Covid: Health workers appeal to PM for better personal protection
19/02/2021
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In a letter, 20 organisations say measures to tackle airborne spread of coronavirus are "inadequate".
My GP doesn't need better PPE. He just needs to learn how to stop hiding under his desk.
Ventilation could be a big issue.
My aunt went hospital after a fall and caught covid there, the last thing an 80+ person should catch.
I don't know how easy the solutions are but they should look at it.
My aunt went hospital after a fall and caught covid there, the last thing an 80+ person should catch.
I don't know how easy the solutions are but they should look at it.
"How can anyone downvote this comment? Ridiculous."
Not anti-government enough?
I was just coming at it from a health and safety perspective
Not anti-government enough?
I was just coming at it from a health and safety perspective
Because they voted Tory, and believe it is entirely wrong to criticise Boris's Government.
Stop Johnsons Cronies awarding the contracts to their chums and the NHS might get better PPE
Better still set up PPE manufacturing here instead of high risk space tech agencies.
Get Real Tories.
Better still set up PPE manufacturing here instead of high risk space tech agencies.
Get Real Tories.
Its you who needs to get real. The way you go on, you'd think 'cronyism' was a Tory malaise. Different people get rich under Labour Governments, but cronyism is alive and well there I can assure you. Worse than that, under Labour, its usually the militant and sinister Unions that rake it in while crippling the economy.
The NHS specifies PPE, not the government. Provided it meets the specification does it matter who makes it?
If a new specification is needed why arent the NHS and professionals respecifying it?
If a new specification is needed why arent the NHS and professionals respecifying it?
Hmmm. Just like BLiar and Brown offering PFI contracts that have completely stuffed the NHS during their time as dictators
Got a spare factory, machinery and workforce spare have you?
The government are still letting essential workers down over PPE. They have had a year to get this right but still manage to get it gloriously wrong. Let's all be honest, the only thing this government has got right in the last year has been the vaccinations and well done to them for at least getting something right. But in general they are useless and led by a duff PM who should not be there.
27 million COMMISSION to a middleman for PPE? Brilliant govt, money to burn!
It's the responsibly of NHS highly paid procurement managers to sort not the government.
The government gives the money. It is NHS Managers and civil servants, whose job it has always been, to source and obtain the RIGHT PPE that has been identified to them by the medical professionals within the nhs. Its not the job of any mp or party to obtain the right stuff. NHS MANAGERS who have this responsibility it is they that should do their jobs
Maybe he could organise a mass clap by Tory voters... will that not do instead of safe working conditions?
Surely, if they want any more it's just greed on their part? How will we afford tax breaks for the rich if they give the underling PPE?
Surely, if they want any more it's just greed on their part? How will we afford tax breaks for the rich if they give the underling PPE?
Can't believe people are still praising this govt for how it's dealt with Covid.
Well is certainly an issue for the courts. Gov found guilty of breaking procurment rules of transparency.
With this government why are you surprised.
When will all the annoying plebs and oiks stop moaning and leave poor Boris alone?
Message to Boris - I've got a mate who knows someone in Thailand that can make this stuff very quickly. I will only charge you £10 million for his contact details. This is way cheaper than what you've agreed to before.
This shouldn't even be an issue, it should have been a matter of priority to ensure staff had the best possible PPE right from the start. Well done to those hospitals and Trusts who are looking after the providing the better equipment.
It was scandalous that we did not have sufficient stocks of PPE from the start; successive governments having sold it off in the past.
It was scandalous that we did not have sufficient stocks of PPE from the start; successive governments having sold it off in the past.
Dont type such crap - "having sold it off in the past."
British company Versarien have just had a FFP3 mask tested and it provides 99.92,% protection against covid19 due to its antiviral graphene layer in. These masks are even reusable.
Why doesn't virus invest in British companies with the best product rather than companies with the highest return for Tory donors
Why doesn't virus invest in British companies with the best product rather than companies with the highest return for Tory donors
Nice idea, but graphene costs as much as cocaine..
Examples of the companies of Tory donors?
