Sponsorship change to benefit amateurs
22/02/2021
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Amateur golfers will be allowed to accept sponsorship without restriction if significant changes just published are given the go ahead.
Money is still controlling access to golf. £535 max prize limit or turn professional?? Pathetic. Club membership is thousands, golf clubs and equipment, thousands. Win a comp and the prize won't even cover your green fees or travel expense of getting to event and playing. New talent is out there and never sees the light of competition because they've no money.
totally agree 535 quid doesnt seem minimum wage to me, frankly anyone should be able to earn up to 25k before being a professional ! Most elite ams have second and third jobs to try and make it. ! to play an event on the european tour can cost around 5k ! R&A being so forward thinking again....there asleep at the wheel as normal !
Club membership is not thousands and a good set of clubs last years.
I have believed for a very long time that Amateur should end Aged 18 or at m0st 21
After that all are just classed as players
Nobody ever wants Tennis or Cricket to revert to Amateur/Pro divisions
After that all are just classed as players
Nobody ever wants Tennis or Cricket to revert to Amateur/Pro divisions
Anyone who wishes to sponsor a 12 handicap 75 year old with a yippy short game should contact me urgently.
Just asking !!
Just asking !!
Long overdue. In fact, get rid of amateur status completely, an antiquated concept. Other sports haven’t suffered in the slightest!
Anyone who wishes to sponsor a 12 handicap 75 year old with a yippy short game should contact me urgently.
Just asking !!
Just asking !!
Probably jealous of his 12 handicap, why werthers? Ageist remark! But then I expect nothing less from you....
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Money is still controlling access to golf. £535 max prize limit or turn professional?? Pathetic. Club membership is thousands, golf clubs and equipment, thousands. Win a comp and the prize won't even cover your green fees or travel expense of getting to event and playing. New talent is out there and never sees the light of competition because they've no money.
totally agree 535 quid doesnt seem minimum wage to me, frankly anyone should be able to earn up to 25k before being a professional ! Most elite ams have second and third jobs to try and make it. ! to play an event on the european tour can cost around 5k ! R&A being so forward thinking again....there asleep at the wheel as normal !
Errr we are talking amateur Golf here, not the elite college system they have in the US. I reckon 95% of amateurs don't even think about prize money and play for enjoyment.
Will I get paid for wearing a WILSON logoed beeny? Backdated to 1970 please?
no but you will be told to take the hat off in the clubhouse bar
I think also the PGA should do something about Pro-Ams. Too many good pro's compete for zero return and prize funds are far too low. So often those in the money below 5th place receive a cheque that barely covers travel expenses.
The Riviera Country Club.
What a fantastic course that was?
You have to be a great putter and have a tight short game to play well on that?
Not easy for 1 trick ponies who only want to bash their drivers all over the place?
It's funny how we don't seem to want to talk about a wonderful tournament this weekend.
Anybody know why?
What a fantastic course that was?
You have to be a great putter and have a tight short game to play well on that?
Not easy for 1 trick ponies who only want to bash their drivers all over the place?
It's funny how we don't seem to want to talk about a wonderful tournament this weekend.
Anybody know why?
I do not think it is a fantastic course but far far better than what the PGA tour normally dishes up. Poa greens are always tricky as the day proceeds and kikuyu grass on the fairways and rough can often make nasty unfair pockets. However the design of the greens is excellent.
Maksi, yes, I thoroughly enjoyed the Genesis Invitational: fantastic course, great golf and a great win for the local lad (....did you put a bet on him after I said he was a great E/W option).
Riviera should be back on the rota for a major.
Riviera should be back on the rota for a major.
No betting from me ever Matt. I just enjoy watching the golf.
Good to see not a mention of changing the equipment after this weekend.
Agreed it should be a Major Championship course It's brutal, even when one is on the green.
I see we have yet another article and some nice photos for the scrap book of the busted flush.
Good to see not a mention of changing the equipment after this weekend.
Agreed it should be a Major Championship course It's brutal, even when one is on the green.
I see we have yet another article and some nice photos for the scrap book of the busted flush.
