Covid vaccines - 'spectacular' impact on serious illness
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First evidence jabs are having major impact on serious illness as well as cutting transmission.
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Yes, but is it the right vaccine?
There is no "right" vaccine as none capable of 100% success and all requiring annual repeats. Vaccines were developed and delivered and approved in record breaking time. All to be congratulated but Hey! if you allow you political bias to say otherwise, you will tend to be in the minority
“In the fourth week after the first dose, hospitalisations were reduced by 85% and 94% for the Pfizer and AstraZeneca jabs“
Facts.
Facts.
Fabulous news. Respite for the NHS and hopefully creating space to address the long waiting lists that has built up since Covid struck.
Good news. Time to start lifting the restrictions starting with schools in March, hospitality and shops in April and all borders by May.
We must get to an acceptable level of infection/deaths that society will tolerate. c100 or so deaths through the winter (15,000 a year like flu) seems acceptable.
We must get to an acceptable level of infection/deaths that society will tolerate. c100 or so deaths through the winter (15,000 a year like flu) seems acceptable.
I'm still not sure when restaurants will reopen.
Thank goodness I don't live in Europe. Elderly friends with very poor health there are still waiting. Boris and your teams - thank you for getting us out of the EU and thank you for getting these vaccinations in place. Wonderful.
Nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit! Very little to do with Johnson (he just dons the white coat to take credit). This is very much down to many, many clever people and unsung heroes (often volunteers). Sorry to burst your Con bubble but that really is the story.
Our death rate for "elderly friends with poor health" is way higher in the UK though - it's going to be tough for the EU to catch up with us on that even with their slow vaccination rate. I bet they wish they did live in Europe.
I'm sure the tens of thousands of extra dead people here compared to any other country in Europe would agree with you. And the Europeans would be vaccinating if the drugs companies had not cut production by 60%. The inability of so many Brits to find out the facts is staggering. PS : you could know the above and still be a Brexiteer.
Unfortunately I don't live in Europe with it's far lower death rates.
This has nothing to do with Brexit - nothing that has been done by the government after Brexit could not have been done by the government before Brexit. Boris has got 'lucky' although I'm sure the more than 100,000 people that died on his watch don't feel so lucky.
i can think of over 120,000 reasons why that statement is incorrect...France has actually given the full doses to more people than the uK....try doing some fact checking, the season of trump world is over
I think there is a good chance that some in the EU may look at death rate and choose to stay put, there is always two sides to things.
I am 73 and will not have a vaccine until at least April(Portugal).
Whilst the vaccine rollout has been excellent, and credit to everyone who deserves it, it does not paper over the cracks of why we have the highest death too, the highest economic cost of any developed nation. That, sadly, is due to bad political decisions made earlier on.
The UK is still in Europe - check any map - we haven't moved!
Spoken to any fishermen lately?
Spoken to any fishermen lately?
But fewer of them died to get this far. At least in most of Europe.
In 1947 Attlee and Bevan were portrayed as communists who wanted to establish a gestapo "TRUE", normal people were not fooled (for once).
The result----- a labour landslide and the NHS established, you want to thank anyone look up to the sky and thank them.
The result----- a labour landslide and the NHS established, you want to thank anyone look up to the sky and thank them.
The PHS study found that, by the fourth week after the first dose of either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines, the risk of being admitted to hospital had been reduced by 81%
Good positive news
Good positive news
It is. Although of the vaccines didn't work and we had no lockdown, your risk of being admitted to hospital, if you are infected, would probably also fall. Because they'd be too full.
It IS excellent news that I just shared with my 80 yr old mum - a huge relief to her, but PLEASE remember that this is with the mutants CURRENTLY widespread in the UK.
We still need to be careful because a high number of cases in a population with a large number vaccinated is the perfect breeding ground for a vaccine resistant strain to develop, sending us right back to square one.
We still need to be careful because a high number of cases in a population with a large number vaccinated is the perfect breeding ground for a vaccine resistant strain to develop, sending us right back to square one.
“In the fourth week after the first dose, hospitalisations were reduced by 85% and 94% for the Pfizer and AstraZeneca jabs“
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Where are the dullard troll types on HYS that were spreading misinformation regarding the Ox/AZN jab?!
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Where are the dullard troll types on HYS that were spreading misinformation regarding the Ox/AZN jab?!
Imbecile(s)
It wasn't just trolls online various European Leaders where at it too!
Most likely moved to the EU where those vaccinated with the Oxford-AZ jab have been experiencing adverse reactions to it in droves apparently. It only seems to work in the UK - the vaccine obviously doesn't travel well.