Is Graphene antiviral? Evidence please
Is Graphene antiviral? Evidence please
How about because your claim regarding Tory donors is just the usual socialist nonsense?
How about because their mask is currently FFP2 rated & costs many times more than similarly rated masks.
The one you are referring to is a prototype mask...
How about because their mask is currently FFP2 rated & costs many times more than similarly rated masks.
The one you are referring to is a prototype mask...
Because they need to replace lost EU investment.
Graphine development required shed loads of EU backing. Plus new Graphine headquarters built with EU money.
Link that to other news on low funding of high risk Aria project. We may not get much more UK innovation.
Graphine development required shed loads of EU backing. Plus new Graphine headquarters built with EU money.
Link that to other news on low funding of high risk Aria project. We may not get much more UK innovation.
I assume you mean 'Why doesn't the govt. invest...'. Perhaps because the mask is FFP2 not FFP3, is 95% effective against particles larger than 0.3 microns but the C19 virus is 0.12 microns. It also has ear loops, not head straps so a very close fit is difficult to achieve. The tests were carried out by Ankara University. Do you work for the company?
There's billions of pounds worth of PPE, floating around. Billions!! Unfortunately the Government don't know where it is. Perhaps it's in that big warehouse, along with the Holy Grail.....???
Never mind clapping hands; give them the tools to do their job!
Existing PPE designs were either too expensive or inappropriate for Covid. We need to design a more integral and cost effective solution and keep it in readiness for the next time.
The issue of ventilation needs to be raised in all workplaces as part of the Covid response.
Still one year on, and in my workplace, no windows or ventilation for the four of us. Management advise us to keep the firedoors open.
Still one year on, and in my workplace, no windows or ventilation for the four of us. Management advise us to keep the firedoors open.
It is unbelievable that after what these people have already been through, including saving the glorious leader’s life, that they cannot be protected in the best possible way. I am disgusted.
Some questions to think about: (1) what impact does "better" PPE have on health of the staff in question?; (2) is there enough PPE to supply all staff; (3) what is the additional cost vs benefit & what other expenditure should we cut to cover the cost? &; (4) what work is involved in admin re change to PPE and what is the impact of re-deploying people to this? .....
Typical leftist nonsense. Current FFP3 masks are at least as effective as the graphene mask being touted by the far left & cost 80% less.
This shouldn't even be an issue, it should have been a matter of priority to ensure staff had the best possible PPE right from the start. Well done to those hospitals and Trusts who are looking after the providing the better equipment.
It was scandalous that we did not have sufficient stocks of PPE from the start; successive governments having sold it off in the past.
It was scandalous that we did not have sufficient stocks of PPE from the start; successive governments having sold it off in the past.
Why WOULDN'T the government supply the best possible protective clothing for ALL healthcare staff?
Its very simple. The workers want a gold plated solution, the science cannot determine if there is a real benefit in doing so. It is no different in any other country, i can assure you.
Simple it is because the UK Government doesn't want to pay for it.
Because it's up to the individual NHS trusts & for the same reason we don't all drive Mercedes.
If a mask costing £1 gives 95% protection, then buying masks giving 96% protection but for £8 each is NOT a good use of resources.
If a mask costing £1 gives 95% protection, then buying masks giving 96% protection but for £8 each is NOT a good use of resources.
Because they bought masses of over priced rubbish masks from their chums and donors, which they have to use up. NHS staff are obviously expendable. In any other setting, the unions would have called a stop to this and refused to work without proper protection.
Cannon fodder. Simples.
Billions of pounds worth of PPE, in containers and maybe, just maybe, floating between here and China, but who knows, they are looking into it, apparently.....???
Asking the Government for better PPE is a licence to print money in contracts to their friends and family.
The reason for the debacle is because of the public outcry during the swine flu outbreak about how much public money was being wasted...
This is something that shouldn't be negotiable. Sort it Johnson.
And no-one can say "hindsight" any more.
And no-one can say "hindsight" any more.
It's actually a lot more than that. Die on day 29 onwards and you're counted in the daily totals! Thanks to improved treatments many more people are surviving but also more are dieing but after a longer period of treatment.
