Covid: Three in 10 care home staff in England not vaccinated
18/02/2021 | news | health | 62
In London only half of care workers have had a jab, despite being in the top four priority groups.
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19/02/2021 10:29:14 30 5
bbc
Why are they allowed to continue working in care homes, isn't it against the code of conduct, to endanger the residents by refusing to take one?
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19/02/2021 11:02:47 6 7
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Because no-one else will
33
19/02/2021 19:38:12 0 5
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whats the issue if the residents take the risk and take the vaccine? why place the burden on the staff to the a vaccine that has no long term data???
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CT
19/02/2021 20:28:21 0 3
bbc
Vaccines are only one prong in the form, and definelty not the largest.

Ventilation, Ppe, cleanliness, quality of food ( keep the imune system up).

Unless the.homes are on top of these, jabs for staff is minimal scapegoating.
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19/02/2021 10:48:13 19 6
bbc
Arguably a criminal offence of reckless endagerment?
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19/02/2021 10:57:49 2 1
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It's bad in the "front-line" services too - my local Fire and Rescue service has vaccinated its CFS Advocates (the officers who visit premises to tell people to get smoke alarms) but not its retained firefighters. So those who can refuse to deal with anyone not observing social distancing, wearing a mask, etc. have been prioritised over those who routinely have to get "stuck in", masks or not.
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19/02/2021 11:02:05 11 0
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They surely know the death and distress the virus causes better than most. Is it due to ethnicity, their much younger ages or issues around travel to vacc. centres ?
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19/02/2021 10:57:36 30 5
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These people who will not have the vaccine must not be allowed near our vulnerable aged people
1
19/02/2021 10:29:14 30 5
bbc
Why are they allowed to continue working in care homes, isn't it against the code of conduct, to endanger the residents by refusing to take one?
6
19/02/2021 11:02:47 6 7
bbc
Because no-one else will
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MVP
19/02/2021 11:13:33 1 10
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The care home sector has been treated badly by the authorities throughout this pandemic.

People working in care homes are putting themselves at risk just as much of NHS staff
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19/02/2021 11:28:53 27 4
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It beggars belief that people working in care homes, caring for older and vulnerable people in many cases, are refusing to be vaccinated. Absolutely disgraceful.
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19/02/2021 11:26:56 25 5
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Keep it simple. No jab, no job, hello replacement
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19/02/2021 11:57:49 17 4
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Whether from ignorance or selfishness, they will probably expect NHS staff to care for them when they are seriously ill with Covid19.
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19/02/2021 12:07:09 5 0
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It would be interesting to know the age profile of those who haven't had the jab. Is it young people who aren't concerned personally about catching the virus, or higher-risk people who, for whatever reason, are sceptical about being vaccinated?
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19/02/2021 12:28:23 18 3
bbc
Not really relevant - the primary reason for carers being vaccinated is to protect those they're caring for. Not all care home residents are able to receive the vaccine, and it's not effective in 100% of cases. A secondary reason is to protect colleagues. Only after that does protecting themselves and their families come into play - although that should be reason enough.
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19/02/2021 12:22:46 18 5
bbc
The care homes are in legal jeopardy if they continue to employ vaccine refuseniks. If any of their residents are infected by these idiots, the employer could be sued.
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19/02/2021 14:47:13 3 5
bbc
I doubt is that is the case, but it should be.
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19/02/2021 18:39:09 0 7
bbc
Colin i feel your in a battle with yourself! The carers have been at the very forefront in the last 14 months looking after every ones elderly parents. There is no proof the vaccine stops carers catching or spreading Covid to others. Maybe some have caught Covid and know they are safe for 6 months or more? Or do you make up your own science and like people to lose their livelihoods? Calm down.
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19/02/2021 12:07:09 5 0
bbc
It would be interesting to know the age profile of those who haven't had the jab. Is it young people who aren't concerned personally about catching the virus, or higher-risk people who, for whatever reason, are sceptical about being vaccinated?
13
19/02/2021 12:28:23 18 3
bbc
Not really relevant - the primary reason for carers being vaccinated is to protect those they're caring for. Not all care home residents are able to receive the vaccine, and it's not effective in 100% of cases. A secondary reason is to protect colleagues. Only after that does protecting themselves and their families come into play - although that should be reason enough.
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19/02/2021 21:19:23 0 5
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No it’s not, these vaccines do not stop transmission
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19/02/2021 12:36:21 20 1
bbc
Most people will ask the care home if all their staff are vaccinated .If not, or the manager refuses to answer, then people will vote with their feet and go elsewhere.
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19/02/2021 14:44:35 3 3
bbc
Most people do not get the choice
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CT
19/02/2021 13:27:15 5 3
bbc
The figure does not include agency staff. So not.very accurate then,considering the number of agency staff employed.
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19/02/2021 21:41:46 5 0
bbc
This IS a good point the heads of these agencies need to be told that if their staff haven't got a vac certificate they won't be able to work until they get one
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CT
19/02/2021 13:37:03 6 22
bbc
Vacination remains a personal choice, and long may that be the case.

