Hospitality suppliers: 'It’s not just a case of turning on a switch'
21/02/2021 | news | business | 41
Firms across the supply chain say notice and certainty are key to a full menu being available post-lockdown.
1
22/02/2021 11:33:34 15 10
bbc
The economy is in ruins, people's mental health is in ruins but the majority of vulnerable people have been jagged now so everything should open up asap. To do anything else is wrong and woefully overcautious.
3
22/02/2021 11:38:24 2 4
bbc
Unless the govt and scientists know something we don't...
32
22/02/2021 15:21:43 0 2
bbc
Not seeing ruined impoverished loonies myself, just lots of whingers. The existence of 2nd & subsequent waves shows that restrictions to date have been eased too soon (to maintain a downward trajectory). Jabs given so far may reduce the risk of deaths among the more vulnerable but they're not the big spreaders, the opportunity for the virus to mutate into something worse remains as great, so no.
2
22/02/2021 11:37:34 7 9
bbc
Small independent shops before hospitality, surely?
10
22/02/2021 12:02:22 7 0
bbc
why ?
13
22/02/2021 12:24:03 1 0
bbc
Given that small independant 'essential' retailers are open now, I presume that you refer to 'non essential' independant shops. The vast majority of these rely on hospitality. Unless people are able to go to resturants/holiday etc. then they have no need for new cloths, souveniers etc.
1
22/02/2021 11:33:34 15 10
bbc
The economy is in ruins, people's mental health is in ruins but the majority of vulnerable people have been jagged now so everything should open up asap. To do anything else is wrong and woefully overcautious.
3
22/02/2021 11:38:24 2 4
bbc
Unless the govt and scientists know something we don't...
4
22/02/2021 11:41:55 6 11
bbc
WhyalwaysmoreinScotland
“..so everything should open up asap. To do anything else is wrong and woefully overcautious”
~
And think how tragic it would be to ‘open up asap’ and be faced with overwhelming the NHS and having to lockdown again.
Defeat snatched from the jaws of victory.
5
22/02/2021 11:41:55 24 6
bbc
There is no justification for keeping these business's closed until May or even beyond.
They have done all they can to stay safe and the data shows that infections from these establishments are insignificant.
Quite why the Government are picking on hospitality has not yet been explained and I doubt they can.
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22/02/2021 12:47:06 10 6
bbc
"Quite why the Government are picking on hospitality has not yet been explained and I doubt they can."

Covid. That's why. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
21
22/02/2021 13:27:44 2 3
bbc
Because hospitality often involves sitting in front or beside people in an indoor environment for an extended period of time (over 15 mins). That's why.
Listen to the scientist, not the politicians or pundits with a rent-an-opinion.
29
22/02/2021 14:38:02 0 2
bbc
So lets just relax everything now and go back to lockdown later in the year as that is what will happen. Have you been on the moon the last 12 months?. Direct infections from hosp establishments are low but the indirect ones of people travelling to and from, meeting up in big numbers, and generally increasing the spread are very high. This is b4 you take into account the effect of alcohol on SD
6
22/02/2021 11:46:46 8 3
bbc
Maybe covid will help us rethink business models
Maybe location based business are best owned by people in the location.
Does one man need to own 275 gyms or 100s of pubs, restaurants etc
Maybe there are economies of scale when times are good. But fixed overheads become a problem when times are bad. Perhaps we will see increased local competition as start ups challenge the big franchises with debt
7
22/02/2021 11:47:19 18 8
bbc
sounds like the uk govt is throwing the hospitality, tour operators, and theatre industry on to the fire, shame on them , these industries are to makes us humans enjoy ourselves.
you need to donate to the tory party to get your wish or offer free drinks to them and holidays.
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22/02/2021 13:34:42 2 9
bbc
Be no loss. Wasteful spending on luxury of the rich, overpaid, and daft. Gullible people doing silly things at big expense ending up with not a thing to show for the money.
8
22/02/2021 11:50:54 18 3
bbc
Boris has 3 simple choices on hospitality:-

1. Set a proper timetable to reopen!
2. Chancellor to announce more Govt support in the Budget!
3. Accept the loss of large numbers of businesses, redundancies, tax revenue & increase in benefits bill!
9
22/02/2021 11:52:22 5 9
bbc
We could go back to business as usual but we would have to accept herd immunity and it's impact on society. There are probably those who believe an annual cull in an overpopulated world could be a good thing. But hopefully not many.
2
22/02/2021 11:37:34 7 9
bbc
Small independent shops before hospitality, surely?
10
22/02/2021 12:02:22 7 0
bbc
why ?
11
22/02/2021 12:07:53 24 6
bbc
Don’t look for any sense or logic from Govt or SAGE. There was absolutely no evidence before Xmas that pubs and restaurants were a source of infection. Going into hospital however has certainly led to frail people with a serious illness subsequently contracting COVID. Obviously those stats get quietly air brushed away...
15
22/02/2021 12:33:50 7 2
bbc
Agreed, in Laws nan went in for treatment. Ended up being in there for 3 months after getting COVID while in hospital.

