Strong decline in coronavirus across England since January, React study shows
18/02/2021 | news | health | 3,885
Study finds infections fell by two-thirds - and more in London - but warns virus levels remain high.
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18/02/2021 10:51:37 518 157
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So lockdowns do work then.
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18/02/2021 10:56:19 135 210
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So tier systems don't work then...
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18/02/2021 10:56:45 28 46
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Shame nobody competent wasn't introducing them earlier and lifting them later previously.
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18/02/2021 10:57:21 34 10
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How much is vaccines, how much is lockdown. Hopefully we will know soon. Lockdowns cannot be be the only answer.
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18/02/2021 10:58:19 19 26
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They always did, but at least we have evidence to prove it.

I'm just waiting for the goal posts to change. they wont care that they work but will shift focus to the societal and health cost of locking down (which is the best case to make tbf). Yet i can guarantee that 90% of these people didnt even think about mental health sufferers until they could use them for their agenda.
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18/02/2021 11:03:19 7 7
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Their will be a substantial effect from vaccination too. With the early studies suggesting a reduction in transmission of around 2/3rds there should be a reduction in R of on average 1% for every million vaccinated and although some of the first groups vaccinated would be less socially mobile there are also many health and social care workers who would have a high R rate because of their work.
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18/02/2021 10:52:47 21 5
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Indeed. But they cannot keep us locked up forever.
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18/02/2021 10:58:54 3 2
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The headline has to say this for next week lol
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18/02/2021 11:01:17 3 13
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Yes, we need a permanent lockdown. Because it works.
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18/02/2021 11:10:57 8 8
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Yes they work, but only to the extent that our lives stop. They only work while everyone is stuck inside and every other part of life is suffering. So, yes, lockdowns work if the only goal is reducing covid numbers....but this number will just shoot back up again when lockdown is released
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18/02/2021 11:11:54 10 9
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How do you explain numbers reducing in countries or states that didn't lock down?
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18/02/2021 11:13:42 4 7
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The article and data say "since January". The data clearly shows that cases increased from 15,000 per day to 60,000 per day during the November lockdown.
Most areas were in tier 3 or 4 during the massive rise.
I think you meant to say "vaccines work then".
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kh
18/02/2021 11:07:18 4 6
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Lockdown stop mild strain spreading around and giving people immunity. Far fewer people have immunity to these new "terrifying" strains.
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18/02/2021 11:15:44 8 2
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it does stop virus spread but at massive financial and societal damage.
We are in for a summer of more freedoms but media headlines about job losses, NHS delays and immense mental health damage for some
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kh
18/02/2021 11:14:51 1 7
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You are easily persuaded
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18/02/2021 11:17:42 12 8
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No it's the normal decline in respitory disease which occurs every February since records began
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18/02/2021 11:20:25 11 10
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No they don't. This decline is part of the natural pattern of the virus nothing to do with lock downs which don't work. Don't believe me, look at when the lock downs started and you'll see cases continued to rise. Come Oct you'll see cases slowly creep up, as per the viral pattern. Look at last years graphs and compare to current graphs and you'll see the pattern, lock downs don't work.
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18/02/2021 11:20:45 4 2
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More likely he vaccine
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18/02/2021 11:24:10 2 0
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Two things happening simultnaeously does imply causality.
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18/02/2021 11:26:55 5 3
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Notrea!!y. They press the pause button . Once you pres play it all kicks of again.
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18/02/2021 11:30:48 7 4
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Good, high time to open up society fully. You cannot justify continual lock down. In my Borough of Greenwich less than 0.1% of the population of 280,000 have the virus. Risk? No largely irrelevant now and manageable.
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18/02/2021 11:22:57 1 2
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So do Seasons, Sunshine & Beaches - although these are all denied.
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18/02/2021 11:34:34 5 2
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No. But vaccines and heard immunity build up do.
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18/02/2021 11:34:53 1 1
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I think that's a fair comment! Someone was right, after all.
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18/02/2021 11:36:29 5 4
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The lockdown caused a rapid change from an exponential rise to an exponential decay.

This is clear from the sharpness of the peak on the graph of daily new infections.

Without lockdown the graph would have shown only gradual changes in gradient.
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18/02/2021 11:37:52 6 3
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Many factors including lockdowns will be working in reducing spread of viruses, but are they really that necessary for a virus were 80% will only have mild symptoms
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/search/research-news/8677/
And lockdowns have be shown to do more harm than good.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/eci.13484
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Dan
18/02/2021 11:45:32 6 5
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Fact Check = FALSE

Every nation with the hardest & longest lockdowns have the highest covid mortality, most excess deaths & most damage to the economy & society.
India lifted in June & have 5% of the mortality of UK R=0.1
Sweden had no lockdown & are better off in every metric

Before covid & lockdowns there was something known as herd immunity which previously defeated every virus known to man.
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18/02/2021 11:49:23 3 3
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No, they don't.
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18/02/2021 11:51:01 1 1
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Bang on.
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18/02/2021 11:53:11 6 4
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The number of cases started falling too soon for the lockdown to have had an effect. Also, other countries and states (e.g. Sweden and Florida) also saw a drop at the same time with no lockdown. Therefore there is no evidence that lockdowns work.
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18/02/2021 10:51:56 5 22
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10,000 people have died in last 2 weeks, vast majority over 75. How many had had the vaccine in Dec/Jan?
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18/02/2021 10:56:05 5 4
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They are delayed figures - the sick spend 2-3 weeks in hospital before dying and most of those died with COVID not OF - first dose for all vaccines gives half the amount of protection
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18/02/2021 10:56:44 3 2
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Actually the proportion of over 80s dying as a percentage of all deaths is steadily decreasing and the vaccine would only make a difference to deaths for those who had the vaccine over 5 weeks ago as there's at least 2 weeks before you have good protection and then around 3 weeks average between infection and death and a reporting lag too.
Around 1/3 of over 80s were vaccinated over 5 weeks ago.
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18/02/2021 11:10:02 1 1
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Very few have had 2x vaccine + 3 weeks to give them maybe 65% immunity. It's not a golden bullet!
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18/02/2021 11:02:43 0 0
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no idea...they know the vaccine needs an update
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18/02/2021 10:51:58 19 45
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OPeN ThE GODdAmN PuBS ToDAy.
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18/02/2021 10:53:36 21 10
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Recipe for disaster.
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18/02/2021 10:57:01 7 2
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It is not a pub you need, it is a school. Just look at your typing.
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18/02/2021 11:11:42 5 4
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LOcK uP tHe NumPTy dEniErS ToDAy. They're killing us!
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18/02/2021 11:03:23 7 1
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pubs and nightclubs spread covid
18/02/2021 12:44:57 3 2
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Open Argos today and get you a new keyboard with a working shift key first.
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18/02/2021 10:52:41 32 24
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Proof positive that a lockdown works. Throw a vaccine into the mix and we have hope for the future. We should have locked down earlier and firmer each time and lives would have been saved. Tens of thousands of them.
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Bob
18/02/2021 10:59:01 12 6
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It is amusing because the 'lockdowns don't work' brigade previously claimed that the cases and deaths were just following natural seasonal patterns.

And yes you could draw that correlation. Until now.

Proof indeed.
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18/02/2021 10:54:10 3 1
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18/02/2021 13:18:34 1 1
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Yes, lockdowns are very successful - let's have more. More job losses, suicides, wrecked economy and bleak future for the young. But at least we gave the old and infirm another couple of months life.
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18/02/2021 10:52:46 32 21
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The media and SAGE will have to really strain their vocal cords to talk negatively about this.
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18/02/2021 10:55:14 28 4
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"Still worryingly high" seems to be their favourite.
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18/02/2021 10:59:08 5 5
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I'm sure they'll manage somehow. It will be a new strain from Timbuktoo...
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18/02/2021 10:59:11 5 2
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Well it's the BBC reporting it in a positive light... so....

Ever think you might have that tinfoil hat on a bit too tightly?
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18/02/2021 11:00:06 1 1
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You mean the media told put this out for next week
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18/02/2021 11:11:07 3 1
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Don't worry SAGE also have their trump card the R rate at the ready
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18/02/2021 10:52:48 394 177
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Good news. Let's not blow it by relaxing too soon.
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18/02/2021 11:08:40 347 387
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Yes, let's stay locked up for a few more years just in case. Doesn't matter all those people's lives being destroyed by lockdown.
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kh
18/02/2021 11:13:08 55 16
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And thus society lives on a knife-edge forever more with politicians empowered to blame people exercising normal behaviour as as monstrously irresponsible. A great distraction from their corruption.
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18/02/2021 11:14:31 2 2
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always good news in lead up to next week
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18/02/2021 11:27:23 61 32
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No, lets ruin more businesses and peoples health because I have a 1% chance of dying from this disease.. Lets hide away forever!
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18/02/2021 11:43:16 17 7
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Schools open ASAP. Pubs don't need to rush - early April seems sensible. Borders likewise; at least to non red list countries. All open by end of May.

That would keep rates/deaths about where they are now considering the vaccine successes and approaching spring weather. I think we'd all agree that's an acceptable and sustainable amount of cases/ deaths for society to accept.
18/02/2021 12:33:11 3 1
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Try telling that to the masses ...we have all seen what happens ...its like a bunch of sheep going over the edge of the cliff. Maybe we just have a death wish ?
18/02/2021 12:35:18 7 2
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Enjoying furlough by any chance?
18/02/2021 12:42:43 8 2
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Tell you what Geordie lets stay like this for ever, just to be sure, cant be too careful, and if it saves 'just one life' it will have been well worth it dont you think
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18/02/2021 10:53:17 10 18
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That's it - proof that lockdown works, incontrovertible. So now we stay locked down until 2025, just to be sure.
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18/02/2021 11:25:17 1 0
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Maybe just for those who didn't observe the lockdowns we've already had. We can call it "lockdown training".
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18/02/2021 10:53:20 140 9
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The best result that can ever be produced from any of these infection surveys, is when they decide they’re no longer worth doing anymore.

