Coronavirus: 'No jab, no job' policies may be legal for new staff
18/02/2021 | news | business | 3,406
It may be legal to insist on vaccinations in new staff contracts, the justice secretary says.
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18/02/2021 14:44:04 208 105
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What kind of world are we now living in?
Not mandatory they said, but try getting a job, beer, meal or a holiday if you don't.
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18/02/2021 14:46:52 207 58
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Companies, restaurants etc. taking control and protecting themselves against litigation if someone catches the virus on their premises.
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18/02/2021 14:50:40 25 30
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Sorry you think you get to choose the ant vax path and not face consequences for it.

Boo hoo hoo, so sad for you
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18/02/2021 14:52:36 11 15
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Your choice. If you don't want to do any of those things, don't have it....
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18/02/2021 14:57:23 17 20
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well like you're always saying.... your choice

get the jab or stay in lockdown. take your pick mate.
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18/02/2021 15:04:28 8 13
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As a society, we've pretty much just decided we don't want your stinking disease. It's not acceptable to rub your foot fungus in our faces at work and it's not acceptable to breathe coronavirus over us either. You have been purged.
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BD
18/02/2021 15:05:07 10 5
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The world will no doubt calm down on this issue.
But meanwhile, perhaps for example think whether you would want eg a care professional who had refused the vaccine to visit a vulnerable family member ...
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18/02/2021 15:08:28 8 8
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There will be a lot of unemployment when lockdown ends. So it makes sense to be as employable as possible so have a vaccination if one is offered to you.
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18/02/2021 15:12:58 12 11
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We are living in a world of grim reality: my right to protect my staff and customers from your selfish desire to have a choice over the vaccine overrides your right to be selfish, not matter what woolly bleating might come from members of the Government.
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18/02/2021 15:18:19 3 5
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Its the way it should be. If you opt out of taking the sensible route of having vaccine then you opt out of other social situations. Nobody can have it always i'm afraid.
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18/02/2021 15:24:49 3 2
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Yup, not mandatory, not "not without consequence".
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V4V
18/02/2021 15:20:49 9 1
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Exactly, we are heading the the road of "it's not mandatory, but........"
A very dangerous route.
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18/02/2021 15:27:30 2 0
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yeah but does not apply to flu vaccine
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18/02/2021 15:43:15 1 2
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We live in a world where there are consequences to your actions.
If you break a law, you go to prison.

If you don't (not can't) get vaccinated, there should be consequences of your actions.
18/02/2021 16:11:26 0 0
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A safer world.
18/02/2021 16:18:02 1 0
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Nothing to stop the Covidiots having a meal and a beer together in a bar owned by other Covidiots, or going on holiday within the U.K. And stay in venues owned by similar Covidiots. Not sure they will be in sufficient number to buy an aircraft for foreign holidays though. Cheaper and more public spirited to just get the jab!
18/02/2021 16:25:42 0 0
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everything we choose to do or not to do has consequences this is just another one of those choices and consequences of life
18/02/2021 16:28:53 0 0
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how negative can you get?. Mandatory, not really is it, it,s a matter of how much respect you have for other people.
18/02/2021 16:42:59 0 1
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It's mandatory vaccination being brought in through the back door. You don't have to have the vaccine but living a normal life will be near impossible. I hope there's very strong opposition to this.

Freedom of choice doesn't exist any more.
18/02/2021 16:56:02 0 0
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why should pubs let you in if you haven't contributed towards them reopening by having the vaccine? I wouldn't, probably weed out a few trouble making idiots at the same time too.
18/02/2021 17:16:37 0 0
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1984
18/02/2021 17:27:41 0 0
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I’m not religious but I can see where the religious nutters are getting their mark of the beast stuff.
18/02/2021 17:23:42 0 0
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"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." - Revelation 13:16-17
18/02/2021 18:10:18 0 0
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18/02/2021 22:25:51 1 0
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"Not mandatory they said, but try getting a job, beer, meal or a holiday if you don't."

Then campaign to change the laws of "Duty of Care".

Employers have it, people like you will happily sue us if you think we gave you the virus, other people will happily sue us if we employ you and you catch the virus and bring it to our workplaces - so you know what - I'll pass thank you!
19/02/2021 09:30:39 0 0
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Exactly Johnny - some/most of the replies on here beggar belief.
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18/02/2021 14:44:10 29 25
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Will staff have the right to know if they're being expected or forced to work with anti-vaxers?
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18/02/2021 14:45:56 19 7
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Likewise customers suppliers and other visitors?
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18/02/2021 14:53:31 2 4
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No Vaccination is a SERIOUS HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE ~ No Job. Simples.
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18/02/2021 14:53:49 2 2
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If you have been vaccinated, what difference does it make?
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18/02/2021 15:05:31 4 1
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Would you like an armband for people not vaccinated to wear so you can avoid them ? Just wondered, and I draw no parallels.
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18/02/2021 15:14:06 2 1
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They will already know, have you ever meet an anti-vaxer that won't shut up about it
18/02/2021 17:11:13 2 0
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You do realise that it's not just antivaxxers who are against this? It's easy to throw around words without understanding the actual situation that could arise from this I've have multiple vaccinations during my lifetime including ones 'recommended' for travel BUT this is a rushed vaccine where the long term effects have not and cannot be determined.
18/02/2021 17:20:19 2 0
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Why would you wory about that, sure if you're vaccinated you will be ok anyway.
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18/02/2021 14:44:46 10 17
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Why does this sound oddly familiar?

Oh yeah, Revelation 13:15–18...
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18/02/2021 14:51:02 11 9
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Books allegedly written by men wondering around in a desert 2000 years ago.

Shouldn’t you be bothering women outside an abortion centre?
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18/02/2021 15:07:36 3 1
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You'll have to help me out here, I used my bible for rolling when I was out of skins.
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18/02/2021 14:44:51 24 33
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Boycott Pimlico Plumbers.
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18/02/2021 14:49:49 11 8
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It's better and easier to boycott any anti vaxxer from any social, financial or employable activities.
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18/02/2021 14:50:45 2 4
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No
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18/02/2021 14:51:15 5 0
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Plumbers, by the nature of their job, need to come into your home. I'm betting a lot of vulnerable people will see it as a big plus and be sure to call Pimlico Plumbers first!
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18/02/2021 14:52:27 1 0
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Boycott his plastic surgeon if Mullin's appearance yesterday on C4 news is anything to go by
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18/02/2021 14:54:44 2 0
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A would rather have a vaccinated plumber.
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18/02/2021 14:45:06 108 63
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I'm pretty sure that it is illegal for an employer to demand to see an employee's medical records under medical confidentiality and Caldicott principles.
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18/02/2021 14:52:57 180 77
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No proof of Vaccination ~ SERIOUS HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE ~ No Job. Simples.
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18/02/2021 14:53:46 22 4
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Where does the report mention asking to see medical records? The principle could be as simple as asking candidates to confirm if they've had a vaccine or not. If they later prove to have lied, tested under whatever means, then they face dismissal under breach of contract.
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18/02/2021 14:58:42 24 8
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Pretty sure one of the first things you fill out when beginning a job with any large company or institution is a medical questionnaire for their occupational health department, signing it to confirm you give them the right to request relevant medical history from your doctor. So, just get the vaccine.
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18/02/2021 15:06:16 8 1
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Where does it state that an employer would need to see the employee's records.
All the employee should need is a statement by the doctor that the employee can't have the vaccine.
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18/02/2021 15:06:19 13 0
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Think you need to check out health and safety a employer has a duty to protect the workforce and it’s customers.
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18/02/2021 15:13:04 9 0
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Employers routinely check lots of official records. DVLA, police record etc....
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18/02/2021 15:31:06 2 0
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So is that why so many people employed as drivers are half blind?
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18/02/2021 15:26:28 1 2
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pretty illegal and they don't have to have flu vaccine either
VoR
18/02/2021 15:50:54 0 0
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Depends on what it is and why.
18/02/2021 16:11:55 4 0
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I've had a contract in the past that required certain vaccinations for company insurance to travel to specific countries

I had the choice of proving existing vaccine cover, accepting the appt for the new jab or being uninsured and therefore not able to do my job. It's nothing new. I can't see what all the fuss is about!
18/02/2021 16:15:20 1 0
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They won't need to see it. But no proof of jab, no job.
Sam
18/02/2021 16:20:06 3 1
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And as an employer I'm 100% sure that I have a duty of care to all of my staff and if a future employee could jepordise that then they wouldn't be employed. e.g. if Covid does stay around and you refuse to be protected, then it's perfectly fair that for the protection of other employees, you will be overlooked....
18/02/2021 16:36:40 2 0
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not if you work in certain professions and it's in the terms of the employment that you agree to when taking the job...try making a medical claim on insurance and see if your 'Caldicott principles hold up
18/02/2021 18:35:34 0 0
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If you are offered a set of "conditions of employment" it's YOUR choice if you accept the job. False pride and believing crap is of course your choice - but others don't have to put up with YOUR indifference to the public good. Employers shoud not be able to change conditions willy nilly - but if the conditions they offer YOU aren't suitable - for YOU - don't take the job.
19/02/2021 12:47:33 0 0
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Not actually true - if it is deemed appropriate for the job then you can. Regarding the vaccine it hasnt been tested yet (precedent) so it could turn out the its lawfully acceptable to see if you have had the vaccine ......... we just dont know yet.
19/02/2021 15:17:50 0 0
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There are so many reasons that a person could be medically exempt from vaccination, that asking for either proof that they have had it, OR simple confirmation from GP that they are exempt with no detail is not likely to lead to any disclosure of specific private data.
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18/02/2021 14:45:40 77 60
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"Taking a vaccine is not mandatory and it would be discriminatory to force somebody to take one."
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18/02/2021 14:54:07 97 18
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So if someone refuses to take a vaccine (without valid medical reasons), they then become infected and infect someone who cannot take a vaccine (for valid medical reasons), which person in this scenario is being discriminated against?
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18/02/2021 15:00:58 10 1
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Indeed, and this is where it gets difficult.
If you had a vulnerable, elderly on not, member of your family needing carer visits, going forward would you accept visits from a carer who had refused the vaccine?
Personally, I would not.
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18/02/2021 15:10:07 6 0
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No-one is being forced to do anything - just like any other contractual obligations, you are free to choose to decline a job offer if you don’t like the terms of the contract...
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18/02/2021 15:13:25 7 1
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Having a vaccine to travel or holiday in some countries is mandatory , so why not for a job
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Bob
18/02/2021 15:23:18 6 0
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Driving is not mandatory yet many professions require a licence.
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18/02/2021 15:26:15 2 0
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I'm sure a border guard abroad will take that same attitude if it's mandatory to have the vaccine to travel to that country.... nope, it'll be back on the plane/boat for you. Staycations it will be for you.
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18/02/2021 15:35:05 5 0
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Nobody is being forced but it is part of company rules especially health and safety , then you choose to have the job or not. You are NOT being forced.
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18/02/2021 15:29:08 0 0
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Medical staff don't have to have flu vaccine
18/02/2021 15:49:06 0 0
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They wouldn't force someone; they just wouldn't be offered a job with the company they applied to. Very simple really whether you agree or not.
xlr
18/02/2021 15:51:17 0 0
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It's discriminatory to force someone to wear a uniform if they don't want to as well.

Of course the answer back in these cases is, "If you don't want to wear the uniform, fine. You're just not working for us."

No difference here, as far as employment law goes.
VoR
18/02/2021 15:53:47 0 0
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Technically it would be less discriminatory to force everyone to be vaccinated, rather than taking account of whether they want to be vaccinated.

You are actually suggesting that vaccination should discriminate based on whether or not someone wants vaccination.