Once they have been vaccinated for a few weeks, or for those who have had and recovered from covid-19, PPE will no longer be necessary.
I'm very surprised that most aren't looking forward to ditching all this uncomfortable gear ASAP.
I'm very surprised that most aren't looking forward to ditching all this uncomfortable gear ASAP.
Health Care workers want top of the range PPE (and who can blame them), science is unsure of the benefit...
Government have to balance the benefit versus cost and (more importantly) procurement (they've been burnt here before).
No solution will please everyone and the Government get the blame.
Government have to balance the benefit versus cost and (more importantly) procurement (they've been burnt here before).
No solution will please everyone and the Government get the blame.
Does this call for PPE come from BAME NHS staff who are refusing to be vaccinated?
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My GP doesn't need better PPE. He just needs to learn how to stop hiding under his desk.
Its you who needs to get real. The way you go on, you'd think 'cronyism' was a Tory malaise. Different people get rich under Labour Governments, but cronyism is alive and well there I can assure you. Worse than that, under Labour, its usually the militant and sinister Unions that rake it in while crippling the economy.
More bull
Oh, well that's ok then!!
Normally, the govt. puts contracts out to tender. Anyone can bid, and the contract is awarded to the bid judged to offer the best value to the taxpayer. Everything is documented and on record.
This govt. has illegally bypassed these protections and is simply handing contracts to friends. There is no oversight and no accountability. Vast sums are being diverted into the trousers of party donors.
This govt. has illegally bypassed these protections and is simply handing contracts to friends. There is no oversight and no accountability. Vast sums are being diverted into the trousers of party donors.
What, exactly, are the hospital managers on £200,000 per year doing about it?
You can't buy stuff that's not on the approved list.
The requested items are on the approved list - as they are used in ICU's. So the question remains valid.
In that case how did bozo's chums manage to buy so much substandard PPE from their friends?
You say that like it's a bad thing, yet at the same time, accuse the government of supplying "shoddy PPE".
Typical socialist doublespeak.
Typical socialist doublespeak.
I see the shills have been sent out to blame nhs managers or claim they don’t want the vaccine so don’t deserve further protection. Always someone else to deflect onto
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Why WOULDN'T the government supply the best possible protective clothing for ALL healthcare staff?
Bull
Please consider viewing this article https://www.rcpjournals.org/content/clinmedicine/20/3/242 from the Royal College of Physicians, published last May explaining that for a long time it has been known that FFP3 masks are required for adequate protection. If you scroll down to the first table it also shows how even after several reviews we fall short compared to other countries in PPE guidance
What utter rubbish. A surgical mask may be OK in the suprtmarket but not in an environment with high levels of Covid aerosol. Please don't mislead people with the tosh you read on your phone.
Once they have been vaccinated for a few weeks, or for those who have had and recovered from covid-19, PPE will no longer be necessary.
I'm very surprised that most aren't looking forward to ditching all this uncomfortable gear ASAP.
I'm very surprised that most aren't looking forward to ditching all this uncomfortable gear ASAP.
Dude, denying the truth, in capitals, and with an exclamation mark, doesn't change it??.
Their are about 1 million health & care workers. If 930 have died that's roughly 0.1%
The UK population is 67 million. 119,000 have died - roughly 0.2% So health & care workers are half as likely to die as the rest of us. Yet they want more protection.
The UK population is 67 million. 119,000 have died - roughly 0.2% So health & care workers are half as likely to die as the rest of us. Yet they want more protection.
I think your logic is at fault in your calculations.
You have to catch the virus to be able to die from it, therefore you have to calculate the mortality rate base on the number of infections NOT the total number of staff.
If you have 1 million workers and 10,000 become infected that would be an infection rate of 1%
If you have 1000 of those 10,000 die then the mortality rate would be 10%
You have to catch the virus to be able to die from it, therefore you have to calculate the mortality rate base on the number of infections NOT the total number of staff.
If you have 1 million workers and 10,000 become infected that would be an infection rate of 1%
If you have 1000 of those 10,000 die then the mortality rate would be 10%
After more than a year, with eye-watering contracts for supply of faulty gear going to Tory cronies & mates, this is a massive scandal which no one in Govt seems to care about...
