Covid-19: Everyone 'has to play their part' in lockdown easing, says Hancock
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But it is too soon to say when social distancing rules will be relaxed, the health secretary says.
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Let's hope that 2022 is better than 2020 and 2021!
Yes, and there's still hope that 2021 will be better than 2020, as we will go into this autumn with adults vaccinated and therefore hopefully without the threat of restrictions.
Hopefully but this isn't going to happen unless the abolish all of the border restrictions. There is no normal until there is free movement into and out of the country with no tests, isolation and locater forms.
Millions of livelihoods depend on the travel sector and millions of families are being torn apart by us being caged on this island.
Millions of livelihoods depend on the travel sector and millions of families are being torn apart by us being caged on this island.
I find it rather peculiar that anyone should mark down your comment, banal as it is.
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Actually, I am only just into 2021 and still looking forward to it!
Everyone has their part to play....so none of this is our fault.
Everyone apart from politicians and celebrities that seem to think the rules don't apply to them.
But remember folks; "we're all in this together"
Yeah, whatever Hancock. You know what you can do with your threats
But remember folks; "we're all in this together"
Yeah, whatever Hancock. You know what you can do with your threats
Some of this is very much the fault of those who flouted sensible restrictions
Yawn.
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Or to see parents in Cornwall. Or having a birthday party. Or travelling to Scotland by train. Or meeting one's lover at home. Or visiting your second home in Scotland. Perhaps it's too much to expect these so-called 'celebrities' and politicians to abide by the rules, eh? Of course, by only calling out Cummings and no-one else, your posting smacks just a wee bit of hypocrisy, no?
If the numbers keep falling at their present rate restrictions must be lifted sooner. Businesses are collapsing, mental health is at an all time low and every day counts.
I agree. The hidden problems, especially mental health, I think will start to come out after lockdown. My depression and anxiety have both got worse in the past 2 weeks, so yes every day counts
Including these ridiculous face masks, once they’re no longer required by law they will disappear overnight, they are not part of the British culture and never will be.
Everything except for covid is in crisis right now. We aren’t just a covid society.
Totally agree. Boris and the government have taken too much direct control of our lives. Way too much now.
The people should decide what level of inconvenience and behavioural changes they feel are necessary
The government should just provide good, accurate information so that we the people can make informed decisions as to whether we need to go further with changes, or can instead relax.
The people should decide what level of inconvenience and behavioural changes they feel are necessary
The government should just provide good, accurate information so that we the people can make informed decisions as to whether we need to go further with changes, or can instead relax.
Just look at the rates now and compare them to last August.
When the rates get down to that level perhaps things can be relaxed.
We are still a VERY long way off that happening. Go and look at the data.
When the rates get down to that level perhaps things can be relaxed.
We are still a VERY long way off that happening. Go and look at the data.
The numbers IN hospital are the most important ones and they are still around the level of the peak last April.
Our doctors are getting better at keeping Covid-19 patients alive, that means they are in hospital longer.
If we unlock too quickly and infections rise, the NHS may be doomed to be over-whelmed before anyone can respond to slow the rise in the rate of infection.
Our doctors are getting better at keeping Covid-19 patients alive, that means they are in hospital longer.
If we unlock too quickly and infections rise, the NHS may be doomed to be over-whelmed before anyone can respond to slow the rise in the rate of infection.
You'd be the first to complain when we end up in another lockdown...
Given that the 'modelling' (guesswork) from Imperial College has been consistently inaccurate throughout the whole of this pandemic it seems bizarre that the government are still using it to determine how we unlock - I'm all for following data but not when it originates from Neil Ferguson who has hugely overestimated deaths from every virus he's tried to model.
That's what people said in December and it turned out to make things worse.
It should be data driven and only data driven.
It should be data driven and only data driven.
Cases are rising slightly in Scotland and the Zoe app is reporting similar more broadly.
Thanks to the younger being more likely to be hospitalised with the variants their numbers are counteracting the reduction in elderly hospitalisations thanks to the virus. The net result there is they're only falling as fast as the original wave.
It does need more time, but this is the final stretch!
Thanks to the younger being more likely to be hospitalised with the variants their numbers are counteracting the reduction in elderly hospitalisations thanks to the virus. The net result there is they're only falling as fast as the original wave.
It does need more time, but this is the final stretch!
It seems to be right wingers whose mental health is suffering. At it is people like the CRG who seem least able to cope with their own company by staying at home.
Why have numbers been hovering around the same number for many days.
59 down votes says it all about the people commenting on this website. Bed wetters who won't leave the house until the cases are zero.
They are falling BECAUSE we have the restrictions. Have we not seen what happens when they are lifted twice in the recent past? You probably can't get your brain around this but you are arguing to EXTEND the restrictions!
Just wonder if you were part of the crowd moaning at the restrictions being loosened too soon last time?
The current rate of 11% in a week?
It’s in times like this we should rue the divisions that have been sown for a long time by powers that be who profit from them (e.g. media outlets and past/present politicians).
Many problems right now with getting everyone on board and looking out for one another stems from a society where we just fight and blame each other rather than cooperate, but those sowing divisions are most at fault.
Many problems right now with getting everyone on board and looking out for one another stems from a society where we just fight and blame each other rather than cooperate, but those sowing divisions are most at fault.
Well said thank you
Actually, the problems that we now have stem from Boris letting his mate Cummings off scott free while telling us plebs to follow the rules and do as our betters tell us. All this could've been avoided if he had eviscerated his mate publically and had him and his family locked up. Instead the people collectively decided that since it was fine for them to ignore the 'rules' then screw them.
