Covid: Unblock logjam for new laws, senior MPs urge ministers
19/02/2021 | news | politics | 181
Commons select committee chiefs want laws held up during the pandemic to be put back on the agenda.
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19/02/2021 10:13:40 33 9
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They should cut down on recess lengths this year to provide more time to get laws through, especially while there are still limitations in how they can be spent with regards to holidays.

Really the summer recess last year was unnecessarily long, and were it much shorter would have been an opportunity for catching up on other legislation, while Covid was in a more quiet phase.
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19/02/2021 10:30:09 29 14
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Maybe MPs don't need to have all their usual "holidays", because, well, you know, there's a global pandemic, it's caused huge loss of life, economic chaos, then there's the fiasco of Brexit too in the mix too! Maybe as things aren't "normal", MPs & the Govt could go above & beyond their usual lacklustre efforts?

Just a thought???
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19/02/2021 11:26:41 13 2
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My, my, what a thought.

No chance though.
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19/02/2021 10:31:19 14 9
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New laws? What about enforcing the existing ones first!
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19/02/2021 11:28:56 20 6
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You can thank the cutting of over 20,000 police officers by the coalition for that issue.
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19/02/2021 11:09:36 10 14
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Which ever Party is in government, Covid is the priority issue to deal with

And that's the current approach taken
Highest vaccination rollout across Europe
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19/02/2021 11:29:43 15 3
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Just wait for the collateral damage currently brewing to rear its ugly head, then Covid will be anything but the priority.
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19/02/2021 12:53:04 3 1
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And in excess of 100,000 deaths.
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19/02/2021 12:55:01 3 0
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Yes and no. We've given more first jabs than other countries, but they've vaccinated more people. Only time will tell which was the right approach.
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19/02/2021 13:01:44 4 0
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Priority yes, but not at the expense of everything else.
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MVP
19/02/2021 11:12:17 46 14
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The danger with COVID is that it provides a smokescreen for the government to pass legislation without proper scrutiny and challenge.
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19/02/2021 11:53:46 19 20
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You may be right but please name one example of where they have actually done this
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19/02/2021 18:00:38 7 4
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Especially this elitist extreme right wing bunch that we're stuck with for almost another 4 years.
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rne
20/02/2021 11:07:14 2 1
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Also allows Government to get away with flouting accepted rules of behaviour by giving contracts to cronies!

'Matt Hancock acted unlawfully when his department did not reveal details of contracts it had signed during the Covid pandemic, a court has ruled.

A judge said the health secretary had "breached his legal obligation" by not publishing details within 30 days of contracts being signed.'
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19/02/2021 10:30:09 29 14
bbc
Maybe MPs don't need to have all their usual "holidays", because, well, you know, there's a global pandemic, it's caused huge loss of life, economic chaos, then there's the fiasco of Brexit too in the mix too! Maybe as things aren't "normal", MPs & the Govt could go above & beyond their usual lacklustre efforts?

Just a thought???
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19/02/2021 11:26:41 13 2
bbc
My, my, what a thought.

No chance though.
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19/02/2021 10:31:19 14 9
bbc
New laws? What about enforcing the existing ones first!
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19/02/2021 11:28:56 20 6
bbc
You can thank the cutting of over 20,000 police officers by the coalition for that issue.
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19/02/2021 11:09:36 10 14
bbc
Which ever Party is in government, Covid is the priority issue to deal with

And that's the current approach taken
Highest vaccination rollout across Europe
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19/02/2021 11:29:43 15 3
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Just wait for the collateral damage currently brewing to rear its ugly head, then Covid will be anything but the priority.
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19/02/2021 11:36:51 20 9
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Next step to facist state....a rubber stamp Parliament
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19/02/2021 15:42:46 9 6
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I did not realise the Extinction Rebellion are now on the Counter-Terrorism (extremist) watch list.

It was stated by Priti Patel in September 2020, but i thought it was just rhetoric.

It seems that we are moving, very slowly into a more controlling state, where anyone who thinks different to the status quo is a problem.
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MVP
19/02/2021 11:12:17 46 14
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The danger with COVID is that it provides a smokescreen for the government to pass legislation without proper scrutiny and challenge.
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19/02/2021 11:53:46 19 20
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You may be right but please name one example of where they have actually done this
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19/02/2021 12:31:02 11 2
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IR35...
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19/02/2021 13:00:49 10 1
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The original comment says 'provides', a bit like the government introducing a bill that 'enabled' the government to break international law.
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20/02/2021 09:11:12 3 0
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'Trespass' laws.
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20/02/2021 09:32:52 6 2
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"More than 90 coronavirus laws and rules imposed without Parliamentary scrutiny" - Telegraph

And after that, it just becomes a convenient habit
'Emergency this' and 'emergency that' to stop public gatherings and censor news, and on we go from there.......
A highly dogmatic right-wing government that doesn't admit failure or accept any criticism is actually a very bleak outlook
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19/02/2021 12:03:01 10 6
bbc
The dictator has parliament where he wants it so this is bad news for him, if anything really happens.
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19/02/2021 12:10:09 8 8
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I think this raises the question, that do we really need MP's ?