When that will be is anyone’s guess, but the more we vaccinate, the less hospitalisations and deaths there’ll be numerically and proportionally, and we’re certainly heading in that direction.
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18/02/2021 10:55:31 69 105
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When you think Germany has had half the infection rate of the UK the deaths there are higher than than the UK !!!
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18/02/2021 11:14:03 0 25
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EU is full of covid yet UK still has borders with EU
18/02/2021 13:57:27 2 1
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The comparison with other countries is interesting, but not always based on the same metrics. I understand it that we count a Covid death as someone who has died within 4 weeks of a positive test, whereas in Germany it is someone who is proven to have died due to Covid.
18/02/2021 14:28:52 0 0
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Best comment today! The time will come - "we don't have the time / staff / effort / blah" to keep filling in paperwork, ticking boxes" Plus all those redundancies that will come when they don't need all these Covid tracers / admin / vaccinators - I look forward to the entertainment and seeing the people with short memories get behind the next bangwagon
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18/02/2021 10:53:24 359 192
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Good news, but we mustn't jump the gun and lift restriction too fast.
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DJP
18/02/2021 11:13:18 187 116
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I agree David, but don't understand why you h have any down votes.
I suppose some still don't get it.
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18/02/2021 11:16:27 32 1
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We also need ensure that we don't life restrictions too slowly and that the restrictions that are in place are actually sensible. For example, as all the data shows there is hardly any transmission outside the restrictions on outdoor exercise are not justified. This will be causing more harm to mental and physical health than any possible benefit it could have.
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18/02/2021 11:30:13 23 2
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OK but July is a bit far fetched. Why can't he open up outdoor areas like zoos & parks now? Also, golf and tennis...
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18/02/2021 11:23:27 36 14
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Yeah, let’s leave it another four or five years, just to make absolutely sure eh?
18/02/2021 12:46:37 4 5
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Tell you what David lets stay like this for ever, just to be sure, cant be too careful, and if it saves 'just one life' it will have been well worth it dont you think
18/02/2021 12:36:49 5 2
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Yea lets stay locked down forever just to be sure
18/02/2021 14:03:02 1 7
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You get down votes David because there's theTory CRG who having ruinedLeave now want to ruin thge UK again, and Farage leading a party opposed to lockdowns, and idiots like toby young and laurence Fox and Stanley Johnson who don't give a toss for the ordinary people
18/02/2021 15:53:53 2 4
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Go f yourself
18/02/2021 16:06:26 1 2
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Why, are the over 80 year olds with at least ONE co-morbidity not able to be locked-down - or does lock-down not work unless the whole world is locked-down? Do the very ill , very old (according to Pfizer that's why they die after a vaccine nowt to do with the vaccine) get out and about a lot? Beach parties, pubs, raves?
18/02/2021 20:32:55 1 1
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You're joking, right? Jump the gun? We jumped the gun when we copied Italy who were copying China for a virus with a mortality rate under 0.5% and an average mortality age of 83. Get real. We need to give the 99.5% not at any serious risk there lives back.
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18/02/2021 10:53:31 15 18
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Watch them reopen schools too early and be surprised when the infection rate skyrockets
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18/02/2021 10:58:11 7 4
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They cant keep closed forever. Kids are low risk and any elderly or vulnerable family members should have been vaccinated by then so it should be safer.
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18/02/2021 10:55:37 0 0
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??????????????????????
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18/02/2021 11:37:09 2 0
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Lucky for England Scotland had to be seen to be different, if infections are going to rise once kids go back to school the information will be there. So can delay schools going back until after Easter, that’s of course if the teachers and unions actually want to go back to work.
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18/02/2021 10:53:35 24 7
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What else would you expect, we've been locked down again.
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CJR
18/02/2021 11:34:45 17 1
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To use common sense would be a good idea
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18/02/2021 12:08:01 1 0
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If you take time to look at the graph on the page above you, you'll see that the RATE of decline is a lot faster this time - that should tell you what you need to know...
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18/02/2021 10:51:58 19 45
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OPeN ThE GODdAmN PuBS ToDAy.
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18/02/2021 10:53:36 21 10
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Recipe for disaster.
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18/02/2021 10:58:41 1 3
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In a shaking glass with ice, combine pineapple vodka, pineapple rum, and melon liqueur. Shake well.
Build a glass using ice cubes, kiwi slices, and blueberries.
Strain the mix over and add lemon lime soda.
In a shaking glass with ice, combine champagne and blue curaçao. Stir to mix.
Add crushed ice to the serving glass and pour the mix over.
Garnish with more blueberries and kiwi slices.
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18/02/2021 10:53:36 161 59
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Well done to all the people who have made this possible, to the people who are prolonging the infection rate you need help !
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18/02/2021 11:04:06 118 49
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They're beyond help now. A few token fines won't stop them. Needs tougher action on behalf of the majority.
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18/02/2021 11:15:13 9 14
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yeah Boris has kept borders open ports airports so it spreads more
18/02/2021 12:14:35 9 9
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Could there be a way of increasing income tax (On top of a fine) for a set period of time for individuals who continue to flout the rules?

Could go a small way towards dieting the financial deficit their actions contribute towards
18/02/2021 16:17:44 2 5
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Lock-down prolongs it nothing else.
18/02/2021 17:05:00 0 0
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How do you prolong an infection rate? Or do you just not know what you're talking about?
18/02/2021 18:54:12 0 0
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Yeah Boris prolonging infection rate by keeping borders open
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18/02/2021 10:53:36 31 34
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Remember folks, Nicola & Sir Keir Hindsight 'demanded' that we join the EU Procurement & Vaccination Programme

And yet the UK has vaccinated more people than the entire EU

All thanks to Brexit!
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18/02/2021 10:55:23 12 19
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And higher death rates than the EU but yeah keep on believing in the Cult
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18/02/2021 10:55:29 2 3
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Ah satire
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18/02/2021 10:56:03 4 5
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Half doses.
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18/02/2021 10:56:32 9 4
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No. Nothing to do with Brexit. We could have opted out of the EU procurement programme whilst still being a member of the EU, if we had wanted to.
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18/02/2021 10:57:11 2 8
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But the EU have given 2 jabs. We have only given one.
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18/02/2021 11:03:08 2 1
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Don't remind Remoaners they are very angry
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VoR
18/02/2021 11:24:13 5 3
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Brexit has nothing to do with whether you joined the EU program (EU members don't have to join the vaccine program), or indeed when you approve the vaccine (EU members can give early emergency approval).

Thank you once again for demonstrating the kind of ignorance that probably swung the vote in favour of Brexit.
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18/02/2021 10:53:39 5 5
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That's a bit of a backtrack from their study less than a month ago https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55736239.
Then they concluded that infections were still rising in January because there were in higher in early January than early December, failing to take into account that all other data showed infections had risen substantially in December before falling in January.
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18/02/2021 10:59:42 3 2
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Just shows what a terrible conclusion that was for them to make then and this latest data must be quite embarrassing for them as it proves their model of how infections grew from early December to mid January was completely inaccurate.
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18/02/2021 10:53:40 20 28
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Anniversary today of Johnson missing his fifth COBRA meeting whilst having a holiday to sort out his private life. If only we'd have somebody competent in charge a lot of this sorry mess could have been avoided.......
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18/02/2021 10:53:49 12 20
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Good news, and hopefully the vaccine will take effect too. However I can’t help but think that come May we will see images of packed beaches and it will be back to square one.
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18/02/2021 10:56:46 10 1
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We were told that the vaccine was a way out. The vaccine is now being rolled out amazingly well so tes I hope we do see those beaches full of people enjoying themselves!
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18/02/2021 10:57:00 6 0
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Is there any evidence that packed summer beaches causes any infection spikes last summer?
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18/02/2021 10:58:37 4 0
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And yet Sage says, "There were no outbreaks linked to crowded beaches, there’s never been a Covid-19 outbreak linked to a beach ever anywhere in the world to the best of my knowledge.”
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18/02/2021 10:59:45 6 0
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No evidence apparently that packed beaches had any affect on infection rates. Main problem was littering and human excrement.
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18/02/2021 11:05:08 3 0
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I don't remember any spikes after packed beaches or after the terrorist protests....
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18/02/2021 11:06:46 2 0
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The idea that packed beaches increases transmission has been completely debunked. It's outside and in the sun so it's about as safe as you can be.
You're far more likely to catch covid in a supermarket than on a beach.
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18/02/2021 11:02:23 0 0
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well you will be allowed to fly abroad for holidays...you can fly right now borders are still open to go to EU
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18/02/2021 10:53:50 7 12
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“Infections reduced by lockdown” is a rather weak lead story, Beeb.
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18/02/2021 10:56:40 2 3
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Its different this time, we cant keep knocking the BBC....
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18/02/2021 11:01:40 0 0
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beeb told to get ready for next week
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18/02/2021 10:53:51 940 40
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Good! Long may the drop continue, both from a self-indulgent perspective (I want to see my friends, I want my kids back at school and I want a pint down the pub) and a wider perspective where I don't want people dying unnecessarily, getting sick unnecessarily and being stressed out.
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18/02/2021 10:59:52 261 407
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One thing I don't understand is that we hit 21000 in hospital in April and we had to lockdown to "save the NHS"
This winter we hit 39000 and we're locked down again. Is the NHS much more flexible than we are being told?
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18/02/2021 11:01:30 87 28
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I know it's bee said before but people downvoting?

They obviously don't want to see anyone else or go outside for whatever reason and welcome people dying and getting sick.

There again, by me commenting I suspect it gives them a little thrill.
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18/02/2021 11:09:26 99 40
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The individuals that down voted your comment are clearly the few that have acted like petulant children all the way through this.

So breaking it down for them. They clearly don't have any friends, or kids, or social life and they want people dying unnecessarily, getting sick and stressed out.

Nice.
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18/02/2021 11:14:18 10 4
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Nothing wrong with self-indulgence (not that I would call schooling and socialising indulgence).
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kh
18/02/2021 11:09:36 8 37
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What about all previous years? Flu and colds have always been a thing.
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18/02/2021 11:12:22 4 6
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as if Covid will be eliminated
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Me
18/02/2021 11:21:12 42 0
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What a refreshing comment. It's not wrong to feel like this in the slightest, we all want back what we had, but not at the price of the live of others. I sincerely hope your first pint is a cool and refreshing one. 🍻
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18/02/2021 11:19:28 2 18
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You’ll be lucky......this is here for good sunnie!!
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18/02/2021 11:41:25 13 1
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Seems a very reasonable comment, but the thumbs downers disagree , but they,d disagree just to feel soooooooooo powerful.
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18/02/2021 11:44:31 15 2
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There's nothing self-indulgent about wanting your life back! Indeed, it's probably more self-indulgent to think that everybody can just self-isolate forever and ignore the consequences. I do worry about these people sometimes.
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ez
18/02/2021 11:59:51 5 1
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Virus was an unknown. New treatments shorten recovery time.
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18/02/2021 12:08:04 3 11
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Time to lift the lockdown Boris.