No one was allowed to visit, she was bed bound.

Only possible way for her to get COVID, was from the nurses looking after her.

Shows how much hard work can be undone by anyone not following the rules.
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22/02/2021 14:30:11 1 4
bbc
Perhaps a more accurate comment would be "there was absolutely no evidence (that you want to believe before) Xmas that pubs and restaurants were a source of infection. . It's not rocket science. With up to 1 in 50 having covid at the time (many without symptoms) only the most blinkered naysayer would believe there was no chance of any infection in a pub with 150 people in it.
12
22/02/2021 12:23:01 4 4
bbc
'It’s not just a case of turning on a switch'...The government have to protect the hospitality sector given its role in our social infrastructure and interaction. Many businesses are gone for good and we need a proper scheme to help those that have lost their jobs its. The damage done to theatres etc is huge and many form a fundamental part of communities and must be protected.
2
22/02/2021 11:37:34 7 9
bbc
Small independent shops before hospitality, surely?
13
22/02/2021 12:24:03 1 0
bbc
Given that small independant 'essential' retailers are open now, I presume that you refer to 'non essential' independant shops. The vast majority of these rely on hospitality. Unless people are able to go to resturants/holiday etc. then they have no need for new cloths, souveniers etc.
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22/02/2021 12:33:05 5 9
bbc
Giving longer notice for hospitality to open is easy.
Tell them they will definitely be able to reopen by January 2025, but might be open earlier if certain conditions are me.
That satisfies their request for more notice.
11
22/02/2021 12:07:53 24 6
bbc
Don’t look for any sense or logic from Govt or SAGE. There was absolutely no evidence before Xmas that pubs and restaurants were a source of infection. Going into hospital however has certainly led to frail people with a serious illness subsequently contracting COVID. Obviously those stats get quietly air brushed away...
15
22/02/2021 12:33:50 7 2
bbc
Agreed, in Laws nan went in for treatment. Ended up being in there for 3 months after getting COVID while in hospital.

No one was allowed to visit, she was bed bound.

Only possible way for her to get COVID, was from the nurses looking after her.

Shows how much hard work can be undone by anyone not following the rules.
16
22/02/2021 12:38:46 5 4
bbc
The restrictions and tiers won't help. I'm not booking a UK holiday whilst we still have a tiered system only to have it cancelled or half the facilities and local attractions closed.
17
22/02/2021 12:41:35 15 3
bbc
I am looking forward to a restaurant meal, a hair cut, holiday, pub meet up with friends, seeing relatives ,visit charity shops, buying clothes and seeing the high street packed with some quality visits in the UK.
For all the hospitality tour opps and theatre and shops hang in there I want to spend money and so does my family.
5
22/02/2021 11:41:55 24 6
bbc
There is no justification for keeping these business's closed until May or even beyond.
They have done all they can to stay safe and the data shows that infections from these establishments are insignificant.
Quite why the Government are picking on hospitality has not yet been explained and I doubt they can.
18
22/02/2021 12:47:06 10 6
bbc
"Quite why the Government are picking on hospitality has not yet been explained and I doubt they can."

Covid. That's why. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
19
22/02/2021 12:53:53 3 14
bbc
it is NOT SAFE to open pubs, bars and restaurants but retail shops can be opened soon..
20
22/02/2021 13:21:46 6 4
bbc
Is this ironic? Why is it safer to be in a retail shop but not a restaurant?
25
22/02/2021 13:57:51 3 0
bbc
I would have thought a well run pub serving food is probably a much safer environment than a supermarket with customers and their children (without masks and a major vector for the virus) that lean over you when you are fishing something out of a freezer cabinet.
19
22/02/2021 12:53:53 3 14
bbc
it is NOT SAFE to open pubs, bars and restaurants but retail shops can be opened soon..
20
22/02/2021 13:21:46 6 4
bbc
Is this ironic? Why is it safer to be in a retail shop but not a restaurant?
26
22/02/2021 14:25:39 5 3
bbc
well lets see..
1) you don't drink from a glass, eat off a plate or sit at a table (all of which may or may not have been cleaned properly) in a retail shop
2) you don't stay in the same environment with the same people for a prolonged period of time in a retail shop

