Covid: Airline industry travel pass ready 'within weeks'
23/02/2021 | news | business | 222
Industry body IATA says it sees its pass as essential for reopening quarantine-free travel.
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23/02/2021 10:38:03 6 22
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The same people who routinely criticise the EU and China will suddenly be wanting to book their foreign holidays to such places with their 2nd rate blue passports.
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23/02/2021 10:48:44 12 3
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Why 2nd rate? Is the passport of the worlds 6th largest economy not good enough for you?
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23/02/2021 11:34:12 4 1
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China has hardly any covid. EU is full of Covid strains
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23/02/2021 12:39:27 2 0
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Dont care what color my passports are, as long as they are accepted.

I certainly do criticise CCP for their totalitarian regime, & for that I will not go to China for that very reason. Just because you want to see hypocrisy everywhere doesnt mean it exists. Yet again you conflate issues, which seems to be you forte
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23/02/2021 10:38:22 25 12
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This is an industry ruse to sidestep the govt. Johnson should stamp this out now, before every tom dick & harry business has its own vaccination passport.
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23/02/2021 10:54:19 11 20
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Government plans are simply inadequate.

Airlines are simply filling in the gaps!
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23/02/2021 10:42:02 29 4
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And a week after this goes live, fake hacked versions will be available.
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23/02/2021 12:02:59 2 3
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all you need is penalties to match them. But then again it should be a Governmental/International agreement. I can't see any vaccine and test centre being able to just update the app as either "negative" or "vaccinated". The system would be too prone to abuse. I'm glad to see the Government are more assertive with penalties. Our Supremo used to put it down to freedom of the British Bulldog spirit
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23/02/2021 12:43:08 3 1
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Translating your comment to
a) I cant afford to go on holiday, so no one else should,
b) You know very little about how systems can be designed with security 1st
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23/02/2021 16:09:46 0 0
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good reason to have an android phone /joke
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23/02/2021 10:43:54 30 9
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The only pass I'll be taking is by not going abroad this year, don't fancy being stranded or having to shell out for quarantine if things suddenly go south again. I can wait a bit longer.
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23/02/2021 12:22:09 3 23
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‘If things go south’? That is guaranteed, especially as the SA, Brazil and new UK variant are not susceptible to the current vaccines.
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23/02/2021 16:40:52 0 0
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I'm enjoying greater liberty here on the outside, I took a gamble and my return flights were cancelled so it paid off.
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23/02/2021 10:45:18 6 5
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Might allow people to enter other countries but should not be the means of re-entering the UK.
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23/02/2021 10:46:56 3 9
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will they never learn until we lockdown our ports down .with testing and quarantining all arrivals. this will go on and on with one new strain after another arriving
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23/02/2021 11:05:56 3 2
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If it's a new strain, how do you know to test for it?
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23/02/2021 10:38:03 6 22
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The same people who routinely criticise the EU and China will suddenly be wanting to book their foreign holidays to such places with their 2nd rate blue passports.
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23/02/2021 10:48:44 12 3
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Why 2nd rate? Is the passport of the worlds 6th largest economy not good enough for you?
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23/02/2021 11:02:28 3 7
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It has fewer rights and freedoms than a German passport holder in the world's 4th largest economy. That's Brexit.
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23/02/2021 11:07:18 1 6
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I preferred the old EU one. The one we had when we were the 5th richest economy. How far down the league table we will drop after 5 years of Boris?
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23/02/2021 10:48:48 4 12
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just how many people do the Airlines want to kill for profit
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23/02/2021 10:49:46 12 5
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The airlines haven't killed anyone, unless they crash. Is that what you meant?
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23/02/2021 10:49:40 63 9
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People who use fake certificates should be fined heavily or jailed - it is easy to blame the people that produce these but if nobody purchased them there would be no market
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23/02/2021 11:15:11 15 6
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What mental journey have the people who down voted this been on? Far too many people walking around with "exempt" lanyards on that they've bought from off the internet.
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23/02/2021 11:52:19 3 3
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Do you think this principle should be applied to drug cartels and dealers, or do you think it should be just the users that face the penalties of getting caught?
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23/02/2021 14:12:44 4 2
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How on earth can you fake a digital certificate confirming you’ve been vaccinated?! Are we telling porkies here I wonder...
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Pip
23/02/2021 15:50:39 0 0
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In an ideal world, sadly this is not an ideal world...........?
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23/02/2021 19:38:48 0 0
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Jailed
Otherwise rich will continue to flaunt rules
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23/02/2021 20:54:59 0 0
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IMO, fines or jail for users and producers.
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24/02/2021 00:03:35 1 0
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what certificate is on offer to those of use who have gained natural immunity?

natural immunity may be superior to artificially create immunity
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24/02/2021 00:05:35 0 0
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how can the certificate authority be trusted - especially if it is China's WHO agency?
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24/02/2021 22:35:07 0 0
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You fool! We are all being played! Covid is about control! Do your own research away from the Globalist MSM and take a real view!
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24/02/2021 22:42:03 0 0
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ThebBC communist censor any comment questioning the evil vaccine.
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23/02/2021 10:48:48 4 12
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just how many people do the Airlines want to kill for profit
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23/02/2021 10:49:46 12 5
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The airlines haven't killed anyone, unless they crash. Is that what you meant?
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Bob
23/02/2021 10:50:51 38 6
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Permitting international travel does not mean it will be requirement free. I hope the people rushing to book realise that.