Currently any patient comes into contact with a GP or nurse who is positive for covid does not have to be contacted by track and trace, such is the faith in the effectiveness of the PPE. Some contradiction.
Hospital based infections have been be a problem for years raising questions about how safe, clean and hygienic they are and this should warrant urgent attention.
Hospital based infections have been be a problem for years raising questions about how safe, clean and hygienic they are and this should warrant urgent attention.
Why dont they speak to their managers - they are after all responsible.
This is the problem with the NHS. The management of it is not accountable.
There are thousand of desk jockeys who get paid more than the PM who should be sorting this out. Instead where are they - who are they? No one knows.
This is the problem with the NHS. The management of it is not accountable.
There are thousand of desk jockeys who get paid more than the PM who should be sorting this out. Instead where are they - who are they? No one knows.
Yeah, they must be doing nothing because you don't know what they are doing. I suggest you give the education secretary a ring and pass on your expertise since you clearly have nothing better to do?
My mate is one of those desk jockeys. He cant buy the gear if central government isn't giving him the money to do it.
He worked 73 hours last week 35 unpaid trying to chase up supply lines.
He worked 73 hours last week 35 unpaid trying to chase up supply lines.
Shouldn’t that be die on the 29 th day and you are NOT counted in the daily statistics
The total is dies from any cause within 28 days of a covid positive test so deaths directly from covid could be a lot less using your argument someone tests positive recovers but dies within 28 days of an unconnected heart attack goes down as a covid death when it is clearly not
Some questions to think about: (1) what impact does "better" PPE have on health of the staff in question?; (2) is there enough PPE to supply all staff; (3) what is the additional cost vs benefit & what other expenditure should we cut to cover the cost? &; (4) what work is involved in admin re change to PPE and what is the impact of re-deploying people to this? .....
Are you mad? Better PPE, like the stuff you probably use to cut MDF in your shed which saves your life, is what they are asking for! You defy belief!!
1) Probably a big effect on mental health, at the very least. 2) If not, why not, 11 months in? 3) Benefit of saving lives, among people who save other lives - that outweighs all costs, surely. 4) There are hundreds of people out of work who could be trained to do this, so no re-deployment should be needed. Again, this could and should have been planned for long since.
Please consider this article https://www.rcpjournals.org/content/clinmedicine/20/3/242 based on scientific research published by Royal College of Physicians back in May which explains how providing adequate PPE is indeed cost effective when staff absenteeism and illness due to lack of adequate PPE is taken into account.Not to mention saving lives and helping prevent hospitals become viral vectors.
I'm going to donate some PPE to my GP. I have a steel bongo in the shed like they wore in the first world war trenches. Should protect his head should he bang it whilst sheltering under his desk.
My G.P. has been vaccinating his patients since before Christmas in a well-run C19 vaccination campaign. What are you doing to help - beside hiding in your shed?
Suddenly lots of supply companies have been created all with links to the Conservative MP's.
I suppose being in the party allegedly for business has got to count for something.
I suppose being in the party allegedly for business has got to count for something.
Labour have no links with any companies, because they do not know anything about business.
Not at all suddenly, lies & fabrications by the far left have become routine, ridiculous & ever more bitter.
The reason business owners are conservatives is because they have the sense to know socialism destroys industry (including PPE manufacturers).
The reason business owners are conservatives is because they have the sense to know socialism destroys industry (including PPE manufacturers).
Strange, when this same issue was being raised by Yoon press in Scotland it was the scandal of the day! Mass murder by Ms Sturgeon.
Perhaps the English are not so important to the BBC!
Perhaps the English are not so important to the BBC!
What do Turkish healthcare & the NHS have in common? They were both denied PPE because of Tory failures.
I wonder how the EU faired, I suppose we were kept from knowing that.
If only we had voted for Corbyn, it would all have been so much better, wouldn't it?
Is the death rate of health care workers higher or lower than the general population?
The Torybots are a bit slow off the mark, so for brevity here's a summary of the below comments:
?? "Bias BBC only finding negative stories!"