Apart from that no difference at all
34
22/02/2021 16:11:43 1 1
bbc
Everyone can wear a mask in a retail shop. You don't talk and laugh for a couple of hours in a small space, unlike a restaurant.
5
22/02/2021 11:41:55 24 6
bbc
There is no justification for keeping these business's closed until May or even beyond.
They have done all they can to stay safe and the data shows that infections from these establishments are insignificant.
Quite why the Government are picking on hospitality has not yet been explained and I doubt they can.
21
22/02/2021 13:27:44 2 3
bbc
Because hospitality often involves sitting in front or beside people in an indoor environment for an extended period of time (over 15 mins). That's why.
Listen to the scientist, not the politicians or pundits with a rent-an-opinion.
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22/02/2021 13:31:17 2 10
bbc
Don’t worry, hopefully few will be going back to bad old habits. Having seen their bank balance grow from being cut off from the stupidity of paying others to warm up food or pour a drink.

You will have to rely on idiots for whom any money in the bank burns a hole in their pockets.
7
22/02/2021 11:47:19 18 8
bbc
sounds like the uk govt is throwing the hospitality, tour operators, and theatre industry on to the fire, shame on them , these industries are to makes us humans enjoy ourselves.
you need to donate to the tory party to get your wish or offer free drinks to them and holidays.
23
22/02/2021 13:34:42 2 9
bbc
Be no loss. Wasteful spending on luxury of the rich, overpaid, and daft. Gullible people doing silly things at big expense ending up with not a thing to show for the money.
24
22/02/2021 13:47:41 4 1
bbc
How long before proof of vax is demanded by pubs and restaurants. Theatres too will seek reassurance. Will their insurers demand it?
30
22/02/2021 14:41:19 5 2
bbc
Sounds a great idea to me. No Vac no booze - perfect
40
22/02/2021 23:29:46 0 0
bbc
What a load of absolute balls. Imagine the 90000 attending Wembley for example oh can you show me your vaccination certificate sir/madam before entry. Would take a week to get people in!
19
22/02/2021 12:53:53 3 14
bbc
it is NOT SAFE to open pubs, bars and restaurants but retail shops can be opened soon..
25
22/02/2021 13:57:51 3 0
bbc
I would have thought a well run pub serving food is probably a much safer environment than a supermarket with customers and their children (without masks and a major vector for the virus) that lean over you when you are fishing something out of a freezer cabinet.
35
22/02/2021 16:12:05 1 1
bbc
You can't catch the virus because someone leaned across you.
20
22/02/2021 13:21:46 6 4
bbc
Is this ironic? Why is it safer to be in a retail shop but not a restaurant?
26
22/02/2021 14:25:39 5 3
bbc
well lets see..
1) you don't drink from a glass, eat off a plate or sit at a table (all of which may or may not have been cleaned properly) in a retail shop
2) you don't stay in the same environment with the same people for a prolonged period of time in a retail shop