You aren't going to go from it being banned to being a free-for-all overnight. In all likelihood there will be quarantine and mandatory testing, at both ends of the journey along with vaccine requirements - and we won't have finished all adults by the time restrictions lift.
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23/02/2021 12:37:47 17 3
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Exactly.

If people are prepared to put up with all that (and more) just to have their "holiday" abroad - good luck to 'em.

I'll be waiting until there's evidence of a return to a much greater level of "normality" before considering holidaying abroad.
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23/02/2021 10:52:04 31 19
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International travel should be for absolutely essential purposes only for the foreseeable future. Having taken this long to get the virus under some sort of control, the last thing we need now is to import some mutant strain which is less responsive to the vaccines.
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23/02/2021 17:47:52 3 5
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The UK has "all the strains" and one of the highest death rates from covid in the world (world-beating for once). Why the hell would you want to inflict more damage on the travel industry once you get vaccinated?
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24/02/2021 17:32:39 0 0
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Pinzamoss that is the most absurd comment I have seen in a while, tell that to do millions of people living in the Uk who have families abroad, plus it's the Uk that has all the variants!
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23/02/2021 10:52:17 4 3
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We need absolute evidence that the vaccine stops a person carrying or transmitting the virus. Then certification of this is the way forward for international travel.
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23/02/2021 10:54:46 12 3
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It doesn't. It reduces it. It's about reducing risk, not eliminating it.
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23/02/2021 11:08:19 4 0
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Nothing is foolproof, planes still drop out of the sky.

Strap in and enjoy your flight.
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23/02/2021 13:12:03 2 0
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Vaccine protects you against a low exposure, so no infection. With a moderate exposure then the vaccine should help to reduce infection so that you then only transmit a small amount, aka low exposure for others.

With more & more people getting vaccinated then the risk drops even further.
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ab
23/02/2021 14:10:48 0 0
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There is no vaccine on earth that does that for anything. Including far deadlier viruses and diseases. I assume that has never stopped you before, so why would it now?
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23/02/2021 10:52:48 6 19
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The Boris roadmap is far too slow.

The airline industry need to take the initiative if government are incapable.
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23/02/2021 10:38:22 25 12
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This is an industry ruse to sidestep the govt. Johnson should stamp this out now, before every tom dick & harry business has its own vaccination passport.
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23/02/2021 10:54:19 11 20
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Government plans are simply inadequate.

Airlines are simply filling in the gaps!
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23/02/2021 10:54:44 32 8
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We need to concentrate on the requirements for ENTERING the UK. Intending travellers will need to take account of the requirements for the country they want to travel to, and the requirements to re-enter the UK.
Do what is needed, not what the travel industry want.
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23/02/2021 10:52:17 4 3
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We need absolute evidence that the vaccine stops a person carrying or transmitting the virus. Then certification of this is the way forward for international travel.
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23/02/2021 10:54:46 12 3
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It doesn't. It reduces it. It's about reducing risk, not eliminating it.
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23/02/2021 10:54:49 28 3
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There are an awful lot of people that don't have smart phones.

Does this mean, no smart phone, no app, no travel?
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23/02/2021 11:00:32 16 19
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Yep. No more faffing around with bits of paper slowing everyone down.
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23/02/2021 13:07:24 2 3
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Hopefully
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23/02/2021 13:07:42 7 6
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Even a cheap smartphone would suffice. Unless you are a conspiracy nut, or too poor like popeye seems to be then smartphones are reason cost.

Cant afford a smart phone then can you really afford the holiday in the first place?
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23/02/2021 18:35:23 3 1
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I have plastic hands due to a limb deformity. Smartphones require real skin to work or they don't pick up touch. Those touch-gloves you can get only pass through the skin's natural electricity to make them work, but if you don't have any real skin in the first place they don't work. I use an old Nokia feature phone with physical bush buttons for calls and texts. Will I be banned from travelling?
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23/02/2021 20:23:10 1 0
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no 'tag' no travel.
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23/02/2021 10:49:40 63 9
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People who use fake certificates should be fined heavily or jailed - it is easy to blame the people that produce these but if nobody purchased them there would be no market
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23/02/2021 11:00:26 8 1
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"The UK generally has a high level of international connectivity, &...imposing a 90% restriction on all air travel to the UK at the point a pandemic emerges would only delay the peak of a pandemic wave by 1-2 wks. Even a 99.9% travel restriction might delay a pandemic wave by only 2 mths." (the Gov't Pandemic Strategy prior to Covid). The same would apply for effectiveness at keeping out variants
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23/02/2021 10:54:49 28 3
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There are an awful lot of people that don't have smart phones.

Does this mean, no smart phone, no app, no travel?
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23/02/2021 11:00:32 16 19
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Yep. No more faffing around with bits of paper slowing everyone down.
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23/02/2021 12:20:54 3 4
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Maybe the government should issue a smartphone to all those without one then.
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23/02/2021 11:01:58 5 3
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"Industry body supports e-document that facilitates its members transporting people, and the virus, internationally".