Will generally be the same people that believe in the non-phenomenon coined as “cancel culture”.
Appears they may have “cancelled” themselves!?
I don’t believe in “cc” - I’ve come on here to remind them how their imbecility they have made themselves look to all.
You know who you are.
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Appears they may have “cancelled” themselves!?
I don’t believe in “cc” - I’ve come on here to remind them how their imbecility they have made themselves look to all.
You know who you are.
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Not made the slightest bit of difference though has it? We are still imprisoned within our own homes although it is of course safe to go to work.
How many ppl caught the virus after 1 dose of vaccine. Or are we not disclosing those numbers as politically incorrect as they take the sheen off Boris' coronet?
It is pathetic that there seems to have been an agenda in the EU against the Ox/AZN vaccine which in the real world seems to be at least as effective as any of the others, reportedly costs £2 per dose vs £15 per dose for the Pfizer jab and can be stored in a fridge.
I guess it must be painful to know deep down that the UK has simply done it better, faster and cheaper??
I guess it must be painful to know deep down that the UK has simply done it better, faster and cheaper??
they usually just downvote your comments out of spite because they haven't got a comeback/conspiracy theory to reply with lol
Excuse my ignorance, but does that data mean for example that out of 100 people who would have been previously hospitalised due to the virus, 15 would still be hospitalised after being vaccinated? If so, and if we take a rough average of 10%, that would mean out of 100,000 previous hospitalisations there would still be 10,000 people requiring hospitalisation?
Meanwhile: PM says 'data not dates' and announces a long list of dates! Doh!
With provisos Besford (a lot of ifs and buts to be on the safe side) - you forgot to mention the provisos. Typical, only latching on to half the information and laying it out as if it was everything.
Perhaps you missed the “not before” attached to those dates. That’s where the data comes in.
Is a long list of dates not a long list of data?
Well done NHS, vaccine developers and Govt too for getting this rapid jab process organised. Superlative efforts by all.
This is excellent news.
Time to start easing the restrictions, get the economy restarted, open the borders and get the kids back to school. These restrictions have done real damage to the long term prospects of our society over the last year, particularly to the 10 million children who should be in school, and the sooner we get back up and running the better.
Time to start easing the restrictions, get the economy restarted, open the borders and get the kids back to school. These restrictions have done real damage to the long term prospects of our society over the last year, particularly to the 10 million children who should be in school, and the sooner we get back up and running the better.
Sadly, at the time of me writing this, over 10% of people had down-voted this comment. This shows unfortunately that there are still likely millions of people in the UK, who are lower that whale sh*t and come from the wrong end of the gene pool. Whilst this filth walks amongst us, we will all, always, face a challenge, whatever the issue.
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Yep, not a big fan of this government but I have to say very well played with the vaccine roll-out so far. Proud (and thankful) to live in a country that has the means to achieve this.
Sounds like a Tory bot, if you don't mind me saying.............?
Great!, the decline in all things Covid is due to a combination of vaccine and herd immunity. Remember the high uptake of Flu jabs resulting in low deaths? = Vax + immunity. The high number of infections without a Covid vaccine through October - January meant that a high number of people developed natural antibodies, these, combined with the vaccine program has dramatically reduced new infections.
Why has the BBC wiped the comments from this morning? I guess because of the addition of English data.
I warned people not to get too hyped up over the Scottish figures that you can't cross-reference as they don't publish ongoing age breakdowns of hospital admissions.
This English data is much more in line with the trial results & can be corroborated with the public data we have on admissions.
I warned people not to get too hyped up over the Scottish figures that you can't cross-reference as they don't publish ongoing age breakdowns of hospital admissions.
This English data is much more in line with the trial results & can be corroborated with the public data we have on admissions.
Nice to see the warmer weather ending the flu season, like it does every year.
....ooops...I mean isn't the lockdown and vaccination programme working well?
....ooops...I mean isn't the lockdown and vaccination programme working well?
Watching pm basking in covid success, bantering with opposition and batting away challenges over dodgy procurement deals with his mates. Tasteless, deplorable, disgrace.
Well done to Boris and the government. No need for your sad, tasteless, deplorable comment.........
Yes, but is it the right vaccine?
Focus on the data. Pfizer looks good, Astra Zeneca not so
Exactly ... the silly man is believing the EU's disgusting disinformation campaign to discredit our Oxford Astra Zenica vaccine. I mean even the Sputnik V is better than nothing
It’s brilliant news not least for the millions in the vulnerable groups who have endured 12 months of terror. The relief on people,s faces after leaving the vaccine centres after their jab is incredible to see.
Many many thanks to all those involved in developing, trials, securing supply and rolling out the vaccines.
