Covid-19: Johnson still working on 'roadmap' to ease lockdown
19/02/2021 | news | politics | 1,617
Ministers will "crunch the numbers" over the weekend, amid pressure to reduce Covid restrictions.
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Borris is working? Whatever next?
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I know, right ?
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19/02/2021 15:17:42 4 5
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The problem is, he doesn't have a clue. Does not even know the difference between a plan and a schedule - totally hopeless like the rest of his cabinet.
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More than you benefit scroungers
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End Lockdown now!
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yes indeed
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19/02/2021 15:20:07 2 3
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And get another one in three months time?
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19/02/2021 15:13:34 18 16
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Just let us have a pint Boris.
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19/02/2021 15:14:31 9 7
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You can buy booze at a supermarket. HTH.
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Have a drink at home instead
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19/02/2021 15:26:24 4 2
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Just one? I'm aiming for at least six come the glorious day.
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Why the rush to go back to a pub? - I used to frequent pubs a few times a week and can only say I have not missed them at all and have no intention on rushing back...
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19/02/2021 15:19:30 4 3
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Come on!
Come on!

'urry up Boris come on!

Come on!
Come on!

'urry up Boris come on!

We wanna be going down the pub!
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Will the route to Barnard Castle be on this road-map?
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19/02/2021 15:17:13 8 6
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Get over it. Plenty of labour have broken lockdown as well.
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Will his mate be able to read the map with his failing eyesight?
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19/02/2021 15:15:58 6 3
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Ooh. Don't mention Cummings. You will make the Tory bots weally weally cwoss.
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19/02/2021 15:20:34 3 1
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Still one or two with the Cummings fetish.
He is no longer employed by this tory govt....somewhere, sometime, even left wing screechers will need to move on...I suppose it`s marginally better than terminal TDS!
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19/02/2021 15:12:54 7 15
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Boris Johnson ? Working ?

Famously, he in the past refused to work weekends.

Hopefully a national crisis has changed that......he said, hopefully.
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19/02/2021 15:36:17 1 0
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When?
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19/02/2021 15:13:34 125 60
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They can't keep us locked up forever. We need this roadmap.

We have all done our bit for the national effort.
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19/02/2021 15:24:07 124 48
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No one is suggesting being locked up forever, on the contrary!

A week too early is just that, too early. Let's wait for the right time eh?
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19/02/2021 15:24:43 18 4
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Any roadmap must be subject to the data and public safety above all else. We must not blow the national sacrifice and cause another lockdown.
Do you mean witnessing a white middle class parent let her child defecate in a bush in a public park isn't normal..? Removed
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19/02/2021 15:25:50 24 10
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Wrong. Some people have sat at home with their laptops on full salary, played with the kids, play with the dog, and gone to the beach. We have not all done our best at all. Many people have suffered with their businesses and income 1000 fold more than others
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19/02/2021 15:26:10 11 22
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Yeah they can. This is what happens when you give away your freedoms, you can’t get them back without a fight. Damage done.
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19/02/2021 15:23:27 18 25
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Don’t you believe it...

Incredible to think there are still people BEGGING to keep us all locked up.

“Send in the Army!” they cry. Insane.

Time to stop listening to the socially-awkward, recluses and hermits, and time to give us our lives back.
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19/02/2021 15:32:50 17 1
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Most of us have, but quite a few haven't.

Unless you have missed the point the last 11 months, it doesn't take many to start the whole process going again and a plan is is only as good as the lowest denominator.

That includes the chancers in the CRG

Despite my past criticisms of Bojo, this time I think the tactics are right.
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19/02/2021 15:54:45 9 2
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Sadly not all have done their bit and they are a part of the problem.
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19/02/2021 15:57:50 7 1
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If WE & I mean Joe Public mess up the easing of restrictions again, we will be knackered. Last year we had dates but rather than seeing it as advisory too many used it as to do from list. I feel if people had been more cautious last year, we wouldn't have had the last few months we have had.
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19/02/2021 16:04:48 4 2
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I'm sure that some people said this after the Blitz (September 1940 to May 1941). However Blackout restrictions were not lifted until April 1945. We haven't yet finished out effort for the Nation. Palatable, what are you so desperate to do?
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19/02/2021 16:07:07 8 1
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Run out and then please don't ask the NHS to look after you if you fall ill with COVID!
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19/02/2021 16:12:55 4 1
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The only entity that can answer this is the virus - and it hasn't shown itself to be too hot on communication so far.
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WE need figures for the public to aim at.
20/02/2021 09:54:54 0 1
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They could, We do.
Some have. Yet the infection numbers speak very loudly of a cohort of many not "'doing one's bit" and in so doing, spreading the virus and extending the lockdown for everyone. Maybe the same cohort as are shouting loudest for lockdown to end now.
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Chunks of the population have done nothing but disobey rules and flaunt their ignorance. We have not all done our bit.
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19/02/2021 15:14:38 18 25
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He's just awaiting instructions from the Conservative party donors with a few late donations possibly changing the running order....
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19/02/2021 15:15:33 11 19
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Winging it. He’s releasing loads of leaks for two weeks and will go with whatever is more popular. If it goes wrong he will blame the science or public.

Ignore
Panic
Blame
Repeat

Full panic mode stage now
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19/02/2021 15:15:59 13 20
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Let's face it, neither he nor his Cabinet cronies have a clue what to do. Open up too quickly & risk the Infection rate/Deaths rising again; open too slowly & risk permanently damaging the economy.

He was voted in to get Brexit done; well he has done this, inflicting a terrible Trade Deal. Its now time for him & his Etonian mates to Foxtrot Oscar & let somebody take over who does have a clue.
Sound very bitter and an inverted snob. Maybe you could propose the correct strategy? Removed
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19/02/2021 15:23:52 1 1
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What a pointless post
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19/02/2021 15:27:17 0 0
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That would be Barrister Sir Captain Hindsight perhaps, champion of the working person?
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19/02/2021 15:28:01 2 1
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Like who? - there has to be a general election for another party to take over- or don't you understand the basics? - the only option would be for someone like Rees-Mogg to take over and that's even worse! - so you're stuck with what was voted for - like it or lump it.
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If infections are going to be among the data metrics used in the roadmap out, they should use percentage of daily tests that are positive, not number of positive cases a day, given the significance false positives will have in our mass testing system.

The primary focus though should be on vaccinations completed, deaths and hospitalisations.
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19/02/2021 15:29:30 53 4
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Also, as more people are vaccinated, infection numbers are going to become less relevant if they don't translate to hospitalisations/deaths.
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19/02/2021 15:48:41 0 1
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No they should use the cycles of the moon, people at the bottom assume people at the top know what they are doing...

