Sir Keir Starmer: Savings scheme would boost UK's recovery post-Covid
18/02/2021 | news | politics | 6,966
The Labour leader says there can be "no return to business as usual" as he sets out post-Covid policies.
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18/02/2021 10:51:06 39 38
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Starmer would be out of his depth in a puddle.
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18/02/2021 10:57:05 27 39
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Tory bots are running scared a usual. A sensible leader would be a refreshing change from the current duplicitous clown.
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18/02/2021 10:58:24 12 5
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I think you have been taken in by the toxic propaganda in the gutter press too much.
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18/02/2021 10:58:17 10 3
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He seems a decent bloke, but he hasn't got any policies and his front bench is useless.
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18/02/2021 10:51:42 15 28
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Perhaps Starmer can actually do some opposition stuff and oppose these now highly damaging restrictions which are now doing more harm than good.
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18/02/2021 11:04:58 18 2
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Although I would like him to adopt a position, any position, fence sitting is the go to option for any opposition party. Or calling for every different option at various times so that you can claim to have been right later no matter what happens!

Whilst many do feel the public are stupid, the vast majority are aware of political posturing and it does nothing to get their vote at election time
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18/02/2021 11:06:51 4 2
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Starmer opposes something "oh god why doesn't he support our country, can't he offer anything constructive"

Starmer doesn't oppose something "tarmer can actually do some opposition stuff"

The man can't win with some of you lot
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18/02/2021 10:58:52 3 1
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Daily Mail readers would love that! But it isn't sensible.
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18/02/2021 10:51:52 7 8
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this should be amusing
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18/02/2021 11:00:20 12 2
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Not half as amusing as it would have been if they had opened up the article on the unelected Lord Frost joining the Cabinet to an HYS. The double standards and contradictions from the “champions of democracy” would have been a sight to behold.
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While aligned towards Labour, I know they must do better and thus accept and give constructive scrutiny of them, because this is important for making whoever we support better in the long run.

Unfortunately, tribalism across politics has given us incompetent politicians who don’t learn mistakes, but must deny them to “look better”. This culture must change in the national interest.
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18/02/2021 11:05:43 449 622
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Do you not think Starmer has done this already? The man was the face of the vote remain campaign and was one of the first once Brexit finally happened to say we should move on. He knows not to focus on Brexit as it was part of what caused the poor result last time around (plus Corbyn) and has learnt from that mistake. Admittedly i wish he focused more on the governments incompetence on brexit.
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18/02/2021 10:57:28 139 94
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We need an effective opposition. But not a yah boo one. Labour still has no policies, you can;t vote for a party with no policies.
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18/02/2021 12:03:13 23 6
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You're right - but fat chance in 2021 Britain.
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18/02/2021 12:11:03 11 15
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What are you actually saying
18/02/2021 12:51:57 8 5
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The problem is the country is split along generational lines, and the old Red'n'Blue is irrelevant. Maggie did her job well, even if it was not in the interests of the current younger generation
18/02/2021 13:11:57 6 2
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Sadly the tribal Red or Blue thing is still with us even though it has been irrelevant for decades. We need capitalism but we don't need global mega corps killing small business (the biggest employers in the country) and paying next to no tax. Our politicians couldn't hold down a job in a sweet shop. Instead of bailing out big corp how about just cancelling income tax for a year?
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18/02/2021 10:55:22 16 20
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The most astounding aspect of the COVID pandemic is that the government has claimed for years there is no "magic money tree".

But it seems they have had one all along.
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18/02/2021 11:04:25 15 4
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No - they've just stuck it all on the credit card. No magic money tree, just vast debts for the workers, their children and as yet unborn generations to pay back
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18/02/2021 11:00:11 11 1
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The pandemic is hopefully a once in a lifetime situation, akin to a war on the doorstep etc. It is acceptable to borrow for necessities during such times. It is not acceptable to create huge debts for luxuries during normal economic times.
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18/02/2021 11:10:40 12 0
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There is a difference between using a 'magic money tree' for surviving an unpreventable random pandemic as opposed to deliberately using one to rack up debt on larger unsustainable state spending with no plan as to how to clear it in the future. One is responsible out of necessity the other is irresponsible.
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18/02/2021 10:56:08 15 18
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Oh dear captain hindsight! The republican with a knighthood, now wrapped in the union flag. If these are his best ideas he has no chance of winning power in 2024, while pretending to be a patriot and keeping silent on his Brexit embarrassment. Starmer is a lame leader. Rishi Sunak is running rings around him. Choosing a moment for his speech during a most successful vaccine roll-out is misguided.
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18/02/2021 10:57:01 14 11
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Starmer is right. We will increasingly need a government that acts in the best interests of the population and not just a small subset of the population.
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18/02/2021 11:03:00 4 2
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Give the losers the benefits , sorry mate we already have.
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18/02/2021 11:01:36 7 1
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It won't be a Labour government then! That would only be only interested in minority groups, not the majority.
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18/02/2021 11:14:32 3 0
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I know you don't believe it but the government (all governments) do act in the best interests of the population as a whole because no government gets elected by a small subset. Even in Labour governments there will be a small subset that benefit more than others, it is impossible for that not to happen, law of averages
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18/02/2021 10:57:03 14 17
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‘We will not politicise the pandemic’ . Another broken pledge by Sir Kier Hindsight as he tries to improve his rock bottom rating. Poor judgement considering the situation.
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18/02/2021 11:03:41 6 4
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It has to be because the unchecked gov have done so poorly!
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18/02/2021 10:51:06 39 38
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Starmer would be out of his depth in a puddle.
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18/02/2021 10:57:05 27 39
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Tory bots are running scared a usual. A sensible leader would be a refreshing change from the current duplicitous clown.
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18/02/2021 11:01:43 4 3
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And when one appears we'll no doubt vote for them...

Until then we've got this mob of fools to contend with...
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18/02/2021 11:08:44 2 2
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The same thing was said about Miliband and then Corbyn.
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18/02/2021 11:00:35 6 3
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"A sensible leader"

better get rid of Starmer then... Comrade.
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18/02/2021 11:02:32 12 4
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Why do lefties think that anyone who disagrees with them is a bot? It is simply that far more people vote Conservative, because the UK is a conservative nation.
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18/02/2021 11:22:32 3 4
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Running scared? You must be joking. Starmer is a one trick pony and has no ideas whatsoever of catching Boris at the next election. By then probably the back stabber Andy Burnham will be in his place as Leader of the Labour party.
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18/02/2021 10:57:10 341 65
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As a floating voter i'm struggling to understand where he sits with his politics. I've yet to hear anything of substance.
Maybe today is his day..
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18/02/2021 11:03:06 321 517
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If you read the Pro-Tory gutter press you won't see anything as they won't print it. They will only print nonsense and propaganda.
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18/02/2021 11:00:38 37 8
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This. How can anyone vote for a party with no policies?
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18/02/2021 12:03:48 14 9
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He kneels, I've seen that, can't say I've seen him sitting that often.
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18/02/2021 12:04:41 6 35
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he's a wet flannel. Bring back Jeremy, at least the party would have principles.
Removed
18/02/2021 13:09:16 0 1
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A Politician and substance???? That's a new dream!
18/02/2021 13:23:07 1 3
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What substance do you get from Johnson. Soundbites.
18/02/2021 13:50:16 1 1
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He doesn't he is just trying to cover the bases with everything.
He just ignores the real issues with Labour the "party" doesn't represent its voters either daft Left or just Phony Tony Tories.

So far we have had
Keep Benefits for those that don't need them
More sudsidies
Less Council tax
Let Students home
Cheap Money

The reality is they all have us here through bribery and lying to the people
18/02/2021 13:57:58 2 1
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He stands for one thing .. doing whatever it takes so he can become PM... but there will never be any details other than stating what we already know ..
18/02/2021 14:44:11 4 0
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Cheese on Toast
Pud
18/02/2021 15:17:18 1 0
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Where Starmer sits? Usually on the fence.
18/02/2021 15:42:10 1 0
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It wasn't and it won't be.
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18/02/2021 10:57:39 11 9
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Give local councils "the funding they need"

Hilarious. Even "bankrupt" councils find funds for a nice juicy public sector pay off. Cut some of ludicrous waste first.

https://insidecroydon.com/2020/09/28/council-in-attempt-to-cover-up-440000-pay-off-to-negrini/
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18/02/2021 11:28:16 1 2
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and some of them fancy themselves as investment managers too, numerous back copies of Private Eye are full of stories about how inept many Councils are - and PE gives every party, in this instance, a kicking before anyone leaps in screeching bias
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18/02/2021 10:51:06 39 38
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Starmer would be out of his depth in a puddle.
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18/02/2021 10:58:24 12 5
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I think you have been taken in by the toxic propaganda in the gutter press too much.
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18/02/2021 11:10:42 1 5
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I think you are projecting.
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18/02/2021 10:58:30 9 7
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Well he would say that wouldn't he, Covid or no Covid
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18/02/2021 11:02:13 12 6
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Well, he SHOULD say that, Covid or no Covid.

It seems that the soci-economic inequalities that existed have been amplified by Covid, and there is a new cohort of people suddenly in need ot support - and finding the state aid is not what they had assumed, or been told, it was.

Covid is a catalyst for social change. Just as wars were in the past.

Let's hope it's debated on the facts not rhetoric
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18/02/2021 10:58:38 192 42
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There are plenty of folk with good ideas on how the Gov. can usefully spend more money, but there seems to be a complete absence of ideas on how this money is going to be raised.

We were already living beyond our means even before the pandemic: hence the need for years of austerity. Now that the Gov. is giving away money right, left and centre, we're heading for many painful years of austerity++.
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18/02/2021 12:48:35 109 200
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The ‘living beyond our means’ is a complete fallacy. This isn’t a household with a budget, it’s a sovereign nation that can create wealth. Austerity is a political choice.

The economic illiteracy in this country is truly amazing
18/02/2021 13:38:05 13 17
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To go with ten years of austerity that made many people poorer and what did it achieve
18/02/2021 14:06:24 17 17
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And don't forget that Brexit adds onto this. This country is heading for some dark times indeed and it is entirely the fault of those that refuse to inform themselves before going to the ballot box.
18/02/2021 14:35:56 2 6
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Most of the world is, and Covid is the perfect excuse to try and rescue the Central ankers and Economists from the consequences of their stupidity & can kicking of 2007 & blame it on Covid. Though the economic disaster that lock-down is going to unleash (ironically on the parts of the world where covid didn't take a massive toll) will justify whatever the Davos crowd have up their sleeve.
18/02/2021 14:36:51 14 0
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It seems that most of the government debt is being bought by the Bank of England. Once life gets back to something like normal that will have to stop but the idea that this "has to be paid back" is quite wrong. Also, the idea that governments can just print as much money as they require to fund expenditure in normal times is equally wrong; they can print money but they cannot print resources.
Pip
18/02/2021 15:03:07 1 0
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And they'll blame that on Labour no doubt..........?
18/02/2021 16:02:01 0 0
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And your solution is to turn the screw another turn?
18/02/2021 17:07:30 5 3
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How about more tax for these footballers on £300k per week? I'm sure Saint Rashford wouldn't mind paying more!
18/02/2021 17:07:47 0 0
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.gov borrows from itself (BofE) and BofE charges itself (.gov) interest. therefore .gov will borrow (create) more and more wealth by getting BofE to print more money. dont worry the powers that be wont be relinquishing power anytime soon. uk public sector debt has increased fourfold in 12 years. so i guesstimate by end of this decade uk public sector debt to be close to 10trillion pounds
18/02/2021 17:38:55 3 2
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The need for austerity was caused by the reckless bankers in 2008, let's not forget that. The government should make more use of 80% state-owned RBS and use them to dole out small business loans. Interesting that both the banking crisis and Grenfell were caused by lax regulations poorly enforced. Compare that to the Whaley Bridge dam emergency when robust regulation and monitoring saved lives.
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18/02/2021 18:25:55 1 0
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Show me country whose economy is based on a 'profit'???
SJ
19/02/2021 00:42:32 0 1
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Easy. Carbon tax.
19/02/2021 07:28:18 1 1
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Read and understand Keynes. Spending beyond your means in your own economy creates growth. Spending on imports shrinks an economy. We must all, including gvmt, buy British products to grow our economy. Buy a Sunderland Nissan not a Bavarian BMW, buy a Coventry Jag not a Stuttgart Merc, buy an English beer, wine, cheese (they are all better)
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18/02/2021 10:58:44 24 7
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So Keir are you going to go as far as - Universal basic income?
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18/02/2021 10:59:46 938 51
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It is a wake up call. If you want world leading Health and Social Care. You are going to have to pay for it.