Well said, but to be honest a lot of the decent people in this country are bored of carrying the thickos.
You are absolutely right
I agree and I point the finger of most blame at the BBC, whose divisiveness is so debilitating to so many ordinary people of all communities.
Yeah, thanks to brexit and the issues that the politicians and daily mail etc publicly endorsed that I doubt the divisions will be healed any time soon. especially when we are still going ahead with this national attempt at self harm
I find that when a team ends up wanting to all go in different directions, 99 times out of a 100, poor leadership is to blame.
A lot of the problem comes with having a two party system. One in power, the other in opposition. It creates division, conflict, the blame game and distrust of politicians.
We need to shift to a system where parties have to work together more. Proportional representation would be a good start.
We need to shift to a system where parties have to work together more. Proportional representation would be a good start.
But surely the boomers are to blame.
The constant creation of factions to separate us is dreadful and it seems any on here agree. But it won't change anything.
Worst unemployment for 5 years but no discussion on how and why things improved. Just headlines showing the young most effected.
As if last in first out is a new concept.
The constant creation of factions to separate us is dreadful and it seems any on here agree. But it won't change anything.
Worst unemployment for 5 years but no discussion on how and why things improved. Just headlines showing the young most effected.
As if last in first out is a new concept.
Not necessarily. Situation-related crime was rampant during WWII, despite the blitz spirit propaganda.
Stop buying one sided newspapers. Seek balance especially on social media that will drive you in one direction if you allow it too. Empathy is needed by all. Whatever happened to the centre ground?
“where we just fight and blame each other rather than cooperate, but those sowing divisions are most at fault.”
Stuff you and your racist country
You were not worried about division before CV19
You loved it
Now you are scared
Well you get no help from us
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Stuff you and your racist country
You were not worried about division before CV19
You loved it
Now you are scared
Well you get no help from us
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Is that not just a side effect of democracy & free speech, where individuals are allowed to have their own opinions and views.
One way to counter this may be to ensure educational standards for all, so that we can collectively make better, more meaningful decisions.
Or do we return to Victorian values of knowing our place and doing what we're told when we're told.
One way to counter this may be to ensure educational standards for all, so that we can collectively make better, more meaningful decisions.
Or do we return to Victorian values of knowing our place and doing what we're told when we're told.
Well if an individual is dim witted enough to believe a politician or even worse a journalist and unable to form their own ideas and act upon them that individual deserves the fate they manufacture for themselves.
Tony Blair must always have a say. Best PM we ever had.
Still not sure how having a meal with my partner is more risky than a thousand children meeting daily with after-school clubs
Risks are cumulative. That's the point of prioritisation
1750 in my school, plus 200 staff and round 30 visitors a day....
Because having a meal with your partner is deemed less essential than after-school clubs. Our social lives aren't prioritised over getting kids back out in the fresh air and mixing with their friends. Adults have more advanced coping mechanisms than children
Because it wouldn't be just you and your partner having a meal. It would be hundreds and thousands of adults having meals and that is the risk. Classic self centred comment.
It isnt, but, the education of our children is more important than both you and your partner. This isnt all about you.
It isn’t , but that’s not the point is it. 1000000 people having meals tips the balance the wrong way. Social meals are less important than education
you can have a meal with your partner in your house.
Whether you agree or disagree with the 'road map' you have to play your part. If not, don't complain, it was your choice.
Prof Whitty keeps talking about an acceptable level of deaths and refers to the 20,000 a year that society has accepted for flu.
I just worry that as soon as deaths start creeping up next winter that the snowflakes, the Brexiteers and the woke will start bleating on social media about a few thousand deaths and the government will cave in again and start adding further restrictions. Removed
I just worry that as soon as deaths start creeping up next winter that the snowflakes, the Brexiteers and the woke will start bleating on social media about a few thousand deaths and the government will cave in again and start adding further restrictions. Removed
True, but the exit road does not purely depend on 'how people behave'. It depends on Hancock and his opposite numbers in the devolved govts sorting out the NHS problem which recurs every winter, regardless of Covid. The NHS exists to look after the people, not the other way round.
We had a "choice" did we? I must have missed the word "choice" I thought it was compulsion enforced by the Police.
If everyone had 'played their part' it's unlikely we would still be in lockdown now!
But too many people think that the rules don't apply to them or simply don't care!
But too many people think that the rules don't apply to them or simply don't care!
Lets hope that someone investigates the cronyism and corruption in the Tory party ASAP.
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Cronyism is not solely linked to the Conservative party. Remember when senior Labour party members were side-lined e.g. Tom Watson.
Do you really think that this just applied to the Tories
It's all parties
It's all parties
I'm certain that's already happening, but thanks for the top-tip.
They're getting out there fast, but we need to be seeing second vaccines much much faster.
It's an epidemiological fallacy that 1000 people given first dose is better than having 500 being given full doses. Why? Because the effectiveness is an average, and there are many outliers on the curve, making the stats on dose 1 unreliable - far less so with dose 2.
It's an epidemiological fallacy that 1000 people given first dose is better than having 500 being given full doses. Why? Because the effectiveness is an average, and there are many outliers on the curve, making the stats on dose 1 unreliable - far less so with dose 2.
After the Easter exodus to the beaches, cases will rise dramatically. This will result in all of the dates being pushed back. We all have a responsibility in this.
