Hospital waiting list 'may double to 10m by April'
17/02/2021 | news | health | 655
There could be a surge in demand from delayed referrals and delays to treatment, a think tank warns.
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17/02/2021 10:06:17 147 51
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Waiting list for what? There is no illness anymore other than Covid.
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17/02/2021 10:09:06 79 30
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Yeah, covid trumps everything and nothing else seems to matter, be it other physical ailments or mental wellbeing.
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17/02/2021 10:11:46 8 3
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It will all be fine when Johnson recruits his 50,000 nurses and builds the promised 40 new hospitals.
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17/02/2021 10:19:32 6 8
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But at least we’re protecting the NHS right?
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17/02/2021 10:22:17 7 5
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The answer of this right wing think tank is to use private sector provision, sorted by the royal college of surgeons. Another Tory plot to privatise healthy care, don't fall for it
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17/02/2021 10:37:53 8 1
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_(think_tank)

This is Reform, the right wing think tank. Backed by BUPA and other private health care providers. Their agenda is to privatise health care.
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17/02/2021 11:40:23 1 1
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I need a hip replacement....due to covid
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17/02/2021 16:43:59 1 0
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That is only according to you. They have to prioritize dealing with COVID-19 as it is a very contagious and dangerous disease to help prevent more people from getting infected.

That doesn't mean that other procedures for other illnesses are not happening, only slowed down.

How do you still not understand these basics at this stage of the pandemic... Embarrassing.
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17/02/2021 10:07:58 10 10
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A 3 word slogan and some mumbling hyperbole needed. Boris?
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17/02/2021 10:06:17 147 51
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Waiting list for what? There is no illness anymore other than Covid.
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17/02/2021 10:09:06 79 30
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Yeah, covid trumps everything and nothing else seems to matter, be it other physical ailments or mental wellbeing.
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xlr
17/02/2021 10:20:59 14 8
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Can't run a hospital if your beds are full of covid patients.

Can't run a country if you're forced to tell people who can't breathe to go home and die.
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17/02/2021 10:23:02 9 7
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Funny, there was a story on the inadequacies of the mental health service a few days ago and there were <20 comments, but on a HYS on COVID there were hundreds of comments worrying about peoples mental health...

the fact that you lot didn't even look or respond to the other article shows you don't really care about mental health and just use it as a political football... disgusting
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17/02/2021 10:37:10 5 4
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Campaign to expand NHS funding rather than denigrating it.
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17/02/2021 10:10:02 219 44
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How can there be a sixth of the population waiting for hospital treatment? I know many more than 6 people and no one is waiting for hospital treatment. I'd like to know who this 10 million is made up off and why we are so sick as a society that one in six of us are waiting for hospital treatment?
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17/02/2021 10:13:27 155 67
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Excellent post.

Don't expect the BBC to carry out any investigation in to this, disproving the numbers won't fit well with their government bashing agenda.
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17/02/2021 10:14:43 26 52
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" know many more than 6 people and no one is waiting for hospital treatment"

Then count yourself and your friends/family very very lucky
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17/02/2021 10:21:13 26 15
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Also things like 1 billion prescriptions every year. Okay, old people have a lot of medicine, but who else is getting a prescription every few weeks? One of my kids got antibiotics a few years ago for a tooth abscess, and I had some iron supplements when I was pregnant, but for every one of me there's someone getting 100 a year?
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17/02/2021 10:23:03 21 45
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There aren't, the numbers are exaggerated. It's s right wing think tank that's want to privatise the NHS.
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17/02/2021 10:24:05 46 2
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Because its not 10 million people, it's likely 10 million procedures which could be on a few million people. but as they are elective surgeries a large number of them can wait as they aren't life threatening
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17/02/2021 10:24:39 32 1
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Bear in mind
A) that number is worse case scenario
B) People will be being double counted as they need appointments for multiple reasons
C) Routine checks for cancer in the elderly etc, don’t necessarily mean all of these people are even ill.
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17/02/2021 10:38:03 27 10
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_(think_tank)

This is Reform, the right wing think tank. Backed by BUPA and other private health care providers. Their agenda is to privatise health care.
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17/02/2021 10:43:21 28 8
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Because people treat the NHS like a free bar at a wedding.
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17/02/2021 10:43:37 24 1
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It's proceedures not people. My mum had cancer last year and was in and out of hospital 10+ times. She alone counts for 60 people using your logic.
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17/02/2021 10:45:26 2 2
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Because every other outpatient clinic has been shut for over a year? You don't have to be scooby doo to work that out!
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17/02/2021 10:49:18 5 1
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I guess in part because we have an ageing population - people are living longer, but that does not necessarily mean living longer with good health.
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17/02/2021 10:44:35 4 2
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I’d like the BBC to report in April on what the think tank said in Feb rather than using the worst case scenario by the biggest fearmongering groups to scare people.
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17/02/2021 11:06:18 4 5
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Everyone in this thread could audition for "anecdotal evidence the movie" a lot of "people i know" in here, your friends and family aren't representitiveof the entire country and don't count as proof of anything.
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17/02/2021 11:13:17 4 2
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The crux of the matter is that we are a nation of unhealthy people
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Ben
17/02/2021 11:14:30 5 1
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The waits might not necessarily be in relation to serious conditions. I, for example, have been waiting to see a dermatologist (non-serious but inconvenient ailment) for more than 1 year. That's probably included within those figures.
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17/02/2021 11:29:20 4 0
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I am not sick in the usual sense, I am a fit active 62 yr old with a disintegrating knee joint (mainly the result of sporting activity), it is painful in the extreme and I have been on the waiting list for over a year already, and expect to be on it for another year at least.
in the meantime, I do not sit on my bum moaning about it, I still work full time and just have to live with it......
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17/02/2021 11:34:14 2 0
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Everyone over 55 gets a bowel cancer check every so often
That's a lot of people
Twelve million pensioners.....
Basically we are a nation of high-maintenance old crocks.
NHS budget (pre Covid):
55% over 65s (that's 18% of population)
30% children/babies
15% working age, who pay for it all
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17/02/2021 11:40:51 3 0
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How very narrow minded of you !! just because you do not know anyone waiting for a hospital treatment, doesn't mean there are none !! I am one of those waiting since November before last !!! Please think of others
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17/02/2021 11:46:36 1 1
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A straw poll and not reading the article. What a fool. Appointments, not individuals, is that dfficult to understand.
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17/02/2021 12:04:46 1 0
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The numbers are produced by a group heavily funded by private healthcare providers. Quite irresponsible journalism from the BBC to present this number with so little context and with so little background on Reform.
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17/02/2021 12:23:23 1 0
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Remember that "Hospital Treatment" includes having tests done

Many people have tests done which show that they don't need any further treatment (e.g. scans to check for cancer, heart disease, etc)

But now many (most?) are waiting longer to have these tests carried out

Many will have to worry for longer before given the all clear

But some may have their prognosis worsened by the delay
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Tom
17/02/2021 12:30:56 1 0
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I manage a team of 26 people. I would probably say about 5 or 6 of them are waiting on some type of hospital treatment.

Doesn't mean they are unable to work or do things day to day but they are waiting on tests, treatments or surgeries, which have been de-prioritised due to COVID.

Just because treatment isn't life impacting straight away, doesn't mean it shouldn't be factored in at some point.
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17/02/2021 12:33:12 0 1
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Exactly ! and when we had chance to do something about it , we kept the takeaways open , shut the gyms and encouraged an even more sedentary lifestyle with people locked away in their houses watching yet more news to depress them .
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17/02/2021 13:01:25 0 0
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You blatantly don't know many people suffering from joint/arthritis issues, who ARE having to wait YEARS for life changing "non essential standard" procedures and no these are not all old people. Visit any one of the many joint replacement forums on social media and you will find people in desperate positions with extremely painful conditions, many of whom are in their 20/30s. Count yourself lucky
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17/02/2021 14:07:29 0 0
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Figures would be total number of referrals,not individuals.May have people waiting for several different treatments,inflating overall numbers.Probably people on waiting list for mental health services because they are stressed out about having to wait Christ knows how long to be seen for a physical problem.
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17/02/2021 10:10:12 14 13
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People forget not following the Covid rules has an effect on everything the NHS does. Covid care is taking a lot of resources and has reduced the number of operating theatres as equipment has been reassigned.
We need to follow the rules and not try to come out of lockdown too soon to help the NHS staff.
The staff want to do their normal work but are stuck fighting Covid.
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17/02/2021 10:15:44 9 10
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Yes. Trips to Barnard Castle for eye tests.