?? "But Labour would of been much worse!!!"
?? "How are the EU getting on? Thank God we left"
?? "Nothing to do with the govt, all the fault of bureaucratic NHS bosses"
?? "Stop doing Britain down!"
?? "Bias BBC only finding negative stories!"
?? "But Labour would of been much worse!!!"
?? "How are the EU getting on? Thank God we left"
?? "Nothing to do with the govt, all the fault of bureaucratic NHS bosses"
?? "Stop doing Britain down!"
The government gives the money. It is NHS Managers and civil servants, whose job it has always been to source and obtain the RIGHT PPE that has been identified to them by the medical professionals within the nhs. Its not the job of any mp or party to obtain the right stuff. NHS MANAGERS should do their jobs
Yes Sen the look how well we are doing band wagon rolls on.
Tell that to the 100 thou plus dead.
Tell that to the 100 thou plus dead.
Why dont they speak to their managers - they are after all responsible.
This is the problem with the NHS. The management of it is not accountable.
There are thousand of desk jockeys who get paid more than the PM who should be sorting this out. Instead where are they - who are they? No one knows.
This is the problem with the NHS. The management of it is not accountable.
There are thousand of desk jockeys who get paid more than the PM who should be sorting this out. Instead where are they - who are they? No one knows.
Has Hancock got the number for that dodgy supplier how got him all that inadequate PPE we waited weeks for.
This call for better PPE is entirely justified - as is an insistance on vaccination for all, especially in a healthcare setting. Care homes remain a major source of infections and deaths yet one in three carers have refused to be vaccinated. They are not fit to do that job now.
The EU is not a homogeneous entity. National governments have sovereignty to choose how they respond to the pandemic. Although there was a collective effort to purchase PPE (fixing price and availability) - governments within the EU had the choice to join that effort or go their own way. Some have done a good job whilst others have not. More Brexity nonsense on sovereignty!
The government are still letting essential workers down over PPE. They have had a year to get this right but still manage to get it gloriously wrong. Let's all be honest, the only thing this government has got right in the last year has been the vaccinations and well done to them for at least getting something right. But in general they are useless and led by a duff PM who should not be there.
Is the death rate of health care workers higher or lower than the general population?
Completely untrue.
The NHS alone employs 1.5 million across the UK
There have been approximately 950 deaths, or 633 per million.
The death rate for the general population is 1,753 per million - more than two & a half times higher.
The NHS alone employs 1.5 million across the UK
There have been approximately 950 deaths, or 633 per million.
The death rate for the general population is 1,753 per million - more than two & a half times higher.
Come on Boris you have only had 11 months to sort this out.
It's like not giving your armed forces the equipment to protect them in combat. They possibly saved you, so come on put our money where your mouth is.
It's like not giving your armed forces the equipment to protect them in combat. They possibly saved you, so come on put our money where your mouth is.
Put the blame where it belongs: With the NHS Trust managers whose task it is to ensure their employees are protected.
It's not the PM's job to micromanage NHS Trusts supplies.
It's not the PM's job to micromanage NHS Trusts supplies.
The NHS will happily gobble up as many billions of pounds that you want to throw at it, with no definitive results. We have created a monster that it is viewed as sacrilege to criticise. Total reform is required but there is no one capable of doing so. We shuffle along knowing all is not well but are paralysed by uncertainty.
The health of the nation is not measurable.?
As large swathes of our manufacturing capability have gone down the toilet since the 1970s it's hardly surprising we find ourselves in the difficult situation of sourcing quality PPE in time of such high worldwide demand from abroad. Off shoring has many risks to save a few pounds.
Yes because the 'enterprising' just take the rigged buy to let very easy route. Never start and run real making businesses. The unrivalled easy wealth from property makes working for a lift living silly, not worth even starting. The UK malaise, overpriced property making easy money for spivs.
Yes, and I wonder why.
I don't suppose it might have something to do with some procurement manager coming up with the bright idea of saving a few quid by buying stuff from sweat shop Far Eastern supplier.
The trouble is, it's not just the NHS.
Many household names do it and even the British Army gets it's kit from China.