Beaches should never have opened. This is the problem. There are too many people that ignore the risks thinking it will never happen to them.
I just hope Uni's stay shut until September. If they go back I can see them partying again.
I just hope Uni's stay shut until September. If they go back I can see them partying again.
The cases didn't rise after beach visits last year, do some research before you post such tripe!
Prof Mark Woolhouse 'There were no outbreaks linked to crowded beaches' 18/02/2021. You're spreading falsehoods
By which time the people that are most likely to die or be hospitalised will be vaccinated and protected.
you won't catch Covid at the beach.
I get the desire to open up early, we have (nearly) all played our part in lockdown.
Almost there folks let's see this through by continuing to do the right thing.
Almost there folks let's see this through by continuing to do the right thing.
Lets hope people will act sensibly whilst the vaccine rollout is continuing. People need to understand that this news can be reversed and it will only be themselves to blame.
Lets hope more people stick to the rules this time and this is the final lockdown!
Obviously those providing down ticks were not following the rules.
People ignore that the legislation expires in March 2020 so there's little chance of there being another ongoing lockdown in law anyway.
But now minimising deaths and minimising deaths alone have become establishied the only criteria that matters as far as the debate goes ...
... that's now established the rationale which means we will have to lock down and mask up every winter for flu, etc, from now on.
... that's now established the rationale which means we will have to lock down and mask up every winter for flu, etc, from now on.
You won't permanently reduce spread with temporary rules, only immunity can do that (preferably through vaccination)
The vast majority of people have stuck to the rules.
The issue has been that the government got out of its depth very quickly as it is full of the privately educated who have never had to punch a clock at six on a cold winter's morning.
The issue has been that the government got out of its depth very quickly as it is full of the privately educated who have never had to punch a clock at six on a cold winter's morning.
The vast majority have all been following the rules from the start too many planks like you believe the government and its state controlled media that its the publics fault when failure by Govt/NHS is the essential cause (40% of infections caught in hospitals) Wise up !
They could make a song out of that!
Everyone has a part to play .... hmm this pantomime has gone on quite enough
Madam twanky & his merry band
Madam twanky & his merry band
No they are members of the opposition.
Too many people have completely ignored the Lockdown #3 rules.
If caught they should be made to pay back any furlough money or other public funds they have received directly or through their employer.
If caught they should be made to pay back any furlough money or other public funds they have received directly or through their employer.
Yeah loads, thats why all the rates are dropping..................
It’s in times like this we should rue the divisions that have been sown for a long time by powers that be who profit from them (e.g. media outlets and past/present politicians).
Many problems right now with getting everyone on board and looking out for one another stems from a society where we just fight and blame each other rather than cooperate, but those sowing divisions are most at fault.
Many problems right now with getting everyone on board and looking out for one another stems from a society where we just fight and blame each other rather than cooperate, but those sowing divisions are most at fault.
Pretty arrogant of Matt Hancock to say everyone should follow the rules when he failed to declare certain things (I think that is the most I can say without getting this comment removed!)
The rules need to be much clearer. In this article it says "travel outside local area allowed" from March 29th, but another BBC article this morning said this, and then later said "you must stay local where possible". What's that mean? Can I travel for sport? Recreation? or is it just work and essential travel?
The fact you are asking means that you are intending to break the rules whatever they are.
you can travel thousands of miles if you go to the airport
The government should save these types of announcements for April 1st.
None of us believe a word they say.
None of us believe a word they say.
Very helpful and insightful comment.
They are bound to move the goalposts. Its absolutely inevitable
What happens if we follow the roadmap only to find the exit locked when we get there?
To make good laws you need parliamentary scrutiny.
With this detailed plan now in place there will be no excuse for the continued use of emergency powers under the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984.
With this detailed plan now in place there will be no excuse for the continued use of emergency powers under the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984.
"To make good laws you need parliamentary scrutiny." So when you want to do something you know is a good idea, you always go to a forum where everyone disagrees with it on principle and let those people prevent you from doing it? No you do not. In this context "scrutiny" means disagreement and delay, not helpful particularly if decisions are time limited.
Open the Public Conveniences!
Alcohol is a stain on society and should be removed for ever.
Of course everyone has to play their part. This has never been a problem throughout this ordeal.
The issue has been almost perpetual bumbling incompetence from this always promising government. The R rate was above one since late July last year until now.
The hope now is that they have grabbed the sticky end of their wand and will do a proper job rather than flap around like a wind-vane.
The issue has been almost perpetual bumbling incompetence from this always promising government. The R rate was above one since late July last year until now.
The hope now is that they have grabbed the sticky end of their wand and will do a proper job rather than flap around like a wind-vane.
The R rate is not as important if the number of cases is low. In New Zealand they have recently had to impose a lockdown. No mention of this on the BBC.
"This has never been a problem throughout this ordeal"
Except it was wasn't it? Anybody with an ounce of common sense could understand Government guidance, but there were far too many who chose to question it because of their own anti-Government agendas.
Except it was wasn't it? Anybody with an ounce of common sense could understand Government guidance, but there were far too many who chose to question it because of their own anti-Government agendas.
I'll be suprised if we don't see significant numbers of people taking the Road Map announcement as being some kind of permission to be immediately less observant of the current restrictions.
It's unfortunate, but sadly inevitable.
It's unfortunate, but sadly inevitable.
Yeah that's the danger, but notice the dates are "at the earliest" i wouldn't be surprised if there is some slippage.