Stanley Johnson refusing to wear a mask in shops.

etc
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17/02/2021 10:10:28 158 43
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Hardly surprising is it? Unqualified receptionists deciding if you are worthy of a consultation while GP's are hiding under their desks, hospitals closed up like fort knox......be careful what you clap for...
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17/02/2021 10:15:16 105 18
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Exactly.

Trouble is the population have become so brainwashed that the NHS is perfect. The slightest criticism is no longer tolerated, despite the facts being plain too see for anyone with a brain.
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17/02/2021 10:38:21 7 4
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_(think_tank)

This is Reform, the right wing think tank. Backed by BUPA and other private health care providers. Their agenda is to privatise health care.
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17/02/2021 11:40:57 2 1
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Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!
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17/02/2021 10:10:32 8 9
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Nothing to blame for this other than Covid but someone will find something else to blame guaranteed......
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17/02/2021 10:12:13 12 3
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Yes, because there was no problem with waiting lists, staff levels and underfunding pre-COVID was there?
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17/02/2021 10:10:37 30 9
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I’m not surprised. People seem terrified to go anywhere near a hospital at the moment, unless it’s absolutely necessary.
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17/02/2021 10:48:38 20 3
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Surely that is exactly how people should be thinking about the need to visit hospital A&E Departments
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17/02/2021 10:46:53 4 3
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Just as how it should be without Covid!

Too many people use the hospital as an extension of the local doctors because their ingrowing toenail can't wait!
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17/02/2021 12:38:33 0 0
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Probably why 37,000 excess deaths occurred at home and not from covid, having been told to isolate and not go to hospital by 111.
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17/02/2021 10:10:57 12 7
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More speculative scaremongering - "may" reach ... So it will be business as usual and if something like cancer is suspected you will be rushed through as normal, if you have an in-growing toenail, wow, you may have to wait a bit longer for it to be seen to. Stop pandering to the Sun reader mentality.
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17/02/2021 10:11:46 33 15
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Both my own GP and my hospital consultant have emigrated abroad in the last 12 months. Was it something the government said?
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xlr
17/02/2021 10:22:48 23 29
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Maybe they came from the EU and living on a visa was not to their liking. I'm hearing lots of skilled people are heading out because of the cost and restrictiveness of visas, especially on their partner and children.
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17/02/2021 11:22:26 5 2
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Bit of a coincidence, are you sure it's not something you said?
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17/02/2021 10:06:17 147 51
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Waiting list for what? There is no illness anymore other than Covid.
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17/02/2021 10:11:46 8 3
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It will all be fine when Johnson recruits his 50,000 nurses and builds the promised 40 new hospitals.
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17/02/2021 10:11:53 12 10
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Apparently some studies using the same methodology reported it would be 10m by last December and it is less than half that amount.

It appears actual factual News has been replaced by pointless speculation which is now peddled as News.
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17/02/2021 11:47:48 0 0
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"It appears actual factual News has been replaced by pointless speculation which is now peddled as News."

Nothing new about it. For years now we have had alarmist reports which, when read, boil down to nothing more than someone's opinion.

"Could, might, may, thought to, some experts believe, if, maybe" and other words/phrases mean that what is presented is not news at all, just guesses.
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17/02/2021 10:12:07 56 38
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So they decided to shut the NHS to 99% of the population for a year. Do we get a tax refund?
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17/02/2021 10:33:59 18 32
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Lets give the NHS more funding and expand capacity so waiting lists are permanently reduced.
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Bob
17/02/2021 10:53:46 6 3
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The last time I set foot in a hospital was to drop someone off. The time before that was when I was born.

I'm due to be cast in the sequel to Unbreakable.

Am I entitled to a full refund of all tax paid to date?
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17/02/2021 10:10:32 8 9
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Nothing to blame for this other than Covid but someone will find something else to blame guaranteed......
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17/02/2021 10:12:13 12 3
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Yes, because there was no problem with waiting lists, staff levels and underfunding pre-COVID was there?
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17/02/2021 10:13:36 3 3
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see, told you so.....
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17/02/2021 10:18:06 2 5
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The old “underfunding” cliche being trundled out again.
Replace underfunding with chronic NHS mismanagement and you will be somewhat nearer the truth!!
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17/02/2021 10:35:10 0 2
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A problem of underfunding - do you support extra funds for the NHS, please tell us?
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17/02/2021 10:13:08 9 15
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Because the NHS is chronically mismanaged at the best of times and now because of Lockdowns they have condemned many hundreds of thousands of people to unnecessary pain and suffering. We have all well and truly had the wool pulled over our eyes.
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17/02/2021 10:23:49 5 3
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Total rubbish. The NHS and its dedicated workers are the saving grace of this country, in complete contrast to those chumocrats in govt who've spent the last decade deliberately underfunding it.
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17/02/2021 10:32:51 1 1
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Chronic insufficient capacity (i.e. funding) is the reasons the needy can't get treatment, not the heroic efforts of those providing the service.
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17/02/2021 10:10:02 219 44
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How can there be a sixth of the population waiting for hospital treatment? I know many more than 6 people and no one is waiting for hospital treatment. I'd like to know who this 10 million is made up off and why we are so sick as a society that one in six of us are waiting for hospital treatment?
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17/02/2021 10:13:27 155 67
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Excellent post.

Don't expect the BBC to carry out any investigation in to this, disproving the numbers won't fit well with their government bashing agenda.
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17/02/2021 10:24:43 15 17
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What, the BBC has changed this, it's all over radio 4. Turns out it's a right wing think tank with a privatisation of the NHS agenda.
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17/02/2021 10:44:54 10 3
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"Reform - a centre-right think tank that focuses on public services - praised the work of frontline NHS staff, but said more now needed to be done to tackle the growing backlog in care." Oh, those lefty government bashers, eh?
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17/02/2021 10:42:05 6 4
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BBC Report

Nearly 163,000 out of the 4.4 million on the waiting list at the end of October had waited over 12 months for operations such as hip replacements.

There were just 1,600 year-long waiters in February, NHS England data shows.

Maybe research instead of making kiddie comments about the BBC.
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17/02/2021 11:24:10 1 0
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Except of course they are not the BBC's number, are they?
The numbers come from Reform, a right-wing "think tank" bankrolled by the private health, insurance and pharma industries.......
And I am sure the "government" would love to take a swipe at the NHS so they can flog some more off
Hoisted by your own petard, I would say
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17/02/2021 11:47:23 2 2
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No it isn't. It is a foolish post based on some idiotic straw poll and not reading the article properly. Get a grip.
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17/02/2021 12:05:33 1 0
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I thought they were just highlighting the many government failures? when is this a 'bashing agenda'? is it when you don't like the calling out of such mistakes? could it be you are an avid tory fan and think they can do no wrong....

10m expected waiting list seems on the high side but the majority on it will be 50+
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17/02/2021 12:41:05 1 0
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Government bashing agenda? You must be joking. The BBC is a bought organisation now and blurts out the mantra they are told to by Big Tech. Wonder how many of these comments are set up on this site. So obvious it is not a discussion board any more and all pro the Agenda. But the truth does come out, it always does in the end.
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17/02/2021 10:13:31 105 23
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Just how many people who died from Covid caught it in hospital ?

A Lot.

