembourg to dodge OUR taxes.
86
OwO
24/02/2021 10:51:40 64 1
bbc
They do pay their UK taxes. The problem is that the tax system is antiquated and doesn't account for the behaviour of these companies. Everything they do is legal, they have teams of high paid lawyers to make sure of that.

You are right about how they do it though, the issue is ensuring any new tax laws don't crush other businesses or create new loopholes.
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Dee
24/02/2021 10:52:27 10 3
bbc
The Irish and Luxembourg deliberately have very low tax rates to attract these companies. The power lies with the EU to level the playing field and stop them.
31
You
24/02/2021 10:35:42 142 15
bbc
FANG (Facebook, Amazon, Netflix, Google) are large american companies who are getting rich by sucking finance from the rest of the world and paying little tax on the way. Let's realise what we are doing when we eschew local businesses in favour of these giants - we are making them richer and the UK poorer.

Our government needs to get to grips with taxing FANG in a big way.
49
24/02/2021 10:40:25 101 7
bbc
The curious thing is that Google & Facebook do not make huge revenues from "technology". They make the majority of their cash selling your personal data to advertisers! (account, gender, clicks, likes, age, education, likely income, home location, work location etc.) i.e. anything a slimy marketing exec would want (on virtually ALL websites!).

Go into the settings & disable all advertising data!
328
24/02/2021 12:21:21 1 4
bbc
Disabling the data doesn't mean you won't see ads, it just means the ads you do see won't be relevant to you, so what are you gaining from doing it? I'd also like to know why you think marketing execs are 'slimy'?
587
24/02/2021 23:26:20 0 0
bbc
Google literally destroy every compony they buy. Not through trying to stifle it, moreover because they can't make them work.

Google Cloud (GCP) will be the next casualty - doomed against AWS and Azure.

They are a zombie company propped up by an ad-business.
50
24/02/2021 10:40:39 17 6
bbc
I wish they would buy all the social media companies such as FB, Twatter, etc etc, and bin the lot.
359
24/02/2021 13:06:00 0 2
bbc
You missed the fact that they big 4 include FB, Twatter, etc. and that they are actively consolidating ownership of the variants... hence the concenrs about their cartel / monopoly
540
24/02/2021 16:19:50 0 0
bbc
You couldn't get rid of them like that, other companies would just fill the void and you'd have to do it all over again! People aren't forced to use social media you know
31
You
24/02/2021 10:35:42 142 15
bbc
FANG (Facebook, Amazon, Netflix, Google) are large american companies who are getting rich by sucking finance from the rest of the world and paying little tax on the way. Let's realise what we are doing when we eschew local businesses in favour of these giants - we are making them richer and the UK poorer.

Our government needs to get to grips with taxing FANG in a big way.
51
OwO
24/02/2021 10:40:57 7 1
bbc
Stop using them, and support local businesses too. It can be hard, I still haven't found a way to completely remove Google, but even limiting your use reduces their ability to proliferate.