By not getting vaccinated you place a greater cost on the taxpayer and you threaten the lives of others. Medical exemption acceptable.
18/02/2021 16:45:21 1 0
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you make choices, they have consequences that's life!!
discriminatory in what way? being an idiot thats watched a 10 minute video on youtube by bubba from arkansa and believes that over qualified scientists isn't a race, creed, sexuality, disability or religion. Removed
18/02/2021 18:45:31 0 0
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No one is "forcing you to" - if you don't want to, don't take this job - but go to an irresponsible employer!
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18/02/2021 14:45:52 37 27
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What a monumental change for employment law. I don't think there are any examples of an employee being forced to take a medication as a condition of the role and we all know business are going to be jumping on anything to attract business back; even if it involves medicating their employees against their wishes. Could the employee sue the business if the medication were to cause harm?
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18/02/2021 14:53:50 13 7
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"Could the employee sue the business if the medication were to cause harm?"
Interesting question, to which I doubt there is a logical answer, but in this case it is not a "medication", it's a vaccine ...
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18/02/2021 15:01:04 5 1
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I'll give you an example - surgeons have to have Hepatitis jab. No jab, no work, and I've never heard a single one complain.
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18/02/2021 15:16:33 2 1
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Even if it is against someones wishes it is there to protect others. Just as the regulations on smoking indoors, drugs and alcohol in the workplace, amongst others, have evolved over time.
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18/02/2021 15:22:56 2 7
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Until I see wealthy people being forced out of the excessive number of homes and given to the needy, What vaccine? what pandemic? Dont know what you're on about, sounds like a consipracy theory, or worse, man-made in a lab. Not interested. Other problems are more important in my view.

Do I care what you or the media mouthpiecse say?

NO
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18/02/2021 15:33:08 0 0
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Healthcare workers are usually required to have been vaccinated for hepatitis, so precedent already exists.
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18/02/2021 15:29:25 0 0
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you will have to have yearly flu vaccine now
18/02/2021 15:51:33 0 0
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Oh yes there are.... Armed Services for one
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18/02/2021 14:44:10 29 25
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Will staff have the right to know if they're being expected or forced to work with anti-vaxers?
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18/02/2021 14:45:56 19 7
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Likewise customers suppliers and other visitors?
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18/02/2021 15:22:12 0 0
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We can only hope so,
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18/02/2021 14:46:02 15 19
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It's about time the pendulum swung in favour of the business owners - for too long you've been in the wrong for hiring someone simply because "they wouldn't fit in". The threat of tribunals and so on scare companies into hiring (or not firing) people they don't want, and while that may be good for the unemployment figures isn't good for the companies or for society on the whole.
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18/02/2021 14:52:13 6 4
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No Vaccination ~ SERIOUS HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE ~ No Job. Simples.
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18/02/2021 14:52:31 0 2
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No Vaccination = SERIOUS HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE ~ No Job. Simples.
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18/02/2021 15:15:44 0 0
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Well, if you decide to fire somebody just because you felt like it, or perhaps because they did not succumb to your charms, in your world you would be absolutely free to do so.

Fortunately, there are employment laws against such behaviour. You may call them "red tape" but I call them worker protection. And standards of living are typically higher in countries with such laws.
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18/02/2021 14:46:19 488 172
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Good. This anti-vax nonsense has to stop. Maybe this will encourage anti-vax idiots to rethink their position.
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18/02/2021 14:49:29 123 231
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how about people who cannot take the vaccine?

"Sorry you're job offer is withdrawn because of a medical condition which may prevent you taking the jab"

any such proposal to do this must be carefully balanced, and exceptions written in. Otherwise you will be discriminating against some, and action against you would be justified,
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18/02/2021 14:50:50 32 89
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Nope, I’m not anti vax just pro choice...are you really as simple as you sound?
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18/02/2021 15:03:54 12 32
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an opinion contrary to yours, based on reviewing a spread of data, does not make me "anti-vax" but might challenge the overall perception of risk held by many - and do not call me an idiot - that's just impolite...
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18/02/2021 15:10:13 15 1
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I'm not too sure. It would be pretty hard to wilfully go from knowing more than the best scientists in the world to knowing absolutely nothing and accepting that your life is complete garbage.
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18/02/2021 15:11:21 7 14
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Many of the "antivax idiots" you refer to are very well educated...... The media always focusses on the small proportion of cranks who believe its genetic warfare underway by the world government. But it is not going "to stop" and when the the vaccines are made mandatory and you can't work without one, the violence will start.
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18/02/2021 15:14:23 4 8
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If someone knocked out a chickenpox vaccine, would you have, no. Why, you dont need it. So welcome to the anti-vax club.
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18/02/2021 15:03:39 2 9
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Pro vax has had it's day.
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18/02/2021 15:08:12 4 4
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Vaccines help reduce the severity of the illness should you become infected. It does not prevent you catching it or infecting others. The benefit comes from the reduction of severely ill patients needing hospitalisation. The decision to have the vaccine or not should be left to the individual. its everyone's right to make lifestyle choices good or bad whilst considering the impact on others.
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18/02/2021 15:09:05 0 4
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No. You can keep me.
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18/02/2021 15:18:20 5 4
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How about the fact that being vaccinated does not prevent retransmission asymptomatic or not?
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18/02/2021 15:17:19 5 4
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Except that, even if you've had the vaccine you can still catch and spread the virus. The only person you are helping is yourself. If people want to take the risk of not having it and 'possibly' suffering harsher symptoms, than that's their choice. They are not harming anyone else any more than you are.
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18/02/2021 15:27:39 5 1
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If you would be so good as to wear a badge declaring your anti-vax, I'll be sure to distance myself appropriately. I have choices too.
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18/02/2021 15:31:26 7 2
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Not an anti vac quote the opposite but I respect their choice
But choices have consequences
No inoculation
No job
No out of region travel
No public buildings
Etc
If you don’t want to get the correct kit
Don’t cry and stamp your feet when everyone else won’t let you play
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18/02/2021 15:26:00 0 1
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Hope you had your flu vaccine
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18/02/2021 15:35:43 4 6
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Choosing not to take the vaccine does not make me either "anti-vax" or an "idiot". If the vaccine is so great at protecting everyone, I shouldn't be required to have it as my condition will have no effect on anyone else. People who follow the rhetoric without question are the "idiots"...
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18/02/2021 15:31:12 1 2
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Nope never
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18/02/2021 15:43:48 2 1
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Right - before even insisting that people have the vaccine to work/travel/live etc... is there now strong, peer reviewed evidence that the vaccine prevents transmission at all? Last time I checked it wasn't clear, and the only person the vaccine protects is the person that has had the vaccine.
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18/02/2021 15:44:54 0 0
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you are all missing the point if you have a vaccination you are protected against severe disease they keep saying you may still pass on the virus or get mild illness so it is those unvaccinated people who are a big risk and that is to themselves
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18/02/2021 15:48:09 2 4
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Good indeed. Thank god I run my own business. My only rule is not to employ anyone like you.
18/02/2021 16:00:57 0 3
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Absolute RUBBISH.
18/02/2021 16:02:07 0 2
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Big difference between a someone who is anti-vax and someone who just does not want it, total ignorance on your behalf.
18/02/2021 16:08:18 1 0
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They will when Spain says no vac, no Benidorm.
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18/02/2021 14:44:04 208 105
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What kind of world are we now living in?
Not mandatory they said, but try getting a job, beer, meal or a holiday if you don't.
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18/02/2021 14:46:52 207 58
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Companies, restaurants etc. taking control and protecting themselves against litigation if someone catches the virus on their premises.
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18/02/2021 14:51:58 25 9
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But you can catch and spread it after being vaccinated, so how will they stop someone getting it on their property?
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D
18/02/2021 15:19:09 4 0
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How can anybody ever prove where they caught a virus? It can't be done.
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18/02/2021 15:22:05 5 3
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Until I see wealthy people being forced out of the excessive number of homes and given to the needy, What vaccine? what pandemic? Dont know what you're on about, sounds like a consipracy theory, or worse, man-made in a lab. Not interested. Other problems are more important in my view.

Do I care what you or the media mouthpiecse say?

NO
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18/02/2021 15:32:08 3 0
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There would be no way to prove a person caught the virus on company premises. They could have caught it on public transport on their way to work..
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M12
18/02/2021 15:33:47 4 4
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Yes because the courts are full of businesses being sued because a customer caught the flu!
If it didn’t happen with the flu why would it sound any less absurd to suggest people can sue for catching other viruses?
18/02/2021 16:27:18 0 0
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in this litigious society with 'no win no fee' solicitors 'everywhere' sounds sensible to me
18/02/2021 16:32:33 0 0
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Nonsense fear of a non-existent law suit.

If my pumber gave me polio, measles, mumps, flu, typhoid, or ebola last year, that would be "tough luck".

If I catch any of those in a hotel, cafe, bar, brother, office or railway; tough luck on me,

Very thin edge of a very dangerous wedge.

Have I been vaccinated against x, y, z? Do I smoke? Am i fat? Do I excercise enough?
18/02/2021 16:39:29 0 0
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the flu kills just as many and affects far more people every year with a vaccine programme thats been about for years, so how would someone prove they caught it in a certain premises and not somewhere else they were, wise up always looking for litigation { sound like a typical yank }
18/02/2021 16:44:02 0 0
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how would you prove you got the virus in a certain venue or from another person what if the vax does not stop transmission ,unless the vax stops a very high percentage of transmission they is no reason to prove your medical history to any non medical person
18/02/2021 17:03:30 0 1
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But the jab doesn't stop you from carrying the virus, and is more likely to make you asymptomatic. So they aren't 'protecting themselves against litigation' as there is no litigation regarding lack of vaccination to protect against???
18/02/2021 21:54:52 0 0
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How would anyone ever be able to prove where they caught a virus?
19/02/2021 08:28:20 0 0
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Wen can you sue someone or any business for catching a virus on their premises? Don't talk rubbish, every workplace and school would have been in court years ago!
19/02/2021 09:31:32 0 0
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If that person is vaccinated how could they catch the virus?
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18/02/2021 14:46:55 11 13
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If you are going to have had the vaccination to get a new job, then surly it would make senses to have a passport to show you have had it done
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18/02/2021 15:06:04 1 0
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Maybe they should ACTUALLY put microchips in the vaccine. Kill two birds.
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18/02/2021 14:47:39 21 20
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Cue the anti vaxxer and conspiracy theories.