No wonder there's a backlog.
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17/02/2021 11:21:08 19 2
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My son-in-law definitely did. Ironically, he works for the NHS in mental health and had taken my granddaughter to a hospital A&E as a last resort. She's fine, he certainly is not.
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17/02/2021 11:21:31 6 2
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Time ban health tourists to ease the congestion, that could reduce waiting times by around 30%!
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17/02/2021 12:09:00 1 3
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It is so infectious, and with so many a day being admitted, it was keeping up with it. And many are infectious, with no symptoms.
The virus just does what it does, like a machine.
We have to fight back 100% - we know how too many just don’t.
And that’s the problem.
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17/02/2021 15:47:18 1 0
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I know of two relatives now that went into hospital very ill (not Covid), at the end of their lives basically in their late 80s and early 90s. They both caught Covid whilst they were in hospital which likely finished them off a bit quicker so perhaps a blessing, of course that's +2 Covid deaths, when in reality it was no such thing, as the prognosis given was already weeks to live at best.
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17/02/2021 10:12:13 12 3
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Yes, because there was no problem with waiting lists, staff levels and underfunding pre-COVID was there?
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17/02/2021 10:13:36 3 3
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see, told you so.....
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17/02/2021 10:14:20 4 6
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You mean the waiting lists in England may get to be almost as long as they have been in Northern Ireland for many years?

Don't "use the private sector", abolish it & incorporate the staff & facilities into the NHS.
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17/02/2021 10:10:02 219 44
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How can there be a sixth of the population waiting for hospital treatment? I know many more than 6 people and no one is waiting for hospital treatment. I'd like to know who this 10 million is made up off and why we are so sick as a society that one in six of us are waiting for hospital treatment?
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17/02/2021 10:14:43 26 52
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" know many more than 6 people and no one is waiting for hospital treatment"

Then count yourself and your friends/family very very lucky
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17/02/2021 10:14:48 12 14
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i suppose, those that die waiting will help boost the covid figures . Helping to justify this farce .
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17/02/2021 10:30:53 1 1
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Are you saying COVID deaths don't matter?
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17/02/2021 10:10:28 158 43
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Hardly surprising is it? Unqualified receptionists deciding if you are worthy of a consultation while GP's are hiding under their desks, hospitals closed up like fort knox......be careful what you clap for...
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17/02/2021 10:15:16 105 18
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Exactly.

Trouble is the population have become so brainwashed that the NHS is perfect. The slightest criticism is no longer tolerated, despite the facts being plain too see for anyone with a brain.
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17/02/2021 10:25:09 5 6
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of course it's tolerated - but that doesn't mean it's correct
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17/02/2021 10:46:04 5 2
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No organisation is prefect - the problem with the NHS is that the population has grown to 66 million, many aging with complex illnesses and cost cutting. Plus staff shortages. A
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17/02/2021 10:57:11 8 7
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Nope, but the right is desperate to try and brainwash the population that there is sooo much wrong with the NHS, while pretending that private systems are absolutely perfect.
In reality the NHS (and similar NHS style systems elsewhere) cost on average 2% of total GDP less than equivalent private systems for the same outcomes.
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17/02/2021 10:10:12 14 13
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People forget not following the Covid rules has an effect on everything the NHS does. Covid care is taking a lot of resources and has reduced the number of operating theatres as equipment has been reassigned.
We need to follow the rules and not try to come out of lockdown too soon to help the NHS staff.
The staff want to do their normal work but are stuck fighting Covid.
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17/02/2021 10:15:44 9 10
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Yes. Trips to Barnard Castle for eye tests.

Stanley Johnson refusing to wear a mask in shops.

etc
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17/02/2021 10:10:02 71 38
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Just more of the lockdown collateral damage, as a result of not taking the advice of the eminent scientists who drafted the Great Barrington Declaration.

This would never have happen if the advice to just isolate the (genuinely) most vulnerable had been taken.

But if, like BJ and Handcock, you can afford it then you won't have to wait at all. So, no worries??.
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17/02/2021 10:27:51 40 16
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The problem is we’re going to be stuck with mandatory restrictions and masks, for longer than necessary (if they ever were), because it takes political courage, or professional courage in the case of scientific experts to say they are no longer needed.
I have seen no sign, even on the most distant horizon, of anything vaguely resembling courage or common sense in the past year, from any of them.
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17/02/2021 10:38:33 4 5
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_(think_tank)

This is Reform, the right wing think tank. Backed by BUPA and other private health care providers. Their agenda is to privatise health care.
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17/02/2021 10:47:43 3 3
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BJ and Matt Handcock did NOT get private treatment so stop the big lie.
They were treated on the NHS.
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17/02/2021 11:06:52 5 9
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You mean that thoroughly scientifically-discredited, politically-motivated declaration - the one with all those fake signatories?
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17/02/2021 11:29:54 5 4
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Please read the Wiki page on the GBD and the articles cited, here's a taste; "The World Health Organization and numerous academic and public-health bodies have stated that the proposed strategy is dangerous and lacks a sound scientific basis"
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17/02/2021 11:38:24 4 4
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The GBD has been condemned around the world.

Lead author Sunetra Gupta said this in May last year:
“I think that the epidemic has largely come and is on its way out in this country so I think it would be definitely less than 1 in 1000 and probably closer to 1 in 10,000.” That would be somewhere between 0.1% and 0.01%.

UK deaths then: 35,023
UK deaths now: 118,195

She should be ignored.
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17/02/2021 10:16:13 72 24
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But it does not matter - only Covid matters now.

That is the State's official position on the matter.
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17/02/2021 10:57:00 26 11
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What are they supposed to do? Turn away the covid patients? Mix them with cancer patients?
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17/02/2021 11:19:41 5 3
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If you have had any experience with non covid health issues as I have, you would realise the inaccuracy of your opinion.
They are still there doing a great job whether you have Covid or not
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M12
17/02/2021 11:23:42 7 3
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Exactly. Who cares about waiting lists, avoidable cancer deaths, missed diagnosis. Just as long as no one catches covid! Ever!!

Not the lockdown lunatics anyway!
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MVP
17/02/2021 10:16:21 199 31
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The NHS is like a national religion and some people believe it is immune from criticism.

We should all be proud of the NHS but it is far from perfect, particularly regarding its levels of bureaucracy, inefficient procurement and poor management
You sound like a nice person, you must have tons of friends Removed
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17/02/2021 10:26:33 26 5
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You are absolutely right. As we know the vast majority of nurses are fantastic people but you do get a certain amount of dozy ones ( often supply nurses) who are not so good.

Not only that the in-house running and infrastructure sometimes leaves a lot to be desired.

By and large the NHS and their people do a fantastic job ....but not all the time

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17/02/2021 10:47:35 17 9
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The NHS administration costs went from 5% of the NHS budget before to 14% of the NHS budget after the Tories introduced the changes to break it up into 'trusts' and introduce the internal market.

Any 'inefficiency' is down to interference by the Tories to prepare the NHS to be sold off piece by piece.