Schools open ASAP. Pubs don't need to rush - early April seems sensible. Borders likewise; at least to non red list countries. All open by end of May.

That would keep rates/deaths about where they are now considering the vaccine successes and approaching spring weather. I think we'd all agree that's an a sustainable amount of cases/ deaths for society to accept.
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18/02/2021 12:10:31 0 0
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Bring it on
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H
18/02/2021 12:13:31 1 0
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How could anyone down vote this sentiment!
18/02/2021 12:16:19 1 2
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I have a feeling we won’t ever get back to ‘normal’ as we know it. We will be made to socially distance, rule of 6, zoom catch ups for the foreseeable future I fear and most will accept it.
18/02/2021 12:30:47 1 7
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You forgot to mention that you want us back in lockdown again within a few months because everyone will do the same as you. Use a bit of common sense or this will go on forever
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18/02/2021 10:54:06 14 14
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So closing pubs and schools appears to work, who could have guessed that....oh yes...everyone.
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18/02/2021 11:03:50 3 0
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Except no evidence to support pubs spread covid19
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18/02/2021 11:08:22 2 0
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Apparently some can't - they want them opened up again!
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18/02/2021 10:55:08 1 0
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Schools are still the main spreading hubs.
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kh
18/02/2021 11:05:21 2 0
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Correlation and causality and not the same thing.
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18/02/2021 10:54:56 24 15
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This is obviously good news, lets not get carried away, keep up the necessary measures until we can be sure it is safe for everyone to go out.... it really does look like this could be the last lockdown if we use commonsense....
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18/02/2021 11:07:41 13 1
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The majority use versions of 'common sense' but too many don't have any.
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18/02/2021 11:08:39 4 1
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It will never be "safe" (nor was it ever safe), we just have to decide our risk tolerance. Of course, many people have different ideas of what is an acceptable risk...
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kh
18/02/2021 11:04:54 2 9
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There isn't much left for everybody to go out and enjoy you. Lockdown has destroyed the world.
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18/02/2021 10:54:59 14 12
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Boris has continually said that restrictions will be in place no longer than they need to be. Well on the basis of this evidence it seems perfectly reasonable to go to Tier 4 across the country and at least allow people to meet loved ones outdoors with the "rule of six".
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18/02/2021 10:58:48 7 9
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Need to keep restrictions in place for longer. At least until data can be studied from vaccination programme.
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18/02/2021 11:03:17 1 2
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Or wait another 2-3 weeks and let schools open and see family INDOORS !!!!
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18/02/2021 11:06:56 3 3
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Because that worked last time? Dumb.
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18/02/2021 10:55:01 645 165
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That's great but herd immunity from vaccination will not be achieved without mass take-up of the vaccine.

Refusing the vaccine is not to exercise individual choice, it is damaging to the population as a whole.

How cohesive is our diverse society? We're about to find out.
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18/02/2021 11:05:51 247 311
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15 million hand has massively reduced the risk of death though. Time to start relaxing restrictions starting with schools which must all go back asap.
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18/02/2021 11:06:29 61 134
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Why should a healthy young person have an unproven vaccine they don't need.
I know it feels like we're living in a dystopian totalitarian state, but actually we're not.... yet
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18/02/2021 11:06:47 60 21
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And if they don't take the vaccine what shall we do with those people? Armbands so we can avoid them. Then 'health' camps?
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18/02/2021 11:07:26 58 98
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You mean the coesive society where virtuous citizens feel the need to look down their noses at anyone exercising personal choice. The people who have divided the country the most are those who believe any MSM reports they see and worship Imperial college despite their predictions being grossly inaccurate
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18/02/2021 11:08:22 21 8
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Late May going into June would be interesting, there will be more complacency and a lot of people may think "Why do I need one, isn't it all over now?".

Or they may think why have generation 1 vaccine now when I can wait a few more months for generation 2, which covers the new strains and protects going into winter if immunity lasts more than 6 months, which it should do.
I'm NOT going to have a vaccine. Under any circumstances. You can think what you like about me, I don't care what you've been brainwashed into thinking. Removed
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18/02/2021 11:15:48 70 6
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A cohesive society is not one in which everyone does what you personally want
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18/02/2021 11:13:03 11 98
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anti vaccine comments here get deleted by the beeb

AZ stuff doesnt work according to EU
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18/02/2021 11:19:44 84 42
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Apart from those people who have been told by medical professionals that they must not have a vaccine everyone else has a duty to have one.
It is a case of having empathy for the humanity around you. It’s selfish to expect to be given back all the freedoms we have missed if you don’t do your little bit in return.

Have the jab, you’ll probably save a life!
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18/02/2021 11:25:40 15 17
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What? not taking a vaccine which even when you have you still get and and can still pass on Covid?

Surely all it means is the people who have not had the vaccine are more susceptible to a stronger virus? Surely if they waiver NHS help by not having the vaccine then thats fine.

Who are they damaging? because whether you have or not it doesnt stop you getting or passing on?
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CJR
18/02/2021 11:29:55 25 17
bbc
Unfortunately these irresponsible people will put the recovery back.
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18/02/2021 11:35:41 14 7
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So many dissenters out there... but hopefully just a small minority!
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18/02/2021 11:36:20 17 12
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Those who've had the vaccine can still get Covid and pass it on, according to the scientists, but if the vaccine protects against Covid, then those who haven't been vaccinated are not a threat to those who have.
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RG
18/02/2021 11:47:12 17 13
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A cohesive and tolerant society should be one where people's concerns over new vaccines are listened to and heard rather than inane insults and mud slinging. Coercion does not equal cohesion.
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Dee
18/02/2021 11:52:23 14 26
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I'm ashamed this is one of the top comments, but no surprise on the BBC. No one should be forced to have an experimental, stage three, emergency approved therapy that doesn't stop spread. No one. Have your 'vaccine' but your health is not my responsibility. My health is my responsibility.
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18/02/2021 12:02:06 8 1
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"How cohesive is our diverse society? We're about to find out."

The words 'diverse' and 'society' don't go well together.

What our Governments have encouraged are lots of very different diverse communities, ant it ain't working.
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ez
18/02/2021 12:03:13 11 8
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Well a lot of peoples reluctance to adhere to the rules have caused many unnecessary deaths, so we have already failed.
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18/02/2021 10:55:07 131 11
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Great news at last.
Lets hope the vaccine will do it-s work and the hard work by the fantastic Scientists will be rewarded..
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kh
18/02/2021 11:03:51 7 114
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You said the vaccine as in singular. There are many many vaccines to choose from, are you saying they are all the same?
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kh
18/02/2021 11:13:55 0 17
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I'm not convinced.
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18/02/2021 11:49:09 1 1
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+ track trace isolate, low covid infection or vaccines may be for nothing if new mutant is allowed due to high infection rates.
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18/02/2021 12:05:57 3 6
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I can feel it working on me already after 3 weeks. Those 50 billion bits of chimp DNA are bouncing around in me and I want to swing on trees.
Don't worry they are and will continue to be handsomely rewarded for years to come along with their Big Pharma mates. Mainly because half the country have been brain-washed. If you think that this is nearly over I think you are sadly mistaken. Removed
18/02/2021 14:48:00 0 1
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Oh don't worry about that, the pharmaceutical companies will make billions.
18/02/2021 15:12:10 1 0
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Ugur Sahim & Özlem Türeci for the next Nobel Prize in Medicine, then, with Sarah Gilbert el al the time after that?
18/02/2021 17:53:45 0 0
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Ha ha ha ha ha with jail, crimes against humanity
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18/02/2021 10:52:46 32 21
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The media and SAGE will have to really strain their vocal cords to talk negatively about this.
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18/02/2021 10:55:14 28 4
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"Still worryingly high" seems to be their favourite.
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18/02/2021 10:59:18 4 3
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"there is no evidence" is the another trick. When there is no evidence either way.
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18/02/2021 10:53:36 31 34
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Remember folks, Nicola & Sir Keir Hindsight 'demanded' that we join the EU Procurement & Vaccination Programme

And yet the UK has vaccinated more people than the entire EU

All thanks to Brexit!
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18/02/2021 10:55:23 12 19
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And higher death rates than the EU but yeah keep on believing in the Cult
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18/02/2021 10:59:35 6 6
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if there is any Cult people follow in Europe it's the EU Commission masters
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18/02/2021 10:53:36 31 34
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Remember folks, Nicola & Sir Keir Hindsight 'demanded' that we join the EU Procurement & Vaccination Programme

And yet the UK has vaccinated more people than the entire EU

All thanks to Brexit!
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18/02/2021 10:55:29 2 3
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Ah satire
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18/02/2021 10:53:20 140 9
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The best result that can ever be produced from any of these infection surveys, is when they decide they’re no longer worth doing anymore.

When that will be is anyone’s guess, but the more we vaccinate, the less hospitalisations and deaths there’ll be numerically and proportionally, and we’re certainly heading in that direction.
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18/02/2021 10:55:31 69 105
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When you think Germany has had half the infection rate of the UK the deaths there are higher than than the UK !!!
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18/02/2021 11:01:52 55 2
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Sorry, you lost me. Death rate per million are are 1,746 in the UK and 799 in Germany?
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18/02/2021 11:04:30 66 3
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I just LOVE the way you playfully say that with such knowing confidence! Good on you!
Err - except we've had 115,000 deaths and Germany has had 67,000 deaths in spite of a much larger population.
OK....
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18/02/2021 10:59:26 11 66
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EU has poor healthcare in general
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18/02/2021 11:33:20 5 5
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Is that Boris Johnson writing made up rubbish? UK death rate is 2.5 times that of Germany - go check.
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18/02/2021 11:35:00 11 2
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Not sure your point, they have had 58% of our cases and 56% of our deaths, despite having 20% more people.
In Germany 1 in 35 cases leads to death
In UK 1 in 34 cases leads to death
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18/02/2021 11:36:19 6 3
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That's because people followed the bloody rule.. not having pissups in the parks and mass snowball fights.
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18/02/2021 11:37:16 14 0
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Britain (pop~65m, deaths ~119,159), Germany (pop ~83m, deaths ~66,738). Ask your Mom to do the maths. The German death rate as a percentage of population is less than half of the UK's death rate. Germany 0.08%, UK 0.18%.