.... because tests are not 100% effective - and passengers in transit encounter people from all over the world in international airports, even if it is not their final destination.
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23/02/2021 13:05:27 1 0
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And what happens when only the vaccinated can travel. Very minor risk.

btw done right e-documents done correctly can be 100% secure. The fact that civil servants arent involved does decrease the risk of it not being fit for purpose, late & expensive.
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23/02/2021 10:48:44 12 3
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Why 2nd rate? Is the passport of the worlds 6th largest economy not good enough for you?
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23/02/2021 11:02:28 3 7
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It has fewer rights and freedoms than a German passport holder in the world's 4th largest economy. That's Brexit.
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23/02/2021 11:12:30 4 1
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FGS give it up will you.
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23/02/2021 16:20:03 0 0
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One day you really will have to get over it you know...
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23/02/2021 10:46:56 3 9
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will they never learn until we lockdown our ports down .with testing and quarantining all arrivals. this will go on and on with one new strain after another arriving
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23/02/2021 11:05:56 3 2
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If it's a new strain, how do you know to test for it?
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23/02/2021 11:06:32 6 8
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I bet the App will beep when it detects it is a british passport holder and a line of texts comes out to the screen: watch out a potential carrier of the variants of the UK virus and could be refused to enter other countries

Many countries still ban arrivals of brits
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23/02/2021 13:02:53 1 0
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Spreading you usual amount of conjecture as fact.

Until the scheme has been accepted by various governments then you just dont know. And if China, the country you deny is the source of Covid (unlike the WHO), allowes travel on the scheme would you accept it then?
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23/02/2021 10:48:44 12 3
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Why 2nd rate? Is the passport of the worlds 6th largest economy not good enough for you?
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23/02/2021 11:07:18 1 6
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I preferred the old EU one. The one we had when we were the 5th richest economy. How far down the league table we will drop after 5 years of Boris?
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23/02/2021 10:52:17 4 3
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We need absolute evidence that the vaccine stops a person carrying or transmitting the virus. Then certification of this is the way forward for international travel.
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23/02/2021 11:08:19 4 0
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Nothing is foolproof, planes still drop out of the sky.

Strap in and enjoy your flight.
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23/02/2021 11:02:28 3 7
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It has fewer rights and freedoms than a German passport holder in the world's 4th largest economy. That's Brexit.
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23/02/2021 11:12:30 4 1
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FGS give it up will you.
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23/02/2021 10:49:40 63 9
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People who use fake certificates should be fined heavily or jailed - it is easy to blame the people that produce these but if nobody purchased them there would be no market
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23/02/2021 11:15:11 15 6
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What mental journey have the people who down voted this been on? Far too many people walking around with "exempt" lanyards on that they've bought from off the internet.
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23/02/2021 11:16:24 10 2
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Why do I smell money?

I sense that somehow directly or indirectly far more money will be made by the apps than by the fraudsters! Not now, but when we're all used to having to show vaccination proof, we'll have to pay with "no vaccination no travel" rules.

As I said, I smell money!
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23/02/2021 11:45:33 4 1
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Hmmm... Are you sitting in a bank vault?
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23/02/2021 20:35:31 0 0
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yep right on!
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23/02/2021 11:19:07 5 4
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Was mass air travel ever a good idea!?
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23/02/2021 13:33:08 1 2
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Yes
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23/02/2021 11:29:18 11 2
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Covid: Airline industry travel pass ready 'within weeks'....absolutly gauranteed the fraudsters will be working in parallel to produce faked versions.
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Rob
23/02/2021 11:58:10 7 1
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I got my travel passport last week......From Big Tam at the Glasgow "Barras"
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Ian
23/02/2021 11:31:39 4 1
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If the UK allows international travel after a covid jab, where can we go. If other countries are not on the same page unlikely we will have any planes departing. Biggest fear is of the politicians not wanting to give up there power or the empires they have built up.
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23/02/2021 11:32:15 3 4
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Not sure this is news. Boris admitted yesterday what we all knew 6 mths ago.
You will need to carry your " health certificate" with you at all times. As raab admitted last week, you need your papers to go into supermarket. What gov have not said yet, is what those who don't agree to take jabs go.
Maybe some form of correction facility
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23/02/2021 11:43:27 5 2
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Oh no, we mustn't call it "correction", we must follow the Chinese lead and call it "re-education".
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23/02/2021 12:44:43 4 0
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People have their own reasons for not having/wanting the jab it doesn't mean they are anti-vaxers!
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23/02/2021 12:59:51 0 0
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Hows your supply of tin-foil going? Dont tell anyone else but the supply will runout due to it being used to create fake certificates.!!!

in other words, stop suggesting your conspiracy theories as fact. 101 for spotting the conspiracy theory "What gov have not said". They havent said Im the Pope, doesn't mean that its true.
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23/02/2021 11:33:42 1 9
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When we had our jabs, we were issued with a small card showing what jab we had been given and the date. When we get our second jab, this card will be updated. Surely these cards can be used as that passport? I guess these cards have been used nationwide. Do we need yet another layer of bureacracy?
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MVS
23/02/2021 11:34:55 11 1
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No, the cards have not been used nationwide, and can easily be forged anyway.
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23/02/2021 13:52:20 0 0
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It’s just a bit of printed cardboard with handwritten bits on it. No security there. Mine didn’t even have my name filled in - I had to write that myself.
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23/02/2021 11:33:42 1 9
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When we had our jabs, we were issued with a small card showing what jab we had been given and the date. When we get our second jab, this card will be updated. Surely these cards can be used as that passport? I guess these cards have been used nationwide. Do we need yet another layer of bureacracy?
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MVS
23/02/2021 11:34:55 11 1
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No, the cards have not been used nationwide, and can easily be forged anyway.
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23/02/2021 11:33:18 6 5
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Air travel spreads Covid and so does travel out and into the country at ports
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23/02/2021 12:43:24 3 1
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Air travel spreadsall sorts covid is just one of them!
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23/02/2021 10:38:03 6 22
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The same people who routinely criticise the EU and China will suddenly be wanting to book their foreign holidays to such places with their 2nd rate blue passports.
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23/02/2021 11:34:12 4 1
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China has hardly any covid. EU is full of Covid strains
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MVS
23/02/2021 11:37:32 11 2
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Another app that will not be universal and therefore of limited value!
We have to get away from any idea that we need to prove that we have been vaxed or tested, and get back to normality. Covid is now with us possibly for ever, and as long as there are efforts to contain local outbreaks and improve survival rates we need to view it as just another risk in life!
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23/02/2021 11:52:18 14 5
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I do not have a smartphone, therefore an app is of no use.
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23/02/2021 20:34:45 0 0
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first bit of common sense ive seen on here , 100% right. covid is just another nuisance virus , lets just get on with life shall we. and stop acting like chicken little. wont happen though to much money to be made like y2k farce.
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23/02/2021 11:35:34 16 9
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Air travel the industry that was responsible for spreading Covid around the world at unprecedented rate
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24/02/2021 04:32:38 1 0
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The bubonic plague brought by ship in the middle ages was much more deadly than this virus.
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23/02/2021 11:36:56 2 3
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Testing for Covid at borders stops spread not a Vaccine
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23/02/2021 12:13:26 5 3
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Only if the testing is 100% accurate (they aren't), and only if the vaccine doesn't prevent infection (evidence so far it that it most likely does). So wrong, and wrong.
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23/02/2021 12:14:13 0 0
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That is why you need to have a test as well as being vaccinated.

