Covid: Almost two million in UK 'have not worked for six months'
18/02/2021 | news | business | 124
Those people affected were either unemployed or fully furloughed, the Resolution Foundation think tank said.
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18/02/2021 15:43:08 9 8
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tell us about it , they are always on here moaning about the snp , or our NHS or sturgeon or anything scottish .
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18/02/2021 15:46:29 24 6
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People had no choice here to be made unemployed or furloughed.

But the I'm Alright Jack brigade will still complain.

Signed, Someone who is in full employment with 100% pay (one of the lucky ones, for sure).
Must get bored of looking at the same brown boxes wizzing past on the conveyor all day though ? Removed
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JF
18/02/2021 15:48:12 9 6
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The UK needs to create a recovery strategy that creates high value jobs and drives economic growth. While it has injected billions to keep the UK afloat, it will need to inject millions to fund existing high growth and new companies. Without such capital injection we are looking at a recession like the great depression of the 1930's.
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18/02/2021 16:07:22 13 2
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spending on Green energy, energy infrastructure and the communications network would be a good start and if HS2 is to continue then we need to be buying British steel for it
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18/02/2021 17:24:20 5 1
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Trouble is, 'high value' doesn't necessarily mean high-paid. For example, carers have a high value to society, but typically earn little more than the National Minimum Wage - and so contribute little in tax.
For many years we've relied on migrant workers to carry out essential, but often unpleasant and low-paid jobs. Will the British unemployed be willing to step into the gaps left by EU workers?
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18/02/2021 15:47:08 15 6
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Probably as many have not worked for 6 years, but nothing to do with Covid-Lets talk about that shall we?
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18/02/2021 15:51:20 10 12
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No. Let's not.
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18/02/2021 16:06:20 5 5
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Imagine how worse it would be if there was no cap on number of kids for benefits pandemic or not
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19/02/2021 15:09:52 0 0
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Why would you want to do that? Are you trying to start the Tory blame game already?
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18/02/2021 15:47:16 9 13
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Cue the angry furlough-bashers - i.e. the angry triple lock crew, who lead comfortable lives.
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18/02/2021 16:08:26 7 3
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Hi UB40 Triple Lock Member with 50 years on the old card. What's your problem?
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18/02/2021 15:47:08 15 6
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Probably as many have not worked for 6 years, but nothing to do with Covid-Lets talk about that shall we?
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18/02/2021 15:51:20 10 12
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No. Let's not.
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18/02/2021 15:55:38 23 2
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If your young try and get a job in the Public Sector, nice to see many have applied for careers in Nursing and Care.
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18/02/2021 15:54:58 13 3
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No problem with this 2m at all. It is not their fault COVID hit the world. Just hope as many as possible have jobs to go back to in a few weeks or months.
There are a similar number who have no excuse but have not worked for 6 years or more and have no intention of doing so that should be the real discussion point. In the UK., not the people who would gladly work.
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18/02/2021 16:21:52 5 12
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COVID didn’t close businesses it’s the government that done that. There are plenty of countries that did not go for lockdowns.
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18/02/2021 15:59:37 11 6
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That few !!!!

Furlough should have come with strings that folks had to do something for the benefit of their community
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18/02/2021 16:29:56 10 11
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What do you do for your community, apart from dream of the 50s and National Service?
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18/02/2021 16:38:03 1 5
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Furlough was only necessary because the Govt forced businesses to close of took actions that had that direct effect. Govt should hence have been responsible for paying full wages to all THEY forced out of work. There was another way.
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18/02/2021 16:03:35 8 3
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Vaccinate fast to get the economy back up and running
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18/02/2021 16:16:58 5 3
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close borders test arrivals from EU
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18/02/2021 15:47:08 15 6
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Probably as many have not worked for 6 years, but nothing to do with Covid-Lets talk about that shall we?
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18/02/2021 16:06:20 5 5
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Imagine how worse it would be if there was no cap on number of kids for benefits pandemic or not
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18/02/2021 16:36:55 8 7
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Imagine how much better our society would be if people didn't vilify people on benefits or make sweeping generalisations about the unemployed.
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18/02/2021 18:53:21 1 1
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Don’t teal Boris about the cap !
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JF
18/02/2021 15:48:12 9 6
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The UK needs to create a recovery strategy that creates high value jobs and drives economic growth. While it has injected billions to keep the UK afloat, it will need to inject millions to fund existing high growth and new companies. Without such capital injection we are looking at a recession like the great depression of the 1930's.
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18/02/2021 16:07:22 13 2
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spending on Green energy, energy infrastructure and the communications network would be a good start and if HS2 is to continue then we need to be buying British steel for it
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Ian
18/02/2021 17:27:11 3 0
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Sadly there's no British Steel to buy!
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18/02/2021 15:47:16 9 13
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Cue the angry furlough-bashers - i.e. the angry triple lock crew, who lead comfortable lives.
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18/02/2021 16:08:26 7 3
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Hi UB40 Triple Lock Member with 50 years on the old card. What's your problem?
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18/02/2021 16:23:41 1 7
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The main problem is that most of you didn’t pay enough into the system.
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18/02/2021 16:10:30 22 5
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Many of these roles will never 'bounce back', and others will return to 'zombie' businesses with hopeless debt. But Britain is not the only country with this problem, and our vaccine success may mean we get out of this faster than others. Expect world-wide tax increases, and inflation, as we seek to get out of this.
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19/02/2021 14:57:42 0 0
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Since 2008 most Government borrowing has been through its bank, the BoE, buying Government corporate bonds:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/mar/08/the-verdict-on-10-years-of-quantitative-easing

The BoE is part of Government:

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/knowledgebank/who-owns-the-bank-of-england

The BoE has conjured the money it has used to buy Government bonds out of thin air.
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19/02/2021 14:58:24 0 0
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The BoE has also been, since the 2008 crash, buying back Government bonds from financial institutions, who have in turn bought more Government bonds; and it's been going in that circular motion ever since.