Many many thanks to all those involved in developing, trials, securing supply and rolling out the vaccines.
Their 'relief' is foolish: it'll be June before they've had 2nd jab + 3 weeks to become effective.
And I know someone who contracted Covid on the way home from having their jab!
You are complrtly correct. My wife is extremly clinically vunerable and we are sheilding till at least 3 week after her second dose, half way through May at the earliest.
Nothing has changed yet for the extremly vunerable.
Nothing has changed yet for the extremly vunerable.
Indeed. My wife is clinically vulnerable, and like many has had to shield throughout this pandemic. She has felt much more positive after having the vaccination. I echo your thanks to all concerned with this vaccine, and not forgetting all of the people who have worked throughout this to keep us fed and healthy etc.
But for sustained immunity, we need those second doses, at the same time as others are having their first: this is a serious challenge we need to step up to if we're not to risk returning to square 1.
Only 150,000 jabs done yesterday (less than a quarter of maximum done a few weeks ago). Let us hope that this is not a sign of things to come.
I was down the pub the other night with a whole bunch of friends. We were talking about the vaccines. Some had had the Oxford jab. Others Pfizer. Some couldn't wait for the vaccine. Others were trying their best to avoid getting it. So what did I decide to do? I stowed away on a Russian ship and got me a dose of Sputnik. Back in the UK and I'm running circles around everyone I work with.
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The Russian vaccine is very good. However politics prevent us from using it.
So like in a sort of orbit around your colleagues. I bet it’s somewhat elliptical.
Good early news but let's not get carried away: a third of adults have had 1st jab; 2nd jab + 3 weeks to give ~65% protection will take us into June. This PM has said 'data not dates' but then announces a whole string of dates! The impatient and the stupid (often the same) have delayed recovery so far and their recklessness will continue to be carried by the majority doing the right thing.
there's a thing called the CSCS card for construction. a good idea, hijacked by the gov't for max profit
expect the same thing with vaccine passports.
expect the same thing with vaccine passports.
The daily rate on 12 February was over 544,000. Nine days later it had fallen to less than 142,000.
At this rate it will soon stop in its tracks.
At this rate it will soon stop in its tracks.
The planned reduction by the manufacturers was expected by all who have read the news lately
It was publicised over a month ago
It was publicised over a month ago
This is due to a two week planned reduction in deliveries from Phizer\Biontech, it will pick up again soon.
Here is the data in a nice pretty picture (https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations).
Notice a trend every Sunday for 1st dose? It's easy to selectively take data make an impressive (yet foolish) statement.
And, oh no, the 2nd doses are increasing.
Notice a trend every Sunday for 1st dose? It's easy to selectively take data make an impressive (yet foolish) statement.
And, oh no, the 2nd doses are increasing.
It’s brilliant news not least for the millions in the vulnerable groups who have endured 12 months of terror. The relief on people,s faces after leaving the vaccine centres after their jab is incredible to see.
Many many thanks to all those involved in developing, trials, securing supply and rolling out the vaccines.
Many many thanks to all those involved in developing, trials, securing supply and rolling out the vaccines.
Three weeks isn't long and the first dose can reduce the chances of it killing you
They are perfectly entitled to be 'relieved' if only because the process is started for them.
You are of course correct that the greatest efficacy is not for many weeks but as we see from today's news there is considerable efficacy pretty quickly.
Not saying they should through caution to the wind, far from it, but you don't have to wait 15 weeks to be relieved!
You are of course correct that the greatest efficacy is not for many weeks but as we see from today's news there is considerable efficacy pretty quickly.
Not saying they should through caution to the wind, far from it, but you don't have to wait 15 weeks to be relieved!
You clearly can’t add up nor do you understand what has been said or perhaps you’re being a bit of a goose!
Statement of fact yet it gets voted down. Is this by the people arranging their 'covid parties' as soon as the needle is removed from their arms? Today's news is very positive but even Johnson is being more cautious than the poster I was responding to.
someone clearly hasn't read the article about studies showing upwards of 80% reduction in serious illness from a single jab.
How much would you want before you considered it effective?
How much would you want before you considered it effective?
He's right. One in eight(ISH) such people will still send up in hospital, and some may still get long Covid. So it makes sense to wait until the second dose OR for the number of cases to drop a lot further, before relying on the benefits from the vaccine. The first dose is great, and will help a lot, but you don't want to be relying just one dose if you are CEV.
I hope the politicians in the EU - especially Marcon and Merkel - are hanging their heads in shame.
No they are far too busy spinning the situation to make the UK and the AZ vaccine look bad to save face.
Why? Because they can't match our death rate?