It's a new virus...
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Great answer comment
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19/02/2021 19:11:11 5 0
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Percentage of tests daily will be an improvement by removing the problem of positive results varying merely as a result of changing numbers of tests, but won't resolve the false positive problem. Better to re-test a positive result to make sure it is true or better still only test people with symptoms. I agree with your list of factors that should be the primary focus.
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19/02/2021 15:16:29 28 17
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Let's not rush things. Being safe comes first.
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Issue is that there are dangers in both directions, so there is no such thing as a cautious approach
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19/02/2021 15:25:05 4 3
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I don’t think there’s any danger of rushing things.
It’s pretty clear the relaxation is going to be a lot slower than the data suggests it really needs to be.
With 1/3 of adults already vaccinated and on course to be half of adults by mid March including almost all the vulnerable groups we should be looking to relax the measures which have least impact such as outdoor mixing now.
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19/02/2021 15:26:10 4 3
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No. You mean when you think you're safe don't you.
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19/02/2021 15:32:37 6 3
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Rush things!!! My area been in restrictions for around 10 months in the last year
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19/02/2021 15:16:36 74 24
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Good, not a fan of Boris at all, butt instead of playing Santa an making people happy he seems to realise he is a PM during a pandemic (got there in the end) and seems to make decisions for the long term.
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Hasn't this been called hindsight when it has been suggested elsewhere.
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"butt" ?

:-)
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Do you mean making silly comments about squashing sombreros and failing to pronounce Tocilizumab...?

Still I applaud you for getting the word butt in...
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19/02/2021 15:53:51 7 5
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Johnson has zero self awareness.
He just wants to be popular.
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19/02/2021 16:18:35 3 3
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You demonstrate perfectly how Johnson seems to have brainwashed so many people. Short-termism and playing Santa are precisely what he has done.
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19/02/2021 15:16:48 2 34
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Can someone explain to me why I should take a vaccine to help the oldies who never gave two thoughts about my generation? Apart from just being called selfish
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Don't talk about shellfish, it is a delicate matter.
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Because it costs you nothing and might save your life?
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How many voted leave...
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I think you might just be this topics wind-up person Jim. But well done for trying.
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Its not just the old, its the vulnerable and you never know it might even help you
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19/02/2021 15:24:25 4 0
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As you just want a reaction because you hide behind a keyboard.......The oldies my 80 years plus parents have paid and are still paying taxes, they have sustained your way and that of the UK of life for decades, they pay for and paid for the NHS and they are not the ones who continually broke the isolation rules unlike the many many dim witted university students. Reaction achieved pal.
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19/02/2021 15:24:56 4 0
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Just because you're younger doesn't mean you won't catch Covid and be seriously ill or worse.
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Because it should be compulsory for every human on the planet to be vaccinated. That's the only hope to eradicate it and stop it coming back stronger year after year.
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19/02/2021 15:46:17 2 0
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Just take it to help yourself,that's selfish.
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19/02/2021 15:13:47 18 18
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It only needs to be a pretty simple map:

Vaccinate the vulnerable - DONE
Protect the NHS - DONE
Give everyone their lives back - TBC

Enough is enough now. The damaging long-term effects of lockdown now far outweigh any short-term benefit.
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19/02/2021 15:19:02 9 7
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Agreed. You can't go on with mights, maybes, ifs, coulds. Time to open up.
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19/02/2021 15:24:04 1 4
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How on Earth do you think "giving everyone their lives back" won't negate the first two. Vaccinated people will still get ill, just not as badly, so we are going to need lockdowns every winter for the years to come. Until we have a cure, holidays abroad have to be banned as the virus will try to find a way past the vaccines, and if it does then we are back to the current situation.
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Borris is working? Whatever next?
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I know, right ?
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19/02/2021 15:13:34 18 16
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Just let us have a pint Boris.
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You can buy booze at a supermarket. HTH.
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19/02/2021 15:13:12 19 31
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End Lockdown now!
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yes indeed
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Get on with your homework LOL.
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Will the route to Barnard Castle be on this road-map?
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19/02/2021 15:27:18 1 3
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You try working an engine without a dipstick to measure the depth of the oil? It is a measure and you are being measured. You have been weighed in the balance and found wanting. Can't handle it, can you?
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Will the route to Barnard Castle be on this road-map?
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19/02/2021 15:17:13 8 6
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Get over it. Plenty of labour have broken lockdown as well.
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You mentioned Labour not me. Obviously they make you come out in a rash.
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I am glad that this process and decision making is getting due time and consideration, to make sure we move out of lockdown measures properly and effectively
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19/02/2021 15:17:22 187 43
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Irrespective of political bias, I'm happy that we appear to have turned the corner on this dreadful disease. I for one hope that things are getting better by the day. Thanks to all concerned.
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I despair, how can anyone down tick my comment?
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Wait until you see what you traded to feel ‘safe’. You haven’t had the bull yet so enjoy your lunch before it arrives.
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I think its because although most people (I hope) agree totally with the sentiment, I think the objection is based on 'virtue signalling'.
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If you don’t know what the end goal is then how do you know we’ve turned the corner.
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Borris is working? Whatever next?
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The problem is, he doesn't have a clue. Does not even know the difference between a plan and a schedule - totally hopeless like the rest of his cabinet.
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19/02/2021 15:17:51 6 3
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So here it is:

School back early March
Non-essential shops - late March
Hospitality - mid April.

The last one will almost certainly be after Easter.

It will be led by the data, but I'll eat my hat if it's not pretty close to the above.

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Borris is working? Whatever next?
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More than you benefit scroungers
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Will the route to Barnard Castle be on this road-map?
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Will his mate be able to read the map with his failing eyesight?
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As we all went in this together we should all come out together and not let certain groups go on holiday or to the pub and say others still have to remain at home! Let's have one rule for everyone this time
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19/02/2021 15:41:54 11 10
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Yes indeed let's. Sadly there is a substantial minority of the over-privileged "entitled" who think they are above all this. Believe me, I've seen them driving about where they shouldn't have been going.
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19/02/2021 16:05:51 1 2
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We're not all in it together and never have been. My brother can see both his children and his grandchild. My sister can see both her children and her 3 grandchildren (albeit only 1 at a time). I can't see any of my family or close friends, because none of them live within walking distance of me.