This is all funded by the money conjured out of thin air; it has redirected lots more wealth to the rich, whilst we have been sold the lie we need to repay it through austerity & wage freezes.
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19/02/2021 14:58:56 0 0
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When interest rates are extremely low or, as they are currently, at a negative rate, institutions are paying the Government to look after their money.

It's a game of smoke & mirrors proving that the economy has always been contrived & manipulated.

There is no need to raise our taxes, depress our wages or impose austerity on us. Will YOU fall for it again?
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19/02/2021 15:01:06 0 0
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If people doubt what I am saying they can read up on it here:

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy/quantitative-easing

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/markets/market-notices/2020/asset-purchase-facility-additional-corporate-bond-purchases

It's not as if the BoE hides what the Government is doing. The BBC doesn't explain the circular bond buying as I do above. I wonder why?
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18/02/2021 16:15:13 13 6
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As soon as furlough ends, unfortunately mass redundancies will follow to satisfy shareholders
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18/02/2021 16:18:13 8 3
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It will be best that Furlough is phased out rather than just ending, as restrictions ease then more and more will go back to work, hopefully there will not be too many redundancies but there will be some and those people will need support
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18/02/2021 16:21:35 1 0
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Your first part is correct, but you will find that Dividends have been cut dramatically or stopped completely, so nothing to do with the shareholder, its supply and demand.
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19/02/2021 12:12:10 0 0
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Business will always be business, many "shareholders" including pension funds have lost both capital and dividends during covid and they haven't received any compensation either.
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18/02/2021 16:17:51 8 10
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The Government has crushed small Business and thousands are closing down.Thousands of vacant premises will be picked up cheap by Investment Banks and Hedge Funds who will then make a "Thank You Payment" Donation to the Tory Party
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18/02/2021 16:15:13 13 6
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As soon as furlough ends, unfortunately mass redundancies will follow to satisfy shareholders
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18/02/2021 16:18:13 8 3
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It will be best that Furlough is phased out rather than just ending, as restrictions ease then more and more will go back to work, hopefully there will not be too many redundancies but there will be some and those people will need support
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Bob
18/02/2021 16:18:28 7 2
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For context, seen as none is given, the figure is normally around 500k-1m.
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18/02/2021 16:19:06 14 2
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Its very easy to get rid of people when things are tough in the market, but even when it picks up, it takes an aweful lot longer to hire again, so I feel sorry for those who have lost their job or about too when furlough finishes, as if your not required now, you probably won't be required in the near future. Harsh , but true. Its a long road back.
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19/02/2021 15:07:21 0 0
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It's going to take a government that is willing to follow the example of what the Labour government did after WW2, when the debt was much larger, and when we didn't have the wheeze of QE!
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18/02/2021 16:15:13 13 6
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As soon as furlough ends, unfortunately mass redundancies will follow to satisfy shareholders
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18/02/2021 16:21:35 1 0
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Your first part is correct, but you will find that Dividends have been cut dramatically or stopped completely, so nothing to do with the shareholder, its supply and demand.
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18/02/2021 15:54:58 13 3
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No problem with this 2m at all. It is not their fault COVID hit the world. Just hope as many as possible have jobs to go back to in a few weeks or months.
There are a similar number who have no excuse but have not worked for 6 years or more and have no intention of doing so that should be the real discussion point. In the UK., not the people who would gladly work.
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18/02/2021 16:21:52 5 12
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COVID didn’t close businesses it’s the government that done that. There are plenty of countries that did not go for lockdowns.
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19/02/2021 12:09:38 1 0
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You cannot be serious! 120,000+ dead, would probably be 250,000+ if business hadn't closed although I suppose you think that getting rid of more 70+ year olds and "disadvantaged" would be a plus for the rest of the population!
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18/02/2021 16:22:08 12 6
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Some people in government have never 'worked' - just taken the hand-outs they call a salary.
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18/02/2021 16:03:35 8 3
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Vaccinate fast to get the economy back up and running
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18/02/2021 16:16:58 5 3
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close borders test arrivals from EU
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Em
18/02/2021 17:13:23 3 1
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Including the Republic of Ireland who seem to be excempt! Has to stop.
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18/02/2021 16:17:26 3 5
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two million jobless soon

great reset
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Hex
18/02/2021 16:31:18 6 0
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Must have missed the great reset a few years ago when it was 2 million.
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18/02/2021 17:03:34 3 4
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Wasn't it supposed to hit 2 million after we voted leave? Instead it fell from 1.5 million to 700k.

Unemployment will rise this year, but will fall again just as quickly.
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18/02/2021 16:08:26 7 3
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Hi UB40 Triple Lock Member with 50 years on the old card. What's your problem?
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18/02/2021 16:23:41 1 7
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The main problem is that most of you didn’t pay enough into the system.
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18/02/2021 17:38:05 5 0
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Paid PLENTY others Spaffed it.
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18/02/2021 16:28:58 13 10
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That's nothing.