If we keep the civil service and elect technocrats to do what is right for the people, then why do we need the persistent media reporting of politicians lying, cronyism, corruption etc.

We seem to be doing ok without new laws, and we could certainly do without many politicians.
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19/02/2021 12:56:08 3 2
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I suggest you read Aldus Huxley's "Brave New World".
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19/02/2021 12:11:08 15 4
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@ 11:53 TheHonSec

You may be right but please name one example of where they have actually done this.

Here is 372.

https://www.hansardsociety.org.uk/publications/data/coronavirus-statutory-instruments-dashboard#total-coronavirus-sis
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19/02/2021 12:12:46 16 3
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the government to pass legislation without proper scrutiny and challenge.
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19/02/2021 12:11:08 15 4
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@ 11:53 TheHonSec

You may be right but please name one example of where they have actually done this.

Here is 372.

https://www.hansardsociety.org.uk/publications/data/coronavirus-statutory-instruments-dashboard#total-coronavirus-sis
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19/02/2021 12:12:46 16 3
bbc
the government to pass legislation without proper scrutiny and challenge.
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19/02/2021 12:58:06 5 1
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Yes, shocking, isn't it.
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19/02/2021 12:20:14 26 6
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Parliament needs to do what everyone else has done and adapt to the situation... starting by dropping the inane insistance on meeting in person instead of over video-link. If I can teach 300+ students, supervise projects, and assess student work online; if local councils can hold Zoom meetings, so can Parliament!

That or they go on furlough with concomitent loss of pay.
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19/02/2021 12:53:47 31 6
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It's not the fault of MPs. this is 100% down to Rees Mogg.
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19/02/2021 12:22:44 2 4
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Covid: Unblock logjam for new laws, senior MPs urge ministers

Not more Laws. We've got enough already.Lol.
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19/02/2021 11:53:46 19 20
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You may be right but please name one example of where they have actually done this
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19/02/2021 12:31:02 11 2
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IR35...
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20/02/2021 17:29:55 0 0
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That was on the way long before COVID.
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19/02/2021 12:39:34 26 8
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How is Lord Frost on the cabinet, he is not elected MP, was that done under the " Emergency " Covid Laws ?, and the 10 year jail sentence for lying, on entering the Country, from a red list Country which falls under the Counterfeiting Laws.....???
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19/02/2021 12:57:00 24 3
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You don't have to be an elected MP to be in the Cabinet, You don't even have to be an elected MP to be the Prime Minister. That one is just a custom, but for many years the PM was never an elected MP. It was someone from the House of Lords, but theoretically the PM only has to be the leader of the party with the majority. Not very democratic.
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19/02/2021 12:57:32 8 1
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Just about every UK govt in the past century, Labour, Conservative and Coalition has included members of the Upper House in senior cabinet roles. There is not, nor ever has been, a requirement that cabinet members be MPs.
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19/02/2021 13:00:48 6 4
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He was given a peerage, and there is precident for such being part of the cabinet. Simply another example of Boris doing whatever he wants.
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19/02/2021 13:25:09 6 2
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Same clique as Dido Harding.....
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20/02/2021 12:24:33 3 1
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How long before Farage gets a cabinet post.....
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19/02/2021 11:09:36 10 14
bbc
Which ever Party is in government, Covid is the priority issue to deal with

And that's the current approach taken
Highest vaccination rollout across Europe
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19/02/2021 12:53:04 3 1
bbc
And in excess of 100,000 deaths.
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19/02/2021 12:20:14 26 6
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Parliament needs to do what everyone else has done and adapt to the situation... starting by dropping the inane insistance on meeting in person instead of over video-link. If I can teach 300+ students, supervise projects, and assess student work online; if local councils can hold Zoom meetings, so can Parliament!

That or they go on furlough with concomitent loss of pay.
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19/02/2021 12:53:47 31 6
bbc
It's not the fault of MPs. this is 100% down to Rees Mogg.
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19/02/2021 13:25:51 14 3
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JRM odious creature
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20/02/2021 19:23:26 1 0
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Aye very true! JRM is still living in the 1800s. Can't wait for him to go.
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19/02/2021 11:09:36 10 14
bbc
Which ever Party is in government, Covid is the priority issue to deal with

And that's the current approach taken
Highest vaccination rollout across Europe
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19/02/2021 12:55:01 3 0
bbc
Yes and no. We've given more first jabs than other countries, but they've vaccinated more people. Only time will tell which was the right approach.
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19/02/2021 12:10:09 8 8
bbc
I think this raises the question, that do we really need MP's ?

If we keep the civil service and elect technocrats to do what is right for the people, then why do we need the persistent media reporting of politicians lying, cronyism, corruption etc.