Might want to change your acronym btw, it's missing Apple who are far more of a concern than Netflix. All the networks want to run their own streaming services now, Netflix is tanking.
69
24/02/2021 10:46:29 4 1
bbc
Android is decent enough (being a Linux offshoot). I use DuckDuckGo or Ghostery browsers. I also set qwant.com search engine as my homepage on all my browsers - with links to the same on my phone. Not perfect - but blocks all ad data and puts all my search history in EU/France (i.e. at least covered by strong EU data protection, instead of ... basically no US data protection laws). Qwant = great!
72
You
24/02/2021 10:47:21 5 1
bbc
Not my Acronym, it's a commonly used one, but yes Apple should be in there too..... FAANG
529
24/02/2021 15:59:02 0 0
bbc
Good idea. Instead of buying a smartphone take a trip to the local butcher instead. As for Google, good luck stopping the tsunami by standing there wagging your finger.
15
24/02/2021 10:28:33 189 37
bbc
I hate my iPhone. I'm made to have one for work. It's rubbish compared to my Android phone. If you mention this to anyone they gasp in horror because Apple products have some sort of mythical status, but when you compare them to the alternatives they're nowt special.
52
24/02/2021 10:41:00 24 3
bbc
And you get to use the same cable..
273
24/02/2021 12:07:25 5 2
bbc
Until Apple redesign it yet again and you have to buy a whole new set.
41
24/02/2021 10:38:45 58 2
bbc
This is the same tactic Microsoft used as it kept its dominant position. Buy up anyone who threatens your position.
53
24/02/2021 10:41:21 54 4
bbc
It also kills innovation. They don't need to develop anything, just hoover up a potential competitor who does.
63
24/02/2021 10:44:16 4 1
bbc
Absolutely & kill competition
96
Dee
24/02/2021 10:53:48 2 5
bbc
The competitor does not have to sell.
39
24/02/2021 10:37:34 17 9
bbc
Apple devotees are like lambs to the slaughter. Paying hugely over inflated prices for tech they can get for a fraction of the cost. You have to give it to the Apple marketing guru's though. Maybe we could get them to work on a campaign aimed at the antivaxers ?
54
24/02/2021 10:41:55 12 3
bbc
The cult like devotion is unsettling
55
24/02/2021 10:30:17 44 6
bbc
Assimilate and eliminate. Apple don't like competition
56
24/02/2021 10:34:37 14 7
bbc
Another ultimate tax dodger, with slave labour at Foxcon.
541
24/02/2021 16:21:28 1 0
bbc
Try finding out he facts Apples Foxcon employees are actually paid more than the those who work for other companies
20
24/02/2021 10:30:25 43 10
bbc
Top 10 richest people could pay for everyone to have a vaccine.

Now if only the antiquated tax rates were revamped wholesale...
57
OwO
24/02/2021 10:42:31 22 27
bbc
But why should they? Unless those 10 people caused the virus, this is just spiteful.
77
24/02/2021 10:48:16 12 3
bbc
Small change to them given their combined wealth.
178
24/02/2021 11:21:33 8 6
bbc
Found the classic Elitist shill
198
24/02/2021 11:29:49 10 5
bbc
Why should they? You think they became that rich by good fortune? Somewhere along the line they or their immediate ancestors almost certainly bullied, cheated, exploited and mistreated all manner of individuals in order to get that wealth. No-one gets rich starting from nothing and working fairly and honestly, treating colleagues as people and not machines, paying reasonable wages, etc.
58
24/02/2021 10:42:46 35 5
bbc
Which is absolutely awful for innovation and choice.

Buy out the potential competition before they are even allowed to flourish
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Dee
24/02/2021 11:07:44 5 2
bbc
Many of their competitors choose to sell (they can compete but can’t upscale) & if, say, Apple wants to overpay for them it’s the owners decision. Monopolies can be broken due to the owners’ lack of innovation. Before Apple, Microsoft & before that IBM, were the top companies.
18
24/02/2021 10:30:17 49 7
bbc
From a branding perspective, you have to admire Beats headphones. From a technical perspective however, they took "average" quality headphones (audiophiles hate them for good reason), probably spending more on advertising than on the engineering.

They look like £15 of material, marked up to £100-300! I would not be seen dead wearing such overpriced trash.
59
24/02/2021 10:42:47 52 3
bbc
And Dr Dre isn't even a real doctor!
95
24/02/2021 10:53:45 10 1
bbc
Not even a Doctor of social studies? The horror!
227
24/02/2021 11:40:41 10 1
bbc
Funniest comment I've seen on HYS
60
24/02/2021 10:43:38 6 7
bbc
Apple has perhaps been astute enough to know that had it stuck to just producing phones and computers; the opportunities for further growth in those markets is limited at best, so diversification into other products and markets helps secure the company's future.
41
24/02/2021 10:38:45 58 2
bbc
This is the same tactic Microsoft used as it kept its dominant position. Buy up anyone who threatens your position.
61
24/02/2021 10:43:39 7 2
bbc
Govts will become secondary to these companies
170
24/02/2021 11:19:51 3 1
bbc
Will? You mean are.
8
24/02/2021 10:27:22 111 11
bbc
Apple has $193.82 billion in cash on hand: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/30/apple-q3-cash-hoard-heres-how-much-apple-has-on-hand.html

Apple's total net sales 2019 were 260billion, making them richer than 75% of countries and 'worth' more than countries such as Romania, Czech Republic, Portugal, New Zealand & Qatar.

