Covid-19: Businesses 'throwing in towel' over uncertainty
23/02/2021 | news | politics | 253
Labour says the Budget must extend the VAT cut, furlough and the business rates holiday.
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23/02/2021 14:46:51 29 18
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Labour says...

As if they know.
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23/02/2021 14:53:56 24 17
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just spend more says daffy dodds
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23/02/2021 14:51:18 42 16
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So, having weathered the last year, and with the prospect of things opening up now a reality, this is the time that surviving businesses have chosen to give up?
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23/02/2021 15:11:19 48 24
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According to the Shadow Labour Chancellor. yes.

The depth of talent on the opposition benches is amazing.
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23/02/2021 15:19:48 9 14
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How many businesses have you run? Waits for another HYS self-made billionaire story.

It's going to be another 3 months at least before these businesses can reopen and so Dodds is right in campaigning for more business support. Why do you think she's wrong?!
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23/02/2021 15:48:06 3 0
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With increased borrowings, opening up can be likened to expansion, a very volatile time for a business even under normal circumstances. With more expenditure/additional funding needed, if even available, opening up may be a step too far for many. A lot's changed over the last 12 months, confidence is shattered, giving up is an option not even dreamt of by many of us this time last year.
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24/02/2021 07:51:15 1 0
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Given their lack of. income for so long,( Amazon excepted), it is surprising they have lasted so long.
Landlords being the other exception.
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23/02/2021 14:46:51 29 18
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Labour says...

As if they know.
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23/02/2021 14:53:56 24 17
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just spend more says daffy dodds
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23/02/2021 15:12:54 5 0
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aw poppet !!
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23/02/2021 15:35:37 4 3
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Given how many billions have been spent (some given to their mates) a few more to keep genuine businesses afloat seems quite reasonable, especially when the government has been printing money.
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23/02/2021 14:49:28 34 24
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Labour say give it all away, only a year or so ago you had labour/Corbyn saying tax em till they squill

What you want to hear, hindsight boy Starmer will say it, most hysterical is Dodge or is it Dobby or whatever the strange little thing that’s the labour shadow chancellor is called, she does make me laugh.

Labour give it all way, then leave IOU note saying sorry money all gone on sweets
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23/02/2021 15:08:37 31 24
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Just to balance this out, please let us know how many £Bn has been 'given away' on defective PPE at inflated prices, mis-use of furlough with no recourse to get it back, failed track and trace, etc etc. This Govt is not squeaky clean despite your efforts to paint them that way.
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23/02/2021 15:24:38 5 6
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Labour in 1997 inherited a debt of 42% of GDP. Before the global banking crises in 2008, the debt had fallen to 35%. Labour inherited a deficit of 3.9% of GDP & by 2008 it had fallen to 2.1%. ONS

“Pre -crisis, UK government spending was at around 40% of national income. This level was not particularly high, either by the UK’s own historical standards or by international standards.” IFS
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23/02/2021 15:26:44 3 2
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"The Tory MP (John Redwood) said he has “not been worried about the deficit for some time”, because the Labour government of Gordon Brown and subsequent Conservative governments have been able to “print money to pay their bills"."
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23/02/2021 15:33:16 6 6
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As you got quite a bit of misinformation in under your comment here's another one of your myths bashed:

Labour were imitating something the Tories started, Reginald Maudling, in 1964, said “Sorry to leave it in such a mess, old cock.”

Apparently, Churchill started what became a running joke until the Tories, under Cameron, played dirty!

Dodds' economic knowledge outweighs yours by degrees!
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23/02/2021 19:37:10 2 2
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Piffle
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23/02/2021 15:00:28 9 13
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"Too little; to late; not enough".
Select whichever applies, after the event.

Saved Kier Starmer a job there.
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23/02/2021 15:02:20 21 8
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Lots of people are struggling, and this appears to be an odd example to use. Whilst the couple are understandably cash poor currently, it is clear they are asset rich.

Help should be most targeted at those who truly need it first.
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23/02/2021 15:47:14 12 6
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If they sell their asset then they won't have a business to run. Duh.
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23/02/2021 14:49:28 34 24
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Labour say give it all away, only a year or so ago you had labour/Corbyn saying tax em till they squill

What you want to hear, hindsight boy Starmer will say it, most hysterical is Dodge or is it Dobby or whatever the strange little thing that’s the labour shadow chancellor is called, she does make me laugh.

Labour give it all way, then leave IOU note saying sorry money all gone on sweets
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23/02/2021 15:08:37 31 24
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Just to balance this out, please let us know how many £Bn has been 'given away' on defective PPE at inflated prices, mis-use of furlough with no recourse to get it back, failed track and trace, etc etc. This Govt is not squeaky clean despite your efforts to paint them that way.
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23/02/2021 15:38:54 6 6
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dont forget ferry contracts for ferry companies with no ferries and PPE contracts to pub landlords .....
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23/02/2021 18:20:48 4 3
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"failed track and trace" - you know the civil servants set that up and would have been the same civil servents who would have been under Corbyn. Do you actually think Gov ministers do anything other than attend meetings all day every day?
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23/02/2021 15:09:42 5 10
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Diverted 'against the EU' or 'against Corbyn decency' (made to believe the EU a German or Franco-German dictatorship, as bad to imagine Jeremy Corbyn a campaigner lifelong for social justice could be responsible for a new wave of antisemitism), our energies have been squandered on Brexit. Now employees and small businesses and governments face the real dictatorship, land and people owned by Money.
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23/02/2021 14:51:18 42 16
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So, having weathered the last year, and with the prospect of things opening up now a reality, this is the time that surviving businesses have chosen to give up?
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23/02/2021 15:11:19 48 24
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According to the Shadow Labour Chancellor. yes.

The depth of talent on the opposition benches is amazing.
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23/02/2021 15:20:51 1 5
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The depth of talent on HYS is mind blowing!!
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23/02/2021 15:26:57 8 12
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Dazzling, when compared to the Government benches.
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24/02/2021 09:21:40 0 1
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It is certainly far more evident on the opposition benches than on the government benches.

After all we have had the government vaccines minister this week claim that schools are going back on 8th March because that date is 3 weeks AFTER the middle of April when it is predicted that all the 9 most vulnerable groups will have had their 1st vaccination.

Yes he actually said that, twice in fact!
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23/02/2021 15:13:18 7 4
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Need to be winding in these support schemes not expanding them.

At the very least cuts should become deferrals of payments and all grants should be loans that the recipient has to repay - none of this government acting as guarantor nonsense.

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23/02/2021 15:15:07 7 3
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Every man for himself until elections eh :)
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23/02/2021 15:12:29 13 11
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If only someone could have bailed them out . . .

never mind -

“A porky a day keeps the lawyers away”

hancock
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23/02/2021 14:53:56 24 17
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just spend more says daffy dodds
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23/02/2021 15:12:54 5 0
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aw poppet !!
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23/02/2021 15:14:22 17 15
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tories can give it but seem unable to receive criticism.

You just keep backing your cheats thieves and liars ??
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23/02/2021 18:31:37 4 0
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Do you have any idea how absurd your comment is? Nobody can criticize Labour for what they have done, they havent been in power for almost a decade and half and Starmer has never been in power - he has literally done nothing, for anyone, anywhere at any point. Politics is about mud slinging, what matters is what sticks not who does or does not find fault.
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23/02/2021 15:13:18 7 4
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Need to be winding in these support schemes not expanding them.