Lead your decision making from the science and data and not the noise made by the tin foil hat brigade.
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18/02/2021 14:49:56 8 11
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How about freedom of choice? Truly, free to decide for oneself and in turn let others decide for themselves
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18/02/2021 15:31:30 0 0
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yeah you don't have to have the flu vaccine whats the difference

remoaner sheepies
18/02/2021 17:04:00 0 0
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Cool. Can you tell you tell me scientific data pertaining to any potential long term effects of the vaccines?
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18/02/2021 14:48:25 209 35
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Staff who mix with a wide range of people in their jobs really do need to consider taking the jab. Contracts can include all sorts of conditions, so if the position merits it, then why not include this as a condition, makes sense to me.
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18/02/2021 14:56:53 226 40
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Yes, they don't have to take that job. But the person with a leaking pipe flooding their house has no choice but to call the plumber and is entitled to know that plumber isn't going to infect them!
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18/02/2021 15:25:38 2 0
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yeah will be law to take flu vaccine too
18/02/2021 16:49:37 2 0
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I think that's right. A key part of your statement is 'if the position merits it', that might be what is more difficult to define.
18/02/2021 18:07:50 1 0
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So true as long as each individual has a choice.
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18/02/2021 14:48:46 18 17
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Deniers can whinge all they like. Choices have consequences in the real world, and you're going to need to take responsibility for those consequences.
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18/02/2021 15:13:11 0 3
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Oh dear, you do realise you can still get and spread the virus even if you've had the vaccine. The only person you are helping by having it is yourself.
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18/02/2021 14:48:47 96 61
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Private medical history should be just that. Private.
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18/02/2021 14:52:26 92 10
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Does that include holiday vaccines?
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18/02/2021 15:16:24 25 8
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That's fine, you have a right to choose not to disclose....... But I won't employ you, because I also have I right to choose........
18/02/2021 16:16:52 8 1
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Nobody is saying anybody is going to access your medical records, so nobody will discover your embarrassing exotic disease.
Sam
18/02/2021 16:22:15 8 3
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It can be.....but then don't expect a job, a holiday or anything else where you might come into contact with others as why should they care about you, when you don't care about them?
18/02/2021 16:27:10 12 0
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If you want to visit Tanzania it is mandatory to produce a Yellow Fever certificate to gain entry, precedent already there
19/02/2021 07:51:45 0 0
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In private commercial businesses it is illegal to ask for medical information prior to a job offer. If you have a previous condition that prevents you being vaccinated you would land up having to disclose that. The company would then be contravening the Equality Act.
As well why should a vaccinated person want to join an organisation where existing staff aren't compelled to have the jab?
19/02/2021 12:48:47 0 0
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unless it could be needed for your role .......... for example I am a Physiotherapist, it would be insane to think I could refuse access to my PRIVATE records as it is important for my role.
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18/02/2021 14:48:53 7 7
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But the working age population are currently not in scope for the vaccine. For those in their 20s or 30s, it could be as late as July.
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18/02/2021 14:49:00 19 16
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Seriously dark days
543
18/02/2021 15:28:41 0 2
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Nope, it's seriously happy, bright days: we might finally be getting the courage to take on that scourge of society that is the person who thinks they should have the choice on whether to be a risk to other people's health or not. This "I'm entitled to be selfish" attitude has to be brought to an end.
Pip
18/02/2021 16:11:55 1 0
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Do we remember the furore when killer AIDS first started, now nothing. MERS, SARS, quickly faded, Covid in a few years time probably in the same place.

It'll be something else that's flavour of the moment for HYS'ers to finger tap to..........?
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18/02/2021 14:49:00 26 26
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We can only hope this happens. It's consistent with health and safety legislation.
57
18/02/2021 14:53:14 17 24
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NO its not. Its end of personal freedoms.
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D
18/02/2021 15:29:38 1 1
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If it was, companies would have been insisting that their staff were vaccinated against all manner of diseases. But they don't. Because they only care about Covid, even though it is much less harmful than a lot of other diseases that you can be vaccinated against.
645
18/02/2021 15:28:21 0 0
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so you had the flu vaccine by law
10
18/02/2021 14:46:19 488 172
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Good. This anti-vax nonsense has to stop. Maybe this will encourage anti-vax idiots to rethink their position.
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18/02/2021 14:49:29 123 231
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how about people who cannot take the vaccine?

"Sorry you're job offer is withdrawn because of a medical condition which may prevent you taking the jab"

any such proposal to do this must be carefully balanced, and exceptions written in. Otherwise you will be discriminating against some, and action against you would be justified,
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18/02/2021 14:56:27 85 4
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There's can't take the vaccine, and won't take the vaccine
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18/02/2021 15:03:16 11 3
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Such a refusal will undoubtedly be illegal
193
18/02/2021 15:06:19 41 3
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There are some who can't have the jab for medical reasons. It's all the more important then that those who can do, so that those who can't are protected through herd immunity.
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18/02/2021 15:07:42 53 4
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Easy: those that genuinely *cannot* have the vaccine get written proof from a GP stating this and they become exempt from the vaccine requirement. What mustn't happen is for the anti-vax brigade to hide behind this as an excuse for not getting it when they could.
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18/02/2021 15:10:01 3 4
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@Circuitbreaker, Pimlico have said that medical grounds are the only reasons they would take new hires without the vaccine. i think this will be the case for all employers who chose to implement 'No jab no job' which may i add i feel is a great idea.
Until I see wealthy people being forced out of the excessive number of homes and given to the needy, What vaccine? what pandemic? Dont know what you're on about, sounds like a consipracy theory, or worse, man-made in a lab. Not interested. Other problems are more important in my view.

Do I care what you or the media mouthpiecse say?

NO
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742
18/02/2021 15:38:11 2 0
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So you want to be a builder, but can't lift anything heavier that 100g due to your back. If you don't give me the job I'll scream : "Discrimination!!!!!"
833
18/02/2021 15:41:36 2 1
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That unfortunately would be a case of tough luck for the person concerned. The line has to be drawn somewhere. A case of the needs of the many coming before the needs of the few, unfortunately.
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VoR
18/02/2021 15:45:57 1 0
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I don't think many people expect that they would be subject to this rule.
18/02/2021 15:58:00 0 0
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If they've got a medical condition they wouldn't be fit to do the job anyway, pointless even mentioning them.
18/02/2021 16:00:27 2 0
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THEN UNDER YOURE OWN HEALTH AND SAFETY YOU DONT GET THE JOB.... this happens across a few industries allready....
18/02/2021 16:09:21 1 0
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There already are jobs where a medical condition will exclude you. Would you be happy if your surgeon carries AIDS for example?
18/02/2021 16:17:37 2 0
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That WOULD be unlawful because of Equalities legislation; it would be disability discrimination. Reasonable adjustment must be made by Law for disabled employees. But I think these employers who are trying it on are talking about those who refuse without a medical reason.
18/02/2021 16:22:12 1 0
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As Pimlico Plumbers stated "unless medically unable"
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18/02/2021 14:49:40 16 23
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If we sleep walk into allowing this to happen we could be heading into a world controlled by Pharma, whose bottom line as companies is to make a profit. No jab, no job, no travel, no going out unless you have the COVID vaccine or whatever other vaccine or drugs come down the pipe. End of freedoms as we know and living under the tryanny of Pharma.
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18/02/2021 14:51:52 9 6
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Or you could kill somebody by perpetuating the virus
67
18/02/2021 14:55:01 4 0
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Except that the Astra Zeneca vaccine is being supplied on a not for profit basis, which rather pulls the rug from under your argument....
125
18/02/2021 15:00:09 2 0
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What a paranoid comment, rooted in conspiracy theory anti science hysteria. How about some gratitude for the scientists who worked incredibly hard to create the vaccines that will unlock the road back to normality.
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18/02/2021 15:00:41 1 0
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A sense of proportion is needed here. Testing in the courts is the likely path this will take. I don't call that 'sleepwalking' by any stretch of the imagination.
18/02/2021 15:59:04 1 0
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And ignore the benefits, like dying at 40 instead of 85. Give up modern healthcare or you are a total hypocrite.
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Hex
18/02/2021 14:49:42 423 152
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If you choose not to have the vaccine then that's up to you but you shouldn't expect to be able to carry on as normal.
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18/02/2021 14:50:57 123 206
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One size does not fit all Hex. Are you saying that someone who cannot have the vaccine due to underlying medical conditions should therefore no longer lead a normal life and lock themselves indoors at home?
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18/02/2021 15:23:05 5 24
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why not you will be protected as you have had the jab ...

Stop making a big thing out of an issue that has been with us for decades ... Covid is being used as cover ... we have loads of vaccines for loads of illnesses... and in all of them its none of anyones business who has had them.

All we can do is promote Safe and effective vaccines .
520
18/02/2021 15:27:43 10 36
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Having a jab in order to work to feed one's family is abnormal.
597
18/02/2021 15:24:53 6 12
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they don't have to have the flu vaccine by law..wonder why
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nic
18/02/2021 15:31:46 2 4
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It’s caked autonomy on health. Just because you have no critical thinking skills
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18/02/2021 15:37:22 6 22
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Why not? The vaccine apparently protects those that take it and minimises the spread, so why shouldn't an unvaccinated person not expect to carry on as normal? Whether they get sick or not should not affect those that have had the vaccine...
808
18/02/2021 15:40:35 5 14
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why don't you make the wear a symbol a yellow star springs to mind or why don't you insist they live in colonies and have a man walking in front of them ringing a bell and shouting unclean
910
18/02/2021 15:44:44 9 9
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Why?
The risk is their’s.
Just because they do not want a vaccine does not affect you.
Don’t argue that they could spread the disease, there is no evidence. In fact, those having had the vaccine may still be able to spread the disease.
These facts haven’t been proven one way or another.
Liberty and freedom of choice is at stake here.
I’ve had the vaccine, but I’m not knocking those who don’t.
18/02/2021 15:54:23 9 5
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There is no way any airline should allow unvaccinated passengers.
18/02/2021 15:52:34 1 8
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The uk has no plans for vaccine passports so everyone should just lie.
18/02/2021 16:34:12 3 4
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Your private medical decisions should not affect your job prospects. Plus it is medically unethical to coerce or compel someone into a medical treatment (which a vaccination is.) People like you are why these companies behave in such unethical ways, because you have no principles and cheer them on when it suits you current political preference.
18/02/2021 16:38:07 4 6
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If you've had Covid why on earth should you have to have a vaccination? The antibody protection is far stronger than that from any vaccine.
18/02/2021 16:46:17 1 3
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Idiocy
18/02/2021 16:59:41 1 2
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If you choose to have an unhealthy lifestyle then you shouldn't expect the state to save you with drugs, vaccinations and operations.
18/02/2021 17:22:15 1 1
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And the reason for that your comment is??? Do you realise that the vaccine does not stop the spread of covid, just stops you realising you have it, making it more likely the vaccinated will spread it than the unvaccinated who will likely be ill in bed
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18/02/2021 14:44:51 24 33
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Boycott Pimlico Plumbers.
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18/02/2021 14:49:49 11 8
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It's better and easier to boycott any anti vaxxer from any social, financial or employable activities.
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18/02/2021 14:56:13 2 3
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Not vacinnated does not mean they are "anti-vax". Captain Tom it turned out could not be vacinnated.

There could be reasosns, which may be highly personal and confidential, which mean that someone has not had their jab.

Are you planning to cut off finance to the 20s who are not in the priority jab groups?

Under 20? Not vacinnated? You're fired, and we've closed your bank account. 1984.
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18/02/2021 14:47:39 21 20
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Cue the anti vaxxer and conspiracy theories.

