Covid: Extra 1.7m vulnerable added to shielding list
16/02/2021 | news | health | 331
Move brings total to 4m in England and means vaccinations will be prioritised more quickly.
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16/02/2021 15:03:43 24 36
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Open up and let those who need to shield do so and provide them with support.
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16/02/2021 15:05:51 35 12
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Are you aware what happened the last time we opened up? You obviously did not lose anyone but many people were not so lucky as you.
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16/02/2021 15:06:36 14 6
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I wish you'd stop opening up...
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16/02/2021 15:07:10 3 3
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err . . . . .that IS what is already happening !
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16/02/2021 15:07:44 9 4
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Its not all about you!
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16/02/2021 15:12:34 8 1
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Once the majority of vulnerable people have been vaccinated then, yes we can start to open up again.
Just how though did you expect 15m people including the old/vulnerable/NHS/carers to shield while the other 50+m of us went about a normal life?
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16/02/2021 15:21:50 8 0
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That is what happened, and our NHS was brought to the brink of collapse.

Comments like this beggar belief. Me, me, me. Let me get on with exactly what I want to do, and anyone who is vulnerable should just crawl into a hole, never go outside again and never see anyone again.

So you'll be fine with voluntarily shutting yourself off when you reach 70, will you?
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16/02/2021 15:22:25 6 1
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That’s what we did at the end of the first lockdown, and we just ended up back into lockdown, because people just didn’t follow the guidelines, despite being warned. If they had, properly, lockdown no, 2 may not have happened.
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16/02/2021 15:05:05 27 9
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So just what is it about these newly identified 1.7M people that requires shielding? Seems to me it is the combination of age (already taken care of) plus deprivation, ethnicity and obesity, which have long been known to be a poor mix in terms of Covid-19. Perhaps the idea is to persuade ethnic minorities to get vaccinated.
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16/02/2021 15:09:19 10 11
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The fact that lots of them died in the first wave.
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16/02/2021 15:23:38 0 0
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I have an AI disorder. It's rare and medical professionals don't know what causes it - possibly triggered by a rogue reaction to some virus.

It appeared out of nowhere when I was 29. I don't require ongoing suppressant medication so I wasn't categorised in the most at risk group.

I'm fit, healthy, white Caucasian, and have a BMI ~19.8.

I get my vacc this week. I guess they think I'm at risk
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16/02/2021 15:05:26 19 23
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It's important to recognise ethnicity, weight and levels of deprivation.

After all, Britain is a compassionate society that looks after everyone, regardless of these factors or any others.
It's important to recognise ethnicity, weight and levels of deprivation.

One cannot account for self inflicted injury (refusing vaccination).
Ethnicity has nothing to do with RESPECTING BAME - but rather that nature itself must be biased, sexually discriminating, racist, ageist and unfair to those that want borders.

Viruses IGNORE borders.
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16/02/2021 15:17:35 5 4
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Actually, I do not think Britain as a whole is a compassionate society any longer, and it certainly does not believe we should look after everyone. It is everyone for themselves; but anyone else who has anything does not deserve it and should have it taken off them.