Personally I feel this is unfair and it is the 'stay local' rule that I want to see abolished first.
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19/02/2021 16:06:16 1 1
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Yes, we shouldn't let certain groups refuse to be vaccinated and perpetuate the virus and hospital usage because of that.
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19/02/2021 18:42:49 0 1
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Good luck with that!
What's the point of wealth and privilege?
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19/02/2021 15:18:13 8 7
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I think PM & the govt is in a position where whatever they try there will be dissenters out there... moving too early, too late, too quickly, wrong sectors released first, etc.

Hopefully though a roadmap of sorts will arrive based on science from SAGE, common sense from the public & economics from Sunak.... although whatever is decided on will always be subject to change in these uncertain times.
120,000 British deaths and still rising and some amazingly still make excuses
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Can someone explain to me why I should take a vaccine to help the oldies who never gave two thoughts about my generation? Apart from just being called selfish
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Don't talk about shellfish, it is a delicate matter.
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19/02/2021 15:18:32 17 11
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One thing's for sure - it doesn't make sense to prematurely commit (again) to some unrealistic one-way system that results in more u-turns down the road. The virus is still around and requires dynamic policies to control, whatever the road map is it needs to be flexible. If the South African variant flares up, are we really all saying we'd rather just let it rip through than control it?
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No evidence that the SA variant evades protection from severe disease, at least at the moment. Severe disease is ultimately the problem
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Let's face it, neither he nor his Cabinet cronies have a clue what to do. Open up too quickly & risk the Infection rate/Deaths rising again; open too slowly & risk permanently damaging the economy.

He was voted in to get Brexit done; well he has done this, inflicting a terrible Trade Deal. Its now time for him & his Etonian mates to Foxtrot Oscar & let somebody take over who does have a clue.
Sound very bitter and an inverted snob. Maybe you could propose the correct strategy? Removed
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19/02/2021 15:28:35 0 2
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Of course "he" can't he's an idiot who hasn't got a clue on anything.
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Will the route to Barnard Castle be on this road-map?
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Ooh. Don't mention Cummings. You will make the Tory bots weally weally cwoss.
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That's the general idea.
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Have the BBC suddenly become N 10 PR department?

Boris looking thoughtful doesn’t fool anybody.
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19/02/2021 15:39:10 1 1
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So, on one hand we have the right wing' defunders' saying its always criticising the Govt and from the left wing, BBC is supporting it & too far right.

Obviously have the balance right upsetting both sides then
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19/02/2021 15:50:03 0 0
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You're right but why say "suddenly"?
Laura Kuennsberg has been head of that department for years!
And Nick Robinson (former Chair of Oxford Univ Conservatives) - he's on the books as well.
Oh and what about the Press Secretary, Allegra Stratton? Wasn't she an "independent" commentator on ITV's Peston show?
Such is our "leftist" UK broadcast media.
Where is the real evidence to the contrary?
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It takes a special kind of wilful stupidity to keep demanding a set-in-stone time frame for exiting a very fluid and unpredictable situation.

Step forwards the CRG and the British tabloids.....
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And Labour!
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Is it wrong to want an actual figure for cases and vaccinations to hit though?
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Like opening up for 5 days at Christmas.
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All vulnerable vaccinated then there is no justification to continue with restrictions.
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Its understandable given how long this has gone on , and lets not forget there will be many casualties from the measures imposed that will also affect peoples health for years to come . Life is by its very nature fluid and unpredictable and the implications of our actions are far wider reaching than scientists and politicians can ever hope to control .
Fluid and predictable or not, this has to be the last time we are held against our will. The Perpetually Petrified can stay in, I'm going out! Removed
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It's as if the media along with a large chunk of the British public expect our government to have a window to the future (along with a magic wand) that will allow them to reduce the number of Covid hospital admissions and deaths and tell us exactly when this will be delivered.
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CRG Harper was perfectly sensible on Question Time last night I thought .
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19/02/2021 16:51:17 1 4
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We are at the point business is more important than covid right here, right now. Business is on its knees and needs to know when it can reopen. Pubs, restaurants, shops etc must be allowed to open by mid march absolute latest. Enough is enough.
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and even more stupidity to tell businesses that employ millions that you have no idea when they can reopen , as the PM will do next week -he has not a clue
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I accept that giving date is not the right thing to do, however there should be a clearly defined criteria to go for. If you don’t know where you are going then you will never get there.
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I very much agree. Push push push, give us answers now!!! I despise Bojo the Clown but the media constantly asking when are we coming out of lockdown is getting on my nerves. We should be focusing on eliminating this deadly disease, not thinking about when we can next go get bladdered.

Goodness sake.
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Once the Script has been agreed Boris will read it.
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It only needs to be a pretty simple map:

Vaccinate the vulnerable - DONE
Protect the NHS - DONE
Give everyone their lives back - TBC

Enough is enough now. The damaging long-term effects of lockdown now far outweigh any short-term benefit.
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Agreed. You can't go on with mights, maybes, ifs, coulds. Time to open up.
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And what happens if cases go back up and people start dying? - and then we are forced into yet another lockdown because it was done too early ? - then you'll be moaning that it was too soon! - the DATA has to be right....the R number has to be well below 0.5
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Slowly Slowly unlock, we don't needs the hysterical media and Co whinging about unlocking early so they can blame the government when it's a disaster
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The whole thing is already a disaster. The deaths per capita shows it
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Chris, it is not the media who are behind the drive to unlock early and they have every right to hold this gov to account for their desperate actions
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No No No. We did that last year and it got us nowhere. We have the vaccine as an alternative so let's use it to restore normality as a matter of urgency.
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Can someone explain to me why I should take a vaccine to help the oldies who never gave two thoughts about my generation? Apart from just being called selfish
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Because it costs you nothing and might save your life?
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Ifs, maybes, buts
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Can someone explain to me why I should take a vaccine to help the oldies who never gave two thoughts about my generation? Apart from just being called selfish
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How many voted leave...
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Exactly, why am i not allowed to look out for my own best interests.