Noting that the NHS still costs the UK far less than the equivalent services in private systems
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17/02/2021 10:54:24 11 5
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An NHS chief (according to the BBC) now says lockdown must not be eased until there has been a 93% drop in Covid 'cases'. Yes, data, not dates, should drive the exit process, but data can easily be generated to order, and statistics made to say whatever you like (think: Spiegelhalter). Scientific evidence, just like any evidence, is subject to interpretation. 'The' science does not exist.
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17/02/2021 10:54:26 18 2
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I have had a few temporary jobs working in NHS hospitals and the waste is absolutely appalling - they make some incredibly bad decisions especially relating to IT and procurement and this simply would not happen in the private sector as companies that acted in this way would be out of business in no time - I agree it is a fantastic organisation, but also a poorly managed money pit
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17/02/2021 11:09:31 2 9
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Sounds a bit like Brexit then, apart from the "We should all be proud of it" part.
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17/02/2021 11:18:31 1 0
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Unfortunately the people in charge of the NHS from Government down to the head nurse, in a ward setting, are often presented with problems that end up being

Damned if they do and damned if they don't

Can't please all the people all the time
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17/02/2021 11:21:41 9 0
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Totally agree. the NHS is a fantastic institution but ironically it is it's very "sacred cow" status which puts it at risk of decline. Especially when scandals costing hundreds of lives are repeatedly swept under the carpet.
We should scrutinise the NHS, not to attack it but to make it better and more sustainable.
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17/02/2021 11:25:59 2 4
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Maybe some of the contracts that have been awarded to suppliers, who happen to pals of Tory MP's, should be investigated...
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17/02/2021 11:27:08 1 5
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The Trusts (who must compete with one another under Landsley (Conservative) Reforms, just now being unravelled by Hancock (Conservative) are the primary source of bureaucracy, procurement is outsourced to the private sector, and for poor management, see "Trusts"
If the Cons had not tried to make a business out of it, matron might have made better choices
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17/02/2021 11:58:46 2 0
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The NHS is fantastic, and are currently bring stretched like never before, and we have to make sure, when we can, that they are properly looked in whatever way is necessary.
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17/02/2021 12:22:37 2 1
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The Tory gov is like a national religion and some people believe it is immune from criticism.

None of us should all be proud of the Tory gov but it is far from being acceptable, particularly regarding its levels of corruption, lying, incompetence and poor management
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17/02/2021 12:54:06 0 0
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Anything we are supposed to revere is treated (and presented to us) like its a a religion, complete with doctrine and dogma. That way, if any voices dissent, they can be cancelled. Completely.
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17/02/2021 13:19:20 0 0
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You are so right Wonderful committed work on the front line The rest is a shambles Could only carry out 2000 test a day in March 2020 Pathetic
If ever an organisation needed re organising and a kick up the back side its the NHS
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17/02/2021 10:16:50 5 7
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Nothing matters except Covid.
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17/02/2021 10:17:26 8 11
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BBC busting the NHS again, can't they be given time to recover from the pandemic? Perhaps a 6 month honeymoon?
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17/02/2021 10:25:25 1 3
bbc
No, the news needs to be reported
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17/02/2021 10:26:25 1 1
bbc
BBC aren't busting the NHS. The BBC demolished this exaggerated claim on R4 this morning. It's come from a right wing think tank that wants to prevaricate the NHS
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17/02/2021 10:17:30 97 44
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I had to speak to 5 colleagues yesterday who are all really struggling, strong good people who have just had enough. The vulnerable are now jagged but by not opening up the country again our politicians are removing hope from people's lives, without hope we have nothing. Every day counts, the world doesn't work in 3 week cycles. Open up soon before it's too late and the damage is beyond repair.
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17/02/2021 10:26:54 27 53
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What are you hoping for? Instant gratification?
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17/02/2021 10:29:27 14 17
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Although the vaccination programme is going extremely well; far from all of the most vulnerable have been vaccinated yet.

And with hospital admissions and deaths due to Covid still very high; if the government was to ease the lockdown right now; idiots would start partying again and the deaths would once again surge.

Wiser to play it safe for a little longer so this lockdown is the last one.
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17/02/2021 11:00:59 11 15
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And your solution is...? Let the elderly and vulnerable die?

Let's wait for the vaccines to kick in. We've made it this far, and can stick it out a bit longer - or are we become a nation of spineless whingers?
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17/02/2021 12:04:07 6 4
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And open up too soon and cases start to rise - because people are moving, which the virus loves, and unless they properly social distance, which they don’t, or we would not be in this mess - we go back into lockdown.
Since the end of the first one, we were all told to still abide by the guidelines, but too many simply DON’T.
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17/02/2021 10:12:13 12 3
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Yes, because there was no problem with waiting lists, staff levels and underfunding pre-COVID was there?
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17/02/2021 10:18:06 2 5
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The old “underfunding” cliche being trundled out again.
Replace underfunding with chronic NHS mismanagement and you will be somewhat nearer the truth!!
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17/02/2021 11:43:59 0 0
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Compared to similar health care systems globally, the NHS runs at about 60% per capita. Canada and Australia invest almost double per capita what we manage in UK. Its run on a very very tight budget, not designed for any kind of shift in usage, particularly a pandemic. Nothing to do with management structure, that's a tried Daily Mail fantasy.
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17/02/2021 10:18:08 7 5
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"may"......
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MVP
17/02/2021 10:16:21 199 31
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The NHS is like a national religion and some people believe it is immune from criticism.

We should all be proud of the NHS but it is far from perfect, particularly regarding its levels of bureaucracy, inefficient procurement and poor management
You sound like a nice person, you must have tons of friends Removed
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17/02/2021 10:22:50 18 13
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The usual personal attack on anyone attacking the left's sacred cow. Amusingly it's this arrogance that will finally destroy the NHS.

I dob5
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17/02/2021 10:06:17 147 51
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Waiting list for what? There is no illness anymore other than Covid.
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17/02/2021 10:19:32 6 8
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But at least we’re protecting the NHS right?
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17/02/2021 10:20:06 9 9
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Right wing think tank exaggerated numbers and asking with royal college of surgeons States that the private sector should play a large part in resolving it.

What a surprise, Tories wanting to privatise healthy care. Disgusting.
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fos
17/02/2021 10:23:09 5 4
bbc
What a surprise the same old lies from yourself and the gutter party
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17/02/2021 10:20:25 6 16
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Maybe if the nurses stopped doing tik tok videos then they could see tend to patients that have been waiting for treatment for over a year.
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17/02/2021 10:50:15 4 1
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Do you get a lunch break? I am sure nurses deserve one.
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fos
17/02/2021 10:20:49 33 13
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Since everything has taken second priority to controlling a completely unexpected pandemic it’s to be expected that many procedures have been delayed. The real achievement is our NHS have coped as well as they have and regarding waiting lists they are only what they were in 2008.
The gutter press and a few politicians might try exploiting this news but it’s a worldwide problem.
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17/02/2021 10:27:02 11 8
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Not really a dig at the NHS but more on the government handling of the pandemic resulting in far more lives being lost than saved.
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17/02/2021 11:13:21 3 0
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Not 'completely unexpected'. The timing yes, but a pandemic has been on the public health risk radar for years.
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17/02/2021 11:33:05 0 1
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"a completely unexpected pandemic" . No. a predicted one.
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17/02/2021 10:09:06 79 30
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Yeah, covid trumps everything and nothing else seems to matter, be it other physical ailments or mental wellbeing.
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xlr
17/02/2021 10:20:59 14 8
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Can't run a hospital if your beds are full of covid patients.