Otherwise we maybe you should not work with vulnerable people if you smoke, eat meat, drink alcohol, yes, all things that weaken our bodies and make us suspectable to the virus.
18
19/02/2021 14:13:36 13 3
bbc
Accepting employment is a personal choice
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19/02/2021 22:09:21 4 0
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Surgeons have to have Hep vaccination in order to practice - hope you need one soon.
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19/02/2021 13:42:34 29 1
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My daughter is a shielder and lives in supported living. Her staff need to be vaccinated so that her health is safeguarded. It is 'reasonable' to ask all care workers supporting her to be vaccinated otherwise she would be put at unnecessary risk.
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19/02/2021 19:33:48 1 21
bbc
no, SHE needs a vaccine not the staff as guinnie pigs
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CT
19/02/2021 13:37:03 6 22
bbc
Vacination remains a personal choice, and long may that be the case.

Otherwise we maybe you should not work with vulnerable people if you smoke, eat meat, drink alcohol, yes, all things that weaken our bodies and make us suspectable to the virus.
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19/02/2021 14:13:36 13 3
bbc
Accepting employment is a personal choice
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CT
19/02/2021 15:12:23 1 4
bbc
Yes, and vaccination is not currently a condition of employment.
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AH
19/02/2021 14:39:22 20 4
bbc
No jab....No job !!!
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19/02/2021 19:33:00 1 14
bbc
is this Hitler?
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19/02/2021 12:36:21 20 1
bbc
Most people will ask the care home if all their staff are vaccinated .If not, or the manager refuses to answer, then people will vote with their feet and go elsewhere.
20
19/02/2021 14:44:35 3 3
bbc
Most people do not get the choice
12
19/02/2021 12:22:46 18 5
bbc
The care homes are in legal jeopardy if they continue to employ vaccine refuseniks. If any of their residents are infected by these idiots, the employer could be sued.
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19/02/2021 14:47:13 3 5
bbc
I doubt is that is the case, but it should be.
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19/02/2021 15:07:14 14 0
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Amended headline. "Three in ten care home staff in England have so far refused the vaccine." This removes the implied lack of vaccine or disorganised roll out or someone else's fault
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19/02/2021 14:13:36 13 3
bbc
Accepting employment is a personal choice
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CT
19/02/2021 15:12:23 1 4
bbc
Yes, and vaccination is not currently a condition of employment.
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19/02/2021 16:23:55 8 1
bbc
It should be a condition of employment for care workers. Personal choice: get vaccinated and work as a care worker or choose to find another job. Simple.
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19/02/2021 16:06:44 5 18
bbc
These vaccines were fast tracked & have only 1 year temporary emergency approval under reg 174 of the Human Medicines Regulations 2012. Take a look at the current list of adverse reactions reported for the Pfizer & AZ vaccines on the MHRA site, more than you can poke a stick at. Then read the articles in BMJ where GPs etc raise concerns. The public has been fed a narrative different to reality.
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CT
19/02/2021 17:32:13 1 12
bbc
Bang on right.