I’ve had to pay tuition, watch the rate of housing inflation be way above that of wage inflation. Clearly it’s my fault for liking Avocados..
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19/02/2021 15:13:12 19 31
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End Lockdown now!
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And get another one in three months time?
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19/02/2021 15:29:52 1 2
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This idea that relaxing lockdowns too early leads to another lockdown is spurious. Many predicted when the first lockdown was relaxed in May and June cases would rise immediately - including Jeremy Farrar who thought it was very likely.
They did not and didn’t start rising until Autumn, so it certainly wasn’t caused by relaxing too early.
With cases rising across Europe a rise then was inevitable.
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No. No more Covid lockdowns. If you want to carry on worrying about what might happen to you, stay in, leave your job etc
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It is time to put an end to this farcical anti-scientific nonsense once and for all, vaccine or no vaccine, virus or no virus. We can not possibly go on like this any longer.
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Sound s like you're struggling...you have my sympathy but many of us are fine. We can go on longer.
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Let's not rush things. Being safe comes first.
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Removed
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19/02/2021 15:16:48 2 34
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Can someone explain to me why I should take a vaccine to help the oldies who never gave two thoughts about my generation? Apart from just being called selfish
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19/02/2021 15:20:40 6 0
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I think you might just be this topics wind-up person Jim. But well done for trying.
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19/02/2021 15:25:33 0 4
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This is absolutely how I feel, tired of the ever changing goal posts so I don’t see why I should help anyone over 50
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19/02/2021 15:20:47 44 9
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The most important thing is get it right this time. The vaccination effort has put us in a better place but they must learn from past mistakes to make this reopening sustainable.
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19/02/2021 15:45:11 11 7
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" jabs have cut UK transmissions and infections by two thirds".
If people refuse the vaccine ( unless for medical reasons) and are hospitalised...will the Govt keep the restrictions going longer because hospitalization figures are high?
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19/02/2021 15:21:04 14 17
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The spike before / after Christmas are the result of Boris Johnsons policies that lead to him being branded as the "saviour" of Christmas

It was his decision to ignore SAGE in October

It was his decision to lockdown too late & reopen too early

It was his decision to put wealth before health by putting London into tier 2 even though he knew about the new strain months beforehand

Remember this
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19/02/2021 15:25:44 8 3
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I've had enough of this "locked down to late" argument. haven't you noticed that during the recent lock down the cases are still high? It's not the Governments fault it's people thinking they know better than the scientists. Still having illegal parties, not sticking to the rules. Did you lock yourself away before March?
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19/02/2021 15:24:52 2 1
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Making things up again, are we?
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19/02/2021 15:16:48 2 34
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Can someone explain to me why I should take a vaccine to help the oldies who never gave two thoughts about my generation? Apart from just being called selfish
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19/02/2021 15:21:06 5 0
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Its not just the old, its the vulnerable and you never know it might even help you
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19/02/2021 15:21:10 5 9
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It's a road-map with many U-Turns and roundabouts.

Remember people- Don't book a summer holiday, only the Health Secretary is allowed to do that
And Johnson's father
And the rest of the Cabinet
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19/02/2021 15:21:13 1 11
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I hope he takes into account all the lockdown breaches the elderly have been committing since they've been vaccinated! How dare they?!
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19/02/2021 15:24:35 1 3
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And before the vaccinations were rolled out
Every time u went into the supermarket, the places were chocker with the elderly complaining the shops were full
U couldn’t write it
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19/02/2021 15:21:13 4 6
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No lover of the Tories but on this one, he’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t, based on some of the weird posts this subject brings up.
It is to be hoped that he comes up with a “socialist” solution.
Now sits back to see how many froth at the word socialist, because of ignorance, lack of comprehension or misreading.
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19/02/2021 15:24:30 1 2
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Been the case since last Feb when they refused to lockdown and quarantine

They brought the dilemma upon themselves
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19/02/2021 15:24:42 2 1
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Why didn’t u explain it properly then? Attention-seeking
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19/02/2021 15:21:24 10 8
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"But we cannot give guarantees, because that is not how viruses work," he added.

That's different to the guaranteed end of the November lockdown, isn't it?

Slow on the uptake, aren't they?
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19/02/2021 15:21:25 53 21
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Don't give in to the media pressure - they are vipers! - "we want a lockdown" - got a lockdown - "when are we getting out of lockdown?" - the data MUST show that it is safe to come out of lockdown and ONLY the DATA matters.
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19/02/2021 15:37:00 23 27
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Tell that to Johnson's most loyal supporters amongst his own back bench MPs in the Covid Recovery Group.
They wield the real power over him, not the Daily Mail or the Torygraph.
Without the support of the CRG (formerly ERG), there is no way an incompetent clown like Bozo can hang on to the Tory leadership.
They are just like Trump Republicans but with less scruples.
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19/02/2021 15:39:11 1 1
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You are oversimplifying things. Data is an individual unit that contains raw material (usually numerical but also categorical eg male/female) which does not carry any specific meaning. Data gains purpose and direction after it is grouped, processed, analyzed, and structured in a meaningful way to carry a logical meaning - that’s information. Add experience to information and you have knowledge.
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19/02/2021 16:00:07 1 1
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The data alone can never show that it is "safe", because a political decision needs to made about what is safe
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19/02/2021 17:28:08 1 3
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The data is showing that it’s safe to come out of lockdown already.
19/02/2021 23:16:28 0 0
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NO!! There are 2 sides of this story. For every 85 year who have passed there many younger people who have lost or will lost their jobs. Many will lose their homes as a result There are people dying of cancer untreated and unknown abuse of children, This virus is now endemic and WILL not go away, It is time to ease the lockdown. The DATA you seek MUST include the economy!
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19/02/2021 15:13:34 18 16
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Just let us have a pint Boris.
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19/02/2021 15:21:31 3 3
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Have a drink at home instead
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19/02/2021 15:38:24 2 1
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not the same.
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19/02/2021 15:21:41 9 7
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Some common sense, please...ignoring the testing with tests that are only 50% reliable, we can't just bundle all school kids back into crowded buildings at the same time on 8th March. Boris himself knows that schools are "vectors of transmission."

Phase the school return, monitor data and slowly ease from there.
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19/02/2021 15:23:44 7 7
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Schools are no worse than any indoor sutuation. Open up now.
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19/02/2021 15:29:55 0 5
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Problem is that Johnson is owned by the 70+ members of the Covid Recovery (formerly European Research) Group.
They have spat out their dummies and are stamping their feet.
They want all restrictions removed now and to hell with the consequences.
Don't expect a "cautious reopening" of schools or anything else.
Lockdown 3 (or is it 4?), here we come!
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19/02/2021 15:16:29 28 17
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Let's not rush things. Being safe comes first.
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19/02/2021 15:21:46 5 4
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Issue is that there are dangers in both directions, so there is no such thing as a cautious approach
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19/02/2021 15:21:56 4 10
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Wonder what colour of crayon he's using?
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19/02/2021 15:25:14 1 1
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D**k
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19/02/2021 15:19:14 110 38
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Slowly Slowly unlock, we don't needs the hysterical media and Co whinging about unlocking early so they can blame the government when it's a disaster
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19/02/2021 15:21:59 63 90
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The whole thing is already a disaster. The deaths per capita shows it
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19/02/2021 15:49:23 7 9
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I'll bet you're a hoot at a party!!
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19/02/2021 15:49:38 18 3
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The deaths per capita this is a red herring. You'll find very few 80+ year old with underlying health conditions in Africa because they all died well before they made it to that age.