(UK 120,757, Fr 84,306, Ge 68,479)
(UK 120,757, Fr 84,306, Ge 68,479)
It's physically impossible for them to hang their heads in shame due to years of looking down their noses at the electorate.
Why, do you think this is a competition, so far you have only won the biggest drop in Growth rate , highest death rate, biggest transfer of tax revenue to Tory Donors no one is safe until everyone is....that's how vaccines work....
Why ? The recommended dosage is 12 weeks let's see the results then. Also Pfizer is 4 weeks before a 2nd dose, so let's give it another 4 weeks if all is still good then lets move to an 8 week strategy. Not before. These results while better than the trials do not prove anything about the longevity of the vaccine past 4 weeks.
So we have a four step timetable out of lockdown by jun 21.
What’s the timetable looking like over the channel in continental Europe?
What’s the timetable looking like over the channel in continental Europe?
There is no 2020/21 flu season.
Those that have tragically died within 4 weeks of +c19 test would have typically succumbed to flu, if there were no annual flu vaccine for them receive each year.
This is one of the reasons why there is a skew in UK covid data compared to other countries.
Those that have tragically died within 4 weeks of +c19 test would have typically succumbed to flu, if there were no annual flu vaccine for them receive each year.
This is one of the reasons why there is a skew in UK covid data compared to other countries.
There is no "right" vaccine as none capable of 100% success and all requiring annual repeats. Vaccines were developed and delivered and approved in record breaking time. All to be congratulated but Hey! if you allow you political bias to say otherwise, you will tend to be in the minority
Focus on the accessibility and delivery and cost - AZ good globally hence it is being hailed as the 'saviour of the world'
Where did you get that baseless non-fact from? Made it up? Believed what the expert Macron spouts?
Next time why not try reading and understanding the real facts before you post something that just makes you look a bit silly.
Next time why not try reading and understanding the real facts before you post something that just makes you look a bit silly.
Given the lack of data on effectiveness of the AstraZenca vaccine in over 65s, would be nice to know when that data might be available . These results suggest a positive step forward for it but the lack of data seems to have been interpreted differently by different commentators when Ch has created a little unease.
Good news is always met with negativity in some circles and individuals. But this better than anyone expected. Well done especially to Oxford who are producing at cost. NHS, it’s staff, helpers and Government.
The data from Scotland says that the AZ first dose is 85% effective at preventing serious illness in those vaccinated so far in the over 80 group.
Boris could not organise his way out of a paper bag. He is always keen to take credit for what others have done and blow away questions with waffle. Well done to the NHS and the scientists.
You know it’s going well when the opposition can’t bring themselves to talk about vaccine supply and instead want to shift focus to the lack of process in the PPE contracts. When your house is on fire you don’t ring around to see who has the cheapest buckets, and the same pragmatic approach to get PPE was the same methodology that secured the vaccine supply so early.
You also don't enlist a lazy incompetent to try and put out the fire just because you happen to know him...
Not correct, the NHS did not order the vaccine they purchased by the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy, but Hannock loves taking the credit for it.
No...apparently this government doesn't even ring around to see who has buckets at all, they rang around to see which of their mates wanted to try and make some buckets even though their mates had never made buckets before or even seen what a bucket looks like. Please get real and look at the facts of the PPE matter, after all, it's your money that has lined the pockets of the Boris and his mates
The vaccine rollout has been a success. The response for the first 9 months was terrible. The financial cost to the taxpayer is just starting to be understood. The Tory response to the financial irregularities shows a contempt for the public sadly.
Vaccine contracts were clear and above board - Cabinet didn't have mates clever enough to do it. Not meeting legal requirements to publish mates' contracts is not acceptable, especially when so many of them were blatently contrary to the national good. Do you know some bloke in Florida who knows someone in Spain who flogs jewellery but can turn his hand to PPE if you cross his palm with dollars?
Perhaps you're not aware but we "secured" 50 years supply of PPE at a usage rate equal to the peak demand during April.
Most of that PPE is still blocking up our ports because we have nowhere to put it.
Meanwhile established PPE suppliers in the UK were contacting the government in March and getting told to X off.
It was ALWAYS about ransacking the coffers while the nation was distracted.
Most of that PPE is still blocking up our ports because we have nowhere to put it.
Meanwhile established PPE suppliers in the UK were contacting the government in March and getting told to X off.
It was ALWAYS about ransacking the coffers while the nation was distracted.
That noise you hear is the anti-vaxxers gnashing their teeth.
Give it a rest with the 'anti vax' vitriol.
They're a very small percentage and no more or less astute than the rest of us. It's comments and attitudes like yours that betrays your weak-mindedness. Doing as your told by the authorities just because they say so. OTT hysteria!