Mogg and Bojo have never done a hard day's work in their lives.
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18/02/2021 15:59:37 11 6
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That few !!!!

Furlough should have come with strings that folks had to do something for the benefit of their community
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18/02/2021 16:29:56 10 11
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What do you do for your community, apart from dream of the 50s and National Service?
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18/02/2021 16:17:26 3 5
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two million jobless soon

great reset
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Hex
18/02/2021 16:31:18 6 0
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Must have missed the great reset a few years ago when it was 2 million.
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18/02/2021 16:34:50 16 1
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Many will remain so when Furlough ends. Prepare for mass increase in the unemployment figure in 2-3 months
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19/02/2021 15:03:49 0 1
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Unfortunately, that seems inevitable unless the government pumps money into these companies to revitalise them.
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18/02/2021 16:35:58 6 1
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Don't fear because I heard Barclays is giving away billions in loans and they don't expect the loans to be paid back.
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18/02/2021 16:52:57 14 0
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That's exactly why we should be afraid. Barclays is sounding so cavalier because those loans are being guaranteed by government (for which read 'tax-payers'), not their equity.
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18/02/2021 16:06:20 5 5
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Imagine how worse it would be if there was no cap on number of kids for benefits pandemic or not
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18/02/2021 16:36:55 8 7
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Imagine how much better our society would be if people didn't vilify people on benefits or make sweeping generalisations about the unemployed.
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18/02/2021 15:59:37 11 6
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That few !!!!

Furlough should have come with strings that folks had to do something for the benefit of their community
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18/02/2021 16:38:03 1 5
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Furlough was only necessary because the Govt forced businesses to close of took actions that had that direct effect. Govt should hence have been responsible for paying full wages to all THEY forced out of work. There was another way.
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DDC
18/02/2021 16:50:23 10 14
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I hear that UK companies are taking on staff at their new bases in the EU. Something related to Brexit I believe.
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18/02/2021 17:01:02 10 6
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Where did you "hear" that?

Can you give some actual examples instead of hearsay.
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18/02/2021 16:35:58 6 1
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Don't fear because I heard Barclays is giving away billions in loans and they don't expect the loans to be paid back.
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18/02/2021 16:52:57 14 0
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That's exactly why we should be afraid. Barclays is sounding so cavalier because those loans are being guaranteed by government (for which read 'tax-payers'), not their equity.
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18/02/2021 16:57:10 22 3
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As hard as it sounds, furlough has to end. Its already been extended. When lockdown ends you should drop to the less generous Job support scheme for two months and then be taken back on or made redundant. If your job isn't back by then, it never will and you need to find another. The harsh reality of life. That's fair to taxpayers as well as those who've done no work for 6-12 months on furlough
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19/02/2021 14:56:16 0 1
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Thanks for that Sherlock!

Pity we all haven't got such a matter of fact, I'm alright Jack attitude like you!
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DDC
18/02/2021 16:50:23 10 14
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I hear that UK companies are taking on staff at their new bases in the EU. Something related to Brexit I believe.
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18/02/2021 17:01:02 10 6
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Where did you "hear" that?

Can you give some actual examples instead of hearsay.
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DDC
18/02/2021 17:13:59 6 4
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Try reading the Economics sections on the internet. One company which was in the news recently was"Bennett Silks in Stockport" and "Spurrell’s Cheshire cheese company" to name but two. There are many more examples if you look. This is not hearsay but fact. Many others are already there including several companies in the area which I live in.
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18/02/2021 18:41:24 2 3
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Try reading further and you will understand better. Less than a month ago, the Governments own ministers have recommended that British companies move to the EU.
"Exporters advised by Department for International Trade officials to form EU-based companies to circumvent border issues"

https://www.reddit.com/r/brexit/comments/l4tz2t/exporters_advised_by_department_for_international/
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18/02/2021 17:01:16 16 2
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Furloughed for 3 months then 25% of staff made redundant strangely those over 50 who had grown the company , worked over 50 plus hours a week as staff no overtime . Then you find out 6 months later taking on younger staff much lower pay
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19/02/2021 15:05:20 0 0
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If they do that, you would have grounds for taking them to an Employment Tribunal for unfair dismissal.
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18/02/2021 16:17:26 3 5
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two million jobless soon

great reset
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18/02/2021 17:03:34 3 4
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Wasn't it supposed to hit 2 million after we voted leave? Instead it fell from 1.5 million to 700k.

Unemployment will rise this year, but will fall again just as quickly.
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AMc
18/02/2021 17:06:24 37 13
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There's circa 5m able body/minded people who have never done a days work in their life whilst the rest of us pay for their benefits.
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18/02/2021 17:21:54 19 22
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Can't blame immigration anymore so it's back to 'dole scroungers' eh? Just stick to reading the Daily Mail.
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19/02/2021 09:30:26 2 2
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keep up .. your right wing politicians have just added 5 million to that with Covid handling. 5 million that have done many many days work you ignoramous .. Even the original 5 million 80% work on rubbish pay that needs UC Benefit support. I hate Daily Mailer cult with a pashion. Create the problem then deflect deflect deflect is the TORY right wing way. Look at me and my Trustfund poor people...
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Em
18/02/2021 17:11:58 7 5
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2 million have`t worked!!! Is Labour in power already?
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18/02/2021 20:16:49 2 2
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NO its the tories again...

competent... no not ar all.....
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18/02/2021 16:16:58 5 3
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close borders test arrivals from EU
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Em
18/02/2021 17:13:23 3 1
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Including the Republic of Ireland who seem to be excempt! Has to stop.
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18/02/2021 22:05:16 0 0
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Yes, what is it with ROI citizens who seem to be able to come and go as they please and even vote in UK Parliamentary elections? Anyone would think that the events of 1916-1922 had never happened.
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18/02/2021 17:01:02 10 6
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Where did you "hear" that?