When you think you're thinking, think again. ;)
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18/02/2021 11:36:00 2 3
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Nonsense. To yesterday Germany has 67074 deaths and the UK 118,933 (source - Worldometer). The main reason is the density of our population and the fact that they had stockpiled PPE a year ago.
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18/02/2021 11:50:15 1 0
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There are lies, damn lies....... you know the rest.
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18/02/2021 12:04:54 0 0
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So the US are brill then. 7 times the infections but only 4.5 the death rate. Still wouldn’t want their 500k deaths figure though.
18/02/2021 13:10:29 0 0
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Really? Data today; UK 4.07 million cases, 119000 deaths. Germany 2.36 million cases , 66732 deaths. (John Hopkins University)
18/02/2021 16:27:11 0 0
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have they added the rest of the EU countries...
18/02/2021 16:52:14 1 0
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People love to compare other countries, but the truth is 'human behaviour' plays the biggest part in all this. Some countries population totals vary, and some of those populations follow the rules and get things done, and they understand that social activity etc needs to be put on hold for a while. Many people on the other hand disregard the rules, because they think & believe they know better.
18/02/2021 18:57:43 0 0
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On a per capita basis uk has greater daily deaths than germany and the cumulative to-date totals are double those of germany, again on a per capita basis.
BBB
18/02/2021 21:10:21 0 0
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It's not a copmpetition
18/02/2021 22:11:01 0 0
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Beware being a stranger to reason. Get your facts straight.
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18/02/2021 10:55:37 3 6
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Never in a million years could we have predicted this!
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18/02/2021 10:57:18 4 4
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Unless someone read the Cygnus report.........
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18/02/2021 10:58:29 1 1
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Odd that a pandemic is top of the National Risk Register yet our shambolic government weren't prepared for it..........
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18/02/2021 11:01:18 0 0
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no just the week before too lol
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18/02/2021 10:55:53 693 163
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1. Lockdowns work
2. Vaccines work
3. Improved therapeutics work.

The only things that can blow it now are more mutations and our own impatience.
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18/02/2021 11:02:13 169 406
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Lockdown only prolongs the agony, unless done properly like NZ for example
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18/02/2021 11:06:13 28 8
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And a few thousand numpties.
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18/02/2021 11:00:35 17 5
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testing at borders work when they decide to implement it
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kh
18/02/2021 11:03:10 14 57
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1. Witchfinders work
2. Holy water works
3. Ducking stools work

You can fool most of the people most of the time I'm with superstitious scientific mumbo jumbo.
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18/02/2021 11:03:33 37 3
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Fuelled by continuous newscasters asking when lockdown will ease, when can we go on holiday etc,etc.
When 99% of the country who get Covid will only get mild flu symptoms (chris Whitty video mid 2020) and get over it you have ask the question what the agenda is here?

Now the most at risk (Over 70s) have been vaccinated the Virus is dropping off quickly. Rather strange for a supposed Pandemic
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18/02/2021 11:28:41 21 56
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LD Rob has no friends so enjoys lockdown. LD Rob has a full paid job or is on Furlough. LD Rob is scared of his own shadow,...Don't be like LD Rob.
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18/02/2021 11:36:54 38 36
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What you call impatience, others call financial desperation, job losses, losing their homes, suicidal thoughts (and sometimes actions), desperate loneliness and loss of self worth, ruined relationships, ruined university courses, irreparable damage to their child's education. when are people such as yourself going to realise that lockdowns kill and ruin people's lives !
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18/02/2021 11:37:14 25 56
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1. Lockdowns don't work. They only work temporarily and ultimately achieve nothing but economic destruction
2. Vitamin D has been proven to be extremely effective as both a preventative and therapeutic treatment, but that's largely been ignored by policymakers who pretend to look after our best interests
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18/02/2021 11:39:36 3 21
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And therefore we can unlock right now and start getting the economy restarted.
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18/02/2021 11:42:44 9 1
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Thats why very low infection rates are important Trace trace and supported isolate once number is low is importent to prevent bounce back.
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sw
18/02/2021 11:48:36 4 0
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Meanwhile an Essex couple have driven to Devon to buy a Chinchilla.
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18/02/2021 11:50:56 1 12
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Lockdowns don't work. Public sector or retired is it?
Cultural diversity doesn't work Removed
18/02/2021 12:07:13 10 17
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There is not a shred of evidence that lockdowns work. Every country around the northern hemisphere is seeing rates decline - without or without lockdown, with or without vaccines. We are seasonal. Coronavirus infections are generally seasonal. Lockdowns simply kill other patients and destroy economies. Lockdown DID NOT WORK.
18/02/2021 12:18:42 9 6
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If the vast majority of the vulnerable are vaccinated, and thus not vulnerable, why would we continue to damage people, businesses and life through continued restriction. Too many people ignore the damage to us all from the restrictions. I could see the point up until now but not into the future. We have and do live with risk every day.
18/02/2021 12:34:57 5 15
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1. No proof ... we're likely to have achieved the same numbers without a lockdown while not depressing our economy and destroying our kids education.
2. Oxford/Astrazenica data is a shambles and the Pfizer roll out has not followed the correct protocol. As expected over the winter season, the numbers went up and now we're approaching March, the numbers are dropping - ooh, similar to the flu then.
18/02/2021 13:05:40 4 5
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Never underestimate the incompetence, stupidity, and cruelty of the Tory party to make literally anything far worse than it would otherwise have been. Expect Johnson to release the lockdown too early as before, watch the numbers rocket, then lock down again too late. It's an endless cycle of mindless harm from that truly evil man.
18/02/2021 13:20:50 3 4
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If you look at the Global situation there has also been a huge drop in cases since January. (And deaths/day) The graph is similar to the UK and yet there have not been lockdowns across much of the globe! The evidence does not show that lockdowns work! Look at California, Florida, similar graphs, with and without lockdowns!
Evidence shows vaccines and improved treatment is working.
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18/02/2021 10:53:36 31 34
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Remember folks, Nicola & Sir Keir Hindsight 'demanded' that we join the EU Procurement & Vaccination Programme

And yet the UK has vaccinated more people than the entire EU

All thanks to Brexit!
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18/02/2021 10:56:03 4 5
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Half doses.
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18/02/2021 10:51:56 5 22
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10,000 people have died in last 2 weeks, vast majority over 75. How many had had the vaccine in Dec/Jan?
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18/02/2021 10:56:05 5 4
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They are delayed figures - the sick spend 2-3 weeks in hospital before dying and most of those died with COVID not OF - first dose for all vaccines gives half the amount of protection
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18/02/2021 10:56:09 8 19
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Bravo !
Roadmap needs to read like this please Boris:
Schools open - 8th March
Shops etc - 22nd March
Hospitality fully open - 1st April (in time for the Easter weekend)
Continue to restrict international arrivals until the summer.
Simple Boris .... make it happen.
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18/02/2021 11:00:37 4 3
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Drivel.
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18/02/2021 11:05:51 1 1
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Open 'hospitality' on April Fool's Day; that fits!
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VoR
18/02/2021 11:18:23 1 0
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Exhibit A: Someone who can't use data to make decisions.
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CJR
18/02/2021 11:29:00 0 0
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What is your plan then if the infection rate starts to go again, before the shops open? All well and good to post what you would like to see, but I fear it’s going to be May before hospitality opens.
You have missed out mixing of households we’re does that figure in your roadmap? Surely that’s more important then shops etc.
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18/02/2021 10:56:10 9 14
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Looks like the bait has been taken.

Let's all celebrate the fact that the government has a tool so successful at "Protecting the NHS", they'll have you begging for it every winter. Duh duh duh.
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18/02/2021 11:01:29 5 0
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Ah all we need, another baseless conspiracy theory peddled by someone with little grip on reality. Grow up.
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18/02/2021 10:56:12 51 2
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Isnt this what the daily charts have been telling us?
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18/02/2021 11:39:05 13 7
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Yes, and now it's the BBC too.
18/02/2021 12:49:55 5 2
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It is but the BBC were still suggesting that the fall in cases might be due to a fall in testing since Christmas only a couple of weeks ago.
That's despite tests actually having risen since Christmas so made even less sense.
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18/02/2021 10:51:37 518 157
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So lockdowns do work then.
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18/02/2021 10:56:19 135 210
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So tier systems don't work then...
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18/02/2021 10:59:37 15 10
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No. Christmas doesn't work, so it's now banned for good.
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18/02/2021 11:12:56 16 2
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"So tier systems don't work then..."

---

They work if implemented sensibly.

This latest wave was exacerbated in London by keeping it artificially in Tier 2 in December.
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18/02/2021 11:13:57 7 0
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They work if you don't treat each area based solely on their economic value.
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18/02/2021 11:40:21 2 1
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Only because people don’t follow guidelines
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18/02/2021 11:49:48 2 3
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With Government Daily Mail.co.. DEMANDING, on it`s front page: `Light the touch paper, (I hope yours) Boris`... and set us free. Does this idiot paper still not get it. Nothing wrong with ultra caution. It works.
It is Covid19 has us in bondage. Not Boris.
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18/02/2021 10:53:36 31 34
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Remember folks, Nicola & Sir Keir Hindsight 'demanded' that we join the EU Procurement & Vaccination Programme

And yet the UK has vaccinated more people than the entire EU

All thanks to Brexit!
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18/02/2021 10:56:32 9 4
bbc
No. Nothing to do with Brexit. We could have opted out of the EU procurement programme whilst still being a member of the EU, if we had wanted to.
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18/02/2021 11:00:27 7 5
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Hush with your inconvenient truths the Gammonz can't take it.........
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18/02/2021 11:00:57 5 2
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yeah, we could have gone rogue like Hungary and hoped the EU wouldn't mind
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18/02/2021 10:56:40 4 19
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London (>10000 daily cases and hundreds of death at least in the UK)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evghQzBt8Y0&t=85s

vs

Shanghai (zero domestic cases and zero death in China)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6EhEfQTKnc

See the difference ?

