Covid-19: PM promises review on issues of vaccine passports
23/02/2021 | news | uk | 7,050
Having to show a certificate to go to a pub raises "deep and complex issues", Boris Johnson says.
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23/02/2021 13:51:45 29 22
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I'll get a COVID passport provided we bring in Voter ID at the same time
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23/02/2021 14:02:31 13 10
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A brain is required more.
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Once those who need to be vaccinated and hospital numbers have come down, any insistence within society of so-called ‘vaccine passports’ will quickly become meaningless and readily ignored.
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not for international travel they wont
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23/02/2021 13:58:55 1 6
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it will be flu vaccine requirement too
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23/02/2021 14:04:43 15 12
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It will become the sort of data which, once accessible, companies will insist on having regardless of how useful it is 'just because' they want it. Amazing how few people seem to mind that their medical records will be in the hands of private companies operating for commercial gain.
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23/02/2021 14:06:23 10 7
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It would likely depend on how far they want to take it.

Pubs, restaurants, gyms, theatres, cinemas etc could be required to log members/patrons vaccine passport info and refuse entry to those who refuse.

Then random inspections could take place to make sure this is being complied with. Large fines are involved then it may not be ignored so easily.
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23/02/2021 14:10:33 2 6
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you think reduction is hospital numbers is down to vaccine or the fact masks, border covid test are working
23/02/2021 18:16:36 2 4
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Unfortunately there is no vaccine against the ridiculous irrational obsession with this one virus.
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23/02/2021 13:52:17 2 11
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Just in time for the England Czech game. Can’t wait!
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23/02/2021 13:52:40 199 78
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Easy one this = NO...for international travel OK if we have to in order to cross borders ete, but not for us to undertake normal activity in the Uk like going out for the evening!
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23/02/2021 14:04:19 18 37
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Sorry, but this will be the usual one size fits all uk approach
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Bob
23/02/2021 14:18:32 9 9
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Still yet to see anyone actually give a reason why they hold this view, they merely state that they hold it.

Do explain the medical grounds for which you want/accept it for international travel and why those reasons do not apply domestically.
RG
23/02/2021 15:57:42 13 4
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This is the plan - suggest a covid passport for everything, review it, then decide passport just for international travel so people think it's ok and proportionate. People unaware they've been played and lost more freedoms. Rinse and repeat.
23/02/2021 16:22:16 4 0
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Couldn't agree more, well said
23/02/2021 18:17:09 0 1
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Why not? Give me one good reason for not doing so
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23/02/2021 13:51:50 147 71
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Once those who need to be vaccinated and hospital numbers have come down, any insistence within society of so-called ‘vaccine passports’ will quickly become meaningless and readily ignored.
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23/02/2021 13:52:51 176 23
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not for international travel they wont
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23/02/2021 13:55:23 23 8
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Was referring to domestic, for realistically in a few years time when Covid is nothing but a memory will a shop, cinema or employer demand a ‘vaccine passport’?

Don’t think so.
24/02/2021 01:14:51 0 0
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They will for any country with a sensible scientist advising. The virus mutates easily (rna virus), youl vaccine passport could be out of date before the ink is dry. Virus mortality is tending toward flu, & 90%+ of victims are very old & very ill. They won't be flying anywhere & should already be isolated.
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23/02/2021 13:52:53 37 38
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Don't see an issue at all. People who are medically exempt from the vaccine should have a card saying as such and allowed entry. Vaccination cards should be part and parcel of life moving forward. No different to showing your drivers licence to prove that you over age to drink at a pub.
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23/02/2021 13:54:18 19 25
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What about people who just don't want medical interventions forced on them?
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23/02/2021 13:56:38 17 7
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Just because your old enough to drive does not mean you have a driving licence. Also what about the other 50 communicable disease that kill more people per year, do you have a vaccine for each of those and a certificate!!
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RAB
23/02/2021 13:58:58 12 11
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What if you don’t want an experimental medicine, which it is, whether you like it or not? What about older teenagers, soon to be adults? It hasn’t been tested on children, no data on long term effects on fertility for example?
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23/02/2021 13:58:20 7 6
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I think they should also show they have had the flu vaccine too
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23/02/2021 13:52:55 306 95
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With Michael Gove heading up the review, we're in safe hands..!! what could possibly go wrong?
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23/02/2021 13:57:29 284 169
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Perhaps we can get a committee of Labour MPs to deal with it and then refer it to the unions for agreement ?
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23/02/2021 14:20:22 16 6
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the question remains will it be open and transparent like they always promise!!!!
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23/02/2021 14:41:14 17 0
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Chris Grayling could be helping him.
23/02/2021 14:55:53 2 0
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apparently you can buy reviews now
23/02/2021 15:11:36 2 4
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We could put it in the hands of labour then everything would go wrong.. Your comments are everything thats wrong with this country, it has to be politicised
23/02/2021 17:45:42 1 0
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With him in charge we'll be handing over all our personal info before you know it!!

I need the names of all your sexual partners please and how many times you slept with them......its for the common good......
23/02/2021 21:24:20 0 0
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Thank the lord it’s not Patel.
23/02/2021 23:15:33 0 0
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Utter utter utter utter drivel
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DJG
23/02/2021 13:53:06 219 138
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Unethical, immoral and unnecessary. Spend the time and money vaccinating those who want it please.
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23/02/2021 13:57:30 143 106
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Please explain those big words with empty meaning in this case. Our individual actions affect everyone else.
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23/02/2021 14:33:39 23 29
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The first two charges are ridiculous but your last, 'unnecessary', is either naïve or ignorant. To control this virus requires at least vaccination of the vast majority - or else it will continue to mutate. The S. African variant already reduces efficacy of existing vaccines by nearly 50% - a new variant might reduce it further. Not to have the vaccine, is self-centred and anti-social.
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23/02/2021 14:37:18 22 12
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It's unlawful to treat someone who has refused treatment, unless they're incapacitated mentally. Even then it's a touchy subject.

28 thumbs down, what's is wrong with people huh? Well said DJG
23/02/2021 15:11:51 6 5
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Truth!
RPH
23/02/2021 16:06:42 4 9
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Explain why it is unethical and immoral..... using big words without understanding their meaning doesn't make you look as clever as you seem to think!
23/02/2021 17:55:01 4 6
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There's nothing unethical or immoral happening here. If you don't want a jab, then you don't have to have one.
I think you're nuts, but happy to agree to disagree.
But your choice may well mean you cannot travel to other countries or work in some high risk sectors. Again, that's your choice.

Its probably more immoral to ignore your responsibility to society.
23/02/2021 23:05:22 0 2
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I think it is *very* moral that we allow shops, cinemas etc the ability to choose to exclude those people who choose on moral (rather than medical) grounds not to be vaccinated, or who don't believe that Covid even exists. Don't make it a crimal offence not to be vaccinated - just exclude anti-vaxxers from most of life. Let them decide whether the consequences are worth their moral stance.
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23/02/2021 13:53:16 27 35
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Just in case anyone is in any doubt. We do still live in a free country. You don’t actually need government permission to hug your loved ones. If you think you do then I feel very very sorry for you ....
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23/02/2021 13:55:25 16 9
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You need to consider whether hugging them will kill them
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23/02/2021 13:56:26 9 0
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But we don't live in a Covid-free country. In fact the 'free country' thing is a nonsense: we're freer than many but we can't be entirely free as we live in a society where we each affect everyone else.
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23/02/2021 14:00:30 4 4
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The perfect example of why we need Draconian rules until we are safe.
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23/02/2021 14:03:28 5 2
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Precisely the attitude which has got us to where we are now
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23/02/2021 13:52:53 37 38
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Don't see an issue at all. People who are medically exempt from the vaccine should have a card saying as such and allowed entry. Vaccination cards should be part and parcel of life moving forward. No different to showing your drivers licence to prove that you over age to drink at a pub.
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23/02/2021 13:54:18 19 25
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What about people who just don't want medical interventions forced on them?
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23/02/2021 13:55:33 16 12
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stay at home ?
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23/02/2021 14:01:39 7 6
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They'll understand that considerate people don't want a virus forced on them and stay at home.
23/02/2021 16:39:54 0 0
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What do you suggest then to clear there selfish impedance. Discension must come with alternative solutions.
23/02/2021 17:05:33 0 0
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Tough
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23/02/2021 13:54:21 15 26
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Treat people lkike children, they'll behave accordingly. I wonder what % of the population BoJo thinks is currently following their childish rules ['golf in Scotland, not in England']? Be careful, BoJo, we are reaching the point where we will ignore you, you will become irrelevant....
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23/02/2021 13:59:42 7 1
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and you'll be £10k light
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23/02/2021 13:59:59 3 1
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As irrelevant as you and your selfish ideas and outlook on life?
23/02/2021 18:16:02 1 2
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And the great self entitled continue to think of only their selves, screw everyone else.
The sooner we get a covid passport, the sooner we can be kept apart from the great deniers!!
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23/02/2021 13:54:26 60 49
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Yep...just do it.

There are no ethics and other snowflake issues associated with travel passport drivers licence etc.

Freedom of each individual not to vaccinate is fine but don't expect the freedom of everybody else to be curtailed or compromised to accommodate this.

Get on with it.
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23/02/2021 13:56:03 34 34
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Oh another Stasi recruitment target!
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23/02/2021 13:57:40 2 1
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everyone should be tested for covid
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23/02/2021 14:04:28 5 6
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Being forced to carry a domestic vaccine passport (even if you actually had the vaccine) is by definition a curtailment of the freedom of everybody else.
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23/02/2021 14:06:11 5 6
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Because knowing someone's medical records is the same as knowing whether they can legally drive or not. Oh my days, how gullible some people are...
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Tell me.......if your vaccinated why would you be worried about those who are not......please explain?
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23/02/2021 14:07:37 4 5
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So your right to freedom trumps my right to freedom does it?

I'm not sure you understand the concept of freedom...
24/02/2021 02:14:56 0 0
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Why should those not vaccinated compromise anything to do with those who do? IF this is the black-death, then the non-vaccinated will die. Though your vaccine may be useless before you know it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/flu-vaccine-deaths-nhs-ineffective-crisis-bad-weather-illness-2017-a8660496.html
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23/02/2021 13:54:28 508 259
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I accept we might need vaccine passports to travel to other countries. It is not up to us or the UK.

I also accept that some people may be required to have a vaccine in order to do certain healthcare jobs - they do now anyway.

I do NOT think we should have vaccine passports in general in the UK. It goes all against our libertarian values. Its not how we do things.
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23/02/2021 13:58:04 470 42
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I’m curious. Do you think it would be ethical to allow visitors from other countries into the UK without proof that they have been vaccinated?
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23/02/2021 13:59:05 45 30
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Putting one another's lives at risk is also considered a core principle
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Vaccine passports basically mean that the retired, who have spent the last year sitting at home complaining, reading the Daily Mail after voting in a referendum to make us all poorer get to go on holiday.