Can you give some actual examples instead of hearsay.
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DDC
18/02/2021 17:13:59 6 4
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Try reading the Economics sections on the internet. One company which was in the news recently was"Bennett Silks in Stockport" and "Spurrell’s Cheshire cheese company" to name but two. There are many more examples if you look. This is not hearsay but fact. Many others are already there including several companies in the area which I live in.
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18/02/2021 17:32:04 4 3
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I've NEVER had Cheshire cheese anywhere but on an English Cheese-board. I can't see they are big in Europe !!
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18/02/2021 17:14:05 6 6
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Its quite simple, all those put on furlough have a slightly higher tax code/ tax Letter, to repay a little bit extra in their wages each month going forward. if you are made redundant you don't have to repay it again until you start work again. Maybe also a similar scheme for those companies who took up the furlough scheme. Any abuse of the system- fraud/ bad loans should be investigated.
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Ian
18/02/2021 17:30:28 0 4
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The companies that have taken advantage of furlough should be required to pay it back not the employees.
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18/02/2021 17:20:43 5 5
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And once it's time to go back to work how many will blame 'long Covid' as a reason not to?
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18/02/2021 18:54:49 1 1
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You getting your excuse in early ?
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AMc
18/02/2021 17:06:24 37 13
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There's circa 5m able body/minded people who have never done a days work in their life whilst the rest of us pay for their benefits.
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18/02/2021 17:21:54 19 22
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Can't blame immigration anymore so it's back to 'dole scroungers' eh? Just stick to reading the Daily Mail.
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JF
18/02/2021 15:48:12 9 6
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The UK needs to create a recovery strategy that creates high value jobs and drives economic growth. While it has injected billions to keep the UK afloat, it will need to inject millions to fund existing high growth and new companies. Without such capital injection we are looking at a recession like the great depression of the 1930's.
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18/02/2021 17:24:20 5 1
bbc
Trouble is, 'high value' doesn't necessarily mean high-paid. For example, carers have a high value to society, but typically earn little more than the National Minimum Wage - and so contribute little in tax.
For many years we've relied on migrant workers to carry out essential, but often unpleasant and low-paid jobs. Will the British unemployed be willing to step into the gaps left by EU workers?
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18/02/2021 16:07:22 13 2
bbc
spending on Green energy, energy infrastructure and the communications network would be a good start and if HS2 is to continue then we need to be buying British steel for it
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Ian
18/02/2021 17:27:11 3 0
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Sadly there's no British Steel to buy!
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18/02/2021 17:29:13 7 8
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Once more, the takers don't know how lucky they are. You normally earn £3,000 a month, on furlough, you'll have been paid £2,400 a month .... Your tax contribution before furlough started was £392 a month. Over 6 mths of your tax to pay 1 month of your furlough pay .... Someone on £75,000, who's going to get £2,500 a month (the cap), will have been paying £1,358 tax a month before. BE GRATEFUL !
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18/02/2021 17:57:47 3 2
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You do know that the furlough payment was taxed? . If you were at or below the cap your take home pay was 80% of normal . I was furloughed for 5 months lost £400 a month then got my jotters so no I'm not grateful.
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18/02/2021 18:03:35 2 0
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if you were furloughed through no fault of yours & the Gov't gave you a reduced income paid for from taxes you have been paying for 40+ years, would you call yourself a taker?
most people can't wait to get back to work on a full wage & only hope their job will be there.
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18/02/2021 20:19:47 1 2
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If you got given so much money to start with perhaps you should have got nothing from furlough. It was and is grossly excessive. Half that is still too high.
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18/02/2021 17:14:05 6 6
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Its quite simple, all those put on furlough have a slightly higher tax code/ tax Letter, to repay a little bit extra in their wages each month going forward. if you are made redundant you don't have to repay it again until you start work again. Maybe also a similar scheme for those companies who took up the furlough scheme. Any abuse of the system- fraud/ bad loans should be investigated.
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Ian
18/02/2021 17:30:28 0 4
bbc
The companies that have taken advantage of furlough should be required to pay it back not the employees.
80
18/02/2021 20:21:42 1 0
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No those getting the money should, including companies where they got rates reductions holidays etc. Wages are down to the individuals to pay back. It is a good idea.
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DDC
18/02/2021 17:13:59 6 4
bbc
Try reading the Economics sections on the internet. One company which was in the news recently was"Bennett Silks in Stockport" and "Spurrell’s Cheshire cheese company" to name but two. There are many more examples if you look. This is not hearsay but fact. Many others are already there including several companies in the area which I live in.
50
18/02/2021 17:32:04 4 3
bbc
I've NEVER had Cheshire cheese anywhere but on an English Cheese-board. I can't see they are big in Europe !!
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DDC
18/02/2021 17:45:18 1 1
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The big picture is of job loses and investment related to the following "At the start of 2020 there were 5.94 million small businesses (with 0 to 49 employees), 99.3% of the total business. SMEs account for 99.9% of the business population (6.0 million businesses). SMEs account for three fifths of the employment and around half of turnover in the UK private sector."
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18/02/2021 16:23:41 1 7
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The main problem is that most of you didn’t pay enough into the system.
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18/02/2021 17:38:05 5 0
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Paid PLENTY others Spaffed it.
50
18/02/2021 17:32:04 4 3
bbc
I've NEVER had Cheshire cheese anywhere but on an English Cheese-board. I can't see they are big in Europe !!
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DDC
18/02/2021 17:45:18 1 1
bbc
The big picture is of job loses and investment related to the following "At the start of 2020 there were 5.94 million small businesses (with 0 to 49 employees), 99.3% of the total business. SMEs account for 99.9% of the business population (6.0 million businesses). SMEs account for three fifths of the employment and around half of turnover in the UK private sector."
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18/02/2021 17:29:13 7 8
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Once more, the takers don't know how lucky they are. You normally earn £3,000 a month, on furlough, you'll have been paid £2,400 a month .... Your tax contribution before furlough started was £392 a month. Over 6 mths of your tax to pay 1 month of your furlough pay .... Someone on £75,000, who's going to get £2,500 a month (the cap), will have been paying £1,358 tax a month before. BE GRATEFUL !
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18/02/2021 17:57:47 3 2
bbc
You do know that the furlough payment was taxed? . If you were at or below the cap your take home pay was 80% of normal . I was furloughed for 5 months lost £400 a month then got my jotters so no I'm not grateful.
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18/02/2021 18:01:24 4 7
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People furloughed in the service sector cannot work from home & I guarantee they are not getting anywhere near the £2,500 cap - about half I should imagine
Lay the blame at BoJo's door; him & his mate DC thought this was nothing & heard immunity was the way to go with the added bonus of reducing the social care bill for older & ill people
They should be charged & tried for causing death by neglect
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18/02/2021 20:17:53 2 1
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I should hope they do not get a third of that cap!
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18/02/2021 17:29:13 7 8
bbc
Once more, the takers don't know how lucky they are. You normally earn £3,000 a month, on furlough, you'll have been paid £2,400 a month .... Your tax contribution before furlough started was £392 a month. Over 6 mths of your tax to pay 1 month of your furlough pay .... Someone on £75,000, who's going to get £2,500 a month (the cap), will have been paying £1,358 tax a month before. BE GRATEFUL !
55
18/02/2021 18:03:35 2 0
bbc
if you were furloughed through no fault of yours & the Gov't gave you a reduced income paid for from taxes you have been paying for 40+ years, would you call yourself a taker?
most people can't wait to get back to work on a full wage & only hope their job will be there.
56
18/02/2021 18:05:35 4 4
bbc
Its time to reduce the retirement age (on a voluntary basis of course) to make way for younger people
It must be cheaper to give a decent state pension to older people with no mortgage than to a family with kids and a mortgage
76
18/02/2021 20:16:33 2 1
bbc
No. Retirement age will need raising as a cost cutting measure that harms no one. Keeping a wage a few years longer is more money than a pension.
57
18/02/2021 18:12:40 5 2
bbc
While I feel for those who must be frustrated at not being able to work there are so many including myself who have never been busier.