We seem to be doing ok without new laws, and we could certainly do without many politicians.
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19/02/2021 12:56:08 3 2
bbc
I suggest you read Aldus Huxley's "Brave New World".
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19/02/2021 13:04:01 0 0
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why what is it about? genuine question
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19/02/2021 12:39:34 26 8
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How is Lord Frost on the cabinet, he is not elected MP, was that done under the " Emergency " Covid Laws ?, and the 10 year jail sentence for lying, on entering the Country, from a red list Country which falls under the Counterfeiting Laws.....???
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19/02/2021 12:57:00 24 3
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You don't have to be an elected MP to be in the Cabinet, You don't even have to be an elected MP to be the Prime Minister. That one is just a custom, but for many years the PM was never an elected MP. It was someone from the House of Lords, but theoretically the PM only has to be the leader of the party with the majority. Not very democratic.
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19/02/2021 19:12:42 3 4
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But you are fine with Ursula and Michel though ??
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19/02/2021 12:39:34 26 8
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How is Lord Frost on the cabinet, he is not elected MP, was that done under the " Emergency " Covid Laws ?, and the 10 year jail sentence for lying, on entering the Country, from a red list Country which falls under the Counterfeiting Laws.....???
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19/02/2021 12:57:32 8 1
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Just about every UK govt in the past century, Labour, Conservative and Coalition has included members of the Upper House in senior cabinet roles. There is not, nor ever has been, a requirement that cabinet members be MPs.
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19/02/2021 12:58:03 5 22
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Law 1 Bring back Hanging, Law 2 Bring back the Birch, Law 3 Environment at the top of the list, Law 4 National Service reintroduced, You don't serve your country, bottom of the quere, Law 5 Education, Bring back Tech & Poly Techs, universities for the top 10% Law 6, No National insurance contributions no access to NHS, Pensions Etc.
Hanging, no
Birch, no
National Service, no
National Insurance, no

I bet you're a pensioner.
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19/02/2021 13:01:40 8 1
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is that you Adolf
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19/02/2021 16:12:55 1 0
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You must be a conservatives MP
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19/02/2021 16:59:17 1 0
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Farage.?
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19/02/2021 17:06:41 4 1
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"Law 6, No National insurance contributions no access to NHS, Pensions Etc."

So you're proposing a law which is effectively genocide for the disabled?
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19/02/2021 20:40:06 0 1
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Welcome to North Korea.
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19/02/2021 12:12:46 16 3
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the government to pass legislation without proper scrutiny and challenge.
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19/02/2021 12:58:06 5 1
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Yes, shocking, isn't it.
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19/02/2021 12:58:03 5 22
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Law 1 Bring back Hanging, Law 2 Bring back the Birch, Law 3 Environment at the top of the list, Law 4 National Service reintroduced, You don't serve your country, bottom of the quere, Law 5 Education, Bring back Tech & Poly Techs, universities for the top 10% Law 6, No National insurance contributions no access to NHS, Pensions Etc.
Hanging, no
Birch, no
National Service, no
National Insurance, no

I bet you're a pensioner.
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19/02/2021 13:02:09 1 3
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No i am not, I take it that you disagree.
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19/02/2021 14:01:29 1 1
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Betting is an addiction that can have unintended consequences! Please don't trivialise it. Law 7, Abolish Armchairs.
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19/02/2021 16:54:13 0 2
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more expert review
not enough to do in Spain
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19/02/2021 12:39:34 26 8
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How is Lord Frost on the cabinet, he is not elected MP, was that done under the " Emergency " Covid Laws ?, and the 10 year jail sentence for lying, on entering the Country, from a red list Country which falls under the Counterfeiting Laws.....???
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19/02/2021 13:00:48 6 4
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He was given a peerage, and there is precident for such being part of the cabinet. Simply another example of Boris doing whatever he wants.
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19/02/2021 11:53:46 19 20
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You may be right but please name one example of where they have actually done this
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19/02/2021 13:00:49 10 1
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The original comment says 'provides', a bit like the government introducing a bill that 'enabled' the government to break international law.
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19/02/2021 18:03:17 4 1
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A bill that was swiftly voted and passed by members of almost all sides in the house & NOT passed solely by the goverment.

Huge difference between doing that & pretending that the house was not given the chance to vote against it and somehow the government just passed it without the chance to object to it as is being suggested by some.

I'm not a Tory supporter, I just like to deal in facts...
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19/02/2021 12:58:03 5 22
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Law 1 Bring back Hanging, Law 2 Bring back the Birch, Law 3 Environment at the top of the list, Law 4 National Service reintroduced, You don't serve your country, bottom of the quere, Law 5 Education, Bring back Tech & Poly Techs, universities for the top 10% Law 6, No National insurance contributions no access to NHS, Pensions Etc.
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19/02/2021 13:01:40 8 1
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is that you Adolf
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19/02/2021 13:05:11 3 1
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So easy to wind you lot up, shows how gullible you really are. One thing for certain the law as it stands lets the majority down.
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19/02/2021 11:09:36 10 14
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Which ever Party is in government, Covid is the priority issue to deal with

And that's the current approach taken
Highest vaccination rollout across Europe
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19/02/2021 13:01:44 4 0
bbc
Priority yes, but not at the expense of everything else.
Hanging, no
Birch, no
National Service, no
National Insurance, no