Their stuff is massively overpriced compared to other brands.
62
24/02/2021 10:43:44 42 82
bbc
If they sell that many products, their stuff is clearly not massively overpriced.
99
24/02/2021 10:55:13 7 2
bbc
Like most situations the tech world, power is in the hand of a few companies and an unofficial cartel operates to ensure margins are maintained.
109
24/02/2021 10:59:25 13 3
bbc
Through work and personal use I have experience of Apple, Blackberry, Android and Windows Mobile. Apple IS overpriced

Android is almost identical to iOS; yet I can buy a top spec Android phone for 25% of the cost of the equivalent spec iPhone.

Personally I found the last interation of the Windows phone the best of the lot, but its reputation was already shot due to the awful earlier versions.
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meh
24/02/2021 11:26:45 13 6
bbc
They dont sell "that many products". They started charging more for their products to maintain their profit margins as their market share started to decline due to Android being the dominant phone of choice.

Im quite happy that the technically illiterate of the world pay a PREMIUM for an inferior product :)
299
24/02/2021 12:20:08 8 1
bbc
Your point is sadly true. More accurate to say that their marketing is excellent - they know their target market and how to exploit it.
53
24/02/2021 10:41:21 54 4
bbc
It also kills innovation. They don't need to develop anything, just hoover up a potential competitor who does.
63
24/02/2021 10:44:16 4 1
bbc
Absolutely & kill competition
14
24/02/2021 10:24:20 13 13
bbc
I thought capitalism was supposed to encourage competition and innovation and improve society for everyone through improved quality of living and consumer choice.

Wake-up call: you've been told a lie.

This crony capitalism only delivers results for the elite and plutocrats. You will continue to support this by voting Tory.
64
24/02/2021 10:44:40 3 2
bbc
Capitalism has delivered the most wealth to the most people than any other economic model in history.
160
24/02/2021 10:58:10 0 1
bbc
Capitalism, like democracy has many forms. I'd like to know what the Tories have delivered to society over the last decade: picture dead town with rolling tumbleweed. Average life expectancy for a child in New York is lower than that of a similar child in Cuba. I'm a capitalist but I'm not as ignorant as most to defend a current form of capitalism that benefits the few.
14
24/02/2021 10:24:20 13 13
bbc
I thought capitalism was supposed to encourage competition and innovation and improve society for everyone through improved quality of living and consumer choice.

Wake-up call: you've been told a lie.

This crony capitalism only delivers results for the elite and plutocrats. You will continue to support this by voting Tory.
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OwO
24/02/2021 10:44:50 3 1
bbc
We don't live in anything vaguely resembling a purely capitalist society, with the country's many social programs. That's a good thing btw, the balance is in the middle - attacking people you don't like, for prejudiced reasons, doesn't help anything.
167
24/02/2021 10:59:09 1 1
bbc
Social programs? What social programs? Cutting local government funding by 50% over the last decade is hardly social.
6
24/02/2021 10:26:29 221 12
bbc
The only reason they acquire these companies as they see then as a threat to their business. Eventually the whole world will be run by a handful of companies. There needs to be global competition laws to tackle this as its got out of hand.
66
24/02/2021 10:45:07 111 6
bbc
Disney will own the TV, Nestle will own the food and Apple will own the tech
143
24/02/2021 11:13:00 28 1
bbc
And Amazon will deliver it all to you!
159
24/02/2021 11:17:05 10 3
bbc
Then China steps in !!
251
24/02/2021 11:54:27 2 2
bbc
What a world that would be...
276
24/02/2021 12:09:02 8 1
bbc
Even as we speak, Disney is removing the 'poisoned Apple' scene from Snow White, and Nestle is making custard for Peter Craven's left wing rhubarb.
435
24/02/2021 13:47:32 2 1
bbc
Oh, God.
441
DrR
24/02/2021 13:51:34 0 1
bbc
So you haven't heard of Netflix with a value of $238 Billion, versus Disney's $324 Billion then?.