The fact that we have had a high level of deaths in the UK is credit to the work of the NHS in treating people and raising the life expectancy. The countries with the best public health have the most deaths per cap.
19/02/2021 23:04:54 0 0
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And also the economic figures. We need to consider both sides of the equation.
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19/02/2021 15:18:13 8 7
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I think PM & the govt is in a position where whatever they try there will be dissenters out there... moving too early, too late, too quickly, wrong sectors released first, etc.

Hopefully though a roadmap of sorts will arrive based on science from SAGE, common sense from the public & economics from Sunak.... although whatever is decided on will always be subject to change in these uncertain times.
120,000 British deaths and still rising and some amazingly still make excuses
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19/02/2021 15:35:57 3 1
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At least 120,000 lives saved.
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19/02/2021 16:43:42 0 0
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... "120k British deaths and still rising & some amazingly still make excuses"...
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Govt can't control the nations health (which had added to deaths)
Govt couldn't stop care homes 'fighting' for hospital patients to be admitted without tests, despite recommendation to do so.
Govt can't control how the NHS records 'covid' deaths which have been recorded differently to other nations.
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19/02/2021 15:22:13 23 20
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He will have to be quick about it.
We are morphing into an isolationist, stay-at-home nation of zombies.
Life wasn't meant to be lived like this.
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19/02/2021 15:29:50 13 7
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You only have to look at the comparison between California(Hard LD ) and Florida(Open)..no difference! And Sweden and the UK to see the only logical conclusion is the virus is going to do what the virus is going to do.
Good advice for the vulnerable, SD, WFH & hygiene produce the same results.
Lockdown will prove to have been nothing more than a catastrophic exercise in the folly of Man’s hubris
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19/02/2021 15:52:27 0 0
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ARRRRRGHHHH ZOMBIES!!!!
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19/02/2021 16:03:53 0 0
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"We are morphing into an isolationist, stay-at-home nation of zombies."

Speak for yourself. I've been pretty productive.
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19/02/2021 15:22:14 129 21
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Let’s keep politics and class jealousy out of this HYS for once?
A cautious reopening and continuation of the excellent vaccination programme, combined with compelling ways to convert antivaxxers, is maybe what we need? Get the economy moving but safely.
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19/02/2021 15:28:17 84 9
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"Let’s keep politics and class jealousy out of this HYS for once?"

Good luck with that.
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19/02/2021 15:40:08 3 7
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Sort have thing a conservative labourite would say from the middle working upper classes.
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19/02/2021 15:47:25 4 2
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Thanks Mr Cameron...
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19/02/2021 15:55:01 3 2
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There is no such thing as a cautious reopening, because there are dangers on both sides.
A policy that gives safety to one group of people creates danger to others.
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19/02/2021 15:58:11 3 3
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Yeah, let's keep politics out of a political decision.
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19/02/2021 16:13:22 2 0
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Agree. The data is all going down and cannot be ignored. Especially as over 80 deaths are dropping fast and good news about both vaccine's efficiency in preventing catching and transmitting the virus.
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19/02/2021 17:07:52 1 0
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The very fact that you used the term "class jealousy" suggests that you aren't keeping your politics out of this HYS!
20/02/2021 10:22:40 1 0
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The nation is divided so little chance of that. We may well have had united but for the hatred printed by the press. Throw this pandemic in with all the accusations going around.
20/02/2021 11:01:34 0 0
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I mean, you're on the politics page, so I'm not sure what else you could expect. As for class jealousy, are tabloid indoctrinated Tory voters attacking poor people for owning mobile phones and TVs again?
20/02/2021 13:23:11 0 0
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"Matt Hancock acted unlawfully over pandemic contracts."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56125462

I see the BBC have been very reluctant to report this news; they were late in reporting the judgement, didn't open it up for comment and have quickly taken it off the front page, and given it a minor space on the business page.

It's as if the BBC is an arm of the Tory Party!!
20/02/2021 13:29:03 0 0
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Daveyboy I bet you don't see the irony of your opening statement? You immediately made a political comment by saying keep class jealousy out of it. Why you felt the need to say that heaven only knows, but it showed your Tory bias from the off.

Reason the first jab process has gone well is instead of hiving the process off to their mates the Tories let the NHS get on with it. Well done the NHS!
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19/02/2021 15:22:23 15 15
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Well if things not open up soon there will be mass protests or worse. Lockdown is far worse than the obsession with this virus. We need to get on with life and manage the risk.
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19/02/2021 15:25:44 4 7
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Yes manage 100k + dead, to early to free up then its another 100k some risk.
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19/02/2021 15:17:40 16 16
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It is time to put an end to this farcical anti-scientific nonsense once and for all, vaccine or no vaccine, virus or no virus. We can not possibly go on like this any longer.
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19/02/2021 15:22:34 14 11
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Sound s like you're struggling...you have my sympathy but many of us are fine. We can go on longer.
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19/02/2021 15:49:20 0 0
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Thank you 83pots. We can if we accept that the New Normal is now how we live. The past year has raised so many questions about how necessary are things such as flights to holidays abroad to stay in English colonial ghettos, non-essential shops (if not essential whay are they there?), dining out in rip-off chain restaurants when you can cook better at home. The future is here.
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19/02/2021 15:17:22 187 43
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Irrespective of political bias, I'm happy that we appear to have turned the corner on this dreadful disease. I for one hope that things are getting better by the day. Thanks to all concerned.
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19/02/2021 15:23:17 78 69
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I despair, how can anyone down tick my comment?
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19/02/2021 15:39:12 27 41
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Bitter remainers and foreign BBC account users!
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19/02/2021 15:42:00 35 3
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"I despair, how can anyone down tick my comment?"