It is still too early to see the "strong decline" in covid cases

Keep up lockdown before seeing (finger cross) that the vaccines actually work
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OwO
18/02/2021 11:00:37 8 2
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Your first mistake is believing anything that comes out of China. They lied incessantly at the start of this and have been playing silly buggers with the WHO (and rest of the world) since.
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18/02/2021 11:02:41 2 1
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Were so glad you are in China.... and i would not believe a word that you or the chinese government say....
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18/02/2021 11:04:10 1 1
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Or try looking at India where they have seen a massive decline in cases which can't be attributed to vaccine delivery. People like yourself seem to be uninterested in the fact that people in this country are in dire poverty due to the lockdown you see should continue. Pure selfishness
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18/02/2021 11:01:00 0 0
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this headlines put out to get ready for next week
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CJR
18/02/2021 11:24:42 0 0
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My friend I would not believe anything that is on u tube to much fake news, especially if China is involved.
Remind me my friend how effective is 1 Chinese vaccine ?Just over 50%, I think I know where I would rather be.
I feel so sorry,sorry for the people in China.
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18/02/2021 10:53:50 7 12
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“Infections reduced by lockdown” is a rather weak lead story, Beeb.
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18/02/2021 10:56:40 2 3
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Its different this time, we cant keep knocking the BBC....
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18/02/2021 10:56:41 17 28
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It's impossible to eradicate, so let's get some balance. Shame thousands of businesses have been killed to save one ... the NHS. They've done a good job brainwashing us in to this but people are getting wise now. Time is running out to keep us locked up like caged animals.
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18/02/2021 11:00:04 7 2
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It is impossible to eradicate with half-arsed responses. Your nonsense being a fine example of the crap spoken in the last year.
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18/02/2021 11:01:03 0 2
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If only more people thought like you
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18/02/2021 11:04:41 2 0
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You ARE the problem!
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MVP
18/02/2021 10:56:41 47 26
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I do not really think that it takes specialists from Imperial College London to reach the conclusion that coronavirus is in decline.
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18/02/2021 10:58:54 54 107
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you find the finger in the air a good approach do you? You must be a tory or a brexiteer
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18/02/2021 11:01:49 4 8
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It takes all sorts of expensive people to tell us how to live our lives.
404
18/02/2021 11:16:42 3 4
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its not in decline its here to stay ...Imperial College London won't tell you its spread by air travel
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18/02/2021 11:31:31 4 0
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You could have worked it all out yourself? What do you do, count tealeaves or something?
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18/02/2021 11:40:49 3 4
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I stopped reading your post after the word 'think'.
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18/02/2021 10:51:56 5 22
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10,000 people have died in last 2 weeks, vast majority over 75. How many had had the vaccine in Dec/Jan?
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18/02/2021 10:56:44 3 2
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Actually the proportion of over 80s dying as a percentage of all deaths is steadily decreasing and the vaccine would only make a difference to deaths for those who had the vaccine over 5 weeks ago as there's at least 2 weeks before you have good protection and then around 3 weeks average between infection and death and a reporting lag too.
Around 1/3 of over 80s were vaccinated over 5 weeks ago.
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18/02/2021 10:56:44 156 10
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Hopefully we are seeing a way out of this Lockdown and hopefully moving on from this Pandemic, the vaccination program will give us a huge push forward, well done to all who have helped us through this and worked to make our lives safer.
18/02/2021 12:45:12 201 10
bbc
I had a Pfizer 1st jab yesterday at my vaccination hub. The reception area and consulting rooms were packed with people. A real pleasure listening to the quiet hum of conversation. It was managed superbly from the moment I pulled into the car park to the moment I left. Efficient, friendly, reassuring, and for those worried - virtually painless. Total kudos to the NHS and volunteer helpers.
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18/02/2021 10:51:37 518 157
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So lockdowns do work then.
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18/02/2021 10:56:45 28 46
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Shame nobody competent wasn't introducing them earlier and lifting them later previously.
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18/02/2021 11:13:49 2 7
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With your upbeat view on things the BBC would love to have you working for them - or perhaps you already do?
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18/02/2021 11:15:27 1 6
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing
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18/02/2021 10:53:49 12 20
bbc
Good news, and hopefully the vaccine will take effect too. However I can’t help but think that come May we will see images of packed beaches and it will be back to square one.
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18/02/2021 10:56:46 10 1
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We were told that the vaccine was a way out. The vaccine is now being rolled out amazingly well so tes I hope we do see those beaches full of people enjoying themselves!
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VoR
18/02/2021 11:22:08 3 1
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I don't. I think the gov't scientist who opined on this didn't consider the fact that the hordes who cross the country to descend on the beaches cram into motorways services etc on their way, even before you consider any extra activity to stock up for their trip, or activity while at their destination but not on the beach. And from a selfish perspective, too many dump their litter.
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18/02/2021 10:56:51 9 18
bbc
BBC, your presentation of statistics is awful and misleading.

you say " There are just under 4,800 patients in critical care and 6,000 beds available."

.. and 80% of critical beds are occupied.

This is rubbish. There are 1200 beds available. Can't you even do basic GCSE maths ?
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18/02/2021 10:59:24 4 1
bbc
I think what they mean is 4800/6000 = 80% 6000 available for use, not available right now.
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18/02/2021 11:00:08 0 0
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18/02/2021 11:03:34 2 1
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OK AL-76, please demonstrate why 4800 out of 6000 is not 80%.
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18/02/2021 11:04:14 0 0
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UK critical care (level 3) beds are 12,694. Given flexible CC usage it can be amended to approximately 10,000. Research not your strong point ?

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/critical-care-services-nhs
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VoR
18/02/2021 11:15:03 0 1
bbc
Apparently you can't, since what you are saying is the same as what they are saying.
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18/02/2021 10:56:59 6 18
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yes the snow and cold weather had a big impact on the spread of the Virus
Boris thinking he is god will of course claim this success thinking he controls
the weather
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18/02/2021 10:59:11 2 0
bbc
Actually you can control the weather, it's called cloud seeding.
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18/02/2021 11:02:02 0 0
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Ridiculous comment
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kh
18/02/2021 11:01:12 0 0
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Politicians do not have godlike powers to control microscopic particles.
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18/02/2021 10:53:49 12 20
bbc
Good news, and hopefully the vaccine will take effect too. However I can’t help but think that come May we will see images of packed beaches and it will be back to square one.
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18/02/2021 10:57:00 6 0
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Is there any evidence that packed summer beaches causes any infection spikes last summer?
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18/02/2021 11:02:35 3 0
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Scientist stated yesterday that crowded beach like Bournemouth caused no spike in infections.
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OwO
18/02/2021 11:02:51 5 0
bbc
Less evidence than that which shows how the virus is killed quickly by UV light and doesn't last particularly long in the air anyway.

Obviously that still requires some distancing, but there's no reason the beaches can't be enjoyed sensibly.
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18/02/2021 11:07:42 1 0
bbc
No, there have been no outbreaks at all linked to packed beaches and also tourist resorts like Bournemouth had hardly any cases at all all through the summer, with many days of zero cases.
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18/02/2021 10:51:58 19 45
bbc
OPeN ThE GODdAmN PuBS ToDAy.
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18/02/2021 10:57:01 7 2
bbc
It is not a pub you need, it is a school. Just look at your typing.
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18/02/2021 10:53:36 31 34
bbc
Remember folks, Nicola & Sir Keir Hindsight 'demanded' that we join the EU Procurement & Vaccination Programme

And yet the UK has vaccinated more people than the entire EU

All thanks to Brexit!
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18/02/2021 10:57:11 2 8
bbc
But the EU have given 2 jabs. We have only given one.
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18/02/2021 10:58:19 7 1
bbc
source?
29
18/02/2021 10:55:37 3 6
bbc
Never in a million years could we have predicted this!
51
18/02/2021 10:57:18 4 4
bbc
Unless someone read the Cygnus report.........
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18/02/2021 10:51:37 518 157
bbc
So lockdowns do work then.
52
18/02/2021 10:57:21 34 10
bbc
How much is vaccines, how much is lockdown. Hopefully we will know soon. Lockdowns cannot be be the only answer.
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18/02/2021 11:03:47 15 14
bbc
We don't know how much Covid spread there is from vaccinated folk yet. Patience please.
223
18/02/2021 11:10:08 0 0
bbc
Exactly, some on here throw the word around like confetti, thinking it helps everything.
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18/02/2021 10:57:57 7 11
bbc
But the incidence is still high - over 10,000 per day. And isn't this the result of the government's decision to permit more economic activity compared to March 2020? When this pandemic recedes there needs to be a purge in Bojo's cabinet.
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18/02/2021 11:00:50 1 2
bbc
Except for Monday which was below 10,000 and 10,000 a day is not particularly high. That's the same rate as early October and testing has increased since then.
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kh
18/02/2021 11:00:38 0 0
bbc
There are false positive results we never really told about that.

Currently there are less PCR amplification cycles. That should reduce the number of false positives is this a coincidence.
465
18/02/2021 11:29:57 0 0
bbc
Starting at the top!
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Leo
18/02/2021 10:58:00 8 14
bbc
Example of cutting edge BBC news reporting lockdowns reduce infection rate!

So this is the top notch news reporting that we are forced to pay for. What next from the BBC? People who reduce their calorie intake, and exercise lose weight.
147
18/02/2021 11:04:51 2 0
bbc
What an inane and pointless comment that was.
175
RCG
18/02/2021 11:06:57 0 0
bbc
There are a large number of Covid deniers - "it's only like flu" - who deny the link between lockdown and infection.
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18/02/2021 11:07:57 0 0
bbc
Stats come from UCL not the BBC. If your not interested in studies from British Universities reported on the BBC, then read the Hate Mail. Turn to page 2, the front page is the usual rant about ending the lockdown yesterday if not sooner.
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kh
18/02/2021 10:59:35 0 0
bbc
Do they reduce infection rates? Infection rates dropped last time when we were not wearing masks.
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VoR
18/02/2021 11:09:26 0 0
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Don't forget a large minority of the population don't believe lockdowns reduce the infection rate, because it isn't convenient for them to believe that.

For that reason, it is important to have a voice that restates the correct position, otherwise the only voices will be those stating the incorrect one.
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18/02/2021 10:58:07 152 43
bbc
Boris says we want to test hundreds of thousands of people/day.
He also says we cannot unlock until we are at under 1,000 positive cases per day.
At the false positive rate of up to 4.3% (https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/falsepositivityrateofthecovid19pcrtest), hundreds of thousands of test/day would see us NEVER slacken restrictions.
94
18/02/2021 11:00:47 75 29
bbc
But so many people can't see this yet spend their time complaining about restrictions it's laughable really
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VoR
18/02/2021 11:08:06 9 8
bbc
I presume they mean after adjusting for false positives. Also, false positives can be cut back massively by means of a confirmatory test.
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KP
18/02/2021 11:10:16 44 1
bbc
The ‘data’ that determines whether to ease lockdown should NOT be based on number of new cases. New cases will increase when lockdown is eased. The vaccine will make cases less serious.