Let's have honesty from politicians. If this is what they are promising. Tell us how much extra ALL of us will have to pay in tax rises. People would respect them more. The wealthy alone cannot pay for it (Labour). Nor can "efficiency savings" (Conservatives). Be honest.
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18/02/2021 11:25:22 473 18
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Honesty, from politicians? It'd be a pleasant change, but I don't hold out much hope. It's almost as if as soon as a person is elected to any position of power, they forget how to tell the truth.
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18/02/2021 11:26:20 20 4
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honesty and politicians - any oxymoron
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18/02/2021 11:53:53 50 7
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I would like to see a cross party committee (with teeth!) examine how we can make the NHS more efficient, with less wastage. And take opinions from members of the public regarding controversial topics, such as whether IVF should be something the NHS pays for. And tackle the postcode lottery that has seen 60 year olds in my area vaccinated, whilst 80 year olds were still waiting elsewhere.
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18/02/2021 11:54:25 54 2
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I agree. We live in a country that wants the best but we are unwilling to pay for it. People go on, for example, how good some EU countries NHS is. But they fail to acknowledge that most average tax regimes in these countries is double ours or very close to it. That's not the higher earners, that's what most pay.
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18/02/2021 11:56:01 31 6
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I think we need a more technocratic government. All politicians are a front to the real work behind the scenes by the civil servants. The civil servants are told what to do by politicians. It is a mess.

We need to keep the civil service and replace politicians with technocrats who know what they are doing.

It has been a fantastic breath of fresh air to hear the scientists present the issues.
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18/02/2021 12:00:05 33 15
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Honesty usually came in the form of Lib Dems and look where it has got them.

Most people want the benefits of spending but do not want to be the person paying for it.
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18/02/2021 12:00:35 16 7
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Lib dems tried this, and look where it got them.
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18/02/2021 12:02:57 53 27
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The NHS employs 1.4 million, claims to need another 100K and so would be the 4th largest employer on the planet - maybe one needs to ask a) What are they all doing b)How much are they paid for whatever they are doing c) why does a nurse need a degree? We had better outcomes when nurses were trained on the job (and better experiences as 2 matrons I know will attest)
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18/02/2021 12:12:21 16 24
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Don’t speak too soon. Tory Integrated Care System may not be what is claimed. NHS and Social Care need major change but Boris and chums may have alternative plan to be sold to public like they sold you Brexit.
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18/02/2021 12:13:18 19 11
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The wealthy, based on wealth, pay around 1% tax, whereas the rest of us pay around 20-60% on ours, so I strongly dispute that the wealthy are paying anything like their fair share, especially when you take into account that it is the masses who produce nearly all of societies' wealth.

What's wrong with the rich paying 20% tax on their (our) wealth when we pay more? Why is that extreme, or unfair?
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18/02/2021 12:17:32 4 9
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Honestly from a politician that's a laugh it not even in they dictionary. Left ,right or whatever. And given the Labour party record when it comes to economics when in office I not going to save any of my money under any Labour or Tory government scheme. Only a fool would
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18/02/2021 12:18:50 10 8
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Anyone in their right mind would never let a Labour government anywhere near the NHS after the wrecking ball that was PFI was let loose last time. The NHS and Social Care will remain crippled for generations as a result. We must not forget.
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18/02/2021 12:20:11 5 24
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Why should I pay for the healthcare of people who eat too much, eat the wrong food & never exercise ?

COVID19 has hit the UK & US particularly hard because of obesity & lack of exercise.
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18/02/2021 12:25:26 16 7
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The problem is the British public want someone else to pay for it. The LibDems 2019 manifesto suggested 1p increase in income tax to raise funds for NHS . We didn't vote for it we voted for borrow it (Labour) or grow the economy to generate it (Conservative).
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18/02/2021 12:27:19 12 12
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How much more money does this inefficient NHS machine need, the waste is phenomenal
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18/02/2021 12:31:11 2 1
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More than enough money in the economy to pay for it.
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18/02/2021 12:44:36 9 2
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I'll happily pay 2% more in NI contributions, IF the failed concept of NHS trusts is abandoned & IF swathes of overpaid, bloated management are removed.
Management should be there to balance the budget & ensure the needs of clinicians & patients are met, NOT to make & set policy when many managers know nothing of front line medicine.

£270 to replace a door handle thanks to "Trusts"...
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18/02/2021 12:45:58 8 2
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Actually statistically the NHS has performed no better than the average performance of other health services across Europe (blasphemy to say such things I know)
18/02/2021 12:54:16 5 5
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Who are the 'Wealthy' and why can they not pay more towards the NHS?
Consevative dogma is no solution.
18/02/2021 12:56:45 1 3
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We live in an ageing population, where people are receiving more than they've put in. And its the young who have to pay for it, those who will be retiring much later in order to do so.
18/02/2021 13:06:57 1 1
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The problem is that it would be a lot of money, as health care requires an almost unlimited budget, especially when some treatments can cost hundreds of thousands of pounds. The people who are likely to require treatments will be happy to pay more, whereas a lot of people who never use the NHS won’t. I for example hardly used the NHS for years when I was younger
18/02/2021 13:41:10 2 0
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The same applies to all public services. Everyone wants more provided someone else pays for it. And politicians know very few people would vote for tax rises that impact them - despite what they tell opinion polls.
18/02/2021 14:07:58 1 2
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Or have a grown up debate on the future of the NHS. The current behemoth is not sustainable and tinkering from either end of the debate just kicks the problem down the years.
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18/02/2021 10:59:51 10 11
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Meanwhile in Labour governed Wales my Labour Council has already raised next years council tax by 4%.

Starmer might wish in a political vacuum but Labour councils already adding to peoples costs. They are not listening to him.
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18/02/2021 11:23:49 4 0
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And my Tory/Independent coalition Powys council raised it 9.5% last year, announced before any Covid pandemic crisis. Councils of all partys across Britain have been starved of funds for decades.
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18/02/2021 12:09:41 0 1
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7% in mine only ever goes up with Labour and we never get any extra services
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18/02/2021 11:00:01 10 18
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After billions given out by Tories to their mates in lucrative contracts and to prop up the employment market based on 'data' which has never been issued (10pm? closing business?). That and the way the country as turned into a police state I say it's proof of the OPPOSITE is needed...

We need LESS state interference

Still, this IS a socialist who wants no-one to work and everyone to pay for it
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18/02/2021 11:00:18 24 18
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We are already going to be paying for the last 12 months for years - the last thing we need is even bigger government invading every aspect of our lives and being saddled with ever greater borrowing levels

Tax cuts and an entrepreneurial spirit will get us back in our feet much quicker
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18/02/2021 11:10:04 12 8
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Really? A bit like the last decade of austerity I suppose where the UK slashed corporation tax down to 19%. Germany maintained theirs and still improved their economy compared to us.
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18/02/2021 11:04:57 3 1
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So what will you be doing to facilitate this?
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18/02/2021 10:51:52 7 8
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this should be amusing
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18/02/2021 11:00:20 12 2
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Not half as amusing as it would have been if they had opened up the article on the unelected Lord Frost joining the Cabinet to an HYS. The double standards and contradictions from the “champions of democracy” would have been a sight to behold.
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18/02/2021 11:10:40 3 2
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On whose Cabinet did Lord Mandelsohn, Lord 'covid, gift that keep giving' Falconer and Lord Adonis sit?

Tony Blair, Labour. Seems beat tories to it.
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18/02/2021 11:32:28 2 1
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you clearly have no grasp of history, political or otherwise, check out some of Tony B's appointments, and either retract or reflect on the rubbish you write
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18/02/2021 11:01:13 15 21
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Tories are more interested in pleasing their own supporters than doing what is best for the Country, they can afford to ignore the rest of us as they only need ~40% of people who bother to vote to get a big majority. We urgently need electoral reform and some form of PR.
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18/02/2021 11:07:52 13 5
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Actually it is Labour that ignores the majority of us for the benefit of minority groups.
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18/02/2021 11:21:30 2 1
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....and of course Labour don't want to please their own.....neither party will ever change FPTP, it is just to advantageous, you just have to wait to win one in Labour's case - but the current reality of that happening is minimal. Wise up, all the parties don't give a damn but once every five years, after all if you lose your seat it is off to consultancy/advisor jobs - on both sides
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18/02/2021 10:57:05 27 39
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Tory bots are running scared a usual. A sensible leader would be a refreshing change from the current duplicitous clown.
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18/02/2021 11:01:43 4 3
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And when one appears we'll no doubt vote for them...

Until then we've got this mob of fools to contend with...
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18/02/2021 11:01:47 8 11
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Sadly, SKS is a walking soundbite, devoid of substance, a coherent plan - and stuck in the politics of protest.

Spend more money seems the answer to everything. He seems to have no plan on how this can be re-paid, but I expect it will be some vague "Robin Hood" scenario that is harder to pin down than platting sawdust.

Good opposition is needed, but he just can't be relevant or credible atm.
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18/02/2021 11:05:00 12 9
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Well done! Indoctrination score: 100%, reality score: 0%. Boris Johnson would be proud of you.
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18/02/2021 11:06:29 2 0
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Government by sound bite? Isn’t that what we’ve had since 2015!
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18/02/2021 11:04:33 1 1
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Yet he is more credible than the current Government., Mind you, Mickey Mouse would be more credible than Bozo and Co.
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18/02/2021 10:58:30 9 7
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Well he would say that wouldn't he, Covid or no Covid
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18/02/2021 11:02:13 12 6
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Well, he SHOULD say that, Covid or no Covid.

It seems that the soci-economic inequalities that existed have been amplified by Covid, and there is a new cohort of people suddenly in need ot support - and finding the state aid is not what they had assumed, or been told, it was.

Covid is a catalyst for social change. Just as wars were in the past.

Let's hope it's debated on the facts not rhetoric
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18/02/2021 11:02:17 2 14
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Unless Conservative party do something amazing over the next 2 to 3 years labour should have a landslide, but need Starmer to say If given the opportunity I would do! Too much erring and pondering
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18/02/2021 11:04:03 3 4
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Nope...it will all be forgotten if herd immunity is reached.
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18/02/2021 11:32:50 1 1
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Check the current polls, they tell a completely different story.

Even in the midst of the pandemic the Tories lead Labour and Boris leads Starmer.