An odd 12 months. Hopefully never to be repeated.
58
18/02/2021 18:28:47 7 1
bbc
Once furlough ends there will be a torrent of redundancies, many middle management and supervisory roles, will be affected, companies have found they can operate without staff on furlough. Huge structural changes on the way a lot of pain for many unfortunately.
75
18/02/2021 20:14:53 2 3
bbc
In the longer term it is good for everyone that those wasted wages are not going onto the costs of customers in prices. It will be a long term benefit learnt from covid showing it up.
59
Tv
18/02/2021 18:30:44 12 4
bbc
Furlough needs to end soon, it is unsustainable. Harsh reality but if you haven't worked for 6+ months (some are closing in on 12months) then your job will not exist/be required in a post covid world
It’s started, the I’m alright bugger everyone else brigade are starting to show their ugly head.
Are you Thatchers love child.
Removed
99
19/02/2021 09:14:07 1 1
bbc
That of course depends what your job is..... Some work in successful business but due to current restrictions are not able to operate but will still be successful business once this is all over.
36
18/02/2021 17:01:02 10 6
bbc
Where did you "hear" that?

Can you give some actual examples instead of hearsay.
60
18/02/2021 18:41:24 2 3
bbc
Try reading further and you will understand better. Less than a month ago, the Governments own ministers have recommended that British companies move to the EU.
"Exporters advised by Department for International Trade officials to form EU-based companies to circumvent border issues"