Lead your decision making from the science and data and not the noise made by the tin foil hat brigade.
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18/02/2021 14:49:56 8 11
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How about freedom of choice? Truly, free to decide for oneself and in turn let others decide for themselves
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18/02/2021 14:53:19 4 5
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Is it your freedom to allow a virus to spread and potentially kill a person?
76
18/02/2021 14:55:55 5 2
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You are free to choose. But you must know that that choice comes with consequences.
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18/02/2021 14:50:06 772 125
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I used to work as a surgeon (now retired) and the hospital policy was pretty straight forward no Hepatitis B jab or mask, no job. Can't see the problem really
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18/02/2021 14:52:09 532 86
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No, because you believe choices have consequences, and rightly so

Too bad many of the anti vax crowd think consequences and discrimination are the same thing
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18/02/2021 15:01:30 23 3
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Flu is way more deadly than Hep B and yet the NHS trusts rarely manage to give 70% of their staff jabs

Inconsistency in official circles is a symptom of laziness and cowardice - telling it like it is - not a behaviour that is encouraged

You'd hope C19 might create a change of mind
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18/02/2021 15:07:09 31 66
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While it may be appropriate for a health worker to be subject to that sort of policy can you say the same for an office worker who would only ever exchange an email or phone call with a customer?
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18/02/2021 14:55:44 16 120
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Well bully for you!
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18/02/2021 15:10:02 58 8
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Exactly my experience in a previous career as a scientist working in several NHS trusts. Never questioned by anyone I came across to have Hep B and regular monitoring of immune status. And given the risk to staff from Blood Borne Viruses it was considered by staff a benefit and a duty of the employer as well as a means of protecting patients and colleagues. I really can't see the difference.
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18/02/2021 15:12:34 35 78
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Vaccinated people still spread the virus, there is no vaccine that prevents retransmission.
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x75
18/02/2021 15:14:05 33 133
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Thats because you were working with SICK people and open wounds. Not quite the same as telling a plumber he must have a jab to keep his job. Surpised with all that education you can't see the difference.
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V4V
18/02/2021 15:07:27 19 58
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Completely different scenario, not comparable at all. Your hands are inside peoples bodies in a high risk scenario. Quite a bit different from someone stacking shelves at Tesco.
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18/02/2021 15:16:18 12 25
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what with a name like legs akimbo .... were you struck off ?
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18/02/2021 15:17:43 14 60
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For a surgeon you sound a bit dense.
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18/02/2021 15:19:42 9 87
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Until I see wealthy people being forced out of the excessive number of homes and given to the needy, What vaccine? what pandemic? Dont know what you're on about, sounds like a consipracy theory, or worse, man-made in a lab. Not interested. Other problems are more important in my view.

Do I care what you or the media mouthpiecse say?

NO
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18/02/2021 15:24:01 71 16
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If a job candidate cannot be bothered to get a simple jab to protect them, their colleagues and their customers, then that’s someone that I’m not bothering to interview. Plenty of normal candidates out there so why waste time with an anti-vaxer? No jab, no job.
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18/02/2021 15:23:44 7 2
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all staff don't have to have Flu vaccine which is strange
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18/02/2021 15:31:50 9 30
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That's an extremely niche specialisation though, one that involved you putting your hands inside people with clear risks. There is no need for such a clause if you're a working-from-home office clerk however. This is effectively compulsory vaccination-or-starve by way of coercion. I'm STRONGLY pro-vax, but i respect the rights of others to have sovereignty over their own bodies, too.
596
18/02/2021 15:24:47 7 46
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Acceptable for that specific job and similar ones in medicine etc

Not acceptable nor legal for 99.95% of jobs

The hepB jab is long proven to be safe and effective

CV19 jabs are like playing Russian roulette
"I used to work as a surgeon"

So you're a sociopath then, no surprises there, this country practically grows them in factories called schools
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18/02/2021 15:55:04 1 13
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And as a surgeon we should trust you, why?
18/02/2021 16:01:06 1 12
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I can see one big problem freedom of choice basic human right, another problem who holds responsibility should anyone have adverse effects that either kills or puts in hospital where is the duty of care, you maybe have a Surgeon but you have limited intelligent on a person basic rights and freedoms
18/02/2021 15:59:12 7 1
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Perhaps hospitals need to concentrate harder on cross infection given the alarming rates of covid spread within them. Hep B not the issue here at all.
18/02/2021 16:00:52 1 12
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let the white community have its flu vaccine
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18/02/2021 14:50:20 107 8
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Another lawyer says may not be legal.......

Everyone's guessing until it reaches court let's be honest
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18/02/2021 15:20:47 120 7
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As there is already precedent for this (healthcare workers needing a Hep jab) I suspect if will come down to whether it's a reasonable condition of the employment being applied for.
Any job that involves physical proximity to coworkers or the public, it is not unreasonable. There may be a few exceptions, but probably not many - how many jobs involve working in isolation all the time?
467
18/02/2021 15:24:24 4 3
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the lawyers back both sides .. that is their parasitic business model ...
555
18/02/2021 15:29:19 4 5
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No thats just the BBC being the BBC. Gotta be impartial. If a million people say one thing and one person says the opposite, the BBC will track that one person down and give their view just as much airtime as the million. Its infuriating
919
18/02/2021 15:45:34 4 5
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Let's be honest, an employer would ask the person if he/she has been vaccinated. The person would reply 'no, I won't have the vaccine.' That person would not be offered the job, but at no point would the employer give the real reason why. This is the way it's always been, and if it means saving lives, I can live with that.
18/02/2021 16:12:21 0 1
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Lawyer rubbing hands together and anticipating a big pay day!
18/02/2021 16:55:59 0 2
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Lawyers and Courts shouldn't come into it. It's your social responsibility to get vaccinated for the greater good! No it's no bugs!
18/02/2021 17:31:31 1 0
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Not really.

Statute & Case Law & is not difficult to understand if you cut through the 'ese & focus on the logic.

The courts will base thier decision on the balance of harm to the individual vs risk to those that are in contact with said individual.

Choosing not to have a vaccination, unless there is a sound medical reason simply isn't going to cut it in terms of HR legislation.
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W 6
18/02/2021 14:50:29 84 34
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I will be having the jab when offered and I'm as in favour of vaccination as anyone, but I'm not in favour of coercion. For what it's worth, I can't see this taking off because it'd be too much hassle for small businesses.
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18/02/2021 14:59:53 140 26
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But not too much hassle for airlines etc..

If people don't want the jab on principle fine but lets see if their principles are strong enough to put up with a bit of inconvenience like not haveing a foreign holiday.
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18/02/2021 15:08:43 4 1
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Who said anything about "taking off". There is no mention of small businesses having to do this.
The question was whether they could.
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18/02/2021 15:18:00 12 6
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No one is being coerced. People are free to make the choice: jab and job or no jab and no job. It's no different to having a hissy fit about being "coerced" into having to learn to drive because you need a car for a job. If you want a job that requires a jab, quit the whinging and get a jab.
624
18/02/2021 15:27:00 4 1
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make sure you have all vaccines available including flu vaccine
VoR
18/02/2021 15:49:28 9 6
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Frankly, if we made vaccination compulsory, 10 years down the line no one would bat an eyelid at it. It would be seen as normal and sensible.
18/02/2021 16:09:06 6 5
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Sometimes coercion is needed, especially in the current state of society.
18/02/2021 20:19:24 0 1
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Directors of small businesses should be very aware of Health and Safety legislation protecting their employees as well as good practice, I can see this falling into both categories.
19/02/2021 12:45:25 0 0
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I see, you dont like to be told what to do ............ do you pay tax? do you pay insurances? etc etc ....... oh, and if you had a medical condition would you take the tablets, even though you dont fully understand what they do or if they work?
Jab should and needs to be non negotiable as not everyone is as sensible as yourself.
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18/02/2021 14:50:38 13 15
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It would be unfair to the rest of us if vaccine refusers ( unless for medical reasons) keep hospitalization figures high meaning the restrictions last longer
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CJR
18/02/2021 15:15:08 1 1
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Unfortunately they don’t care about anyone else.it’s me, me all the time.
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18/02/2021 14:44:04 208 105
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What kind of world are we now living in?
Not mandatory they said, but try getting a job, beer, meal or a holiday if you don't.
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18/02/2021 14:50:40 25 30
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Sorry you think you get to choose the ant vax path and not face consequences for it.

Boo hoo hoo, so sad for you
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18/02/2021 15:03:31 11 8
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Not antivax, I'm talking about the government straight up lying, I'll have it when it's my turn.
That's very childish language you use there btw, I do hope you're not over 13 years of age and talking like that?
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18/02/2021 14:50:42 10 15
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It MUST also be the case for existing staff. Anyone unvaccinated is a serious risk to others, and should not be allowed in a workplace or public area.
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18/02/2021 14:59:16 1 1
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Depends on the job. Certainly healthcare. Front line police too? I say yes.
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18/02/2021 14:44:51 24 33
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Boycott Pimlico Plumbers.
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18/02/2021 14:50:45 2 4
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No
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18/02/2021 14:46:19 488 172
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Good. This anti-vax nonsense has to stop. Maybe this will encourage anti-vax idiots to rethink their position.
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18/02/2021 14:50:50 32 89
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Nope, I’m not anti vax just pro choice...are you really as simple as you sound?
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18/02/2021 15:07:50 44 10
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I want the choice for my place of work to segregate or prohibit people who refuse vaccination.
356
18/02/2021 15:11:17 4 2
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You will have a choice though, have the jab or don't have a new job. It is really quite simple.
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18/02/2021 15:20:13 8 5
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Ok mr/s pro choice. Don't wear a seatbelt, your choice. Don't make you child wear a seatbelt. Its their choice too. If you smoke, who's gonna stop you going into a hospital and lighting up. After all its your choice. Or maybe carrying a gun and firing it off in the park. Yeah it might kill a few people but its your choice. Or drive at 80 in a 30 zone. Ever heard of consequences? Rules save lives!!
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Hex
18/02/2021 14:49:42 423 152
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If you choose not to have the vaccine then that's up to you but you shouldn't expect to be able to carry on as normal.
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18/02/2021 14:50:57 123 206
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One size does not fit all Hex. Are you saying that someone who cannot have the vaccine due to underlying medical conditions should therefore no longer lead a normal life and lock themselves indoors at home?
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Hex
18/02/2021 14:55:40 74 7
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That's not choosing not have it that's being medically exempt.
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18/02/2021 14:57:17 42 8
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Can't beat a bit of whataboutery.
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18/02/2021 15:01:26 24 0
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Of course not tony...but what about the others?
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18/02/2021 15:11:25 52 0
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I think you'll find the article specifically mentions exempting those who cannot have it for medical reasons.
774
18/02/2021 15:39:31 2 5
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If they have underlying medical conditions, unlikely they would be working anyway?
831
18/02/2021 15:41:32 12 6
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Nope. Just people who choose not to have the vaccine as the result of being brainwashed by anti-vaxxers online/thinking they know better/needing to feel special (and thereby willingly jeopardising others in the process.)

Easy to discern between the two with medical exemptions certificates.

Also anyone promoting anti-vax messages without proven data should face a mandatory prison sentence.
853
18/02/2021 15:42:28 3 1
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Possibly yes, until an alternative arrangement can be found.
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VoR
18/02/2021 15:47:09 2 1
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No. But he can't fit an exhaustive list of exceptions into 400 characters on this forum.
966
18/02/2021 15:44:43 10 0
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I dont think he said that. he said if you choose not to. Cannot have and choose not to are two opposite ends of the scale.
18/02/2021 15:56:54 4 1
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If they are putting others at risk then yes. Human rights go with human responsibilities despite what the 'human rights lawyers' think.
18/02/2021 16:06:45 5 0
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There are only a very tiny number of people who cannot have the jab for medical reasons - probably about the same number who can't wear masks, as opposed to those that pretend they can't.
18/02/2021 16:09:54 0 0
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Not quite - but there will have to be some limitations.
18/02/2021 16:12:15 4 0
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They said 'choose' read a comment before replying
18/02/2021 16:17:25 2 1
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Medical exemptions are covered in the article. All the more reason for those who can be jabbed to accept it .. to protect those who for whatever reason would be in more danger taking the vaccine than not.
BD
18/02/2021 16:29:35 3 0
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I don't think that is what Hex was saying at all.
18/02/2021 16:31:24 4 0
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If you read what Hex said you'll notice "choose not to". I think this is clear enough to assume that Hex does not mean those who "can't"
18/02/2021 16:38:17 2 0
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Tony read what Hex said ( if you choose not to have the jab) he doesn’t say if you can’t have it that is a different situation and would be excepted
18/02/2021 16:39:54 4 0
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If you work in a care home and likely to pass on the virus (and kill people) I think most people would say that's sensible. Tradesmen visit elderly people everyday, so the same is true. So if your job is likely to put you in a high risk environment where you meet people, then yes it should be a requirement.