I bet you're a pensioner.
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19/02/2021 13:02:09 1 3
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No i am not, I take it that you disagree.
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19/02/2021 12:56:08 3 2
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I suggest you read Aldus Huxley's "Brave New World".
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19/02/2021 13:04:01 0 0
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why what is it about? genuine question
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19/02/2021 13:11:16 0 1
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I believe that the poster is trying to infer that anything other than what we already have, will be a dystopian society.
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19/02/2021 14:04:02 1 0
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A dystopian technocracy.
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19/02/2021 13:05:10 10 4
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We need to get away from the practice of creating highly focused laws for PR or virtue signalling purposes, particularly when the activities targeted are covered by existing laws. Blair's administration created thousands of new offences, a great many if which have never been applied in a single prosecution. Subsequent govts have found it hard to step back from this 'legislation as spin' approach.
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19/02/2021 14:36:05 8 3
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Agreed, its all spin and no substance now.
Would be the least of our troubles if the spin wasn't dictating the policies, legislating based on lies and propaganda.
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19/02/2021 13:01:40 8 1
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is that you Adolf
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19/02/2021 13:05:11 3 1
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So easy to wind you lot up, shows how gullible you really are. One thing for certain the law as it stands lets the majority down.
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19/02/2021 13:06:58 1 2
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totally agree and believe me I know
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19/02/2021 13:16:00 3 3
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How is that "for certain"? You've only given your opinion.
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19/02/2021 13:05:11 3 1
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So easy to wind you lot up, shows how gullible you really are. One thing for certain the law as it stands lets the majority down.
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19/02/2021 13:06:58 1 2
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totally agree and believe me I know
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19/02/2021 13:04:01 0 0
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why what is it about? genuine question
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19/02/2021 13:11:16 0 1
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I believe that the poster is trying to infer that anything other than what we already have, will be a dystopian society.
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19/02/2021 13:14:52 1 0
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Thanks for that
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19/02/2021 13:19:24 2 0
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just had a look I'll give it a miss I've read 1984 that was scary enough and becoming increasingly more accurate
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19/02/2021 13:11:16 0 1
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I believe that the poster is trying to infer that anything other than what we already have, will be a dystopian society.
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19/02/2021 13:14:52 1 0
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Thanks for that
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19/02/2021 13:05:11 3 1
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So easy to wind you lot up, shows how gullible you really are. One thing for certain the law as it stands lets the majority down.
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19/02/2021 13:16:00 3 3
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How is that "for certain"? You've only given your opinion.
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19/02/2021 13:31:14 0 7
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As i said you are so gullible, If memory serves your a remainer,
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20/02/2021 06:39:38 0 0
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I think it also rather depends on which law(s) they're referring to. Gordon Bennett, hasn't even mentioned a broad CLASS of law..... Criminal, civil, contract, tax etc.
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19/02/2021 13:11:16 0 1
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I believe that the poster is trying to infer that anything other than what we already have, will be a dystopian society.
40
19/02/2021 13:19:24 2 0
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just had a look I'll give it a miss I've read 1984 that was scary enough and becoming increasingly more accurate
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19/02/2021 13:29:17 1 0
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Yes, and with the Investigatory Powers Act, where every man and his dog can view who your e-mail, or websites you serf etc., the Home Secretary wants to label extinction rebellion as terrorists, and that online systems are always tracking you for marketing purposes, then we are already living in a mild dystopian society.
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19/02/2021 12:39:34 26 8
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How is Lord Frost on the cabinet, he is not elected MP, was that done under the " Emergency " Covid Laws ?, and the 10 year jail sentence for lying, on entering the Country, from a red list Country which falls under the Counterfeiting Laws.....???
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19/02/2021 13:25:09 6 2
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Same clique as Dido Harding.....
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19/02/2021 12:53:47 31 6
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It's not the fault of MPs. this is 100% down to Rees Mogg.
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19/02/2021 13:25:51 14 3
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JRM odious creature
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20/02/2021 06:47:10 0 1
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Have to confess something. Much as I loathe his current persona, I reckon deep down JRM is a decent soul..... Sadly, though, youngest son corrupted by overbearing father. He's not only taken on the mantle of EU 'dragonslayer', where his pater failed, but also taken on William's mannerisms. Very Oedipal.
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19/02/2021 13:19:24 2 0
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just had a look I'll give it a miss I've read 1984 that was scary enough and becoming increasingly more accurate
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19/02/2021 13:29:17 1 0
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Yes, and with the Investigatory Powers Act, where every man and his dog can view who your e-mail, or websites you serf etc., the Home Secretary wants to label extinction rebellion as terrorists, and that online systems are always tracking you for marketing purposes, then we are already living in a mild dystopian society.
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19/02/2021 14:45:56 0 0
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What exactly is or perhaps was "Extinction Rebellion" ???