Maksi, yes, I thoroughly enjoyed the Genesis Invitational: fantastic course, great golf and a great win for the local lad (....did you put a bet on him after I said he was a great E/W option).
Riviera should be back on the rota for a major.
Riviera should be back on the rota for a major.
No betting from me ever Matt. I just enjoy watching the golf.
Good to see not a mention of changing the equipment after this weekend.
Agreed it should be a Major Championship course It's brutal, even when one is on the green.
I see we have yet another article and some nice photos for the scrap book of the busted flush.
Good to see not a mention of changing the equipment after this weekend.
Agreed it should be a Major Championship course It's brutal, even when one is on the green.
I see we have yet another article and some nice photos for the scrap book of the busted flush.
Another write up on borey for missing the cut by seven! Bbc running out of ideas I think! The love in with the bottler amazes me!
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Money is still controlling access to golf. £535 max prize limit or turn professional?? Pathetic. Club membership is thousands, golf clubs and equipment, thousands. Win a comp and the prize won't even cover your green fees or travel expense of getting to event and playing. New talent is out there and never sees the light of competition because they've no money.
No betting from me ever Matt. I just enjoy watching the golf.
Good to see not a mention of changing the equipment after this weekend.
Agreed it should be a Major Championship course It's brutal, even when one is on the green.
I see we have yet another article and some nice photos for the scrap book of the busted flush.
Good to see not a mention of changing the equipment after this weekend.
Agreed it should be a Major Championship course It's brutal, even when one is on the green.
I see we have yet another article and some nice photos for the scrap book of the busted flush.
You are an excellent poster on here BOD. Always have been and it is always a pleasure to hear your views.
Take an arrow up from me, again.
Now the busted flush needs to travel down to Florida apparently. Maybe he should just sit at home and play Playstation golf?
It would be the same thing?
Have you ever seen a player ranked in the top five who putts that badly before?
Take an arrow up from me, again.
Now the busted flush needs to travel down to Florida apparently. Maybe he should just sit at home and play Playstation golf?
It would be the same thing?
Have you ever seen a player ranked in the top five who putts that badly before?
totally agree 535 quid doesnt seem minimum wage to me, frankly anyone should be able to earn up to 25k before being a professional ! Most elite ams have second and third jobs to try and make it. ! to play an event on the european tour can cost around 5k ! R&A being so forward thinking again....there asleep at the wheel as normal !
No betting from me ever Matt. I just enjoy watching the golf.
Good to see not a mention of changing the equipment after this weekend.
Agreed it should be a Major Championship course It's brutal, even when one is on the green.
I see we have yet another article and some nice photos for the scrap book of the busted flush.
Good to see not a mention of changing the equipment after this weekend.
Agreed it should be a Major Championship course It's brutal, even when one is on the green.
I see we have yet another article and some nice photos for the scrap book of the busted flush.
Yes I can imagine you and many others on here would rather talk about amateur status than what is going on in the world of top level golf, this week, again.
Anyway there is a lovely article for you to enjoy about Tiger, Charlie, Poppy and the busted flush.
It's predictable and pretty sad really.
Did you enjoy this weekends drama?
Anyway there is a lovely article for you to enjoy about Tiger, Charlie, Poppy and the busted flush.
It's predictable and pretty sad really.
Did you enjoy this weekends drama?
Club membership is not thousands and a good set of clubs last years.
I'd imagine that elite amateurs get pretty good deals. There is a high performance academy for juniors and budding pros at my club and they get pretty substantial support. And plenty of clubs have some sort of intermediate membership for kids in their 20's before they end up paying full subs. Elite amateur in 40's or 50's? I'd expect them to pay full whack.
Anyone who wishes to sponsor a 12 handicap 75 year old with a yippy short game should contact me urgently.
Just asking !!
Just asking !!
Yes I can imagine you and many others on here would rather talk about amateur status than what is going on in the world of top level golf, this week, again.
Anyway there is a lovely article for you to enjoy about Tiger, Charlie, Poppy and the busted flush.
It's predictable and pretty sad really.
Did you enjoy this weekends drama?