My evidence? The downvotes your post has received.
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16/02/2021 15:03:43 24 36
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Open up and let those who need to shield do so and provide them with support.
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16/02/2021 15:05:51 35 12
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Are you aware what happened the last time we opened up? You obviously did not lose anyone but many people were not so lucky as you.
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16/02/2021 15:10:00 4 1
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Yes 99.9% of people
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16/02/2021 15:03:43 24 36
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Open up and let those who need to shield do so and provide them with support.
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16/02/2021 15:06:36 14 6
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I wish you'd stop opening up...
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16/02/2021 15:03:43 24 36
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Open up and let those who need to shield do so and provide them with support.
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16/02/2021 15:07:10 3 3
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err . . . . .that IS what is already happening !
Perhaps they should just target "culture" - after all it seems like certain cultures in multi-cultural UK have a different attitude to managing their lives during covid and this has resulted in higher death rates. Removed
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16/02/2021 15:13:42 20 66
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How does thinly veiled racism get so many thumbs up?
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16/02/2021 15:13:42 19 6
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Perhaps political correctness should take a step back and inform people risking their,and other peoples health,by sticking to non-hygenic toilet practises that toilet paper is not haram.
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16/02/2021 15:19:52 13 0
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As i Have always said we do not live in a multi-cultural country. We live in a country with many ethnicities and cultures that by and large live within those cultures. If we were multi-cultural they would be evenly spread all over the UK. With this system many cultures live outside the parameters of trust that other do.
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16/02/2021 15:32:47 0 1
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Totally incorrect as van tam said the other day there has been almost no difference in how covid affects groups and factually it’s now over 100k of deaths are white so that blows your comments out of the water.
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16/02/2021 15:36:50 3 0
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That is a lazy generalisation of different cultures ...it's called racism...after having seen a lot of pictures of people ignoring rules at holiday beauty spots /illegal gatherings/parties etc over the last year..i think you will find the vast majority would be classed as white ....what do you call this "attitude to managing their lives " ?
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16/02/2021 15:03:43 24 36
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Open up and let those who need to shield do so and provide them with support.
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16/02/2021 15:07:44 9 4
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Its not all about you!
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16/02/2021 15:08:16 162 10
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Before the comments descend into madness like they always do, I just want to say that the health workers and scientists really are showing humanity in its best light. We owe them a huge debt.
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16/02/2021 15:35:02 19 65
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We owe them a huge debt for what doing their job.. what utter tosh. Why do you not say that for every other worker that has had to work through the pandemic? Are bin men and shop workers below you?
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16/02/2021 15:08:34 18 24
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I begin to feel like the government do whatever it takes to delay opening up. First it was only the most vulnerable, now it's those plus over 60s plus over 50s plus this new vulnerable group. Lockdown does so much harm, covid does too, but we need to find a balance.
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16/02/2021 15:16:43 13 5
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Just be patient. We are not asking you to fight in a war risking life and limb. Just asking to stay home. Really its not a huge sacrifice is it.
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16/02/2021 15:19:59 2 0
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We have to vaccinate as many as necessary, and we don’t want to open up TOO early, or else we will end up back in lockdown a few months later.
We HAVE to have learned our lessons from last year, and open up carefully and cautiously if the rates are low enough, and remember to socially distance etc., because the virus has NOT have gone away, just waiting for us to let down our guard. So don’t.
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16/02/2021 15:22:27 1 0
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Well so far we have over 100,000 deaths from covid.

How many deaths have been caused by lockdown again?
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16/02/2021 15:24:35 0 0
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This latest move is just about shuffling 20% of the previous established vulnerable group forward in priority. (They were already scheduled ahead of the 50 to 65 year olds .)
Once hospitalisations and deaths come down some more, the government will open things, and probably with less caution than some scientists advise.
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16/02/2021 15:05:05 27 9
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So just what is it about these newly identified 1.7M people that requires shielding? Seems to me it is the combination of age (already taken care of) plus deprivation, ethnicity and obesity, which have long been known to be a poor mix in terms of Covid-19. Perhaps the idea is to persuade ethnic minorities to get vaccinated.
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16/02/2021 15:09:19 10 11
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The fact that lots of them died in the first wave.
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I don't think it's right obese people get it before anybody else,they only sit in the house and eat so shouldn't really catch it,working people who have to go on public transport are more needing Removed
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16/02/2021 15:13:28 10 2
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63% of the population is overweight, and 28% are obese.

They're just as likely to go on public transport as anyone else.
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16/02/2021 15:20:39 0 0
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The young(ish) fit, white do not matter.
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16/02/2021 15:21:59 0 0
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So only " thin" people work ? Wow you must be a joy to live with.
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Many of them are sick or disabled.
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16/02/2021 15:09:55 64 27
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Given that weight, ethnicity and underlying disease are the main risk factors irs difficult to see how the lefties keep blaming the Government for deaths !
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16/02/2021 15:16:05 24 23
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Because vulnerable people exist in other countries, but almost all those countries have a lower death rate.
That’s because you’re a troll acount. Removed
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16/02/2021 15:24:13 11 3
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How do you explain the low death rates in India and Africa if ethnicity is a factor?
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16/02/2021 15:45:13 1 1
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"Lefties" !!! Oh dear, I've seen and heard many "Righties" here and elsewhere blame ALL of the various UK governments for deaths...