I could I suppose go look it up and end up with varying answers so would you mind summarising just what it is exactly?
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19/02/2021 13:16:00 3 3
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How is that "for certain"? You've only given your opinion.
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19/02/2021 13:31:14 0 7
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As i said you are so gullible, If memory serves your a remainer,
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LG
19/02/2021 15:09:38 4 0
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And "your" obviously a quitter
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19/02/2021 16:09:18 3 0
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You're, not your. It's a matter of education.
Hanging, no
Birch, no
National Service, no
National Insurance, no

I bet you're a pensioner.
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19/02/2021 14:01:29 1 1
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Betting is an addiction that can have unintended consequences! Please don't trivialise it. Law 7, Abolish Armchairs.
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19/02/2021 13:04:01 0 0
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why what is it about? genuine question
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19/02/2021 14:04:02 1 0
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A dystopian technocracy.
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19/02/2021 13:05:10 10 4
bbc
We need to get away from the practice of creating highly focused laws for PR or virtue signalling purposes, particularly when the activities targeted are covered by existing laws. Blair's administration created thousands of new offences, a great many if which have never been applied in a single prosecution. Subsequent govts have found it hard to step back from this 'legislation as spin' approach.
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19/02/2021 14:36:05 8 3
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Agreed, its all spin and no substance now.
Would be the least of our troubles if the spin wasn't dictating the policies, legislating based on lies and propaganda.
Hanging, no
Birch, no
National Service, no
National Insurance, no

I bet you're a pensioner.
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Hanging, no
Birch, no
National Service, no
National Insurance, no

I bet you're a pensioner.
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19/02/2021 13:29:17 1 0
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Yes, and with the Investigatory Powers Act, where every man and his dog can view who your e-mail, or websites you serf etc., the Home Secretary wants to label extinction rebellion as terrorists, and that online systems are always tracking you for marketing purposes, then we are already living in a mild dystopian society.
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19/02/2021 14:45:56 0 0
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What exactly is or perhaps was "Extinction Rebellion" ???

I could I suppose go look it up and end up with varying answers so would you mind summarising just what it is exactly?
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19/02/2021 15:38:46 0 0
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It was the eco people protesting about the current situation of the UK not being green etc. They lock them selves to railings, the floor, and doors etc., to cause disruption - civil disobedience, effectively.

They stopped newspapers being delivered in the south, by blocking the road. So she wanted to denote them as terrorists/organised crime.

They have appeared on counter-terrorism watch list
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19/02/2021 14:49:34 18 2
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Can we pass a law that commits all MP’s to pass an annual veracity audit? Porkies get you your P45?

I set a high bar 98% truth.

We all expect MPs to lie so we really must do something about it.
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20/02/2021 06:37:15 2 1
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Does annual veracity audit mean they only have to tell the truth once a year?
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20/02/2021 19:30:03 1 0
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If only! We would actually start seeing this country actually progressing and an improvement of life for everyone. Rather than a handful and corruption of Gov contracts being handed to chums
Hanging, no
Birch, no
National Service, no
National Insurance, no

I bet you're a pensioner.
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19/02/2021 15:02:15 6 4
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Curious as to why these MP's are demanding these proposed laws/ changes/ bills be put back on the agenda at this time?

Why do they feel the need is more urgent than getting us out of this Covid crisis by using that time instead to agree on the best way forward to minimise the economic damage done to both peoples jobs/livelihoods and businesses.

Surely those are more important than law changes...
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19/02/2021 16:49:29 5 1
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How would enacting new legislation have an effect on treating Covid cases. Most MPs or Civil Servants don't work on Covid related matters.
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19/02/2021 13:31:14 0 7
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As i said you are so gullible, If memory serves your a remainer,
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LG
19/02/2021 15:09:38 4 0
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And "your" obviously a quitter
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19/02/2021 16:32:10 0 2
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Just laughing at you lot, had better things to do.
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19/02/2021 15:12:33 5 3
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I am really missing JRM on the TV could someone wheel him out soon.
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19/02/2021 15:16:17 1 1
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Hmm...
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20/02/2021 06:35:48 0 0
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Parliament Channel, unfortunately
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19/02/2021 15:12:33 5 3
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I am really missing JRM on the TV could someone wheel him out soon.
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19/02/2021 15:16:17 1 1
bbc
Hmm...
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19/02/2021 15:32:31 18 1
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I would say getting the NHS backlog of cancer treatments, operations etc down was far more important!
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20/02/2021 19:25:34 0 0
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Not sure about this backlog of cancer treatments is coming from...my mother was able to get hers within a few months of finding out she had cancer in the first place.

Might just be down to the location of it though...
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19/02/2021 14:45:56 0 0
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What exactly is or perhaps was "Extinction Rebellion" ???

I could I suppose go look it up and end up with varying answers so would you mind summarising just what it is exactly?
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19/02/2021 15:38:46 0 0
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It was the eco people protesting about the current situation of the UK not being green etc. They lock them selves to railings, the floor, and doors etc., to cause disruption - civil disobedience, effectively.

They stopped newspapers being delivered in the south, by blocking the road. So she wanted to denote them as terrorists/organised crime.

They have appeared on counter-terrorism watch list
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19/02/2021 17:53:03 0 0
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Thanks for the reply, glad I didn't look it up now...

Hardly "terrorists" if that's the kind of stuff they do more just like harmless loonies to me...
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19/02/2021 11:36:51 20 9
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Next step to facist state....a rubber stamp Parliament
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19/02/2021 15:42:46 9 6
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I did not realise the Extinction Rebellion are now on the Counter-Terrorism (extremist) watch list.

It was stated by Priti Patel in September 2020, but i thought it was just rhetoric.