Microsoft is not far behind Apple ($1.7T vs $2T)

Unilever not far behind Nestle.

Plenty of scope for other large companies.
442
24/02/2021 13:51:48 1 1
bbc
Amazed that such a niche player, with just 11% of the smartphone market, gets so much press on BBC. I guess they must still be keeping the press sweet with the money they make from their overpriced tat.
I wouldn't be backing Disney, their saccharin and sanitised product US centric product has limited traction with a wider viewing public. They'll be a player, but Comcast and Liberty Media have more diverse appeal and don't forget Discovery, the way they're quietly acquiring both pay and free to air broadcaster around the world is going to make them a lot of money.
487
24/02/2021 14:24:03 2 0
bbc
Surely it will be Blockbuster, Wimpy and Polaroid?
497
24/02/2021 14:29:18 0 0
bbc
All one conglomerate, DisNesApp.
67
24/02/2021 10:45:29 11 3
bbc
We see this a lot with the big companies buy out anyone who is seen as a threat to their dominant position, the irony is such capitalist behaviour shuts down capitalism.
68
FMH
24/02/2021 10:45:37 6 7
bbc
Why are our competition authorities not stopping them ? We see what us happening in the control they exert on the world - it is frightening- our anti trust regulators are asleep at the wheel! Our small businesses ruined - competition stifled- we have all had enough if I action by our governments in whose pockets the lobbyists reside.
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OwO
24/02/2021 10:49:04 6 1
bbc
What are our regulators supposed to do about a US company buying foreign companies?
116
24/02/2021 11:02:07 0 1
bbc
It’s the US, they don’t do regulation over there, so it’s a free for all and the richer you are the more power you have.
51
OwO
24/02/2021 10:40:57 7 1
bbc
Stop using them, and support local businesses too. It can be hard, I still haven't found a way to completely remove Google, but even limiting your use reduces their ability to proliferate.

Might want to change your acronym btw, it's missing Apple who are far more of a concern than Netflix. All the networks want to run their own streaming services now, Netflix is tanking.
69
24/02/2021 10:46:29 4 1
bbc
Android is decent enough (being a Linux offshoot). I use DuckDuckGo or Ghostery browsers. I also set qwant.com search engine as my homepage on all my browsers - with links to the same on my phone. Not perfect - but blocks all ad data and puts all my search history in EU/France (i.e. at least covered by strong EU data protection, instead of ... basically no US data protection laws). Qwant = great!
70
24/02/2021 10:46:32 5 6
bbc
What ever happened to capitalism being about giving consumers choice?
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24/02/2021 10:52:13 2 1
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You choose who rips you off
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Dee
24/02/2021 11:38:25 1 1
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There’s plenty of choice.
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FMH
24/02/2021 12:09:57 0 1
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Precisely but this is not capitalism - it is greed.
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24/02/2021 10:46:34 6 9
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100 companies?

We've 4.2 million companies registered in the UK alone.

This is not the story the Beeb thinks it is.
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24/02/2021 10:51:48 2 3
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It's the nature of the 100 companies that should interest you
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24/02/2021 11:08:05 0 1
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You need to understand how much innovation may have been stifled as a result.

Apple is in the main a business of propriety / patent ownership. Products are just a side line. This is proven to lead to other companies development and growth being stunted.
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OwO
24/02/2021 10:40:57 7 1
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Stop using them, and support local businesses too. It can be hard, I still haven't found a way to completely remove Google, but even limiting your use reduces their ability to proliferate.