Meanwhile the young, who've been working on the front line as health staff, teachers, police, army, retail, hospitality and transport workers all have to stay caged on this island.

Sound fair?
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23/02/2021 13:59:44 16 22
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Sadly it is such views that have led to many not doing the right thing where this rampant virus is concerned, with nothing to hide sadly we live in an age where a camera on every corner would be a bonus for liberty is seen mainly as a benefit to the criminal element
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23/02/2021 14:00:24 58 24
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Who says we have libertarian values?

Just give one example of a time in British history when we have valued individual freedoms above the greater societal good.
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23/02/2021 13:57:01 24 40
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i hope they apply same rules to Flu and MMR vaccine
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23/02/2021 14:10:57 70 33
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I used to support that viewpoint. But tbh I have no sympathy for those who refuse the vaccine, none what so ever.
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23/02/2021 14:12:34 42 11
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I heard some daft idiot suggesting the other day that people be FORCED to take an examination before being allowed to drive a vehicle! Ridiculous infringement of personal liberties! Other people can easily stay out of my way if they feel the need to "stay safe". This driving test idea goes against ALL our libertarian values. It's simply NOT how we do things.
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23/02/2021 14:12:36 20 19
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And look where libertarian values have got us! Time for full ID cards (which could be stamped with proof of vaccination).. Maybe it's time we did things differently in the post-COVID world.
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23/02/2021 14:16:39 6 6
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I don't know, we could extend it. Maybe you'll need the vaccine passport plus proof of your latest general election vote and sexual preferences, that way Auntie and the left can definitely make sure only the 'right' sort of person can have the freedom to go out and socialise, and those nasty folk who believe in freedom won't be able to rock the boat and dissent.
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23/02/2021 14:17:06 7 5
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The UK doesn't have strong libertarian values, you're thinking of the US there.
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23/02/2021 14:17:31 24 5
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I appear to have missed a memo. When did ‘we’ acquire libertarian values ?... what libertarian right do you have to infect me for instance?
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jki
23/02/2021 14:21:28 0 0
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Exactly...well said
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CJ
23/02/2021 14:24:41 8 7
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Libertarian values?! We're still a monarchy for Christ's sake!
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23/02/2021 14:25:45 3 4
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How true, thats why we have so many who died from the virus by thoes who did not follow the rules, libertarian clap trap
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Sam
23/02/2021 14:27:31 3 0
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What are libertarian values?
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23/02/2021 14:29:06 13 3
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Like going around infecting people who would prefer not to be? Nothing to do with libertarianism. People have the right not to be infected.
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23/02/2021 14:32:21 4 0
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Since when did ‘we’ have libertarian values?
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You might not like them, but if it’s likely that other countries will demand evidence of a vaccine, and you want to go abroad on holiday, you’ll need one.
Vaccine passports.

The retired, who have spent the last year sitting at home complaining, reading the Daily Mail after voting in a referendum to make us all poorer. THEY get to go on holiday.

Meanwhile the young, who've been working on the front line as health staff, teachers, police, army, retail, hospitality and transport workers all have to stay at home.

Sound fair?
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23/02/2021 13:56:23 28 9
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They are more likely to require covid tests
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xlr
23/02/2021 14:06:13 13 32
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Well lets hope there's one for every strain of the virus then, as immunologically a single does-it-all doesn't make sense.
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CL
23/02/2021 14:08:44 24 5
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They already do for other diseases in some countries, why shouldn't COVID-19 be added to the list of yellow fever, typhoid, etc.?
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23/02/2021 14:10:05 23 3
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Yep, vaccinations to go abroad are absolutely inevitable because other countries won't care about foreign citizens civil rights etc. They just want em to come, spend money and not spread the virus.

Plus, as mentioned, other vaccinations are already mandated in other parts of the world, its not new.

Will become normalised very quickly and be updated based on new variants.
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kh
23/02/2021 14:19:34 2 6
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Why is this not optional like the flu vaccine, or is that next?
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23/02/2021 14:45:35 3 1
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and of course it will be compulsory for those entering the UK to have a vaccine passport? I think we know the answer.
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23/02/2021 13:54:43 5 4
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No approach should be irreversible, you proceed according to the conditions at the time - is he saying that if one of the variants starts to spread rapidly that we carry on anyway.
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23/02/2021 14:00:57 3 2
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I think if you watched the briefing yesterday, you'll have seen that a rapidly spreading variant is a condition to slow the opening up.
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23/02/2021 13:54:56 176 71
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If you own a large leisure complex you have the right to do whatever is needed to be able to stay open.
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That's right. We should all hand over our entire medical history to private companies who may then lose it / sell it on / get hacked, and in the meantime they can decide what we can and can't do using their own medical expertise. What could possibly go wrong?
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Ads
23/02/2021 14:04:31 29 25
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If you own a large leisure complex, you do not have the right to ask for proof that a customer has been vaccinated.
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23/02/2021 14:06:36 35 6
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Cruise companies are already saying that they will require proof of vaccine to board. INCLUDING under 18s.
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23/02/2021 14:05:27 9 27
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all should be required to have the flu vaccine
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23/02/2021 14:15:18 9 1
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Exactly this! Well said. If we use the argument that we have a liberal democracy then any business can choose to withhold its services. If enough of them require passports then the test of validity under law would be a long drawn-out affair, and possibly moot.
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kh
23/02/2021 14:22:04 4 1
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"whatever is needed" means exactly what?

1 - to protect against a virus
2 - to obey this government
3 - to conform with public demand

I would suggest it is option 2 only
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23/02/2021 14:31:57 6 3
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It won't be open if you believe in cancelling your customers, because they rightly believe their health records are none of your business.
23/02/2021 15:27:52 1 0
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And the people have the right to sue the industry for its role in transmitting the virus.
23/02/2021 15:47:58 3 0
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Yes, so have a good hygiene and physical distancing measures where possible to lower the risk, and test staff regularly.
However, the idea of keeping the virus out with vaccine passports is a fantasy given that under 16's won't be vaccinated, and that vaccinated people might still carry the virus to some extent, particularly if there are new vaccine-resistant variants in general circulation.
23/02/2021 16:13:02 2 0
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In order for us to be able to return to sporting events, gigs, Glastonbury & so on precautions are going to be needed. These may be either proof of vaccination, on the spot testing or a combination of the two. Also I don't want to be treated while ill in hospital by someone who has not had the vaccine. The public want to resume normal life and this means accepting the necessary safety measures.
23/02/2021 18:15:30 0 0
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I presume you also think they should be able ban people with other illnesses? Whilst we're at it, why not political ideologies / religion / race...
23/02/2021 19:33:48 0 0
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Regrettably your comment is, from a legal perspective, incorrect.
23/02/2021 20:39:30 0 0
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Does that include murder, extortion and theft, or "everything" has a limited reach?
24/02/2021 13:59:38 0 0
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Does this include demanding that people take an experimental vaccine which may have unknown long-term effects, which no one will be held liable for? Seems extreme
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Tom
23/02/2021 13:55:18 30 4
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I can't wait to have a drink with you all someday very soon. Stay safe everyone
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kh
23/02/2021 14:26:59 31 19
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Alcohol seems a bit dangerous and unnecessary after all of this. Risks are no longer allowed in life it seems. Perhaps we will need to produce a doctors letter saying our health is good enough to drink.
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If for the past 11 years they haven't bothered checking people's real passports as they came in from the EU, as they could have done, they are hardly likely to introduce Covid passports.
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Sam
23/02/2021 14:38:29 3 0
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Don't know which airports you've travelled to but mine has been checked frequently.
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not for international travel they wont
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23/02/2021 13:55:23 23 8
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Was referring to domestic, for realistically in a few years time when Covid is nothing but a memory will a shop, cinema or employer demand a ‘vaccine passport’?

Don’t think so.
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23/02/2021 14:00:04 18 6
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"when Covid is nothing but a memory"

All the science suggests this will never happen. It'll be with us permanently, like the flu
23/02/2021 14:49:53 10 2
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''in a few years time when Covid is nothing but a memory " Wow we have the worlds first scientist here who has publicly proclaimed that virus will be nothing but a memory in a few years time...

Great news, now where can I and the scientific world read your full scientific report, evidence & findings of this amazing claim you have just made ???
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23/02/2021 13:53:16 27 35
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Just in case anyone is in any doubt. We do still live in a free country. You don’t actually need government permission to hug your loved ones. If you think you do then I feel very very sorry for you ....
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23/02/2021 13:55:25 16 9
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You need to consider whether hugging them will kill them
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23/02/2021 14:07:59 4 6
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Grow up and stop overreacting
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23/02/2021 14:47:34 3 3
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But it won’t, less than4m people have tested positive out of 68m. Yes the virus is real but the disproportionate response is more likely to kill you.
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What about people who just don't want medical interventions forced on them?
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stay at home ?
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What? Permanently? Or just until 2023 when we get the first real data on the hidden harms of a slew of rushed vaccines? Or 2033 when we get the first legal acknowledgements of culpability in claims for medical damage?
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23/02/2021 13:55:37 21 11
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No need for vaccine passports if by the time things open enough people are vaccinated to make heard immunity succesfull (unpopular subject heard immunity but before Covid it was a highly regarded thing)
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23/02/2021 14:03:30 9 1
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You mean "herd-immunity" (as we are all cattle). I don't know why you say unpopular - it was one of the early targets.

I still think there's a lot more "herd" instinct than immunity when it comes to many of the subjects around Covid & society.
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23/02/2021 14:04:14 0 1
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Wrong, to travel abroad, you will need one
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23/02/2021 14:06:57 2 2
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Herd immunity is fine at a community or larger level but at a personal level, you still want some assurance that other people in the same pub as you are not going to give you covid.
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23/02/2021 14:12:50 2 2
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Vaccine passports allow things to open sooner and thus encourage the laggards to get vaccinated.
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Love or hate it as an idea, they will be required to travel internationally, just as yellow fever, typhoid and hepatitis are required in some countries now
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Only if we are fool enough to allow it!
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they need to apply same rules to MMR and Flu vaccine...no travel unless you have had them
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Yes you get vaccinated to go to a country where a disease exists which doesn't exist in your home country
Why should you have to be vaccinated to go from a country with the virus to a country with the virus?
Makes no sense
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23/02/2021 14:09:34 141 40
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Going abroad is one thing, that is other countries demanding it. Needing it within the UK, that's something entirely different
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23/02/2021 14:12:34 60 21
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Pretty sure all my vaccines for foreign travel were for my benefit. Not sure why parts of the world infested with hep, Dengue fever, typhoid, rabies etc. would be over concerned with me not bringing them in from the UK?
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23/02/2021 14:34:10 10 27
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I don't think any one should have to have a vaccine passport. What if u cant have a vaccine . Then are u band from going to the pub or on holiday etc. That's simply wrong and not fair
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23/02/2021 14:45:01 21 2
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It's really quite simple:

If some or all holiday destination countries start insisting on vaccination certificates and some among us object to that requirement; then they can't go there.