It was pretty much a free for all at my local park this weekend because of the good weather and flowers budding.
Still we are not allowed to complain about "families or children" who are "bored"...
Still we are not allowed to complain about "families or children" who are "bored"...
I was thinking this. And because it was prefaced with 'must meet criteria'
When the dates inevitably slip be prepared for the metro, Sun and mail headlines of 'Boris goes back on his word'
When the dates inevitably slip be prepared for the metro, Sun and mail headlines of 'Boris goes back on his word'
Yes, and as usual those that follow the rules are the ones that suffer as restrictions are extended
Unfortunately I think your correct. Look at the amount of people booking holidays now and if there is something that stalks the roadmap these people will be the first to have a go at the government. I think a lot of people are taking the dates as gospel. I would rather take time to come out of lockdown and be sure we don't have another than rush the coming out of this lockdown
Mass disobedience will mean the dates will come forward if anything. Bit opening hospitality for several more weeks is a disgrace, very little cases came from there (mainly hospitals & care homes) they proved they could open safely last summer, following the data/science proves that. Remember most of these places are small businesses suffering severe financial hardship.
Hows the view up there hovering above the rest of us?
Are you whiter than white?
Are you whiter than white?
Just wish people would stop pushing for fixed dates.it just cant happen because this virus mutates and changes everything when it does.the main problem is the selfishness and stupidity of some of the population who refuse to obey simple rules and carry on as if nothing is wrong.
Well, I wish we could all afford to be in lockdown forever, like you
The idiots who break the rules now will take the dates as gospel. The rest of us who have followed the rules throughout understand that these dates depend on peoples behaviour and science. I for one foresee it taking longer because of aforesaid idiots. I will continue keeping my distance until I feel safe to mingle.
as holiday bookings go up 500% on the day of the announcement.
Too true. Yesterday's announcement was a schedule not an elimination of all current restrictions.
Dear BBC website editor,
Surely the sub heading within your article when referring to the cautious projection should read,
Lockdown easing : POSSIBLE dates
so as not to confuse people and cause some of them to dash out to the perceived openings and cause another lockdown.
Surely the sub heading within your article when referring to the cautious projection should read,
Lockdown easing : POSSIBLE dates
so as not to confuse people and cause some of them to dash out to the perceived openings and cause another lockdown.
Can I continue to wear a face mask forever please, as i've quite enjoyed wearing one because im an anti-social sod. Surely that will help?
Please do, don't troll or expect others to when masks are not mandated
I heard it was because of halitosis you liked wearing it lol
I quite like wearing mine. Not because I'm anti-social but I am done suffering as many cun7s as I have to.
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In six months time, everyone will be mask free, except you and me. You with your face covering, me with my black leather full face mask with ball gag, we'll make a lovely pair.
That will put the cosmetics companies and possibly a lot of so-called "influencers" hopefully, out of business.
The fact that you are a miserable g*t should be seen as an exception, most people cannot wait to get rid of the gag and be able to smile and communicate with people
well I'll be wearing one if I go into work and I find the people I work with are coughing and spluttering everywhere not using tissues and washing her hands which happens
The BBC has no sense of humour and removed my tongue-in-cheek comments. Oh dear how sad the BBC is.
I doubt if they will outlaw wearing a mask.
But - in our society we tend to see it as important to see one another's faces, and hiding yours when it is not essential is not great, and probably not in your interest for being part of our society.
But - in our society we tend to see it as important to see one another's faces, and hiding yours when it is not essential is not great, and probably not in your interest for being part of our society.
Well it would be beneficial for everyone else ... if you what I mean ...
Unfortunately there are too many who genuinely love lockdown. They'll be sorry to see it go.
The same sort of people who begged to have the army on the streets, forcing people to stay in their homes. Literally BEGGED to be kept prisoner.
Very, very disturbing... but fortunately the rest of us will have no more truck with this nonsense and demand the return of normal life.
The same sort of people who begged to have the army on the streets, forcing people to stay in their homes. Literally BEGGED to be kept prisoner.
Very, very disturbing... but fortunately the rest of us will have no more truck with this nonsense and demand the return of normal life.
mine only gets worn as a 'shopping passport' and I have no intention of 'normalising' the damn' thing
I think we'd all be glad if you did
Especialy those who have lost everything for something not their fault.
Still not sure how having a meal with my partner is more risky than a thousand children meeting daily with after-school clubs
the country will rise from this.
STAY POSITIVE, there are good times ahead!
STAY POSITIVE, there are good times ahead!
Oh give it a rest
It's a cold, it's a problem for the NHS. Most people can do their bit without going oveboard and making it out to be some major catastrophe
If you're in good health and under 60 it's no biggie
Unconstrained, only 1% of people would die, most already near the end of their lives anyway
All the restrictions are just to protect the underfunded NHS
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It's a cold, it's a problem for the NHS. Most people can do their bit without going oveboard and making it out to be some major catastrophe
If you're in good health and under 60 it's no biggie
Unconstrained, only 1% of people would die, most already near the end of their lives anyway
All the restrictions are just to protect the underfunded NHS
This isn't Ebola Removed
Surely we should stay negative...
Hope so but you have, like many in the media, forgotten brexit.
Yay the Brexit bounce. How is that going?
Not for those who have had their lives and opportunities wrecked from them or for those who have been kept apart from dying loved ones with conditions not involving viruses, or for those who have died who shouldn't have because of lack of access to the correct medical services. Or women encountering new discrimination or kids in danger of growing up in a police state. Shame on this government.