Anyway there is a lovely article for you to enjoy about Tiger, Charlie, Poppy and the busted flush.
It's predictable and pretty sad really.
Did you enjoy this weekends drama?
I always enjoy watching golf, whether on TV or live. Unlike you though, I don't derive my enjoyment from seeing that someone has played badly, even when it is your favourite player, Bison. Enjoy the golf, drop the hatred, it will eat you up.
And yes, I enjoyed the drama. Always interesting to see how things work out when the pressure is really on in the final holes and playoffs. So often, the more seasoned pros get the job done, but good to see more of an outsider clinch this one. Similar in the snooker, I fully expected Ronnie to do enough to win, but the Northern Irish lad held his nerve really well, particularly in the final frame.
I'd imagine that elite amateurs get pretty good deals. There is a high performance academy for juniors and budding pros at my club and they get pretty substantial support. And plenty of clubs have some sort of intermediate membership for kids in their 20's before they end up paying full subs. Elite amateur in 40's or 50's? I'd expect them to pay full whack.
It's ok for professionals/ millionaires to go and play in the Olympics, which in my opinion should be for amateurs only, maybe getting a lottery sports funding for the top amateurs with the added bonus if they qualify for the Olympics would be a way forward.
So no athletics at the Olympics then, or a whole host of other sports. I.e. cancel the Olympics completely. Not so smart.
Yes I can imagine you and many others on here would rather talk about amateur status than what is going on in the world of top level golf, this week, again.
Anyway there is a lovely article for you to enjoy about Tiger, Charlie, Poppy and the busted flush.
It's predictable and pretty sad really.
Did you enjoy this weekends drama?
Anyway there is a lovely article for you to enjoy about Tiger, Charlie, Poppy and the busted flush.
It's predictable and pretty sad really.
Did you enjoy this weekends drama?
Another write up on borey for missing the cut by seven! Bbc running out of ideas I think! The love in with the bottler amazes me!
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You are an excellent poster on here BOD. Always have been and it is always a pleasure to hear your views.
Take an arrow up from me, again.
Now the busted flush needs to travel down to Florida apparently. Maybe he should just sit at home and play Playstation golf?
It would be the same thing?
Have you ever seen a player ranked in the top five who putts that badly before?
Take an arrow up from me, again.
Now the busted flush needs to travel down to Florida apparently. Maybe he should just sit at home and play Playstation golf?
It would be the same thing?
Have you ever seen a player ranked in the top five who putts that badly before?
Yes I can imagine you and many others on here would rather talk about amateur status than what is going on in the world of top level golf, this week, again.
Anyway there is a lovely article for you to enjoy about Tiger, Charlie, Poppy and the busted flush.
It's predictable and pretty sad really.
Did you enjoy this weekends drama?
Anyway there is a lovely article for you to enjoy about Tiger, Charlie, Poppy and the busted flush.
It's predictable and pretty sad really.
Did you enjoy this weekends drama?
And yes, I enjoyed the drama. Always interesting to see how things work out when the pressure is really on in the final holes and playoffs. So often, the more seasoned pros get the job done, but good to see more of an outsider clinch this one. Similar in the snooker, I fully expected Ronnie to do enough to win, but the Northern Irish lad held his nerve really well, particularly in the final frame.
I can't see how this would help anyone. If the player accepts the minimum winnings of £535 he remains an amateur. That would barely cover his costs. He would then go on to the next week, and the week after, and do exactly the same until he eventually runs out of money. At the end of the day professional sport is very competitive and only the best make it. Many find that difficult to accept!
I can't see how this would help anyone. If the player accepts the minimum winnings of £535 he remains an amateur. That would barely cover his costs. He would then go on to the next week, and the week after, and do exactly the same until he eventually runs out of money. At the end of the day professional sport is very competitive and only the best make it. Many find that difficult to accept!
I'd imagine that elite amateurs get pretty good deals. There is a high performance academy for juniors and budding pros at my club and they get pretty substantial support. And plenty of clubs have some sort of intermediate membership for kids in their 20's before they end up paying full subs. Elite amateur in 40's or 50's? I'd expect them to pay full whack.