Life is full is about choices just like that one.

Next!
23/02/2021 14:50:05 7 3
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Am all for them.
23/02/2021 14:52:10 16 3
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Have no problem with a vaccine certificate/passport here or anywhere else. What’s the problem?
23/02/2021 14:52:19 12 3
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Perhaps it will keep the beaches clear of Anti-Vaxers. Bring it on.
23/02/2021 14:52:30 8 2
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The arrogant Brits demands are never ending, pathetic culture.
23/02/2021 14:54:23 11 2
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The travel industry already knows we don’t like travelling with conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers and chavs.

Hopefully most of them will be priced-out anyway.
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23/02/2021 13:55:47 18 15
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Don't worry everyone. Matt Hancock's wife's hairdresser's nephew has just registered a shell company called "Vaccine Passports 4U" so I'm sure it will all be just fine.
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23/02/2021 13:55:52 12 11
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This was always going to be the way forward so no idea why Johnson states “never, no way” when we knew this was coming.

Leadership isn’t screaming slogans and charging to the front shouting “follow me”, it’s about being clear, concise, having a plan and not u turning every day
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Clueless
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Yep...just do it.

There are no ethics and other snowflake issues associated with travel passport drivers licence etc.

Freedom of each individual not to vaccinate is fine but don't expect the freedom of everybody else to be curtailed or compromised to accommodate this.

Get on with it.
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23/02/2021 13:56:03 34 34
bbc
Oh another Stasi recruitment target!
464
23/02/2021 14:20:29 8 3
bbc
If you want to live in a society then you have to accept you have duties and responsibilities that will help maintain that society. In the new world these will include having vaccinations against certain diseases...
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23/02/2021 13:56:07 20 18
bbc
so forced vaccinatios to go anywhere .no vaccine guarantees you wont catch it thousands die every winter from flu even with the vaccine and even people who have had it die from it why are they treating covid any different considering its low death rate .most people who catch it recover without even going into hospital its all scaremongering what happened to personal choice
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23/02/2021 13:56:10 71 37
bbc
Vaccine passports in domestic settings provide fuel to the fire for anti-vaxxers to push their conspiracy theories, the same one’s we should be dismissing.
105
23/02/2021 14:01:36 92 23
bbc
It becomes more difficult to dismiss conspiracy theories when their predictions come true...
For the record, I think the worrying increase in authoritarianism is more likely due to a failure on behalf of the public to understand risk rather than a grand plan drawn up in shadowy corridors
255
23/02/2021 14:09:27 3 3
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But I will be inside the pub and won't be able to hear them standing out in the rain.
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kh
23/02/2021 14:24:04 1 0
bbc
conspiracy theories like?

no virus?
fake vaccine?
new world order?

yes you are probably right.
23/02/2021 15:48:11 5 1
bbc
Conspiracy - the theory bit is dropped when it turns out to be true
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GJ
23/02/2021 13:56:13 19 15
bbc
I have never understood the resistance to this-try putting your Dog into kennels without its jab records being up to date.....
45
23/02/2021 13:57:43 10 7
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Because we are not dogs
51
23/02/2021 13:58:35 5 3
bbc
Comparing humanity to canines. Dear me, you nutters have lost it.
30
23/02/2021 13:56:22 287 120
bbc
I'm expecting some countries to implement this Covid passport idea, but the thought of having to produce one simply to gain access to my local pub or other indoor establishments, please just no, it's a cretinus idea we could all do without.
394
23/02/2021 14:16:26 79 71
bbc
PM promises to check Yougov poll to see what to do.
As he has done very efficiently throughout.
Who said he wasn't up to the job
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mav
23/02/2021 14:17:31 16 5
bbc
it wont happen , you pop in to your local Dog and Duck on a rainy night in mid October ... first question from landlord please show me your cert .... never will happen
569
23/02/2021 14:26:17 14 14
bbc
Then the pub stays shut and people lose their livelihood, pub may never reopen.
704
23/02/2021 14:32:29 9 24
bbc
Why? Would you like/want to go into a pub or anywhere else if someone in there was infectious? The point of vaccines and proof is to protect everyone else.
23/02/2021 15:06:03 16 1
bbc
Agreed, especially as nothing to stop people producing fake certificates as some would do. If it was just a certificate nothing to stop people just using someone else’s, unless you start putting photos on them which increases the expense. Before we know it we will end up having to pay £30 or more for one
Only a cretin would knowingly mix with the unvaccinated, however! Removed
23/02/2021 15:43:51 0 5
bbc
So you would accept it to go to some undesirable place to the majority of folk, one or two places in Spain and Greece spring to mind but not to a hotel or restaurant type of establishments in Britain- struggling to get my head around that
ET
23/02/2021 16:40:27 0 4
bbc
Apart from the publican with a vulnerable parent upstairs.
23/02/2021 16:43:31 1 0
bbc
They shouldn't be necessary in the UK if enough people have been vaccinated in the older ages groups and the most vulnerable as it will only be the younger people who could catch the virus - those who are less likely to be hospitalised. The only problem is with anyone who may have one of the dodgy mutations from abroad and is asymptomatic.....
23/02/2021 18:11:51 0 3
bbc
Boycott your local. They have been a great source for spreading COVID
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23/02/2021 13:53:16 27 35
bbc
Just in case anyone is in any doubt. We do still live in a free country. You don’t actually need government permission to hug your loved ones. If you think you do then I feel very very sorry for you ....
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23/02/2021 13:56:26 9 0
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But we don't live in a Covid-free country. In fact the 'free country' thing is a nonsense: we're freer than many but we can't be entirely free as we live in a society where we each affect everyone else.
32
23/02/2021 13:56:36 8 15
bbc
Other countries will do it and if it protects so why don't we do it, snowflake society.
78
23/02/2021 14:00:04 0 2
bbc
Who says others will do it. Which others and would you want to visit them?
114
23/02/2021 14:02:00 0 0
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Better than pitiful one you wish to live in...and I dislike the snow flake attitude...but the idea to use them internally for access to venues is absurd...and will just result in fake IDs very quickly!
250
23/02/2021 14:08:50 1 0
bbc
Snowflakes doing exactly what the government tells them to without questioning it.
6
23/02/2021 13:52:53 37 38
bbc
Don't see an issue at all. People who are medically exempt from the vaccine should have a card saying as such and allowed entry. Vaccination cards should be part and parcel of life moving forward. No different to showing your drivers licence to prove that you over age to drink at a pub.
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23/02/2021 13:56:38 17 7
bbc
Just because your old enough to drive does not mean you have a driving licence. Also what about the other 50 communicable disease that kill more people per year, do you have a vaccine for each of those and a certificate!!
23/02/2021 18:05:58 1 0
bbc
Name them, if they are worse then covid, I think we would have heard about them.
34
23/02/2021 13:56:42 14 11
bbc
Give a certificate to those that medically cannot have a vaccine, so the anti vaxers have the freedom not to be allowed in airports, pubs, hotels, and anywhere else they would wilfully infect and kill other people through their own belligerence. Though hopefully the knowledge that the earth is flat will keep them away from foreign holidays anyway.
172
23/02/2021 14:05:46 2 0
bbc
But if you had your vaccine then what's the problem?
235
23/02/2021 14:08:12 1 0
bbc
If enough other people were vaccinated there wouldn’t be a problem, so let anti-vaxxers get on with whatever they want to do (you don’t own their bodies after all), and don’t introduce passports; that will only undermine confidence in the vaccine.
261
23/02/2021 14:09:46 0 0
bbc
What about those who have had the virus and recovered and do not want the vaccine? I may have missed the evidence that the vaccine produces a more reliable and longer-lasting immunity than a naturally-derived one but I fail to understand the logic behind your insults. I have not had the virus, am awaiting the vaccine, but the 'baying mob' mentality is out of order
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23/02/2021 13:56:48 194 34
bbc
So the UK will have completed our vax programme by 31 July but we will be able to take foreign holidays from 17 May - probably to countries whose vax programmes are lagging behind ours. What could possibly go wrong?
165
23/02/2021 14:05:28 148 1
bbc
Be interesting to see how holiday providers deal with holidays booked by people who have not been able to get fully vaccinated before their departure date.
356
23/02/2021 14:14:03 3 9
bbc
So sorry but vaccines still awaited by many over 75,see local reports Please
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Bob
23/02/2021 14:32:10 12 0
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Doesn't mean international travel will be free of restrictions. You may well need to have received the vaccine, and/or get tested and quarantine. Vaccine escaping mutations will arise so this remains a risk regardless of vaccine status.

They won't go from an outright ban the day before to a free-for-all the very next day.
735
23/02/2021 14:34:04 6 23
bbc
Another stupid plan from a stupid Prime Minister and chums who are incapable of seeing any bigger picture. Too little, too late yet again.
947
23/02/2021 14:41:50 16 2
bbc
Absolutely. Everyone should be offered the jab before we start gallivanting around the world again. No herd immunity=no travelling abroad.
954
23/02/2021 14:45:43 2 5
bbc
Wrong, you need to re-read the information.
23/02/2021 14:56:37 35 1
bbc
Why are these idiots booking holidays to destinations that may still be under restrictions? They will be moaning when they can't go on holiday and have to wait 6 months for a refund!! May 17 means nothing because it is the country you are flying TO that will determine whether you can go at all.
23/02/2021 14:57:01 24 0
bbc
The 17th may is just a date to review foreign travel . Not to allow it
23/02/2021 15:59:13 5 0
bbc
Completed, no.. that's just a milestone. Everyone will have been offered a 1st jab by then, and then 12 weeks later a 2nd jab, and then wait several weeks later for immunity to be boosted, so October/November more like......
23/02/2021 16:31:20 2 0
bbc
Suggest you revisit the roadmap International Travel restrictions are to be reviewed nothing about there being lifted on 17th May!
ET
23/02/2021 16:42:39 2 0
bbc
Those stupid enough to travel to such destinations might well get ill.
23/02/2021 17:22:52 0 0
bbc
Not a lot if you have had two vaccinations as it makes it extremely unlikely you will catch or pass on the disease when you return.
23/02/2021 17:25:16 0 2
bbc
Only two countries are more dangerous than ours at the moment, Belgium and Slovenia.
23/02/2021 17:49:09 0 3
bbc
0.8% of the population of the UK has been vaccinated. No one except a few African countries is lagging behind us.
23/02/2021 19:14:32 2 0
bbc
The point is my cloth eared friend that the vaccine does not prevent you contracting the virus but it does 84 percent prevent serious infection.
23/02/2021 20:19:40 1 0
bbc
Completed 1st jabs - not second which are needed to give a reasonable chance of immunity (but still well below 100%).
But AZ think that current vaccines will be ineffective against the new mutations already multiplying and a new vaccination programme will be needed by August.
So giving those last few million jabs will be pretty pointless, won't it?
23/02/2021 21:49:50 0 0
bbc
Australia and New Zealand more or less virus free, try there
24/02/2021 01:00:12 0 0
bbc
Your flight is cancelled? Other than that unless you are 80+ with at least ONE other co-morbidity, then you might end up dying by getting run over, more chance of that for the vast majority of the population. But hey, don't you worry, just lock every one up for another year. PS it is also seasonal & as an Edinburgh epidemiologist pointed out no one anywhere has caught it on the beach.
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23/02/2021 13:56:51 3 14
bbc
PM promises to check Yougov poll to see what to do.
As he has done very efficiently throughout.
Who said he wasn't up to the job.
37
23/02/2021 13:56:56 9 10
bbc
People who think the world will go back to how it was by July or whenever are sadly mistaken. We will be living with new realities like this from now on. And what's the problem with it? If it opens things up more sfaely, bring it on.
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RK
23/02/2021 13:58:36 1 2
bbc
Not July no. 21st June yes.
155
23/02/2021 14:04:31 2 2
bbc
The problem is that it won't stop here!