Many people are learning, for the first time, some despairing news about what makes a sizeable proportion of the British people tick. The "Blitz Spirit" has long since gone to be replaced by... what? We don't have a name for it yet but it won't be long and it won't be flattering.
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19/02/2021 15:46:20 11 4
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People can disagree that we've turned the corner with 400+ deaths a day still. Their corner might appear later.
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19/02/2021 15:48:38 11 3
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They don't like us in Moscow
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19/02/2021 15:52:42 16 7
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Vile trolls
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19/02/2021 16:10:47 1 3
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Peoples opinions and views don't always tally with your own. Based on other peoples ignorance and prejudice mostly. Clearly you're spending too much time in your Gym
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19/02/2021 17:04:47 4 0
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Beggars belief doesn't it? I too wish to thank all concerned, and think the number of vaccinations done already is absolutely brilliant.
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19/02/2021 17:06:47 1 6
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I despair of why you care - what does it matter?
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19/02/2021 18:52:19 4 1
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Relax. They are just stupid and you used too many long words for them.
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19/02/2021 21:56:02 1 2
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I think it's because, given the scale of avoidable deaths and associated bereavement due to government negligence, your comment appears a bit insensitively trite.
19/02/2021 23:19:17 2 1
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Perhaps they work for the Brussels Broadcasting Corporation
20/02/2021 11:03:57 1 2
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Because of your sycophantic take on the situation, probably.
20/02/2021 23:35:55 0 0
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Sad acts who have nothing good to offer in life. Your post was a good one, some people just don't like others being happy.
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19/02/2021 15:23:26 4 3
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Within the UK we should have a way out of this by now, not driven by date but by milestone (open x when deaths are 1000) gatherings for the last things to open up.
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19/02/2021 15:30:42 2 0
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It is hard to learn from mistakes when you have made very few.
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19/02/2021 15:36:19 1 0
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That should read.

Within the UK we should have a way out of this by now, not driven by date but by milestone (open x when deaths are under 100 per week say).

International pleasure trips should be just behind large gatherings (greater than 1000) for the last things to open up.
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19/02/2021 15:23:28 21 15
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Whatever. It will be too little or too fast; too late or too soon.
Whatever scores points for Starmer, Kuenssberg and the other lot... oh, yeah Lib Dems.
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19/02/2021 15:27:37 2 2
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But you spotted it first.
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19/02/2021 15:29:05 1 4
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The leader of the UK is Boris Johnson.

The buck stops with him.

He has the authority from the monarchy.

This is nobodies fault but his so stop trying to make out it is
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19/02/2021 15:23:33 4 9
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Charletans never make decisions against their own self interest. That is why so many have died and are ill. I ask the obvious question to Mr Johnson- Where is the evidence that you have learnt from any of your past mistakes before you make the next one?
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19/02/2021 15:28:07 1 5
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He hasn't. He has lived off the hope it's gone away.

Johnsons saving grace is Starmer. Not because Johnson is a better leader as he is certainly not, it's simply that a respectable opposition has made him think twice.
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19/02/2021 15:21:41 9 7
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Some common sense, please...ignoring the testing with tests that are only 50% reliable, we can't just bundle all school kids back into crowded buildings at the same time on 8th March. Boris himself knows that schools are "vectors of transmission."

Phase the school return, monitor data and slowly ease from there.
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19/02/2021 15:23:44 7 7
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Schools are no worse than any indoor sutuation. Open up now.
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19/02/2021 15:23:52 10 12
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Scientists are not the best people to be running a country.
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19/02/2021 15:26:49 2 4
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If it wasn't for them, the death toll would have been inconceivable
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19/02/2021 15:34:29 1 1
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Oh yes they are. Usually they have IQs twice most people but obviously many times some people's
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19/02/2021 15:15:59 13 20
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Let's face it, neither he nor his Cabinet cronies have a clue what to do. Open up too quickly & risk the Infection rate/Deaths rising again; open too slowly & risk permanently damaging the economy.

He was voted in to get Brexit done; well he has done this, inflicting a terrible Trade Deal. Its now time for him & his Etonian mates to Foxtrot Oscar & let somebody take over who does have a clue.
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GBE
19/02/2021 15:23:52 1 1
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What a pointless post
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19/02/2021 15:23:55 6 13
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Easy.
Q: Is everyone over 60 / the vulnerable vaccinated.
IF Yes, Remove the lockdown.

Simple :)
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19/02/2021 15:26:18 3 1
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Doesn't work that like that, child.
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19/02/2021 15:13:47 18 18
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It only needs to be a pretty simple map:

Vaccinate the vulnerable - DONE
Protect the NHS - DONE
Give everyone their lives back - TBC

Enough is enough now. The damaging long-term effects of lockdown now far outweigh any short-term benefit.
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19/02/2021 15:24:04 1 4
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How on Earth do you think "giving everyone their lives back" won't negate the first two. Vaccinated people will still get ill, just not as badly, so we are going to need lockdowns every winter for the years to come. Until we have a cure, holidays abroad have to be banned as the virus will try to find a way past the vaccines, and if it does then we are back to the current situation.
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19/02/2021 17:14:58 0 0
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That is exactly the point of vaccination Mike. That you can open up without the NHS being overwhelmed. All the data we have so far so far shows that vaccinated people very rarely get ill with covid and when they do it’s even rarer for it to be serious.
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19/02/2021 15:24:06 30 24
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Dougal 15:19
.You can't go on with mights, maybes, ifs, coulds

… you can … Keir Starmer has made a career out of it ...
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19/02/2021 15:25:41 16 22
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How? Pretty dumb comment
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19/02/2021 15:40:31 0 0
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So have 99.99% of 'experts' and BBC journalists!
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19/02/2021 15:40:34 0 0
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OK. That is DEFINATELY a stupid comment.

Happy?
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19/02/2021 15:49:27 3 1
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Whereas Johnson just lies.
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19/02/2021 15:13:34 125 60
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They can't keep us locked up forever. We need this roadmap.

We have all done our bit for the national effort.
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19/02/2021 15:24:07 124 48
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No one is suggesting being locked up forever, on the contrary!

A week too early is just that, too early. Let's wait for the right time eh?
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19/02/2021 15:47:33 5 1
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But what is the right time? This judgement should come from elected politicians not unelected experts and others pressure groups.
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19/02/2021 15:53:27 4 0
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Some scientists are suggesting permanent restrictions, although fortunately they don't seem to be the ones most closely advising the UK government.
The problem with waiting for the right time is that everyone has a different idea of what that is.
Indefinitely waiting for "the right time" is very similar in practice to locking the country down forever
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19/02/2021 16:06:12 2 8
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"No one is suggesting being locked up forever, on the contrary!"

That's EXACTLY what you are suggesting.

You've vaccinated the vulnerable. You're done. You have shot your load. You are out of ammo, out of ideas and out of chances.

If we lockdown further, what is the "until" component?! Until what? As I say, you've blown your load and played your only card.