Might want to change your acronym btw, it's missing Apple who are far more of a concern than Netflix. All the networks want to run their own streaming services now, Netflix is tanking.
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You
24/02/2021 10:47:21 5 1
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Not my Acronym, it's a commonly used one, but yes Apple should be in there too..... FAANG
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24/02/2021 12:27:29 0 1
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Should it be AGFA?
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24/02/2021 10:47:27 4 3
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.... and yet they only pay their CEO $3m

That's pretty low in the scheme of things.
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24/02/2021 10:51:29 4 2
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But what about the rest of his package?
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24/02/2021 11:00:55 0 1
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Does that include dividends/bonuses ?
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24/02/2021 10:48:43 0 1
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And the BBC pay that almost that much pre year to the likes of Lineker
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24/02/2021 10:35:22 5 2
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Soon we will not need governments as there will be an app for them.
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FMH
24/02/2021 10:47:31 1 1
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Oh better still we will simply be governed by big tech - who needs governments - they only do ever big tech tell them anyway ..
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24/02/2021 10:31:19 2 59
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if I need a phone or laptop what else could I buy, they have a monopoly
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OwO
24/02/2021 10:47:45 25 2
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Not even close. Something like 70% of all phones in the ecosystem are Android, and they're not even 10% of the products on offer.
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24/02/2021 11:15:21 2 6
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simplistic argument
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24/02/2021 10:38:10 11 7
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In English it's 'you're '
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24/02/2021 10:48:00 5 6
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I think another nerd pointed out the same thing to me a couple of weeks ago.
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LG
24/02/2021 18:12:08 0 0
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Maybe you should have taken it on board then!
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OwO
24/02/2021 10:42:31 22 27
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But why should they? Unless those 10 people caused the virus, this is just spiteful.
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24/02/2021 10:48:16 12 3
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Small change to them given their combined wealth.
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24/02/2021 10:20:37 145 8
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It only has the money to do this because you lot keep buying their stuff....
:-).
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24/02/2021 10:48:48 19 4
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Their tax arrangements help too
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24/02/2021 10:48:56 9 4
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The world is completely broken, we're about 20 years away from the majority of the population being out of work due to automation, we the people will soon be useless.

Might be time to put people before profits.
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24/02/2021 10:56:16 0 2
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Nothing wrong with automation. The problem is with the fact that we are still expected to work 'all hours' in order to earn enough money to live. Many of the richest people on the planet only work a few hours each month to earn their living. The opportunity to work less and enjoy life more is there for the taking. We need to adopt Apple's approach and 'Think Different'.
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24/02/2021 10:58:14 1 1
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Except people have been saying that for so long now, it simply doesn't hold true
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FMH
24/02/2021 10:45:37 6 7
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Why are our competition authorities not stopping them ? We see what us happening in the control they exert on the world - it is frightening- our anti trust regulators are asleep at the wheel! Our small businesses ruined - competition stifled- we have all had enough if I action by our governments in whose pockets the lobbyists reside.
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OwO
24/02/2021 10:49:04 6 1
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What are our regulators supposed to do about a US company buying foreign companies?
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FMH
24/02/2021 12:08:58 1 1
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We have anti trust laws sir - they apply globally if our governments had the will but they don’t.
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24/02/2021 10:26:39 314 12
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My life in IT proved that if a company produce software that competes with the big boys it gets bought to shut them out. There were some good software companies that no longer exist because they charged a fraction of what Microsoft wanted. Sort of Mafia rule now.
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24/02/2021 10:49:09 210 7
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Absolutely - and not just in IT.