When will you see that this is just the tip of the iceberg? What will your limit be? When they say they need to chip us all so they can track all our movements in the name of safety?

The government are hugely overstepping the boundaries with this. It is a gross infringement on personal liberties and privacy
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23/02/2021 13:57:03 310 93
bbc
I will have the vaccine, and I am in no way supportive of the anti vax view.

However, in my opinion the principle of an individuals liberty trumps the enforcement of vaccination.

Education is the key here and get as many people to take the jab on their own free will.

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57
23/02/2021 13:58:58 112 17
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Carrot or stick?

The carrot is far more suited to a modern civil sociey, one that that I would want to be part of.

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194
23/02/2021 14:06:22 19 15
bbc
I agree with you entirely. Far to many people willing to compromise their morals and liberty for ‘the pandemic’.

I will be getting the vaccine, unless this is introduced. Don’t mind if it is introduced for international travel; but for nothing internal.
226
23/02/2021 14:07:51 5 4
bbc
I couldn't have said it better myself.
311
23/02/2021 14:09:02 7 0
bbc
Hope you have your flu vaccine every year
345
23/02/2021 14:13:21 28 16
bbc
ok, but there is no enforcement of vaccination , people can choose not to have it . If they make that choice , which is patently acting against the welfare of the country as a whole, they can't complain if they are excluded from some activities of society.
408
23/02/2021 14:17:11 27 11
bbc
It's not about enforcement but about compliance. Unless you have a good medical reason not to have the vaccine you should understand that there will be consequences in terms of travel and jobs for which you will not be open to you. That's how it should be.
676
23/02/2021 14:31:24 20 7
bbc
Problem is that people do not have a right to go around infecting others! If they choose to be infected and suffer the consequences then that is fine for them though wider society has to pay the medical costs, but what about those around them who probably don't want to be infected?
945
23/02/2021 14:41:14 11 6
bbc
No one is being "forced" to have the vaccine, got mine on Sunday and I did so through choice.

As for "liberty" what about the "liberty" of all of those who have had the vaccine or are willing to have it when offered having their liberty restricted by those who choose not to be vaccinated and being possible spreaders of the virus...

It's not about "liberty" it's about doing what is right...
23/02/2021 14:58:29 8 1
bbc
There is no 'enforcement' of vaccination. It is and always has been a matter for the individual. However that doesn't give them carte blanche to ignore the consequences of their decision and if that means airlines or countries will not accept them then that is a direct consequence of them exercising their right to choose not to be vaccinated. As in all life, actions have consequences.
Bex
23/02/2021 15:08:15 7 4
bbc
so the principle of liberty SHOULD allow me to smoke in pubs? or not wear a seat belt? or drink and drive. all these laws are in place to protect both the user and the vulnerable. vaccines are no different.
23/02/2021 15:12:20 7 4
bbc
Completely agree
I will accept the vaccine too
But any individual has the right to decide what to put in their body and not be discriminated against
23/02/2021 15:15:12 6 2
bbc
No one is forcing anyone to get a passport; if you have enjoyed staying at home over the last year. Don't bother getting the passport or the vaccination and let the rest of us get out and back to normal.
23/02/2021 15:56:32 4 1
bbc
Well, as the saying goes: your individual liberties stop where mine start. You are, for example, rather sensibly deprived of the individual liberty to drive at 70mph in a built-up area. Contrary to Mrs. T's famous claim, their *is* such thing as society - and you are part of it.
23/02/2021 16:01:41 2 2
bbc
Indeed, also to add to EU Directive on the Pandemic - "ensure that citizens are informed that the vaccination is NOT mandatory and that no one is politically, socially, or otherwise pressured to get themselves vaccinated.

Now before anyone says "we left the EU" you could say this is setting a standard that the UK government SHOULD live up to.
WM
23/02/2021 16:11:13 3 1
bbc
I don't want to mix with anyone who has not had a vaccine in an enclosed area. Concert, cinema, sports halls etc... I have rights to.
Nyx
23/02/2021 16:36:59 2 0
bbc
Agreed, that's how I feel too. And it sets a bit of a potential precedence
23/02/2021 16:53:07 1 0
bbc
This is not enforcement of vaccination, this is a request for a vaccine "passport" for those of us who need to (or wish to) travel abroad. What is the issue with that?.....
23/02/2021 16:56:50 0 0
bbc
Because education and free will did so well last year, right?
23/02/2021 16:59:39 1 0
bbc
But some people can't be educated and some refuse to be educated. Somewhere down the line a tiny bit of 'liberty' will need to be given up in order to protect a far larger bit of liberty.
23/02/2021 17:15:43 0 0
bbc
There are people who cannot be educated!!
23/02/2021 17:53:05 0 1
bbc
so you think they should have the liberty to infect and cause serious illness and possibly death to others? And those others shouldn't have the liberty to know that they are safe? Individuals' liberty does not trump the welfare and possible loss of life of others. You don't have the liberty to drive on the wrong side of the road do you?
23/02/2021 18:05:55 0 1
bbc
You can exercise your free will by choosing to have a vaccine and be able to do things or choose to not have a vaccine and not do things, you've still got a choice. If you are genuinely unable to have a vaccine you should get a vaccine passport equivalent as well. I don't have a driving license and can't drive because it's dangerous to others - similar thing with vaccine passports.
23/02/2021 18:07:17 0 1
bbc
"An individual's liberty"

We have seen how this goes down so well

Take a look at the USA and their gun laws

Libertarianism taken to extremes
23/02/2021 18:12:51 0 0
bbc
Thank you for showing there are still some reasonable people in the world
VoR
23/02/2021 18:20:36 1 0
bbc
Right, but unfortunately some people are already indoctrinated into believing anti-vax conspiracy theories and nothing will get them to change their view, other than a lot of loved ones dying for lack of a vaccination.

One thing anti-vaxers should be asking themselves is why the wealthy, educated and white are generally happy to take the vaccine, if it is so bad.
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23/02/2021 13:57:10 24 22
bbc
Papers for this, papers for that. With each one you surrender a little more of your liberty.

What determines which papers you have to carry and show? Where do the enthusiasts for this imposition draw the line? What happens when the line is drawn a little closer than they anticipate?
56
23/02/2021 13:58:57 9 12
bbc
Just need the uniform and the plan is complete "Papiere, bitte!"
60
23/02/2021 13:59:05 4 6
bbc
I have a right to know others aren't infected so I can live with greater freedom ... why do you say I am not allowed to have this ?
142
23/02/2021 14:03:49 1 2
bbc
Next you will have to show photo ID to get on a bus.
7
23/02/2021 13:52:55 306 95
bbc
With Michael Gove heading up the review, we're in safe hands..!! what could possibly go wrong?
40
23/02/2021 13:57:29 284 169
bbc
Perhaps we can get a committee of Labour MPs to deal with it and then refer it to the unions for agreement ?
177
23/02/2021 14:05:47 38 16
bbc
Well Gove is in the control of his union. He is controlled by the 1922 committee, and CRG!
241
23/02/2021 14:07:16 35 33
bbc
And then have a public Enquiry led by a judge, and a committee of every minority imaginable over 5 years and then referred back to the unions to refer back to Labour exec who question if the enquiry was independent enough, so refer to an independent enquiry to ensure ....... you get the message
320
23/02/2021 14:12:30 37 30
bbc
Usual tory rubbish,you know it's about time you grow up
Maybe they can get Chakrabarti to do it. It appears her price to stump up the pre-ordained outcome (such as a whitewash report of institutionalised anti-Semitism in the Labour Party) is a peerage and unelected front-bench role. Oh how she cried, boo-hoo, when she realised she had sold her credibility for a cheap (well, not so cheap) bribe. Removed
739
23/02/2021 14:34:23 6 6
bbc
Dumb and Dumber
"refer it to unions for agreement"?

Unions are millions of workers and voters. Workers who will be responsible for implementing the policy. Voters who may or may not agree to the introduction of a "show me your papers" policy.

Why do you think asking them for their input and approval is such a bad idea?
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Ed
23/02/2021 14:43:39 12 10
bbc
Every time someone points out the manifest failings of the Tory party some loser pipes up with "BuT wHaT aBoUt LaBoUr?!" as if that has anything to do with the topic at hand.

If the only way you can defend the Tories is by comparing them to an imaginary situation that you cooked up in your head, you probably backed a bad horse.
930
23/02/2021 14:44:27 10 5
bbc
You mean collaboratively with the stakeholders? That would make a lot more sense, rather than appointing Gove as the Covid-Tsar. In what way is he qualified?

The only truth I recall Gove peddling was that Boris is '...unfit for senior office'.
23/02/2021 14:53:50 7 4
bbc
What you mean actual qualified people who care rather than just giving it to a mate?
You are saying you would rather an incompetent corrupt person run it rather than those with your best interests at heart?

WOW, - im so not surprised.
23/02/2021 14:55:04 1 0
bbc
??????????
23/02/2021 14:56:39 10 4
bbc
I am not a fan of referring anything to the unions, but I think that they'd do a better job than any current cabinet member.
23/02/2021 15:11:56 7 4
bbc
I just don’t understand how you can be so emotionally invested in the Tories. They’d probably spit at you in the streets if they weren’t interested in your votes. You aren’t one of them and you never will be.
23/02/2021 15:28:34 0 0
bbc
"Perhaps we can get a committee of Labour MPs to deal with it and then refer it to the unions for agreement ?"

And then the committee of Labour MPs can all vote against the agreed practice!
23/02/2021 16:15:43 2 0
bbc
A good idea and certainly a lot better than trusting someone that most folk wouldn't turn their back on within 100 yards conduct a review.