If we can't release now, its forever.
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19/02/2021 16:14:29 5 0
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The problem is that I am not sure how we judge the right time. Regrettably the virus is not going to say 'right that's it I'm finished now'. I agree timing is crucial. I'm just glad I don't have to make the decision as inevitably you will be accused of either killing more people, or doing untold damage to the economy.
19/02/2021 23:06:16 1 0
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Every work businesses go out of business and families lose their homes.
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19/02/2021 15:24:07 5 14
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There is no need for a roadmap. As soon as people have been vaccinated they should be free to do what they want. That is what I’m going to do. I don’t need a map.
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19/02/2021 15:31:33 6 1
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You also need a brain.
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19/02/2021 15:33:24 4 0
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Then you should be fined and preferably arrested
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19/02/2021 15:15:58 6 3
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Ooh. Don't mention Cummings. You will make the Tory bots weally weally cwoss.
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19/02/2021 15:24:10 0 4
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That's the general idea.
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19/02/2021 15:19:02 9 7
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Agreed. You can't go on with mights, maybes, ifs, coulds. Time to open up.
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19/02/2021 15:24:12 4 2
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And what happens if cases go back up and people start dying? - and then we are forced into yet another lockdown because it was done too early ? - then you'll be moaning that it was too soon! - the DATA has to be right....the R number has to be well below 0.5
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19/02/2021 15:34:26 3 4
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People have always died. Get over it, you silly mortal
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19/02/2021 17:16:38 0 0
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I don’t think you understand the R number. It’s just a measure of whether the epidemic is growing or shrinking. Now cases are at low levels as long as R is kept below one that’s fine.
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19/02/2021 15:24:17 8 11
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If only they'd closed the schools a week earlier before Christmas like Wales did. Some of their kids are he back next week
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19/02/2021 15:16:48 2 34
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Can someone explain to me why I should take a vaccine to help the oldies who never gave two thoughts about my generation? Apart from just being called selfish
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19/02/2021 15:24:25 4 0
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As you just want a reaction because you hide behind a keyboard.......The oldies my 80 years plus parents have paid and are still paying taxes, they have sustained your way and that of the UK of life for decades, they pay for and paid for the NHS and they are not the ones who continually broke the isolation rules unlike the many many dim witted university students. Reaction achieved pal.
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19/02/2021 15:18:53 364 49
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It takes a special kind of wilful stupidity to keep demanding a set-in-stone time frame for exiting a very fluid and unpredictable situation.

Step forwards the CRG and the British tabloids.....
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19/02/2021 15:24:29 177 196
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And Labour!
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19/02/2021 15:35:47 45 4
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Not this time. Labour broadly supporting the Government and the scientific advice.

Unless you think the CRG are right
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19/02/2021 15:37:20 45 30
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The worst and most criminal misrepresentation of the Tories is to claim the all parties are the same. Remember: the NHS was formed by LABOUR and the Tories have repeatedly tried to close it down from Churchill to the present day.
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19/02/2021 15:46:14 30 4
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On this issue that comment can only originate from bias. Labour has a duty to hold the government to account but have by and large gone with the scientific advise on this issue.
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19/02/2021 15:50:40 38 7
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don't you mean the sixty three Tory loons on Bozo's own back bench
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19/02/2021 15:51:28 5 12
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…and the BBC.
450
19/02/2021 16:06:42 1 2
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Did you mean But Corbyn?
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mja
19/02/2021 17:51:15 1 0
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Blinded by the media
20/02/2021 09:26:50 0 0
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Labour have asked that certain criteria are met before lockdown is lifted

That is both sensible and reasonable
20/02/2021 10:56:00 0 0
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The CRG are about 80 Conservative back bench MPs who disagree with the way the Prime Minister is handling the pandemic. In so many words this is the Conservative party falling apart under Johnson's leadership. Is this the start of the CRG doing what the ERG did to Mrs May and kick him out Same people in the two groups
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19/02/2021 15:21:13 4 6
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No lover of the Tories but on this one, he’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t, based on some of the weird posts this subject brings up.
It is to be hoped that he comes up with a “socialist” solution.
Now sits back to see how many froth at the word socialist, because of ignorance, lack of comprehension or misreading.
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19/02/2021 15:24:30 1 2
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Been the case since last Feb when they refused to lockdown and quarantine

They brought the dilemma upon themselves
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19/02/2021 15:34:34 1 0
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Why should they have locked down when not a handful of cases? The majority would have ignored it.
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19/02/2021 15:24:32 3 13
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"Covid-19: Johnson still working on 'roadmap' to ease lockdown"

I don't know anybody who is currently staying in under the rules. Everyone I know has lost complete interest in this a long time ago. Any announcement of the end of being told to stay in the house, is utterly useless. People have been going out as much as they want for a long long time.
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19/02/2021 15:28:18 3 0
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You haven't been yo my area where the majority of people of all ages are sticking by the rules
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19/02/2021 15:30:17 3 0
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People like you spreading covid around are the reason we still have a lockdown.
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19/02/2021 15:32:37 1 0
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That's why we need the army on the streets supplementing the police and fully checking why you are out and about breaking the rules.
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19/02/2021 15:21:13 1 11
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I hope he takes into account all the lockdown breaches the elderly have been committing since they've been vaccinated! How dare they?!
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19/02/2021 15:24:35 1 3
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And before the vaccinations were rolled out
Every time u went into the supermarket, the places were chocker with the elderly complaining the shops were full
U couldn’t write it
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19/02/2021 15:37:56 1 0
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Just like U can't.
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19/02/2021 15:24:36 11 5
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I'm sure we we will hear all about it prior to the "official" announcement when it is strategically leaked to the media. Or am I being too cynical??
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19/02/2021 15:21:13 4 6
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No lover of the Tories but on this one, he’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t, based on some of the weird posts this subject brings up.
It is to be hoped that he comes up with a “socialist” solution.
Now sits back to see how many froth at the word socialist, because of ignorance, lack of comprehension or misreading.
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19/02/2021 15:24:42 2 1
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Why didn’t u explain it properly then? Attention-seeking
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19/02/2021 15:13:34 125 60
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They can't keep us locked up forever. We need this roadmap.

We have all done our bit for the national effort.
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19/02/2021 15:24:43 18 4
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Any roadmap must be subject to the data and public safety above all else. We must not blow the national sacrifice and cause another lockdown.
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19/02/2021 15:19:36 1 1
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How many voted leave...
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19/02/2021 15:24:52 1 5
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Exactly, why am i not allowed to look out for my own best interests.