Until our government displays a serious across the board approach to approving all these 'scientific' bio offerings, can't say that I will be accepting this jab.

Why the hell is the likes of Glyphosphate and Aminopryalid permitted to be sprayed around the fields for instance?
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19/02/2021 16:11:17 5 19
bbc
Vaccines cannot prevent cov-19, they might possibly attenuate its symptoms in folk who are susceptible however they may also cause long term adverse reactions & unintended effects as yet unknown. Wearing PPE is a better bet & following sanitising etc. See the mounting adverse reactions on the MHRA site.
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CT
19/02/2021 15:12:23 1 4
bbc
Yes, and vaccination is not currently a condition of employment.
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19/02/2021 16:23:55 8 1
bbc
It should be a condition of employment for care workers. Personal choice: get vaccinated and work as a care worker or choose to find another job. Simple.
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CT
19/02/2021 17:04:13 2 7
bbc
Until it it proven that being vaccinated makes you less likely to be carrier, this would be unethical.
This essentially comes down to ensuring that the enviroment is fit for purpose.
Is their sufficient ppe of suitable quality, is there sufficiebt air flow etc. Are cleaning standards up to scratch Without prioritising these things first, the whole jab thing falls on its face.
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19/02/2021 21:18:13 1 5
bbc
Why when it doesn’t stop transmission
26
19/02/2021 16:23:55 8 1
bbc
It should be a condition of employment for care workers. Personal choice: get vaccinated and work as a care worker or choose to find another job. Simple.
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CT
19/02/2021 17:04:13 2 7
bbc
Until it it proven that being vaccinated makes you less likely to be carrier, this would be unethical.
This essentially comes down to ensuring that the enviroment is fit for purpose.
Is their sufficient ppe of suitable quality, is there sufficiebt air flow etc. Are cleaning standards up to scratch Without prioritising these things first, the whole jab thing falls on its face.
24
19/02/2021 16:06:44 5 18
bbc
These vaccines were fast tracked & have only 1 year temporary emergency approval under reg 174 of the Human Medicines Regulations 2012. Take a look at the current list of adverse reactions reported for the Pfizer & AZ vaccines on the MHRA site, more than you can poke a stick at. Then read the articles in BMJ where GPs etc raise concerns. The public has been fed a narrative different to reality.
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CT
19/02/2021 17:32:13 1 12
bbc
Bang on right.

Until our government displays a serious across the board approach to approving all these 'scientific' bio offerings, can't say that I will be accepting this jab.