At least involving trade unions would mean a lot of working class people's views would be heard and respected, as opposed to just the 1% Elite.
23/02/2021 16:54:06 1 0
bbc
That's a sensible idea. Get a range of different views before committing to a decision. You might also consider asking the views of the border control officers and travel agents.
23/02/2021 17:12:44 1 1
bbc
Another union hater who takes what they created, NHS, holiday & sick pay, pensions rights, minimum wage, family allowance, social housing...could go on all day but you only listen to 3 word slogans
23/02/2021 17:14:25 2 0
bbc
I'd much prefer it to be 'referred to the unions' than to be referred to the Tory cronies to see who was willing to provide the biggest kickback to the Tory party for producing the output as under the Tories thanks.
The unions are after all just the representatives of the working people of the UK who make up their membership, not as with the Tories the representatives of rich foreign businesses.
23/02/2021 17:46:49 1 0
bbc
well it couldn't be worse than the Tories doing it.
23/02/2021 17:55:11 0 0
bbc
Will Corbyn and Abbott be on it? Because in that case what could possibly go right?
23/02/2021 19:11:06 0 0
bbc
Starmer will be there with tweezers in hand, they were his main inheritance from Corbyn.
23/02/2021 19:46:34 1 0
bbc
Or let Boris and his clowns take a view............
23/02/2021 20:49:20 0 0
bbc
What not Boris' boss Rupert Murdoch and the the people in the city who caused the credit crunch or maybe the tory crooks who run the the disastrous test and trace.
LH
23/02/2021 21:01:22 0 0
bbc
And Dame Abbot of Blackface to count them all out!! ...
23/02/2021 21:45:00 0 0
bbc
probably get a better and more honest result
23/02/2021 21:59:38 0 0
bbc
Just give to someone intelligent which rules out the idiot Gove based on the massive mess he made of our school system.
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DJG
23/02/2021 13:53:06 219 138
bbc
Unethical, immoral and unnecessary. Spend the time and money vaccinating those who want it please.
41
23/02/2021 13:57:30 143 106
bbc
Please explain those big words with empty meaning in this case. Our individual actions affect everyone else.
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DJG
23/02/2021 14:00:06 39 21
bbc
It's unethical and immoral to force someone to have a medial treatment against their will (else tell them they will be excluded from society). It's unnecessary as the take up is so good that we will achieve immunity in any event (as best can be done - never 100% successful).
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kh
23/02/2021 14:22:40 4 5
bbc
I've yet to be convinced of that.
ffs it's the flu. If you're so scared of it you'd rather have an untested vaccine do so. You're safe now right so what's your problem if I'm not dirtying my pants and don't need the vaccine and don't want the vaccine? Fear based mind control, remarkably effective but not everyone is susceptible. Removed
23/02/2021 17:00:57 8 2
bbc
My body, my choice pal. You have no rights over me.
23/02/2021 17:55:21 3 1
bbc
Are you illiterate? Unnecessary is not that hard to understand, surely!!!!
Why do you think they are empty meaning? Because you disagree ?
23/02/2021 18:24:22 3 0
bbc
The individual action of having the vaccine affects that person far more than anyone else... benefit to others is a smaller side issue but it's equal whether others have had the jab or not. Not having the vaccine will predominantly affect other unvaccinated people.
23/02/2021 20:41:26 0 1
bbc
No they don't. It is selfish people that think what they do affects all.
24/02/2021 00:20:31 1 0
bbc
Besford, all you’re doing here is saying everybody ‘has’ to have a vaccination and if they don’t then don’t let them enjoy social freedom ....coz then they’ll have to have one.
Forcing someone else to have a vaccination? That just can’t be right.
What next? It’s too dangerous having people that think too much(differently?), record their IQ and give them a lobotomy if they’re too clever?
24/02/2021 01:11:36 0 0
bbc
Yes your fear of a bad flu and you insistence that 67 million should be locked down to save how many lives? Look in the mirror friend, you are the problem. You've destroyed the lives of millions of young, immune to save those very old & very ill. The 'cat' was let out the bag when Pfizer defended its vaccine in Norway. The dead they said "they were very old & very ill and would have died anyway"
24/02/2021 22:19:17 0 0
bbc
You getting the jab protects you and you alone. No one else. You can still catch it and infect others.
42
23/02/2021 13:57:33 143 49
bbc
What about the other communicable disease that kill people every year, do you have a vaccine for each of those and a certificate!!
130
23/02/2021 14:03:04 120 69
bbc
exactly how many die from flu every winter but dont have to have a cert for that
687
23/02/2021 14:31:45 9 7
bbc
How many businesses are currently shut or suffering because of another disease? Don't you think you should do something to help those people. They could open to vaccinated people tomorrow or suffer another 4 months. Turkeys voting for Christmas.
23/02/2021 16:49:48 0 0
bbc
Some of us do.Have had them for out entire adult lives.
23/02/2021 16:51:36 0 0
bbc
Yes you do. If you want to travel to some countries you have to have vaccines against serious diseases and you are given the proof that you have had them.
23/02/2021 17:37:42 1 0
bbc
If there is no vaccine for a disease there can not be a vaccination certificate.
23/02/2021 19:16:24 0 0
bbc
The majority yes.
LH
23/02/2021 21:04:01 0 0
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You mean an AIDS vax cert for the Nightclub??!!
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BGD
23/02/2021 13:57:36 532 85
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Difficult ethical issue this one.

I would suggest that this is important for international travel - as I am sure that some countries will impose this. In addition this should help 'persuade' people to get the jab.

As for internally within the UK, I would suggest this will be a minefield best avoided.
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23/02/2021 14:04:26 273 659
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persuade people to get the jab ? its called forcing them to have it against there will
239
23/02/2021 14:06:28 65 42
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MMR vaccine should be compulsory in UK
262
23/02/2021 14:09:47 34 17
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Why is it an 'ethical issue'? It's not as ethical an issue as the current imposition of lockdown.
455
23/02/2021 14:19:56 43 21
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But it also ignores the fact that while it reduces the possibility of transmission, it does not eliminate it. So.. just because you have been vaccinated -- and you have the virus -- means you are probably 30-40% capable of transmitting. However, it's still a good idea - and business will impose it anyway even if GOVTs don't.
No it isn't.....I amnot sure why people are desperate to live in the old Soviet Union....wish those people would bugger off to an authoritarian country of their choosing and leave us well alone Removed
547
23/02/2021 14:24:58 11 2
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agree 100%
589
23/02/2021 14:27:13 21 7
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Why? What is so objectionable about being able to show to other people you are vaccinated, and hence less likely to be spreading the virus in large quantities?
592
23/02/2021 14:27:20 13 1
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I think they could have some use in the UK but not for things like just going to a pub.
If it was the only way to hold a large scale event like a festival then I don’t think it would be unreasonable for the organisers to require proof of vaccination and exempt those who have a medical reason why they can’t have it.
That said hopefully with widespread vaccination it won’t even be necessary.
23/02/2021 15:20:44 2 0
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Unless the law is changed to make the covid vaccine and any strain compulsory then it will be a nightmare as people will funded to challenge this in court, if countries adapted this inside the EU it would be the end of free movement and would be defiantly challenged, yes I can see countries and the EU as a whole demanding covid passports but again I would expect this to be challenged
23/02/2021 15:29:12 1 4
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COERCION
23/02/2021 15:36:38 9 5
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I wont have it, my immune system is an amazing tool!!

And if not then its my time! So be it!

Blinkered? Maybe, Stubborn? Definitely, Stupid? Nope

Willing to let authoritarian govts tell me what I can and cant do? 100% not, never, this isnt where it will end!
I can see attraction of a vaccine passport, but can also see issues if the Government doesn't have a common sense approach. Quite a few people have adverse reactions to vaccinations. My son was one such person with his MMR jab some years ago, From later that day for 3 weeks he was in bed with a high temperature & severe headache. Even now he can't take bright sunlight. Will there be exemptions? Removed
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23/02/2021 14:04:38 1 3
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The whole point of them is to make there be no exception. Your son was healthy and look what a widely trialled vaccine did to him. Every one of the covid vaccines has been rushed out without the typical development period of up to 10 years. Never should medicime be coerced or be made mandatory. It is for the individual to manage risk for themselves.
283
23/02/2021 14:10:57 1 0
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The anti MMR vaccine hoax was due to the efforts of one misguided individual, who was discredited and removed from the medical profession years ago.
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GJ
23/02/2021 13:56:13 19 15
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I have never understood the resistance to this-try putting your Dog into kennels without its jab records being up to date.....
45
23/02/2021 13:57:43 10 7
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Because we are not dogs
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23/02/2021 14:05:04 3 1
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No, but apart from our 'intelligence' we are not much different, see your school biology text book for details.
46
23/02/2021 13:58:02 10 15
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Less a novelty and more an outrage and a crime against free society. Coercion at its most obvious.
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Me
23/02/2021 13:54:42 802 113
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You might not like them, but if it’s likely that other countries will demand evidence of a vaccine, and you want to go abroad on holiday, you’ll need one.
Vaccine passports.

The retired, who have spent the last year sitting at home complaining, reading the Daily Mail after voting in a referendum to make us all poorer. THEY get to go on holiday.

Meanwhile the young, who've been working on the front line as health staff, teachers, police, army, retail, hospitality and transport workers all have to stay at home.

Sound fair?
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146
23/02/2021 14:04:09 84 21
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Sounds like a nonsense comment.
150
23/02/2021 14:04:14 20 11
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Yes
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23/02/2021 14:05:38 115 6
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Im not retired. Ive been working, i plan on getting the vaccine, i also plan to go on holiday when it is safe. I never plan on reading the daily mail though. My significant other is a teacher and will be doing the same. Your point?
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23/02/2021 14:06:08 37 141
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Very true, not only have the young been hit hardest economically by the pandemic, now they have to wait the longest to go back to normal life. Guess Johnson can't alienate his ageing voters.
192
23/02/2021 14:06:14 76 17
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grow up
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23/02/2021 14:06:15 117 31
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You lost my sympathy for your argument the moment you invoked the ‘mail, and ‘referendum’ into it.

I guess you read the equally polarising comic called the ‘Guardian’ and were silly enough to vote ‘remain’

Stereotypes are not nice are they?
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23/02/2021 14:04:56 21 15
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A monkey's I do not give.
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23/02/2021 14:07:44 23 5
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Thank you for all you have done for us oldies. I fully agree vaccine proof should only apply after your age group has had access to a vaccine. I sincerely hope we won’t be allowing anyone in from abroad who has not been vaccinated, without quarantining
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23/02/2021 14:08:23 37 13
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Bless! And all the retired you so despise were born with silver spoons in their mouths, have never served their country, and have been consistently had their lives endangered by [some] selfish young people. Grow up.
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23/02/2021 14:09:48 38 2
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We don't all read the Daily Heil or vote for the Tories and Brexit . Haven't complained much either and our daughter is a front line health worker.
She has had the vaccine because of her work and has booked a well deserved holiday. We have also booked a holiday and when vaccinated will hopefully enjoy it too.
What's so unfair about that?
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Ben
23/02/2021 14:10:16 8 13
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This extends far beyond just holidays. Rather ironically, in exerting such huge efforts in protecting the elderly, the young are going to have to bear the true burden of this pandemic.