If some people don't want the vaccine, that's up to them.
They're a very small percentage and no more or less astute than the rest of us. It's comments and attitudes like yours that betrays your weak-mindedness. Doing as your told by the authorities just because they say so. OTT hysteria!
If some people don't want the vaccine, that's up to them.
Have you seen links to actually research? There is always something they don't tell you in TV.
Had anti-vaxxers been allowed to peddle their ignorant nonsense in the past, the world would be still cursed with small-pox which used to kill millions. Vaccination eliminated this former scourge of humanity. Yet more would still be dying of Typhoid, or crippled by polio, or blinded by measles. Polio was on the verge of being also eliminated from the world until anti-vaccine nutcases stopped it.
That will include doctors, scientists and nurses too avoiding the vaccination.
What is disconcerting is the tail-off in vaccinations over the last 7 days.
Is this a sign of things to come?
Especially given that mass 2nd vaccinations are due form early March.
Rumours abound that some centres are virtually empty with staff and volunteers just sitting around.
Is this a sign of things to come?
Especially given that mass 2nd vaccinations are due form early March.
Rumours abound that some centres are virtually empty with staff and volunteers just sitting around.
Rumours??????????
Understand this is due to planned reduction in deliveries from Pfizer\Biontech that will last two weeks, should pick right up after that.
The figure is for those who have received the first jab not number of vaccinations. There is no tail off when you add in those now getting their second jab.
Serious consideration should be given to compulsory vaccinations
especially, for 'Anti-vaxxers' who resist the life-saving jabs for religious,
political or idealogical reasons.
Such people forget that they may be carrying Co19, even without
symptoms but may still be spreading it around amongst crowded
communities.
Such selfishness and anti-social behaviour is also caused by ignorance &
bigotry
especially, for 'Anti-vaxxers' who resist the life-saving jabs for religious,
political or idealogical reasons.
Such people forget that they may be carrying Co19, even without
symptoms but may still be spreading it around amongst crowded
communities.
Such selfishness and anti-social behaviour is also caused by ignorance &
bigotry
I was down the pub the other night with a whole bunch of friends. We were talking about the vaccines. Some had had the Oxford jab. Others Pfizer. Some couldn't wait for the vaccine. Others were trying their best to avoid getting it. So what did I decide to do? I stowed away on a Russian ship and got me a dose of Sputnik. Back in the UK and I'm running circles around everyone I work with.
Yet more bad news for the whingers, since Boris took over, he's hardly put a foot wrong.
Brexit just keeps on giving??
Brexit just keeps on giving??
How soon we forget the 100k excess deaths and the worst economic hit of almost any country worldwide.
Not to mention £20 bill on track and trace, lack of PPE, not following science, appalling Brexit deal that has cost jobs , exports and livelihoods.
Ask the fishing, farming and finance industries how happy they are with Boris.
"not put a foot wrong" ! You are wilfully delusional.
Not to mention £20 bill on track and trace, lack of PPE, not following science, appalling Brexit deal that has cost jobs , exports and livelihoods.
Ask the fishing, farming and finance industries how happy they are with Boris.
"not put a foot wrong" ! You are wilfully delusional.
This is great news. But totally agree we need to proceed cautiously. The thought of going through another winter like this one fills me with dread, let's not squander this massive opportunity we have to really get this virus under control.
The virus will be around forever, and zero covid is never going to happen. It was under control last August but it came back. You must learn to accept that instead of expecting us to go at a snails pace for an indefinite period.
Three weeks after having Phizer jab, there are times when I feel below par, and for several days have slept an extra hour. Prompts me to speculate if the Duke is having a mild post vaccine reaction. Report said he and HM had the vaccine recently.
He's nearly 100 years old ...
So we have a four step timetable out of lockdown by jun 21.
What’s the timetable looking like over the channel in continental Europe?
What’s the timetable looking like over the channel in continental Europe?
But their leaders seem to take it in ours.
Where have I said that I am?
Yet more bad news for the whingers, since Boris took over, he's hardly put a foot wrong.
Brexit just keeps on giving??
Brexit just keeps on giving??
My partner is still waiting for her Covid Jab and she has MND, We told our local GP 4 weeks ago, just keep being told she is on the list.
It is a bit crazy. I am in the 16-64 category with a very mild condition, yet I have an appointment on Thursday for my first jab. I know it ain't easy to place everyone in a precise order of need, but I feel a bit guilty being higher in the queue than some others with far more serious conditions.
Yes, but is it the right vaccine?