Can't run a country if you're forced to tell people who can't breathe to go home and die.
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17/02/2021 10:22:48 4 12
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Cool story, apart from they're not.
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17/02/2021 10:23:07 7 5
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Maybe we should of set up some Nightingale hospitals and actually use them ??
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17/02/2021 12:58:17 1 0
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Cant run a hospital in a pandemic if you systematically reduced beds over 2 decades and have zero contingency
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17/02/2021 10:10:02 219 44
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How can there be a sixth of the population waiting for hospital treatment? I know many more than 6 people and no one is waiting for hospital treatment. I'd like to know who this 10 million is made up off and why we are so sick as a society that one in six of us are waiting for hospital treatment?
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17/02/2021 10:21:13 26 15
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Also things like 1 billion prescriptions every year. Okay, old people have a lot of medicine, but who else is getting a prescription every few weeks? One of my kids got antibiotics a few years ago for a tooth abscess, and I had some iron supplements when I was pregnant, but for every one of me there's someone getting 100 a year?
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17/02/2021 10:46:43 3 5
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I think it is the elderly mostly. I know many elderly people with Tupperware boxes (other plastic containers are available) full of pills, often combined with a diary they use to keep track of what to take and when. Other elderly people I know in their 90s don't subscribe to it and take nothing. Money in pharmaceuticals of course, I expect most of the pills are no more effective than a placebo.
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17/02/2021 12:33:25 1 0
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Everyone on antidepressants (and let's face it that's a lot), HRT (only allowed a month at a time), pain meds, long term meds. Rarely can get more than a month's worth at a time now.
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17/02/2021 13:24:16 0 0
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Depression, ADHD, asthmatic, high & low blood pressure, glaucoma, other eye disorders, pregnancy, the list goes on, just to name a few??
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17/02/2021 10:21:37 2 1
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It's interesting that the message has been to save and protect the NHS but the reality is something different. No-one was able to effectively treat the virus and still can't with certainty so people will die. We now have massive waiting lists but with no capacity as NHS staff are willing but just plain exhausted. A sad situation indeed.
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17/02/2021 10:16:35 12 10
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Hospital waiting list, oh dear BBC another fear and loathing story by your drama department, your article headline has the dreaded MAY, please don’t put maybe, could be, might be within news or front page, please open a new page with heading NON factual, most of your stories should be placed there, and by the way what has a princess got to do with UK, so many real issues affecting.
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17/02/2021 10:30:50 3 4
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If news services only reported things that are absolutely certain, nobody would know about evolution except specialist scientists. So shut up with your pointless whinging.

And the BBC reports on World news, not just the UK. Stop being such a ridiculous isolationist.
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17/02/2021 10:31:07 1 1
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Nope, the story came from a Tory right wing think tank who want to privatise the NHS.
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17/02/2021 10:20:03 9 5
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NHS waiting list go longer, best thing to do when covid calms down and travel becomes the norm again, go private, plenty of private clinics around the world who will do the job quick and at half the price of UK private. UK health service a bit of a joke, everything these days is ‘it’s covid’ say anything to any company about lazy bad service and the say oh it’s covid. Had a year to organise things
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17/02/2021 10:34:55 1 5
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You are Matt Hancock and I claim my 10 shillings.
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jon
17/02/2021 10:22:00 41 15
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People are catching covid within the NHS. We need to ask why?
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17/02/2021 10:27:47 13 20
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How do you know?
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17/02/2021 10:48:52 4 11
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Because people are taking it in and we are in the middle of a pandemic. When people stop spreading it in any community, it will stop entering hospitals......
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17/02/2021 11:04:13 6 9
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Surely if people are catching something in the population generally on a sufficient scale for it to be called a pandemic, then people will also catch it within the NHS?

It's not like hospitals are made of magic and can make a virus vanish as soon as you step through the door.
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17/02/2021 10:22:03 1 6
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Is Covid going to become a hospital acquired infection just like pneumonia and C.Dif? Can see vaccination becoming a pre-requisite of any treatment
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17/02/2021 10:26:15 3 4
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It makes sense. Mind you IMO vaccination should be compulsory with vaccination passports. Its the only way to really cut back infection.
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17/02/2021 10:22:12 4 5
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The forgotten side of the COVID crisis.
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17/02/2021 10:30:18 1 2
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Only by forgotten by some, many of us have been saying since last summer that the LD approach is wrong and will have this sort of net effect. We should have been prepared to triage properly based on age/life left, but instead we went down the emotional and un-realistic approach of trying to save everyone despite age/underlying health and mixed C19 within hospitals. Result its C19 or nothing..
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17/02/2021 10:47:57 0 1
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Anaesthetists are the ICU doctors. How do you, in your expertise, suggest they can be in theatre sorting hernias and save the lives of people in ICU at the same time? The hernia can wait. The respiratory failure (viral......Covid) cannot.
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17/02/2021 10:06:17 147 51
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Waiting list for what? There is no illness anymore other than Covid.
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17/02/2021 10:22:17 7 5
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The answer of this right wing think tank is to use private sector provision, sorted by the royal college of surgeons. Another Tory plot to privatise healthy care, don't fall for it
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17/02/2021 10:22:30 9 10
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Freedom! End lockdown now.
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17/02/2021 10:45:24 0 1
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And sod the elderly and vulnerable!
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17/02/2021 10:47:36 0 1
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The average ICU Covid patient is just 58 years old. I can only presume YOU have a stash of ICU beds and staff in order to fulfil your wet dreams of the pubs opening.
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xlr
17/02/2021 10:20:59 14 8
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Can't run a hospital if your beds are full of covid patients.

Can't run a country if you're forced to tell people who can't breathe to go home and die.
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17/02/2021 10:22:48 4 12
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Cool story, apart from they're not.
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xlr
17/02/2021 10:29:49 3 3
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They would be if they hadn't have cleared the wards for covid patients.

In January they were mere days away from it.
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17/02/2021 10:54:57 2 3
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Um, yes they are. My partner works in the NHS and can verify this first-hand.

As for the ghoulish imbeciles haranguing and harassing NHS staff outside hospitals - including medics and nurses who've just come off 24-hour shifts in full PPE - I have no words.
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17/02/2021 10:11:46 33 15
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Both my own GP and my hospital consultant have emigrated abroad in the last 12 months. Was it something the government said?
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xlr
17/02/2021 10:22:48 23 29
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Maybe they came from the EU and living on a visa was not to their liking. I'm hearing lots of skilled people are heading out because of the cost and restrictiveness of visas, especially on their partner and children.
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17/02/2021 10:25:21 8 1
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No they are both white English.
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17/02/2021 10:46:11 5 4
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If they were from abroad, then it's timed we trained more of the indigeneous population instead of creaming off health workers from the third world who can ill afford to lose them !!!
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17/02/2021 10:22:55 8 7
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If 1 in 7 people need an operation there is something desperately wrong with the nation's health.
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17/02/2021 10:44:55 1 2
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That, and the fact that we have an ageing population - people live longer, but not necessarily with good health.
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17/02/2021 11:44:23 0 0
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No-one said they "need" one - this figure may well include things that people want but are not health-threatening, such as removal of a mole or cyst which, while unsightly, does not really count as a health problem.
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17/02/2021 10:09:06 79 30
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Yeah, covid trumps everything and nothing else seems to matter, be it other physical ailments or mental wellbeing.
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17/02/2021 10:23:02 9 7
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Funny, there was a story on the inadequacies of the mental health service a few days ago and there were <20 comments, but on a HYS on COVID there were hundreds of comments worrying about peoples mental health...

the fact that you lot didn't even look or respond to the other article shows you don't really care about mental health and just use it as a political football... disgusting
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17/02/2021 10:10:02 219 44
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How can there be a sixth of the population waiting for hospital treatment? I know many more than 6 people and no one is waiting for hospital treatment. I'd like to know who this 10 million is made up off and why we are so sick as a society that one in six of us are waiting for hospital treatment?
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17/02/2021 10:23:03 21 45
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There aren't, the numbers are exaggerated. It's s right wing think tank that's want to privatise the NHS.
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xlr
17/02/2021 10:20:59 14 8
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Can't run a hospital if your beds are full of covid patients.

Can't run a country if you're forced to tell people who can't breathe to go home and die.
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17/02/2021 10:23:07 7 5
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Maybe we should of set up some Nightingale hospitals and actually use them ??
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17/02/2021 10:55:27 0 2
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If we had the resources to staff them, then maybe yes.
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17/02/2021 10:20:06 9 9
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Right wing think tank exaggerated numbers and asking with royal college of surgeons States that the private sector should play a large part in resolving it.