It is Labour that need to come up with something, and more state intervention and spending isn't it.
18/02/2021 14:33:37 0 1
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somehow I don't think so... there are lots of people who think that Boris has done a decent job under very trying circumstances. He's had more troubles to deal with than any PM since Churchill. He's made mistakes as any Mr Hindsight could tell you but at the time his decisions seemed as likely to succeed as any other and it's funny how what he should have done is always espoused long afterwards.
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18/02/2021 10:57:01 14 11
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Starmer is right. We will increasingly need a government that acts in the best interests of the population and not just a small subset of the population.
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18/02/2021 11:03:00 4 2
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Give the losers the benefits , sorry mate we already have.
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mal
18/02/2021 10:57:10 341 65
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As a floating voter i'm struggling to understand where he sits with his politics. I've yet to hear anything of substance.
Maybe today is his day..
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18/02/2021 11:03:06 321 517
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If you read the Pro-Tory gutter press you won't see anything as they won't print it. They will only print nonsense and propaganda.
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18/02/2021 11:04:35 64 12
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You won't see any Labour policies in the Guardian either. Because there aren't any!
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18/02/2021 12:04:15 22 9
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ROFL ever tried reading the Guardian?
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18/02/2021 12:05:05 28 7
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As opposed to the Guardian/Independent/Observer (if they even still exist!).
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18/02/2021 12:12:47 42 4
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And if you read the Anti-Tory gutter press (or anti-Government TV channels) you will also see similar nonsense and propaganda. You buy a newspaper to read what you want to read when it comes to politics.
600
18/02/2021 12:22:02 32 3
bbc
Where as the pro Labour gutter press you won't see anything positive when it comes to the Tory party. In other words when it comes to the papers none of them gives us a honest answer no matter who owns the paper
641
BD
18/02/2021 12:25:12 20 1
bbc
I assume you have confirmation that mal reads only the 'Pro-Tory gutter press'.
I read across the spectrum (with a lot of laughs and cynicism), and just wondering whether, from your comment, you read another wing 'press' and believe what they say, without thought or rationalisation. Both extremes are just as bad ...
797
18/02/2021 12:36:22 2 5
bbc
Also remember that all the Tory supporting newspapers are owned by tax avoiders who make money in this country but don't want to contribute to the wider society - and all the anti Tory papers are happy to pay their fair share of revenue to provide a decent society for us all.
853
18/02/2021 12:40:24 3 0
bbc
I get all my facts from the Guardian. Im really intelligent.
941
18/02/2021 12:46:50 4 2
bbc
Presume your preference is for the pro-Labour gutter press then? You are obviously happy to believe THEIR propaganda.
990
18/02/2021 12:50:15 3 0
bbc
and the contrary is not true?
18/02/2021 13:03:13 3 2
bbc
if you want to read nonsense with a middle class slant buy the Guardian.
18/02/2021 13:09:18 1 2
bbc
listened to starmer and the right wing press can print it all as it was all nonsense. Starmer is even worse than Kinnock!
18/02/2021 13:09:43 1 1
bbc
JUST like the Labour Press eh???
mal
18/02/2021 13:15:04 0 0
bbc
I wouldn't know.
18/02/2021 13:24:37 1 2
bbc
Look at your downs. You tell the truth and that's what you get. No wonder the UK is going downhill fast. Great will never apply again.
18/02/2021 14:32:06 1 0
bbc
Much like the Guardian then.
RSO
18/02/2021 15:00:23 1 0
bbc
Just like the Pro Labour gutter press. Maguire and his ilk
18/02/2021 15:50:37 4 0
bbc
Whereas the Labour gutter press print nonsense and propaganda supporting Starmer and Labour party. Your comment has to be one the more ridiculous ones today since it makes no valid or intelligent argument whatsoever
18/02/2021 15:56:26 3 0
bbc
Just like the 'Left wing Pro Labour BBC'.
8
18/02/2021 10:57:03 14 17
bbc
‘We will not politicise the pandemic’ . Another broken pledge by Sir Kier Hindsight as he tries to improve his rock bottom rating. Poor judgement considering the situation.
28
18/02/2021 11:03:41 6 4
bbc
It has to be because the unchecked gov have done so poorly!
25
18/02/2021 11:02:17 2 14
bbc
Unless Conservative party do something amazing over the next 2 to 3 years labour should have a landslide, but need Starmer to say If given the opportunity I would do! Too much erring and pondering
29
18/02/2021 11:04:03 3 4
bbc
Nope...it will all be forgotten if herd immunity is reached.
35
18/02/2021 11:06:15 2 4
bbc
If you lost a loved one, or your business tanked, I don't think it will....
18/02/2021 13:40:06 1 0
bbc
It's a pity we can't reach herd immunity from the Tories' BS
5
MVP
18/02/2021 10:55:22 16 20
bbc
The most astounding aspect of the COVID pandemic is that the government has claimed for years there is no "magic money tree".

But it seems they have had one all along.
30
18/02/2021 11:04:25 15 4
bbc
No - they've just stuck it all on the credit card. No magic money tree, just vast debts for the workers, their children and as yet unborn generations to pay back
2
18/02/2021 10:51:42 15 28
bbc
Perhaps Starmer can actually do some opposition stuff and oppose these now highly damaging restrictions which are now doing more harm than good.
31
18/02/2021 11:04:58 18 2
bbc
Although I would like him to adopt a position, any position, fence sitting is the go to option for any opposition party. Or calling for every different option at various times so that you can claim to have been right later no matter what happens!

Whilst many do feel the public are stupid, the vast majority are aware of political posturing and it does nothing to get their vote at election time
23
18/02/2021 11:01:47 8 11
bbc
Sadly, SKS is a walking soundbite, devoid of substance, a coherent plan - and stuck in the politics of protest.

Spend more money seems the answer to everything. He seems to have no plan on how this can be re-paid, but I expect it will be some vague "Robin Hood" scenario that is harder to pin down than platting sawdust.

Good opposition is needed, but he just can't be relevant or credible atm.
32
18/02/2021 11:05:00 12 9
bbc
Well done! Indoctrination score: 100%, reality score: 0%. Boris Johnson would be proud of you.
48
18/02/2021 11:09:18 1 2
bbc
He wouldn't, as I think he is a buffoon - and represents the plethora of poor, second rate politicians we are inflicted with currently, regardless of party politics.

Sorry your one dimensional characterisation fell flat there.

No doubt you assume Sir Keir is the answer - if so, I worry what the question is.
33
18/02/2021 10:52:26 676 256
bbc
""To invest wisely and not to spend money we can't afford. Those are my guiding principles."

Whatever you think about current economic policy, this is 'rich' coming from the Labour Party.
252
18/02/2021 11:51:34 479 292
bbc
That is a funny comment.

If Labour want fiscal prudence, then they are wrong.

If the Conservatives spend lots of money they are right. (HS2, track and trace, PPE etc.)

It just shows how brainwashed people are - anything to do with money and the Tories is ok, but when it comes to labour then there is an issue despite the Tories being worse.
256
18/02/2021 11:51:48 53 39
bbc
This really annoys me, labour have run the country when in power better than Tories and their track record is superior, yet people continue to spout crap like this. The worst government by far financially was Maggie massive gap then Cameron.
326
18/02/2021 11:59:44 65 11
bbc
Which government has given out hundreds of millions in dodgy contracts to their pals? 2.5 million to a one man rare diamond dealer to procure PPE, a contract for shipping to a company without even one boat? Which party is incompetent?
358
18/02/2021 12:02:55 52 17
bbc
10 years of austerity and the national debt went up under the tories.
495
18/02/2021 12:14:01 47 14
bbc
Love it when Tory bootlickers stick up for their masters' economic record. Comedy gold.
642
18/02/2021 12:25:16 13 3
bbc
Labour in 1997 inherited a debt of 42% of GDP. Before the global banking crises in 2008, the debt had fallen to 35%. Labour inherited a deficit of 3.9% of GDP & by 2008 it had fallen to 2.1%. ONS

“Pre -crisis, UK government spending was at around 40% of national income. This level was not particularly high, either by the UK’s own historical standards or by international standards.” IFS
692
18/02/2021 12:28:38 12 3
bbc
Of course, what we also need to add is that the Tories added more than a TRILLION to the national debt, nearly all of which went to the rich boosting their assets by £100s of £1000s some by £ millions>

These are facts that the Tories and their media (including the BBC) never, ever talk about.
707
18/02/2021 12:29:27 14 3
bbc
I suggest you look at some facts. Government borrowing has almost always gone up far more under Conservative governments than Labour
791
18/02/2021 12:35:53 7 2
bbc
Actually this conservative party is THE TAX PARTY right now, and have been for the last 10 years. We are one of the mostly heavily taxed country overall in Europe, running very close to Scandinavian countries (but without the benefit of free social services and child care etc) and much of the world, our current tax levels are at an all time high! That is the record before the paying for Covid!
932
18/02/2021 12:46:04 10 1
bbc
Yet the Tories have borrowed more in the last 10 years than ALL Labour governments combined ?????. People need to stop with this brain washed rubbish and look at the data for themselves.
18/02/2021 13:18:44 6 1
bbc
Don't tar everyone with same brush. You think the tories have been good with the economy.The country was heading for recession just before the pandemic and what did ten years of austerity do for the national debt. Remember the dates 2015, 2019,2025 all put forward when it would slashed. Not achieved. More lies. You have a nerve.
Exactly the words used by Brown the Clown before he bankrupted the country and beamed at the financial crisis as he hid his bungling behind it.
4
18/02/2021 10:54:06 1015 46
bbc
While aligned towards Labour, I know they must do better and thus accept and give constructive scrutiny of them, because this is important for making whoever we support better in the long run.

Unfortunately, tribalism across politics has given us incompetent politicians who don’t learn mistakes, but must deny them to “look better”. This culture must change in the national interest.
34
18/02/2021 11:05:43 449 622
bbc
Do you not think Starmer has done this already? The man was the face of the vote remain campaign and was one of the first once Brexit finally happened to say we should move on. He knows not to focus on Brexit as it was part of what caused the poor result last time around (plus Corbyn) and has learnt from that mistake. Admittedly i wish he focused more on the governments incompetence on brexit.
69
18/02/2021 11:06:50 45 37
bbc
We thought you were anti Brexit? Have you moved on too?
267
18/02/2021 11:52:53 126 138
bbc
The only Government incompetence on Brexit was not listening to Liam Fox, who told us all the EU was not our friend , was not interested in trade, but more in their political project to create a new Holy Roman Empire - I'd say a US of E only that implies a semblance of democracy. Boris treated them as friends - BIG MISTAKE, now treat them as we should, and retaliate to their trade war.
594
18/02/2021 12:08:23 50 50
bbc
on implementing Brexit the government were handicapped by Starmer's efforts to help the EU to prevent it.
815
18/02/2021 12:37:25 17 34
bbc
Basically 20gbp to those on social security. The rest is just hot air - the same premium bond saving schemes that came out of the 1970s failing governments.

Relive the 1945 Labour Government?- what does he propose, another NHS. Nationalisation again?

UK industry was very efficient during and just after WW11 - the 1945 government destroyed that because their policies cannot create wealth
827
18/02/2021 12:38:33 13 19
bbc
He is morally bankrupt.
863
adi
18/02/2021 12:41:07 20 13
bbc
132 billion a year are not sufficient?! Strange that a lot of healthcare systems around the world do much better with less money
864
18/02/2021 12:41:07 13 7
bbc
Starmer was barely in the public eye around Brexit, the lack of a face for remain was arguably the problem
911
adi
18/02/2021 12:44:32 27 16
bbc
NHS was getting already 132billion in 2019. I am sure the amount as gone up in 2020. A lot of other systems perform much better with less money. I think NHS main voices of expenditure are admin, court claims and external advisors. Maybe it just need to address this first
18/02/2021 12:52:00 21 5
bbc
"The man was the face of the vote remain campaign and was one of the first once Brexit finally happened to say we should move on."