The determining ‘data’ should be based on threat to NHS capacity (i.e. hospitalisations) and death rates.

When deaths and hospitalisations are at similar levels to influenza we should return to normal.
316
18/02/2021 11:10:42 1 9
bbc
borders are open
457
18/02/2021 11:29:10 8 1
bbc
They can just sping the cycles down on the PCR to <25 - job done. Makes it look like the vaccine and lockdown worked etc. Easy.
830
18/02/2021 11:55:42 0 9
bbc
Please stop posting fake stats that you clearly don't understand. It helps noone and just makes you look silly.

The ONS response states the specificity is above 99.9%; specificity is the technical term for false positive rate.

The ONS survey had less than 0.05% of PCR tests coming back positive last June, so the false positive rate can't be significantly higher than that.
18/02/2021 12:50:27 3 1
bbc
Mr Hammer meet Mr Nail square on the head, great post JP94
18/02/2021 12:54:58 6 1
bbc
And they didnt build those lighthouse labs for nothing, they arent going to close them down anytime soon, the Government want mass testing to stay forever (it wil start with Covid and then be expanded to other things, all of which will go on your health passport, that has been the hidden agenda from day 1)
Removed
18/02/2021 16:50:07 2 1
bbc
Precisely ! The hidden agenda of those wonderful guys on the SAGE group
Removed
18/02/2021 17:58:15 0 0
bbc
Welcome to your new life. This is the new normal... https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/10/work-business-as-usual-covid19-leadership/
19/02/2021 09:05:33 0 0
bbc
Exactly they have already removed the info from that link!
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18/02/2021 10:53:31 15 18
bbc
Watch them reopen schools too early and be surprised when the infection rate skyrockets
56
18/02/2021 10:58:11 7 4
bbc
They cant keep closed forever. Kids are low risk and any elderly or vulnerable family members should have been vaccinated by then so it should be safer.
1
18/02/2021 10:51:37 518 157
bbc
So lockdowns do work then.
57
18/02/2021 10:58:19 19 26
bbc
They always did, but at least we have evidence to prove it.

I'm just waiting for the goal posts to change. they wont care that they work but will shift focus to the societal and health cost of locking down (which is the best case to make tbf). Yet i can guarantee that 90% of these people didnt even think about mental health sufferers until they could use them for their agenda.
146
18/02/2021 11:04:44 34 8
bbc
Restoring normal life is not a partisan "agenda", it is fundamental to a liberal democratic state
239
18/02/2021 11:10:47 3 4
bbc
What a stupid and insensitive comment
508
18/02/2021 11:34:08 6 4
bbc
Well no they didn't. We've had 3 a year on and only now is the vaccine seen to be starting to make a difference. Don't forget the virus thrives in the cold winter weather, but not in the summer anyway. Lock down just presses the pause button, little else.
50
18/02/2021 10:57:11 2 8
bbc
But the EU have given 2 jabs. We have only given one.
58
18/02/2021 10:58:19 7 1
bbc
source?
233
18/02/2021 11:02:27 3 4
bbc
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
Here is the data which shows that, in terms of fully vaccinated population (2 doses or as per manufacturer guidance), the UK are starting to really fall behind most other countries. Hope this helps.
29
18/02/2021 10:55:37 3 6
bbc
Never in a million years could we have predicted this!
59
18/02/2021 10:58:29 1 1
bbc
Odd that a pandemic is top of the National Risk Register yet our shambolic government weren't prepared for it..........
190
18/02/2021 11:08:03 0 0
bbc
Spending all our money on a once in century occurrence is wasteful.

Were there any other governments ready? Even the sainted Australians were caught off guard and had to wing it.
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18/02/2021 10:53:49 12 20
bbc
Good news, and hopefully the vaccine will take effect too. However I can’t help but think that come May we will see images of packed beaches and it will be back to square one.
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18/02/2021 10:58:37 4 0
bbc
And yet Sage says, "There were no outbreaks linked to crowded beaches, there’s never been a Covid-19 outbreak linked to a beach ever anywhere in the world to the best of my knowledge.”
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18/02/2021 10:53:36 21 10
bbc
Recipe for disaster.
61
18/02/2021 10:58:41 1 3
bbc
In a shaking glass with ice, combine pineapple vodka, pineapple rum, and melon liqueur. Shake well.
Build a glass using ice cubes, kiwi slices, and blueberries.
Strain the mix over and add lemon lime soda.
In a shaking glass with ice, combine champagne and blue curaçao. Stir to mix.
Add crushed ice to the serving glass and pour the mix over.
Garnish with more blueberries and kiwi slices.
134
18/02/2021 11:04:02 2 1
bbc
Sounds nice, let's call it Disaster.
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18/02/2021 10:54:59 14 12
bbc
Boris has continually said that restrictions will be in place no longer than they need to be. Well on the basis of this evidence it seems perfectly reasonable to go to Tier 4 across the country and at least allow people to meet loved ones outdoors with the "rule of six".
62
18/02/2021 10:58:48 7 9
bbc
Need to keep restrictions in place for longer. At least until data can be studied from vaccination programme.
63
18/02/2021 10:58:52 31 21
bbc
so the UK OUTPERFORMED the EU in vaccine delivery?
104
18/02/2021 11:01:33 34 9
bbc
Its not a race with each other, its a global race
124
18/02/2021 11:03:31 13 5
bbc
If your looking for support for brexit I guess you need to put down the EU but what you might not realise is that peoples lives in the EU are equal to yours. If we don't vaccinate everyone fast we lose control of mutations. That's the whole world. So wave your silly wee flag but it's not impressing anyone but yourself.
157
18/02/2021 11:05:28 10 4
bbc
You find that satisfying ?

Very strange. It takes all sorts, I suppose.
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VoR
18/02/2021 11:07:10 10 3
bbc
Yes, but:
1. EU members didn't have to join the EU vaccine scheme, so we could have done just as well even if we were in the EU.
2. We could also have given early emergency vaccine approval if in the EU.

So what point are you trying to make?

We did underperform the vast majority of the EU in terms of controlling the spread of the virus.
362
18/02/2021 11:18:40 5 1
bbc
I received the Pfizer vaccine which was made in Germany.
International co-operation is vital in dealing with a world-wide problem.
410
18/02/2021 11:18:52 4 9
bbc
UK developed its own vaccine. Remoaners angry
458
18/02/2021 11:29:16 4 2
bbc
Yes. Have you just woken up from a long sleep? PS we outperformed them in deaths too!
18/02/2021 12:18:23 1 1
bbc
Boris and his accolytes got lucky.
18/02/2021 12:19:34 1 1
bbc
Just to remind you, we also invented football. Didn't take them long to get better than us at that either.
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MVP
18/02/2021 10:56:41 47 26
bbc
I do not really think that it takes specialists from Imperial College London to reach the conclusion that coronavirus is in decline.
64
18/02/2021 10:58:54 54 107
bbc
you find the finger in the air a good approach do you? You must be a tory or a brexiteer
128
18/02/2021 11:03:47 17 8
bbc
Grow up stygis
162
18/02/2021 11:05:54 9 10
bbc
Funny, i dont understand why you got so many negative votes for that comment
381
CJR
18/02/2021 11:21:02 6 7
bbc
What have either got to do with this HYS? Not a good way to try scoring cheap political points.
BJ has done his best with the lockdowns, buts it’s a impossible task when we have so many experts that think they know better, and do what they want, it’s these irresponsible people that are prolonging this lockdown.
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18/02/2021 11:45:48 4 1
bbc
If that’s the best you could come up with I don’t know why you bother....must be a Liberal with those tiresome comments
18/02/2021 12:45:46 2 1
bbc
And you must be a defeated and angry Remoaner.
18/02/2021 14:04:35 1 0
bbc
There is always one who can’t leave his/her/its dogmatic political opinion out of the equation for even a minute
65
18/02/2021 10:59:00 6 5
bbc
The pandemic equation:

Scientists + British Public + NHS = a better future for us all!
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18/02/2021 11:02:30 8 7
bbc
Boris + Crisis = 120k
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18/02/2021 11:28:33 0 0
bbc
80% of the British public. Added to which those who refuse the vaccine (for whatever reason) are setting us all back.
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18/02/2021 10:52:41 32 24
bbc
Proof positive that a lockdown works. Throw a vaccine into the mix and we have hope for the future. We should have locked down earlier and firmer each time and lives would have been saved. Tens of thousands of them.
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Bob
18/02/2021 10:59:01 12 6
bbc
It is amusing because the 'lockdowns don't work' brigade previously claimed that the cases and deaths were just following natural seasonal patterns.

And yes you could draw that correlation. Until now.

Proof indeed.
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18/02/2021 11:13:46 3 0
bbc
I don't think you'll find many scientists who will claim there is no seasonal effect - Chris Whitty has made clear all respiratory viruses have this effect on numerous occasions.
That does not mean that cases cannot rise in summer or cannot fall in Winter, it simply means it is easier to get the R rate below 1 in summer than it is in winter.
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edd
18/02/2021 11:22:46 0 1
bbc
If anything this proves that prior high infection rate is the biggest contributor to lower current rates. South Wales and London had over 1000 per 100K for weeks London 2 -3 weeks behind South Wales lockdown had very little effect on reducing current rates (does slow spread)if it did it would happen 2 weeks after it didn't it fell once around 15% of the general population had been infected.
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18/02/2021 10:52:46 32 21
bbc
The media and SAGE will have to really strain their vocal cords to talk negatively about this.
67
18/02/2021 10:59:08 5 5
bbc
I'm sure they'll manage somehow. It will be a new strain from Timbuktoo...
5
18/02/2021 10:52:46 32 21
bbc
The media and SAGE will have to really strain their vocal cords to talk negatively about this.
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18/02/2021 10:59:11 5 2
bbc
Well it's the BBC reporting it in a positive light... so....