Did you not read the article?
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23/02/2021 11:39:36 2 5
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Excellente!!!!!!

Let's go go go!!!!!!
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23/02/2021 11:32:15 3 4
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Not sure this is news. Boris admitted yesterday what we all knew 6 mths ago.
You will need to carry your " health certificate" with you at all times. As raab admitted last week, you need your papers to go into supermarket. What gov have not said yet, is what those who don't agree to take jabs go.
Maybe some form of correction facility
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23/02/2021 11:43:27 5 2
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Oh no, we mustn't call it "correction", we must follow the Chinese lead and call it "re-education".
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23/02/2021 11:44:28 2 1
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According to the vaccine queue calculator I only have 28,000,000 people in front of me with an anticipated date for the vaccine of Nov 2021. No chance of a holiday abroad this year :(
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23/02/2021 12:22:44 3 2
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Read the text. You could get a test as an alternative to the vaccine.
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23/02/2021 11:16:24 10 2
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Why do I smell money?

I sense that somehow directly or indirectly far more money will be made by the apps than by the fraudsters! Not now, but when we're all used to having to show vaccination proof, we'll have to pay with "no vaccination no travel" rules.

As I said, I smell money!
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23/02/2021 11:45:33 4 1
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Hmmm... Are you sitting in a bank vault?
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23/02/2021 11:46:32 3 5
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Another disgraceful attempt to undermine Nicola Sturgeon's quarantine measures intended to improve her image, sorry I mean destroy the Scottish travel industry, maybe not, perhaps justify closing the border with England.
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23/02/2021 11:51:06 8 4
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Within days there will be fake versions for sale online, just like fake certificates for vaccinations.
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23/02/2021 12:55:10 11 7
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So is your real issue genuine, or just based on envy because you dont have a smart phone. If you cant afford even a basic smartphone it does suggest that you cant afford the holiday in the first place.

No wonder you attack everyone right of Corbyn with wild conspiracy theories of fake certificates.
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MVS
23/02/2021 11:37:32 11 2
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Another app that will not be universal and therefore of limited value!
We have to get away from any idea that we need to prove that we have been vaxed or tested, and get back to normality. Covid is now with us possibly for ever, and as long as there are efforts to contain local outbreaks and improve survival rates we need to view it as just another risk in life!
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23/02/2021 11:52:18 14 5
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I do not have a smartphone, therefore an app is of no use.
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23/02/2021 13:05:02 6 1
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I think you mean..."I do not have a smartphone therefore an app is no use to me."
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23/02/2021 13:36:38 4 3
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You can get a fully functional cheapo Android for 50 quid.
Personally I prefer Apple, but there you go.

If you can't scrape that together how do you expect to afford to go on holiday anyhow?

Or are you one of these Socialist Corbyite Beardies who dream of a Soviet style Utopia?
Jeez you guys should have lived in CCCP and seen what such a system was really like.
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23/02/2021 22:21:06 0 0
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Stay at home then .
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23/02/2021 10:49:40 63 9
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People who use fake certificates should be fined heavily or jailed - it is easy to blame the people that produce these but if nobody purchased them there would be no market
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23/02/2021 11:52:19 3 3
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Do you think this principle should be applied to drug cartels and dealers, or do you think it should be just the users that face the penalties of getting caught?
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23/02/2021 11:29:18 11 2
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Covid: Airline industry travel pass ready 'within weeks'....absolutly gauranteed the fraudsters will be working in parallel to produce faked versions.
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Rob
23/02/2021 11:58:10 7 1
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I got my travel passport last week......From Big Tam at the Glasgow "Barras"
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Rob
23/02/2021 11:59:21 1 0
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Now available ......Just ask for Big Tam at the Glasgow "Barras"
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23/02/2021 10:42:02 29 4
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And a week after this goes live, fake hacked versions will be available.
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23/02/2021 12:02:59 2 3
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all you need is penalties to match them. But then again it should be a Governmental/International agreement. I can't see any vaccine and test centre being able to just update the app as either "negative" or "vaccinated". The system would be too prone to abuse. I'm glad to see the Government are more assertive with penalties. Our Supremo used to put it down to freedom of the British Bulldog spirit
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23/02/2021 12:05:12 3 10
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Crazy pandering to bad people wanting to do bad things for absolutely no good reason but their puerile 'fun'. There are plenty more diseases out there for you to bring back & start this all over again. You should have learnt from this mild warning one to change behaviours. Locked up quarry should be required for all border crossing for ever. We never see these problems until you have spread them.
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23/02/2021 12:58:46 3 3
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Fool.
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23/02/2021 11:36:56 2 3
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Testing for Covid at borders stops spread not a Vaccine
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23/02/2021 12:13:26 5 3
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Only if the testing is 100% accurate (they aren't), and only if the vaccine doesn't prevent infection (evidence so far it that it most likely does). So wrong, and wrong.
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23/02/2021 11:36:56 2 3
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Testing for Covid at borders stops spread not a Vaccine
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23/02/2021 12:14:13 0 0
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That is why you need to have a test as well as being vaccinated.