(And yes, I appreciate that the older folk in society didn't exactly choose to be the most susceptible to severe illness/death or choose to be the focus of the government's 'efforts')
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23/02/2021 14:10:19 35 6
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Yes. What do you know about the hardships suffered by those older than you, when they were younger? Life can be hard - get used to the up and down nature of it, before you start alienating one group from another due to age.
276
23/02/2021 14:10:33 5 33
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You have hit the nail on the head,can only hope Sage cruises have terrible weather
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23/02/2021 14:11:13 33 4
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very narrow minded and ageist view of the world. plenty of young ppl voted for brexit, its too overly simplistic to blame one demographic for all problems. reality is more complex than that.
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mcg
23/02/2021 14:11:18 16 1
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Narrow minded comment. Retired, non Daily Mail reader, didn’t vote leave or conservative. Desperate to see family before even thinking of holidays. Something most of my peers want!!
303
23/02/2021 14:11:39 9 2
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I cannot believe how many decent people are feeding the troll! Although by typing this, I suppose I am too.
352
23/02/2021 14:13:49 8 1
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Wow what planet are you on.
362
23/02/2021 14:14:25 8 1
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Which referendum made us all poorer? My company made about an extra 20 million last year.
363
23/02/2021 14:14:35 5 3
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It would be grossly unfair to bring in such a scheme this summer before every person has been offered the vaccine
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23/02/2021 14:16:12 21 2
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You know that the retirement age is 67 right and currently everyone over 50 is being called for a vaccination? You also know that all health and social care workers have been invited too, regardless of age?
Hospitality is hardly front line and has been shut for the best part of a year.
Run your whinge again and see if you can make sense this time.
477
23/02/2021 14:21:05 1 3
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Yep.
482
23/02/2021 14:21:26 13 0
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lets hope they develop a anti thicko vaccine soon for you
497
23/02/2021 14:22:10 1 7
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Well said. Why not a balanced response to the pandemic that treats all age groups with equal respect?
523
23/02/2021 14:23:23 10 1
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The retired have been stuck in for the last year not spreading covid yes. The young have been out working all year having social contact with others and not isolated yes. If some countries require vaccination certificates to let you in then there’s nothing we can do about that yes. As the rules relax you can go out more too. ?? boo hoo. There there dear. Suck it up.
527
23/02/2021 14:23:41 17 3
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their generation is also why you are living freely and not speaking German laddie
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CJR
23/02/2021 14:25:18 6 0
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Unfortunately that’s life
577
23/02/2021 14:26:34 6 0
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Please go and cry on somebody else's shoulder.......
602
23/02/2021 14:27:59 1 0
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It actually sounds very bitter and un-accepting that other people have a view regardless of their aged or demographic
624
23/02/2021 14:28:49 7 2
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You sound like a real barrel of laughs crying remoaner
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as
23/02/2021 14:33:14 4 2
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A really stupid and untrue comment.
745
23/02/2021 14:34:50 4 1
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Don't forgot the HYS regulars you're talking to are the ones you're describing as retired, sitting at home complaining and reading the daily mail. Don't expect your comment to be popular here!
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JPK
23/02/2021 14:34:54 7 2
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Sounds like a load of ill informed ageist nonsense
784
23/02/2021 14:36:31 13 2
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I'm retired but all of your ridiculous generalisations about me were so wrong. They say much more about you than me or my many friends of my age. Better luck with your next drivel.
817
23/02/2021 14:37:55 6 0
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Please don't tar all of us older people with the same brush
854
23/02/2021 14:39:37 6 3
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The younger population will get their chance in a few months. When you get the chance take the vaccine. Stop looking for ficticious reasons not to have it.
896
23/02/2021 14:41:26 1 1
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Erm, isn't that all a bit of a generalisation?
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23/02/2021 13:54:28 508 259
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I accept we might need vaccine passports to travel to other countries. It is not up to us or the UK.

I also accept that some people may be required to have a vaccine in order to do certain healthcare jobs - they do now anyway.

I do NOT think we should have vaccine passports in general in the UK. It goes all against our libertarian values. Its not how we do things.
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23/02/2021 13:58:04 470 42
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I’m curious. Do you think it would be ethical to allow visitors from other countries into the UK without proof that they have been vaccinated?
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Ads
23/02/2021 14:07:51 48 18
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Travellers are vaccinated to protect them from alien diseases that frequent their destination. Not to prevent them from taking an illness to that destination.
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23/02/2021 14:11:34 6 47
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Off course,if your rich and pay into the tory fund
346
23/02/2021 14:13:29 10 3
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We never have, hence TB and measles are no longer nearly eradicated in the UK.
So, your point is what?
476
23/02/2021 14:21:05 11 5
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We should not allow anyone in who has not tested negative or has not been vaccinated.
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23/02/2021 14:26:45 2 0
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Yes
639
23/02/2021 14:29:33 2 0
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Yes, why not? The world has been doing that for decades already.
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23/02/2021 13:58:12 5 8
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Meanwhile, try not to mention pink triangles or yellow stars.
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23/02/2021 14:00:19 2 1
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Not the same ... and you know it.

This virus kills without discrimination ...
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23/02/2021 14:00:24 0 0
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Hmm! You might need to elaborate on that for some!
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23/02/2021 14:01:17 1 0
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Really? You think that it's reasonable to equate this with the Nazis treatment of homosexuals and jews? Unbelievable !
50
23/02/2021 13:58:25 21 8
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Government hasn't yet given in to the authoritarian harangue on this and I hope they won't. This sort of thing will drive vaccine hesitancy more than a thousand tin-foil youtube videos.
The extraordinarily high effectiveness of an individual's vaccine (should they choose to have it) should remove a lot of the rationale for worrying about other's vaccine status, but I worry we wont be rational here
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23/02/2021 14:01:46 19 22
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Without doing the maths two people with 90% protection is much better than one at 90% and the other at 0%.
People have a right not to be vaccinated and I have a right not to have them people near me.
Pub and restaurant owners will have to decide which group they give in to as this is an either / or scenario
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GJ
23/02/2021 13:56:13 19 15
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I have never understood the resistance to this-try putting your Dog into kennels without its jab records being up to date.....
51
23/02/2021 13:58:35 5 3
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Comparing humanity to canines. Dear me, you nutters have lost it.
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23/02/2021 14:07:57 0 0
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Talking of squirrels, nut gatherers, ... We, dogs, and squirrels, apart from our 'intelligence' are not much different. See your school biology text book for details.
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23/02/2021 13:56:56 9 10
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People who think the world will go back to how it was by July or whenever are sadly mistaken. We will be living with new realities like this from now on. And what's the problem with it? If it opens things up more sfaely, bring it on.
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RK
23/02/2021 13:58:36 1 2
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Not July no. 21st June yes.
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23/02/2021 13:58:40 5 6
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What's the point? They will probably screw up the 'passport' service while funneling vast sums of public money into their friends bank accounts. Financial parasites.

Meanwhile, Hancock is paraded about like a saint rather than being thrown in jail like the criminal he is. I wonder who's next to benefit from the public purse to pay for this new 'service'
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23/02/2021 13:55:33 16 12
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stay at home ?
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23/02/2021 13:58:42 8 15
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What? Permanently? Or just until 2023 when we get the first real data on the hidden harms of a slew of rushed vaccines? Or 2033 when we get the first legal acknowledgements of culpability in claims for medical damage?
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23/02/2021 13:58:42 5 12
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No complexity and no doubt. Mandatory vaccination for everyone in the country. No employment or benefits without a vaccination. Vaccination certificates to enter or leave the country. Simple.

No one had a problem with Smallpox vaccination scars in the past. They were a badge worn with pride on the upper arm. At least the Covid jab leaves no marks.

Individual rights have no place in a pandemic.
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23/02/2021 14:01:58 3 1
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And what time do you propose we have our two minutes hate against those who dont wish to inject themselves with experimental medicines? You are an old fool. Keep it to yourself.
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23/02/2021 14:02:23 3 0
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Why do you think you have the right to control what I put into my body?

I am not anti-vax by any stretch but I do support the right to choose.
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23/02/2021 14:04:01 2 1
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I kind of agreed until your crazy statement on 'individual rights have no place in a pandemic'. Individual rights have every place at all times. As soon as those start to be eroded you're on a path towards totalitarianism. However, it does feel like there should be some disadvantage from refusing a vaccine and relying on everyone else.
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23/02/2021 14:05:38 2 0
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As I posted earlier what about people who have a severe adverse reaction to vaccinations. Demand they risk serious illness or some exemption for genuine cases? Perhaps you would be kind enough to comment on that.
It is far from simple. Only someone who has not thought the issue through would make such a silly comment.
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23/02/2021 14:06:54 1 0
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Don't want to be rude so better stop here.
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23/02/2021 13:57:10 24 22
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Papers for this, papers for that. With each one you surrender a little more of your liberty.

What determines which papers you have to carry and show? Where do the enthusiasts for this imposition draw the line? What happens when the line is drawn a little closer than they anticipate?
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23/02/2021 13:58:57 9 12
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Just need the uniform and the plan is complete "Papiere, bitte!"
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23/02/2021 13:57:03 310 93
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I will have the vaccine, and I am in no way supportive of the anti vax view.

However, in my opinion the principle of an individuals liberty trumps the enforcement of vaccination.

Education is the key here and get as many people to take the jab on their own free will.

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23/02/2021 13:58:58 112 17
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Carrot or stick?

The carrot is far more suited to a modern civil sociey, one that that I would want to be part of.