Lets hope that someone investigates the cronyism and corruption in the Tory party ASAP.
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As soon as I'm no longer required to wear a mask by law, I will remove it when shopping or on public transport. I will not accept a new norm, as suggested by Mr Hancock, that wearing a mask using public transport could be expected. Control of this virus should be no different to that of controlling flu.
Agree. The UK is a democracy not an oppressive police state.
Sadly the consequences of Covid are worse than those of flu ... and when the next serious variant comes round, if you catch it you'll be spreading it ... thanks a bunch!
Too slow on family and friends contact (even if it's just outside). Same mistakes as last year, it's simply not tenable to say you can meet your family in a park but not in their garden. People will take matters into their own hands and rightfully so.
You say family and friends contact is going too slow then contradict yourself by saying the same mistakes as last year - last year we eased restrictions too quickly resulting in further lockdowns while the approach this year is to proceed with caution and hopefully never have to lockdown again.
Which would you prefer?
Which would you prefer?
Two simple things to end this;
Don't catch it
Don't spread it
Fairly easy to follow existing rules
Don't catch it
Don't spread it
Fairly easy to follow existing rules
The existing rules are not watertight. They fail to inform people precisely what they need to avoid. Everyone should look at the WHOs Avoid the 3Cs campaign. I am much more aware of situations that I need to avoid when outside. Following the rules to the letter without each one of us considering the immediate risk each situation presents is crazy.
The rules dont prevent you catching it or spreading it they just minimise both. The reality is that we are trying to minimise the spread while waiting for the vaccine rollout - essentially trading off the economic impact against the number of cases. Not as simple as you seem to believe.
From the start I've taken a simple approach. Where possible don't let anyone breath on you and don't breath on anyone else.
The rules don't stop it, they just minimise the risk.
My sister and her husband have both had it and guess what they got it from there son who got it from school.
There son had no symptoms and the only reason they found out that any of them had it, is because there son had another issue which he had to go to hospital for and was tested.
So how did the rules help them?
Simply put they didn't!
My sister and her husband have both had it and guess what they got it from there son who got it from school.
There son had no symptoms and the only reason they found out that any of them had it, is because there son had another issue which he had to go to hospital for and was tested.
So how did the rules help them?
Simply put they didn't!
What rules? There's the law and then there's Whitty's and Hancock's guidelines.
They are not the same!
I can get in my car, drive 200 miles away, go for a three hour walk and drive back again, all within the law.
The guidelines can be ignored without breaking the law.
They are not the same!
I can get in my car, drive 200 miles away, go for a three hour walk and drive back again, all within the law.
The guidelines can be ignored without breaking the law.
Simple answers to complex questions I think you'll find, if not catching it means living in total isolation for months on end, and not spreading it means not being able to work and keep a roof over your head. Amazing amount of people who oversimplify and trivialise the tough choices people have to make, while they sit at home on full pay in their nice house with a garden and family nearby etc.
I think the main issue is not that people don't understand the simple rules, it's them deliberately choosing not to follow them!
The rules need to be much clearer. In this article it says "travel outside local area allowed" from March 29th, but another BBC article this morning said this, and then later said "you must stay local where possible". What's that mean? Can I travel for sport? Recreation? or is it just work and essential travel?
It’s in times like this we should rue the divisions that have been sown for a long time by powers that be who profit from them (e.g. media outlets and past/present politicians).
Many problems right now with getting everyone on board and looking out for one another stems from a society where we just fight and blame each other rather than cooperate, but those sowing divisions are most at fault.
Many problems right now with getting everyone on board and looking out for one another stems from a society where we just fight and blame each other rather than cooperate, but those sowing divisions are most at fault.
Actually, the problems that we now have stem from Boris letting his mate Cummings off scott free while telling us plebs to follow the rules and do as our betters tell us. All this could've been avoided if he had eviscerated his mate publically and had him and his family locked up. Instead the people collectively decided that since it was fine for them to ignore the 'rules' then screw them.
Utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter utter drivel
This is the very division the original poster is talking about.
You really think the Briitish chip-on-your-shoulder attitude started because of Dominic Cummins?
Are you studying for an ancient History qualification by any chance ? A story so old it was found engraved on Greek tablets.
'Boris letting his mate off scott free'....
Another case of blaming others as an excuse, instead of taking responsibility for one's actions.
Another case of blaming others as an excuse, instead of taking responsibility for one's actions.
Think it is slightly wider than than that but no doubt hypocrisy at the highest levels in government (or anywhere) does have a negative effect. Leading is by example and they didn't.
You are doing exactly what the OP said - blaming others. Yes Bo Jo, Cummings, many politicians of all sides, celebrities and others in the public eye have broken the rules, but that's no excuse for anyone else to. And it's disingenuous to use them as a target to blame for all our woes.
And the downvotes to this show that people here are merely paying lip service to the idea we should cooperate. As soon as someone mentions Bojo's incompetence (something we should all be able to unite on), folk revert to tribal instincts and the divisions are laid bare once more.
A complete logical fallacy. Just because some one does something of which you or I disapprove does not negate our responsibility to not do the same. If you and others are honest then you will admit you disliked the man way before his transgression, I did. What I didn't do is construct a mendacious narrative only that serves confirmation bias and a political agenda.
Sparhawke
I have a moral compass that does not rely on others to establish my approach to a situation.
If your lack of morals and social responsibility looks for a 'get out' to excuse poor behaviour, shame on you.