It's the glaring flaw in capitalism: the most effective way to gain market share is not, as theory has it, to produce a superior product at a better price, but rather to merge with or buy out the competition - until there *is* no competition. Hence antitrust laws; but these are clearly inadequate to reign in the big players across international jurisdictions.
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24/02/2021 11:10:40 14 15
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Not a flaw in Capitalism. It’s more to do with oversight and legislation. With politicians not doing their jobs. Or companies wouldn’t be allowed to get that big, or powerful.
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24/02/2021 11:12:47 10 11
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Definitely a flaw in capitalism as it exists today! Of course if we lived in anything close to a free-market, then things like intellectual property laws would be abolished outright, which would remove a major mechanism that's currently used to stifle innovation/competition, or impose limitations such as planned obsolescence and incompatibility.
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24/02/2021 11:14:02 6 1
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Reign is a good.if albeit, a fortunate misspelling. (oops)
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24/02/2021 11:18:32 14 3
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Nothing new about this. In the 1930s diesel fuel was produced from coal, mainly in South Wales. Only people interested in history of motor vehicles know about this nowadays. What's the betting the big oil companies bought and suppressed the technology and patents? I expect there are numerous other instances, I just happen to know about this one.
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24/02/2021 11:40:26 7 2
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But that theory is solid.
If your product is so cheap and so much better why sell your company ?

The owners of the company just want a big pay cheque, can't blame them .
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24/02/2021 13:24:57 0 1
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You mean globalization rather than capitalism?
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24/02/2021 20:41:06 0 0
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I would wager that having interest rates in the US at near zero for more than a decade would be a massive factor in this. Acquisitions as long as you do your homework, are good for a company, being able to get money for next to nothing only makes acquisitions extremely easy and safe for companies.
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24/02/2021 10:28:33 189 37
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I hate my iPhone. I'm made to have one for work. It's rubbish compared to my Android phone. If you mention this to anyone they gasp in horror because Apple products have some sort of mythical status, but when you compare them to the alternatives they're nowt special.
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24/02/2021 10:49:36 29 9
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Agreed.

I loathe my work's iPhone 7. Every time there's a software upgrade, my hopes that it will somehow make the phone more intuitive and user-friendly are always dashed.

I miss my old Samsung android phone. :-(
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24/02/2021 13:24:30 2 3
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We need re-education camps for those who don't appreciate the undoubted superiority of the iPhone.
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24/02/2021 10:31:19 2 59
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if I need a phone or laptop what else could I buy, they have a monopoly
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24/02/2021 10:49:41 16 3
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You have choice, even if they try to convince you that there isn't
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24/02/2021 10:50:32 9 2
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Buy up the competition before the they become a threat,make everyone dependant on your products,then jack up the prices.Classic capitalism.This is why we need effective regulation with these companies.Amazon,Apple and the like will very soon rule the world.??
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24/02/2021 10:59:41 3 4
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I read that plenty of stuffed brown envelopes handed to various elected officials underhand in various Governments who show any ounce of concern tend to put pay to that sort of talk. In the UK most of it could be in plain sight and called a party donation.
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24/02/2021 10:47:27 4 3
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.... and yet they only pay their CEO $3m

That's pretty low in the scheme of things.
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24/02/2021 10:51:29 4 2
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But what about the rest of his package?
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24/02/2021 10:29:33 67 9
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It is easy to buy up anything when you don't pay your taxes.

In Cupertino, Apple's home town, Apple have found a way to dodge state taxes resulting in falling public service levels.

A few years ago, Apple had USD220Bn in cash.

These companies have to pay their UK taxes. No more selling out of Ireland or Luxembourg to dodge OUR taxes.
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OwO
24/02/2021 10:51:40 64 1
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They do pay their UK taxes. The problem is that the tax system is antiquated and doesn't account for the behaviour of these companies. Everything they do is legal, they have teams of high paid lawyers to make sure of that.

You are right about how they do it though, the issue is ensuring any new tax laws don't crush other businesses or create new loopholes.
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24/02/2021 20:55:52 0 0
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Never would I have thought I would see a well-made, correct response from someone named OwO anywhere on the internet.
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24/02/2021 10:46:34 6 9
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100 companies?

We've 4.2 million companies registered in the UK alone.