Its no different to having certain minimum qualification standards. No issue here.
18/02/2021 16:40:16 3 1
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Well they could go out , catch it, and die. That's their choice. Should they be allowed to go out, catch it and then infect others? I seem to remember if you have HIV and have unprotected sex with someone who then catches HIV you can be sent to prison for quite some time. Should we have that for COVID19?
18/02/2021 16:49:23 5 1
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Oh look hyperbole plus straw man argument all in one.

They're saying no such thing.
There are multiple employment opportunities which do not require close contact with others for which such people will be well suited.

It's like someone with a peanut allergy complaining they've been refused employment by KP...
18/02/2021 17:04:48 0 0
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Not at all, and in most cases, there would be 'medical exemption' certs.I really feel for anyone who genuinely can't have vaccines because it's going to be pretty iffy for them for some time to come.
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18/02/2021 14:44:46 10 17
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Why does this sound oddly familiar?

Oh yeah, Revelation 13:15–18...
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18/02/2021 14:51:02 11 9
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Books allegedly written by men wondering around in a desert 2000 years ago.

Shouldn’t you be bothering women outside an abortion centre?
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18/02/2021 14:56:13 4 2
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I'm not even religious, but even I can see taking notes from an influential book written about an evil character is not exactly a good look...

You may now go back to reading Harry Potter and fuming about JK Rowling saying naughty things on Twitter
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18/02/2021 14:51:09 14 16
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This idea is disgraceful and it frightens me that anyone could think otherwise. If you know the slightest about history you know that loss of self-autonomy is hardly ever positive.
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18/02/2021 15:04:51 3 1
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So you'd advocate doing away with, for example, DBS checks on the staff at your children's nursery, as it impinges on their freedom??
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18/02/2021 14:44:51 24 33
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Boycott Pimlico Plumbers.
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18/02/2021 14:51:15 5 0
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Plumbers, by the nature of their job, need to come into your home. I'm betting a lot of vulnerable people will see it as a big plus and be sure to call Pimlico Plumbers first!
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18/02/2021 14:51:29 130 48
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Good. One person's ignorance shouldn't mean they get to spread the virus around their workplace. Your odds of choking to death on food are 33x greater than an adverse reaction to the Covid jab (source: CDC). Stop being so selfish.
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18/02/2021 14:55:50 66 127
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You think it stops at one jab? This lunacy will go on and on and on... let people choose. It’s their risk, you no doubt will be ‘safe’...
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V4V
18/02/2021 15:04:07 12 11
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People like you are dangerous, you think this is a cure? You do realise you've every chance of contracting the virus as much as anyone else, even if you've had the vaccine, and you can spread it to others just the same. Someone not having it is no more of a risk to others than you are. Only difference is if/when you get covid your symptoms won't be as bad.
689
18/02/2021 15:30:45 1 3
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yeah by law you should have flu vaccine each year
VoR
18/02/2021 15:54:54 0 2
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And with this post, you've just turned the Brexit crowd to relying on soup for sustenance.
18/02/2021 17:22:54 2 1
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why? having the vaccine doesn't stop you catching or spreading it.
19/02/2021 08:10:58 0 0
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Everyone should also be forced to have a flu jab as well
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NM
18/02/2021 14:51:46 12 6
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I think that having a vax available is fantastic, and in no way do I think that there is any big conspracy.

I'm more than happy to be vaxxed, and think that everyone should, but that is very different from thinking that they must.

This is not a good line to go down as, if this becomes mandatory by default, then others could follow.
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18/02/2021 14:51:49 7 8
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It's like they don't want me to work. Oh well.
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18/02/2021 14:54:13 7 2
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Any excuse, eh?
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18/02/2021 14:49:40 16 23
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If we sleep walk into allowing this to happen we could be heading into a world controlled by Pharma, whose bottom line as companies is to make a profit. No jab, no job, no travel, no going out unless you have the COVID vaccine or whatever other vaccine or drugs come down the pipe. End of freedoms as we know and living under the tryanny of Pharma.
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18/02/2021 14:51:52 9 6
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Or you could kill somebody by perpetuating the virus
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V4V
18/02/2021 15:11:16 1 1
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Oh dear, you do realise even if you have the vaccine you can still get and spread the virus, right?
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18/02/2021 14:51:56 101 19
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I hope that this encourages carers to get the vaccine. It may be that younger people are not scared of Covid but remember that other people are vulnerable.
sue
18/02/2021 17:38:35 16 5
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i agree and it could be a member of your family who is vunerable
19/02/2021 06:52:44 1 2
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My dad who is 73 and asthmatic had Covid no problem also there have been multiple stories about those over 100 surviving. Try looking into the actual health of those dying and you might be surprised
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18/02/2021 14:46:52 207 58
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Companies, restaurants etc. taking control and protecting themselves against litigation if someone catches the virus on their premises.
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18/02/2021 14:51:58 25 9
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But you can catch and spread it after being vaccinated, so how will they stop someone getting it on their property?
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18/02/2021 14:47:08 236 39
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It is only right and fair that all people take responsibility for protecting themselves and all around them.
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18/02/2021 15:10:08 30 79
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But your protected ?
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D
18/02/2021 15:19:53 11 10
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What if I choose to protect myself and not those around me? What if I assume they will protect themselves? Why am I responsible for anybody else?
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18/02/2021 15:27:48 1 1
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yeah have your flu vaccine
18/02/2021 16:03:50 5 1
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Responsibility... that a joke. All a lot think about is I’m entitled therefore.....
18/02/2021 16:06:30 6 2
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So why is the MMR jab not a legal requirement for school children.
18/02/2021 16:36:27 1 1
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ballix
18/02/2021 16:41:30 7 4
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Do you have the flu jab then? Funny no one gave a sh*t about people catching that.
18/02/2021 16:54:20 3 1
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Yes. Don't smoke, eat well, stay slim and take plenty of exercise. These days too many people live unhealthy lifestyles and then expect the state to save them with drugs, vaccinations and operations.
18/02/2021 18:07:16 0 0
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So true, hands face space, proven to work. Gene therapy not proven to work.
18/02/2021 18:58:26 1 3
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For a virus so dangerous you have to take a test to know if you have it and a vaccine so safe you need to be threatened with losing your job to take it
19/02/2021 10:43:51 0 1
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people should not be responsible for other peoples health. Worry about yourself. Lock yourself at home if you are that scared.
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18/02/2021 14:50:06 772 125
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I used to work as a surgeon (now retired) and the hospital policy was pretty straight forward no Hepatitis B jab or mask, no job. Can't see the problem really
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18/02/2021 14:52:09 532 86
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No, because you believe choices have consequences, and rightly so

Too bad many of the anti vax crowd think consequences and discrimination are the same thing
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18/02/2021 15:00:32 16 165
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Well when discriminatory employers use 'no jab no job' to disproportionately target BAME applicants then yeah, you'll be seeing the link
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18/02/2021 15:19:53 17 56
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I am not anti Vax.. Im pro vax but before that im pro privacy and people like you should learn to mind their own business ...

You are dangerous and will let in the right wing dictators after 110 years of our forefathers fighting them ...

Some things are private and personal and the law should and i believe will protect that ..

Covid has sent some people really weired ..
It is discrimination mo Ron Removed
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18/02/2021 15:41:01 2 8
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Consequences, now that is an interesting word, does it only apply to pandemics? or can it be used elsewhere? like ill-thought out wars, or false flag attacks, maybe even industrialisation or unfetted capitalism?
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18/02/2021 14:46:02 15 19
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It's about time the pendulum swung in favour of the business owners - for too long you've been in the wrong for hiring someone simply because "they wouldn't fit in". The threat of tribunals and so on scare companies into hiring (or not firing) people they don't want, and while that may be good for the unemployment figures isn't good for the companies or for society on the whole.
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18/02/2021 14:52:13 6 4
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No Vaccination ~ SERIOUS HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE ~ No Job. Simples.
18/02/2021 17:02:51 0 0
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Your Control, C & V buttons have taken a hiding today.
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18/02/2021 14:48:47 96 61
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Private medical history should be just that. Private.
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18/02/2021 14:52:26 92 10
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Does that include holiday vaccines?
Pip
18/02/2021 16:03:40 12 1
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Holiday Insurance springs to mind, no jab, no insurance, will we all be bleating when that happens..........?
18/02/2021 17:06:14 4 2
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Not the same. I went to Mexico and although jabs were recommended (which I had), at no point were they they condition of my me entering the country.
19/02/2021 02:11:52 0 0
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It does.
Or we risk being asked (Australians do though, on homecoming flights) if we had sex with people from risk group (whatever that is) or if we had been bitten by a moskito. Once door is ajar, there is nothing to stop a drought of new legislations.
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18/02/2021 14:44:51 24 33
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Boycott Pimlico Plumbers.
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18/02/2021 14:52:27 1 0
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Boycott his plastic surgeon if Mullin's appearance yesterday on C4 news is anything to go by
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18/02/2021 14:52:30 5 9
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Tosh
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18/02/2021 14:55:01 1 0
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Pish
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18/02/2021 14:52:30 335 97
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Anonymous Internet people peddling anti vaccination misinformation need to be tracked and held to account if they cause unessessary deaths.
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18/02/2021 14:58:01 152 317
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Misinformation? Start with Boris and his clique, plenty of unnecessary deaths at their door.
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18/02/2021 15:00:49 7 7
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'if'

I'm sure we'd no longer be in a pandemic if everyone followed the rules exactly. I have no idea how so much transmission can happen
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18/02/2021 15:03:21 12 21
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'Academics' and journalists who have peddled lies about how healthcare is 'systemically racist' should be held to account for the deaths that result from low vaccines in BAME groups.