Ever think you might have that tinfoil hat on a bit too tightly?
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18/02/2021 10:56:59 6 18
bbc
yes the snow and cold weather had a big impact on the spread of the Virus
Boris thinking he is god will of course claim this success thinking he controls
the weather
69
18/02/2021 10:59:11 2 0
bbc
Actually you can control the weather, it's called cloud seeding.
25
18/02/2021 10:55:14 28 4
bbc
"Still worryingly high" seems to be their favourite.
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18/02/2021 10:59:18 4 3
bbc
"there is no evidence" is the another trick. When there is no evidence either way.
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18/02/2021 10:56:51 9 18
bbc
BBC, your presentation of statistics is awful and misleading.

you say " There are just under 4,800 patients in critical care and 6,000 beds available."

.. and 80% of critical beds are occupied.

This is rubbish. There are 1200 beds available. Can't you even do basic GCSE maths ?
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18/02/2021 10:59:24 4 1
bbc
I think what they mean is 4800/6000 = 80% 6000 available for use, not available right now.
126
18/02/2021 11:03:34 0 1
bbc
Yes, you are right. Perhaps it's GCSE English the BBC cannot do. I'd expect more for paying £157.50 pa.
72
18/02/2021 10:59:34 84 5
bbc
Good news - with rates dropping and the vaccine getting out there maybe the light at the end of the tunnel is no longer an on-coming train.
18/02/2021 17:48:58 16 2
bbc
Why 3 downticks is beyond comprehension
18/02/2021 18:00:16 0 0
bbc
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18/02/2021 10:55:23 12 19
bbc
And higher death rates than the EU but yeah keep on believing in the Cult
73
18/02/2021 10:59:35 6 6
bbc
if there is any Cult people follow in Europe it's the EU Commission masters
74
18/02/2021 10:59:35 5 11
bbc
Still waiting for an apology from China taking into account this has crippled the world. Or did I miss it.
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CJR
18/02/2021 11:15:53 1 0
bbc
Think we will have a long wait, they are now claiming it was brought in by someone visiting, funnily enough it did not appear anywhere else, until after the outbreak in China. The only thing they have done right is to have hard lockdowns.
75
18/02/2021 10:59:36 9 7
bbc
There are so many worrying messages at the moment. NHS warning Govt not to relax measures for months as it will take ages to get back to 'normal'. Pubs could be shut for another 11 weeks. Distancing in schools. limited social interaction (outdoors only 2 people). More restrictions coming back in Winter and on and on and on.

Doesn't feel like this vaccine it going to change very much quickly.
96
18/02/2021 11:00:56 2 8
bbc
Still 12 months plus of lockdown. It is a success, why end it.
202
18/02/2021 11:08:42 4 0
bbc
There will always be the over cautious....and let’s not forget there are a lot of vocal people in the public eye that are also pushing personal agendas, both positive and negative. There is still the need for caution yes...but we now need a balanced approach going forward, ignoring the fanatics on both sides of the lockdown debate
235
18/02/2021 11:02:46 1 3
bbc
It was the 'normal' behaviour of millions of people that created the need for government intervention.
Return to 'normal' or change the way we do things, that is the issue.
446
18/02/2021 11:27:29 0 1
bbc
Correct, it's a marathon not a sprint, but at least the starting gun has been fired.
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18/02/2021 10:56:19 135 210
bbc
So tier systems don't work then...
76
18/02/2021 10:59:37 15 10
bbc
No. Christmas doesn't work, so it's now banned for good.
139
18/02/2021 11:04:14 13 20
bbc
Good. Bloody expensive con.
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kh
18/02/2021 11:08:06 3 2
bbc
If the mindless allow Christmas to be cancelled forever, then it will be cancelled forever.
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18/02/2021 10:53:39 5 5
bbc
That's a bit of a backtrack from their study less than a month ago https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55736239.
Then they concluded that infections were still rising in January because there were in higher in early January than early December, failing to take into account that all other data showed infections had risen substantially in December before falling in January.
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18/02/2021 10:59:42 3 2
bbc
Just shows what a terrible conclusion that was for them to make then and this latest data must be quite embarrassing for them as it proves their model of how infections grew from early December to mid January was completely inaccurate.
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18/02/2021 10:53:49 12 20
bbc
Good news, and hopefully the vaccine will take effect too. However I can’t help but think that come May we will see images of packed beaches and it will be back to square one.
78
18/02/2021 10:59:45 6 0
bbc
No evidence apparently that packed beaches had any affect on infection rates. Main problem was littering and human excrement.
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18/02/2021 10:53:51 940 40
bbc
Good! Long may the drop continue, both from a self-indulgent perspective (I want to see my friends, I want my kids back at school and I want a pint down the pub) and a wider perspective where I don't want people dying unnecessarily, getting sick unnecessarily and being stressed out.
79
18/02/2021 10:59:52 261 407
bbc
One thing I don't understand is that we hit 21000 in hospital in April and we had to lockdown to "save the NHS"
This winter we hit 39000 and we're locked down again. Is the NHS much more flexible than we are being told?
133
18/02/2021 11:03:52 145 35
bbc
Some people do need to see the NHS collapse before they believe.
136
18/02/2021 11:04:07 111 44
bbc
It seems there are several things you don't understand based on that comment.
165
18/02/2021 11:06:10 156 6
bbc
I'm guessing the NHS was a lot more prepared this time round.
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18/02/2021 11:06:54 133 1
bbc
I suspect a mixture of it being slightly better prepared this time, along with being slightly closer to meltdown. Plus patients in hospital is a different to patients in critical care (ICU) beds. They're the stats that cause the real jeopardy.
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18/02/2021 11:07:47 92 19
bbc
its becuase we were more prepared this time . Its not rocket science to understand
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18/02/2021 11:11:16 109 1
bbc
We know a bit more about the virus now. We have more of an idea how to treat it and when to administer treatments. (We even have a vaccines that even if they don’t stop people getting it they reduce the symptoms.)

In April we had nothing to go on. A new disease without a known treatment plan.
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18/02/2021 11:12:18 63 8
bbc
Because, believe it or not, compliance with the rules has been extremely high.

Their models didn't take into account in April the high prevalence of asymptomatic cases and that lots of people would actually follow the rules.

The wheels fell off because of the new mutations mid December.
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18/02/2021 11:13:12 116 3
bbc
Yes the NHS is flexible. The amazing staff learnt new skills during the first lockdown and implemented them. The learning curve was steep but they worked incredible hard to make sure they could deal with a winter lockdown during the worst times.
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18/02/2021 11:24:17 24 9
bbc
Your absolutely correct. You don't understand. Do you think the NHS isn't capable of evolving to cope with this situation? Do you think the NHS would keep doing things the same way, without improving? If you do, I hope you realize that is the definition of madness.
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CJR
18/02/2021 11:31:58 22 3
bbc
Nope, they used the summer to bring in the resources for this winter, when the irresponsible people thought it was over in the summer, just as well they did looking at the infections for this winter.
498
18/02/2021 11:32:56 9 5
bbc
Yes the NHS system will gracefully degrade because so many of the professionals do far more than their job spec calls for so being overwhelmed is a process rather tahn a specific tipping point.
512
18/02/2021 11:34:26 4 0
bbc
My understanding is that there was uncertainty at the beginning and once numbers started rising above expectation we had the lockdown. There was then no expectation of a second wave (not in my hospital, at least) so numbers went up dramatically. I think it was down to a case of not noing what to expect!
565
18/02/2021 11:37:51 8 4
bbc
Like most institutions, HM Forces, NHS, etc is staffed by people who will do what they can with what they have. That's not to say the NHS behemoth isn't a gaping maw that the entire GDP could be sunk into and there would still be cries for funding.
There has to be a point at which any Govt says that enough is enough. Bed capacity for 30K or 3M seriously ill citizens? The list could go on and in.
593
18/02/2021 11:40:21 4 1
bbc
In a word - NO.
695
18/02/2021 11:47:39 4 0
bbc
Actually - YES!
770
18/02/2021 11:51:34 10 0
bbc
In April, no one knew when admissions would stop. Couple that with a shortage of PPE and a general lack of preparedness. Now, they have seen it before, have PPE, and have some ways to improve patient outcomes.
964
18/02/2021 12:09:58 4 0
bbc
Partly it's down to better treatments keeping people out of the ICU. Intensive care capacity and staffing has been the biggest problem, not hospital beds as such.
980
18/02/2021 12:12:13 3 0
bbc
Not at all. Entire buildings are being turned into covid wards, with lights slowly being turned off as numbers drop. Surgical theaters being used as recovery wards. More PPE and better safety equipment for staff.
Sadly this means people are going to be waiting another year to have their "less than urgent" problems sorted. Quite a price to pay imo.
18/02/2021 12:32:22 3 0
bbc
No they are just under even more pressure than before and unlike many of us have no choice than to just get on with it.
18/02/2021 12:43:15 2 1
bbc
The thing that you "don't understand" isn't the flexibility of the NHS, it is the concept of Exponential Growth. You need to look a simple maths book!
80
18/02/2021 11:00:02 4 6
bbc
Surely sending the kids back March 8th is only going to delay everything...
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18/02/2021 11:01:47 2 1
bbc
Delay everything? That is everything to the children.
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CJR
18/02/2021 11:13:43 1 1
bbc
Kids I appreciate need education, but if another spike appears once they are back, Scotland will be a good guide, unfortunately schools may have to shut along with universities for the foreseeable future. The economy must take priority, these kids will have no future if the economy is in its current state, boarding schools could be the way to go.
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18/02/2021 10:56:41 17 28
bbc
It's impossible to eradicate, so let's get some balance. Shame thousands of businesses have been killed to save one ... the NHS. They've done a good job brainwashing us in to this but people are getting wise now. Time is running out to keep us locked up like caged animals.
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18/02/2021 11:00:04 7 2
bbc
It is impossible to eradicate with half-arsed responses. Your nonsense being a fine example of the crap spoken in the last year.
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VoR
18/02/2021 11:17:03 1 0
bbc
Not to mention that the failure of the NHS would mean a vast uptick in mortality, and the failure of pubs means a small uptick in unemployment and fewer options for socialising. Also the failure of the NHS would have been inevitable, whereas the failure of the pub industry as a whole would not.
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18/02/2021 11:00:07 3 4
bbc
It's as if we aren't able to check on a daily basis what infection rates are in any given postcode. Until the daily rate is less than 1,000 infections, lockdown is going to continue in one form or another. And even after that, we're now being prepared for postcode specific lockdowns.
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18/02/2021 11:06:30 0 0
bbc
1000...most of wales is now below 100 per 100000
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18/02/2021 11:00:08 1 3
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Do lockdowns work? It is interesting that the main waves - last April, Oct/Nov in N. England and Dec/Jan in S England all peter out after 15-20% of the population are infected rather than the 60-80% suggested by herd immunity. Perhaps this is because 15-20% don't folow social distancing and they will infect each other until they've all caught it and then we get 5-8 months off due to antibodies.
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VoR
18/02/2021 11:03:36 1 0
bbc
They peter out as a result of (almost) proper lockdowns.
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18/02/2021 10:56:51 9 18
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BBC, your presentation of statistics is awful and misleading.

you say " There are just under 4,800 patients in critical care and 6,000 beds available."