At the very least cuts should become deferrals of payments and all grants should be loans that the recipient has to repay - none of this government acting as guarantor nonsense.

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23/02/2021 15:15:07 7 3
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Every man for himself until elections eh :)
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23/02/2021 14:51:18 42 16
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So, having weathered the last year, and with the prospect of things opening up now a reality, this is the time that surviving businesses have chosen to give up?
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23/02/2021 15:19:48 9 14
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How many businesses have you run? Waits for another HYS self-made billionaire story.

It's going to be another 3 months at least before these businesses can reopen and so Dodds is right in campaigning for more business support. Why do you think she's wrong?!
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23/02/2021 18:08:06 5 0
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4. Next question?
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23/02/2021 20:38:58 3 4
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You have never run a business yourself as it is to far-right for you.
I know companies arent supposed to discriminate against people with political views or conspiracy nuts etc, but....
What experience of working have you got?
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24/02/2021 09:23:22 0 1
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He thinks Dodds is wrong, because he's a Tory apologist who isn't interested in facts only in spouting smears and unfounded attacks on anything that highlights the failures of the Tories.
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23/02/2021 15:11:19 48 24
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According to the Shadow Labour Chancellor. yes.

The depth of talent on the opposition benches is amazing.
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23/02/2021 15:20:51 1 5
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The depth of talent on HYS is mind blowing!!
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MVS
23/02/2021 18:39:43 4 0
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Says man looking in mirror.
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23/02/2021 14:49:28 34 24
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Labour say give it all away, only a year or so ago you had labour/Corbyn saying tax em till they squill

What you want to hear, hindsight boy Starmer will say it, most hysterical is Dodge or is it Dobby or whatever the strange little thing that’s the labour shadow chancellor is called, she does make me laugh.

Labour give it all way, then leave IOU note saying sorry money all gone on sweets
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23/02/2021 15:24:38 5 6
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Labour in 1997 inherited a debt of 42% of GDP. Before the global banking crises in 2008, the debt had fallen to 35%. Labour inherited a deficit of 3.9% of GDP & by 2008 it had fallen to 2.1%. ONS

“Pre -crisis, UK government spending was at around 40% of national income. This level was not particularly high, either by the UK’s own historical standards or by international standards.” IFS
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23/02/2021 14:49:28 34 24
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Labour say give it all away, only a year or so ago you had labour/Corbyn saying tax em till they squill

What you want to hear, hindsight boy Starmer will say it, most hysterical is Dodge or is it Dobby or whatever the strange little thing that’s the labour shadow chancellor is called, she does make me laugh.

Labour give it all way, then leave IOU note saying sorry money all gone on sweets
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23/02/2021 15:26:44 3 2
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"The Tory MP (John Redwood) said he has “not been worried about the deficit for some time”, because the Labour government of Gordon Brown and subsequent Conservative governments have been able to “print money to pay their bills"."
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23/02/2021 15:11:19 48 24
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According to the Shadow Labour Chancellor. yes.

The depth of talent on the opposition benches is amazing.
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23/02/2021 15:26:57 8 12
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Dazzling, when compared to the Government benches.
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23/02/2021 15:27:06 11 7
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The problem is, while the government has vast resources , they're not vast enough.

They can't afford to provide the support that's really needed.

My business is down 70% over last 12 months. We applied for an ARG grant from local council and were given £2,250. Our business turnover is in 7 figures, how far do they think £2,250 is going to go? It's pathetic.
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23/02/2021 15:43:50 8 8
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The banks were bailed out to such a degree that over a £ TRILLION was added to the national debt.

However, nearly all of that was smoke and mirrors; most of the debt exists on paper and is owed to ourselves.

Government's with their own currencies and through their central banks can never go bust. I've explained this numerous times & have supplied the evidence, which no one ever reads.
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23/02/2021 18:28:04 3 1
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Its not pathetic, its better than zero which is what you should get. You seem to think the country owes you for the fact that you have a company and can make lots of proffit - why? You pay tax sure but only because you have to, you keep as much as you can. The country owes you nothing, you are in this for yourself, dont pretend otherwise.
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23/02/2021 15:30:29 9 12
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Dodds should throw in the towel.

Been to the City again for another apology to the bankers and dealers have we?

Phony Tony Tory Blair must be very proud.
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23/02/2021 15:37:24 10 9
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The Tory Bot Army is getting very poor recruits in.
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23/02/2021 14:49:28 34 24
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Labour say give it all away, only a year or so ago you had labour/Corbyn saying tax em till they squill

What you want to hear, hindsight boy Starmer will say it, most hysterical is Dodge or is it Dobby or whatever the strange little thing that’s the labour shadow chancellor is called, she does make me laugh.

Labour give it all way, then leave IOU note saying sorry money all gone on sweets
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23/02/2021 15:33:16 6 6
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As you got quite a bit of misinformation in under your comment here's another one of your myths bashed:

Labour were imitating something the Tories started, Reginald Maudling, in 1964, said “Sorry to leave it in such a mess, old cock.”

Apparently, Churchill started what became a running joke until the Tories, under Cameron, played dirty!

Dodds' economic knowledge outweighs yours by degrees!
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23/02/2021 15:35:32 6 8
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So I take it they had the £10,000 (per property?) at the start ( 3 years dole money)

Grants on top of that.

VAT

Business Rates

etc.

Not exactly destitute and had many £1,000's. Sums it up really.
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23/02/2021 15:48:21 6 5
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You think that's the only costs involved in running a business? Sheesh
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23/02/2021 14:53:56 24 17
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just spend more says daffy dodds
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23/02/2021 15:35:37 4 3
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Given how many billions have been spent (some given to their mates) a few more to keep genuine businesses afloat seems quite reasonable, especially when the government has been printing money.
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23/02/2021 15:35:58 3 5
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The overly cautious roadmap out of lockdown will be the final nail in the coffin of many small businesses. Furlough hasn't helped everyone who needed support and there's only so long that any business can survive without income.
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23/02/2021 15:30:29 9 12
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Dodds should throw in the towel.

Been to the City again for another apology to the bankers and dealers have we?

Phony Tony Tory Blair must be very proud.
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23/02/2021 15:37:24 10 9
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The Tory Bot Army is getting very poor recruits in.
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23/02/2021 15:08:37 31 24
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Just to balance this out, please let us know how many £Bn has been 'given away' on defective PPE at inflated prices, mis-use of furlough with no recourse to get it back, failed track and trace, etc etc. This Govt is not squeaky clean despite your efforts to paint them that way.
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23/02/2021 15:38:54 6 6
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dont forget ferry contracts for ferry companies with no ferries and PPE contracts to pub landlords .....
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23/02/2021 15:39:00 1 5
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When 'your country' lets you down, as a good worker or good business manager maybe furloughed for a while, eventually queuing for survival-benefit below any bread-line, running out of savings even of friends and family, it will not be 'the EU' or 'Labour', or even that miserable heckler Jeremy Corbyn 'failed to bounce', that 'takes back' your home and takes you in-hand: it will be Money made God.
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23/02/2021 15:42:39 20 14
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What does this ludicrous Dodds woman expect? A Corbyn money tree? The reality is that this dreadful virus will only come under control if people obey the restrictions. While a large minority screw it up, then we are stuck, whatever the government dos or doesn’t do. Businesses moaning, particularly hospitality, simply adds to the public confusion.
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23/02/2021 15:46:53 27 26
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The Tories have "borrowed" more money than any government in history and all Labour Governments combined! They spent that money (they have also spent more money than Labour ever has) on boosting the assets of the rich by £100s of £1000s, some by MILLIONS.