Did you not read the article?
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23/02/2021 12:15:58 1 0
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What the state won't implement you can be sure that big business will.
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23/02/2021 12:16:41 13 4
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This is just half of the problem. How many countries will welcome visitors from UK? Not only have holiday costs increased but don’t forget cost of tests, certificates etc, it’s going to be more expensive to travel.
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23/02/2021 12:25:58 19 2
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Precisely.

And given that a holiday is supposed to be a relaxing escape from the stresses and frustrations of everyday life; the high likelihood that mandatory face-mask wearing, social distancing and all manner of other restrictions are likely to still be in force in many overseas holiday destinations isn't my idea of a good time. - And certainly not one I'm prepared to waste good money on.
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23/02/2021 13:01:19 0 0
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Spain will be pleased to see you if you have the travel passport!
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23/02/2021 14:41:34 0 1
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Many, as the governments will see this as risk mitigation & a way to keep vital parts of the economy going.
So an extra £50 is not really more expensive. Conversion rates can have a bigger impact.
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23/02/2021 11:00:32 16 19
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Yep. No more faffing around with bits of paper slowing everyone down.
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23/02/2021 12:20:54 3 4
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Maybe the government should issue a smartphone to all those without one then.
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23/02/2021 10:43:54 30 9
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The only pass I'll be taking is by not going abroad this year, don't fancy being stranded or having to shell out for quarantine if things suddenly go south again. I can wait a bit longer.
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23/02/2021 12:22:09 3 23
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‘If things go south’? That is guaranteed, especially as the SA, Brazil and new UK variant are not susceptible to the current vaccines.
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23/02/2021 12:35:58 6 0
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“... especially as the SA, Brazil and new UK variant are not susceptible to the current vaccines.”

I assume you are trying to say that the vaccine doesn’t protect against the SA, Brazil and new UK variant? Where did you read that?
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23/02/2021 11:44:28 2 1
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According to the vaccine queue calculator I only have 28,000,000 people in front of me with an anticipated date for the vaccine of Nov 2021. No chance of a holiday abroad this year :(
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23/02/2021 12:22:44 3 2
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Read the text. You could get a test as an alternative to the vaccine.
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ab
23/02/2021 14:08:52 0 0
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Why would he want his data being sold to American companies (government admitted last summer that is what happens to UK test data).
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23/02/2021 12:16:41 13 4
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This is just half of the problem. How many countries will welcome visitors from UK? Not only have holiday costs increased but don’t forget cost of tests, certificates etc, it’s going to be more expensive to travel.
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23/02/2021 12:25:58 19 2
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Precisely.

And given that a holiday is supposed to be a relaxing escape from the stresses and frustrations of everyday life; the high likelihood that mandatory face-mask wearing, social distancing and all manner of other restrictions are likely to still be in force in many overseas holiday destinations isn't my idea of a good time. - And certainly not one I'm prepared to waste good money on.
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23/02/2021 22:19:30 0 0
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Your choice - move on and forget it . I booked my second trip this morning .
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23/02/2021 12:15:30 4 3
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amesStGeorge

Crazy pandering to bad people wanting to do bad things for absolutely no good reason but their puerile 'fun'. Locked up quarry should be required for all border crossing for ever. We never see these problems until you have spread them.

**

Just stay home James : have you not had the vaccine though??

The rest of us relish a bit of 'fun'........................................
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23/02/2021 12:58:12 6 1
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The vaccine would be wasted on the likes of him as he seems determined to never set foot outside his door and so thinks everyone else should be condemned to his level of misery.
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23/02/2021 16:26:56 0 0
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It is wrong to travel abroad without full quarantine. Or preferably at all. But quarantine enables those so desperate to do so.

No no vaccine yet. Not old enough I guess.

Contentment of your whole life beats the sad life of moments of supposed infantile fun, and the rest so miserable that you want to get out and away from it. My life is perfect thank you.
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23/02/2021 12:22:09 3 23
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‘If things go south’? That is guaranteed, especially as the SA, Brazil and new UK variant are not susceptible to the current vaccines.
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23/02/2021 12:35:58 6 0
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“... especially as the SA, Brazil and new UK variant are not susceptible to the current vaccines.”

I assume you are trying to say that the vaccine doesn’t protect against the SA, Brazil and new UK variant? Where did you read that?
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23/02/2021 14:29:52 4 1
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In Popeye's own mind, obviously.
The scientists who know about this stuff have only said that the current vaccine either works on the variants, or might be slightly less effective.
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23/02/2021 12:36:55 4 9
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Loving the EU passport at the bottom of the article. Come on, berxits, where is your indignation?
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23/02/2021 12:39:20 3 2
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Oh yes : missed that!