Their lies cost black lives.
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18/02/2021 15:06:58 10 33
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And that unspeakable person in number 10 needs to be held to account for 120,000 deaths, too.
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18/02/2021 14:58:04 6 12
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This is by far the most foolish comment I have read this year!
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D
18/02/2021 15:18:04 7 4
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You will have to start by defining 'misinformation'. Is that just 'things you disagree with'? Or is it 'things that most people disagree with'? And how will you prove a link between what they say and believe and causing a death?
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18/02/2021 15:18:20 4 4
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So censorship because you don't trust people to review the same information and draw the same conclusions as you? Perhaps better support for people to critically analyse the information presented to them would be better... (I am pro-vaccine btw!)
453
18/02/2021 15:23:37 0 2
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unnecessary
564
18/02/2021 15:29:48 2 3
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How do you know it is misinformation though? The new vaccine is gene therapy, not your traditional vaccine and that is why people are apprehensive.
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18/02/2021 15:25:13 0 2
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go have the flu vaccine
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nic
18/02/2021 15:31:58 0 1
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Baaaa
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18/02/2021 15:39:18 3 5
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And so should pro-vaccination gullible idiots who want everyone jabbed before any field trials have been done and analysed to establish beyond doubt if these vaccines are safe or not for use on humans
18/02/2021 15:54:37 3 2
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I'm not anti vax in the slightest, but the facts are clear. So far, there is no data that suggest any of the current vaccines prevent transition or infection. There is some positive preliminary data from Pfizer and that's it. The vaccine (for want of a better word) purpose at the moment to greatly reduce the number of people hospitalised from this virus. That is all. Stick with facts please.
18/02/2021 16:00:58 0 1
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What about those who have been vaccinated and are still spreading C19? That is what is happening in the real world, when they go to care homes they will kill thousands. Should they also be charged like you say?
18/02/2021 16:10:18 0 0
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"If"? They are and they should be.
18/02/2021 16:35:18 1 1
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When the Tories pushed misinformation about the labour party before the last election. Do they need to be tracked and punished for all the excess deaths weve had?
18/02/2021 16:36:49 2 1
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You gonna lock up SAGE then? Or perhaps Professor Gupta? Professor Cahill? There are disagreements on the science and people like you aren't helping by pretending one side is entirely right on complex and nuanced matters. People who get it wrong need to be able to speak as part of the debate otherwise there is no debate. Science moves forward when things are disproven by the dissenters.
18/02/2021 16:47:15 1 1
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You should go east and join the Chinese Communist Party
18/02/2021 16:51:11 0 1
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Quislings always follow dikraytorrrs to The Hague as proven thru history
18/02/2021 17:09:12 0 1
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As do the politicians whose decisions on Covid and the support/paying for it will cost far more.
18/02/2021 18:06:33 0 0
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I would rather you start with Eugenicist mad scientists my dear
18/02/2021 21:33:46 0 0
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Seriously...don't be ridiculous! There is far too much "tracking" of individuals, loss of freedom of speech, at this point in time...You may want to look into how many deaths are caused from Big Pharma.. per annum....physician mistakes....the list goes on....everyone should be able to see at this point....there is much more to this COVID-19 story!
19/02/2021 10:33:34 0 0
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Any one who claims these vaccines are 100% safe is peddling misinformation. Many deaths within 28 days of taking it. Few have had autopsies given the difficulty of getting one with the change in the law. Plus thousands of adverse reactions, and NO long term safety data.
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18/02/2021 14:52:30 14 5
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On the hand I see the logic behind it however if this rule is meant to protect workers then it should apply to all, old or new. I work in healthcare & I understand how important the vaccine is but forcing people to get vaccinated will only increase the scepticism and push back from those who see hidden agendas behind this.
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18/02/2021 14:46:02 15 19
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It's about time the pendulum swung in favour of the business owners - for too long you've been in the wrong for hiring someone simply because "they wouldn't fit in". The threat of tribunals and so on scare companies into hiring (or not firing) people they don't want, and while that may be good for the unemployment figures isn't good for the companies or for society on the whole.
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18/02/2021 14:52:31 0 2
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No Vaccination = SERIOUS HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE ~ No Job. Simples.
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18/02/2021 14:52:36 541 62
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As a surgeon I have to have a Hepatitis B vaccine proof before I am allowed to operate on any patient. Same goes to all those who work in medical care.

Why is this any different when at the end of the day it protects them and people they are likely to come in contact with?
Because not everyone has a profession of digging directly into people's bodies and hepatitis B is permanent whereas covid is effectively a glorified flu strain.... Removed
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18/02/2021 14:56:35 20 72
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Does it. This is totally different they tell us there is no risk in schools. thousands are working every day meeting people. Just because the pimlico plumber can bully this fake self employed people into having a vaccs shouldn't mean the rest of us need to have it.
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18/02/2021 15:01:53 6 48
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How's the private work going?
Read article from cardiologist from Exeter about the corrosive nature of consultants working privately and NHS
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18/02/2021 15:08:02 12 60
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Because covid is not Hep B... or Ebola and is of little or no threat to anyone under 40 and low threat to anyone healthy under 60. As said by PLENTY of your own profession, unless of course you believe they are right wing racists, fascists, climate change deniers, etc etc
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18/02/2021 15:09:07 15 10
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Maybe because Hep B vaccines prevent infection and thus cross-infection whereas Covid-19 vaccines have not been proven to afford that same protection.

Not an anti-vax btw and my wife is having her vaccine jab this afternoon. Just saying should such contracts of employment be allowed?
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18/02/2021 15:18:53 4 6
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The hepatitis b vaccine stops you from carrying and passing on the virus, where as the COVID vaccines currently only prevents you from getting seriously ill, you can still carry and pass on COVID, probably without even knowing due to the lack of symptoms, thanks to the vaccine. People should be able to make there own decisions especially due to the lack of info on long term effects atm.
551
18/02/2021 15:24:20 3 7
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But strangely you don't have to have the Flu vaccine by law?
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18/02/2021 15:41:29 6 1
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Spot on, and if I want a plumber to come to my house, I want to be able to know if they will spread Covid and kill my vulnerable parents, I want the choice of who I invite in. It is MY property
18/02/2021 16:02:28 2 4
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So seeing as nothing else exists apart from covid, I take it you've sat on your ar*e for the last 12 months then.
18/02/2021 16:02:26 0 0
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whats funny is viewing the mass vaccination non of the NHS medical staff are wearing gloves or washing hands between each potentially covid carrying person
18/02/2021 16:04:43 0 0
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flu far more deadlier no requirement to have flu vaccine ...odd
18/02/2021 16:34:57 0 0
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The vaccinations that health staff are currently required to have are proper vaccines, in that they provide immunity. The Covid vaccines do not provide immunity but simply an amelioration of symptoms which, as a result may help to reduce spread . They do not eliminate it. You can still catch and spread the virus in spite of vaccination. Surely as a surgeon, you would know the difference.
18/02/2021 16:45:27 1 1
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are you required to have the flu vax?.....kind of negates your last remark..
Im not an anti vaxer , however my choice is to wait until there is proper robust data on both the efficacy and safety of the vaccine, to keep on using "may be" and "might be" isnt scientific enough for me.
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18/02/2021 14:44:04 208 105
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What kind of world are we now living in?
Not mandatory they said, but try getting a job, beer, meal or a holiday if you don't.
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18/02/2021 14:52:36 11 15
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Your choice. If you don't want to do any of those things, don't have it....
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18/02/2021 14:45:06 108 63
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I'm pretty sure that it is illegal for an employer to demand to see an employee's medical records under medical confidentiality and Caldicott principles.
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18/02/2021 14:52:57 180 77
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No proof of Vaccination ~ SERIOUS HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE ~ No Job. Simples.
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D
18/02/2021 15:21:20 9 7
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What serious health and safety issue? How about I have proof of Covid vaccination, but go to work with measles - is that OK, or are we only concerned about 1 possible illness?
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18/02/2021 15:22:43 4 10
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Until I see wealthy people being forced out of the excessive number of homes and given to the needy, What vaccine? what pandemic? Dont know what you're on about, sounds like a consipracy theory, or worse, man-made in a lab. Not interested. Other problems are more important in my view.

Do I care what you or the media mouthpiecse say?

NO
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18/02/2021 15:25:18 3 2
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Garbage
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18/02/2021 15:23:25 2 2
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Utter nonsense from a ehs professional with 2 degees in the subject and 14 years experience
18/02/2021 16:34:18 0 3
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It's nor really serious though is it Clive, it's a glorified flu. Most of the time you don't even know you've got it unless a dodgy 'test' tells you you have.
18/02/2021 16:45:00 0 2
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You've been following the government and media propaganda for too closely. I think you need to take a break
18/02/2021 16:45:29 0 2
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how are you going to prove it if gov arent issuing proof certs jeewizz some bloody muppets about, flu jabs? thousands dead and millions infected every year with a supposed proven vaccine
18/02/2021 16:58:20 0 1
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When you quote a fictional meerkat you lose your credibility
19/02/2021 09:35:45 0 0
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How is it a health and safety issue? IF people are vaccinated they are apparently protected. IF they are not that is the risk they take. Nothing wrong with that.
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18/02/2021 14:52:59 19 6
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Happy to be self employed
90
18/02/2021 14:57:09 11 2
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Me too.
456
18/02/2021 15:23:45 0 3
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Until I see wealthy people being forced out of the excessive number of homes and given to the needy, What vaccine? what pandemic? Dont know what you're on about, sounds like a consipracy theory, or worse, man-made in a lab. Not interested. Other problems are more important in my view.

Do I care what you or the media mouthpiecse say?

NO
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18/02/2021 15:29:49 0 1
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better than working as a slave on PAYE
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18/02/2021 14:53:01 10 22
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We’ve seen restrictions on freedom of speech getting worse under the tories. There was a poll the other day saying 20% of people thought it was getting worse.

Now the Troy’s want to stop companies from employing who then want.

The overreach of this party into everyday life is absurd.

They can’t even protect our border!
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18/02/2021 14:55:49 5 1
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I'm not a Tory supporter - but you can't blame them for this. Read the report again - it's about private employers making their own policy decisions.
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18/02/2021 14:56:21 2 1
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why? it's discrimination. Slippery slope into saying it's legal to refuse to hire someone with a disability
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18/02/2021 15:02:29 1 0
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"Now the Troy’s want to stop companies from employing who then want."

On the contrary. This is about businesses having the power to choose who to employ. In no way is it suggested that this would be a government initiative.
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18/02/2021 14:57:44 2 0
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"Now the Troy’s want to stop companies from employing who then want."
Read the bloody article before commenting. It doesn't say anything of the sort.
We can only hope this happens. It's consistent with health and safety legislation.
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18/02/2021 14:53:14 17 24
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NO its not. Its end of personal freedoms.
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18/02/2021 15:10:38 3 1
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Nope, personal freedom of the 'anti vax' brigade are being ensured by the uptake of the vaccine by everyone else.

With the exception of those who cant take it for medical reasons, why shouldn't those acting against the interest of the wider country come accross a few issues.
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18/02/2021 15:12:52 2 1
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Nonsense. You are free to decide not to be vaccinated, but if so you need to accept the consequences. You are free to get obese and smoke, but in each case you will find the NHS will refuse you certain treatments if you do.

This is no different.
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18/02/2021 15:43:55 1 0
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Freedom to and freedom from - I want the freedom of knowing the person who is treating me or working closely with me has taken all possible precautions not to infect me by having vaccinated themselves - freedom from!
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18/02/2021 14:49:56 8 11
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How about freedom of choice? Truly, free to decide for oneself and in turn let others decide for themselves
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18/02/2021 14:53:19 4 5
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Is it your freedom to allow a virus to spread and potentially kill a person?
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18/02/2021 14:58:36 1 2
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you choose to drive ?
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CJR
18/02/2021 15:20:42 1 1
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Should put them on a man slaughter charge
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18/02/2021 14:44:10 29 25
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Will staff have the right to know if they're being expected or forced to work with anti-vaxers?
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18/02/2021 14:53:31 2 4
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No Vaccination is a SERIOUS HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE ~ No Job. Simples.
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18/02/2021 14:45:06 108 63
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I'm pretty sure that it is illegal for an employer to demand to see an employee's medical records under medical confidentiality and Caldicott principles.
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18/02/2021 14:53:46 22 4
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Where does the report mention asking to see medical records? The principle could be as simple as asking candidates to confirm if they've had a vaccine or not. If they later prove to have lied, tested under whatever means, then they face dismissal under breach of contract.
18/02/2021 16:47:37 0 1
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vaccine doesn't guarantee you wont get infected can't guarantee you wont die or be seriously ill, at best it says may not get so sick as need hospitalisation, there is no test to prove youve been vaccinated jeez some ppl have lost the run of themselves need to get out a bit more
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18/02/2021 14:44:10 29 25
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Will staff have the right to know if they're being expected or forced to work with anti-vaxers?
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18/02/2021 14:53:49 2 2
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If you have been vaccinated, what difference does it make?
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18/02/2021 14:45:52 37 27
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What a monumental change for employment law. I don't think there are any examples of an employee being forced to take a medication as a condition of the role and we all know business are going to be jumping on anything to attract business back; even if it involves medicating their employees against their wishes. Could the employee sue the business if the medication were to cause harm?
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18/02/2021 14:53:50 13 7
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"Could the employee sue the business if the medication were to cause harm?"
Interesting question, to which I doubt there is a logical answer, but in this case it is not a "medication", it's a vaccine ...
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18/02/2021 14:57:32 1 0
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Deary deary me!
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RM
18/02/2021 14:45:40 77 60
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"Taking a vaccine is not mandatory and it would be discriminatory to force somebody to take one."
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18/02/2021 14:54:07 97 18
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So if someone refuses to take a vaccine (without valid medical reasons), they then become infected and infect someone who cannot take a vaccine (for valid medical reasons), which person in this scenario is being discriminated against?
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18/02/2021 15:11:55 4 4
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Neither. The refuser has not been discriminated against as it would be personal choice on something not mandatory. If he or she were excluded from a job there is a case to explore but your question was not clear on that point. The person infected hasn't been discriminated as the refuser has infected them unknowingly. If the act was deliberate it could be discrimination but it depend on context.
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18/02/2021 15:12:40 6 3
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If that scenario becomes a reality and the person who could not have the jab for medical reasons happens to die, then said anti vax should face a man slaughter charge, people have to live up to there responsibility’s.
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18/02/2021 15:22:35 6 1
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In this scenario - nobody is being discriminated against.
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18/02/2021 15:23:08 3 11
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Until I see wealthy people being forced out of the excessive number of homes and given to the needy, What vaccine? what pandemic? Dont know what you're on about, sounds like a consipracy theory, or worse, man-made in a lab. Not interested. Other problems are more important in my view.