Simple fact is whatever wee label you want to try and stick on others then they are right, the governments have been responsible for deaths in this BUT NOT as much as some of the public themselves who ignored or flouted the rules and spread the virus killing others.
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16/02/2021 15:05:51 35 12
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Are you aware what happened the last time we opened up? You obviously did not lose anyone but many people were not so lucky as you.
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16/02/2021 15:10:00 4 1
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Yes 99.9% of people
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16/02/2021 15:10:46 7 4
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This should also lead to some individuals being removed from "shielding". e.g. young adults with Down's Syndrome and otherwise good health get a Qcovid assessment far below a healthy 48yo male. And yet they have to shield because they are an "adult with DS" meaning they miss out on College education. A massive issue, missed by blanket categorisations.
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16/02/2021 15:58:37 0 0
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Maybe. Although most adults who have DS (my son being one) are born with other conditions e.g. Heart, Hearing, skin conditions (Psoriasis). They can't always tell you when there is something wrong, so can have something without you knowing for a few days. Before anyone starts talking about them all being overweight, they are not Some are actually underweight.
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16/02/2021 15:10:47 6 5
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Great move all the vulnerable in the top 4 groups check over 50s by April check more advanced shielders following studies check with this much vaccination during March and April opening up should be a formality.
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16/02/2021 15:12:07 39 3
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Shows how unhealthy the UK is!
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16/02/2021 15:20:58 39 9
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Exactly, this is the obesity crisis. Too many fat and unhealthy people in the UK, and that includes those that should know better working in the NHS! It should never be acceptable to see staff outside a side door of a hospital smoking or overweight!
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16/02/2021 15:23:13 2 0
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Well we won’t solve that overnight.
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16/02/2021 15:03:43 24 36
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Open up and let those who need to shield do so and provide them with support.
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16/02/2021 15:12:34 8 1
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Once the majority of vulnerable people have been vaccinated then, yes we can start to open up again.
Just how though did you expect 15m people including the old/vulnerable/NHS/carers to shield while the other 50+m of us went about a normal life?
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16/02/2021 15:24:18 0 0
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This is about TIMING - not a date - but an occurrenceof the MOST vunerable being made safER than had precautions not been made.

95% of the population will not experience any MAJOR factors having contracted present Covid-19 strains. Mortality is excessive for over 75 year olds.
Anyone (low risk groups) is COMPARITIVELY safe 0 years to age 55 years.

STOP the spread needs MOST people vaccinated.
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16/02/2021 15:13:13 3 21
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When this pandemic started The WHO annoinced "no evidence of human to human transmission".

Having watched the media in the ongoing months, speculation of how the virus is transmitted has remained just that... speculation.

The latest news is that scientists are "investigating how the virus is spreading even though people are distancing and wearing masks".

You cannot stop spread if unknown HOW.
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16/02/2021 15:14:54 16 1
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Garbage.
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16/02/2021 15:19:03 1 1
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Funny that your username is 'Think' but you are incapable of doing that!
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16/02/2021 15:22:51 2 0
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The Chinese told them there was no human to human transmission. They lied.
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Get lardy, get the vaccine!! Removed
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16/02/2021 15:19:00 2 0
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spot on
I don't think it's right obese people get it before anybody else,they only sit in the house and eat so shouldn't really catch it,working people who have to go on public transport are more needing Removed
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16/02/2021 15:13:28 10 2
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63% of the population is overweight, and 28% are obese.