What a surprise, Tories wanting to privatise healthy care. Disgusting.
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fos
17/02/2021 10:23:09 5 4
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What a surprise the same old lies from yourself and the gutter party
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17/02/2021 10:33:03 0 1
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Except the story did come from a right wing think tank and the RCS want to use private provision.
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17/02/2021 10:13:08 9 15
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Because the NHS is chronically mismanaged at the best of times and now because of Lockdowns they have condemned many hundreds of thousands of people to unnecessary pain and suffering. We have all well and truly had the wool pulled over our eyes.
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17/02/2021 10:23:49 5 3
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Total rubbish. The NHS and its dedicated workers are the saving grace of this country, in complete contrast to those chumocrats in govt who've spent the last decade deliberately underfunding it.
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17/02/2021 10:36:16 1 2
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The cult of the NHS is strong with you
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17/02/2021 10:23:59 2 3
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Right wing "think tank" wanting to increase public spending?
Right wing "think tank" stating the Tories have underfunded the NHS?
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17/02/2021 10:30:15 3 1
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Nope, just want to privatise provision, that is and always had been their end game.
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17/02/2021 10:24:01 8 4
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"A centre-right think tank" - this was the point that I switched off from this article. So they're ideologically aligned to one particular outcome and are using the smokescreen of Covid in the media to manipulate public opinion into achieving it. Sneaky.
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17/02/2021 10:26:56 5 7
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Centre-right is just as legitimate as centre-left, if you only listen to one side of the story then you literally get 50% of the truth. Sounds to me like you prefer a nice echo-chamber to reflect your own prejudices.
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17/02/2021 10:29:34 2 3
bbc
Exactly this. Degenerate the NHS and then persuade people it needs privatising. Disgusted that the royal college of surgeons supports this. It's all about the money.
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17/02/2021 10:10:02 219 44
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How can there be a sixth of the population waiting for hospital treatment? I know many more than 6 people and no one is waiting for hospital treatment. I'd like to know who this 10 million is made up off and why we are so sick as a society that one in six of us are waiting for hospital treatment?
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17/02/2021 10:24:05 46 2
bbc
Because its not 10 million people, it's likely 10 million procedures which could be on a few million people. but as they are elective surgeries a large number of them can wait as they aren't life threatening
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17/02/2021 11:34:43 1 3
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Wow. I hope you are never in a position where you actually need medical care but can't get it because the system is problem. 'Not life threatening so you don't need treatment'. How small minded and arrogant and selfish of you.
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17/02/2021 10:10:02 219 44
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How can there be a sixth of the population waiting for hospital treatment? I know many more than 6 people and no one is waiting for hospital treatment. I'd like to know who this 10 million is made up off and why we are so sick as a society that one in six of us are waiting for hospital treatment?
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17/02/2021 10:24:39 32 1
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Bear in mind
A) that number is worse case scenario
B) People will be being double counted as they need appointments for multiple reasons
C) Routine checks for cancer in the elderly etc, don’t necessarily mean all of these people are even ill.
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17/02/2021 10:13:27 155 67
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Excellent post.

Don't expect the BBC to carry out any investigation in to this, disproving the numbers won't fit well with their government bashing agenda.
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17/02/2021 10:24:43 15 17
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What, the BBC has changed this, it's all over radio 4. Turns out it's a right wing think tank with a privatisation of the NHS agenda.
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17/02/2021 10:15:16 105 18
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Exactly.

Trouble is the population have become so brainwashed that the NHS is perfect. The slightest criticism is no longer tolerated, despite the facts being plain too see for anyone with a brain.
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17/02/2021 10:25:09 5 6
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of course it's tolerated - but that doesn't mean it's correct
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xlr
17/02/2021 10:22:48 23 29
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Maybe they came from the EU and living on a visa was not to their liking. I'm hearing lots of skilled people are heading out because of the cost and restrictiveness of visas, especially on their partner and children.
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17/02/2021 10:25:21 8 1
bbc
No they are both white English.
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17/02/2021 10:17:26 8 11
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BBC busting the NHS again, can't they be given time to recover from the pandemic? Perhaps a 6 month honeymoon?
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17/02/2021 10:25:25 1 3
bbc
No, the news needs to be reported
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17/02/2021 10:20:41 7 3
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Why are there so many think tanks?
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17/02/2021 10:31:29 7 2
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It is where all the failed journalists go, check out Reform website and the 'advisors' :-| BBC pay for this stuff
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17/02/2021 10:52:25 1 2
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Most of which are left of centre...the BBC's wet dream!
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17/02/2021 10:22:03 1 6
bbc
Is Covid going to become a hospital acquired infection just like pneumonia and C.Dif? Can see vaccination becoming a pre-requisite of any treatment
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17/02/2021 10:26:15 3 4
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It makes sense. Mind you IMO vaccination should be compulsory with vaccination passports. Its the only way to really cut back infection.
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17/02/2021 10:28:13 1 1
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Wow, how quickly you would like to change the laws that are designed to protect citizens human rights. Its a bit scary the way people have started to think.
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17/02/2021 10:26:16 8 6
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Another negative media news story. lots of things may happen. This is an absolute guess at best, might as well just go all out and say quadruple!!. Covid will ease and back log will start reducing before it doubles. Why not report this as an option???.
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17/02/2021 10:27:51 5 6
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It's a story from a right wing think tank that wasn't to privatise the NHS. Wake up, it's a Tory wet dream.
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17/02/2021 10:17:26 8 11
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BBC busting the NHS again, can't they be given time to recover from the pandemic? Perhaps a 6 month honeymoon?
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17/02/2021 10:26:25 1 1
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BBC aren't busting the NHS. The BBC demolished this exaggerated claim on R4 this morning. It's come from a right wing think tank that wants to prevaricate the NHS
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MVP
17/02/2021 10:16:21 199 31
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The NHS is like a national religion and some people believe it is immune from criticism.

We should all be proud of the NHS but it is far from perfect, particularly regarding its levels of bureaucracy, inefficient procurement and poor management
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17/02/2021 10:26:33 26 5
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You are absolutely right. As we know the vast majority of nurses are fantastic people but you do get a certain amount of dozy ones ( often supply nurses) who are not so good.

Not only that the in-house running and infrastructure sometimes leaves a lot to be desired.

By and large the NHS and their people do a fantastic job ....but not all the time

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17/02/2021 11:04:54 13 1
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Yep
The view most people get are the popular A&E TV programmes.
What you don't see are the snails pace outpatient departments, the cosy little office hideaways.
I go to a clinic annually.
For years, one person carried out the tests, now one does it while two watch.
The reason? The tests are "challenging".
What? Attaching ECG pads and testing an ICD?
It's a hospital for God's sake
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17/02/2021 10:26:44 5 6
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Govt should have acted sooner to protect people, the economy & the NHS. That isn't hindsight - there have been 6 or 7 pandemics in the last century where lessons should have been learnt.

Now we're in this situation, yet no matter how bad it is there are some people who only want to applaud govt's bulk buying of vaccines like that makes up for all the failures. Pathetic
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17/02/2021 10:17:30 97 44
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I had to speak to 5 colleagues yesterday who are all really struggling, strong good people who have just had enough. The vulnerable are now jagged but by not opening up the country again our politicians are removing hope from people's lives, without hope we have nothing. Every day counts, the world doesn't work in 3 week cycles. Open up soon before it's too late and the damage is beyond repair.
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17/02/2021 10:26:54 27 53
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What are you hoping for? Instant gratification?
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17/02/2021 10:43:20 6 13
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Spot on you think it was just after world war 2 then they would have something to moan about !!!
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jay
17/02/2021 10:26:54 35 20
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Didn't you know all other illnesses are non existent, god keep up
If it’s not covid your not unwell ??
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17/02/2021 10:43:00 16 26
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Campaign for more NHS funding rather than useless whingeing.
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17/02/2021 10:24:01 8 4
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"A centre-right think tank" - this was the point that I switched off from this article. So they're ideologically aligned to one particular outcome and are using the smokescreen of Covid in the media to manipulate public opinion into achieving it. Sneaky.
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17/02/2021 10:26:56 5 7
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Centre-right is just as legitimate as centre-left, if you only listen to one side of the story then you literally get 50% of the truth. Sounds to me like you prefer a nice echo-chamber to reflect your own prejudices.
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17/02/2021 10:55:28 1 2
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Spot on
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17/02/2021 10:26:58 12 9
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A think tank?