I don't suppose it might have something to do with some procurement manager coming up with the bright idea of saving a few quid by buying stuff from sweat shop Far Eastern supplier.
The trouble is, it's not just the NHS.
Many household names do it and even the British Army gets it's kit from China.
Why dont they speak to their managers - they are after all responsible.
This is the problem with the NHS. The management of it is not accountable.
There are thousand of desk jockeys who get paid more than the PM who should be sorting this out. Instead where are they - who are they? No one knows.
This is the problem with the NHS. The management of it is not accountable.
There are thousand of desk jockeys who get paid more than the PM who should be sorting this out. Instead where are they - who are they? No one knows.
Of course he did...
Oh & the money's been available since early last year, so he must be somewhat incompetent.
Oh & the money's been available since early last year, so he must be somewhat incompetent.
Asking the Government for better PPE is a licence to print money in contracts to their friends and family.
You must have a long memory, as Labour haven't been in power for nearly 11 years. What I can tell you is that when Blair came to power, we almost instantly noticed a big improvement in our daughter's schools equipment. Years of Tories saying class sizes don't matter (whilst privately educating theirs in classes of 15) showed they do
So almost a year on, & just under 20 major healthcare bodies have appealed to the PM for better PPE!
Wow! The Govt really does learn its lessons doesn't it? A year late on hotel quarantining, admission we can't control our borders, nor survive without imports, dither & delaying everywhere, unless it's handing out lucrative contracts to their cronies! We're so blessed to have these incompetents!??
Wow! The Govt really does learn its lessons doesn't it? A year late on hotel quarantining, admission we can't control our borders, nor survive without imports, dither & delaying everywhere, unless it's handing out lucrative contracts to their cronies! We're so blessed to have these incompetents!??
We are blessed to have such a good vaccine programme. When you are offered your dose, you will not be turning down the 'incompetents', will. you?
Utter nonsense. It's the NHS Trusts to blame, NOT central government.
Presumably you expect the Health Secretary to call each trust every day to check & see if they need any more PPE...
Presumably you expect the Health Secretary to call each trust every day to check & see if they need any more PPE...
They are appealing for highly specific PPE, gold plated PPE. Doesnt the NHS specify the standard of PPE it uses not the government? Wake up!!
The government gives the money. It is NHS Managers and civil servants, whose job it has always been to source and obtain the RIGHT PPE that has been identified to them by the medical professionals within the nhs. Its not the job of any mp or party to obtain the right stuff. Smears from leftie activists with zero evidence shows how desperate they have become. NHS MANAGERS should do their jobs
Now is time to stop buying poorly made, poor quality foreign goods and restart the British manufacturing industry.
A made in Britain/buy British campaign is needed.
A made in Britain/buy British campaign is needed.
Good luck with that! The only "made in Britain" campaign the Tories would back, is one that has "made by Tories" stamped all over it!??
I was waiting for that old outdated statement to appear.
And how do we do that, exactly? We have almost nothing left, gonna take an awful lot of investment, and if the other party was suggesting that it would all be "CrAsH TeH EcOnOmEeE!!!"
British industry did not adapt when the rest of the world did. A quote that illustrates the point came from an engineer working for a now defunct British car maker. His claim, "We know how something is going to be made before it is designed". Far East manufacturing is driven by design not engineering. Oddly enough it has it's roots in British Design Education which was abandoned by Michael Gove.
Sadly, "Made In Britain" failed last time because Maggie sold our manufacturing base. There is a reason why most of our big industries are foreign-owned.
As long as that doesn't mean resurrecting the likes of British Leyland and the lovely Allegro.
Don't forget, a lot of "British" manufacturers chose to go down the cheap offshore manufacturing route where it was easier to stick a label on something bought in and stick it in a cardboard box, using British cardboard of course.
Don't forget, a lot of "British" manufacturers chose to go down the cheap offshore manufacturing route where it was easier to stick a label on something bought in and stick it in a cardboard box, using British cardboard of course.
What about we give danger money to the uneducated workshy to do the dirty jobs and all the educated health workers distantly supervise.