They gave us cuts on cuts, just look at the state of our public services e.g. police, NHS etc.

This was before CV19!!
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23/02/2021 16:42:44 1 3
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Public sector net borrowing (excluding public sector banks, PSNB ex) in the first 10 months of this financial year (April 2020 to January 2021) is estimated to have been £270.6 billion, £222.0 billion more than in the same period last year and the highest public sector borrowing in any April to January period since records began in 1993.
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Looks like the 'money tree' has been found already...
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23/02/2021 15:27:06 11 7
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The problem is, while the government has vast resources , they're not vast enough.

They can't afford to provide the support that's really needed.

My business is down 70% over last 12 months. We applied for an ARG grant from local council and were given £2,250. Our business turnover is in 7 figures, how far do they think £2,250 is going to go? It's pathetic.
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23/02/2021 15:43:50 8 8
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The banks were bailed out to such a degree that over a £ TRILLION was added to the national debt.

However, nearly all of that was smoke and mirrors; most of the debt exists on paper and is owed to ourselves.

Government's with their own currencies and through their central banks can never go bust. I've explained this numerous times & have supplied the evidence, which no one ever reads.
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23/02/2021 19:45:23 2 2
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Well said.
It never ceases to amaze me that the body politic believes they make money and create wealth.
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23/02/2021 21:12:30 2 0
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No - we were ALL bailed out when the Labour Gov supported the bank's cashflow, since then it has all been repaid with interest.
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23/02/2021 22:27:19 0 0
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Focus one interesting fact. Companies going into admistrsttion in 2020 were 40% down on 2019. The 2008 support largely worked. This time we have supported many companies that should have failed without Covid let alone with it. We have wasters billions on fruitless support. The support after the crash worked.
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23/02/2021 15:42:39 20 14
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What does this ludicrous Dodds woman expect? A Corbyn money tree? The reality is that this dreadful virus will only come under control if people obey the restrictions. While a large minority screw it up, then we are stuck, whatever the government dos or doesn’t do. Businesses moaning, particularly hospitality, simply adds to the public confusion.
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23/02/2021 15:46:53 27 26
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The Tories have "borrowed" more money than any government in history and all Labour Governments combined! They spent that money (they have also spent more money than Labour ever has) on boosting the assets of the rich by £100s of £1000s, some by MILLIONS.

They gave us cuts on cuts, just look at the state of our public services e.g. police, NHS etc.

This was before CV19!!
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23/02/2021 16:40:05 1 3
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Welcome to Tory socialism
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23/02/2021 16:56:42 1 4
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"boosting the assets of the rich by £100s of £1000s, some by MILLIONS".......and where do you get this information? Post something that backs that up please
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23/02/2021 18:34:47 4 2
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Love the fact you think the rich are only rich because of Boris, you know the top 10 percent of earners in the UK pay 90% of the tax right? The country is already freeloading off the rich, but you see that as the rich getting richer. Amusingly anyone who has less than you also thinks you should pay more, I think you should pay more too, just because... still want to vote Labour?
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23/02/2021 21:09:34 1 1
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They inherited a huge deficit from Labour and it has taken a decade to get that under control. Right wingers in the US said the same about Obama when he inherited a huge deficit from Bush.
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23/02/2021 21:10:51 0 0
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The Tories should utilise widespread off balance sheet borrowing to fund the NHS...
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23/02/2021 15:02:20 21 8
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Lots of people are struggling, and this appears to be an odd example to use. Whilst the couple are understandably cash poor currently, it is clear they are asset rich.

Help should be most targeted at those who truly need it first.
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23/02/2021 15:47:14 12 6
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If they sell their asset then they won't have a business to run. Duh.
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23/02/2021 18:19:05 3 1
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And thats a problem for the taxpayer because? Whoever buys it is then the business owner and the person we, by your logic, we should support. I care about the employees not the buisness owners, they can all sell up as far as im concerend, someone will use the oppertunity to open a buisness post COVID - the world will continue turning, just without them.
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23/02/2021 19:38:23 2 0
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No but they won't be destitute either.
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23/02/2021 15:47:52 10 11
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What did the UK Prime Minister say about businesses ? No wonder Sir Dyson has gone to Singapore.
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24/02/2021 08:21:12 1 0
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And others to Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Madrid, France,
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23/02/2021 14:51:18 42 16
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So, having weathered the last year, and with the prospect of things opening up now a reality, this is the time that surviving businesses have chosen to give up?
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23/02/2021 15:48:06 3 0
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With increased borrowings, opening up can be likened to expansion, a very volatile time for a business even under normal circumstances. With more expenditure/additional funding needed, if even available, opening up may be a step too far for many. A lot's changed over the last 12 months, confidence is shattered, giving up is an option not even dreamt of by many of us this time last year.
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23/02/2021 15:35:32 6 8
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So I take it they had the £10,000 (per property?) at the start ( 3 years dole money)

Grants on top of that.

VAT

Business Rates

etc.

Not exactly destitute and had many £1,000's. Sums it up really.
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23/02/2021 15:48:21 6 5
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You think that's the only costs involved in running a business? Sheesh
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23/02/2021 15:50:24 0 4
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Imagine, half-way through a pandemic or world-war, our government announcing 'we're running-out of ration-cards', so time to choose who starves (our credit now running-out in Zurich or wherever else 'our capital' finds its caring home)! LUCKY for us a pandemic, not just a local epidemic, our masters having the 'necessary decency' to see recovery on the way BEFORE demanding those 'pounds of flesh'.
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PH
23/02/2021 15:50:35 9 9
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Stayed in a hotel in Devon last October. Booked before the VAT cut. They quoted a price at 20% VAT with a note that if the VAT rate was cut then the price of accommodation would be cut accordingly. Obviously didn’t expect a cut and wouldn’t pass it on at the till. Went in about how hard times were. Cut there nose off to spite their face. Won’t stay there again and we were regulars!
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23/02/2021 16:13:37 5 5
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I have to agree with a week to go until 'The Budget' I assume Rishi already has his policy ideas locked in & ready to go. Why are we therefore waiting for this arbitrary date of 3rd March for an announcement?! Just get on with it and provide some certainty already!
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kr1
23/02/2021 16:13:57 11 6
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there will always be demand therefore new businesses will spring up if others give up.
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23/02/2021 18:35:24 5 1
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You sir have a very good point.
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RDG
23/02/2021 16:16:13 12 3
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My business pays £15,000 per month in business rates, even though we are not using the buildings. Zero Government help for us.
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23/02/2021 16:23:32 17 7
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You should try being w Tory party downer, like CTM, a travel agent with Tory party links who have just been given the contract to sell covid test kits to all U.K. arrivals.

So where’s their medical experience then!
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lee
23/02/2021 16:39:45 3 1
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Not that level but same here. Get a tier 4 grant of 2k a month but have to give back 3k in business rates and employers NI and pension. Had next to no support for loss of business
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23/02/2021 18:25:49 4 2
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Oddly I have no sympathy for you, not sure why but its probably something to do with the fact that when you were doing well you kept the proffit and paid the minimum tax. You are happy to win when you are winning but expect help when you are not, seems hypocritical to me. No I dont buy the "I have employees so I am a great person" you are still in this for yourself...
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23/02/2021 16:21:50 48 5
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To the people crying out for more state aid. more grants, more free money - will you be supportive of the government when they have to put taxes up to repay this debt?. Nope. You'll be saying that the tax rises need to target anyone but them.