I’ve had to pay tuition, watch the rate of housing inflation be way above that of wage inflation. Clearly it’s my fault for liking Avocados..
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19/02/2021 15:24:55 14 2
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Cue 72 hours of uninformed media speculation and interviews consisting of ham-fisted attempts to get somebody to say something about the content of the roadmap followed by the interviewer shouting "ah-ha!"
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19/02/2021 15:16:48 2 34
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Can someone explain to me why I should take a vaccine to help the oldies who never gave two thoughts about my generation? Apart from just being called selfish
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19/02/2021 15:24:56 4 0
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Just because you're younger doesn't mean you won't catch Covid and be seriously ill or worse.
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19/02/2021 15:34:03 0 4
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Yeah but that chances are slim, I could get hit by a car tomorrow, I could be eaten by a tiger the day after that. Life has risk
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19/02/2021 15:16:29 28 17
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Let's not rush things. Being safe comes first.
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19/02/2021 15:25:05 4 3
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I don’t think there’s any danger of rushing things.
It’s pretty clear the relaxation is going to be a lot slower than the data suggests it really needs to be.
With 1/3 of adults already vaccinated and on course to be half of adults by mid March including almost all the vulnerable groups we should be looking to relax the measures which have least impact such as outdoor mixing now.
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19/02/2021 15:21:56 4 10
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Wonder what colour of crayon he's using?
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19/02/2021 15:25:14 1 1
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D**k
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19/02/2021 15:25:20 2 12
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Bojo has a history of making poor decisions
No doubt he will read out what's written for him
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19/02/2021 15:29:28 4 2
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Name one, always does what is best for the Country.
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19/02/2021 15:49:08 0 1
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Starmer is only capable of reading prepared statements
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19/02/2021 15:16:48 2 34
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Can someone explain to me why I should take a vaccine to help the oldies who never gave two thoughts about my generation? Apart from just being called selfish
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19/02/2021 15:25:20 3 0
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Because it should be compulsory for every human on the planet to be vaccinated. That's the only hope to eradicate it and stop it coming back stronger year after year.
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19/02/2021 15:33:14 0 3
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Hahahahaha what a reason! And what if there’s a mutation that the vaccine is ineffective against? Lockdown till we produce another one? I thought life carried some amount of risk
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19/02/2021 15:13:34 125 60
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They can't keep us locked up forever. We need this roadmap.

We have all done our bit for the national effort.
Do you mean witnessing a white middle class parent let her child defecate in a bush in a public park isn't normal..? Removed
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19/02/2021 15:39:30 1 3
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There's an idea for a new all British business model, "Toddler Poo Bags" I wonder if the marketing name 'Angel Delight' might clash though...
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19/02/2021 15:20:40 6 0
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I think you might just be this topics wind-up person Jim. But well done for trying.
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19/02/2021 15:25:33 0 4
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This is absolutely how I feel, tired of the ever changing goal posts so I don’t see why I should help anyone over 50
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19/02/2021 15:16:36 74 24
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Good, not a fan of Boris at all, butt instead of playing Santa an making people happy he seems to realise he is a PM during a pandemic (got there in the end) and seems to make decisions for the long term.
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19/02/2021 15:25:35 44 48
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Hasn't this been called hindsight when it has been suggested elsewhere.
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19/02/2021 15:28:34 16 5
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Yep. Apparently there is a Capt. Hindsight, leader of her Maj's Opposition. But when borris does it it's referred to as 'a period of deep reflection'.
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19/02/2021 15:49:33 0 0
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Or maybe he just learned?
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19/02/2021 15:18:32 17 11
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One thing's for sure - it doesn't make sense to prematurely commit (again) to some unrealistic one-way system that results in more u-turns down the road. The virus is still around and requires dynamic policies to control, whatever the road map is it needs to be flexible. If the South African variant flares up, are we really all saying we'd rather just let it rip through than control it?
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19/02/2021 15:25:36 8 2
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No evidence that the SA variant evades protection from severe disease, at least at the moment. Severe disease is ultimately the problem
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19/02/2021 15:24:06 30 24
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Dougal 15:19
.You can't go on with mights, maybes, ifs, coulds

… you can … Keir Starmer has made a career out of it ...
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19/02/2021 15:25:41 16 22
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How? Pretty dumb comment
The spike before / after Christmas are the result of Boris Johnsons policies that lead to him being branded as the "saviour" of Christmas

It was his decision to ignore SAGE in October

It was his decision to lockdown too late & reopen too early

It was his decision to put wealth before health by putting London into tier 2 even though he knew about the new strain months beforehand

Remember this
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19/02/2021 15:25:44 8 3
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I've had enough of this "locked down to late" argument. haven't you noticed that during the recent lock down the cases are still high? It's not the Governments fault it's people thinking they know better than the scientists. Still having illegal parties, not sticking to the rules. Did you lock yourself away before March?
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19/02/2021 15:31:05 2 1
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Can we stop talking about the science like their modelling absolutely everything? I didn’t realise they were able to factor in the impacts to the economy, mental health and the future of children.

I thought politicians were supposed to weigh everything and make the decision
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19/02/2021 15:34:21 0 1
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Ermm. Yes it is the governments fault. You're own argument is a logical fallacy
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19/02/2021 15:22:23 15 15
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Well if things not open up soon there will be mass protests or worse. Lockdown is far worse than the obsession with this virus. We need to get on with life and manage the risk.
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19/02/2021 15:25:44 4 7
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Yes manage 100k + dead, to early to free up then its another 100k some risk.
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19/02/2021 15:13:34 125 60
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They can't keep us locked up forever. We need this roadmap.

We have all done our bit for the national effort.
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19/02/2021 15:25:50 24 10
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Wrong. Some people have sat at home with their laptops on full salary, played with the kids, play with the dog, and gone to the beach. We have not all done our best at all. Many people have suffered with their businesses and income 1000 fold more than others
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19/02/2021 15:38:21 16 2
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Yes, they were working.

Do you not understand what middle class professionals do ?

Do you not understand what laptops are for ?
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19/02/2021 15:47:52 4 1
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It's a very low percentage of the population who have flouted the rules, and made things worse for all of us. But that is still a large number of people. As the vast majority of us have made sacrifices to protect people and the economy, Palatable makes a good point. I just hope that the roadmap is based on figures at the time, and not specific dates. So we don't end up at square 1 again.
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19/02/2021 15:49:04 9 2
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"Some people have sat at home with their laptops on full salary"

I presume you mean those who've been furloughed? You would prefer it if they just got sacked and thrown onto the tender mercies of Universal Credit?
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19/02/2021 15:55:54 5 1
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What is your business and how has it suffered?
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19/02/2021 16:37:34 6 0
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"Some people have sat at home with their laptops on full salary, played with the kids, play with the dog, and gone to the beach."

All at the same time, sometimes....it's knackering.