Can't tell if you're suffering from amnesia or simply being disingenuous, but Starmer was pushing for a second Brexit referendum all the way up to the last general election in 2019. He was also a consultant for the anti-Brexit law firm that represented Gina Miller.
18/02/2021 12:56:37 10 9
bbc
Move on mate... That's a done deal now, no way back even if you wanted it. You can't keep whittling on about the past look to the future!
18/02/2021 12:58:36 8 8
bbc
When Starmer was Brexit spokesman in the Corbyn team, he did not promote Remain, or indeed any other outcome, but sat on the fence. He is still doing that.
29
18/02/2021 11:04:03 3 4
bbc
Nope...it will all be forgotten if herd immunity is reached.
35
18/02/2021 11:06:15 2 4
bbc
If you lost a loved one, or your business tanked, I don't think it will....
75
18/02/2021 11:14:28 5 1
bbc
Sorry,but that's life I'm afraid-the average age of someone who died of Covid exceeds the average UK life expectancy. Sad though any deaths are, most victims were in the departure lounge anyway, be it through Alzheimers,age or morbid obesity...the three main causes. We are an ageing,vastly overpopulated country where a massive cohort simply refuse to follow rules/advice-the outcome was inevitable
36
18/02/2021 11:06:26 6 3
bbc
Why open the HYS before he has said anything?
62
18/02/2021 11:12:22 6 5
bbc
Because as is common practice Labour have prereleases what he is going to say
23
18/02/2021 11:01:47 8 11
bbc
Sadly, SKS is a walking soundbite, devoid of substance, a coherent plan - and stuck in the politics of protest.

Spend more money seems the answer to everything. He seems to have no plan on how this can be re-paid, but I expect it will be some vague "Robin Hood" scenario that is harder to pin down than platting sawdust.

Good opposition is needed, but he just can't be relevant or credible atm.
37
18/02/2021 11:06:29 2 0
bbc
Government by sound bite? Isn’t that what we’ve had since 2015!
38
18/02/2021 11:06:32 802 84
bbc
The Tories have implemented state bailouts beyond the wildest dreams of the left. This makes it harder to differentiate between the parties.
72
18/02/2021 11:09:20 748 180
bbc
Current regime is economically liberal but socially conservative. Which is what most voters in the UK want. Labour can only ever win an election by being Tory Lite.
81
18/02/2021 11:15:42 70 122
bbc
The Tories rely on indoctrination from the gutter press for their survival. Labour never have. The UK has had an absolutely awful covid death toll which is more than double that of Germany, and the 2020 economic downturn of 10% was double the 5% of Germany. The UK political gap is massive and Labour don't rely on propaganda.
158
18/02/2021 11:32:07 9 25
bbc
Sigh, why do you think some of us have been calling for the destruction (at the ballot box - must say that or I'll be hauled up for inciting an armed insurrection) of the LibLabCons for close on a decade?
174
18/02/2021 11:35:56 16 4
bbc
He isn't on the left.
291
18/02/2021 11:55:19 7 8
bbc
Well let's not hope for miserable Cameron and Osborne again.

"Don't spend on your lives, don't do this, don't do that. "
348
18/02/2021 12:02:02 18 13
bbc
Labour would take a stake in the companies bailed out. The tories gave them your money
353
18/02/2021 12:02:29 9 3
bbc
No it's not.... they're wildly different in political ideology. Please tell me you don't just look at what they do and not the reason why? That's as daft as pretending it's just a choice between the colours red and blue. Though we did learn traditional Labour voters are blue at heart in the last election.
18/02/2021 13:03:26 1 0
bbc
Which means that you are politically clueless !
39
18/02/2021 11:06:47 29 28
bbc
Its a matter of time before he gets the bums rush in favour of a harder line, unelectable leader. The mask is already slipping.

Credibility issue - in as far as he has none and is a millionaire champagne socialist at heart. He has no positive plan, just a rag bag and bobtail of soundbites which change on a daily basis.

At this rate, labour are decades from electibility.
435
18/02/2021 12:09:19 0 1
bbc
The Labour party will outdo the Tories, they'll be the first to elect a self-certified woman. ;-)
442
18/02/2021 12:09:52 0 0
bbc
He's an intelligent bloke from a poor background who has climbed the ladder on his own merits. Johnson however...
2
18/02/2021 10:51:42 15 28
bbc
Perhaps Starmer can actually do some opposition stuff and oppose these now highly damaging restrictions which are now doing more harm than good.
40
18/02/2021 11:06:51 4 2
bbc
Starmer opposes something "oh god why doesn't he support our country, can't he offer anything constructive"

Starmer doesn't oppose something "tarmer can actually do some opposition stuff"

The man can't win with some of you lot
9
18/02/2021 10:57:05 27 39
bbc
Tory bots are running scared a usual. A sensible leader would be a refreshing change from the current duplicitous clown.
41
18/02/2021 11:08:44 2 2
bbc
The same thing was said about Miliband and then Corbyn.
42
18/02/2021 11:09:09 107 61
bbc
PHEW can always rely on the captain
More state support, good old labour endless money giveaway as ever.
Someone has to pay eventually
67
18/02/2021 11:13:15 102 87
bbc
And the Tories just hand millions to their friends during the Pandemic to fail to provide what they were paid for with Tax payers money.
79
18/02/2021 11:15:16 17 6
bbc
endless money giveaway

Been used by the Tories, quite effectively for anyone connected to them......????
401
18/02/2021 12:05:47 9 5
bbc
How much have the tories spent of your money? They are the ones with the magic money teee
431
18/02/2021 12:09:02 6 2
bbc
What, like the BILLIONS we are going to have to repay for that borrowed by the Tories to pay their cronies via the mostly useless Covid contracts? What? You mean you didn't know about that? Well that'll be because you read one of the foreign or non-dom billionaire-owned newspapers, like The Sun/Express/Daily Mail/Telegraph or Times, who keep this information from you.
462
18/02/2021 12:11:32 3 0
bbc
But isn't it big business that's been begging for the State Support
831
18/02/2021 12:38:38 0 0
bbc
Are you trying to get me remove if I honestly have to give an answer to that my post will be removed.
18/02/2021 12:54:29 4 1
bbc
The economic illiteracy continues. No wonder this country is in such a mess.

You do realise the tories just laugh at you when you repeat their lies?

They are taking your taxes and lining their pockets while you attack people who want to actually help.
18/02/2021 12:44:52 0 1
bbc
You're correct..............the idea of this party has always been to cripple the economy and weaken UkPlc ..to pave the way for a bailout by Putin as another state takeover........Because people in the party like Corbyn have never done a days work in their lives...............they think everyone should live of benefits and gov't support........without a thought about where the money comes from.
18/02/2021 17:33:34 0 0
bbc
Funny, isn’t this what the government is doing now? Who should pay? Bounce back loans one example of wasting our money? But if you are a Tory you never see anything wrong , if labour did it omg , terrible.
43
18/02/2021 10:56:39 584 104
bbc
Dodds was not impressive in R4 this morning. Soundbites but no policies. The usual rubbish about 'ideology'. Not winning anyone over. It is still the case that nobody knows what Labour stand for.
no one takes daffy dodds seriously anymore
Even Rishi smiles in the commons and brushes her aside
Another front bencher with no new ideas
At least Jon Ashworth praises good ideas and then at least come us with some himself
Removed
82
18/02/2021 11:10:16 59 7
bbc
Dodds is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard
93
18/02/2021 11:17:59 71 10
bbc
Dodds is screechy and awful...Labour specialise in people who grate on the ears...Dodds, nasal Starmer and the shouty Angela Whiner...
926
18/02/2021 12:45:39 33 1
bbc
Blimey - first time ever that you and I agree. Dodds is too much of a lightweight with no gravitas, who looks for soundbites. Labour needs to get rid of her, develop a definite strategy and demonstrate why this is better.
967
18/02/2021 12:49:10 31 3
bbc
That's easy. They stand for self-promotion and wealth. Not what they should be standing for but their credibility and any honesty they ever had have long since jumped ship. I'm not a Labour voter but believe in a competent opposition. Labour do not qualify as such.
18/02/2021 12:57:07 14 41
bbc
Well be comforted in knowing wht this Tory government stand for - squeezing everyone to pay for Covid while crying crocodile tears - and all their rich friends will be spared the costs, and being enormously corrupt!
18/02/2021 13:02:33 36 5
bbc
Spot on have never heard her
come up with costed alternative to anything the government has introduced "new labour"under Starmer has to convince that they are a credible alternative which they haven't also Dodds is out of her depth and like her boss has the charisma of a dead goldfish
E
18/02/2021 13:10:58 18 1
bbc
And the difference to all her other appearances was?
18/02/2021 13:20:14 6 17
bbc
Ironic, given that you spout nothing but ideology and soundbites on many other comments on this HYS. Your criticisms mean nothing as a result of doing the same thing that you are complaining about.

Truly delusional.
18/02/2021 13:22:15 6 7
bbc
And what do tories stand for Corruption. Any more £40000 tennis matches for Johnson with Russian London grad bunch
18/02/2021 13:43:55 7 1
bbc
It doesn't stand for anything, it kneels
18/02/2021 13:44:49 4 1
bbc
Don't really know what any of 'em stand for ..........

Except feathering their own nests and pushing stupid ideologies down the throats of normal people who would prefer the politicians would just go away.
18/02/2021 13:45:53 5 0
bbc
Because she is clueless.

Service economy doesn't work with majority on low wages / In work benefits / living week to week

Too little tax not enough services

Cheap money etc.

Tax has to go up, Council tax has been frozen, In Work and Needless Benefits need to stop.

Decent wage, return to direct taxation.

Stop economy based on house prices
Pip
18/02/2021 14:56:04 0 1
bbc
And the Tories do, I fear not........?
18/02/2021 15:56:46 1 0
bbc
Correction, it is the case that you don't know what Labour stands for.
18/02/2021 16:13:26 1 0
bbc
Just an aggressive Scottish woman who would be best suited with the SNP. Is she a secret agent for them ?
18/02/2021 16:33:40 2 1
bbc
Yes
RoboDodds
Wind them up and watch them go.
Bore the pants off anyone
18/02/2021 17:02:32 2 1
bbc
Robertthebruce10
Dodds is definitely Dodgy with her ideas.
18/02/2021 17:26:57 1 0
bbc
You have to admire Starmer for cutting out the middleman and going straight for saver's pockets. A financial crisis and the bonds will be payable to your great grandchildren in 50 years time. Sort of War Bond idea.
18/02/2021 18:06:08 2 1
bbc
dodds is fantastic far better than her dad ken
MVS
18/02/2021 18:17:07 2 1
bbc
Dodds is not impressive!
I hardly ever agreed with anything that J McD said, but I always listened. I tried to listen to A. Dodds this morning and drifted back to sleep.
18/02/2021 19:57:27 0 1
bbc
Dodds has seen that soundbites work for the current regime so why not ?
18/02/2021 20:31:27 1 0
bbc
Dodds is thick!
RTH
18/02/2021 20:44:19 1 0
bbc
I am a member of the Conservative Party but even I feel sorry for Labour if she is the best they can muster to manage the economy
18/02/2021 20:45:03 1 1
bbc
Wow, I see the Tory Bot Propaganda Machine is still allowed to swamp HYS.
18/02/2021 21:10:44 1 0
bbc
Dodds is a bigger embarrassment than Starmer lets face it. What a muppet!
18/02/2021 22:34:00 0 1
bbc
We do, you do not. Your issue.
18/02/2021 23:42:51 0 1
bbc
Well we all know what the Tories stand for! Money before peoples lives. 120,000 deaths and counting.
4
18/02/2021 10:54:06 1015 46
bbc
While aligned towards Labour, I know they must do better and thus accept and give constructive scrutiny of them, because this is important for making whoever we support better in the long run.