It seems that we are moving, very slowly into a more controlling state, where anyone who thinks different to the status quo is a problem.
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19/02/2021 13:31:14 0 7
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As i said you are so gullible, If memory serves your a remainer,
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19/02/2021 16:09:18 3 0
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You're, not your. It's a matter of education.
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19/02/2021 16:36:08 1 2
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You're right, but you are still Gullible, "New word of the Day"
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19/02/2021 12:58:03 5 22
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Law 1 Bring back Hanging, Law 2 Bring back the Birch, Law 3 Environment at the top of the list, Law 4 National Service reintroduced, You don't serve your country, bottom of the quere, Law 5 Education, Bring back Tech & Poly Techs, universities for the top 10% Law 6, No National insurance contributions no access to NHS, Pensions Etc.
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19/02/2021 16:12:55 1 0
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You must be a conservatives MP
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19/02/2021 16:35:55 1 1
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Maybe i should start a petition, I'm sure my best mate Nigel will agree.
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LG
19/02/2021 15:09:38 4 0
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And "your" obviously a quitter
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19/02/2021 16:32:10 0 2
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Just laughing at you lot, had better things to do.
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19/02/2021 16:12:55 1 0
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You must be a conservatives MP
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19/02/2021 16:35:55 1 1
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Maybe i should start a petition, I'm sure my best mate Nigel will agree.
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19/02/2021 16:09:18 3 0
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You're, not your. It's a matter of education.
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19/02/2021 16:36:08 1 2
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You're right, but you are still Gullible, "New word of the Day"
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19/02/2021 15:02:15 6 4
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Curious as to why these MP's are demanding these proposed laws/ changes/ bills be put back on the agenda at this time?

Why do they feel the need is more urgent than getting us out of this Covid crisis by using that time instead to agree on the best way forward to minimise the economic damage done to both peoples jobs/livelihoods and businesses.

Surely those are more important than law changes...
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19/02/2021 16:49:29 5 1
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How would enacting new legislation have an effect on treating Covid cases. Most MPs or Civil Servants don't work on Covid related matters.
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19/02/2021 17:19:43 0 1
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Simple... they want & have to spend time in parliament to debate any new or modified legislation (legislation isn't passed without going through parliament first) and that would use up time they could/ should be using to sort out the damage of Covid...

All MP's have a say in how the recovery from this pandemic should be done, if they didn't "Work on it" they wouldn't be doing their jobs...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56125796

This is a typical BBC non story against the minister they most dislike. There is not going to be a High Court Case the Civil Servant has yet to win the Tribunal which quite frankly he will find difficult and on reading about the log jam of cases it might never happen!
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19/02/2021 17:46:45 4 2
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"Tribunal" !!! not sure where you think you read that in this article but rest assured your strange paranoia there about the BBC and non existent "tribunal" are merely figments of your imagination !!!
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19/02/2021 18:02:23 6 1
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Can we talk about Hancock being the latest Tory Minister to have been found to have acted unlawfully in awarding contracts? How about this then???
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19/02/2021 18:21:26 3 0
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It's already at the High Court if you read the article???
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19/02/2021 19:04:01 4 0
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Are you aware that Tory papers are also running the story ?.

Do they also hate her ?
Hanging, no
Birch, no
National Service, no
National Insurance, no

I bet you're a pensioner.
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19/02/2021 16:54:13 0 2
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more expert review
not enough to do in Spain
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19/02/2021 12:58:03 5 22
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Law 1 Bring back Hanging, Law 2 Bring back the Birch, Law 3 Environment at the top of the list, Law 4 National Service reintroduced, You don't serve your country, bottom of the quere, Law 5 Education, Bring back Tech & Poly Techs, universities for the top 10% Law 6, No National insurance contributions no access to NHS, Pensions Etc.
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19/02/2021 16:59:17 1 0
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Farage.?
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19/02/2021 17:02:49 4 2
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Most of the laws are copies of EU ones.
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19/02/2021 17:43:46 12 2
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In that case they should be decent, good & fair laws then...
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20/02/2021 16:53:03 0 0
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Buffoon, try to think sensibly if you can, or maybe you can't which is typical alt left
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19/02/2021 12:58:03 5 22
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Law 1 Bring back Hanging, Law 2 Bring back the Birch, Law 3 Environment at the top of the list, Law 4 National Service reintroduced, You don't serve your country, bottom of the quere, Law 5 Education, Bring back Tech & Poly Techs, universities for the top 10% Law 6, No National insurance contributions no access to NHS, Pensions Etc.
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19/02/2021 17:06:41 4 1
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"Law 6, No National insurance contributions no access to NHS, Pensions Etc."

So you're proposing a law which is effectively genocide for the disabled?
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19/02/2021 16:49:29 5 1
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How would enacting new legislation have an effect on treating Covid cases. Most MPs or Civil Servants don't work on Covid related matters.
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19/02/2021 17:19:43 0 1
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Simple... they want & have to spend time in parliament to debate any new or modified legislation (legislation isn't passed without going through parliament first) and that would use up time they could/ should be using to sort out the damage of Covid...