Apart from that no difference at all
41
23/02/2021 00:38:56 0 0
bbc
more chance of 100 people in a day touching the same area, even item/basket etc in a shop, than in a pub/restaurant. Other than WC perhaps, where all would wash hands. Besides.. if alcohol works as a sanitiser, just pull the absinthe out for the punters. sanitise the insides. happy days
11
22/02/2021 12:07:53 24 6
bbc
Don’t look for any sense or logic from Govt or SAGE. There was absolutely no evidence before Xmas that pubs and restaurants were a source of infection. Going into hospital however has certainly led to frail people with a serious illness subsequently contracting COVID. Obviously those stats get quietly air brushed away...
27
22/02/2021 14:30:11 1 4
bbc
Perhaps a more accurate comment would be "there was absolutely no evidence (that you want to believe before) Xmas that pubs and restaurants were a source of infection. . It's not rocket science. With up to 1 in 50 having covid at the time (many without symptoms) only the most blinkered naysayer would believe there was no chance of any infection in a pub with 150 people in it.
28
22/02/2021 14:33:54 4 4
bbc
No doubt they will be wheeling out the MD of the hosp sector tonight saying about how unfair it is and how many businesses are on their needs and how many more billions of support are needed. The simple fact is those that are sound will survive, those that aren't have just had their inevitable closure sped up by Covid. New entrants will soon start up and the market will re-adjust
5
22/02/2021 11:41:55 24 6
bbc
There is no justification for keeping these business's closed until May or even beyond.
They have done all they can to stay safe and the data shows that infections from these establishments are insignificant.
Quite why the Government are picking on hospitality has not yet been explained and I doubt they can.
29
22/02/2021 14:38:02 0 2
bbc
So lets just relax everything now and go back to lockdown later in the year as that is what will happen. Have you been on the moon the last 12 months?. Direct infections from hosp establishments are low but the indirect ones of people travelling to and from, meeting up in big numbers, and generally increasing the spread are very high. This is b4 you take into account the effect of alcohol on SD
24
22/02/2021 13:47:41 4 1
bbc
How long before proof of vax is demanded by pubs and restaurants. Theatres too will seek reassurance. Will their insurers demand it?
30
22/02/2021 14:41:19 5 2
bbc
Sounds a great idea to me. No Vac no booze - perfect
31
22/02/2021 14:42:42 3 8
bbc
Peter Borg-Neal seems to pop up everywhere even on Question Time last week. The Hospitality sector has just got to accept that peoples lives are far more important than money going into their tills. It is a fact that a high proportion of their customers are the worst offenders with regard to following the rules.
39
22/02/2021 23:24:40 1 1
bbc
On what proof do you make that statement?
1
22/02/2021 11:33:34 15 10
bbc
The economy is in ruins, people's mental health is in ruins but the majority of vulnerable people have been jagged now so everything should open up asap. To do anything else is wrong and woefully overcautious.
32
22/02/2021 15:21:43 0 2
bbc
Not seeing ruined impoverished loonies myself, just lots of whingers. The existence of 2nd & subsequent waves shows that restrictions to date have been eased too soon (to maintain a downward trajectory). Jabs given so far may reduce the risk of deaths among the more vulnerable but they're not the big spreaders, the opportunity for the virus to mutate into something worse remains as great, so no.
33
22/02/2021 15:28:18 1 3
bbc
How much are these worthies prepared to set aside to offset the impact of early reopening triggering an increased infection rate or do they see that as a responsibility of somebody else too.
20
22/02/2021 13:21:46 6 4
bbc
Is this ironic? Why is it safer to be in a retail shop but not a restaurant?
34
22/02/2021 16:11:43 1 1
bbc
Everyone can wear a mask in a retail shop. You don't talk and laugh for a couple of hours in a small space, unlike a restaurant.
25
22/02/2021 13:57:51 3 0
bbc
I would have thought a well run pub serving food is probably a much safer environment than a supermarket with customers and their children (without masks and a major vector for the virus) that lean over you when you are fishing something out of a freezer cabinet.
35
22/02/2021 16:12:05 1 1
bbc
You can't catch the virus because someone leaned across you.
36
PCS
22/02/2021 16:28:38 2 0
bbc
Bring back the 50/50 eat out scheme, only able to afford to use it once whilst many other RFA's used it dozens of times!
37
22/02/2021 16:32:41 0 1
bbc
You've got your notice - not go ahead and start brewing. We're gagging!
38
22/02/2021 16:46:46 2 0
bbc
You've just been given several months notice. Be prepared! We're coming to have our cakes, and eat them too!
31
22/02/2021 14:42:42 3 8
bbc
Peter Borg-Neal seems to pop up everywhere even on Question Time last week. The Hospitality sector has just got to accept that peoples lives are far more important than money going into their tills. It is a fact that a high proportion of their customers are the worst offenders with regard to following the rules.
39
22/02/2021 23:24:40 1 1
bbc
On what proof do you make that statement?
24
22/02/2021 13:47:41 4 1
bbc
How long before proof of vax is demanded by pubs and restaurants. Theatres too will seek reassurance. Will their insurers demand it?
40
22/02/2021 23:29:46 0 0
bbc
What a load of absolute balls. Imagine the 90000 attending Wembley for example oh can you show me your vaccination certificate sir/madam before entry. Would take a week to get people in!
26
22/02/2021 14:25:39 5 3
bbc
well lets see..
1) you don't drink from a glass, eat off a plate or sit at a table (all of which may or may not have been cleaned properly) in a retail shop
2) you don't stay in the same environment with the same people for a prolonged period of time in a retail shop

Apart from that no difference at all
41
23/02/2021 00:38:56 0 0
bbc
more chance of 100 people in a day touching the same area, even item/basket etc in a shop, than in a pub/restaurant. Other than WC perhaps, where all would wash hands. Besides.. if alcohol works as a sanitiser, just pull the absinthe out for the punters. sanitise the insides. happy days