Unfortunately, tribalism across politics has given us incompetent politicians who don’t learn mistakes, but must deny them to “look better”. This culture must change in the national interest.
44
18/02/2021 10:57:28 139 94
bbc
We need an effective opposition. But not a yah boo one. Labour still has no policies, you can;t vote for a party with no policies.
464
18/02/2021 12:11:54 32 18
bbc
Or one which just says 'it's white' if the Conservatives say 'it's black'. Boring.
18/02/2021 12:52:09 14 2
bbc
They've just put one forward.

Unless its escaped your attention which is clearly unlikely, considering your numerous nah nah posts on the same subject, they have no means of implementing any policies for the next 4 years.

treat it as a reasonable suggestion, or in your case not
18/02/2021 12:52:32 10 3
bbc
You do know they are in opposition, and don't need policies until there is a general election, right?
18/02/2021 13:06:51 11 1
bbc
You're right, you can't vote on a party with no policies. Guess what though, there's no election for at least another 3 years. Instead of worry about policies for an election that's several years away, they concentrate on being an opposition party.
1
18/02/2021 10:51:06 39 38
bbc
Starmer would be out of his depth in a puddle.
45
18/02/2021 10:58:17 10 3
bbc
He seems a decent bloke, but he hasn't got any policies and his front bench is useless.
2
18/02/2021 10:51:42 15 28
bbc
Perhaps Starmer can actually do some opposition stuff and oppose these now highly damaging restrictions which are now doing more harm than good.
46
18/02/2021 10:58:52 3 1
bbc
Daily Mail readers would love that! But it isn't sensible.
5
MVP
18/02/2021 10:55:22 16 20
bbc
The most astounding aspect of the COVID pandemic is that the government has claimed for years there is no "magic money tree".

But it seems they have had one all along.
47
18/02/2021 11:00:11 11 1
bbc
The pandemic is hopefully a once in a lifetime situation, akin to a war on the doorstep etc. It is acceptable to borrow for necessities during such times. It is not acceptable to create huge debts for luxuries during normal economic times.
32
18/02/2021 11:05:00 12 9
bbc
Well done! Indoctrination score: 100%, reality score: 0%. Boris Johnson would be proud of you.
48
18/02/2021 11:09:18 1 2
bbc
He wouldn't, as I think he is a buffoon - and represents the plethora of poor, second rate politicians we are inflicted with currently, regardless of party politics.

Sorry your one dimensional characterisation fell flat there.

No doubt you assume Sir Keir is the answer - if so, I worry what the question is.
19
18/02/2021 11:00:18 24 18
bbc
We are already going to be paying for the last 12 months for years - the last thing we need is even bigger government invading every aspect of our lives and being saddled with ever greater borrowing levels

Tax cuts and an entrepreneurial spirit will get us back in our feet much quicker
49
18/02/2021 11:10:04 12 8
bbc
Really? A bit like the last decade of austerity I suppose where the UK slashed corporation tax down to 19%. Germany maintained theirs and still improved their economy compared to us.
50
18/02/2021 11:10:06 14 10
bbc
any new ideas Sir Keir,, your chance to shine maybe, as you are still trailing in the poles
83
18/02/2021 11:12:10 9 6
bbc
In Poland ?
85
18/02/2021 11:16:22 3 4
bbc
and amongst the Czechs....
9
18/02/2021 10:57:05 27 39
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Tory bots are running scared a usual. A sensible leader would be a refreshing change from the current duplicitous clown.
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18/02/2021 11:00:35 6 3
bbc
"A sensible leader"

better get rid of Starmer then... Comrade.
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mal
18/02/2021 10:57:10 341 65
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As a floating voter i'm struggling to understand where he sits with his politics. I've yet to hear anything of substance.
Maybe today is his day..
52
18/02/2021 11:00:38 37 8
bbc
This. How can anyone vote for a party with no policies?
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BD
18/02/2021 12:26:38 3 1
bbc
Too right. I hope I live long enough to be able to vote for a party that does.
None on the next decade's horizon ...
7
18/02/2021 10:57:01 14 11
bbc
Starmer is right. We will increasingly need a government that acts in the best interests of the population and not just a small subset of the population.
53
18/02/2021 11:01:36 7 1
bbc
It won't be a Labour government then! That would only be only interested in minority groups, not the majority.
9
18/02/2021 10:57:05 27 39
bbc
Tory bots are running scared a usual. A sensible leader would be a refreshing change from the current duplicitous clown.
54
18/02/2021 11:02:32 12 4
bbc
Why do lefties think that anyone who disagrees with them is a bot? It is simply that far more people vote Conservative, because the UK is a conservative nation.
582
18/02/2021 12:21:05 8 4
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LOL - there is a genuine possibility that the Tories and the incompetent former-journalist Johnson could be responsible for the breakup of the UK "a conservative nation".
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18/02/2021 11:10:30 1206 535
bbc
This is the man who tried to persuade us to vote for Corbyn as Prime Minister!!

This is the man who created and proposed at that election, that Labour would renegotiate the EU Agreement, and then put that to a Second Referendum, thereby invalidating the first one.

But that’s not the clever bit, Labour would then campaign AGAINST their own Renegotiation!!

He’s an irrelevance, seeking relevance.
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18/02/2021 11:15:47 447 532
bbc
So the deal we have is what we were asked to vote on in the referendum? Aye right, look theres a couple of unicorns flying past along with the sunny uplands
125
18/02/2021 11:25:09 45 16
bbc
So you begrudge him for trying to get his party into power...?

In the UK you don't vote for the PM, you vote for the party and it's the party members who pick the leader. Or did you forget that?

I didn't vote for boris for example, but several hundred thousand tory voters decided they wanted him as everyones PM. same issue applies to Corbyn and Labour
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18/02/2021 11:38:26 52 28
bbc
I must admit that was a laughable proposal by Labour. I mean, consider that they must have sat down to think of a way of reversing Brexit and came up with that! LOL.

I do miss JC though, his ideas were hilarious like his pledge of 2 billion new trees over 20 years. That's 400,00 a day (833 a minute!) for 20 years!

Abbott was funny too, if a little worrying.
Do none of you Tory sycophants have any real work to do today? Removed
204
18/02/2021 11:44:18 51 31
bbc
The man that wanted the Uk to join the EU virus response .
What a great record he has .
257
18/02/2021 11:51:53 43 66
bbc
Tory Brexit Britain is total disaster. Welcome back to your propper chair of sick man of Europe.
289
18/02/2021 11:55:00 37 36
bbc
This is the man who puts your blond rockstar to shame every Wednesday at 12 o’clock. Have a go. On one hand a guy who comes across as fairly sincere. On the other, one who never answers any questions and has a pre-pared pile of rubbish waffles that he will come up with regardless. Maybe time to move on from Brexit. I think that’s what Starmer wants to do.
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18/02/2021 11:56:48 10 17
bbc
A corrupt Government for the rich can easily be improved on. Amazed you've fallen for the con.
308
18/02/2021 11:56:59 5 2
bbc
This is also the man you’ll struggle to implement in the Iraq War and/or horrendous pandemic mismanagement.
329
18/02/2021 11:59:56 17 8
bbc
This is the man who called his core voters stupid for voting leave!

Why is he being given free publicity?
610
18/02/2021 12:22:52 1 1
bbc
This is a nation that put Johnson in the job of PM.
859
18/02/2021 12:40:47 0 0
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How you got downticks to facts I would not know.
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18/02/2021 12:49:06 1 1
bbc
And this is the man who said that a Covid mini-shutdown was the only way forward - of course he had to propose something different from govt strategy - and look where that would have got us. All the countries following this route, even Germany, are now experiencing their worst moments.
18/02/2021 13:03:49 2 2
bbc
Considering the utter mess the Tories made of Brexit I'd say Starmer's proposition was far better. Corbyn would have also made a better PM then Johnson but that's ultimately irrelevant as enough people were tricked into voting for the incompetent fool.
18/02/2021 13:13:22 2 1
bbc
He's honest. Can you say that about Johnson. And look at the role he had before he entered politics. Compare that to Johnson. If Starmer is irrelevant what is Johnson. Typical tory response with facts ond no back up evidence. And could anyone handled the pandemic of brexit worse than this bunch.
18/02/2021 13:17:36 0 0
bbc
Actually he probably would be a very good leader, his problem is that the Labour Party is still fundamentally further left wing than he is, and he has to try and keep this part of the party on board
18/02/2021 13:47:26 1 2
bbc
Agree totally with you. Starmer & his London based metropolitan elite are a complete irrelevance to traditional Labour voters all over the UK. As for Brexit, not sure if Starmer's Labour party have finally accepted the outcome.
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MVP
18/02/2021 10:55:22 16 20
bbc
The most astounding aspect of the COVID pandemic is that the government has claimed for years there is no "magic money tree".

But it seems they have had one all along.
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18/02/2021 11:10:40 12 0
bbc
There is a difference between using a 'magic money tree' for surviving an unpreventable random pandemic as opposed to deliberately using one to rack up debt on larger unsustainable state spending with no plan as to how to clear it in the future. One is responsible out of necessity the other is irresponsible.
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18/02/2021 11:00:20 12 2
bbc
Not half as amusing as it would have been if they had opened up the article on the unelected Lord Frost joining the Cabinet to an HYS. The double standards and contradictions from the “champions of democracy” would have been a sight to behold.
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18/02/2021 11:10:40 3 2
bbc
On whose Cabinet did Lord Mandelsohn, Lord 'covid, gift that keep giving' Falconer and Lord Adonis sit?

Tony Blair, Labour. Seems beat tories to it.
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18/02/2021 10:58:24 12 5
bbc
I think you have been taken in by the toxic propaganda in the gutter press too much.
58
18/02/2021 11:10:42 1 5
bbc
I think you are projecting.
59
18/02/2021 11:11:11 19 10
bbc
The Chancellor will do his thing, and all the opposition can do is sit back ,watch and say they would do it better
60
18/02/2021 11:11:21 36 9
bbc
Does he mean more taxpayers support?
91
18/02/2021 11:17:14 3 11
bbc
Hope so as that what it needs you don,t any thing for nothing
18/02/2021 21:31:51 0 0
bbc
Obviously not.
Do your sums
43
18/02/2021 10:56:39 584 104
bbc
Dodds was not impressive in R4 this morning. Soundbites but no policies. The usual rubbish about 'ideology'. Not winning anyone over. It is still the case that nobody knows what Labour stand for.
no one takes daffy dodds seriously anymore
Even Rishi smiles in the commons and brushes her aside
Another front bencher with no new ideas
At least Jon Ashworth praises good ideas and then at least come us with some himself
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36
18/02/2021 11:06:26 6 3
bbc
Why open the HYS before he has said anything?
62
18/02/2021 11:12:22 6 5
bbc
Because as is common practice Labour have prereleases what he is going to say
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DSA
18/02/2021 11:12:36 11 12
bbc
When he does make the speech, it is guaranteed to be full of moaning and whinging at everything the Tory party says or does with his usual touches of hindsight.