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23/02/2021 14:15:54 9 11
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Presumably you're in favour of scrapping the police force too - sticks don't work right?
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23/02/2021 14:28:27 10 1
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Surely the vaccine passport, to allow overseas travel to countries that insist on one is a carrot
as
23/02/2021 15:42:58 6 0
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Sadly it would appear a lot of donkeys don't like carrots!
23/02/2021 16:59:15 0 0
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The stick should have been used sooner & far more often on those breaking Covid restrictions, as some people can't be educated or encouraged.
23/02/2021 17:46:14 0 0
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The carrot is getting in the pub, there is no stick.
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23/02/2021 13:52:53 37 38
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Don't see an issue at all. People who are medically exempt from the vaccine should have a card saying as such and allowed entry. Vaccination cards should be part and parcel of life moving forward. No different to showing your drivers licence to prove that you over age to drink at a pub.
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RAB
23/02/2021 13:58:58 12 11
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What if you don’t want an experimental medicine, which it is, whether you like it or not? What about older teenagers, soon to be adults? It hasn’t been tested on children, no data on long term effects on fertility for example?
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23/02/2021 14:03:11 6 11
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There was also no data on compatibility with other medicines, or on people with existing conditions. The testing was abrupt, limited, and far from conclusive to anyone that read the actual publications rather than the tabloid distortions and oversimplifications. The data for efficacy was even heavily disputed in private from the published data.
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Sam
23/02/2021 14:20:21 3 0
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Your choice.
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23/02/2021 14:27:05 2 0
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All medicines are 'experimental' until there is sufficient real world data. Even then it is unknown how any specific individual will react to any specific medicine.
Yes with the CoViD19 vaccines the entire world has just signed up for the biggest long-term clinical trial in history. However, this does mean that if side effects are seen, it is likely to be easier to attribute and get compensation.
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23/02/2021 13:59:05 10 13
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I have no problem with this, AFTER every person has been offered the vaccine. You can’t bring in vaccine travel passports before you’ve offered the vaccine to everyone. How unfair would that be? Over 60’s can go to Greece on their hollibobs this summer, but tough luck to younger people? Sod that.
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23/02/2021 14:04:15 2 8
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Especially as the young have been out there working while the over 60s have spent the last year sitting at home complaining, reading the Daily Mail after voting in a referendum to make us all poorer.

Why do they get to go on holiday while we are caged on this island?
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23/02/2021 13:57:10 24 22
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Papers for this, papers for that. With each one you surrender a little more of your liberty.

What determines which papers you have to carry and show? Where do the enthusiasts for this imposition draw the line? What happens when the line is drawn a little closer than they anticipate?
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23/02/2021 13:59:05 4 6
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I have a right to know others aren't infected so I can live with greater freedom ... why do you say I am not allowed to have this ?
209
23/02/2021 14:07:03 5 3
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Because you don't have the right to personal information about others!
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Gaz
23/02/2021 13:59:05 1 8
bbc
Surely it would be easier just to mandate a vaccine rather than have every venue checking millions of ‘passports’ every day forever. You could do it in a way where you can formally opt out as long as you give your reason.
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23/02/2021 14:01:37 1 1
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don't be ridiculous. This isn't North Korea. Yet
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23/02/2021 13:54:28 508 259
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I accept we might need vaccine passports to travel to other countries. It is not up to us or the UK.

I also accept that some people may be required to have a vaccine in order to do certain healthcare jobs - they do now anyway.

I do NOT think we should have vaccine passports in general in the UK. It goes all against our libertarian values. Its not how we do things.
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23/02/2021 13:59:05 45 30
bbc
Putting one another's lives at risk is also considered a core principle
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Ads
23/02/2021 13:59:07 10 5
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Yes there are a lot of "ethical issues" to consider. I can't accept that this is even a suggestion worthy of consideration by a Government!
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23/02/2021 13:59:09 32 10
bbc
Is it just me? Why is it that (so called?) brainier people seem incapable of actually living in the real world? This nonsense would last about a week (& that's optimistic). Vested interest would dictate that you could probably wave a bus ticket in the direction of (inexperienced & bored?) staff who're supposed to be checking. A godsend to fraudsters, the meagre minded, & the officious?
65
23/02/2021 13:59:14 5 9
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I think a vaccine passport is a great idea, and surely it would make people want the vaccine
101
23/02/2021 14:01:23 1 2
bbc
What about people who can't have it who are allergic to its ingredients? What happens to them?
139
23/02/2021 14:03:39 1 0
bbc
Thank goodness for the gullible! Maybe we could brand people on the forehead when they've had the jab? That'd certainly put paid to obvious "passport" forgeries that would abound, eh?
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23/02/2021 14:05:38 3 0
bbc
I and my family have worked throughout this pandemic without a vaccine. To now punish us for not having it is barmy. My wife has had hers as she is a nurse. I do not want to be forced into having one by threats of being barred from doing anything if I don't comply. What then happens when next September comes and we have to have a new updated vaccine. All vaccine passports will be out of date.
718
23/02/2021 14:32:45 3 1
bbc
Nope. It makes me want to resist it even more. Whatever the consequences, I refuse to be coerced by a dictatorial government
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23/02/2021 13:54:28 508 259
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I accept we might need vaccine passports to travel to other countries. It is not up to us or the UK.

I also accept that some people may be required to have a vaccine in order to do certain healthcare jobs - they do now anyway.

I do NOT think we should have vaccine passports in general in the UK. It goes all against our libertarian values. Its not how we do things.
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23/02/2021 13:59:16 54 154
bbc
Vaccine passports basically mean that the retired, who have spent the last year sitting at home complaining, reading the Daily Mail after voting in a referendum to make us all poorer get to go on holiday.

Meanwhile the young, who've been working on the front line as health staff, teachers, police, army, retail, hospitality and transport workers all have to stay caged on this island.

Sound fair?
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23/02/2021 14:07:19 13 81
bbc
I agree, the retired and those that can work from home should be at the back of the vaccine queue
237
23/02/2021 14:08:19 51 9
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Are you going to copy and paste this indefinitely? Enough of the divisive hate tactics please, comrade.
386
23/02/2021 14:16:05 9 3
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Yes it does sound fair.
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23/02/2021 14:29:13 0 0
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A repeater?
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Sam
23/02/2021 14:29:15 8 1
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That doesn't make sense as there is a target for all adults to be vaccinated by the summerish.
685
23/02/2021 14:31:42 1 0
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lol. Triggered much fam?
862
23/02/2021 14:40:05 2 0
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Bitter and twisted comment.
67
23/02/2021 13:59:17 6 9
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Boris is going to fall over if he keeps U Turning at this speed.
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KS
23/02/2021 13:51:32 13 2
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Another opportunity for fraudsters no doubt.
688
23/02/2021 14:31:46 2 3
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I take it you mean Boris's rich mates who will no doubt get the contract?
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23/02/2021 13:52:50 10 11
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No passport no entry simplel
129
23/02/2021 14:03:01 8 3
bbc
simple perhaps in the puerile world which you inhabit perhaps
669
23/02/2021 14:30:57 0 0
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Simplel indeed
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mc
23/02/2021 13:55:41 18 14
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this must not be allowed at all costs , it defeats what we stand for, freedom and also discriminates but jihnson is a dictator and bully and cares little for the people
103
23/02/2021 14:01:36 12 15
bbc
What about our freedom not to be exposed to the germs of those who are too selfish to be vaccinated?
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23/02/2021 13:55:56 3 9
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Gathering in one place when everyones had the vaccine will just increase likely hood of new mutated strains
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TD
23/02/2021 14:07:33 1 0
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That is simply not true, vaccines are not the same as antibiotics where a bacterium may evolve to counter. Virus mutations may occur following infection regardless of any vaccines applied. Boasting the immune system to beat an infection quickly is actually the best defense against mutations. For example if the vaccines go on to be proved to reduce transmission then that is the ideal outcome.
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Me
23/02/2021 13:54:42 802 113
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You might not like them, but if it’s likely that other countries will demand evidence of a vaccine, and you want to go abroad on holiday, you’ll need one.
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23/02/2021 13:56:23 28 9
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They are more likely to require covid tests
162
23/02/2021 14:05:10 6 2
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Huh?
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23/02/2021 13:54:21 15 26
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Treat people lkike children, they'll behave accordingly. I wonder what % of the population BoJo thinks is currently following their childish rules ['golf in Scotland, not in England']? Be careful, BoJo, we are reaching the point where we will ignore you, you will become irrelevant....
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23/02/2021 13:59:42 7 1
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and you'll be £10k light
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I accept we might need vaccine passports to travel to other countries. It is not up to us or the UK.

I also accept that some people may be required to have a vaccine in order to do certain healthcare jobs - they do now anyway.

I do NOT think we should have vaccine passports in general in the UK. It goes all against our libertarian values. Its not how we do things.
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23/02/2021 13:59:44 16 22
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Sadly it is such views that have led to many not doing the right thing where this rampant virus is concerned, with nothing to hide sadly we live in an age where a camera on every corner would be a bonus for liberty is seen mainly as a benefit to the criminal element
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23/02/2021 13:59:53 8 6
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Anti vacs people - you have the freedom not to have the jab - but that will mean you shouldn't have the freedom to move among the rest of us spreading your viruses. Same goes for those that won't carry proof of vaccinations - it will be like proof of age etc..
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23/02/2021 14:03:33 4 3
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Not having the jab doesn't make you ill with Corona. I bet you jump in the road to avoid humans!
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But if you've had your vaccine then what's your problem with that?
Unless of course the vaccine doesn't work.
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It will be like a East European Ghetto of the early 1940s....I have no issue with vax or passport certs for international travel - but to think of like an ID card to access the pub/theatre etc is way to far.. this is just a sop to people like you so we have review and then bury it as an idea in about 6 weeks time...
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Treat people lkike children, they'll behave accordingly. I wonder what % of the population BoJo thinks is currently following their childish rules ['golf in Scotland, not in England']? Be careful, BoJo, we are reaching the point where we will ignore you, you will become irrelevant....
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23/02/2021 13:59:59 3 1
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As irrelevant as you and your selfish ideas and outlook on life?
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23/02/2021 13:55:23 23 8
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Was referring to domestic, for realistically in a few years time when Covid is nothing but a memory will a shop, cinema or employer demand a ‘vaccine passport’?

Don’t think so.
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23/02/2021 14:00:04 18 6
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"when Covid is nothing but a memory"

All the science suggests this will never happen. It'll be with us permanently, like the flu
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23/02/2021 14:02:21 27 7
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Why isn't their a Flu passport then?
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23/02/2021 14:03:17 17 0
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Absolutely, just as Whitty mentioned yesterday, do you need a ‘vaccine passport’ for flu – of course not.
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23/02/2021 14:35:33 3 4
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Spanish flu was infinitely more deadly, and that disappeared completely within a couple of years. If by "all science" you mean SAGE, they seem to have some very odd opinions indeed.
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23/02/2021 13:56:36 8 15
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Other countries will do it and if it protects so why don't we do it, snowflake society.
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23/02/2021 14:00:04 0 2
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Who says others will do it. Which others and would you want to visit them?
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23/02/2021 14:00:05 14 11
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If vaccine passports are introduced I will be refusing the vaccine. I don’t require a license for my freedom nor does the government own my body.

I don’t share my personal information (name/DOB etc) and this is no different.