.. and 80% of critical beds are occupied.

This is rubbish. There are 1200 beds available. Can't you even do basic GCSE maths ?
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18/02/2021 11:00:08 0 0
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18/02/2021 11:00:22 3 11
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Why wait until March 8th before re-opening schools? Why is Boris slow to lockdown and to release lockdown? Why does Boris dither?
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18/02/2021 11:03:22 2 2
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Probably because the aim is to reduce cases as far as possible so that if there is a sudden increase the health service can manage?
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CJR
18/02/2021 11:10:31 3 1
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Because he has the information and data, and you do not.
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18/02/2021 10:56:32 9 4
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No. Nothing to do with Brexit. We could have opted out of the EU procurement programme whilst still being a member of the EU, if we had wanted to.
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18/02/2021 11:00:27 7 5
bbc
Hush with your inconvenient truths the Gammonz can't take it.........
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18/02/2021 11:00:27 6 9
bbc
Good. Now let's start unlocking. Outdoor recreation first and allow households to mix with limited numbers. We all need to see our relatives again.
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18/02/2021 11:00:31 12 7
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This is excellent news but let's not get carried away. We need to lock down longer and harder to appease the lockdown lovers and ensure there is nothing left to come back to.
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18/02/2021 11:00:32 4 5
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Its fallen less in the North because pretty much we have been in lock down since November where as in the south and London Boris left all the pubs open when ours were shut.

If you go from a rate of 800 to 400 that's a steeper decline than 200 to 150. The rate in my region has been below 150 per 100,000 for about 2 months now - yet our kids schools are still shut!!!
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18/02/2021 11:14:42 2 0
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You got the Kent variant later then us in the south so the drop in the North’s infection will show later as well. It’s not the fault of the people of the south or North it just how it happened.
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18/02/2021 11:00:35 6 10
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The only restriction that worked was closing the schools and it'll be be the first thing to be reversed - cautious approach is laughable. Like using a gallon a gallon of petrol instead of a roll of newspaper to light a fire. Open it all up if you're gonna open the schools !
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18/02/2021 10:56:40 4 19
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London (>10000 daily cases and hundreds of death at least in the UK)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evghQzBt8Y0&t=85s

vs

Shanghai (zero domestic cases and zero death in China)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6EhEfQTKnc

See the difference ?

It is still too early to see the "strong decline" in covid cases

Keep up lockdown before seeing (finger cross) that the vaccines actually work
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OwO
18/02/2021 11:00:37 8 2
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Your first mistake is believing anything that comes out of China. They lied incessantly at the start of this and have been playing silly buggers with the WHO (and rest of the world) since.
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18/02/2021 11:04:41 0 3
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I AM right now in China to avoid the lockdown UK since last Sept and saw in my eyes how they the Chinese take control of the virus
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VoR
18/02/2021 11:17:33 0 0
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There are other examples besides China.
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CJR
18/02/2021 11:25:10 0 0
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Buts it’s the only thing made in China that lasts.
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18/02/2021 10:56:09 8 19
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Bravo !
Roadmap needs to read like this please Boris:
Schools open - 8th March
Shops etc - 22nd March
Hospitality fully open - 1st April (in time for the Easter weekend)
Continue to restrict international arrivals until the summer.
Simple Boris .... make it happen.
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18/02/2021 11:00:37 4 3
bbc
Drivel.
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18/02/2021 11:00:39 59 29
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Here we go: things are finally moving in the right direction so the impatient numpties* will demand we open up too soon and ruin it all, setting us right back. Bear in mind the fantastic vac programme has still only HALF vaccinated 16 million people and that will eventually give maybe 65% protection. Long road ahead!

* Notably the CRG Con MPs and their intellectually challenged followers.
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18/02/2021 11:03:48 52 22
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And here we go...the ultra cautious doom and gloom brigade are out determined to send this country back into the dark ages. I am sure intelligent people can find a compromise. Vaccines have changed the landscape this time compared to where we were previously. So yes it is a little time yet but not the long road you pessimists would like
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18/02/2021 11:17:42 3 1
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travel industry already wants people to go on holiday around EU which is full of covid
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VEE
18/02/2021 11:52:51 2 0
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It can't be too long delayed on many counts. Open just a few things & people will crowd in as they've been locked up too long with little else to do in lighter evenings. If pubs can't open soon, with no social distancing they will go bust. Worse of all is offering something and snatching it away just before it will come into force. That's a torture tactic and ruins business. Surely not the plan??
18/02/2021 12:22:03 0 7
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Dear numpty I think you will find they have more qualifications and iq than you.
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18/02/2021 10:58:07 152 43
bbc
Boris says we want to test hundreds of thousands of people/day.
He also says we cannot unlock until we are at under 1,000 positive cases per day.
At the false positive rate of up to 4.3% (https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/falsepositivityrateofthecovid19pcrtest), hundreds of thousands of test/day would see us NEVER slacken restrictions.
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18/02/2021 11:00:47 75 29
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But so many people can't see this yet spend their time complaining about restrictions it's laughable really
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CJR
18/02/2021 11:17:24 5 12
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People don’t think it applies to them, that’s been the problem here the majority of the population have absolutely no common sense.
18/02/2021 16:15:50 3 0
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Can you explain that? JP94 pointed out one of the wonders of the PCR test that benefits any Government who runs them - 'want more infections Test more or raise the cycles - want fewer, test fewer or reduce the cycles' - NOW that is the type of test you want if you want to control the narrative. AND that is why complaining at the restrictions is sensible, that and the fact lock-down doesn't work.
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18/02/2021 10:57:57 7 11
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But the incidence is still high - over 10,000 per day. And isn't this the result of the government's decision to permit more economic activity compared to March 2020? When this pandemic recedes there needs to be a purge in Bojo's cabinet.
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18/02/2021 11:00:50 1 2
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Except for Monday which was below 10,000 and 10,000 a day is not particularly high. That's the same rate as early October and testing has increased since then.
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VoR
18/02/2021 11:13:08 0 0
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It's pretty high. Don't be fooled by the fact it got more out of control. If you look at Hong Kong, who have about a tenth of our population but a dense population, and whose uptick in testing aligns reasonably well with ours, our daily total is about their total for the whole pandemic. Even if you scale up their population it still only takes us 10 days to hit their total for the pandemic.
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18/02/2021 10:59:36 9 7
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There are so many worrying messages at the moment. NHS warning Govt not to relax measures for months as it will take ages to get back to 'normal'. Pubs could be shut for another 11 weeks. Distancing in schools. limited social interaction (outdoors only 2 people). More restrictions coming back in Winter and on and on and on.

Doesn't feel like this vaccine it going to change very much quickly.
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18/02/2021 11:00:56 2 8
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Still 12 months plus of lockdown. It is a success, why end it.
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18/02/2021 11:03:51 1 0
bbc
If we only have one measure of 'success' we are missing so much.
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18/02/2021 11:00:56 55 24
bbc
Human contact promotes viral transmission.

Lockdowns limit contact.

Viral spread reduces in lockdown.

Obvious?
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18/02/2021 11:33:43 18 28
bbc
So why were infection rates were falling at the start of each national - easy to check by looking at daily admissions pushed back 11 days.
Maybe forcing young folk to spend more time in cramped poorly ventilated multigenerational housing causes more transmission than closing safer venues?
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18/02/2021 11:51:28 1 0
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It may reduce but will not eliminate!
18/02/2021 12:42:39 7 4
bbc
Let’s all lockdown forever then, until no one dies again?!
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18/02/2021 10:56:32 9 4
bbc
No. Nothing to do with Brexit. We could have opted out of the EU procurement programme whilst still being a member of the EU, if we had wanted to.
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18/02/2021 11:00:57 5 2
bbc
yeah, we could have gone rogue like Hungary and hoped the EU wouldn't mind
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18/02/2021 10:56:41 17 28
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It's impossible to eradicate, so let's get some balance. Shame thousands of businesses have been killed to save one ... the NHS. They've done a good job brainwashing us in to this but people are getting wise now. Time is running out to keep us locked up like caged animals.
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18/02/2021 11:01:03 0 2
bbc
If only more people thought like you
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18/02/2021 11:01:14 228 38
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Ok that’s good covid is finally less deadly, however the elephant in the room is late cancer diagnosis due to current restrictions. This is real and will be the next catastrophe unless action is taken now. You can’t say it’s acceptable for some to die but not others. There needs to be action from the government on this now, not to mention the FACT that poverty kills, which is the other elephant!
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18/02/2021 11:02:41 100 10
bbc
So many elephants ......
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18/02/2021 11:39:32 26 0
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I was diagnosed as having cancer last June and have been receiving treatment since then from some very hard working NHS staff.
So it's not true to say that they are only doing Covid work although that may be slowing some treatments.
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18/02/2021 11:51:46 6 3
bbc
It's been less deadly since march 2020 when it was downgraded by the government.
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18/02/2021 12:06:47 7 0
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I understand what you are saying and basically agree with you. But let's not forget the expression 'hell on earth'. Some people have stayed physically healthy but have suffered in some many other ways.
18/02/2021 12:52:24 0 0
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Not to mention that big grey rhino like animal with the long nose and big teath standing in the corner
18/02/2021 14:17:58 5 0
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Agreed. But if the local hospital is full with covid patients, and large numbers of NHS staff are sick with covid all other services would automatically stop anyway. Did you want to wait until then?
18/02/2021 17:21:59 1 2
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The same poverty that ... at my youngest's school, allows lots of free food to go to waste but ALL the vouchers get taken up that are offered out .... A lot of poverty is confused with lazy, self-entitled living !