Jeremy Corbyn was a bad leader but Sir Kier now clearly leads in that respect.
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18/02/2021 11:41:06 2 1
bbc
He is miles ahead of Johnson, May and Cameron. Latter day 3 stooges.
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18/02/2021 11:01:47 8 11
bbc
Sadly, SKS is a walking soundbite, devoid of substance, a coherent plan - and stuck in the politics of protest.

Spend more money seems the answer to everything. He seems to have no plan on how this can be re-paid, but I expect it will be some vague "Robin Hood" scenario that is harder to pin down than platting sawdust.

Good opposition is needed, but he just can't be relevant or credible atm.
64
18/02/2021 11:04:33 1 1
bbc
Yet he is more credible than the current Government., Mind you, Mickey Mouse would be more credible than Bozo and Co.
77
18/02/2021 11:14:48 1 1
bbc
Everything's relative - it's like saying Scary Spice has the best voice in the spice girls - due to the flatness of the surrounding landscape.

It's the kingdom of the blind scenario.
27
18/02/2021 11:03:06 321 517
bbc
If you read the Pro-Tory gutter press you won't see anything as they won't print it. They will only print nonsense and propaganda.
65
18/02/2021 11:04:35 64 12
bbc
You won't see any Labour policies in the Guardian either. Because there aren't any!
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18/02/2021 11:24:26 49 10
bbc
Well said.

Policy vacuum based on "if we don't actually do or say anything, we can't do or say anything wrong".

An opposition who don't / can't / won't oppose, even faced with a series of spectacular own-goals.

Corbyn was unelectable, SKS is unintelligible.
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18/02/2021 11:00:18 24 18
bbc
We are already going to be paying for the last 12 months for years - the last thing we need is even bigger government invading every aspect of our lives and being saddled with ever greater borrowing levels

Tax cuts and an entrepreneurial spirit will get us back in our feet much quicker
66
18/02/2021 11:04:57 3 1
bbc
So what will you be doing to facilitate this?
42
18/02/2021 11:09:09 107 61
bbc
PHEW can always rely on the captain
More state support, good old labour endless money giveaway as ever.
Someone has to pay eventually
67
18/02/2021 11:13:15 102 87
bbc
And the Tories just hand millions to their friends during the Pandemic to fail to provide what they were paid for with Tax payers money.
88
18/02/2021 11:16:54 8 12
bbc
so do labour
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18/02/2021 11:31:44 6 4
bbc
And you lot never learn.
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18/02/2021 11:55:22 7 5
bbc
The EU are not our friends ,AND they did, EVENTUALLY, under pressure release the PPE the UK had paid for, but they refused to export it until hammered politically (hmm, where have I heard of something similar recently?)
419
18/02/2021 12:08:18 4 6
bbc
I didn't realise that cronyism started with this Conservative Government.

It is not wrong to make money out of Government contracts per se. What is wrong is to cheat the taxpayer with shoddy work/goods because something is wanted in a hurry.

The Government is damned for not having PPE and then damned for issuing contracts to those who offer to get supplies quickly.
18/02/2021 12:52:56 0 3
bbc
Just like labour did with pfi funding that will take as long as the war debt to pay off.
68
18/02/2021 11:06:12 6 9
bbc
The great reset we now urgently need is an alternative to the likes of both BJ and Starmer.

If there are enough of them, the honest and decent politicians from both the Conservative and Labour parties need to form a new centre party, with people like BJ, Starmer, Hancock and Gove excluded. I'm sure such a party would win a landslide victory in the next election.
90
18/02/2021 11:17:11 7 0
bbc
I agree, though I fear the talent puddle wouldn't be anywhere as deep as required.

I'd prefer people with real life experience, skills and knowledge over career politicians any day of the week.
18/02/2021 14:49:01 0 0
bbc
wasn't that what the SDLP was supposed to be under the two David's, that worked well...
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18/02/2021 11:05:43 449 622
bbc
Do you not think Starmer has done this already? The man was the face of the vote remain campaign and was one of the first once Brexit finally happened to say we should move on. He knows not to focus on Brexit as it was part of what caused the poor result last time around (plus Corbyn) and has learnt from that mistake. Admittedly i wish he focused more on the governments incompetence on brexit.
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18/02/2021 11:06:50 45 37
bbc
We thought you were anti Brexit? Have you moved on too?
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18/02/2021 11:27:35 166 64
bbc
I am very much anti-brexit, and I accept we can't stop it. But it won't stop me asking about all the promises we were made that they've U-turned on or asking why it was ok for the tories to lie to us about brexit and then remain completely unaccountable for those lies.

You know you can be pro-brexit too and still think the tories have failed spectacularly, it's not one or the other
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18/02/2021 12:31:31 59 7
bbc
It is quite possible to be anti-Brexit and move on at the same time! As in: I still think Brexit was a terrible decision, but that decision was taken democratically, so we must live with it.
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18/02/2021 11:01:13 15 21
bbc
Tories are more interested in pleasing their own supporters than doing what is best for the Country, they can afford to ignore the rest of us as they only need ~40% of people who bother to vote to get a big majority. We urgently need electoral reform and some form of PR.
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18/02/2021 11:07:52 13 5
bbc
Actually it is Labour that ignores the majority of us for the benefit of minority groups.
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18/02/2021 11:09:12 35 32
bbc
The bbc fawning over one of their own a metropolitan socialist knighted elite barrister
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PB
18/02/2021 11:54:07 18 4
bbc
And Johnson is?
38
18/02/2021 11:06:32 802 84
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The Tories have implemented state bailouts beyond the wildest dreams of the left. This makes it harder to differentiate between the parties.
72
18/02/2021 11:09:20 748 180
bbc
Current regime is economically liberal but socially conservative. Which is what most voters in the UK want. Labour can only ever win an election by being Tory Lite.
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18/02/2021 11:30:24 90 12
bbc
More like Blair than Blair. But for Labour ever to win again, the Momentum (thats a laugh in itself) movement has to be eradicated.
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18/02/2021 11:33:57 57 35
bbc
There is nothing conservative about the Tories except for their name. Then again there is nothing sensible about Labour, except for its name, as for the Lib-Dems/Greens there is nothing sensible,liberal or democratic about them at all.
"Current regime is socially conservative"

Can you give an example of any policy they have introduced that could be described as "socially conservative"? I can't think of any.
355
18/02/2021 12:02:41 18 4
bbc
Tory lite sounds good to me. The middle ground has been an open goal for a while but it's where we all prosper.
360
18/02/2021 12:02:56 3 7
bbc
No..... it really isn't.
603
18/02/2021 12:22:21 12 14
bbc
What a load of nonsense, please don't deliberately;y mislead people into believing the Tories care about the masses, they don't!

We've had 11 years of wage repression & falling living standards. We've had a huge shift of wealth from the masses to the rich via QE and austerity.

This guy would have you believe the Tories had not underfunded the NHS, or dumped unfunded social care onto the NHS
719
18/02/2021 12:30:21 5 2
bbc
Unfortunately so, the self overrides everything in every way, and this is getting worse in this country, despite valiant efforts by charities etc. Certain politicians play to the LCD.
938
18/02/2021 12:46:28 1 2
bbc
They won’t want it when taxes get hiked
18/02/2021 13:01:08 3 3
bbc
Ask yourself why that is? Because Socialism does not work, proven. Even in communism you get those that have it all when the Majority have not got any!( Putin & his social elite in Russia V. the rest)
18/02/2021 13:10:10 2 1
bbc
I wouldn’t call it Tory lite, but you are right most of us want a centralist social democratic Government, unfortunately the choice has been a right of centre Tory party or a left wing Labour Party for at least 10 years.
18/02/2021 13:21:30 3 0
bbc
The last time I saw the social polling on the majority view in the UK it was in fact fiscally conservative and socially liberal. It's been a few years since I saw that I must admit. Quite worrying if we've had such a complete volte face.
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Leo
18/02/2021 11:14:21 318 126
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SKS the man who will say/promise anything to get elected. Classic ``if you don't like my principles, I have another set here''.

It should not be forgot he played a big role in Labour's Brexit policy: that worked so well for them. As a leaver thanks SKS.

Really does anyone think the lost seats of the North/Eastern sea-board will vote for him, and this Shadow Cabinet.

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18/02/2021 12:03:53 137 339
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Why would they vote for Boris?

Tory economic principles down the drain. Free markets don’t work
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18/02/2021 12:47:00 3 3
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Shadow is the correct word for them.
958
18/02/2021 12:48:12 12 9
bbc
And Boris doesn't say what people want to hear, doesn't change his mind, doesn't promise the world and deliver the garden shed, doesn't give momney to his mates and then refuses to see anything wrong in giove millions to Mickey Mouse companies owned by Tories? Doesn't sack his ministers/advisors who blatently break rules? So we all prefer a corrupt governemnt from the top down?
So as a leaver you admit that you willing caused everything Brexit related that will happen to the uk (both good and bad)

Jobs are already going with many more expected to go to the mainland once furlough ends

Over 50% of lorries traveling back to the mainland are now empty with no British goods being exported

I hope i am wrong but i expect your face will become quite red in the comming months
18/02/2021 13:32:34 3 1
bbc
Brexit working a treat then and not based on lies. Between 2.5 and 9 per cent hit to the economy, perhaps as much as 45 billion in two years project fear I suppose. Why no figures on the subject from the Govt. Wonder why.
18/02/2021 13:35:58 2 3
bbc
"SKS the man who will say/promise anything to get elected."

He learned that from Kinnock. I remember, long ago, a radio interview with him and asked what his policies were, paraphrased, what he said was in essence: Leftish, rightish, public ownership, private ownership, whatever you want, really. Didn't do him any favours in the election stakes and Starmer seems not to have learned either.
Pip
18/02/2021 15:00:26 6 1
bbc
The man who will say/promise anything to get elected, bl**dy rich coming from a BoJo supporter.........?
18/02/2021 16:00:03 3 1
bbc
Yeah, vote for the man that opposed Brexit until he saw the opportunity to become PM. If you are going to be cynical, be cynical about them all.
18/02/2021 18:52:18 3 1
bbc
Amazing how you can level that against Starmer when you look at who the current PM is. Those close to Johnson have accused him of being completely unprincipled, the same has not been said of Starmer. Usual Tory projection.
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18/02/2021 11:14:25 4 9
bbc
It worked well after the war, no one can say our industry went into terminal decline and labour relations were awful. Good call Kier. Why not let the unions create a nice closed shop system while we're about it? Its forward thinking for a new world that really marks him out as a potentially great prime minister. We can be like china!!
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18/02/2021 11:22:07 2 1
bbc
So the closed shops and three day weeks of the early seventies were the height of our countries manufacturing you say.

The only thing that can be said after the war is the UK went into decline . Paying off all the debt it had accrued didn't help.

And now you want us to have the same situation.
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18/02/2021 11:26:20 1 0
bbc
The Peoples Republic of Britannia....
35
18/02/2021 11:06:15 2 4
bbc
If you lost a loved one, or your business tanked, I don't think it will....
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18/02/2021 11:14:28 5 1
bbc
Sorry,but that's life I'm afraid-the average age of someone who died of Covid exceeds the average UK life expectancy. Sad though any deaths are, most victims were in the departure lounge anyway, be it through Alzheimers,age or morbid obesity...the three main causes. We are an ageing,vastly overpopulated country where a massive cohort simply refuse to follow rules/advice-the outcome was inevitable
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18/02/2021 10:57:01 14 11
bbc
Starmer is right. We will increasingly need a government that acts in the best interests of the population and not just a small subset of the population.
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18/02/2021 11:14:32 3 0
bbc
I know you don't believe it but the government (all governments) do act in the best interests of the population as a whole because no government gets elected by a small subset. Even in Labour governments there will be a small subset that benefit more than others, it is impossible for that not to happen, law of averages
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18/02/2021 11:04:33 1 1
bbc
Yet he is more credible than the current Government., Mind you, Mickey Mouse would be more credible than Bozo and Co.
77
18/02/2021 11:14:48 1 1
bbc
Everything's relative - it's like saying Scary Spice has the best voice in the spice girls - due to the flatness of the surrounding landscape.