Let Cummings and the authorities be responsible for his behaviour and you for yours.
Some people get away with murder. Does that allow you to kill someone? I think not.
I have a moral compass that does not rely on others to establish my approach to a situation.
If your lack of morals and social responsibility looks for a 'get out' to excuse poor behaviour, shame on you.
Let Cummings and the authorities be responsible for his behaviour and you for yours.
Some people get away with murder. Does that allow you to kill someone? I think not.
Cummings is out of there. Get over it!
Ha ha ha that narrative is long forgotten mate. The BBC nearly cracked for you, most open collusion with Mirror, Guardian and Independent I've ever seen, but they could quite make it stick.
Lets hope that someone investigates the cronyism and corruption in the Tory party ASAP.
Removed
Would very much like to see the Police forces Met A&S Mersey West Mids all offer apologies and reflect on the way they have policed thIs Covid year and request public support with a promise never to behave the way they have ......
A young lad couldn't of put it better yesterdsy as i went for my companies weekly covid test he said "this whole thing only works if we all do it" well said.
Completely wrong.
It's a matter of statistics
It just needs enough people, on average, to modify their behaviour appropriately
It's not all or nothing
Some people need to calm down, relax and look at the science
Don't get worked up if some people are doing less than others. It's the average that matters
On average society will settle on the balance society wants
Chill out.
It's a matter of statistics
It just needs enough people, on average, to modify their behaviour appropriately
It's not all or nothing
Some people need to calm down, relax and look at the science
Don't get worked up if some people are doing less than others. It's the average that matters
On average society will settle on the balance society wants
Chill out.
Trouble is Hancock, Boris, Patel etc have zero moral authority to blame other people when they themselves have acted in breach of ministerial duties, or even broken the law, and let off people like Cummings who clearly breached Covid rules!
CLOWNS, CONS, CORRUPTION
CLOWNS, CONS, CORRUPTION
I just wish the 4 "experts" who voted you down would at least justify their comments because right now they look pretty stupid
But not everyone will do it. Any restrictions that require a high amount of compliance are doomed to fail. There's people who will try their best, those who aren't bothered and those who actively disagree. And in an open, democratic society, no one is right or wrong there.
No being pernickety but...
It's "HAVE" not "OF" !!!
How on earth do you "of" something and why on earth do some people say that !!!
Genuinely curious as to why these days so many on social media say things like "could of", "should of" & "would of" etc... as it makes no sense and where did people pick up this strange use of the word "of" from instead of using "have" or it's abbreviated terms ???
It's "HAVE" not "OF" !!!
How on earth do you "of" something and why on earth do some people say that !!!
Genuinely curious as to why these days so many on social media say things like "could of", "should of" & "would of" etc... as it makes no sense and where did people pick up this strange use of the word "of" from instead of using "have" or it's abbreviated terms ???
Oddly its the vaccine that will allow us to reach a less locked down steady state, not the rules. Have you learnt nothing from three lockdowns?
You can rely on the teaching unions to act on ideology and try to sabotage government approach
You can definitely rely on teaching unions to act in the interest of its members rather than those of Party of the Rich and their wealthy donors...
And you can always rely on a Tory government to act on ideology and try to sabotage a union approach.
imagine blaming teachers of all people for the Government's incompetence!
overworked, underpaid, crucial to our kid's futures... but it must be them who is to blame for Boris' gang of buffoons. Christ on a bike
overworked, underpaid, crucial to our kid's futures... but it must be them who is to blame for Boris' gang of buffoons. Christ on a bike
hopefully things will be back to normal once all students are vaccinated
The union has a job to do.
It isn't the job of "implementing government policy", just as much as it is not its job to wash my car.
You can rely on paid torybots to fill HYS with some travesty of idelogical nonsense, worse than Trump's tweets, and devoid of any base, logic, substance, fact or thought.
It isn't the job of "implementing government policy", just as much as it is not its job to wash my car.
You can rely on paid torybots to fill HYS with some travesty of idelogical nonsense, worse than Trump's tweets, and devoid of any base, logic, substance, fact or thought.
Especialy those who have lost everything for something not their fault.
I'll be suprised if we don't see significant numbers of people taking the Road Map announcement as being some kind of permission to be immediately less observant of the current restrictions.
It's unfortunate, but sadly inevitable.
It's unfortunate, but sadly inevitable.
I would be surprised if there is not - the track record is hardly good, always sunny times just a few more months out (let the crocuses bloom). But here's hoping
I don’t think it’s that likely because if you look at the four tests they are actually very easy to meet.
The government will already know if they have enough doses for the vaccination programme to continue at the rate they require and we have the data showing the vaccinations are effect already so it’s really only a new variant that could cause a delay and with cases low that’s less likely.
The government will already know if they have enough doses for the vaccination programme to continue at the rate they require and we have the data showing the vaccinations are effect already so it’s really only a new variant that could cause a delay and with cases low that’s less likely.
Do you really think that many people actually heard that part. Just like they stopped listening after "1 metre", they stopped listening after the date.
If/when dates slip the masses (tabloid press) will accuse the Government of a U-turn and breaking their promise that they can go to nightclubs and have a foreign holiday this summer.
If/when dates slip the masses (tabloid press) will accuse the Government of a U-turn and breaking their promise that they can go to nightclubs and have a foreign holiday this summer.
The dates are "at the earliest", but that's not how it was reported on the mainstream news last night. They were just saying things like "from x, y will be allowed". It was infuriating!