The regulars will be apoplectic........................
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23/02/2021 13:18:40 2 1
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You’ve created imaginary indignation as a dig at Brexit!
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23/02/2021 14:05:02 0 0
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Look more closely it's a UK and NI Passport
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23/02/2021 10:50:51 38 6
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Permitting international travel does not mean it will be requirement free. I hope the people rushing to book realise that.

You aren't going to go from it being banned to being a free-for-all overnight. In all likelihood there will be quarantine and mandatory testing, at both ends of the journey along with vaccine requirements - and we won't have finished all adults by the time restrictions lift.
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23/02/2021 12:37:47 17 3
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Exactly.

If people are prepared to put up with all that (and more) just to have their "holiday" abroad - good luck to 'em.

I'll be waiting until there's evidence of a return to a much greater level of "normality" before considering holidaying abroad.
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23/02/2021 10:38:03 6 22
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The same people who routinely criticise the EU and China will suddenly be wanting to book their foreign holidays to such places with their 2nd rate blue passports.
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23/02/2021 12:39:27 2 0
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Dont care what color my passports are, as long as they are accepted.

I certainly do criticise CCP for their totalitarian regime, & for that I will not go to China for that very reason. Just because you want to see hypocrisy everywhere doesnt mean it exists. Yet again you conflate issues, which seems to be you forte
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23/02/2021 10:42:02 29 4
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And a week after this goes live, fake hacked versions will be available.
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23/02/2021 12:43:08 3 1
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Translating your comment to
a) I cant afford to go on holiday, so no one else should,
b) You know very little about how systems can be designed with security 1st
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23/02/2021 11:33:18 6 5
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Air travel spreads Covid and so does travel out and into the country at ports
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23/02/2021 12:43:24 3 1
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Air travel spreadsall sorts covid is just one of them!
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23/02/2021 11:32:15 3 4
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Not sure this is news. Boris admitted yesterday what we all knew 6 mths ago.
You will need to carry your " health certificate" with you at all times. As raab admitted last week, you need your papers to go into supermarket. What gov have not said yet, is what those who don't agree to take jabs go.
Maybe some form of correction facility
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23/02/2021 12:44:43 4 0
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People have their own reasons for not having/wanting the jab it doesn't mean they are anti-vaxers!
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23/02/2021 12:47:36 17 10
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So a private company can design & implement a secure scheme measured in weeks.

Whereas all the schemes that the civil servants implement are late, over budget and not fit for purpose.

Good on the IATA.
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23/02/2021 13:05:22 12 2
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"The International Air Transport Association (IATA) says it expects its digital Covid Travel Pass will be ready "within weeks". "

They've not done it yet. They just say they can. They also don't stipulate how many weeks. It could be two or thousands.
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23/02/2021 20:32:21 0 0
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simple to do , i designed a track and trace in a day!!!!! been in industry for 35 years it easy. . i still wouldnt use it i dont trust powers that be not to abuse the information. i suspect you have no idea how much info can be gathered by stuff on your phone.
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23/02/2021 11:51:06 8 4
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Within days there will be fake versions for sale online, just like fake certificates for vaccinations.
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23/02/2021 12:55:10 11 7
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So is your real issue genuine, or just based on envy because you dont have a smart phone. If you cant afford even a basic smartphone it does suggest that you cant afford the holiday in the first place.

No wonder you attack everyone right of Corbyn with wild conspiracy theories of fake certificates.
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23/02/2021 12:36:55 4 9
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Loving the EU passport at the bottom of the article. Come on, berxits, where is your indignation?
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23/02/2021 12:39:20 3 2
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Oh yes : missed that!

The regulars will be apoplectic........................
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23/02/2021 12:15:30 4 3
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amesStGeorge

Crazy pandering to bad people wanting to do bad things for absolutely no good reason but their puerile 'fun'. Locked up quarry should be required for all border crossing for ever. We never see these problems until you have spread them.

**

Just stay home James : have you not had the vaccine though??

The rest of us relish a bit of 'fun'........................................
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23/02/2021 12:58:12 6 1
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The vaccine would be wasted on the likes of him as he seems determined to never set foot outside his door and so thinks everyone else should be condemned to his level of misery.
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23/02/2021 12:05:12 3 10
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Crazy pandering to bad people wanting to do bad things for absolutely no good reason but their puerile 'fun'. There are plenty more diseases out there for you to bring back & start this all over again. You should have learnt from this mild warning one to change behaviours. Locked up quarry should be required for all border crossing for ever. We never see these problems until you have spread them.
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23/02/2021 12:58:46 3 3
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Fool.
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23/02/2021 11:32:15 3 4
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Not sure this is news. Boris admitted yesterday what we all knew 6 mths ago.
You will need to carry your " health certificate" with you at all times. As raab admitted last week, you need your papers to go into supermarket. What gov have not said yet, is what those who don't agree to take jabs go.
Maybe some form of correction facility
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23/02/2021 12:59:51 0 0
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Hows your supply of tin-foil going? Dont tell anyone else but the supply will runout due to it being used to create fake certificates.!!!