Cutting my nose off to spite my face but won’t compromise my morals.
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23/02/2021 14:15:59 4 5
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Don't look very moral to me, to say such a move will mean you will refuse the opportunity to protect both yourself and those around you appears a somewhat disjointed view on life
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23/02/2021 14:21:42 0 0
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*cries in liberal*
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23/02/2021 14:26:29 2 0
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'I don’t share my personal information (name/DOB etc) and this is no different' - so you don't have a passport, are not registered at a doctors and do not have a bank account or any utilities etc etc? Many organisations will already have this information, including the government. Why is this any different?
23/02/2021 15:22:11 0 0
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Yes you do unless you live in a cardboard box and have no job and don't pay tax or NI. If that is the case you won't be offered the jab because you won't be listed anywhere....oh hang on, you have access to the net.....under a false name?
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23/02/2021 14:00:05 13 9
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What's wrong with a vaccine passport,how else can I prove that I have had mine,or is the minority going to rule the majority yet again.Grow a backbone Boris,and get it done.
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23/02/2021 14:04:05 4 2
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Why do you feel the need to prove to anyone you have had a vaccine. I’m no anti Vaxxer and will be happy to get one. But I will never show some gorilla at the door of theatre a piece of paper before he lets me in.
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Please explain those big words with empty meaning in this case. Our individual actions affect everyone else.
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23/02/2021 14:00:06 39 21
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It's unethical and immoral to force someone to have a medial treatment against their will (else tell them they will be excluded from society). It's unnecessary as the take up is so good that we will achieve immunity in any event (as best can be done - never 100% successful).
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23/02/2021 14:11:03 38 28
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No-one is being forced to have a vaccine against their will. There is nothing unethical to say that if you want to mix in public venues then you must take reasonable steps to protect others. It is no more than unethical than needing a certificate to say your card is roadworthy and not a danger to others before you can take it on the road.
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23/02/2021 14:00:11 31 27
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Why would a 25 yo healthy citzen need a jab of all the vunerable are vaxxed?
Its like giving the whole uk a flu jab every year ! Lucrative for the pharmas. Terrible for the natural immune systems to get stronger through guture generations.
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23/02/2021 14:06:03 24 11
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Because a 25yo could catch it (and possibly become ill with it) and pass it to someone who is vulnerable, who has had a vaccine but for whom the vaccine isn't effective.
Also don't talk drivel about allowing natural immune systems to get stronger, that's not how it works.
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23/02/2021 14:12:43 3 4
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one of the more sensible comments
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Bob
23/02/2021 14:24:18 3 0
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Because the vaccines are not 100% effective. And the more people who don't get the jab the more chance they will infect people who remain vulnerable.

The vaccine will likely be a yearly affair for a few years to come until all those vulnerable have died off in a low, manageable and non-alarmist way.
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23/02/2021 14:29:32 5 0
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You clearly have complete disregard for the long term suffering people can endure as a result of covid or the vulnerability of humans if the virus is allowed to survive in an unvaccinated environment.
23/02/2021 15:11:19 0 0
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Why would a 25 year old not want to do everything possible to protect their parents and grandparents or anyone else in their family who might have health issues?

Or your friends and their families?

You prove just how much me me me is prevalent in your generation.
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23/02/2021 14:00:15 15 10
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Amazing. Only a week ago the government weren't even considering this, now they're going to review it?

Lesson learned; whenever these lying sacks say they're not considering something, you can guarantee they are!

It's coercion plain and simple. Mandatory through the back door. Disgusting, absolutely disgusting.
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23/02/2021 14:32:23 2 2
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Oh shut up, the Govt might not have any choice as other countries are implementing it, it's either that or nobody goes anywhere outside the UK for a holiday.

I hope they bring it in domestically as well just so we can see the floods of tears from people like you and all the anti vax brigade.
23/02/2021 14:52:54 0 0
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considering it to allow you to go on holiday
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23/02/2021 13:58:12 5 8
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Meanwhile, try not to mention pink triangles or yellow stars.
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23/02/2021 14:00:19 2 1
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Not the same ... and you know it.

This virus kills without discrimination ...
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23/02/2021 13:58:12 5 8
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Meanwhile, try not to mention pink triangles or yellow stars.
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23/02/2021 14:00:24 0 0
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Hmm! You might need to elaborate on that for some!
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I accept we might need vaccine passports to travel to other countries. It is not up to us or the UK.

I also accept that some people may be required to have a vaccine in order to do certain healthcare jobs - they do now anyway.

I do NOT think we should have vaccine passports in general in the UK. It goes all against our libertarian values. Its not how we do things.
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23/02/2021 14:00:24 58 24
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Who says we have libertarian values?

Just give one example of a time in British history when we have valued individual freedoms above the greater societal good.
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23/02/2021 14:19:56 9 31
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This is a cold, it will become part of the cold group of coronaviruses, you think the greater good is to kill off society?
You are beyond deluded.
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23/02/2021 14:21:48 3 9
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WWII was about society's individual freedoms.
A 'Christian' country went to war with another 'Christian' country for the freedom of Jewish people to remain Jewish, and for other peoples to regain their individual freedoms.
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23/02/2021 14:36:29 2 2
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The adoption and updating of the Human rights act in 1998 which replaced similar UK law. All Articles therin protect your individual freedoms, from a fair trial to freedom from individual persecution etc. You should read them when you have time and understand the core premise.

Next question?
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23/02/2021 13:53:16 27 35
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Just in case anyone is in any doubt. We do still live in a free country. You don’t actually need government permission to hug your loved ones. If you think you do then I feel very very sorry for you ....
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23/02/2021 14:00:30 4 4
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The perfect example of why we need Draconian rules until we are safe.
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23/02/2021 14:20:29 4 5
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You won’t be safe. Everything carries a risk. Everything. And you will die at some point. What do you want to do? Wrap up in cotton wool and never experience anything? Carry on mate, I’m enjoying myself while I’m here.
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23/02/2021 14:00:34 6 7
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So 2 weeks ago we weren't doing vaccine passports.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55970801

Now there'll be a review.

Personally I think vaccine passports will be necessary (I always did) but it doesn't engender a lot of confidence that anyone in Govt knows what they're doing!
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23/02/2021 14:04:14 2 3
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It’s only taken you this long to work out the government don’t know what they’re doing?
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23/02/2021 14:20:16 1 0
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They know exactly what they are doing; all is going to plan.
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23/02/2021 14:27:08 0 0
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They'll have no choice if lots of other countries demand them for entry otherwise the only holiday destination might be N Korea.
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23/02/2021 14:00:37 3 4
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Only when everyone has had a chance to get the vaccination. Those who medically cannot should be exempt. That'll just leave those who refuse to get vaccinations.
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23/02/2021 14:03:33 0 2
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everyone should have all the vaccines there on the market
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23/02/2021 13:56:57 7 6
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Maybe it's time to start excluding those who refuse a vaccination from death statistics too? Or charge them for NHS treatment if they get Covid? Depends where we want to go as a society I suppose. Although as someone who will happily get vaccinated it is annoying to think that those that don't will prolong the lock down for all while befitting from those who do the socially responsible thing.
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23/02/2021 14:02:02 5 2
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Should we charge fat people for their diabetes treatment too?
Desktop hitler... Why would you restrict someones life who doesnt need the vax ! Did everyone have the flu jab ?
98% of under 60s are fine..
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23/02/2021 14:07:42 5 0
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I guess the same rules apply in your world to obese folk, people with heart conditions, smokers type to diabetes etc.
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23/02/2021 14:11:44 2 2
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so lets charge the alcaholics for treatment and the smokers who get lung cancer and the obese who need help such a stupid comment
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23/02/2021 14:19:11 0 0
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The anti-vax people have already paid for the NHS via NI contributions. Are you proposing they charge obese people or smokers too who cost the NHS millions of pounds per year in treatment.
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I accept we might need vaccine passports to travel to other countries. It is not up to us or the UK.

I also accept that some people may be required to have a vaccine in order to do certain healthcare jobs - they do now anyway.

I do NOT think we should have vaccine passports in general in the UK. It goes all against our libertarian values. Its not how we do things.
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23/02/2021 13:57:01 24 40
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i hope they apply same rules to Flu and MMR vaccine
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Sam
23/02/2021 14:29:40 1 0
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Why?
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23/02/2021 13:54:26 60 49
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Yep...just do it.

There are no ethics and other snowflake issues associated with travel passport drivers licence etc.

Freedom of each individual not to vaccinate is fine but don't expect the freedom of everybody else to be curtailed or compromised to accommodate this.

Get on with it.
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Yep...just do it.

There are no ethics and other snowflake issues associated with travel passport drivers licence etc.

Freedom of each individual not to vaccinate is fine but don't expect the freedom of everybody else to be curtailed or compromised to accommodate this.

Get on with it.
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23/02/2021 13:57:40 2 1
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everyone should be tested for covid
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23/02/2021 13:52:53 37 38
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Don't see an issue at all. People who are medically exempt from the vaccine should have a card saying as such and allowed entry. Vaccination cards should be part and parcel of life moving forward. No different to showing your drivers licence to prove that you over age to drink at a pub.
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23/02/2021 13:58:20 7 6
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I think they should also show they have had the flu vaccine too
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Sam
23/02/2021 14:20:33 1 1
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Why?
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23/02/2021 13:51:50 147 71
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Once those who need to be vaccinated and hospital numbers have come down, any insistence within society of so-called ‘vaccine passports’ will quickly become meaningless and readily ignored.
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23/02/2021 13:58:55 1 6
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it will be flu vaccine requirement too
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23/02/2021 14:00:46 4 4
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I'm sure the anti vaccers will be supporting this and will be proud to carry a passport which shows they've not been vaccinated.
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23/02/2021 14:03:09 2 0
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Offering them a travel radius of about twenty metres from home.
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23/02/2021 14:02:31 0 1
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passport should give Amazon vouchers to people who have the most vaccines
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23/02/2021 14:00:49 5 8
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Vaccine passports and Vaccine certificates - Yes please.

However unless you want to supply me with a smart telephone and a mobile connection then please, please, please don't just do it via an APP but provide a way for me to access the passport and/or certificate in other ways.
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23/02/2021 13:54:43 5 4
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No approach should be irreversible, you proceed according to the conditions at the time - is he saying that if one of the variants starts to spread rapidly that we carry on anyway.
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23/02/2021 14:00:57 3 2
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I think if you watched the briefing yesterday, you'll have seen that a rapidly spreading variant is a condition to slow the opening up.
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23/02/2021 14:01:16 3 0
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It’s not if but when they are implemented, if you want to travel abroad then you will need one, otherwise you won’t be allowed entry, it’s really that simple
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23/02/2021 14:04:06 3 2
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Are you really wishing to give up all your freedoms? What next a travel ban because you have a certain medical condition or mental health issue.
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23/02/2021 14:10:05 0 1
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glad i have no desire to go to a foreign country
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Meanwhile, try not to mention pink triangles or yellow stars.
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23/02/2021 14:01:17 1 0
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Really? You think that it's reasonable to equate this with the Nazis treatment of homosexuals and jews? Unbelievable !