Come on BBC start doing some proper journalism for once and stop peddling opinions as fact.
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17/02/2021 10:42:01 3 5
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Stop denigrating the BBC. Fox news is where people like you are taking us.
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17/02/2021 10:39:33 1 2
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Come on, the BBC hasn't looked for empirical facts for decades!
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17/02/2021 11:11:51 1 0
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It's not being portrayed as fact.

The BBC is reporting what the think tank said. That's how you know it was said by a think tank.
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17/02/2021 10:27:11 2 2
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The same Think tank gave the same prediction for December. Me Thinks the Think tank needs to Think again! Think about it
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jon
17/02/2021 10:22:00 41 15
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People are catching covid within the NHS. We need to ask why?
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17/02/2021 10:27:47 13 20
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How do you know?
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17/02/2021 11:33:46 10 0
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my sister works in the NHS, and has been routinely complaining about doctors who do not wash their hands between patients, even during the pandemic.
also covid patients openly moved around the hospital, patients not being tested regularly, or at all, and poor levels of hygiene.
are you getting the picture yet?
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17/02/2021 10:27:50 5 7
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Isn't 'Reform' a socialist think tank? Claims to be a charity, non-profit making, but the contributors get a lot of expenses to sit in a room and come up with this stuff. Plus I believe the BBC pays for this 'research' with a contribution to the 'charity', nice earner. Check out Reforms website and the main contributors. As noted by others 10m is not justifiable.
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17/02/2021 10:34:04 0 1
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Yeah, Ive heard Reform referred to as a "liberal" think tank many times
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17/02/2021 10:35:01 0 1
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Nope, it's a right wing think tank. Look it up.
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17/02/2021 10:41:03 0 1
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Campaign for better funding then.
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17/02/2021 10:41:03 0 1
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Well, think of it as a balance to all those right-wing think-tanks bankrolled by business and politically-affiliated lobby groups.
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17/02/2021 10:10:02 71 38
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Just more of the lockdown collateral damage, as a result of not taking the advice of the eminent scientists who drafted the Great Barrington Declaration.

This would never have happen if the advice to just isolate the (genuinely) most vulnerable had been taken.

But if, like BJ and Handcock, you can afford it then you won't have to wait at all. So, no worries??.
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17/02/2021 10:27:51 40 16
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The problem is we’re going to be stuck with mandatory restrictions and masks, for longer than necessary (if they ever were), because it takes political courage, or professional courage in the case of scientific experts to say they are no longer needed.
I have seen no sign, even on the most distant horizon, of anything vaguely resembling courage or common sense in the past year, from any of them.
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17/02/2021 10:57:32 3 10
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Look in the mirror, the scientists and NHS are the lions and nay-sayers are the donkeys.
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17/02/2021 13:00:12 1 1
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The masks are just there to make us all feel a little better. I bought some (the most popular) from a major online retailer and it said on the box 'not fit for medical purposes'. My son said "what's the point then?" The answer is clear.
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17/02/2021 15:56:56 1 2
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It also takes some "professional courage", to do some basic research into why lockdowns are necessary. I have seen no sign that you have done this, of anything resembling common sense in the past year, from you on HYS.

How long until you give it a rest and realise that your arguments are a load of bull? Nobody who understands the wider picture agrees with you.
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17/02/2021 10:26:16 8 6
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Another negative media news story. lots of things may happen. This is an absolute guess at best, might as well just go all out and say quadruple!!. Covid will ease and back log will start reducing before it doubles. Why not report this as an option???.
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17/02/2021 10:27:51 5 6
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It's a story from a right wing think tank that wasn't to privatise the NHS. Wake up, it's a Tory wet dream.
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Tom
17/02/2021 10:28:03 47 20
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If you ever want to see the true impact of our systemic failings as a country, this pandemic has highlighted them.

Years of austerity has damaged so many parts of this country and is there for all to see. Not addressing tax evasion and allowing billions to go to a very small percentage of the population has also played its part.

We really need to rethink what we deem as a priority after COVID.
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17/02/2021 10:29:35 15 15
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well said
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17/02/2021 10:38:06 6 4
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This is not a problem caused by austerity. It is quite simply a problem associated with increasing illness (some of it lifestyle-attributable), improvements in medical knowledge (we are now able to treat more conditions more successfully), and the sheer size of the NHS which makes it difficult to manage.
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17/02/2021 13:28:44 4 0
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Well said

The lockdown is basically because successive Goverments of both sides have underinvested in the NHS (and many other things too) resulting in its inability to cope, that a country with something like the 6th biggest GDP in the world has hospital waiting lists of more than a few weeks is criminal

BTW I also think the NHS needs to take a proportion of the blame, its hugely inefficient
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17/02/2021 10:26:15 3 4
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It makes sense. Mind you IMO vaccination should be compulsory with vaccination passports. Its the only way to really cut back infection.
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17/02/2021 10:28:13 1 1
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Wow, how quickly you would like to change the laws that are designed to protect citizens human rights. Its a bit scary the way people have started to think.
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17/02/2021 10:28:49 11 12
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The NHS are all heroes we can be proud of. The increase in waiting lists during the pandemic was because the capacity within the system is insufficient to manage the normal workflow AND COVID. The solution is to build extra capacity and to train more doctors/nurses/ health professionals and end all privatisation. The notion the NHS is wasteful or bureaucratic is a fallacy driven by private sector.
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17/02/2021 10:37:21 2 4
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Presume you regularly attend your local NHS Trusts board meeting, to find out what exactly is (or, rather, is not) going on?
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17/02/2021 10:29:01 3 5
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More people wanting cosmetic treatments on the NHS, Population growing out of control, what is it over 4 million EU workers applied to continue to work here,
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17/02/2021 10:17:30 97 44
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I had to speak to 5 colleagues yesterday who are all really struggling, strong good people who have just had enough. The vulnerable are now jagged but by not opening up the country again our politicians are removing hope from people's lives, without hope we have nothing. Every day counts, the world doesn't work in 3 week cycles. Open up soon before it's too late and the damage is beyond repair.
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17/02/2021 10:29:27 14 17
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Although the vaccination programme is going extremely well; far from all of the most vulnerable have been vaccinated yet.

And with hospital admissions and deaths due to Covid still very high; if the government was to ease the lockdown right now; idiots would start partying again and the deaths would once again surge.

Wiser to play it safe for a little longer so this lockdown is the last one.
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17/02/2021 11:02:23 14 6
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"if the government was to ease the lockdown right now; idiots would start partying again "

Surely those idiots will party whether or not there's a lockdown
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17/02/2021 12:57:22 0 0
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Don't buy this line that this lockdown will be the 'last one'. It won't be. Nowhere near. I can't believe the politicians and advisors are daring to peddle it. It will be their absolute undoing.
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17/02/2021 15:51:33 1 0
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So how long do we play safe? Is it another few weeks, another few months, another few years. Vaccination was the way out we were told 10 months ago, but no that turns out that was a carrot. Everyone I speak to is either ignoring the rules or keeping to them but then thoroughly depressed. I have my Mum everyday asking me what is the point of her being alive, still told to shield but vaccinated!
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17/02/2021 16:26:25 1 0
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"Idiots" are partying regardless of the rules, but it would be nice for me to be able to drink my coffee on my own indoors, instead of shivering outside on a bench.
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17/02/2021 10:24:01 8 4
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"A centre-right think tank" - this was the point that I switched off from this article. So they're ideologically aligned to one particular outcome and are using the smokescreen of Covid in the media to manipulate public opinion into achieving it. Sneaky.
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17/02/2021 10:29:34 2 3
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Exactly this. Degenerate the NHS and then persuade people it needs privatising. Disgusted that the royal college of surgeons supports this. It's all about the money.
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Tom
17/02/2021 10:28:03 47 20
bbc
If you ever want to see the true impact of our systemic failings as a country, this pandemic has highlighted them.