Given the level of debt, we'll all have tax rises - Inc tax, VAT, IHT, CGT. To anyone who has received support - please don't moan about tax rises
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23/02/2021 16:26:01 35 35
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I suspect, having all put up with 10 years of Tory austerity while watching those Tory party doners get richer by the minute, they’ll be moaning with their vote at the next election.

Bye bye boris.
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23/02/2021 19:35:52 5 9
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26 billion wasted on various PPE contracts.
There had better not be any tax rises.
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BBB
23/02/2021 20:54:03 5 0
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The trouble is if a lot of businesss fall down and employment rises there will be less to tax
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23/02/2021 20:57:11 2 0
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In reality the government know exactly who got furlough, self-employed, UC extra, business rates reduction etc and these people can readily be targeted for a 5%-10% increased taxation rate for the next 5-10 years to repay all the help and free money they have received.
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23/02/2021 21:06:32 4 3
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Tax should be on those that got furlough and business that took rates holidays etc. Instead the6 will be the takers and get away with it every time. While the government steals from the poor by inflation. Inflating away their lives. To inflate away rich people’s debts.
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RDG
23/02/2021 16:16:13 12 3
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My business pays £15,000 per month in business rates, even though we are not using the buildings. Zero Government help for us.
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23/02/2021 16:23:32 17 7
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You should try being w Tory party downer, like CTM, a travel agent with Tory party links who have just been given the contract to sell covid test kits to all U.K. arrivals.

So where’s their medical experience then!
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23/02/2021 18:22:18 3 2
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you need medical experiance to sell someone someone a box put together by another company? Next you will be asking if the royal mail postman has a medical degree.... get a grip.
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23/02/2021 21:06:12 1 3
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Evidence of these links please? Or is it just more "they've got a contract, they must be chums" line.
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23/02/2021 16:23:56 6 5
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RE: Boris' weird statement today. When young people go to the pub or a nightclub they have to produce ID at the entrance with Date of Birth such as Passport or Drivers Licence. This is not "a deep and complex issue". It has been in place for decades!
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23/02/2021 16:51:28 4 3
bbc
You've missed the point. Its not about confirmation of age, its about whether or not you've had the vaccine. A significant minority won't have due to health, religious, anti-vaccine, other, reasons who somehow need to be accommodated.
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23/02/2021 16:24:48 21 8
bbc
I do have lots of sympathy for those small business owners who have been adversely affected by the lockdown. That said, please don't forget that this is not Rishi Sunak's money or the government's money it's the taxpayers money! We're already in hock up to our ears so really sorry but the answer has got to be no. No more bailout or keep you going money..... for anyone, large or small.
47
23/02/2021 16:29:41 5 7
bbc
Costed out the size of the welfare bill if we do have we?
115
23/02/2021 19:42:17 0 0
bbc
Er...the government prints and borrows money.
Small businesses pay taxes.
It's not your money (or mine for that matter)
If it wasn't for the Govt (via the Treasury) none of us would have any money at all.
45
23/02/2021 16:25:42 8 5
bbc
Rises in corporation tax, and freezes on income tax thresholds also offer low political pain for yields to the exchequer of many billions.
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Raise CT eh. Interesting, wasn't that Jezza's policy @ the last GE? Seem to recall the Tories raised the spectre of a Venezuelan style economy coming to GB when he suggested it.

Ends justify the means I suppose...
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23/02/2021 19:51:06 3 2
bbc
Leaving CT at the same rate as in 2010 would have cleared the Deficit on its own by 2018.
Austerity was a con all along.
17,000 fewer hospital beds since looks like a sound policy doesn't it?
41
23/02/2021 16:21:50 48 5
bbc
To the people crying out for more state aid. more grants, more free money - will you be supportive of the government when they have to put taxes up to repay this debt?. Nope. You'll be saying that the tax rises need to target anyone but them.

Given the level of debt, we'll all have tax rises - Inc tax, VAT, IHT, CGT. To anyone who has received support - please don't moan about tax rises
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23/02/2021 16:26:01 35 35
bbc
I suspect, having all put up with 10 years of Tory austerity while watching those Tory party doners get richer by the minute, they’ll be moaning with their vote at the next election.

Bye bye boris.
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23/02/2021 18:17:13 11 7
bbc
Labour will have to get the money from somewhere and the top 10% of earners in the UK already pay 90% of the tax. Taxing the rich sounds great, real life is more complicated. The super rich will just leave, which then leaves the rest of us and the only solution is to tax normal people who then vote Tory. You may vote Labour despite higher tax, I doubt the rest of the country will.
144
23/02/2021 20:39:33 2 9
bbc
The problem will be though who to vote for as an alternate to Boris? I suppose the only alternate will be Farage as Labour and Lib Dem’s are unelectable.
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23/02/2021 22:15:47 1 1
bbc
I always love simplistic comments like yours. I’ll informed not researched and ultimately meaningless. To boot nothing to do with the current situation. But then you’d rather sloganise than make a meaningful comment
184
23/02/2021 23:13:53 1 2
bbc
Yawn!!!!!
193
24/02/2021 07:23:29 0 0
bbc
The trouble is unless you were targeted for austerity you will never understand what it did to the poorest in our society, if the government tried to do the same for the next 10 yrs it will be horrific for those poorest.
the simplest action would be to introduce a covid tax alongside vat, but with no loopholes for business to claim it back, everyone should pay or none should pay it is that simple
201
24/02/2021 07:47:34 0 0
bbc
Hopefully sooner.
205
RSO
24/02/2021 07:53:47 0 1
bbc
WHERES BORIS GOING.
NOWHERE, HERE FOR 2 TERMS SUNSHINE
238
24/02/2021 09:28:38 0 0
bbc
Agree with your views, but a bit worried about tory party 'doners'. Isn't turning people into kebabs a bit strong eve for tories?
44
23/02/2021 16:24:48 21 8
bbc
I do have lots of sympathy for those small business owners who have been adversely affected by the lockdown. That said, please don't forget that this is not Rishi Sunak's money or the government's money it's the taxpayers money! We're already in hock up to our ears so really sorry but the answer has got to be no. No more bailout or keep you going money..... for anyone, large or small.
47
23/02/2021 16:29:41 5 7
bbc
Costed out the size of the welfare bill if we do have we?
52
23/02/2021 16:37:50 3 2
bbc
Yes - much less than we are paying on furlough
48
23/02/2021 16:34:52 38 15
bbc
I suggest we all wait till next week when the budget review is presented ... Labour is merely grandstanding and talking up something that will be answered very soon.
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23/02/2021 18:35:06 12 3
bbc
You sir, have a good point.
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24/02/2021 09:27:41 0 1
bbc
And we all know that grandstanding and talking up things that have not happened is an activity which is supposed to be reserved entirely for the Tory party.
You will be saying that Labour don't have any policies or are not offering any alternatives next...
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lee
23/02/2021 16:35:58 10 5
bbc
I hope they extend Furlough till the summer when the vast majority have had the vaccine. If we can open on 12th April as planned we won’t have pre Covid level of trade and will take some time to build up with our clients needing to gain confidence to spend again. It makes sense to extend it till the vaccine rollout to give us a little breathing room to rebuild without redundancies
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23/02/2021 20:15:50 3 1
bbc
Furlough has to end - get them on low benefits instead and save the taxpayer. When the time is right those with all the money will invest and call on those with a pair of hands to serve coffee again as they won't earn anything in interest.
50
23/02/2021 16:36:21 10 7
bbc
This is a male cow's private parts.
A self catering cottage I was interested in for the summer has just increased overnight by £300.
I suppose that's not going to be in the inflation figures and it smacks of fleecing the end customer rather than throwing the towel in.
51
23/02/2021 16:36:44 27 7
bbc
SKS really, really needs a better Chancellor.
??