Thank goodness I don't live in Europe. Elderly friends with very poor health there are still waiting. Boris and your teams - thank you for getting us out of the EU and thank you for getting these vaccinations in place. Wonderful.
He dons the white cost as it's a requirement and he goes to see the unsung heros, so stop talking crap
Maybe not to do with Brexit, but why have EU countries taken so long to start vaccinating at such a slow rate.... they could have ordered and started the vaccinations as a single country, but for some reason, they didn't... I find that very strange.
Please stick to the subject, not you r tiny minded biases.
And how do you think we got hold of such vast amounts of the vaccines, ahead of other countries? Perhaps you should re-examine your bias.
We have handled the pandemic badly with almost the worst death rate in the first world and a wrecked economy. The vaccination program is the one thing the government got right. They supported research, spent big by committing to buy vaccine before there was proof of efficacy, pushed hard on approvals, and went with the delayed second dose. All of these gambles have paid off. Well done
Nothing to do with Brexit, but everything to do with UK Govt getting in early, backing and ordering vaccine. Hence we are where we are... which is in stark contrast to the European medical regime... wait a second.. maybe it is about Brexit!!
If we were still in the EU we would be way behind where we are now.
So all the 'mistakes' aren't Johnsons fault either, good to know.
Sorry to bust your anti-Con bubble but the government have done a great job of buying, distributing , and injecting the vaccines.
One of the reasons France and others are behind the UK is that the EU stepped in to stop their vaccine purchases insisting it should be purchased by the EU. Therefore Brexit is part of the UK success.
“In the fourth week after the first dose, hospitalisations were reduced by 85% and 94% for the Pfizer and AstraZeneca jabs“
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Where are the dullard troll types on HYS that were spreading misinformation regarding the Ox/AZN jab?!
Imbecile(s)
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Where are the dullard troll types on HYS that were spreading misinformation regarding the Ox/AZN jab?!
Imbecile(s)
Had it been an EU vaccine there would have been no mention from the EU members and they would have used it for everybody. UK vaccine from an EU angle " it must not be good" A/Z should withdraw the vaccine from the EU as they are not using it as it should be used ie for everybody. How many lives has the EU cost its people. How many heads of the EU will roll?
The BBC comments section never fails to attract the Farage gammons. Here they are all in one place. Story about UK vaccine success and all they can do is moan. Astra Zeneca is Swedish by the way and it was developed by a team from all over Europe. Be glad that Oxford have managed it's roll out in the UK as they still can't make it in any great quantity in Europe.
It’s brilliant news not least for the millions in the vulnerable groups who have endured 12 months of terror. The relief on people,s faces after leaving the vaccine centres after their jab is incredible to see.
Many many thanks to all those involved in developing, trials, securing supply and rolling out the vaccines.
Many many thanks to all those involved in developing, trials, securing supply and rolling out the vaccines.
Three weeks after having Phizer jab, there are times when I feel below par, and for several days have slept an extra hour. Prompts me to speculate if the Duke is having a mild post vaccine reaction. Report said he and HM had the vaccine recently.
True of course.
Nice to see the warmer weather ending the flu season, like it does every year.
....ooops...I mean isn't the lockdown and vaccination programme working well?
....ooops...I mean isn't the lockdown and vaccination programme working well?
What is disconcerting is the tail-off in vaccinations over the last 7 days.
Is this a sign of things to come?
Especially given that mass 2nd vaccinations are due form early March.
Rumours abound that some centres are virtually empty with staff and volunteers just sitting around.
Is this a sign of things to come?
Especially given that mass 2nd vaccinations are due form early March.
Rumours abound that some centres are virtually empty with staff and volunteers just sitting around.
Focus on the data. Pfizer looks good, Astra Zeneca not so
How so as all dates are indicative and conditional upon data. Raised infections = revision of release
Funny how they spin everything to meet these dates isn't it. It's no coincidence it's three weeks to the day that the last of those in the top 4 groups had their first jab! That group only represents 50% of hospitalisations, so expect the NHS to be under pressure for a long while yet!
Given the lack of data on effectiveness of the AstraZenca vaccine in over 65s, would be nice to know when that data might be available . These results suggest a positive step forward for it but the lack of data seems to have been interpreted differently by different commentators when Ch has created a little unease.
No resignations though. Staying to see it through. If we were still in the EU we would be screwed proper and waiting in their line.
Brilliant result and can only improve as we work down the age groups, firstly by mid April for the over 50's followed by phase 2 which might continue with the same approach for the most effective route to the end goal or a targeted approach to protect other front line workers. By July we will have offered everyone their first jab and vaccinated many with their second jab.