The NHS will happily gobble up as many billions of pounds that you want to throw at it, with no definitive results. We have created a monster that it is viewed as sacrilege to criticise. Total reform is required but there is no one capable of doing so. We shuffle along knowing all is not well but are paralysed by uncertainty.
Health v Cost!
The health of the nation is not as good as it should be, given the amount of money that is spent on the NHS and the number of people who work for it. The NHS is good in parts, but uneven. It needs to be reviewed.
Its a pity you don't seem to understand that it doesn't matter how much money you give to the NHS, it isn't fit for purpose (and whilst noble in concept, never really was).
Reform is the only way, but its more convenient to use the NHS as a political football isn't it?
Reform is the only way, but its more convenient to use the NHS as a political football isn't it?
Maybe he could organise a mass clap by Tory voters... will that not do instead of safe working conditions?
Surely, if they want any more it's just greed on their part? How will we afford tax breaks for the rich if they give the underling PPE?
Surely, if they want any more it's just greed on their part? How will we afford tax breaks for the rich if they give the underling PPE?
Says a rich person.
Actually the Rich spend a lower % of their wealth on such goods, how many Lear jets does one person realistically have? Also the Rich tend to spend overseas too, so much of that wealth doesn’t help our economy. And the total day to day total spending on living is far greater by many ordinary people than few really rich. Also many Rich just inherited money and put it offshore so no benefit at all.
So it the crumbs of the rich to us blebs.
Some questions to think about: (1) what impact does "better" PPE have on health of the staff in question?; (2) is there enough PPE to supply all staff; (3) what is the additional cost vs benefit & what other expenditure should we cut to cover the cost? &; (4) what work is involved in admin re change to PPE and what is the impact of re-deploying people to this? .....
Good luck with your prejudices.
More leftist drivel.
The UK is the 7th largest manufacturing nation in the world.
The UK is the 7th largest manufacturing nation in the world.
Perhaps, as with the Scottish Government, there should be regular interim audits of Bungling Bonzo's Eton Toffs and their Covid Performance. The BBC and the ToryTrolls were all over Audit Scotland's relatively mild comments about PPE supply in Scotland.
Let's see you roast Kim-Bonzo Un, loyal unreflecting Toryboys.
Let's see you roast Kim-Bonzo Un, loyal unreflecting Toryboys.
"Don't worry!" says Bojo, as he orders a pile of shoddy useless junk from his Eton chums, "The taxpayer will foot the bill."
What a particularly ridiculous claim to make & one typical of a far left, Tory hater.
The supply of PPE is down to hospital trusts & the government only steps in when they fail.
Despite the lies from the left, contingency stockpiles of emergency PPE have been kept & updated since 2014.
The supply of PPE is down to hospital trusts & the government only steps in when they fail.
Despite the lies from the left, contingency stockpiles of emergency PPE have been kept & updated since 2014.
Perhaps, as with the Scottish Government, there should be regular interim audits of Bungling Bonzo's Eton Toffs and their Covid Performance. The BBC and the ToryTrolls were all over Audit Scotland's relatively mild comments about PPE supply in Scotland.
Let's see you roast Kim-Bonzo Un, loyal unreflecting Toryboys.
Let's see you roast Kim-Bonzo Un, loyal unreflecting Toryboys.
The fault here lies squarely with the NHS trusts & other organisations who have failed to protect their staff, NOT with the government.
It's not the job of the Health Secretary or civil servants to micromanage such things as the supply of PPE.
It's not the job of the Health Secretary or civil servants to micromanage such things as the supply of PPE.
You forgot the Ventigate scandal.
Detached thinking here. The government provide the funding. For 10 plus years they have been demanding cutbacks and so called efficiency cost savings. Such attitudes belong in the dark ages and ultimately result in obscene amounts of money having to be spent. Dealing with Covid is a text book case in point!
The health of the nation is not measurable.?
So almost a year on, & just under 20 major healthcare bodies have appealed to the PM for better PPE!
Wow! The Govt really does learn its lessons doesn't it? A year late on hotel quarantining, admission we can't control our borders, nor survive without imports, dither & delaying everywhere, unless it's handing out lucrative contracts to their cronies! We're so blessed to have these incompetents!??