https://www.reddit.com/r/brexit/comments/l4tz2t/exporters_advised_by_department_for_international/
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DDC
18/02/2021 19:09:36 1 2
bbc
I did read further and understand the possible impact on uk based company jobs being lost here and recreated in the EU to circumvent the export and import of goods related to border issues. Don't read the Guardian other Business/Economics websites carried the same story. The point I was making is that the present government is advising UK companies to loose UK jobs after taking back control.
61
18/02/2021 18:46:40 0 0
bbc
Come March my friend will have not worked for 12 months, and when he goes back he’s already been told he will be let go.
Absolutely crazy
74
18/02/2021 20:12:46 6 1
bbc
The crazy bit is him not being put straight onto benefits. So he could take up some other job. Furlough was excessive and grossly exploited.
11
18/02/2021 16:06:20 5 5
bbc
Imagine how worse it would be if there was no cap on number of kids for benefits pandemic or not
62
18/02/2021 18:53:21 1 1
bbc
Don’t teal Boris about the cap !
63
18/02/2021 18:52:13 0 0
bbc
teething troubles ?
64
18/02/2021 18:51:00 1 1
bbc
justice would be done to add the lady interviewer
on woman's s hour to the ranks of unemployed
69
18/02/2021 19:22:58 1 1
bbc
Plus did you see what her Dad run ???????? look it up on the internet - couldn't give a present never mind presenting
44
18/02/2021 17:20:43 5 5
bbc
And once it's time to go back to work how many will blame 'long Covid' as a reason not to?
65
18/02/2021 18:54:49 1 1
bbc
You getting your excuse in early ?
66
18/02/2021 19:03:38 1 1
bbc
The biggest challenge for the Chancellor is to create useful and productive jobs for all , especially the younger generation. As well as saving as many as possible.
84
18/02/2021 20:45:55 1 0
bbc
What’s a central banker got to do with getting a job? You get your own job never rely on anyone else. Enterprise and graft starts with yourself.
67
18/02/2021 19:04:06 5 6
bbc
This is small beer, just millennials whining as usual. Ten million didn't work for ten years in the 1980s under Margaret Thatcher. Nobody noticed at the time, as they were kept on all sorts of state benefits other than unemployment. The system became so complicated it discouraged people from working, and that's why Cameron brought in universal credit. Let's hope the Proctologist finishes the job.
60
18/02/2021 18:41:24 2 3
bbc
Try reading further and you will understand better. Less than a month ago, the Governments own ministers have recommended that British companies move to the EU.
"Exporters advised by Department for International Trade officials to form EU-based companies to circumvent border issues"

https://www.reddit.com/r/brexit/comments/l4tz2t/exporters_advised_by_department_for_international/
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DDC
18/02/2021 19:09:36 1 2
bbc
I did read further and understand the possible impact on uk based company jobs being lost here and recreated in the EU to circumvent the export and import of goods related to border issues. Don't read the Guardian other Business/Economics websites carried the same story. The point I was making is that the present government is advising UK companies to loose UK jobs after taking back control.
88
18/02/2021 22:02:02 1 0
bbc
My comments were to Mr BlueSky on their assertion that jobs departing these shores was hearsay. Facts prove that this Government have encouraged it. I don't preclude any sources from my reading.
64
18/02/2021 18:51:00 1 1
bbc
justice would be done to add the lady interviewer
on woman's s hour to the ranks of unemployed
69
18/02/2021 19:22:58 1 1
bbc
Plus did you see what her Dad run ???????? look it up on the internet - couldn't give a present never mind presenting
71
18/02/2021 19:37:20 0 1
bbc
might have something to do with the religion of the interviewer affecting
her conduct to the lady being interviewed
70
18/02/2021 19:35:49 0 0
bbc
are they sure it is only 6 months?
69
18/02/2021 19:22:58 1 1
bbc
Plus did you see what her Dad run ???????? look it up on the internet - couldn't give a present never mind presenting
71
18/02/2021 19:37:20 0 1
bbc
might have something to do with the religion of the interviewer affecting
her conduct to the lady being interviewed
59
Tv
18/02/2021 18:30:44 12 4
bbc
Furlough needs to end soon, it is unsustainable. Harsh reality but if you haven't worked for 6+ months (some are closing in on 12months) then your job will not exist/be required in a post covid world
It’s started, the I’m alright bugger everyone else brigade are starting to show their ugly head.
Are you Thatchers love child.
Removed
73
18/02/2021 20:10:02 2 2
bbc
Is that all? If it were true it would be barely noticeable. We used to have that sort of number permanently unemployed.

Same old bad non thinking tanks rent a quote for the bbc. All sitting pretty on very fat salaries.
85
18/02/2021 21:07:39 2 3
bbc
Two million permanently unemployed? When was that? That hasn't happened since the 1980s. And no it isn't all, you can safely double that number if the Government screws it up as per usual.
61
18/02/2021 18:46:40 0 0
bbc
Come March my friend will have not worked for 12 months, and when he goes back he’s already been told he will be let go.
Absolutely crazy
74
18/02/2021 20:12:46 6 1
bbc
The crazy bit is him not being put straight onto benefits. So he could take up some other job. Furlough was excessive and grossly exploited.
58
18/02/2021 18:28:47 7 1
bbc
Once furlough ends there will be a torrent of redundancies, many middle management and supervisory roles, will be affected, companies have found they can operate without staff on furlough. Huge structural changes on the way a lot of pain for many unfortunately.
75
18/02/2021 20:14:53 2 3
bbc
In the longer term it is good for everyone that those wasted wages are not going onto the costs of customers in prices. It will be a long term benefit learnt from covid showing it up.
56
18/02/2021 18:05:35 4 4
bbc
Its time to reduce the retirement age (on a voluntary basis of course) to make way for younger people
It must be cheaper to give a decent state pension to older people with no mortgage than to a family with kids and a mortgage
76
18/02/2021 20:16:33 2 1
bbc
No. Retirement age will need raising as a cost cutting measure that harms no one. Keeping a wage a few years longer is more money than a pension.
40
Em
18/02/2021 17:11:58 7 5
bbc
2 million have`t worked!!! Is Labour in power already?
77
18/02/2021 20:16:49 2 2
bbc
NO its the tories again...