We should really take a break after doing the over 50s and let other countries use it for their over 70s. It seems weird to do all adults in the UK when there is very little risk for under 50s. We could save literally tens of thousands of lives in other countries.
Leaving aside the issue of long-covid - let the virus spread willy-nilly in the <50's and you're looking at perhaps a million cases of long-covid with issues lasting from 2-3 months to ??? Dealing with that would seriously screw the NHS for the forseeable future.
Not to mention creating the perfect scenario for a vaccine resistant strain to wipe out another 10% of the remaining old folk.
Not to mention creating the perfect scenario for a vaccine resistant strain to wipe out another 10% of the remaining old folk.
And I know someone who contracted Covid on the way home from having their jab!
Yet more bad news for the whingers, since Boris took over, he's hardly put a foot wrong.
Brexit just keeps on giving??
Brexit just keeps on giving??
I must say, that Boris seems to have shrugged off his stuttering and stammering ways - I wonder whether that was due to a touch of long Covid ?!?! His delivery today was quite impressive and I think SKS was quietly respectful too.
As a Labour supporter I congratulate Boris on his performance today.
Far, far, far too late to be worthy of any praise. Caution and science this time last year were screamingly absent.
Whatever you think about the politics of politicians the personal strain and sense of responsibility on all of them must must be huge.
'Impressive' - hardly. He's a bit better with a script (who writes them these days) but then goes all umm and err when he's off a tight script. I immagine a psychologist could could explain his problem but it's not very fitting for a 'statesman'.
my wifes stuttering has been with her for 67 years ,bbc where are you in this to protect all people with speech impediments, also she survived covid and is disgusted that no thought for people in her situation ,i feel you have only learnt diversity bits thatr suit
And I know someone who contracted Covid on the way home from having their jab!
Good early news but let's not get carried away: a third of adults have had 1st jab; 2nd jab + 3 weeks to give ~65% protection will take us into June. This PM has said 'data not dates' but then announces a whole string of dates! The impatient and the stupid (often the same) have delayed recovery so far and their recklessness will continue to be carried by the majority doing the right thing.
“In the fourth week after the first dose, hospitalisations were reduced by 85% and 94% for the Pfizer and AstraZeneca jabs“
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Where are the dullard troll types on HYS that were spreading misinformation regarding the Ox/AZN jab?!
Imbecile(s)
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Where are the dullard troll types on HYS that were spreading misinformation regarding the Ox/AZN jab?!
Imbecile(s)
Given the lack of data on effectiveness of the AstraZenca vaccine in over 65s, would be nice to know when that data might be available . These results suggest a positive step forward for it but the lack of data seems to have been interpreted differently by different commentators when Ch has created a little unease.
Good early news but let's not get carried away: a third of adults have had 1st jab; 2nd jab + 3 weeks to give ~65% protection will take us into June. This PM has said 'data not dates' but then announces a whole string of dates! The impatient and the stupid (often the same) have delayed recovery so far and their recklessness will continue to be carried by the majority doing the right thing.
He's nearly 100 years old ...
"Spectacularly" is not a word a normal person would use to describe the successful use of a vaccine that has been tried and tested. The usual political over-hype from the Proctologist. I suppose you need to cover your tracks with over 100,000 deaths so far, and still counting.
It is spectacular, as the pace of this achievement will keep the deaths down in the future. What is not spectacular is if life had gone on for another 9 years without a vaccine and 1M deaths in the UK. This has been a spectacular success or perhaps you would would like to search through the synomyns, and remarkable may be acceptable to you - somehow I doubt it!
Thank goodness I don't live in Europe. Elderly friends with very poor health there are still waiting. Boris and your teams - thank you for getting us out of the EU and thank you for getting these vaccinations in place. Wonderful.
Only 150,000 jabs done yesterday (less than a quarter of maximum done a few weeks ago). Let us hope that this is not a sign of things to come.
I was down the pub the other night with a whole bunch of friends. We were talking about the vaccines. Some had had the Oxford jab. Others Pfizer. Some couldn't wait for the vaccine. Others were trying their best to avoid getting it. So what did I decide to do? I stowed away on a Russian ship and got me a dose of Sputnik. Back in the UK and I'm running circles around everyone I work with.
What is disconcerting is the tail-off in vaccinations over the last 7 days.
Is this a sign of things to come?
Especially given that mass 2nd vaccinations are due form early March.
Rumours abound that some centres are virtually empty with staff and volunteers just sitting around.
Is this a sign of things to come?
Especially given that mass 2nd vaccinations are due form early March.
Rumours abound that some centres are virtually empty with staff and volunteers just sitting around.