It's the kingdom of the blind scenario.
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18/02/2021 11:15:06 64 28
bbc
We need to sell abroad in order to pay the enormous debt we have incurred as a nation. This requires fine judgement on all government spending, low taxation that stimulates enterprise and creates jobs and taxes revenues, and personal responsibility.
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18/02/2021 11:21:45 75 52
bbc
Ahh the old rubbish of low taxation being better. Its only better for the rich. Crap jobs with crap wages are the outcome.
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PB
18/02/2021 11:53:41 3 2
bbc
Never works that
396
18/02/2021 12:05:24 17 3
bbc
Trickle down doesn’t work. The wealthy are off shore now anyway
439
18/02/2021 12:09:37 10 3
bbc
We also need deals that makes trading abroad possible. And what did this current bunch do when it comes to Brexit - make trade difficult even within the country. Unbelievable that people still have confidence in this government and the liar in chief Johnson.
763
18/02/2021 12:33:48 1 0
bbc
We need to start producing more our own food & our own goods. It is already having cheap goods coming from the likes of China. We need to match the likes of China.
842
18/02/2021 12:39:20 2 0
bbc
The last 2 words in your statement are in very short supply in the uk
18/02/2021 14:01:20 4 1
bbc
Low taxation, cheap labour, sell off everything is how we got here in the first place
18/02/2021 14:51:10 1 0
bbc
AND lets stop outsourcing everything, making PPE at home showed us the way.
18/02/2021 18:07:10 0 0
bbc
No we just need to stop importing
18/02/2021 18:14:35 1 0
bbc
And to pay for our level of consumption. The country has been living beyond its means and we've only balanced our international obligations by flogging assets to foreigners.
42
18/02/2021 11:09:09 107 61
bbc
PHEW can always rely on the captain
More state support, good old labour endless money giveaway as ever.
Someone has to pay eventually
79
18/02/2021 11:15:16 17 6
bbc
endless money giveaway

Been used by the Tories, quite effectively for anyone connected to them......????
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18/02/2021 11:16:39 12 13
bbc
not true
80
18/02/2021 11:15:38 9 13
bbc
Anything has got to be better than Bojo and his bullsxxt
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DSA
18/02/2021 11:18:42 3 5
bbc
Wrong, it should read anything but the Labour party.
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18/02/2021 11:18:36 0 0
bbc
In that case I think we should have Mr Farage as Prime Minister. :-) Or maybe Tommy Robinson?
38
18/02/2021 11:06:32 802 84
bbc
The Tories have implemented state bailouts beyond the wildest dreams of the left. This makes it harder to differentiate between the parties.
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18/02/2021 11:15:42 70 122
bbc
The Tories rely on indoctrination from the gutter press for their survival. Labour never have. The UK has had an absolutely awful covid death toll which is more than double that of Germany, and the 2020 economic downturn of 10% was double the 5% of Germany. The UK political gap is massive and Labour don't rely on propaganda.
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18/02/2021 11:22:29 94 30
bbc
The UK is totally unique in the world in putting more deaths down to Covid than the country's excess mortality figure !! There will be time for the true figures to be produced worldwide and compared on an even basis when this shower is over...I still expect UK to be high in the list, but nowhere near the top.....
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18/02/2021 11:17:23 85 59
bbc
Sounds like you have been indoctrinated by the Guardian. Try coming up with some original thoughts, not just trotting out an editorial line.
LOL Labour don't rely on anything, the Feminists are too busy trying to defend the concept of 'Woman' from the 'Trans' and the rest of them are a convoluted knot of identarians studying their navels trying to figure out just what identity they will self-certify as today. Removed
488
18/02/2021 12:13:35 9 5
bbc
Of course the Labour supporting press is high-brow, reasoned journalism........................!
576
18/02/2021 12:20:39 12 6
bbc
There speaks the voice of the truly indoctrinated...
799
18/02/2021 12:36:24 7 3
bbc
Every country has a different way of measuring Covid deaths. China has never been honest, Belgium the most transparent has the worst per capita in europe. the most aged populations have suffered most - Italy, Spain and the UK. How many of the covid deaths would have occurred anyway as the vast majority are those over 75 and with existing health conditions?
18/02/2021 13:02:04 0 3
bbc
Rubbish. The carping from the sidelines has been disgraceful.
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18/02/2021 10:56:39 584 104
bbc
Dodds was not impressive in R4 this morning. Soundbites but no policies. The usual rubbish about 'ideology'. Not winning anyone over. It is still the case that nobody knows what Labour stand for.
82
18/02/2021 11:10:16 59 7
bbc
Dodds is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard
18/02/2021 13:49:44 5 1
bbc
At least with a chocolate fireguard you could eat the chocolate
18/02/2021 18:41:18 0 2
bbc
Dodds or Gove? Aren’t we the lucky ones...
50
18/02/2021 11:10:06 14 10
bbc
any new ideas Sir Keir,, your chance to shine maybe, as you are still trailing in the poles
83
18/02/2021 11:12:10 9 6
bbc
In Poland ?
55
18/02/2021 11:10:30 1206 535
bbc
This is the man who tried to persuade us to vote for Corbyn as Prime Minister!!

This is the man who created and proposed at that election, that Labour would renegotiate the EU Agreement, and then put that to a Second Referendum, thereby invalidating the first one.

But that’s not the clever bit, Labour would then campaign AGAINST their own Renegotiation!!

He’s an irrelevance, seeking relevance.
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18/02/2021 11:15:47 447 532
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So the deal we have is what we were asked to vote on in the referendum? Aye right, look theres a couple of unicorns flying past along with the sunny uplands
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18/02/2021 11:20:32 52 17
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Sir Keir knows that Brexit is done and dusted and moaning about it is a vote lose. Pity a lot of other people in the Labour fold are not so sensible. Politicians talking about Brexit is a vote loser.
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18/02/2021 12:08:20 0 0
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no its probably better than the deal we voted on in the referendum, as when i voted int he referendum i was under absolutely NO illusion, that a yes vote could result in NO DEAL.. it seems most were not though!!
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18/02/2021 12:28:47 2 1
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We never asked for any deal we ask to leave the EU full stop no deal was ever mentioned.
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18/02/2021 12:47:16 2 1
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Just accept you got it wrong and move on. EU vaccine fiasco?
18/02/2021 13:00:49 1 1
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The deal we have is a lot closer to the voters' wishes than Labour's fudge.
18/02/2021 13:16:09 1 0
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Change the record and move on. Stop trying to fight old battles
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18/02/2021 11:10:06 14 10
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any new ideas Sir Keir,, your chance to shine maybe, as you are still trailing in the poles
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18/02/2021 11:16:22 3 4
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and amongst the Czechs....
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18/02/2021 11:13:29 8 12
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People are upset because an opposition party exists.

Groupthink in action.
changed your name again I see. anything to do with the horrid remarks you made about Sir captain Tom the other day? Removed
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18/02/2021 11:25:25 2 2
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People want a credible opposition to hold government to account.

Not a bunch of political chancers whose only answer is more spending and more state control.
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18/02/2021 11:15:16 17 6
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endless money giveaway

Been used by the Tories, quite effectively for anyone connected to them......????
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18/02/2021 11:16:39 12 13
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not true
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18/02/2021 11:22:00 13 7
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Who is Alex Bourne then........???

An acquaintance and former neighbour of Matt Hancock is supplying the government with tens of millions of vials for NHS Covid-19 tests despite having had no previous experience of producing medical supplies
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18/02/2021 11:13:15 102 87
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And the Tories just hand millions to their friends during the Pandemic to fail to provide what they were paid for with Tax payers money.
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18/02/2021 11:16:54 8 12
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so do labour
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18/02/2021 11:17:09 7 6
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He got one bit right - not to spend money we can't afford
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18/02/2021 11:24:04 3 3
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He clearly doesn't see the irony in that statement.
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18/02/2021 11:06:12 6 9
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The great reset we now urgently need is an alternative to the likes of both BJ and Starmer.

If there are enough of them, the honest and decent politicians from both the Conservative and Labour parties need to form a new centre party, with people like BJ, Starmer, Hancock and Gove excluded. I'm sure such a party would win a landslide victory in the next election.
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18/02/2021 11:17:11 7 0
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I agree, though I fear the talent puddle wouldn't be anywhere as deep as required.

I'd prefer people with real life experience, skills and knowledge over career politicians any day of the week.
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18/02/2021 11:23:59 1 0
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Sadly, I think you are right about the talent puddle.

I'd also like to ban people who hadn't done a real job, for a reasonable amount of time, from becoming MPs, or even local councilors. Unfortunately those who enjoy doing useful real work usually don't want to soil their hands in politics.
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18/02/2021 11:11:21 36 9
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Does he mean more taxpayers support?
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18/02/2021 11:17:14 3 11
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Hope so as that what it needs you don,t any thing for nothing
Removed
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18/02/2021 12:10:36 0 0
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Under Labour what you mean to say is "You get nothing for everything' - there, fixed it for you.
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18/02/2021 11:17:35 25 10
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The state is already just over 40% of GDP, which is plenty high enough.

Someone on roughly median pay for full time employment (30K) pays roughly 40% in tax taking account both employers and employees NI, income tax, council tax, VAT etc.

A large state takes away choice from people, concerning what they spend on, the state makes too many choices on behalf of individuals.
18/02/2021 14:37:08 5 14
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like house arrest of 67 million for a peculiar flu like virus that hardly effects most people who are neither very old or very ill.
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18/02/2021 10:56:39 584 104
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Dodds was not impressive in R4 this morning. Soundbites but no policies. The usual rubbish about 'ideology'. Not winning anyone over. It is still the case that nobody knows what Labour stand for.
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18/02/2021 11:17:59 71 10
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Dodds is screechy and awful...Labour specialise in people who grate on the ears...Dodds, nasal Starmer and the shouty Angela Whiner...
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18/02/2021 11:21:49 48 8
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I thought Dodds spoke quite well this morning, didn't grate on the ears at all. It is just that the words didn't mean anything. A bit like abstract art, maybe she is the Picasso of politics!
18/02/2021 13:09:43 5 18
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Where would we be without, thoughtful and considered political insight like this.

Honestly........
18/02/2021 13:24:53 3 5
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And I thought personal abuse was frowned upon these days.
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18/02/2021 11:18:01 15 14
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It's a good job that no one cares what this man thinks
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18/02/2021 11:18:25 465 123
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The Momentum Marxists are rattling their rotting broom handles to retrieve power in the Labour Party.

Do they really believe the UK voters will have changed their minds in 4 years time ?

The Tories are heading for the socially conscious centre ground of UK politics, and as Bliar proved that is what the moderate and majority of our nation wants.
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18/02/2021 11:35:21 298 92
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Sunak has done that practically single handedly. Boris not such a buffoon after all.
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18/02/2021 12:08:30 17 19
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You're right, but this Con government with the ERG types behind them aren't going to deliver it. Blair (possibly Cameron) was the last to act in the middle ground.
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18/02/2021 12:12:21 12 25
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"The Tories are heading for the socially conscious centre ground of UK politics, and as Bliar proved that is what the moderate and majority of our nation wants."