Why the hell is the likes of Glyphosphate and Aminopryalid permitted to be sprayed around the fields for instance?
12
19/02/2021 12:22:46 18 5
bbc
The care homes are in legal jeopardy if they continue to employ vaccine refuseniks. If any of their residents are infected by these idiots, the employer could be sued.
29
19/02/2021 18:39:09 0 7
bbc
Colin i feel your in a battle with yourself! The carers have been at the very forefront in the last 14 months looking after every ones elderly parents. There is no proof the vaccine stops carers catching or spreading Covid to others. Maybe some have caught Covid and know they are safe for 6 months or more? Or do you make up your own science and like people to lose their livelihoods? Calm down.
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19/02/2021 21:43:10 5 0
bbc
PLENTY of evidence the care staff have been whacking the virus around - visitors have been banned for MONTHS! duh
W have it if you are not at risk? the responsibility is on those who need it... and the worried well are welcome to have it also. My family have refused with zero data into the long-term effects of these vaccines. This is part of what is a robust vaccine...long term data. However, if you are at risk then on balance have it. In contrast to the hysteria message, most people are NOT at risk Removed
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19/02/2021 21:39:28 8 1
bbc
Who has gotten to you???? IT'S A PANDEMIC GET VACCINATED
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19/02/2021 21:52:23 5 0
bbc
please dont get a jab, hopefully darwinism will do the trick for you
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AH
19/02/2021 14:39:22 20 4
bbc
No jab....No job !!!
31
19/02/2021 19:33:00 1 14
bbc
is this Hitler?
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19/02/2021 21:40:16 9 0
bbc
No probably a fair minded person who has a relation in a care home mate
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19/02/2021 13:42:34 29 1
bbc
My daughter is a shielder and lives in supported living. Her staff need to be vaccinated so that her health is safeguarded. It is 'reasonable' to ask all care workers supporting her to be vaccinated otherwise she would be put at unnecessary risk.
32
19/02/2021 19:33:48 1 21
bbc
no, SHE needs a vaccine not the staff as guinnie pigs
35
19/02/2021 21:17:42 0 6
bbc
Exactly, these vaccines stop severe symptoms not transmission
53
20/02/2021 07:57:30 3 0
bbc
They are not trial participants so such your ' Ginnie pigs' metaphore is both inaccurate and ingenuous.. We need as many people as possible to have the vaccine... And particularly those working in Health and Social care so they dont pass it on.
1
19/02/2021 10:29:14 30 5
bbc
Why are they allowed to continue working in care homes, isn't it against the code of conduct, to endanger the residents by refusing to take one?
33
19/02/2021 19:38:12 0 5
bbc
whats the issue if the residents take the risk and take the vaccine? why place the burden on the staff to the a vaccine that has no long term data???
52
20/02/2021 07:54:07 1 0
bbc
Because vaccination is always imperfect. And those who are most vulnerable for health reasons are most likely to be in the 5-15% who have lower protection from the vaccine. Conversely the young and healthy care staff should have very good levels of immunity from 1 dose of the vaccine - if they take it.
1
19/02/2021 10:29:14 30 5
bbc
Why are they allowed to continue working in care homes, isn't it against the code of conduct, to endanger the residents by refusing to take one?
34
CT
19/02/2021 20:28:21 0 3
bbc
Vaccines are only one prong in the form, and definelty not the largest.

Ventilation, Ppe, cleanliness, quality of food ( keep the imune system up).