in other words, stop suggesting your conspiracy theories as fact. 101 for spotting the conspiracy theory "What gov have not said". They havent said Im the Pope, doesn't mean that its true.
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23/02/2021 14:13:40 2 0
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Last year, the 'conspiracy theory' was that a vaccine passport/pass would be needed for travel, and it was dismissed by the same people who are now begging for it. What else dismissed as 'conspiracy' is also worryingly accurate?
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23/02/2021 12:16:41 13 4
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This is just half of the problem. How many countries will welcome visitors from UK? Not only have holiday costs increased but don’t forget cost of tests, certificates etc, it’s going to be more expensive to travel.
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23/02/2021 13:01:19 0 0
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Spain will be pleased to see you if you have the travel passport!
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23/02/2021 21:03:45 0 0
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-51235105

Spain is currently 6% vaccinated.
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24/02/2021 15:06:30 0 0
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Spain are always pleased to see me without one. My company and the tax it pays is at risk to them if they insist on any kind of restriction for my travel. But don't let that convince you that you can travel without test or vaccine,. lol
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23/02/2021 11:06:32 6 8
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I bet the App will beep when it detects it is a british passport holder and a line of texts comes out to the screen: watch out a potential carrier of the variants of the UK virus and could be refused to enter other countries

Many countries still ban arrivals of brits
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23/02/2021 13:02:53 1 0
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Spreading you usual amount of conjecture as fact.

Until the scheme has been accepted by various governments then you just dont know. And if China, the country you deny is the source of Covid (unlike the WHO), allowes travel on the scheme would you accept it then?
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23/02/2021 11:52:18 14 5
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I do not have a smartphone, therefore an app is of no use.
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23/02/2021 13:05:02 6 1
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I think you mean..."I do not have a smartphone therefore an app is no use to me."
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23/02/2021 12:47:36 17 10
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So a private company can design & implement a secure scheme measured in weeks.

Whereas all the schemes that the civil servants implement are late, over budget and not fit for purpose.

Good on the IATA.
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23/02/2021 13:05:22 12 2
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"The International Air Transport Association (IATA) says it expects its digital Covid Travel Pass will be ready "within weeks". "

They've not done it yet. They just say they can. They also don't stipulate how many weeks. It could be two or thousands.
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23/02/2021 14:39:13 1 0
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Obviously you have never worked in business or any organisation. hmmm.

IATA may have developed something already & just doing final testing before its ready. Or they could be waiting for various governments feedback before confirming its ready.

Perhaps because you are unable to go travelling explains the sour-grapes.
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23/02/2021 11:01:58 5 3
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"Industry body supports e-document that facilitates its members transporting people, and the virus, internationally".

.... because tests are not 100% effective - and passengers in transit encounter people from all over the world in international airports, even if it is not their final destination.
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23/02/2021 13:05:27 1 0
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And what happens when only the vaccinated can travel. Very minor risk.

btw done right e-documents done correctly can be 100% secure. The fact that civil servants arent involved does decrease the risk of it not being fit for purpose, late & expensive.
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23/02/2021 14:30:02 0 0
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A vaccinated person can still spread the virus - so it does not matter whether everyone on a plane or in an airport is vaccinated, they can still spread the virus.
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23/02/2021 10:54:49 28 3
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There are an awful lot of people that don't have smart phones.

Does this mean, no smart phone, no app, no travel?
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23/02/2021 13:07:24 2 3
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Hopefully
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23/02/2021 10:54:49 28 3
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There are an awful lot of people that don't have smart phones.

Does this mean, no smart phone, no app, no travel?
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23/02/2021 13:07:42 7 6
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Even a cheap smartphone would suffice. Unless you are a conspiracy nut, or too poor like popeye seems to be then smartphones are reason cost.

Cant afford a smart phone then can you really afford the holiday in the first place?
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23/02/2021 13:39:08 13 3
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Maybe they don't want one, not everybody does.
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23/02/2021 10:52:17 4 3
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We need absolute evidence that the vaccine stops a person carrying or transmitting the virus. Then certification of this is the way forward for international travel.
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23/02/2021 13:12:03 2 0
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Vaccine protects you against a low exposure, so no infection. With a moderate exposure then the vaccine should help to reduce infection so that you then only transmit a small amount, aka low exposure for others.

With more & more people getting vaccinated then the risk drops even further.
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23/02/2021 13:13:16 1 9
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This is cobblers

Tests and vaccines need to be 100% reliable to prevent spread

That's the bar set by the virus

99.9% gets you nowhere
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23/02/2021 13:16:53 3 7
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You have to hand it to the government - they're really grasping the nettle in this phase of the pandemic. This is another good idea. Well done!
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23/02/2021 13:31:02 2 2
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Are you Boris or Matt?
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23/02/2021 12:36:55 4 9
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Loving the EU passport at the bottom of the article. Come on, berxits, where is your indignation?
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23/02/2021 13:18:40 2 1
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You’ve created imaginary indignation as a dig at Brexit!
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23/02/2021 13:21:00 6 3
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Anybody booking a flight or a holiday at this time is being over optimistic....the virus is mutating so that it can circumvent vaccines so holiday makers may well find themselves in quarantine hotels on their return journeys at £1,750.00 a head. Domestic holidays remain the best option.
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23/02/2021 16:28:24 1 1
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I hope so! Serve them right. Still, they like hotels! It will be 'fun' extra weeks.
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23/02/2021 13:26:05 2 1
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Travel isn't only for holiday purposes.. I'm emigrating to the US for work in a few months time and in all likelihood I won't have had my jab by then.

I haven't a clue what the landscape will be in April/May, what the requirements will be or whether I will even be able to travel without a vaccine even if I can prove I am Covid-free.