competent... no not ar all.....
54
18/02/2021 18:01:24 4 7
bbc
People furloughed in the service sector cannot work from home & I guarantee they are not getting anywhere near the £2,500 cap - about half I should imagine
Lay the blame at BoJo's door; him & his mate DC thought this was nothing & heard immunity was the way to go with the added bonus of reducing the social care bill for older & ill people
They should be charged & tried for causing death by neglect
78
18/02/2021 20:17:53 2 1
bbc
I should hope they do not get a third of that cap!
48
18/02/2021 17:29:13 7 8
bbc
Once more, the takers don't know how lucky they are. You normally earn £3,000 a month, on furlough, you'll have been paid £2,400 a month .... Your tax contribution before furlough started was £392 a month. Over 6 mths of your tax to pay 1 month of your furlough pay .... Someone on £75,000, who's going to get £2,500 a month (the cap), will have been paying £1,358 tax a month before. BE GRATEFUL !
79
18/02/2021 20:19:47 1 2
bbc
If you got given so much money to start with perhaps you should have got nothing from furlough. It was and is grossly excessive. Half that is still too high.
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Ian
18/02/2021 17:30:28 0 4
bbc
The companies that have taken advantage of furlough should be required to pay it back not the employees.
80
18/02/2021 20:21:42 1 0
bbc
No those getting the money should, including companies where they got rates reductions holidays etc. Wages are down to the individuals to pay back. It is a good idea.
81
18/02/2021 20:26:30 8 2
bbc
+ 6 million on UC.
THE FRAGILE PRACARITY JOBS UK comes home to roost.
Over supply of Labour through mass migration meets 8 million without work or paid so low in work they qualify for Benefits.
Covid reveals Corporate control of Govt regulations and policies (Neo Liberalism). But will people now respond at the ballot box?
We and our children are being served lower living standards and insecurity.
82
18/02/2021 20:34:58 4 9
bbc
You wanted Brexit. ( a tiny Majority !!) Now you bear the responsibility of ruining this country. You guys should be held accountable. It’s all Doom and Gloom due to your voting. And then add the Covid into this mess.
83
18/02/2021 20:43:24 2 2
bbc
If only we had a government that were for the UK and not for themselves. Our political system is a self serving disgraceful corrupt never ending cesspit which needs cleansing from the top down. Through history, when power favours the few, it never relinquishes peacefully. We will get wise, we will unify and those who think they are untouchable will have their day. I believe this.
103
19/02/2021 09:43:35 0 0
bbc
yes but the opposition party is no better and leaves us in a bad place to teach them a lesson at the ballot box .. We need a new party that is more right wing than the Tories on some policy areas and more left wing than Labour on others.
£12 min wage
scrap HS2
UC becomes UBI (with no sanction) as that is what it is
Inflation stops being engineered to understate prices (1 metric)
Limit Immigration
66
18/02/2021 19:03:38 1 1
bbc
The biggest challenge for the Chancellor is to create useful and productive jobs for all , especially the younger generation. As well as saving as many as possible.
84
18/02/2021 20:45:55 1 0
bbc
What’s a central banker got to do with getting a job? You get your own job never rely on anyone else. Enterprise and graft starts with yourself.
73
18/02/2021 20:10:02 2 2
bbc
Is that all? If it were true it would be barely noticeable. We used to have that sort of number permanently unemployed.

Same old bad non thinking tanks rent a quote for the bbc. All sitting pretty on very fat salaries.
85
18/02/2021 21:07:39 2 3
bbc
Two million permanently unemployed? When was that? That hasn't happened since the 1980s. And no it isn't all, you can safely double that number if the Government screws it up as per usual.
86
18/02/2021 21:08:36 1 3
bbc
So, 2 million straight on to the dole queue when furlough ends. OK Rishi, do you feel lucky?
87
18/02/2021 21:56:10 3 0
bbc
Or flying planes, working at hotels, pubs, theme parks, cleaners, etc etc. Will be a minor addition to unemployment - uk will boom now due to double dip recession and lots of money... likely inflation will rise too... so be prepared for higher interest rates. Be positive.
86
18/02/2021 21:08:36 1 3
bbc
So, 2 million straight on to the dole queue when furlough ends. OK Rishi, do you feel lucky?
87
18/02/2021 21:56:10 3 0
bbc
Or flying planes, working at hotels, pubs, theme parks, cleaners, etc etc. Will be a minor addition to unemployment - uk will boom now due to double dip recession and lots of money... likely inflation will rise too... so be prepared for higher interest rates. Be positive.
91
18/02/2021 22:15:22 0 1
bbc
Very true...if you have the work. I (and I know I'm not alone) have done very little spending over the past year. However the wife lost her job just before the first lockdown. Since October has been living solely on her savings. No support whatsoever via Universal Credit and if you (or your partner) have any savings, they expect you to dwindle your savings before they pay out. UC? Worthless.
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DDC
18/02/2021 19:09:36 1 2
bbc
I did read further and understand the possible impact on uk based company jobs being lost here and recreated in the EU to circumvent the export and import of goods related to border issues. Don't read the Guardian other Business/Economics websites carried the same story. The point I was making is that the present government is advising UK companies to loose UK jobs after taking back control.
88
18/02/2021 22:02:02 1 0
bbc
My comments were to Mr BlueSky on their assertion that jobs departing these shores was hearsay. Facts prove that this Government have encouraged it. I don't preclude any sources from my reading.
89
18/02/2021 22:03:16 2 1
bbc
Crunch time for Rishi. He knows UC doesn't provide enough for people to survive, and that's before he is predicted to cut it by 20% in the budget. There's going to be a load of people in truely horrid circumstances over the next 18 months.
41
Em
18/02/2021 17:13:23 3 1
bbc
Including the Republic of Ireland who seem to be excempt! Has to stop.
90
18/02/2021 22:05:16 0 0
bbc
Yes, what is it with ROI citizens who seem to be able to come and go as they please and even vote in UK Parliamentary elections? Anyone would think that the events of 1916-1922 had never happened.
87
18/02/2021 21:56:10 3 0
bbc
Or flying planes, working at hotels, pubs, theme parks, cleaners, etc etc. Will be a minor addition to unemployment - uk will boom now due to double dip recession and lots of money... likely inflation will rise too... so be prepared for higher interest rates. Be positive.
91
18/02/2021 22:15:22 0 1
bbc
Very true...if you have the work. I (and I know I'm not alone) have done very little spending over the past year. However the wife lost her job just before the first lockdown. Since October has been living solely on her savings. No support whatsoever via Universal Credit and if you (or your partner) have any savings, they expect you to dwindle your savings before they pay out. UC? Worthless.
92
18/02/2021 22:38:39 1 2
bbc
I said it the moment the government announced it: they will find it very difficult to end the "furlough scheme".
93
18/02/2021 22:47:09 2 0
bbc
The unemployment rate is expected to rise to about 7-8%.
This is exactly the same rate as predicted across the EU.
The UK is still the 5th most powerful economy in the world.
It is predicted that by 2040 UK will overtake Germany.
Not bad for such a small,overpopulated country.
The employment situation is far lower than the 70/80's..no need to panic.
98
19/02/2021 08:54:33 0 0
bbc
Is anyone still making those predictions? Until we emerge from Covid what might happen in 20 years is guess work. What we do know is the UK is the worst affected economy in the G7.
122
MDW
19/02/2021 15:19:50 0 0
bbc
-- "The UK is still the 5th most powerful economy in the world." --