What? Does the country real wants or needs Priti Patel! LMAO.
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18/02/2021 12:37:16 24 15
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We have no really opposition government in waiting. As bad as the Tory government is would you vote & trust Labour?
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18/02/2021 12:37:45 17 10
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Blair only proved that he was happy to let british soldiers die so he could suck up to George w
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18/02/2021 12:42:44 28 30
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Geoff, this Tory government could not be further from the centre ground! It is about the most right wing party since WW2......Priti Patel, Michael Gove, IDS, Gavin Williamson, Rees-Mogg....all egged on by the ERG. No Geoff, these guys are not the conscious centre ground of UK politics.
18/02/2021 12:52:06 18 7
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What on earth are you talking about? You thin Starmer is momentum?

Good grief
18/02/2021 13:07:26 9 11
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Momentum were finished when they elected the Tories to power. They've lost all credibility and to them it was the taking part that matters rather than winning.

If Corbyn was in any other form of employment, he would have been sacked within three months or even sooner.

But thanks to these placard waving student union protesters we've got to put up with four more years of misery and incompetence.
18/02/2021 13:36:24 9 11
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Give it a rest. Still be using the same old twaddle. Can't you think of something new. Suppose Johnson and Co not right wing then. Centre ground. What a joke.
18/02/2021 13:37:44 5 8
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Starmer is more devious cowardly version of the morally bankrupt Blair.., both are closet Tories who only wanted/want one thing their own power above all else...
The one thing Labour hate right now is the very generous/spend beyond your means/Labour style furlough scheme...
And while we’re on the subject of Starmer is there any chance very he will tell us something we don’t already know....
18/02/2021 13:55:05 1 5
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Phony Tony Tory Blair proved no such thing. He came to power after corruption and time, if he had of stood in Bishop and told the people how much he admired Thatcher The Tax Dodger and he seen himself as finishing what she started, he would of been stoned not elected.

His Policies and Brexit stance. friends is why the Tories have an 80 seat majority and MP's in seats they couldn't dream of.
18/02/2021 13:58:58 1 1
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Lets not forget Phony Tonys Tory Blairs speech about "Don't Blame Immigrants" squarely aimed at "Red Wall Seats".

It was identical in nature to Norman Tebbit's "On Yer Bike" Speech.

So much so Brown at the end was trying to say things like "British Jobs For British Workers" etc.

He basically changed policies for South East voters in bribery tax etc. knowing he had the other seats anyway
18/02/2021 14:15:59 2 3
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Its what the people in power want. all that lovely money hardly taxed as they claim to be wealth creators ( well they are but to themselves). The poor vote for old Etonians and then moan about it. Rinse and repeat.
18/02/2021 15:13:59 9 1
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"The Tories are heading for the socially conscious centre ground of UK politics, and as Bliar proved that is what the moderate and majority of our nation wants."

What?? Have you seen the cabinet? They are no where near the centre. Starmer is near the centre which is why the Corbynists are so upset. I can't forgive any of the 3 main UK parties for what they have done over the last 20 or so years.
Ian
18/02/2021 15:33:09 5 5
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Hahahahahahaaa! the tories are lurching to the far right. They're virtually the fascist party now. Do wake up! oh wait, the tories are now engaged in a war against the woke. The woke are the people that care, the people that value life. Why would anyone vote against that and for people who want to enslave the poor and enrich their mates?
18/02/2021 16:26:28 1 0
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To be honest both are crap
18/02/2021 18:11:33 3 0
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To be honest, Momentum have no chance, the minute they Identarians spot the move they'll label them phobic of one or other of the current centenarian cults. That will be the end of momentum. Who'd have believed the Feminists would be trounced by the trans lobby?
18/02/2021 20:36:41 0 0
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The Tories are literally passing a bill that gives certain groups of people a license to break the law. That is just about the least moderate thing you can imagine. But in our messed up system perhaps it does count as "centrist", the same way that Blair, the warmonger whose war caused thousands of deaths, was a "centrist".
18/02/2021 21:05:31 1 1
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LO, the Tories are heading way to the right and are in love with the idea of laissez-faire economics. They are obsessed with deregulation, the same sort of nonsense that led directly to the 2008 WORLD financial crash.

The rich through greed were constantly reselling bad debt, and there was no regulation in place to observe what was happening.

We've replaced it with governments buying bad debt!!
18/02/2021 21:36:46 0 0
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Totally incorrect! The aiming for the 'centre' ground of politics inevitably ends in electoral disaster....read some history...may I recommend 'The Strange Death of Liberal England'.
18/02/2021 22:35:34 2 0
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Boris is socially conscious......lol
19/02/2021 09:50:36 0 0
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As per normal the far right Tory apologists spouting the insults and crying 'Marxists' with either no understanding of what a Marxist actually believes or in the full understanding that there is a world of difference between Labour (even the momentum wing) and Marxism. So either stupid name calling or deliberate pushing of misinformation, standard Tory approach really.
19/02/2021 22:28:52 0 0
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In Scotland the Marxists have joined the SNP as the 'Common Weel', as Momentum did in England with the Labour Party, intent upon a Socialist Republic irrespective of the catastrophic consequences it would bring. Some even want a Pan Celtic Socialist Republic. I mainly care about the NHS and having an economy to provide for it. I think Keir probably does too.
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18/02/2021 11:18:35 16 12
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No matter who the labour leader is they are always good at spending somebody else's money. Haven't they noticed that this government has spent more money than anyone else ever. So the response is to spend more?!
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Bob
18/02/2021 11:21:31 10 9
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You sound surprised. That's the Labour mantra. Never satisfied.

You could set, and meet, a target and they'll just say the target was wrong.
Change it and meet it the following year and they'll just say nope that's no good either.
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18/02/2021 11:37:22 3 1
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The money that they have been spending came from a decade of austerity. Already stolen from the poor. Another decade of more austerity coming up unless low income earners get wise and vote this shower out. It’s in your hands so stop swallowing the drivel and vote them out.
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18/02/2021 11:15:38 9 13
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Anything has got to be better than Bojo and his bullsxxt
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DSA
18/02/2021 11:18:42 3 5
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Wrong, it should read anything but the Labour party.
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18/02/2021 11:28:55 0 0
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30,000 fewer deaths
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18/02/2021 11:18:52 557 279
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Captain Hindsight up to his usual tricks.
This man is going nowhere
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18/02/2021 11:28:25 334 421
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As opposed to Captain Chaos?
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18/02/2021 12:01:51 11 7
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The latest ploys seem to be pre-empting what the Government should do and then trying to take the credit for it. They haven't got it right every time though.
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18/02/2021 12:03:07 22 11
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Captain foresight
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18/02/2021 12:04:35 4 5
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You hope - or you are fearful?
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18/02/2021 12:07:12 37 26
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Pathetic comment... must be a Bojo fanboy, incapable of seeing the chaos this government has left.
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dan
18/02/2021 12:16:17 20 5
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Captain Hindsight... by making policy recommendations for the future? Blimey.
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Oll
18/02/2021 12:25:19 22 5
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I think the word you are looking for is "Foresight" not "Hindsight".

From Colin's dictionary:
Foresight:
provision for or insight into future problems, needs, etc

Hindsight:
The ability to understand, after something has happened, what should have been done or what caused the event.

In any case, both are actually gifts we WANT our politicians to have and hardly negative things.
18/02/2021 13:29:44 5 1
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Another Johnson clone. Think of your own descriptions not his. Wasn't hindsight when he was asking for earlier lock downs to save lives and help the economy conveniently forgotten. Why is that a surprise
18/02/2021 13:51:15 4 1
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If the population elected Bozo, then Screaming Lord Sutch needs another go.
18/02/2021 15:58:44 1 0
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A typical loonie right comment, just listen to Bozo and repeat
18/02/2021 16:12:25 1 0
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So, you have been totally brainwashed by Johnson in using his Captain Hindsight tag, which is what the old Etonian wanted. Tories are only interested in rich people. The English can always be fooled, time and time again.
18/02/2021 17:45:04 1 0
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Be quiet now, the grownups are talking
18/02/2021 18:04:44 0 0
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Who? Oh you mean the , not the Boris one, right.
18/02/2021 18:31:01 1 0
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And Boris is Captain Foresight is that why we will have 165000 dead and a bankrupted country
18/02/2021 22:37:09 0 0
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As opposed to Boris and his clowns - 110,000 dead!
19/02/2021 09:53:25 0 0
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Captain Foresight you mean, the guy who told Boris that he needed to listen to SAGE and lock down in September (which would have saved 10's of thousands of lives)
Instead of foresight though we have a competent captain we have instead a PM who is best regarded as a general incompetent.
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18/02/2021 11:19:13 109 20
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How do we, the UK, pay this all back, both Boris and Keir?
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18/02/2021 11:40:20 141 60
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From a lot of comments I see, I think the intention is to pass all to debts onto UK citizens yet to be born then berate them any time they complain, telling them they should be thankful they didn't live through ww2 by people who weren't even born then.
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18/02/2021 11:43:46 9 0
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Coordinate tax policy with other indebted nations and look for areas like education and infrastructure where the gap between the interest on borrowing and predicted gains over the long term means the spending will more than pay for itself.

We need less false economies around austerity not more, to invest in this nation and regrow it.
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18/02/2021 12:06:44 6 21
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The children' whose education has been destroyed and their children will pay it back, meanwhile the Covid Cultists may eke out another 3 to 6 months or so of existence for those most likely to die of it. If lock-downs were so good ,why are they not locked-down & the young whose lives are being destroyed for a peculiar & bad, for the very ill and old, flu set free?
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18/02/2021 12:31:03 8 2
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Well only a fool won't know who going to pay for this Joe Mugging in other words us. It will not come from the rich, it will not come from the pockets of MPs they will still get they pay rises have no fear. We not all in it together never have.
18/02/2021 12:58:52 5 1
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Through the invisible tax caused by the hundreds of billions printed by the BoE last year - inflation
18/02/2021 13:53:16 1 0
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Tax increases & increased productivity.

The second is down to businesses becoming more efficient & employees doing their work.
Unfortunately, neither seems to happen.
18/02/2021 15:05:26 0 0
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It pays itself back when you spend the savings.

If you don't understand how, then there is a 200 page document here explaining how.

https://gimms.org.uk/category/mmt-long-read/working-papers/
18/02/2021 18:17:56 1 0
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A good old fashioned bout of raging inflation should do the trick , does wonders for reducing debt , now 15 % interest rates anyone ?
18/02/2021 20:45:37 0 0
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Simple. They will steal it through inflation and taxation.
19/02/2021 00:29:35 0 0
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Taxes, taxes and taxes.
But they will be hidden away in council taxes, etc.
Proably VAT too.
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Bob
18/02/2021 11:19:23 197 49
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He has higher approval ratings among Lib Dem supporters than Labour supporters.

So regardless of what he wants, I don't think we need concern ourselves with it any time soon.
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18/02/2021 11:57:09 206 30
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There are Lib Dem supporters?
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18/02/2021 12:02:59 6 3
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Who's the 'we'? Daily Mail owners, or the electorate?
18/02/2021 13:39:47 6 6
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No the big problem for the next few years is liar Johnson.
18/02/2021 15:47:16 0 2
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That's right, I am only still in the Labour Party so I can not vote for SKS come the next leadership contest, which I pray and hope for comes soon.