Contrast this wonderful success of the genuinely NHS-organised roll-out with the *Serco*-run track and trace programme (wrongly dubbed NHS track and trace)
It is not just an NHS roll out, the logistics of such an operation is down to many such as the Army, Local Councils, venue owners and numerous volunteers and the government.
Serco should be made to refund the money it got from the government to "run" or should I say ruin this program.
I’d say that’s you as a caring people and community supporter during a pandemic.
I wouldn’t expect you to vote Tory at the next election either.
I wouldn’t expect you to vote Tory at the next election either.
Why has the BBC wiped the comments from this morning? I guess because of the addition of English data.
I warned people not to get too hyped up over the Scottish figures that you can't cross-reference as they don't publish ongoing age breakdowns of hospital admissions.
This English data is much more in line with the trial results & can be corroborated with the public data we have on admissions.
I warned people not to get too hyped up over the Scottish figures that you can't cross-reference as they don't publish ongoing age breakdowns of hospital admissions.
This English data is much more in line with the trial results & can be corroborated with the public data we have on admissions.
Yet more bad news for the whingers, since Boris took over, he's hardly put a foot wrong.
Brexit just keeps on giving??
Brexit just keeps on giving??
As the NHS are truly in charge of the rollout (rather than a private company), it is great testimony to the power of the state to deal with public health challenges
That's a dumb statement. The Left don't at all.
What we do hate is the way all other failings are now swept under the carpet & forgotten about because of one great win.
Boris & his cabinet are no less incompetent than they were this time last year. They are all extremely poor leaders more interested in themselves than anything else.
What we do hate is the way all other failings are now swept under the carpet & forgotten about because of one great win.
Boris & his cabinet are no less incompetent than they were this time last year. They are all extremely poor leaders more interested in themselves than anything else.
Unless you're a virologist you're splitting hairs. We know SARS-Cov-2 ins't exactly the same as flu. When you look at the flu virus with an electron microscope you don't see a spike protein. It's a nasty virus spread by people passing it to each other through coughing etc. We know that a brown bear is different from a grizzly. We know that if you get too close to either they can kill you!
Lives over money any day of the week. Great success.
If that were the case, the government would have taken stronger action earlier - instead they dithered and delayed costing over 100,000 lives. Whilst the vaccine has been great news, it's due to the vaccine companies, not the government that the situation is looking more positive. Boris has got lucky this time, I hope people remember how his government mishandled this entire pandemic.
Most likely moved to the EU where those vaccinated with the Oxford-AZ jab have been experiencing adverse reactions to it in droves apparently. It only seems to work in the UK - the vaccine obviously doesn't travel well.
“In the fourth week after the first dose, hospitalisations were reduced by 85% and 94% for the Pfizer and AstraZeneca jabs“
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Where are the dullard troll types on HYS that were spreading misinformation regarding the Ox/AZN jab?!
Imbecile(s)
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Where are the dullard troll types on HYS that were spreading misinformation regarding the Ox/AZN jab?!
Imbecile(s)
It’s brilliant news not least for the millions in the vulnerable groups who have endured 12 months of terror. The relief on people,s faces after leaving the vaccine centres after their jab is incredible to see.
Many many thanks to all those involved in developing, trials, securing supply and rolling out the vaccines.
Many many thanks to all those involved in developing, trials, securing supply and rolling out the vaccines.
It has changed for me.
I am extremely clinically vulnerable and I have had COVID and the AZ jab. 94% successful a few weeks after 1 jab versus my mental heath deteriorating even further. You are only going to get another couple of % after the second jab.
I'll take the risk thanks.
I am extremely clinically vulnerable and I have had COVID and the AZ jab. 94% successful a few weeks after 1 jab versus my mental heath deteriorating even further. You are only going to get another couple of % after the second jab.
I'll take the risk thanks.
Tracking those who have been vaccinated against those who have not is meaningless in this context unless all those being tracked have previously tested positive. Those not needing hospitalisation could be because they are better shielded and not actually getting infected. Lockdown/shielding measures and vaccinations can both give the same statistical results, experts should know that.
Any government wouldn’t claim to be the NHS and scientists.
They are much more likely to call themselves politicians.
What a daft comment.
They are much more likely to call themselves politicians.
What a daft comment.
Thats it take glee in other peoples misfortune
What is disconcerting is the tail-off in vaccinations over the last 7 days.
Is this a sign of things to come?
Especially given that mass 2nd vaccinations are due form early March.
Rumours abound that some centres are virtually empty with staff and volunteers just sitting around.
Is this a sign of things to come?
Especially given that mass 2nd vaccinations are due form early March.
Rumours abound that some centres are virtually empty with staff and volunteers just sitting around.