Wow! The Govt really does learn its lessons doesn't it? A year late on hotel quarantining, admission we can't control our borders, nor survive without imports, dither & delaying everywhere, unless it's handing out lucrative contracts to their cronies! We're so blessed to have these incompetents!??
The Army are doing the distributing don't forget, not your darling Tories.
The Govt has had minimal involvement in the vaccine rollout, hence why its been so successful! Also if Oxford had begun work on the vaccine whilst Boris & Co were congratulating themselves on the Brexit fiasco, we'd still be 3 months away from a vaccine!??
I like to bash the Tories too, and God knows they give us plenty of opportunity to do so, but on the subject of vaccinations they've actually done not bad.
This is the one and only thing I can think about to praise them.
This is the one and only thing I can think about to praise them.
The vaccine rollout is thanks to the NHS, not that bunch of Boris losers. Don't forget his incompetence has given us the highest death rates and most damaged economy in Europe.
I'm going to donate some PPE to my GP. I have a steel bongo in the shed like they wore in the first world war trenches. Should protect his head should he bang it whilst sheltering under his desk.
They should be appealing to their hospital HS&E Managers. They are responsible.
Wear something more provocative you mean.
"Don't worry!" says Bojo, as he orders a pile of shoddy useless junk from his Eton chums, "The taxpayer will foot the bill."
The health of the nation is not measurable.?
I wonder how the EU faired, I suppose we were kept from knowing that.
The EU is not a homogeneous entity. National governments have sovereignty to choose how they respond to the pandemic. Although there was a collective effort to purchase PPE (fixing price and availability) - governments within the EU had the choice to join that effort or go their own way. Some have done a good job whilst others have not. More Brexity nonsense on sovereignty!
I think we are speaking from the same Hymn sheet.
We never got to hear how their PPE rollout faired but plenty about the vaccine.
We never got to hear how their PPE rollout faired but plenty about the vaccine.
The fault here lies squarely with the NHS trusts & other organisations who have failed to protect their staff, NOT with the government.
It's not the job of the Health Secretary or civil servants to micromanage such things as the supply of PPE.
It's not the job of the Health Secretary or civil servants to micromanage such things as the supply of PPE.
Except it wasn't a scandal, except in the eyes of far left, unthinking Tory haters.
The fault here lies squarely with the NHS trusts & other organisations who have failed to protect their staff, NOT with the government.
It's not the job of the Health Secretary or civil servants to micromanage such things as the supply of PPE.
It's not the job of the Health Secretary or civil servants to micromanage such things as the supply of PPE.
Detached thinking here. The government provide the funding. For 10 plus years they have been demanding cutbacks and so called efficiency cost savings. Such attitudes belong in the dark ages and ultimately result in obscene amounts of money having to be spent. Dealing with Covid is a text book case in point!
Nonsense, especially as the NHS has been given INCREASED funding in thet time.
Why is PPE still an issue?
The government are still letting essential workers down over PPE. They have had a year to get this right but still manage to get it gloriously wrong. Let's all be honest, the only thing this government has got right in the last year has been the vaccinations and well done to them for at least getting something right. But in general they are useless and led by a duff PM who should not be there.
Suddenly lots of supply companies have been created all with links to the Conservative MP's.
I suppose being in the party allegedly for business has got to count for something.
I suppose being in the party allegedly for business has got to count for something.
Despite literally existing to support the employees of businesses?
Absolute drivel comment.
Absolute drivel comment.
Why would they?
There was already experienced companies that produced PPE in the UK but were over looked for Tory donors with no experience who failed to deliver adequate PPE.
The existing companies ended up selling and supplying other countries at a cheaper price too.
There was already experienced companies that produced PPE in the UK but were over looked for Tory donors with no experience who failed to deliver adequate PPE.
The existing companies ended up selling and supplying other countries at a cheaper price too.
Seriously, how old are you?
Why is PPE still an issue?
My aunt went hospital after a fall and caught covid there, the last thing an 80+ person should catch.
I don't know how easy the solutions are but they should look at it.