Unless the.homes are on top of these, jabs for staff is minimal scapegoating.
32
19/02/2021 19:33:48 1 21
bbc
no, SHE needs a vaccine not the staff as guinnie pigs
35
19/02/2021 21:17:42 0 6
bbc
Exactly, these vaccines stop severe symptoms not transmission
54
20/02/2021 07:57:56 2 0
bbc
The do both based on current research from Israel and Oxford.
57
20/02/2021 09:33:07 1 0
bbc
No, they do stop severe disease but also have a substantial effect on transmission too.
26
19/02/2021 16:23:55 8 1
bbc
It should be a condition of employment for care workers. Personal choice: get vaccinated and work as a care worker or choose to find another job. Simple.
36
19/02/2021 21:18:13 1 5
bbc
Why when it doesn’t stop transmission
13
19/02/2021 12:28:23 18 3
bbc
Not really relevant - the primary reason for carers being vaccinated is to protect those they're caring for. Not all care home residents are able to receive the vaccine, and it's not effective in 100% of cases. A secondary reason is to protect colleagues. Only after that does protecting themselves and their families come into play - although that should be reason enough.
37
19/02/2021 21:19:23 0 5
bbc
No it’s not, these vaccines do not stop transmission
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19/02/2021 21:19:15 7 1
bbc
Care workers putting others at risk is not very caring.
39
19/02/2021 21:38:13 6 1
bbc
I'm beginning to suspect illegal immigrants may work in some care homes which is why they daren't approach a doctor to get their jabs thoughts?
51
20/02/2021 07:34:07 3 0
bbc
An illegal immigrant wouldn’t be able to work in a care home.
W have it if you are not at risk? the responsibility is on those who need it... and the worried well are welcome to have it also. My family have refused with zero data into the long-term effects of these vaccines. This is part of what is a robust vaccine...long term data. However, if you are at risk then on balance have it. In contrast to the hysteria message, most people are NOT at risk Removed
40
19/02/2021 21:39:28 8 1
bbc
Who has gotten to you???? IT'S A PANDEMIC GET VACCINATED
31
19/02/2021 19:33:00 1 14
bbc
is this Hitler?
41
19/02/2021 21:40:16 9 0
bbc
No probably a fair minded person who has a relation in a care home mate
44
19/02/2021 21:51:34 5 0
bbc
nicely put, well said
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CT
19/02/2021 13:27:15 5 3
bbc
The figure does not include agency staff. So not.very accurate then,considering the number of agency staff employed.
42
19/02/2021 21:41:46 5 0
bbc
This IS a good point the heads of these agencies need to be told that if their staff haven't got a vac certificate they won't be able to work until they get one
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CT
19/02/2021 22:02:52 0 3
bbc
Yes, but you may find that a surprising number of agency staff may not be legaly entitled to get a Covid jab
29
19/02/2021 18:39:09 0 7
bbc
Colin i feel your in a battle with yourself! The carers have been at the very forefront in the last 14 months looking after every ones elderly parents. There is no proof the vaccine stops carers catching or spreading Covid to others. Maybe some have caught Covid and know they are safe for 6 months or more? Or do you make up your own science and like people to lose their livelihoods? Calm down.
43
19/02/2021 21:43:10 5 0
bbc
PLENTY of evidence the care staff have been whacking the virus around - visitors have been banned for MONTHS! duh
41
19/02/2021 21:40:16 9 0
bbc
No probably a fair minded person who has a relation in a care home mate
44
19/02/2021 21:51:34 5 0
bbc
nicely put, well said
W have it if you are not at risk? the responsibility is on those who need it... and the worried well are welcome to have it also. My family have refused with zero data into the long-term effects of these vaccines. This is part of what is a robust vaccine...long term data. However, if you are at risk then on balance have it. In contrast to the hysteria message, most people are NOT at risk Removed
45
19/02/2021 21:52:23 5 0
bbc
please dont get a jab, hopefully darwinism will do the trick for you
49
20/02/2021 00:37:11 0 5
bbc
He/she/it did say to get the vaccine if you were vulnerable which is the correct approach. They seem to know better than you that if you're young enough or healthy enough you are not at risk. if you're vulnerable don't expect people to do things for you, it's your responsibility to look after your own health not theirs.
42
19/02/2021 21:41:46 5 0
bbc
This IS a good point the heads of these agencies need to be told that if their staff haven't got a vac certificate they won't be able to work until they get one
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CT
19/02/2021 22:02:52 0 3
bbc
Yes, but you may find that a surprising number of agency staff may not be legaly entitled to get a Covid jab
47
19/02/2021 22:06:08 7 2
bbc
"cultural" issues - says it all, spot the elephant in the room and understand why the "hot spots" of infection exist.
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CT
19/02/2021 13:37:03 6 22
bbc
Vacination remains a personal choice, and long may that be the case.