A better front bench overall would be great.
62
23/02/2021 16:49:49 0 3
bbc
Why had he got one ?
70
23/02/2021 17:09:47 4 7
bbc
I don't share Anneliese Dodd's politics, but she is a seriously bright woman. She will improve, unlike JC's front bench who generally got worse the more we saw of them.
Her MEP website was big about the LSE but didn't mention the expensive private education, followed by Oxford. That's politicians for you.
116
23/02/2021 19:44:11 2 0
bbc
A better shadow chancellor. The real job is already taken by the opposition.
140
23/02/2021 20:29:46 2 2
bbc
If I was sir Keir, I'd try and get into the Conservative party. He might get to be Prime Minister one day if he does that!
250
24/02/2021 09:56:01 0 1
bbc
It really doesn't matter how good the Labour ministers are, the Tory apologists will mount a smear campaign against them whatever. This HYS is case in point.
Dodds for instance is a highly qualified lecturer in economics with multiple papers and exceptional credentials showing she knows what she is talking about.
For comparison Sunak and Javid were investment bankers during the 2008 crash.
47
23/02/2021 16:29:41 5 7
bbc
Costed out the size of the welfare bill if we do have we?
52
23/02/2021 16:37:50 3 2
bbc
Yes - much less than we are paying on furlough
54
23/02/2021 16:39:51 0 1
bbc
Depends on how long the unemployment lasts?
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RDG
23/02/2021 16:16:13 12 3
bbc
My business pays £15,000 per month in business rates, even though we are not using the buildings. Zero Government help for us.
53
lee
23/02/2021 16:39:45 3 1
bbc
Not that level but same here. Get a tier 4 grant of 2k a month but have to give back 3k in business rates and employers NI and pension. Had next to no support for loss of business
52
23/02/2021 16:37:50 3 2
bbc
Yes - much less than we are paying on furlough
54
23/02/2021 16:39:51 0 1
bbc
Depends on how long the unemployment lasts?
59
23/02/2021 16:44:39 0 2
bbc
Yeah I'm sure the people with money will just keep it in their pockets earning interest
31
23/02/2021 15:46:53 27 26
bbc
The Tories have "borrowed" more money than any government in history and all Labour Governments combined! They spent that money (they have also spent more money than Labour ever has) on boosting the assets of the rich by £100s of £1000s, some by MILLIONS.

They gave us cuts on cuts, just look at the state of our public services e.g. police, NHS etc.

This was before CV19!!
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23/02/2021 16:40:05 1 3
bbc
Welcome to Tory socialism
63
23/02/2021 16:49:57 1 2
bbc
Maggie must be turning in her grave eh?
56
23/02/2021 16:40:24 12 10
bbc
The Govt will roll a million times how good they have been to companies and the Country. The reality is Covid 19 was a product of our abuse of the Planet and its assets so in the future we need growth intertwined with Viability not excitement based on a remake of the Past. That would need clear and viable thinking by the Tory Party can we really wait for that to happen while extinction beckons
No COVID is totally natural and is no more the planet fighting back than AIDS was god attacking gay people. A lack of control over wild animal consumption in China didnt help, but you cant blame Boris for that, or god for that matter. Removed
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23/02/2021 20:55:10 1 0
bbc
Abuse of the planet?

Even the WHO backed away from the report that claimed China was innocent in this. Espically when they found financial links between their author & China. China made a mistake, prob not intentionally, and that is a far cry from abusing the planet.
176
23/02/2021 22:21:17 0 0
bbc
Said with all the passion of those who make no real contribution to the present issues. Now is not the time to consider big issues such as extinction when people struggle to pay their mortgage or rent. Get real
29
23/02/2021 15:42:39 20 14
bbc
What does this ludicrous Dodds woman expect? A Corbyn money tree? The reality is that this dreadful virus will only come under control if people obey the restrictions. While a large minority screw it up, then we are stuck, whatever the government dos or doesn’t do. Businesses moaning, particularly hospitality, simply adds to the public confusion.
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23/02/2021 16:42:44 1 3
bbc
Public sector net borrowing (excluding public sector banks, PSNB ex) in the first 10 months of this financial year (April 2020 to January 2021) is estimated to have been £270.6 billion, £222.0 billion more than in the same period last year and the highest public sector borrowing in any April to January period since records began in 1993.
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Looks like the 'money tree' has been found already...
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23/02/2021 16:43:39 15 15
bbc
Why can't labour get the message? There IS no certainty about this virus. Another, more deadly, variant could pop up tomorrow and throw all the plans out of the window. And running up an even larger national debt is simply fuelling trouble for later (no doubt what labour are hoping for). Best solution is simply do what you're told, then the plan might work.
61
23/02/2021 16:48:37 14 12
bbc
That rather depends on who’s doing the telling.

The problem is you have an idiot in charge.
54
23/02/2021 16:39:51 0 1
bbc
Depends on how long the unemployment lasts?
59
23/02/2021 16:44:39 0 2
bbc
Yeah I'm sure the people with money will just keep it in their pockets earning interest
60
23/02/2021 16:48:36 0 0
bbc
Or find other ways to speculate with it. Currency might be good?
59
23/02/2021 16:44:39 0 2
bbc
Yeah I'm sure the people with money will just keep it in their pockets earning interest
60
23/02/2021 16:48:36 0 0
bbc
Or find other ways to speculate with it. Currency might be good?
58
23/02/2021 16:43:39 15 15
bbc
Why can't labour get the message? There IS no certainty about this virus. Another, more deadly, variant could pop up tomorrow and throw all the plans out of the window. And running up an even larger national debt is simply fuelling trouble for later (no doubt what labour are hoping for). Best solution is simply do what you're told, then the plan might work.
61
23/02/2021 16:48:37 14 12
bbc
That rather depends on who’s doing the telling.

The problem is you have an idiot in charge.
51
23/02/2021 16:36:44 27 7
bbc
SKS really, really needs a better Chancellor.
??

A better front bench overall would be great.
62
23/02/2021 16:49:49 0 3
bbc
Why had he got one ?
55
23/02/2021 16:40:05 1 3
bbc
Welcome to Tory socialism
63
23/02/2021 16:49:57 1 2
bbc
Maggie must be turning in her grave eh?
43
23/02/2021 16:23:56 6 5
bbc
RE: Boris' weird statement today. When young people go to the pub or a nightclub they have to produce ID at the entrance with Date of Birth such as Passport or Drivers Licence. This is not "a deep and complex issue". It has been in place for decades!
64
23/02/2021 16:51:28 4 3
bbc
You've missed the point. Its not about confirmation of age, its about whether or not you've had the vaccine. A significant minority won't have due to health, religious, anti-vaccine, other, reasons who somehow need to be accommodated.
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23/02/2021 22:51:13 0 0
bbc
It makes my blood boil when idiots like Felicity Doubtfire equate proving your age with the significant threats to our freedoms posed by vaccine passports. If ever a bunch of fascists wanted to do a dummy run on how to remove freedoms won over centuries by courageous people who sometimes sacrificed everything Covid has shown them the road map. Freedom is worth more than a virus
212
24/02/2021 08:17:53 0 0
bbc
Easy.
Get the vaccine, or don't be accomodated.
65
23/02/2021 16:55:37 49 22
bbc
This is all very rich coming from the party who want more lock down for longer, and typical of Labours complete an utter lack of understanding of the dire state of the country's finances following this pandemic.
There's a balancing act that's been attempted between saving lives and livelihoods...we might just get away with it under the current government...thank God Labour weren't in power
84
23/02/2021 18:11:23 22 32
bbc
So you believe that 120,000 plus deaths of this Tory Govt are a beacon of light for the Country or alternatively just sheer incompetence would be a better description
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BBB
23/02/2021 21:01:13 7 1
bbc
"Balancibg act between saving lives and livelihoods" not sure this government has got it right. Having seen the governments "attempts" I dont think any party could have done worse!
223
24/02/2021 08:55:37 2 1
bbc
That is all very dumb coming from a poster who can't understand that wanting an earlier lockdown in March and then September before the virus got out of control would have resulted in lockdown being both shorter and less damaging.
The alternative is that you do understand that but are being deliberately dishonest about it.