As it's a golf article and golf is in the Olympics And the top 15 world ranked players automatically qualify, and would assume are fairly wealthy, give the amateurs a chance to shine on the world stage and maybe gain sponsorship to pursue their dream of becoming professional.
Maybe make it 50/50 ama/pro,
Maybe make it 50/50 ama/pro,
My husband has a friend who was a +5 handicap as an amateur qualified for the challenge tour, best result was four rounds in the 60's earnt around £2000 half was lost too travel entrance fee and hotel , came off after two years £20,000 in debt now sells fruit and veg to hotels . Total waste of talent !,
You need real financial backing and sponsorship to embark on turning pro . It’s the same in other sports too, I’m sure we all know excellent footballers who didn’t quite make it in the pro ranks for example. Not easy being a pro in any sport.
And let's not forget that the R and A did a huge deal with Sky to televise the Open , all sports should be on normal telly not just highlights at 11pm !
My husband has a friend who was a +5 handicap as an amateur qualified for the challenge tour, best result was four rounds in the 60's earnt around £2000 half was lost too travel entrance fee and hotel , came off after two years £20,000 in debt now sells fruit and veg to hotels . Total waste of talent !,
The reason this still exists is because of the controlling bodies and associated free loaders. Your subs pay for EGU, R&A etc old school tie officials to travel the world and they don't want it to stop.
Anyone who wishes to sponsor a 12 handicap 75 year old with a yippy short game should contact me urgently.
Just asking !!
Just asking !!
As it's a golf article and golf is in the Olympics And the top 15 world ranked players automatically qualify, and would assume are fairly wealthy, give the amateurs a chance to shine on the world stage and maybe gain sponsorship to pursue their dream of becoming professional.
Maybe make it 50/50 ama/pro,
Maybe make it 50/50 ama/pro,
Yeah, but that just leaves me wondering what the hell am I watching, don’t really care who wins. It’s not like seeing who can beat Brazil’s best team for example. Whereas whoever wins the pole vault is the best in the world.
Golf is part way there, some of the best players are there but not all of them.
Golf is part way there, some of the best players are there but not all of them.
You are an excellent poster on here BOD. Always have been and it is always a pleasure to hear your views.
Take an arrow up from me, again.
Now the busted flush needs to travel down to Florida apparently. Maybe he should just sit at home and play Playstation golf?
It would be the same thing?
Have you ever seen a player ranked in the top five who putts that badly before?
Take an arrow up from me, again.
Now the busted flush needs to travel down to Florida apparently. Maybe he should just sit at home and play Playstation golf?
It would be the same thing?
Have you ever seen a player ranked in the top five who putts that badly before?
Yeah, but that just leaves me wondering what the hell am I watching, don’t really care who wins. It’s not like seeing who can beat Brazil’s best team for example. Whereas whoever wins the pole vault is the best in the world.
Golf is part way there, some of the best players are there but not all of them.
Golf is part way there, some of the best players are there but not all of them.
The Riviera Country Club.
What a fantastic course that was?
You have to be a great putter and have a tight short game to play well on that?
Not easy for 1 trick ponies who only want to bash their drivers all over the place?
It's funny how we don't seem to want to talk about a wonderful tournament this weekend.
Anybody know why?
What a fantastic course that was?
You have to be a great putter and have a tight short game to play well on that?
Not easy for 1 trick ponies who only want to bash their drivers all over the place?
It's funny how we don't seem to want to talk about a wonderful tournament this weekend.
Anybody know why?
Makes a change to hear about grass roots golf, rather then the press releases from MacIlroy and Woods.
Just another move away from the true spirit of amateur sport. Money should not come into it at all.
P. S. What about the nick of Woods on TV on Sunday? I wouldn't like to be in the vicinity when he next gets behind the steering wheel lol.
P. S. What about the nick of Woods on TV on Sunday? I wouldn't like to be in the vicinity when he next gets behind the steering wheel lol.
Called it.
My husband has a friend who was a +5 handicap as an amateur qualified for the challenge tour, best result was four rounds in the 60's earnt around £2000 half was lost too travel entrance fee and hotel , came off after two years £20,000 in debt now sells fruit and veg to hotels . Total waste of talent !,
Will I get paid for wearing a WILSON logoed beeny? Backdated to 1970 please?