Lots of questions to wait for answers!
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23/02/2021 14:00:18 2 1
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Seein as 99% of us are not emigrating to a job in the states, we could care less about your ‘predicament’
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23/02/2021 13:16:53 3 7
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You have to hand it to the government - they're really grasping the nettle in this phase of the pandemic. This is another good idea. Well done!
89
23/02/2021 13:31:02 2 2
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Are you Boris or Matt?
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23/02/2021 11:19:07 5 4
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Was mass air travel ever a good idea!?
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23/02/2021 13:33:08 1 2
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Yes
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23/02/2021 13:34:42 1 0
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What's Jab and Go got to say today??
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23/02/2021 13:36:25 3 1
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IATA can plan what they like.
Allowing quarantine free travel is down to national governments.
Until all countries get a vaccine rollout program completed it will be difficult. Being vacinated does not stop you being a carrier. New varients may be vaccine resistant.
There are still a lot of unknowns here
We still do not know how long protection lasts after vaccination.
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23/02/2021 14:49:46 0 0
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Its a step in the right direction.

IATA acts as the coordinator between various governments, which takes the politics & dismisses the petty not-made-here hissy fits.

But tell you what when the rest of us are enjoying a foreign holiday we wont be thinking of those sat in the mummys basement sulking cos they dont like solutions.
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23/02/2021 11:52:18 14 5
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I do not have a smartphone, therefore an app is of no use.
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23/02/2021 13:36:38 4 3
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You can get a fully functional cheapo Android for 50 quid.
Personally I prefer Apple, but there you go.

If you can't scrape that together how do you expect to afford to go on holiday anyhow?

Or are you one of these Socialist Corbyite Beardies who dream of a Soviet style Utopia?
Jeez you guys should have lived in CCCP and seen what such a system was really like.
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23/02/2021 13:07:42 7 6
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Even a cheap smartphone would suffice. Unless you are a conspiracy nut, or too poor like popeye seems to be then smartphones are reason cost.

Cant afford a smart phone then can you really afford the holiday in the first place?
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23/02/2021 13:39:08 13 3
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Maybe they don't want one, not everybody does.
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23/02/2021 14:35:33 2 5
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As it is only for travel then a £50 payg smartphone is really not that expensive. It doesnt need to be turned on for the rest of the year.

If it was for shopping or walking down the street then I would agree, but this is for travel.
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23/02/2021 16:30:41 6 3
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Visited around 70 countries but never owned a smart phone and no wish to have one.
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23/02/2021 19:06:18 1 1
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funny how Luddites embrace the aeroplane.
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23/02/2021 13:42:29 3 3
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No need to have a test if you have been vaccinated twice.

A vaccine pass would be welcome but not a test.
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23/02/2021 13:53:10 3 0
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Just because you have the vaccine doesn’t mean you can’t carry the virus. Argo the pcr test will still be needed
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23/02/2021 13:59:22 1 0
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Do people in this comment section actually realise that all vaccines are a step behind a virus? FLU being the first and obvious example. Vaccines are NEVER 100% effective neither (Dengue fever an obvious example). Can’t wait for the dislikes plebs xx
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23/02/2021 11:33:42 1 9
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When we had our jabs, we were issued with a small card showing what jab we had been given and the date. When we get our second jab, this card will be updated. Surely these cards can be used as that passport? I guess these cards have been used nationwide. Do we need yet another layer of bureacracy?
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23/02/2021 13:52:20 0 0
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It’s just a bit of printed cardboard with handwritten bits on it. No security there. Mine didn’t even have my name filled in - I had to write that myself.
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23/02/2021 13:42:29 3 3
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No need to have a test if you have been vaccinated twice.

A vaccine pass would be welcome but not a test.
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23/02/2021 13:53:10 3 0
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Just because you have the vaccine doesn’t mean you can’t carry the virus. Argo the pcr test will still be needed
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23/02/2021 13:29:43 0 1
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PicadillyCircus
13:21
Anybody booking a flight or a holiday at this time is being over optimistic...

**

Most, if not all, holidays are offered on a flexible basis so you can change dates / get a refund if you can't go. Has been the case for ages.

Try being a glass half full type ...............just for a change.....................
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23/02/2021 14:03:38 2 0
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You haven’t been able to get a refund at all actually. I asked for a refund on flight ticket when this all started and they refused. My credit card company flipped the bill in the end. Also it doesn’t matter if courts insist companies pay a refund; if they don’t have nowt int bank then they can’t pay per back mate!
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23/02/2021 13:42:29 3 3
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No need to have a test if you have been vaccinated twice.

A vaccine pass would be welcome but not a test.
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23/02/2021 13:59:22 1 0
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Do people in this comment section actually realise that all vaccines are a step behind a virus? FLU being the first and obvious example. Vaccines are NEVER 100% effective neither (Dengue fever an obvious example). Can’t wait for the dislikes plebs xx
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23/02/2021 13:26:05 2 1
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Travel isn't only for holiday purposes.. I'm emigrating to the US for work in a few months time and in all likelihood I won't have had my jab by then.

I haven't a clue what the landscape will be in April/May, what the requirements will be or whether I will even be able to travel without a vaccine even if I can prove I am Covid-free.

Lots of questions to wait for answers!
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23/02/2021 14:00:18 2 1
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Seein as 99% of us are not emigrating to a job in the states, we could care less about your ‘predicament’
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23/02/2021 17:42:44 0 1
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Fair enough! Just trying to put another perspective out there. It's not all folks flying to Malia for a cheap holiday..

Didn't describe it as a predicament, just that there were many unanswered questions.