All MP's have a say in how the recovery from this pandemic should be done, if they didn't "Work on it" they wouldn't be doing their jobs...
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19/02/2021 17:49:25 0 1
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PS: forgot to ask but.. Who said anything about "treating Covid cases" other than yourself of course ???
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19/02/2021 17:25:22 1 4
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Why not just rule by Decree. The World's Greatest Democracy seems to do it all the time; no matter, which party is in power!
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19/02/2021 17:43:07 0 2
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I never knew the Greeks were like that !!! surely you jest !!!
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20/02/2021 06:35:20 1 1
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This Administration has been chided by the Speaker & by its' own backbenchers for an atypical use of Henry VIII powers & other machinations, designed to limit or even prevent Parliamentary scrutiny.
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19/02/2021 17:25:22 1 4
bbc
Why not just rule by Decree. The World's Greatest Democracy seems to do it all the time; no matter, which party is in power!
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19/02/2021 17:43:07 0 2
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I never knew the Greeks were like that !!! surely you jest !!!
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19/02/2021 17:02:49 4 2
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Most of the laws are copies of EU ones.
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19/02/2021 17:43:46 12 2
bbc
In that case they should be decent, good & fair laws then...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56125796

This is a typical BBC non story against the minister they most dislike. There is not going to be a High Court Case the Civil Servant has yet to win the Tribunal which quite frankly he will find difficult and on reading about the log jam of cases it might never happen!
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19/02/2021 17:46:45 4 2
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"Tribunal" !!! not sure where you think you read that in this article but rest assured your strange paranoia there about the BBC and non existent "tribunal" are merely figments of your imagination !!!
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19/02/2021 17:19:43 0 1
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Simple... they want & have to spend time in parliament to debate any new or modified legislation (legislation isn't passed without going through parliament first) and that would use up time they could/ should be using to sort out the damage of Covid...

All MP's have a say in how the recovery from this pandemic should be done, if they didn't "Work on it" they wouldn't be doing their jobs...
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19/02/2021 17:49:25 0 1
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PS: forgot to ask but.. Who said anything about "treating Covid cases" other than yourself of course ???
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19/02/2021 15:38:46 0 0
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It was the eco people protesting about the current situation of the UK not being green etc. They lock them selves to railings, the floor, and doors etc., to cause disruption - civil disobedience, effectively.

They stopped newspapers being delivered in the south, by blocking the road. So she wanted to denote them as terrorists/organised crime.

They have appeared on counter-terrorism watch list
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19/02/2021 17:53:03 0 0
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Thanks for the reply, glad I didn't look it up now...

Hardly "terrorists" if that's the kind of stuff they do more just like harmless loonies to me...
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19/02/2021 19:56:22 0 1
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Their heart is in the right place, and what they do is just disruption.

In 2019 they were getting on well with the Police in London, it was all rather amicable, but the politicians et al got involved and the police were forced to be less friendly.

This move by the government just shows how they lack the capability to deal with the real issues in the UK, and behave in a manner to look good.
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19/02/2021 11:12:17 46 14
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The danger with COVID is that it provides a smokescreen for the government to pass legislation without proper scrutiny and challenge.
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19/02/2021 18:00:38 7 4
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Especially this elitist extreme right wing bunch that we're stuck with for almost another 4 years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56125796

This is a typical BBC non story against the minister they most dislike. There is not going to be a High Court Case the Civil Servant has yet to win the Tribunal which quite frankly he will find difficult and on reading about the log jam of cases it might never happen!
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19/02/2021 18:02:23 6 1
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Can we talk about Hancock being the latest Tory Minister to have been found to have acted unlawfully in awarding contracts? How about this then???
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19/02/2021 13:00:49 10 1
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The original comment says 'provides', a bit like the government introducing a bill that 'enabled' the government to break international law.
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19/02/2021 18:03:17 4 1
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A bill that was swiftly voted and passed by members of almost all sides in the house & NOT passed solely by the goverment.

Huge difference between doing that & pretending that the house was not given the chance to vote against it and somehow the government just passed it without the chance to object to it as is being suggested by some.

I'm not a Tory supporter, I just like to deal in facts...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56125796

This is a typical BBC non story against the minister they most dislike. There is not going to be a High Court Case the Civil Servant has yet to win the Tribunal which quite frankly he will find difficult and on reading about the log jam of cases it might never happen!
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19/02/2021 18:21:26 3 0
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It's already at the High Court if you read the article???
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56125796

This is a typical BBC non story against the minister they most dislike. There is not going to be a High Court Case the Civil Servant has yet to win the Tribunal which quite frankly he will find difficult and on reading about the log jam of cases it might never happen!
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19/02/2021 19:04:01 4 0
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Are you aware that Tory papers are also running the story ?.

Do they also hate her ?
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19/02/2021 12:57:00 24 3
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You don't have to be an elected MP to be in the Cabinet, You don't even have to be an elected MP to be the Prime Minister. That one is just a custom, but for many years the PM was never an elected MP. It was someone from the House of Lords, but theoretically the PM only has to be the leader of the party with the majority. Not very democratic.
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19/02/2021 19:12:42 3 4
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But you are fine with Ursula and Michel though ??
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20/02/2021 06:43:56 6 0
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Von der Leyen & the other EU Presidents were elected by EU member states' elected representatives.
Michel Barnier is an EU civil servant.
Do you elect UK civil servants?
Did you elect Frost?
Do you elect UK Special Advisors?
EU legislature is bicameral, like UK.
Both EU chambers are elected. Only one of UK's is.
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20/02/2021 15:22:47 1 0
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Did you vote for bojo as a resident of his constituency, as a tory mp during 1st stage, and/or a member of the party during the 2nd stage
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19/02/2021 17:53:03 0 0
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Thanks for the reply, glad I didn't look it up now...