As a scratch golfer 50 years ago, the contrast in attitudes of officialdom is astounding. Now the aim is to ease the path to a professional career, then amateur status was prized and perhaps over-protected. The change is progress given the objective, but the ladder in amateur golf, for good players who will not make it a career has had the upper rungs removed.
Totally agree.
I remember reading an interesting article in the Irish Independent a few years ago (24/2/19) where Arthur Pierse recalled Jay Sigel warning him off the professional Seniors Tour.
Aspiring young amateurs should note that Arthur, Garth McGimpsey and Peter McEvoy (all Walker Cup players) never turned professional. And Jay seemed to regret doing so.
I remember reading an interesting article in the Irish Independent a few years ago (24/2/19) where Arthur Pierse recalled Jay Sigel warning him off the professional Seniors Tour.
Aspiring young amateurs should note that Arthur, Garth McGimpsey and Peter McEvoy (all Walker Cup players) never turned professional. And Jay seemed to regret doing so.
Another example of the R&A messing with the rules in an effort to justify their existence.
These days does any golfer know all the rules of golf? I suspect not. They really ought to be considering how they can reduce the rules to one sheet of paper as was the case in 1744 (https://www.scottishgolfhistory.org/origin-of-golf-terms/rules-of-golf/)
These days does any golfer know all the rules of golf? I suspect not. They really ought to be considering how they can reduce the rules to one sheet of paper as was the case in 1744 (https://www.scottishgolfhistory.org/origin-of-golf-terms/rules-of-golf/)
As a scratch golfer 50 years ago, the contrast in attitudes of officialdom is astounding. Now the aim is to ease the path to a professional career, then amateur status was prized and perhaps over-protected. The change is progress given the objective, but the ladder in amateur golf, for good players who will not make it a career has had the upper rungs removed.
Totally agree.
I remember reading an interesting article in the Irish Independent a few years ago (24/2/19) where Arthur Pierse recalled Jay Sigel warning him off the professional Seniors Tour.
Aspiring young amateurs should note that Arthur, Garth McGimpsey and Peter McEvoy (all Walker Cup players) never turned professional. And Jay seemed to regret doing so.
I remember reading an interesting article in the Irish Independent a few years ago (24/2/19) where Arthur Pierse recalled Jay Sigel warning him off the professional Seniors Tour.
Aspiring young amateurs should note that Arthur, Garth McGimpsey and Peter McEvoy (all Walker Cup players) never turned professional. And Jay seemed to regret doing so.
Sorry another comment on behalf of my husband who was a pro in Devon did his exams gave up his amateur status too teach did great things in junior golf and teaching adults , unfortunatly due to an eye condition and no retainer from the club despite a recruitment drive to get new members in had to give up !
The RandA made him wait two years to get his amateur status back ! Joke
The RandA made him wait two years to get his amateur status back ! Joke
Just another move away from the true spirit of amateur sport. Money should not come into it at all.
P. S. What about the nick of Woods on TV on Sunday? I wouldn't like to be in the vicinity when he next gets behind the steering wheel lol.
P. S. What about the nick of Woods on TV on Sunday? I wouldn't like to be in the vicinity when he next gets behind the steering wheel lol.
Sorry another comment on behalf of my husband who was a pro in Devon did his exams gave up his amateur status too teach did great things in junior golf and teaching adults , unfortunatly due to an eye condition and no retainer from the club despite a recruitment drive to get new members in had to give up !
The RandA made him wait two years to get his amateur status back ! Joke
The RandA made him wait two years to get his amateur status back ! Joke
Gary wolsenholm ( spelt wrong) amateur for years nice shiny car nice shiny shoes nice shiny watch nice shiny clubs nice sponsored clothing turned pro at 50 ? Says it all really. Bit like Quinn's and fifty quid notes in the boots in the amateur days! Sorry rants over
After that all are just classed as players
Nobody ever wants Tennis or Cricket to revert to Amateur/Pro divisions