I wouldn't be surprised if the opposition parties claim they were announced as hard and fast dates with all the usual bs accisations of broken promises, government ineptitude, lies etc. when those dates pass and restrictions are still in place.
Part to play...
the look on my kids face knowing they might have to wear a mask for 50 hrs a week in school
Home school has never been asked for so much and can’t argue either , well not right now , two tests a week & masks , to much for this family I’m afraid
They will immunise but not that
Beyond our tolerance
the look on my kids face knowing they might have to wear a mask for 50 hrs a week in school
Home school has never been asked for so much and can’t argue either , well not right now , two tests a week & masks , to much for this family I’m afraid
They will immunise but not that
Beyond our tolerance
It's good practice for when we finally become an Islamic State I guess...total government control, no pubs and covering our faces in public :)
50 hours a week in school? 35 max I would have thought. If it protects the families of the people they are in contact with then they should be willing to do it. Many others have to wear a mask for a lot longer. Maybe stop swaying their opinions against public service
Still not sure how having a meal with my partner is more risky than a thousand children meeting daily with after-school clubs
Everyone doesn't "have a part to play". There's one part and that's the responsibility of the government - Get the vaccine delivered.
Someone doesn't have a clue...
140 million doses don't appear overnight.
Even after development and safety testing, if you produced one dose every single second 24/7 it would take 4.5 years to make 140 million doses - and that just supplies the UK.
Even after development and safety testing, if you produced one dose every single second 24/7 it would take 4.5 years to make 140 million doses - and that just supplies the UK.
What design is yours Barrie?
Can we include people who are ugly on the inside too please. I'm sure you'll find plenty of company.
well we can all be sure you'll be wearing one forever.
Trolling is so much fun. You can see from the replies who doesn't have a sense of humour.
People aren't really socially distancing where I live, not outdoors anyway. Problem is too many people and not enough open green space.
We all have a art to play so if it goes wrong its our fault. And yet we have absolutely no say in what should happen. Democracy?
Everyone has had a part to play in the pandemic since the very start.
The problem has been that some have played their parts far far less than others or not even at all!
The problem has been that some have played their parts far far less than others or not even at all!
29th of March above it says "travel out of local area allowed" yesterday BBC published "stay at home order ends but people encouraged to stay local wherever they can".
So what is correct ?
So what is correct ?
The regulations do not include any reference to staying local. It is purely guidance.
Both are correct. One of the reasons we had these lockdowns was because people are incapable of following guidance and so instead it was mandated by laws. It wouldn't have been needed in previous generations, but it is required by the bubble wrapped society of today.
If you can’t understand the difference then I suggest you head back to school
The rules need to be much clearer. In this article it says "travel outside local area allowed" from March 29th, but another BBC article this morning said this, and then later said "you must stay local where possible". What's that mean? Can I travel for sport? Recreation? or is it just work and essential travel?
Still not sure how having a meal with my partner is more risky than a thousand children meeting daily with after-school clubs
Will MH be held accountable for his illegal activities, or BJ stop lying? These are what makes me distrustful, of this kind of individuals who are in charge of making decisions about how I live my life; when are we going to wake up & see damage done to hardworking people whose family live abroad - deaths, marriages all missed over last year - I am not a criminal, yet it is legal to lock us down?
Would you be happy with the NHS overwhelmed, double or triple the number of people dead, society in collapse just so you could do what you want, I'd rather swap 12 or 18 months of hardship now for a future.
That includes you Hancock as well to start by getting our millions back from those suspicious PPE contracts which you unlawfully authorised, so get cracking on the road Map to clawing it back.
Where is the logic in teachers (and school ancilliary staff) not being prioritised for vaccination before schools reopen? Children of all ages can be superspreaders without having symptoms. Crazy.
hope they start vaccinating at all schools. the young have the highest covid rates
Why more important than police, fire brigade, food retailers, food manufacturers, public transport workers etc. As long as the independent guidance is followed then I don't see a reason for teachers being prioritised. Apparently no evidence more at risk and of course the older or more vulnerable the earlier they will be vaccinated
If the numbers keep falling at their present rate restrictions must be lifted sooner. Businesses are collapsing, mental health is at an all time low and every day counts.
If the numbers keep falling at their present rate restrictions must be lifted sooner. Businesses are collapsing, mental health is at an all time low and every day counts.
Isn't it amazing how the far right now suddenly care about peoples mental health.
How the hell can 17 people down vote someone telling the truth? Have a look at yourselves. If your mental health hasn't suffered over the last year, then count yourself very lucky. And get some compassion.
Try being older and every second, every year counts but it's still better to be alive than dead.
Humans need to stop breeding like rats....totally fed up with incessant droning of parents with 3+ children moaning about having to look after their own brood for a change. There was some woman from Bristol on the BBC complaining there weren't enough laptops for her 6 children !!! To make it even funnier, she was an immigrant and expected us to but them for her - you really couldn't make it up.
England 49m square miles, population 54m so that is just over 1.1 people per square mile.
London 611 sq miles, population 9m so that is 141square yards per person. The most populous and congested part of the UK
London 611 sq miles, population 9m so that is 141square yards per person. The most populous and congested part of the UK
Let's sit tight, get on with it, and look forward to the better times that are coming soon. We are nearly there.
But the authoritarians will play the pandemic card again and again in the future. This was a trial run and they successfully brainwashed the majority of people.
Of course we all need to.play our part. We can never succeed otherwise. For certain, if some people play fast and loose, all of us will pay the price.