Years of austerity has damaged so many parts of this country and is there for all to see. Not addressing tax evasion and allowing billions to go to a very small percentage of the population has also played its part.

We really need to rethink what we deem as a priority after COVID.
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17/02/2021 10:29:35 15 15
bbc
well said
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17/02/2021 10:29:45 15 4
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Whether the subject is pandemic, government, nhs, media, world orgs and politics the problem is the same. Its problems are corruption.
The world is a shxthole only because of these people.
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17/02/2021 10:22:48 4 12
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Cool story, apart from they're not.
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xlr
17/02/2021 10:29:49 3 3
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They would be if they hadn't have cleared the wards for covid patients.

In January they were mere days away from it.
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Stu
17/02/2021 10:30:12 10 7
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The head of NHS providers clearly states this is worst case scenario. Why is that not in the headline?
This is BBC News scaremongering once again undermining the UK's mental health.

I cannot fathom why BBC News prefers negative headlines to with expositive or even passive ones - can they please explain.
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17/02/2021 10:32:59 4 1
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Bad news = Clicks / sales
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17/02/2021 10:36:39 1 1
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Because they are the BBC and must appear to be anti Tory and anti UK ... don't you remember the BBC headline when the government met the 15 million vaccine rollout and the apologies from the media doubters ?

No, me neither.
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17/02/2021 10:39:41 0 2
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Stick to Fox news then.
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17/02/2021 11:15:09 0 1
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"Why is that not in the headline"

Because if the whole story was in the headline, it wouldn't be a headline.
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17/02/2021 10:23:59 2 3
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Right wing "think tank" wanting to increase public spending?
Right wing "think tank" stating the Tories have underfunded the NHS?
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17/02/2021 10:30:15 3 1
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Nope, just want to privatise provision, that is and always had been their end game.
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17/02/2021 10:22:12 4 5
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The forgotten side of the COVID crisis.
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17/02/2021 10:30:18 1 2
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Only by forgotten by some, many of us have been saying since last summer that the LD approach is wrong and will have this sort of net effect. We should have been prepared to triage properly based on age/life left, but instead we went down the emotional and un-realistic approach of trying to save everyone despite age/underlying health and mixed C19 within hospitals. Result its C19 or nothing..
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17/02/2021 10:30:36 20 11
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The NHS is and always has been the limiting factor in lifting restrictions.
This is a ten year old problem. When the NHS is required to surge it should have the capacity to do so. That had been removed. That means the staff have been surging personally for a year. That is unsustainable so these Tories have limited their foolish haste to open up by their foolish cutting of the NHS before.
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17/02/2021 10:32:57 25 1
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This is more than a ten-year problem. It is quite simply a problem associated with increasing illness (some of it lifestyle-attributable), improvements in medical knowledge (we are now able to treat more conditions more successfully), and the sheer size of the NHS which makes it difficult to manage.
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17/02/2021 10:34:47 8 3
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"When the NHS is required to surge it should have the capacity to do so"

So in normal times you'd be quite happy to pay thousand of doctors and nurses to sit around doing nothing until a surge appears ? Not to mention the infrastructure costs of having everything to hand 'just in case'.
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17/02/2021 11:24:58 2 1
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But surely by all measures the funding for the NHS has increased year on year for the last 10 years accounting for inflation? It is better funded that it was under Labour. Does that mean that your argument is perception rather than reality?
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17/02/2021 10:16:35 12 10
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Hospital waiting list, oh dear BBC another fear and loathing story by your drama department, your article headline has the dreaded MAY, please don’t put maybe, could be, might be within news or front page, please open a new page with heading NON factual, most of your stories should be placed there, and by the way what has a princess got to do with UK, so many real issues affecting.
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17/02/2021 10:30:50 3 4
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If news services only reported things that are absolutely certain, nobody would know about evolution except specialist scientists. So shut up with your pointless whinging.

And the BBC reports on World news, not just the UK. Stop being such a ridiculous isolationist.
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17/02/2021 10:14:48 12 14
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i suppose, those that die waiting will help boost the covid figures . Helping to justify this farce .
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17/02/2021 10:30:53 1 1
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Are you saying COVID deaths don't matter?
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17/02/2021 10:42:36 1 1
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Not they don't matter, just overhyped with conflated statistics, any death within 28 days, near to 0 flu and pneumonia during winter when thats normally 30-40K, the ~40K that have happened in care/nursing homes were about as near certain to happen anyway as you can get, they don't call them 'gods waiting room' for nothing. I know its harsh and I know it real, but the data is too conflated..
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17/02/2021 10:31:00 36 15
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In 2018 nearly 30000 people died on a hospital waiting list. That can be expected to treble if these figures are to be believed.
When will government and media think about those people who haven't got covid19
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17/02/2021 10:36:56 25 11
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What is your solution? The medical profession is obliged to prioritise those at *imminent* risk of death - if those people happen to be gravely ill with Covid, there is no choice but to treat them as a priority.
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17/02/2021 10:38:49 3 8
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Extra funding required for the NHS, surely?
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17/02/2021 10:44:08 10 8
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Anaesthetists are the ICU doctors. How do you, in your expertise, suggest they can be in theatre sorting hernias and save the lives of people in ICU at the same time? The hernia can wait. The respiratory failure (viral......Covid) cannot.
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17/02/2021 12:09:47 3 1
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I think the article we are commenting on makes it very plan that the NHS and the government are thinking about non covid patients and a great number of us are getting treatment.
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17/02/2021 10:16:35 12 10
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Hospital waiting list, oh dear BBC another fear and loathing story by your drama department, your article headline has the dreaded MAY, please don’t put maybe, could be, might be within news or front page, please open a new page with heading NON factual, most of your stories should be placed there, and by the way what has a princess got to do with UK, so many real issues affecting.
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17/02/2021 10:31:07 1 1
bbc
Nope, the story came from a Tory right wing think tank who want to privatise the NHS.
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17/02/2021 11:08:01 1 3
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I think we got the message the first time.
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17/02/2021 10:20:41 7 3
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Why are there so many think tanks?
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17/02/2021 10:31:29 7 2
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It is where all the failed journalists go, check out Reform website and the 'advisors' :-| BBC pay for this stuff
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17/02/2021 10:31:38 4 8
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You have zero chance of seeing a doctor face to face (even privately), and if you need diagnostics/tests very little chance of being seen for months. It's a shocking closure of NHS services...The doctors can wait, they are still getting their NHS pay working over zoom, and most already have thousands in savings. To be seen now you need to be about to die, and be calling an emergency ambulance.
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17/02/2021 10:33:55 5 2
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If you think Doctors are sitting around twiddling their thumbs, then you are hugely mistaken.
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17/02/2021 10:22:33 9 6
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NHS the untouchables.

Anything NHS, the failing institution has become a bit of a joke, seems the whole UK has to work and be controlled in the name of NHS, don’t work protect NHS, stay home protect NHS, don’t bre
You sound like a nice person, you must have tons of friends Removed
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17/02/2021 10:22:50 18 13
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The usual personal attack on anyone attacking the left's sacred cow. Amusingly it's this arrogance that will finally destroy the NHS.

I dob5
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17/02/2021 10:51:13 6 6
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Funny isn't it, when it is the right wing attacking people they think that is absolutely fine. Indeed they use the tactic of attacking anyone who identifies the failings in right wing policies and arguments repeatedly to try to distract and deflect the conversation away from their repeated failings.
But they do get so hurt and indignant when people are ever so slightly unpleasant to them back.
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17/02/2021 10:23:09 35 15
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The real price of lockdowns becoming apparent.
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17/02/2021 10:42:05 28 25
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Nope. The real price of people spreading an infection. Anaesthetists are the ICU specialists. They cannot be in theatre and looking after people with respiratory failure at the same time. Think better.
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17/02/2021 11:24:53 5 1
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The real price of Covid becoming apparent.

Fixed that for you.