Which is it Dumb or Dishonest?
231
24/02/2021 09:08:44 1 1
bbc
Under the Tories the UK has one of the worst death rates and the worst economic hit in the entire world.

Yet you try and deflect that.

You pretend Labour (who implemented the recommendations of the pandemic preparedness exercise in 2008 immediately) would have handled it worse than the Tories who ignored operation cygnus in 2016, ran down the NHS and failed to act effectively at any point...
31
23/02/2021 15:46:53 27 26
bbc
The Tories have "borrowed" more money than any government in history and all Labour Governments combined! They spent that money (they have also spent more money than Labour ever has) on boosting the assets of the rich by £100s of £1000s, some by MILLIONS.

They gave us cuts on cuts, just look at the state of our public services e.g. police, NHS etc.

This was before CV19!!
66
23/02/2021 16:56:42 1 4
bbc
"boosting the assets of the rich by £100s of £1000s, some by MILLIONS".......and where do you get this information? Post something that backs that up please
71
23/02/2021 17:10:06 1 0
bbc
There's been a few articles recently on the likes of Business Insider about the financial winners and losers from the pandemic. You'd need more than the HYS word count allows to explain why certain sectors of our society will not only come out of the last 12-18 months unscathed, but will be financially even more better off. As for the rest of us...
67
23/02/2021 16:58:40 13 15
bbc
no certainty labour always spend more and more
once again daffy dodds to the rescue
86
23/02/2021 18:14:00 8 2
bbc
So you believe our present debts which have bought about by 10 years Austerity is a sign of good finance by the Tory Party
68
23/02/2021 17:04:49 22 2
bbc
As one business owner told me last April, drawing upon its cash reserves, his well-established company would survive the initial earthquake that was the first lockdown but his concern was that it would be killed by an aftershock. He's still managing to survive but for many, the money has ran out.
83
23/02/2021 18:10:46 13 0
bbc
It may sound mean but the country doesnt care about the business owner, only the overall employment medium/long term - if the company goes out of business but another entrepreneur starts a company when its possible to do so and employees the approx same number of people the country will be fine in the medium to long term. This isnt about protecting wealth, its about jobs.
69
23/02/2021 17:08:39 34 16
bbc
Many businesses are "simply throwing in the towel" because of worries over government support during the next few months, Labour said. Anneliese Dodds argued Boris Johnson's Covid recovery "roadmap" had not brought "certainty". Furlough, the business rates holiday and the VAT cut had to be extended.

Businesses do not need subsidies they need to be able to trade...that is why you are in opposition
81
23/02/2021 18:06:49 21 12
bbc
Subsidies are the same thing as turnover as far as Labour are concerned, they would run the country like a union if they could - sitting around doing very little getting paid handsomely for it. It works well so long as someone picks up the bill, though it doesnt scale well to country scale, greece is a good recent example of how that turns out.
111
23/02/2021 19:30:44 3 5
bbc
You may think they are bad but no way can they be as incompetent than this far right Government.
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24/02/2021 07:55:47 0 1
bbc
Not forgetting the " best deal ever", are you?

Definitely having a major effect; we'll quantise it properly when covid is controlled.
51
23/02/2021 16:36:44 27 7
bbc
SKS really, really needs a better Chancellor.
??

A better front bench overall would be great.
70
23/02/2021 17:09:47 4 7
bbc
I don't share Anneliese Dodd's politics, but she is a seriously bright woman. She will improve, unlike JC's front bench who generally got worse the more we saw of them.
Her MEP website was big about the LSE but didn't mention the expensive private education, followed by Oxford. That's politicians for you.
66
23/02/2021 16:56:42 1 4
bbc
"boosting the assets of the rich by £100s of £1000s, some by MILLIONS".......and where do you get this information? Post something that backs that up please
71
23/02/2021 17:10:06 1 0
bbc
There's been a few articles recently on the likes of Business Insider about the financial winners and losers from the pandemic. You'd need more than the HYS word count allows to explain why certain sectors of our society will not only come out of the last 12-18 months unscathed, but will be financially even more better off. As for the rest of us...
72
23/02/2021 17:18:31 69 16
bbc
In what way does Anneliese Dodds think the Government can offer "certainty"? On which planet is she living? The Government is doing what it can to support businesses, but it is not "god" and cannot offer "set in stone" dates for the ending of restrictions. Astounding...................
77
23/02/2021 17:58:31 47 8
bbc
It's astonishing enough that certain politicians and sectors of the media continue to give the false impression that the government should somehow have such total control over the virus as to decide exactly when there will no longer be a huge number of hospital admissions and deaths from it.

It's even more astonishing how many members of the public evidently believe it.
79
23/02/2021 18:05:11 12 5
bbc
daffy dodds to the rescue, yes right more borrowing
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BBB
23/02/2021 20:51:22 2 0
bbc
Accept they keep giving dates not situations
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PCS
24/02/2021 00:07:48 1 1
bbc
More's the pity the UK can't throw in the towel for that dysfunctional family that get's millions from UK taxpayers, I am of course referring to the House of Windsor which must have a HRH having bowel issues since a humble Earl cousin getting some jail time on a similar vein.
216
24/02/2021 08:23:17 2 1
bbc
I see that Tory party HQ has rolled out the Tory apologist phone bank early this morning.
It explains why they have been so keen to award all those contracts to friends and family. The kickbacks are needed to fund the team employed to defend the indefensible on these (and other) forums.
73
23/02/2021 17:33:38 8 7
bbc
So Labour want the government to carry on with furlough, tax cuts etc, that is fine, but then how can they moan about the amount of borrowing and national debt. You can't have both - maybe if Labour came up with a sensible plan they might win an election.
74
23/02/2021 17:35:41 12 12
bbc
Same old Labour still trying to spend everyone else’s tax payer money even when not in Gov’t. They are financially inept and this is what caused the problems for UK in 2008. Labour wrecked the UK economy and have the nerve to suggest anyone should take them seriously. Starmer is devoid of original though. And the Party’s political correctness has made them politically irrelevant.
91
23/02/2021 18:21:27 7 5
bbc
The Tories spending taxpayer's money in a way Corbyn would never have dreamed of. They re-nationalised the railways and much else which was what Corbyn always wanted.