If the numbers keep falling at their present rate restrictions must be lifted sooner. Businesses are collapsing, mental health is at an all time low and every day counts.
And there is no hard scientific evidence to support them - unless you get your science from memes on Facebook
If the numbers keep falling at their present rate restrictions must be lifted sooner. Businesses are collapsing, mental health is at an all time low and every day counts.
The thickos won’t though will they?
Bored of carrying them.
Bored of carrying them.
I think it's got more to do with arrogance than intelligence.
Just under half the population are below average intelligence!
It’s more about not living in a country where almost everything that matters in day-to-day life is ruled by the authorities, central government, local government(almost as remote as central government for many of us) and the police All of whom appear arrogantly to know better than the rest of us
You might want to point to the ethnic minorities who don't socially distance or want the vaccine.
Suppose we aren't allowed to say this though as its "waycist"
Suppose we aren't allowed to say this though as its "waycist"
You mean like all those people who were shoulder to shoulder when Nike Town opened its stores last year..?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-53053236
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-53053236
Utter twaddle, teachers are embarrassed by the actions of their unions. The teaching unions have degraded teaching from a respected profession to a trade. The vast majority of teachers tolerate the union only because membership is effectively compulsory.
A pity the “party of the poor” and their trade union supporters doesn’t have more to offer the electorate as an alternative government
Everyone doesn't "have a part to play". There's one part and that's the responsibility of the government - Get the vaccine delivered.
We need to get back to normal me thinks!
All the talk around this is all about what when and how things will be opened if things go well, but no talk about what when and how we’ll close if we need to. This is exactly like last time.
As soon as I'm no longer required to wear a mask by law, I will remove it when shopping or on public transport. I will not accept a new norm, as suggested by Mr Hancock, that wearing a mask using public transport could be expected. Control of this virus should be no different to that of controlling flu.
?? People are anxious
?? Businesses are desperate to re-open
?? Many, many have been affected by this terrible pandemic
?? Mental and physical health has suffered for many
?? We must show love and kindness to everyone ??
?? Businesses are desperate to re-open
?? Many, many have been affected by this terrible pandemic
?? Mental and physical health has suffered for many
?? We must show love and kindness to everyone ??
Please stop over egging Covid.
Facts. over 120,000 have sadly died NOT 65,000,000 to pretend otherwise is wrong.
Most, the vast majority have had mild to no symptoms - or brutally - you would not be here spreading untruths.
Johnson is very guilty of your same misdemeanour's. Get rid of him now.
Facts. over 120,000 have sadly died NOT 65,000,000 to pretend otherwise is wrong.
Most, the vast majority have had mild to no symptoms - or brutally - you would not be here spreading untruths.
Johnson is very guilty of your same misdemeanour's. Get rid of him now.
All nations of the UK need to get closer to each other on rules. I can see Wales opening tourism but still not allowing travel to wales from England/ Scotland. This is not workable, please speak as one voice.
It obviously is workable, because many people have been brainwashed into thinking that lockdowns are necessary and that this was a real health emergency in the first place.
I agree everyone needs to do their bit to get infections down. However, I have no respect for Hancock, a man the acts unlawfully, and refuses to accept this was a mistake.
This Government are all about division. That's how they came to power.
This Government are all about division. That's how they came to power.
How can anyone in their right mind be rushing to book holiday when it is (shamefully) still a crime to pay a social call on a couple of relatives or friends, and when residents in 'care homes' cannot be seen except under supervised 'prison visiting' conditions - one at a time, limited duration,
no touching under any circumstances? Get the absolute basics of everyday human life functioning first.
no touching under any circumstances? Get the absolute basics of everyday human life functioning first.
Why did he have to say anything?
Hancock just can't keep his bloody mouth shut can he eh??
Winds me up that bloke...
Hancock just can't keep his bloody mouth shut can he eh??
Winds me up that bloke...
Too many people have completely ignored the Lockdown #3 rules.
If caught they should be made to pay back any furlough money or other public funds they have received directly or through their employer.
If caught they should be made to pay back any furlough money or other public funds they have received directly or through their employer.
Cronyism is not solely linked to the Conservative party. Remember when senior Labour party members were side-lined e.g. Tom Watson.
If you are an old fart likely you voted for Dithering Doris at least once and he was distracted by getting Dave's Job, and Brexit and had his eye firmly off the ball
So actually it is your fault
So actually it is your fault
Hope the Good Law project continues to prove that the Tory government with their corruption and mismanagement are the problem not the solution.
One of the claims is a PPE contract provided to a US jewellery firm for £250 million who had no experience in large contracts and none in the medical arena. Though I can imagine a few nice backhanders were provided.
One of the claims is a PPE contract provided to a US jewellery firm for £250 million who had no experience in large contracts and none in the medical arena. Though I can imagine a few nice backhanders were provided.
Any evidence not having experience in specifics made any difference to the delivery of PPE and its quality.
Common sense says if you have a pandemic you need to increase production ... that means companies diversify ... JCB built ventilators and they worked ... are you saying JCB isn't allow to diversify and use its skills in areas that are needed ?
Common sense says if you have a pandemic you need to increase production ... that means companies diversify ... JCB built ventilators and they worked ... are you saying JCB isn't allow to diversify and use its skills in areas that are needed ?
Presumably people can't work with covid. Won't more people be off sick if we maintain a high infection rate. Won't this still be an issue for schools in terms of staffing and classes being sent home?