They're just as likely to go on public transport as anyone else.
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16/02/2021 15:25:02 0 0
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Indeed, they normally squeeze up next to me on the seat, worse still if they've just put out a cigarette as the bus pulled in, it is nauseating. At least with social distancing and less people travelling they get their own seat now!
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16/02/2021 15:13:38 13 28
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This should have been advised from the beginning. Let the vulnerable shield and be taken care of by the rest of us who are fit and healthy and want their lives back. Many of the vulnerable are there because of their lifestyle choices so don’t call me selfish. I’m slim; exercise daily and eat healthily and bring my family up the same way.
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16/02/2021 15:20:54 4 1
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Visit my daughters ICU ward you will find exactly your selfish,argogant and "superman/woman" type-fighting for their lives. This is NOT fake news it truth in and around the UK. This Virus will attack anyone even if they appear healthy on the outside. Your "type" also allow the virus to mutate and if history is anything to go by worse to come even for you. Spanish Flew killed the "fit" too.
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16/02/2021 15:25:11 1 0
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Not all people on the vulnerable list are there because of lifestyle choices. How judgmental of you to suggest so. There are other reasons, mainly medical conditions. I only hope for you that your family never find themselves in the same situation.
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16/02/2021 15:37:18 1 0
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I'm slim, exercise daily and eat healthily & never been overweight in my entire life...

Personally, I do have some quite rare health conditions that make me vulnerable to Covid...

I also know people who are slim, exercise & eat healthily who ended up in ICU with Covid, so don't kid yourself that just because you and I are all of those things that we are immune to it or better than others...
Perhaps they should just target "culture" - after all it seems like certain cultures in multi-cultural UK have a different attitude to managing their lives during covid and this has resulted in higher death rates. Removed
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16/02/2021 15:13:42 20 66
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How does thinly veiled racism get so many thumbs up?
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16/02/2021 15:16:50 34 0
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Ian.. it's in the data and the leaders of certain communities are constantly banging on about how they're more vulnerable than the ever-blamed indigenous population. You can't have it both ways... or maybe you can, and that's the problem!
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It's not racist. It's a fact.
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you are mistaking realism with racism pal
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16/02/2021 15:20:26 26 2
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Is any criticism of any other culture/religion not allowed as it's "racist"? Do grow up.
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16/02/2021 15:24:28 11 1
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Trying to save the lives of people of all ethnicities cannot be racism.
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16/02/2021 15:25:49 8 3
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I would view it as stating the facts, YOU mention racism, which is totaly different to race!!
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16/02/2021 15:27:23 13 4
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Because it isn’t racism it’s a fact. Ethnicity in itself is not a Factor. It’s lifestyle, culture and choosing to ignore Covid rules. For those who live near ethnic minority areas we see it with our own eyes. They generally don’t follow social distancing rules, mix households and dint wear facemasks.
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Perhaps they should just target "culture" - after all it seems like certain cultures in multi-cultural UK have a different attitude to managing their lives during covid and this has resulted in higher death rates. Removed
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16/02/2021 15:13:42 19 6
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Perhaps political correctness should take a step back and inform people risking their,and other peoples health,by sticking to non-hygenic toilet practises that toilet paper is not haram.
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16/02/2021 15:38:23 2 1
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So you are saying that using toilet paper is more hygienic than washing oneself clean. King of the skid marks are you?
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16/02/2021 15:41:18 2 0
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And where, in your head, did the notion come from that toilet paper is haram? You are definitely racist.
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16/02/2021 15:42:45 0 0
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Who ever said toilet paper was haram ? If you are referring to using a hose, many then use the paper afterwards ! This is actually cleaner than paper alone. Someone who prays 5 times a day is also going to be very clean, remember that please. Hygiene was extremely important before Coronavirus to these 'people'!
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When this pandemic started The WHO annoinced "no evidence of human to human transmission".

Having watched the media in the ongoing months, speculation of how the virus is transmitted has remained just that... speculation.

The latest news is that scientists are "investigating how the virus is spreading even though people are distancing and wearing masks".

You cannot stop spread if unknown HOW.
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16/02/2021 15:14:54 16 1
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Garbage.
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16/02/2021 15:15:11 25 3
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Is ethnicity actually a root cause ? Is there reliable evidence to support this, once you take into account things like obesity, diabetes etc ? If it is, is it down to diet/Vitamin D levels?
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16/02/2021 15:19:17 18 3
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Many generations crowded into small houses, quite often.
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No. I read other studies stating that when other conditions were taken into account ethnicity was not a root cause.
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I don't think it is, but from what I have read, the BAME community is more likely to be in low paid work, to live in more deprived areas, to live in multi generational households etc, so there is a strong argument.