Some people are very, very, very easily fooled.
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23/02/2021 18:33:38 2 2
bbc
What wrecked the economy was high interest rates.
127
23/02/2021 19:53:40 2 1
bbc
A greater example of simplistic drivel would be hard to find.
Even on here....
210
24/02/2021 08:11:34 1 0
bbc
Isn't that what the Tories ars doing now?
Spending future tax income?
75
23/02/2021 17:46:13 33 18
bbc
With the utterly bizarre Anneliese Dodds in the Labour front bench, Boris will be in government for decades to come!
80
23/02/2021 18:05:39 21 6
bbc
keep her in place
148
23/02/2021 20:46:59 2 1
bbc
I know I will get shot down for this....
It will hopefully give the LibDems a chance, espically if they can stop themselves shooting them selves in the foot on issues like the EU.
239
24/02/2021 09:30:22 0 1
bbc
You say that in the same week when the Conservatives vaccines minister claimed that schools were being reopened on 8th March because that is 3 weeks after the middle of April when all the at risk groups will have had their first doses of the vaccine.

Yep he actually claimed March comes after April and that was the basis of the governments decision making. Look it up, he did it on camera.
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rob
23/02/2021 17:46:44 17 1
bbc
have the companies (even 1) that have thrown in the towel been named by her
89
23/02/2021 18:19:11 9 13
bbc
There are probably too many to name. I could name you dozens and it's easy enough to look them up.
72
23/02/2021 17:18:31 69 16
bbc
In what way does Anneliese Dodds think the Government can offer "certainty"? On which planet is she living? The Government is doing what it can to support businesses, but it is not "god" and cannot offer "set in stone" dates for the ending of restrictions. Astounding...................
77
23/02/2021 17:58:31 47 8
bbc
It's astonishing enough that certain politicians and sectors of the media continue to give the false impression that the government should somehow have such total control over the virus as to decide exactly when there will no longer be a huge number of hospital admissions and deaths from it.

It's even more astonishing how many members of the public evidently believe it.
110
23/02/2021 19:29:33 8 13
bbc
You are right up to a point. But you cannot not get away from the fact that this government has preformed really badly. And are totally incompetent.
78
23/02/2021 18:04:37 3 2
bbc
"He said some landlords had been understanding, but many more had not been prepared to share the burden of the pandemic"

Wonder who those landlords think will move into a premise if the current one can't afford to pay them
72
23/02/2021 17:18:31 69 16
bbc
In what way does Anneliese Dodds think the Government can offer "certainty"? On which planet is she living? The Government is doing what it can to support businesses, but it is not "god" and cannot offer "set in stone" dates for the ending of restrictions. Astounding...................
79
23/02/2021 18:05:11 12 5
bbc
daffy dodds to the rescue, yes right more borrowing
75
23/02/2021 17:46:13 33 18
bbc
With the utterly bizarre Anneliese Dodds in the Labour front bench, Boris will be in government for decades to come!
80
23/02/2021 18:05:39 21 6
bbc
keep her in place
95
23/02/2021 18:24:13 1 6
bbc
I hope they do. And Starmer. And hopefully they restore the whip to Corbyn too....
69
23/02/2021 17:08:39 34 16
bbc
Many businesses are "simply throwing in the towel" because of worries over government support during the next few months, Labour said. Anneliese Dodds argued Boris Johnson's Covid recovery "roadmap" had not brought "certainty". Furlough, the business rates holiday and the VAT cut had to be extended.

Businesses do not need subsidies they need to be able to trade...that is why you are in opposition
81
23/02/2021 18:06:49 21 12
bbc
Subsidies are the same thing as turnover as far as Labour are concerned, they would run the country like a union if they could - sitting around doing very little getting paid handsomely for it. It works well so long as someone picks up the bill, though it doesnt scale well to country scale, greece is a good recent example of how that turns out.
94
23/02/2021 18:23:27 4 5
bbc
As is the UK, you do know how much your Government is borrowing?

So, how will it turn out? Any ideas?
158
BBB
23/02/2021 20:58:36 2 2
bbc
But this government lets firms pay low wages and then subsidises them with welfare payments so the bosses can take a bigger payout
15
23/02/2021 15:19:48 9 14
bbc
How many businesses have you run? Waits for another HYS self-made billionaire story.

It's going to be another 3 months at least before these businesses can reopen and so Dodds is right in campaigning for more business support. Why do you think she's wrong?!
82
23/02/2021 18:08:06 5 0
bbc
4. Next question?
68
23/02/2021 17:04:49 22 2
bbc
As one business owner told me last April, drawing upon its cash reserves, his well-established company would survive the initial earthquake that was the first lockdown but his concern was that it would be killed by an aftershock. He's still managing to survive but for many, the money has ran out.
83
23/02/2021 18:10:46 13 0
bbc
It may sound mean but the country doesnt care about the business owner, only the overall employment medium/long term - if the company goes out of business but another entrepreneur starts a company when its possible to do so and employees the approx same number of people the country will be fine in the medium to long term. This isnt about protecting wealth, its about jobs.
65
23/02/2021 16:55:37 49 22
bbc
This is all very rich coming from the party who want more lock down for longer, and typical of Labours complete an utter lack of understanding of the dire state of the country's finances following this pandemic.
There's a balancing act that's been attempted between saving lives and livelihoods...we might just get away with it under the current government...thank God Labour weren't in power
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23/02/2021 18:11:23 22 32
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So you believe that 120,000 plus deaths of this Tory Govt are a beacon of light for the Country or alternatively just sheer incompetence would be a better description
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23/02/2021 20:45:11 1 7
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So you saying that Boris should have ignored the science & followed Sir Kea?

When Boris didnt follow the science on the lead up to xmas it was simply not to criminalise a nation as *that* would have had a major repercussion lasting decades.
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23/02/2021 21:02:18 3 8
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So no one would have died under Labour? Wow
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23/02/2021 16:40:24 12 10
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The Govt will roll a million times how good they have been to companies and the Country. The reality is Covid 19 was a product of our abuse of the Planet and its assets so in the future we need growth intertwined with Viability not excitement based on a remake of the Past. That would need clear and viable thinking by the Tory Party can we really wait for that to happen while extinction beckons
No COVID is totally natural and is no more the planet fighting back than AIDS was god attacking gay people. A lack of control over wild animal consumption in China didnt help, but you cant blame Boris for that, or god for that matter. Removed
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23/02/2021 16:58:40 13 15
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no certainty labour always spend more and more
once again daffy dodds to the rescue
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23/02/2021 18:14:00 8 2
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So you believe our present debts which have bought about by 10 years Austerity is a sign of good finance by the Tory Party
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23/02/2021 21:23:26 0 0
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better than the daff
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24/02/2021 08:16:18 0 0
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When the economy is failing, invest, not tske money out of it.
Austerity was a disaster. Real income in 2019 was lower than 2010 for most.
And most services cut.
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23/02/2021 16:26:01 35 35
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I suspect, having all put up with 10 years of Tory austerity while watching those Tory party doners get richer by the minute, they’ll be moaning with their vote at the next election.