No, it isn't.

-- "It is predicted that by 2040 UK will overtake Germany." --

In what and by who?

The UK will be lucky if it's still listed in the top 10 economies at the end of this decade.
94
18/02/2021 23:05:15 2 2
bbc
I’d hazard a guess at least 50% of them are skiving “professionals” who have had all their Xmas’s rolled into one.
2
18/02/2021 15:46:29 24 6
bbc
People had no choice here to be made unemployed or furloughed.

But the I'm Alright Jack brigade will still complain.

Signed, Someone who is in full employment with 100% pay (one of the lucky ones, for sure).
Must get bored of looking at the same brown boxes wizzing past on the conveyor all day though ? Removed
96
19/02/2021 07:30:54 0 1
bbc
hospitality could have done click and collect from a safe door/window.
they could have organised home deliveries. we seem to have lost the business spirit
in the UK, everything must be done and paid for by the state.
we would never have built the canals, railways and infrastructure projects with todays
attitudes
97
Vic
19/02/2021 08:32:49 0 1
bbc
We saved the NHS but financially broke the country. The legacy will be decades of missed opportunity, lower spending on health and education. Where will be the graph and data of poverty, poor health and lower life expectancy? The dealing of this pandemic is an example of why we need a smaller state, not the opposite. Government has its limitations, it is for individuals to make choices.
100
19/02/2021 09:26:15 1 0
bbc
the Covid handling was all about CON Tories not being seen to be killing people .. thats all-they did anything to stop blame / responsibility being attached to them..

Sweden did very little restricting and Dictatorship style lies and fines ... and had fewer deaths per million!

The Con Tory Neo liberals are awful .. greedy developers and planet destroyers... and still we have nobody to vote for.
93
18/02/2021 22:47:09 2 0
bbc
The unemployment rate is expected to rise to about 7-8%.
This is exactly the same rate as predicted across the EU.
The UK is still the 5th most powerful economy in the world.
It is predicted that by 2040 UK will overtake Germany.
Not bad for such a small,overpopulated country.
The employment situation is far lower than the 70/80's..no need to panic.
98
19/02/2021 08:54:33 0 0
bbc
Is anyone still making those predictions? Until we emerge from Covid what might happen in 20 years is guess work. What we do know is the UK is the worst affected economy in the G7.
59
Tv
18/02/2021 18:30:44 12 4
bbc
Furlough needs to end soon, it is unsustainable. Harsh reality but if you haven't worked for 6+ months (some are closing in on 12months) then your job will not exist/be required in a post covid world
99
19/02/2021 09:14:07 1 1
bbc
That of course depends what your job is..... Some work in successful business but due to current restrictions are not able to operate but will still be successful business once this is all over.
120
19/02/2021 15:12:33 0 1
bbc
His is just a sweeping statement of the obvious and shows his uncaring, I'm alright Jack attitude. If he had anything about him, he would suggest ways the UK can employ them quickly.
97
Vic
19/02/2021 08:32:49 0 1
bbc
We saved the NHS but financially broke the country. The legacy will be decades of missed opportunity, lower spending on health and education. Where will be the graph and data of poverty, poor health and lower life expectancy? The dealing of this pandemic is an example of why we need a smaller state, not the opposite. Government has its limitations, it is for individuals to make choices.
100
19/02/2021 09:26:15 1 0
bbc
the Covid handling was all about CON Tories not being seen to be killing people .. thats all-they did anything to stop blame / responsibility being attached to them..

Sweden did very little restricting and Dictatorship style lies and fines ... and had fewer deaths per million!

The Con Tory Neo liberals are awful .. greedy developers and planet destroyers... and still we have nobody to vote for.