Though if that is the case, it makes it more puzzling to me why we are also told that is the community with the biggest percentage of people who are likely to refuse the vaccine.
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16/02/2021 15:32:27 2 1
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I am thinking the same regarding Vitamin D. Usually, the 'darker' someone's natural skin is, the more Vitamin D they require. So in the UK we don't get a lot of this from the Sun, and a lot of the most pale people are deficient, so I would expect many darker people are definitely. I know obesity, diabetes etc are higher risk factors but lacking Vitamin D is one of them too.
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16/02/2021 15:16:02 74 8
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Opens your eyes as to how unhealthy we are as a nation - obesity is a personal choice choice, Boris et al aren't shoving burgers and chips into people.
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16/02/2021 15:20:00 36 1
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We are 10 years behind the Yanks..forever fat obese..super morbidly obese..and there are plenty in UK, you are right!
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16/02/2021 15:20:39 11 12
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Obesity is not always a personal choice. Genetics and medical conditions can also play a part. That is a very naive comment.
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16/02/2021 15:24:49 13 2
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Aye he isn't. But he has shut all the gyms and pools and leisure centres and banned sports (unless you're professional) and made it very clear last year that this government couldn't give a monkeys about obesity when mcdonalds and pubs reopened before gyms
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16/02/2021 15:34:45 1 1
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He did into his own mouth by the looks of things and almost died. Still he appears to have learnt his lesson.
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16/02/2021 15:36:16 2 0
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I think technically Boris is obese as it is defined, although he has lost a few pounds since he had covid. Or did you mean morbidly obese which is a different matter. I'm technically obese, bit like Boris, but I try and only have burgers and chips once a month.
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16/02/2021 15:37:02 1 1
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Boris is a fatty though.

What do women see in him ?
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16/02/2021 15:57:46 1 0
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When over half of the population are overwieght, you have to wonder if there's something else going on rather than 'people' being lazy eating chips and burgers. Don't be so judgemental and nasty
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Given that weight, ethnicity and underlying disease are the main risk factors irs difficult to see how the lefties keep blaming the Government for deaths !
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Because vulnerable people exist in other countries, but almost all those countries have a lower death rate.
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16/02/2021 15:29:13 1 0
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They exist but as a smaller proportion, except USA where death rates also high
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Or have they simply not reported the cases and deaths as ‘efficiently’ as we have?
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I begin to feel like the government do whatever it takes to delay opening up. First it was only the most vulnerable, now it's those plus over 60s plus over 50s plus this new vulnerable group. Lockdown does so much harm, covid does too, but we need to find a balance.
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16/02/2021 15:16:43 13 5
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Just be patient. We are not asking you to fight in a war risking life and limb. Just asking to stay home. Really its not a huge sacrifice is it.
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16/02/2021 15:25:18 3 1
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But it's not as simple as just staying at home is it. The impact on mental health, jobs being lost and young peoples futures being destroyed all because they must "stay home". Easy to say if you are retired or on full pay which you obviously are.
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How does thinly veiled racism get so many thumbs up?
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Ian.. it's in the data and the leaders of certain communities are constantly banging on about how they're more vulnerable than the ever-blamed indigenous population. You can't have it both ways... or maybe you can, and that's the problem!
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16/02/2021 15:16:52 118 2
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Interesting that ethnicity is mentioned, when it was recognised specifically by Van Tam last week that ethnicity isn't the issue- socio economic factors and lifestyle are the real problem. The real problem it seems with ethnicity is not accepting the vaccine.
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16/02/2021 15:24:33 52 7
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Totally agree. Much of the 'ills' of the BAME community are not true anyway, it's a matter of socio economic factors that determine so much. BAME people (although that's a lazy generalisation I don't like) are disadvantaged in this way. Their 'colour' is irrelevant, but their circumstances are crucial. As for the anti-vax prevalence, they're not helping anyone least of all themselves.
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There is an issue with the way the immune system in some ethnicities overreacts to the virus, thus causing problems - although the factors you have mentioned are relevant too.
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Yes but they don't have information on your current job or your bank balance, but they do know your ethnicity and where you live. Therefore that's the info they have to use, which unfortunately is a generalisation.