Do I care what you or the media mouthpiecse say?

NO
18/02/2021 16:48:20 0 0
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question: would they them be guilty of aggravated assault in a similar way to those who 'knowingly' infect others with terrible infections like AIDS interesting isn't it
18/02/2021 17:00:00 0 0
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Even if you are vaccinated you could still pass on the virus by not continuing to wash hands, social distancing,etc. We do not want to be in a position of thinking, "Good I'm vaccinated now I can get back to normal"
39
18/02/2021 14:51:49 7 8
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It's like they don't want me to work. Oh well.
64
18/02/2021 14:54:13 7 2
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Any excuse, eh?
65
18/02/2021 14:54:13 7 13
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So you're not allowed to make a living if you're not vaccinated for a thing that mutates like heck and diminishes the efficacy of your vaccination anyway?

I think this is as ethically wrong as not getting it to begin with.
86
18/02/2021 14:56:41 5 0
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Of course you're allowed to make a living, just not at a company that makes having a vaccine mandatory. About the mutating virus - any variant of a vaccine is better than no vaccine at all.
4
18/02/2021 14:44:51 24 33
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Boycott Pimlico Plumbers.
66
18/02/2021 14:54:44 2 0
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A would rather have a vaccinated plumber.
21
18/02/2021 14:49:40 16 23
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If we sleep walk into allowing this to happen we could be heading into a world controlled by Pharma, whose bottom line as companies is to make a profit. No jab, no job, no travel, no going out unless you have the COVID vaccine or whatever other vaccine or drugs come down the pipe. End of freedoms as we know and living under the tryanny of Pharma.
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18/02/2021 14:55:01 4 0
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Except that the Astra Zeneca vaccine is being supplied on a not for profit basis, which rather pulls the rug from under your argument....
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18/02/2021 14:52:30 5 9
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Tosh
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18/02/2021 14:55:01 1 0
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Pish
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18/02/2021 14:58:59 0 0
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Fish
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18/02/2021 14:55:04 16 15
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This is just the thin end of the wedge. It’s got nothing to do with whether you are pro-vaccine or anti-vaccine, it’s about people having the right to choose what’s right for them as individuals. Taking that right away is going a step too far.
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18/02/2021 14:59:44 3 2
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Quite right, same with the right to drive after a bottle of Vodka, health and safety gone mad.
18/02/2021 15:54:48 0 0
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yeah don't have to flu vaccine
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mc
18/02/2021 14:50:20 7 13
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big brother is here the decline of society
97
18/02/2021 14:57:56 4 2
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A global viral pandemic is preferable?
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SAM
18/02/2021 14:59:42 2 1
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If being made to have the jab is your only problem, I wonder what planet you are living on because from what I read in the news and hear about on line, on this planet you are now no longer allowed to think or speak anything that is slightly upsetting to anyone for fear of the woke police!
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18/02/2021 14:50:53 447 43
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I already have to provide proof of several vaccinations to work as a Nurse. This is not something new
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D
18/02/2021 15:16:25 217 74
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So the (sensible) rules for nurses should also apply to plumbers? Gardeners? Secretaries?
567
18/02/2021 15:30:01 43 1
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It's no just the medical professionals either. I have spent over forty years in the marine industry and it is a requirement to have all the normal vaccines required by port state authorities up to date or you don't sail/have a job.
876
18/02/2021 15:43:24 7 8
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Right - before even insisting that people have the vaccine to work/travel/live etc... is there now strong, peer reviewed evidence that the vaccine prevents transmission at all? Last time I checked it wasn't clear, and the only person the vaccine protects is the person that has had the vaccine.
892
18/02/2021 15:44:05 2 1
bbc
What about employers having to be vaccinated in order to employ staff? Why should it all be one way?
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xlr
18/02/2021 15:44:31 18 0
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I've also had to have regular drugs tests to work in a lab on a refinery grounds, and had HepB jags to work with human blood.

Definitely not illegal. If people don't like it, they should try another job.
18/02/2021 16:08:33 0 0
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have you had the flu vaccine?
18/02/2021 16:34:22 0 2
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a nurse works around sick people. A plumber works with pipes. its completely different.
18/02/2021 16:39:29 0 1
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You are a nurse! Not sure the same applies for anyone else.
18/02/2021 16:39:49 0 0
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do you have to have the flu vax?
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18/02/2021 14:50:57 123 206
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One size does not fit all Hex. Are you saying that someone who cannot have the vaccine due to underlying medical conditions should therefore no longer lead a normal life and lock themselves indoors at home?
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Hex
18/02/2021 14:55:40 74 7
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That's not choosing not have it that's being medically exempt.
73
18/02/2021 14:55:42 8 6
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I have a thought that perhaps the culture maintained by the businesses are wrong in that people feel obligated to turn up to work ill. Blame the businesses, not the few who will be caught up in the herd immunity effect when 80%+ are vaccinated. Bring in full sick pay for the duration of all illnesses by law.
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18/02/2021 14:53:01 10 22
bbc
We’ve seen restrictions on freedom of speech getting worse under the tories. There was a poll the other day saying 20% of people thought it was getting worse.

Now the Troy’s want to stop companies from employing who then want.

The overreach of this party into everyday life is absurd.

They can’t even protect our border!
74
18/02/2021 14:55:49 5 1
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I'm not a Tory supporter - but you can't blame them for this. Read the report again - it's about private employers making their own policy decisions.
101
18/02/2021 14:58:13 2 0
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Agree 100% with you - theprowerwins is looking for an anti-Tory headline where there isn't one.
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18/02/2021 14:51:29 130 48
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Good. One person's ignorance shouldn't mean they get to spread the virus around their workplace. Your odds of choking to death on food are 33x greater than an adverse reaction to the Covid jab (source: CDC). Stop being so selfish.
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18/02/2021 14:55:50 66 127
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You think it stops at one jab? This lunacy will go on and on and on... let people choose. It’s their risk, you no doubt will be ‘safe’...
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CJR
18/02/2021 15:10:21 11 8
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If you choose not to have the jab, don’t start crying when you are not allowed to travel, get that dream job, the list will go on.
640
18/02/2021 15:34:28 1 1
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Last week they were already talking about a third jab, a booster jab.
915
18/02/2021 15:45:09 5 7
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I am happy for anyone not to have the vaccine, however stupid that might be.

However, this is not a decision without consequences for that individual.. no airplanes, perhaps excluded from certain jobs.
sue
18/02/2021 17:36:51 0 0
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in my opinion its not only their risk its putting others at risk we need to protect each other
18/02/2021 17:49:37 1 2
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It's my choice not to employ anyone who hasn't been vaccinated - for my own safety & the safety of other employees.

No jab
No job
No joke
18/02/2021 18:20:36 0 1
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People choose to live in societies for the mutual benefits they provide. People like you are anti-social because you pick and choose what suits your selfish wants. If you had the courage of your convictions you would take yourself off somewhere where there are no people or animals who will suffer as a consequence of your irresponsible behaviour. You are the problem!
18/02/2021 18:31:27 0 0
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Oh dear - and I thought The Orange Shitgibbon was the "denier in chief"!
19/02/2021 09:32:20 0 0
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Exactly.
19/02/2021 12:42:18 0 0
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you fool ! "its their risk" could affect MY life........... try thinking of the greater good
19/02/2021 15:24:44 0 0
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But it isn't just their risk. You are also more likely to pass the virus on if you don't get vaccinated, i.e. putting other people at increased. Having the jab really ought to be viewed as a civic responsibility by everyone at this point.
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18/02/2021 14:49:56 8 11
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How about freedom of choice? Truly, free to decide for oneself and in turn let others decide for themselves
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18/02/2021 14:55:55 5 2
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You are free to choose. But you must know that that choice comes with consequences.
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18/02/2021 14:52:36 541 62
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As a surgeon I have to have a Hepatitis B vaccine proof before I am allowed to operate on any patient. Same goes to all those who work in medical care.

Why is this any different when at the end of the day it protects them and people they are likely to come in contact with?
Because not everyone has a profession of digging directly into people's bodies and hepatitis B is permanent whereas covid is effectively a glorified flu strain.... Removed
111
18/02/2021 14:59:06 12 50
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Apologies I was factually inaccurate about hepatitis B, but the fact still remains that you can't just mandate something like this on people
122
18/02/2021 14:59:58 103 12
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The entire scientific community, NHS and over 100,000 families in this country alone who will disagree with your assessment that covid is 'effectively a glorified flu strain'.
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18/02/2021 15:21:29 1 13
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Until I see wealthy people being forced out of the excessive number of homes and given to the needy, What vaccine? what pandemic? Dont know what you're on about, sounds like a consipracy theory, or worse, man-made in a lab. Not interested. Other problems are more important in my view.

Do I care what you or the media mouthpiecse say?

NO
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18/02/2021 15:23:38 17 0
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My Mum and 120,000 have died of this 'glorified flu strain' and the varients are still doing the rounds. You should volunteer your body to be infected to test vaccinations if your courages matches your foolhardiness.
458
18/02/2021 15:23:49 8 0
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Ignorance personified.
685
18/02/2021 15:36:01 11 0
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Think this through knucklehead! A "glorified strain" taking out over 100k lives! Honestly...............
793
18/02/2021 15:40:18 4 0
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There are currently 119,000 former UK citizens who disagree.
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VoR
18/02/2021 15:45:15 4 0
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Said the person who didn't know what long covid is, or that Covid could spread without someone cutting into your body.
18/02/2021 15:51:43 5 2
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Only an imbecile thinks Covid is glorified flu.
18/02/2021 15:55:04 2 0
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Still after all this time some people just dont understand the issue with covid, its not the disease, it is the breakdown of society if you allowed it to spread freely - bring out your dead!
18/02/2021 16:04:29 1 1
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Flu is a killer. In the 1918 flu pandemic it was the younger folk who died. Personally I cannot ever remember having flu. Similar symptoms maybe, even ‘man’ flu but actual Flu I don’t think so. Please don’t spread this misleading opinion, some people believe it, to their detriment.
18/02/2021 16:04:54 2 0
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It's a simple health & safety question. If you are near colleagues or customers & you are still breathing then you should have the jab. This flu that has killed 120k people in the UK (albeit most with underlying health conditions) so it's slightly worse than seasonal flu. What is the problem or are you scared HMG & Facebook might track your movements & realise you never go anywhere or do anything.
18/02/2021 16:04:56 2 0
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No, it's not, unfortunately. And certainly I think that anybody working with people in any form should have the Covid jab AND the flu jab for their own safety as much as protecting their clientele.
18/02/2021 16:07:08 0 0
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You've caught something serious - the gullability virus perhaps.
18/02/2021 16:03:13 1 0
bbc
It's been a year and some people are still completely ignorant as to what Covid-19 is? Beggars belief.
18/02/2021 16:12:02 1 0
bbc
Flu is a form of Covid virus not Covid19 is a form of flu. But why let the facts get in the way of a deeply held view?
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18/02/2021 14:49:49 11 8
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It's better and easier to boycott any anti vaxxer from any social, financial or employable activities.
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18/02/2021 14:56:13 2 3
bbc
Not vacinnated does not mean they are "anti-vax". Captain Tom it turned out could not be vacinnated.