Otherwise we maybe you should not work with vulnerable people if you smoke, eat meat, drink alcohol, yes, all things that weaken our bodies and make us suspectable to the virus.
48
19/02/2021 22:09:21 4 0
bbc
Surgeons have to have Hep vaccination in order to practice - hope you need one soon.
45
19/02/2021 21:52:23 5 0
bbc
please dont get a jab, hopefully darwinism will do the trick for you
49
20/02/2021 00:37:11 0 5
bbc
He/she/it did say to get the vaccine if you were vulnerable which is the correct approach. They seem to know better than you that if you're young enough or healthy enough you are not at risk. if you're vulnerable don't expect people to do things for you, it's your responsibility to look after your own health not theirs.
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AJ
20/02/2021 07:28:46 6 0
bbc
A care worker not getting the vaccine is a disgrace and they should be sacked . Literally putting people lives at risk .
39
19/02/2021 21:38:13 6 1
bbc
I'm beginning to suspect illegal immigrants may work in some care homes which is why they daren't approach a doctor to get their jabs thoughts?
51
20/02/2021 07:34:07 3 0
bbc
An illegal immigrant wouldn’t be able to work in a care home.
33
19/02/2021 19:38:12 0 5
bbc
whats the issue if the residents take the risk and take the vaccine? why place the burden on the staff to the a vaccine that has no long term data???
52
20/02/2021 07:54:07 1 0
bbc
Because vaccination is always imperfect. And those who are most vulnerable for health reasons are most likely to be in the 5-15% who have lower protection from the vaccine. Conversely the young and healthy care staff should have very good levels of immunity from 1 dose of the vaccine - if they take it.
32
19/02/2021 19:33:48 1 21
bbc
no, SHE needs a vaccine not the staff as guinnie pigs
53
20/02/2021 07:57:30 3 0
bbc
They are not trial participants so such your ' Ginnie pigs' metaphore is both inaccurate and ingenuous.. We need as many people as possible to have the vaccine... And particularly those working in Health and Social care so they dont pass it on.
35
19/02/2021 21:17:42 0 6
bbc
Exactly, these vaccines stop severe symptoms not transmission
54
20/02/2021 07:57:56 2 0
bbc
The do both based on current research from Israel and Oxford.
55
20/02/2021 08:27:06 0 1
bbc
A care home in Plymouth claimed their mobile hairdresser was a carer under their umbrella, so that she was one of the first to get a jab! She's young healthy & runs marathons! She told her clients in the community that she was safe & couldn't transmit the virus & so was allowed to still work through lockdown. Such misuse of vaccine by care homes & loophole for selfish cheats is scandalous.
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20/02/2021 08:45:37 5 0
bbc
It is absolutely unacceptable for a care home worker to refuse vaccination and this should be made a condition of employment, if necessary through legislation. Would we employ life-savers who endanger lives because they cannot swim ? After all the fuss about their exposure to danger this minority of care home workers are proving to be total hypocrites !
35
19/02/2021 21:17:42 0 6
bbc
Exactly, these vaccines stop severe symptoms not transmission
57
20/02/2021 09:33:07 1 0
bbc
No, they do stop severe disease but also have a substantial effect on transmission too.
29
19/02/2021 18:39:09 0 7
bbc
Colin i feel your in a battle with yourself! The carers have been at the very forefront in the last 14 months looking after every ones elderly parents. There is no proof the vaccine stops carers catching or spreading Covid to others. Maybe some have caught Covid and know they are safe for 6 months or more? Or do you make up your own science and like people to lose their livelihoods? Calm down.
37
19/02/2021 21:19:23 0 5
bbc
No it’s not, these vaccines do not stop transmission
60
20/02/2021 10:18:26 2 1
bbc
If I ran a care home, I would say - no vaccine, then no employment. It makes me quite annoyed that 48% of care workers in London, working with the most at risk have refused a vaccine.
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20/02/2021 19:21:48 0 0
bbc
But we are happy to now allow relatives in to hold loved ones hands, which is also a disgrace, it’s not just the elderly in care homes that haven’t seen or been able to touch their parents etc, my father in law only has a short time to live but my husband cannot visit him or hold his hand.
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20/02/2021 22:45:56 0 0
bbc
It would be useful to know the locations and ethnicity of these people and who they care for.

Agency staff have brought Covid into my mother's home 3 times.

Most "carers" have no interest in the task of caring. It is a poorly paid job, and often the only job available. Few qualifications, little training and poor management are typical. Many home owners are doctors. Nuff said.