Bye bye boris.
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23/02/2021 18:17:13 11 7
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Labour will have to get the money from somewhere and the top 10% of earners in the UK already pay 90% of the tax. Taxing the rich sounds great, real life is more complicated. The super rich will just leave, which then leaves the rest of us and the only solution is to tax normal people who then vote Tory. You may vote Labour despite higher tax, I doubt the rest of the country will.
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23/02/2021 20:57:40 6 2
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I'll pay tax to support people who, in normal times, support themselves and take some personal responsibility or those with genuine disabilities. I won't keep paying to afford those who do not and will not contribute a certain lifestyle.
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24/02/2021 08:33:01 0 0
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The top 10% of earners pay 90% of direct taxes (but you ignore the indirect taxation that is more directed at the less well off)
direct taxes account for only 25% of all taxes, so in reality that 90% is 22.5%

As ever the Tory apologists twist the figures to fit their agenda.
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24/02/2021 08:39:22 0 0
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https://fullfact.org/economy/do-top-1-earners-pay-28-tax-burden/

Facts vs Tory misrepresentations

" Households earning the top 10% of incomes pay about 27% in total of most direct and indirect taxes, according to Office of National Statistics (ONS) data. This figure has remained roughly constant since 2009/10"

If you compare % tax paid to earnings level they actually pay less than average %
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23/02/2021 15:47:14 12 6
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If they sell their asset then they won't have a business to run. Duh.
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23/02/2021 18:19:05 3 1
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And thats a problem for the taxpayer because? Whoever buys it is then the business owner and the person we, by your logic, we should support. I care about the employees not the buisness owners, they can all sell up as far as im concerend, someone will use the oppertunity to open a buisness post COVID - the world will continue turning, just without them.
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rob
23/02/2021 17:46:44 17 1
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have the companies (even 1) that have thrown in the towel been named by her
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23/02/2021 18:19:11 9 13
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There are probably too many to name. I could name you dozens and it's easy enough to look them up.
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23/02/2021 19:49:49 4 0
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Go on then name some
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23/02/2021 20:52:52 0 1
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I know a few that are struggling but not yet given up. The micro businesses are really hard hit, with many trying keeping their business primed, but working at other things.

A lot of the lockdown is in name only, other than hospitality, hard-retail & travel
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23/02/2021 15:08:37 31 24
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Just to balance this out, please let us know how many £Bn has been 'given away' on defective PPE at inflated prices, mis-use of furlough with no recourse to get it back, failed track and trace, etc etc. This Govt is not squeaky clean despite your efforts to paint them that way.
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23/02/2021 18:20:48 4 3
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"failed track and trace" - you know the civil servants set that up and would have been the same civil servents who would have been under Corbyn. Do you actually think Gov ministers do anything other than attend meetings all day every day?
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23/02/2021 20:50:04 3 3
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No the minister do all the work, bit like a boss of a company.

Which really does beg the question if the ministers & bosses do absolutely everything why employee the grunts?
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23/02/2021 17:35:41 12 12
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Same old Labour still trying to spend everyone else’s tax payer money even when not in Gov’t. They are financially inept and this is what caused the problems for UK in 2008. Labour wrecked the UK economy and have the nerve to suggest anyone should take them seriously. Starmer is devoid of original though. And the Party’s political correctness has made them politically irrelevant.
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23/02/2021 18:21:27 7 5
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The Tories spending taxpayer's money in a way Corbyn would never have dreamed of. They re-nationalised the railways and much else which was what Corbyn always wanted.

Some people are very, very, very easily fooled.
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23/02/2021 19:59:52 1 2
bbc
Yes you are....the Labour Party have been fooling the working class for decades. Did nothing when in power. Apart from privatise the Health service with PFI.
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23/02/2021 16:23:32 17 7
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You should try being w Tory party downer, like CTM, a travel agent with Tory party links who have just been given the contract to sell covid test kits to all U.K. arrivals.

So where’s their medical experience then!
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23/02/2021 18:22:18 3 2
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you need medical experiance to sell someone someone a box put together by another company? Next you will be asking if the royal mail postman has a medical degree.... get a grip.
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23/02/2021 18:22:52 3 0
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who cares
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23/02/2021 18:25:43 3 5
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Such a caring person you are. If you're working I hope you lose your job soon. If you're not, I would have expected nothing less from a Tory like you.
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23/02/2021 19:26:11 0 1
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Who Cares Wins
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23/02/2021 18:06:49 21 12
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Subsidies are the same thing as turnover as far as Labour are concerned, they would run the country like a union if they could - sitting around doing very little getting paid handsomely for it. It works well so long as someone picks up the bill, though it doesnt scale well to country scale, greece is a good recent example of how that turns out.
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23/02/2021 18:23:27 4 5
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As is the UK, you do know how much your Government is borrowing?

So, how will it turn out? Any ideas?
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23/02/2021 18:05:39 21 6
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keep her in place
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23/02/2021 18:24:13 1 6
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I hope they do. And Starmer. And hopefully they restore the whip to Corbyn too....
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23/02/2021 18:22:52 3 0
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who cares
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23/02/2021 18:25:43 3 5
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Such a caring person you are. If you're working I hope you lose your job soon. If you're not, I would have expected nothing less from a Tory like you.
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23/02/2021 18:50:45 2 0
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pity, I'm a doctor
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23/02/2021 19:46:05 0 2
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He 'aint worth it.
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23/02/2021 19:51:36 3 0
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Nice to see that you are super nice, too.
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23/02/2021 21:22:55 2 0
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as a pathologist I see the damage alcohol does sorry if you took it badly
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RDG
23/02/2021 16:16:13 12 3
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My business pays £15,000 per month in business rates, even though we are not using the buildings. Zero Government help for us.
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23/02/2021 18:25:49 4 2
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Oddly I have no sympathy for you, not sure why but its probably something to do with the fact that when you were doing well you kept the proffit and paid the minimum tax. You are happy to win when you are winning but expect help when you are not, seems hypocritical to me. No I dont buy the "I have employees so I am a great person" you are still in this for yourself...
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23/02/2021 20:59:57 2 0
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Come on Nath, you are making big assumptions about RDG. Rents are a genuine issue, I havent got that as an issue (micro-sme ??)

All companies try & pay minimal tax without breaking the law. This pandemic is off the charts for impact & absolutely no one knew the impact & when it would occur. Hard for businesses to grow with this going on.
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23/02/2021 15:27:06 11 7
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The problem is, while the government has vast resources , they're not vast enough.

They can't afford to provide the support that's really needed.

My business is down 70% over last 12 months. We applied for an ARG grant from local council and were given £2,250. Our business turnover is in 7 figures, how far do they think £2,250 is going to go? It's pathetic.
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23/02/2021 18:28:04 3 1
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Its not pathetic, its better than zero which is what you should get. You seem to think the country owes you for the fact that you have a company and can make lots of proffit - why? You pay tax sure but only because you have to, you keep as much as you can. The country owes you nothing, you are in this for yourself, dont pretend otherwise.
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23/02/2021 15:14:22 17 15
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tories can give it but seem unable to receive criticism.

You just keep backing your cheats thieves and liars ??
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23/02/2021 18:31:37 4 0
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Do you have any idea how absurd your comment is? Nobody can criticize Labour for what they have done, they havent been in power for almost a decade and half and Starmer has never been in power - he has literally done nothing, for anyone, anywhere at any point. Politics is about mud slinging, what matters is what sticks not who does or does not find fault.
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23/02/2021 17:35:41 12 12
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Same old Labour still trying to spend everyone else’s tax payer money even when not in Gov’t. They are financially inept and this is what caused the problems for UK in 2008. Labour wrecked the UK economy and have the nerve to suggest anyone should take them seriously. Starmer is devoid of original though. And the Party’s political correctness has made them politically irrelevant.
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23/02/2021 18:33:38 2 2
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What wrecked the economy was high interest rates.
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23/02/2021 20:00:25 0 2
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Exactly....Labour.