This is not the story the Beeb thinks it is.
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24/02/2021 10:51:48 2 3
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It's the nature of the 100 companies that should interest you
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24/02/2021 10:59:07 0 3
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Why? There are others. Big companies buy up smaller ones all the time. Doesn't stop smaller ones profiting. Smaller companies are more agile and better at the RD&I, which is why the big companies effectively outsource this by buying them up (and the IP with them). The people behind the smaller companies generally then go off to innovate in a new company. Is common practice.
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24/02/2021 10:31:19 2 59
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if I need a phone or laptop what else could I buy, they have a monopoly
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24/02/2021 10:51:52 19 2
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Samsung, Google, Nokia....
Dell, Lenovo, Acer.....

Non so blind as those who do not want to see
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24/02/2021 11:16:25 3 9
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all android, not secure
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24/02/2021 11:28:34 0 2
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Nokia - when was the last time you saw a device of theirs in this space
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24/02/2021 10:46:32 5 6
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What ever happened to capitalism being about giving consumers choice?
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24/02/2021 10:52:13 2 1
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You choose who rips you off
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24/02/2021 10:32:02 9 8
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I guess acquisitions aimed at Technology & Talent rules out buying the BBC.......
Ya know what I mean
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24/02/2021 10:52:24 4 4
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And yet... here you are, commenting on a BBC forum. What was that about voting with your feet...?
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24/02/2021 10:29:33 67 9
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It is easy to buy up anything when you don't pay your taxes.

In Cupertino, Apple's home town, Apple have found a way to dodge state taxes resulting in falling public service levels.

A few years ago, Apple had USD220Bn in cash.

These companies have to pay their UK taxes. No more selling out of Ireland or Luxembourg to dodge OUR taxes.
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Dee
24/02/2021 10:52:27 10 3
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The Irish and Luxembourg deliberately have very low tax rates to attract these companies. The power lies with the EU to level the playing field and stop them.
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24/02/2021 10:52:29 1 2
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Time for the UK to create a tech company that DOESN'T sell out.
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24/02/2021 10:57:28 3 2
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Get your finger out then and get on with it
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24/02/2021 10:58:25 2 1
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Never going to happen

Just look at the list of amazing British tech companies we've let go in recent year's
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Me
24/02/2021 10:53:08 5 5
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BigTech acquiring everything they can get their hands on in the world whilst virtue signalling to everyone else that we should have and make do with less.

This is the world's richest, preaching and mandating 'great reset' policies for everyone whilst getting more and more control and ownership of every aspect of our lives.

And the BBC supports it -promoting Bill Gates, Facebook, Twitter etc...
Removed
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24/02/2021 10:53:44 3 3
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Skynet will soon become a reality. So with automation will become the norm and when you can get everything you need without leaving your home, as you can more or less do that now.
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24/02/2021 10:56:05 1 2
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I hope that it sees its creators as the immediate threat and takes them out first.
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24/02/2021 10:42:47 52 3
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And Dr Dre isn't even a real doctor!
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24/02/2021 10:53:45 10 1
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Not even a Doctor of social studies? The horror!
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24/02/2021 10:41:21 54 4
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It also kills innovation. They don't need to develop anything, just hoover up a potential competitor who does.
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Dee
24/02/2021 10:53:48 2 5
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The competitor does not have to sell.
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24/02/2021 10:59:49 6 1
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Money talks, as do the dirty tactics used in acquisitions
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24/02/2021 11:39:16 0 3
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I agree
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24/02/2021 10:54:33 1 3
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Already such are "Hoovering" the Worlds peoples cash.. mark my words mext step they will launch their banks eg: APPLE BANK & make existing banks Mickey Mouse in their aim of controlling Global commerce & social communications.

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24/02/2021 10:35:25 9 10
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These are the people behind Joe Biden, and you thought Trump was bad!
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24/02/2021 10:54:47 2 3
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Really? Because I saw Tim Apple at plenty of meetings with the Orange One.
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24/02/2021 10:43:44 42 82
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If they sell that many products, their stuff is clearly not massively overpriced.
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24/02/2021 10:55:13 7 2
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Like most situations the tech world, power is in the hand of a few companies and an unofficial cartel operates to ensure margins are maintained.
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24/02/2021 10:55:32 1 1
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And everyone who could......would