There could be reasosns, which may be highly personal and confidential, which mean that someone has not had their jab.

Are you planning to cut off finance to the 20s who are not in the priority jab groups?

Under 20? Not vacinnated? You're fired, and we've closed your bank account. 1984.
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Bob
18/02/2021 15:22:17 0 0
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He couldn't be vaccinated because he was on medication for COVID. COVID he got soon after he went abroad.

He would have had the vaccine otherwise.
34
18/02/2021 14:51:02 11 9
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Books allegedly written by men wondering around in a desert 2000 years ago.

Shouldn’t you be bothering women outside an abortion centre?
79
18/02/2021 14:56:13 4 2
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I'm not even religious, but even I can see taking notes from an influential book written about an evil character is not exactly a good look...

You may now go back to reading Harry Potter and fuming about JK Rowling saying naughty things on Twitter
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18/02/2021 14:53:01 10 22
bbc
We’ve seen restrictions on freedom of speech getting worse under the tories. There was a poll the other day saying 20% of people thought it was getting worse.

Now the Troy’s want to stop companies from employing who then want.

The overreach of this party into everyday life is absurd.

They can’t even protect our border!
80
18/02/2021 14:56:21 2 1
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why? it's discrimination. Slippery slope into saying it's legal to refuse to hire someone with a disability
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18/02/2021 14:49:29 123 231
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how about people who cannot take the vaccine?

"Sorry you're job offer is withdrawn because of a medical condition which may prevent you taking the jab"

any such proposal to do this must be carefully balanced, and exceptions written in. Otherwise you will be discriminating against some, and action against you would be justified,
81
18/02/2021 14:56:27 85 4
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There's can't take the vaccine, and won't take the vaccine
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18/02/2021 15:02:33 12 35
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If you force someone to do things so that they cannot hurt others, i.e, take the vaccine and restrict some so that they cannot hurt others. Fair enough.

Then we can equally take away your driving licence, as that may hurt others. Is that reasonable?

Its the same argument, but in reverse,
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18/02/2021 14:56:27 87 25
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Even if you have the jab there is no proof you will not be a carrier and infect others. Some of the ones who have the jab could be worse because the will go into god mode and have the attitude of ''nothing can hurt me I don't care about anyone else''. Will they wash their hands as often as they should?
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18/02/2021 15:11:43 77 11
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I fear that's a real possibility. You only have to listen to the "I can't wait to have my jab so I can go on holiday, to the pub, hug my friends/family" etc; brigade. The vaccine is only one part of the solution and it doesn't stop you spreading it to others.
428
18/02/2021 15:22:29 6 2
bbc
Until there is proof of how well the vaccine stems transmission, what is the point of mandating it? You could still catch it/spread it to others even if you are vaccinated. Therefore the vaccine doesn't protect anyone but yourself.
18/02/2021 16:01:16 0 0
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Control what is controllable. People in catering, healthcare etc have to go through extensive training and precautions on safety. If they fall short they loose their job or the business is closed.
18/02/2021 16:15:51 2 0
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But companies with death in service benefits are most unlikely to employ anyone who refuses to take reasonable steps to protect themselves, and is therefore an expensive liability.

I would far prefer employees who are less likely to need a stay in hospital. Common sense.
18/02/2021 16:45:26 2 2
bbc
No it doesn't stop you catching it. But it makes your recovery far, far, faster. So if someone who gets COVID19 is infectious for three weeks normally, and with the jab it means they are infectious only for seven days, then it cuts down by 66% the risk of infecting others. This is very, very simply maths.
18/02/2021 16:53:41 3 1
bbc
Except it does indeed look from early findings that having the vaccine drastically reduces chance of spreading it - maybe as much as 90%. So if that is the case that it not only stops you getting Covid or passing it on then life can return to normalish.
18/02/2021 17:35:00 1 0
bbc
It's risk reduction, not risk removal & being vaccinated reduces the chance of passing on the virus to others.
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18/02/2021 14:56:35 3 6
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Think the law needs to change so it is applied evenly to all staff. You can't have new staff being forced to vaccinate and existing staff do not. Mind you, it has all the hallmarks of a union fight to resist such things. I'm sure the rail staff, the militant teachers and the other socialist leaning unions will be up for an anti-government fight over it.
115
18/02/2021 14:59:25 1 0
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we can but hope.
84
18/02/2021 14:56:35 11 21
bbc
Thin end of the wedge.

What's the next step, refusing to employ women unless they've had their tubes tied, so they don't have to pay for maternity leave?
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18/02/2021 14:57:24 9 3
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Totally different, and you know it
95
18/02/2021 14:57:55 4 0
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You aren't going to kill anyone by having a baby.....
244
18/02/2021 15:10:52 0 1
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That seems reasonable to me. Businesses should be free to employ people on whatever basis they chose.
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18/02/2021 14:52:36 541 62
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As a surgeon I have to have a Hepatitis B vaccine proof before I am allowed to operate on any patient. Same goes to all those who work in medical care.

Why is this any different when at the end of the day it protects them and people they are likely to come in contact with?
85
18/02/2021 14:56:35 20 72
bbc
Does it. This is totally different they tell us there is no risk in schools. thousands are working every day meeting people. Just because the pimlico plumber can bully this fake self employed people into having a vaccs shouldn't mean the rest of us need to have it.
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ET
18/02/2021 15:38:24 4 2
bbc
You don’t “have to have it”. You just have to accept that by not doing so you may become a pariah and be despised by those around you.
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18/02/2021 14:54:13 7 13
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So you're not allowed to make a living if you're not vaccinated for a thing that mutates like heck and diminishes the efficacy of your vaccination anyway?

I think this is as ethically wrong as not getting it to begin with.
86
18/02/2021 14:56:41 5 0
bbc
Of course you're allowed to make a living, just not at a company that makes having a vaccine mandatory. About the mutating virus - any variant of a vaccine is better than no vaccine at all.
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18/02/2021 15:02:27 2 1
bbc
Ok and if every company does this then what... Or if over time the government mandates it? You say that like it's just a one off thing but we've seen laws and rules intensify over time and become staples. I see this as not being any different.

I'm not an anti vaxxer but i also don't see this being ethical either.
87
18/02/2021 14:56:52 4 4
bbc
No Jab No Job, OK how many certificates do you want? I assume you will need full colour print? It will be on card as the original. With one move I have wiped out this nasty piece of rubbish. Oh, I'll publish the design so this evil idea is totally trashed. Get real.

I remember the ID card for a local electronics company being copied and the pho ID replaced by a Gorilla from the Planet of the Apes
107
18/02/2021 14:58:52 3 0
bbc
which is why a vaccine passport/certificate should be digital
114
18/02/2021 14:59:25 2 0
bbc
Probably have to be backed up with a confirmation letter from your GP.
124
18/02/2021 15:00:08 2 0
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Or alternatively, the employer checks on a government database, just as they do to make sure your don't have a criminal record, or, say, have a clean driving licence if required.
682
18/02/2021 15:30:16 0 0
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yet don't require you to have flu vaccine
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18/02/2021 14:48:25 209 35
bbc
Staff who mix with a wide range of people in their jobs really do need to consider taking the jab. Contracts can include all sorts of conditions, so if the position merits it, then why not include this as a condition, makes sense to me.
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18/02/2021 14:56:53 226 40
bbc
Yes, they don't have to take that job. But the person with a leaking pipe flooding their house has no choice but to call the plumber and is entitled to know that plumber isn't going to infect them!
426
18/02/2021 15:22:23 12 5
bbc
If you've had the jab then why would you be worried about the plumber? Is the jab not effective? If not then don't force the plumber to have one. If you've not had the jab then you have no right to tell the plumber to get one. Either way, you're talking through your...
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M12
18/02/2021 15:30:45 13 3
bbc
And here lies the problem. Just because the plumber has been vaccinated doesn’t mean he can’t have the virus nor pass it on to you! So the householders small risk is not mitigated by forcing the plumber to be vaccinated.
581
18/02/2021 15:31:11 9 2
bbc
99% don't have the virus, so the plumber who "hasn't had the jab" is not likely to infect the customer. Nor does the vaccine provide either perfect or permanent cover, so the plumber who has the jab can still pass on the virus.
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BD
18/02/2021 15:36:37 1 1
bbc
I suspect, with the right precautions - obvious common sense - having a plumber visit your house for a short, finite time to repair a leaking pipe will pose little risk. A very different scenario from those of most concern such as health and care settings ...
762
18/02/2021 15:39:15 4 2
bbc
But surely if the person calling the plumber has had the vaccine there won't be an issue as they are protected. If they aren't then why have the vaccine in the first place?
18/02/2021 16:31:12 4 2
bbc
So the plumber doesn't have the jab, nor does the person who called them. They both get ill. Their choice, but I still believe that they should be allowed that choice. As long as our health service doesn't get over run then that's fine?
18/02/2021 16:33:08 4 1
bbc
No they aren't .

Did you check you plumbers vaccination record last year, or ever before in the history of plumbers?
18/02/2021 16:56:07 2 0
bbc
What does it matter if the person calling the plumber is vaccinated?
18/02/2021 18:43:31 1 0
bbc
paranoia - at least we have a diagnosis for you ...

Now is there a vaccine against you spreading paranoia and hysteria ?
19/02/2021 06:48:44 0 0
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If you have had the jab you would be protected whether your plumber had or not.
19/02/2021 09:28:38 0 0
bbc
If they have had the vaccine what does it matter? If vaccines work they will be protected.
89
18/02/2021 14:56:57 4 15
bbc
Anybody who breaks anti-Covid legislation should be detained under a mental health order on the grounds opf endangering public health. This is a very serious pandemic and too many do not realise it.
228
18/02/2021 14:58:50 0 0
bbc
O!M!G!
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18/02/2021 14:52:59 19 6
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Happy to be self employed
90
18/02/2021 14:57:09 11 2
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Me too.
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18/02/2021 15:41:23 1 1
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Self employed or not.................your customers/clients still have a choice. Just saying...........life not always that simple.
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18/02/2021 14:57:16 35 9
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I don’t see a problem with a company who has their employees in contact with customers asking for you to have the vaccine. It’s for your customers peace of mind and the company’s too. If you don’t want to then choose a job that doesn’t ask for this requirement.......your choice!
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D
18/02/2021 15:23:56 7 13
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I have no problem with them asking. So long as they aren't insisting.
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M12
18/02/2021 15:47:41 1 3
bbc
Following your logic, why did the plumber not make the flu vaccine compulsory?
Can a family member now sue the plumber if a parent died from the flu after a plumbers visit? Of his own admission, he didn’t protect them because he hadn’t made the vaccine compulsory?! Forced vaccination is just virtue signalling.
18/02/2021 15:50:01 4 0
bbc
Why should I sit in an office with someone who may transmit a potentially deadly infection ?
18/02/2021 16:28:52 4 0
bbc
Exactly, smoking was banned in pubs as a health and safety measure for the pub workers. It does extend to your co-workers protection too, sharing an office space could put others at risk