Hardly "terrorists" if that's the kind of stuff they do more just like harmless loonies to me...
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19/02/2021 19:56:22 0 1
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Their heart is in the right place, and what they do is just disruption.

In 2019 they were getting on well with the Police in London, it was all rather amicable, but the politicians et al got involved and the police were forced to be less friendly.

This move by the government just shows how they lack the capability to deal with the real issues in the UK, and behave in a manner to look good.
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19/02/2021 19:56:38 7 3
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Why do we need new laws .
If politicians had been doing their job the old ones would have been sufficient.
Case proven politicians had not been doing the job we pay them to do.
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20/02/2021 10:09:15 2 1
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I have said this before, if they are not doing anything, and the country continues to function, then, we do not need MP's.

They have their summer recess, and the country still functions.
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19/02/2021 20:25:52 0 9
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We don’t need any new laws. It’s bad enough with covid without having some daft new laws. One thing we definitely don’t need is a ban on grouse shooting for example. That would be terrible.
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20/02/2021 10:06:29 1 1
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I do believe you left off the "/sarcasm" warning......
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19/02/2021 12:58:03 5 22
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Law 1 Bring back Hanging, Law 2 Bring back the Birch, Law 3 Environment at the top of the list, Law 4 National Service reintroduced, You don't serve your country, bottom of the quere, Law 5 Education, Bring back Tech & Poly Techs, universities for the top 10% Law 6, No National insurance contributions no access to NHS, Pensions Etc.
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19/02/2021 20:40:06 0 1
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Welcome to North Korea.
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19/02/2021 22:30:55 4 1
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The government can always say, ‘Emergency Covid regulation.’
In fact oresently the government could even change tax rate to 75% if they wanted.. Emergency Covid !
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19/02/2021 23:12:02 2 5
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It seems utterly ridiculous that some MPs are happy for people to die of Covid because they can't get hold of their favourite French cheese.
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20/02/2021 10:26:12 2 2
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many happy for others to die when they cripple our healthcare.
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20/02/2021 10:27:26 2 1
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I think someone has put something in your haggis
Since when has brie or Camembert been a Covid vector?
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19/02/2021 23:59:00 1 2
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Don’t mind if there are some new laws that make sense.

If there is to be news laws get rid of some of the old laws that don’t make sense.
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20/02/2021 09:12:03 2 1
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Thank you for your input . . .
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19/02/2021 17:25:22 1 4
bbc
Why not just rule by Decree. The World's Greatest Democracy seems to do it all the time; no matter, which party is in power!
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20/02/2021 06:35:20 1 1
bbc
This Administration has been chided by the Speaker & by its' own backbenchers for an atypical use of Henry VIII powers & other machinations, designed to limit or even prevent Parliamentary scrutiny.
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19/02/2021 15:12:33 5 3
bbc
I am really missing JRM on the TV could someone wheel him out soon.
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20/02/2021 06:35:48 0 0
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Parliament Channel, unfortunately
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19/02/2021 14:49:34 18 2
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Can we pass a law that commits all MP’s to pass an annual veracity audit? Porkies get you your P45?

I set a high bar 98% truth.

We all expect MPs to lie so we really must do something about it.
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20/02/2021 06:37:15 2 1
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Does annual veracity audit mean they only have to tell the truth once a year?
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19/02/2021 13:16:00 3 3
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How is that "for certain"? You've only given your opinion.
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20/02/2021 06:39:38 0 0
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I think it also rather depends on which law(s) they're referring to. Gordon Bennett, hasn't even mentioned a broad CLASS of law..... Criminal, civil, contract, tax etc.
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19/02/2021 19:12:42 3 4
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But you are fine with Ursula and Michel though ??
95
20/02/2021 06:43:56 6 0
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Von der Leyen & the other EU Presidents were elected by EU member states' elected representatives.
Michel Barnier is an EU civil servant.
Do you elect UK civil servants?
Did you elect Frost?
Do you elect UK Special Advisors?
EU legislature is bicameral, like UK.
Both EU chambers are elected. Only one of UK's is.
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19/02/2021 13:25:51 14 3
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JRM odious creature
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20/02/2021 06:47:10 0 1
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Have to confess something. Much as I loathe his current persona, I reckon deep down JRM is a decent soul..... Sadly, though, youngest son corrupted by overbearing father. He's not only taken on the mantle of EU 'dragonslayer', where his pater failed, but also taken on William's mannerisms. Very Oedipal.
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20/02/2021 08:21:36 8 3
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More new laws to hide behind once Covid emergency ends and the untouchable unaccountable PM and cabinet have to start answering questions.More stabbing in the back but the chosen ones do no wrong whatever.
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