This means many people will be advised to shield who don't need to. But at least is likely to cover everybody who does.
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I'm ot sure I agree. Many of the NHS Doctors who sadly died from covid were from the BAME community and I doubt they had any other contributory factors
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How does thinly veiled racism get so many thumbs up?
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It's not racist. It's a fact.
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Given that weight, ethnicity and underlying disease are the main risk factors irs difficult to see how the lefties keep blaming the Government for deaths !
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That’s because you’re a troll acount. Removed
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It's important to recognise ethnicity, weight and levels of deprivation.

After all, Britain is a compassionate society that looks after everyone, regardless of these factors or any others.
It's important to recognise ethnicity, weight and levels of deprivation.

One cannot account for self inflicted injury (refusing vaccination).
Ethnicity has nothing to do with RESPECTING BAME - but rather that nature itself must be biased, sexually discriminating, racist, ageist and unfair to those that want borders.

Viruses IGNORE borders.
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How does thinly veiled racism get so many thumbs up?
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you are mistaking realism with racism pal
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16/02/2021 15:22:45 5 24
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Generalised negative comments about the behaviour of ethnic groups is racism practically by definition and the reaction a sad indictment of the divisive society we have become, pal.
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It's important to recognise ethnicity, weight and levels of deprivation.

After all, Britain is a compassionate society that looks after everyone, regardless of these factors or any others.
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Actually, I do not think Britain as a whole is a compassionate society any longer, and it certainly does not believe we should look after everyone. It is everyone for themselves; but anyone else who has anything does not deserve it and should have it taken off them.

My evidence? The downvotes your post has received.
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16/02/2021 15:48:32 1 0
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When was it ever, David? There does seem to be a lot of pent-up anger as well, which is a product of unfair opportunity in society. I do think there is compassion within our society, born out with a post-war explosion of charity/volunteer organisations. People hep each other out, but they tend to do it quietly.
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The biggest risk factor by far after age is being male. It would of course be politically incorrect to prioritise men. But imagine if women were 2-3 times more likely to die, there would be no hesitation in giving them priority.
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16/02/2021 15:19:39 1 12
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But it’s I’m to prioritise on ethnicity?
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Or any other minority. White male probably is minority by now, maybe best start a campaign.
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16/02/2021 15:34:38 2 5
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Except female asthmatics between 40 and 50 yes have high death rate. They are lumped in with all non severe asthmatics and those who've ever been given a salbutamol inhaler, so are not singled out. Blows your theory out of the water there.
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I’m not sure I’d feel very chivalrous going ahead in the queue because I’m male. Happy to support ethnicity prioritisation for now. We can argue about why they’re more at risk later.
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Some people being re-prioritised upwards so will get their jabs quicker. Great. Except that by defnition means others have been re-prioritised downards, and will now have to wait longer for their vaccines than they would have before. Pretending otherwise is just complete nonsense
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16/02/2021 15:23:16 10 2
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they already did asthma sufferers re-prioritised downwards yesterday.
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16/02/2021 15:18:24 26 3
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That bumps me down the list then. But if these decisions have been guided by the science and will result in fewer deaths overall, then that's fine by me.
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16/02/2021 15:23:41 9 7
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But the orginal "priorities" were supposedly guided by the science. If the science hasn't changed, why have the priorities? All this is going to succeed in doing is annoy people, and lead people to question more and more.
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16/02/2021 15:18:31 22 15
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Why did you not mention that OBESITY is on the list? You lie by omission. Is the BBC afraid of upsetting people? If you are fat and always out of breath, you won't cope with Covid. People who have willpower and have looked after themselves are in Lockdown to protect you. It's not fair.
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16/02/2021 15:21:13 5 1
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Weight is on the list if you look
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16/02/2021 15:18:41 3 8
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Surely fairest way now is open booking website for all to book as and when they can get appointment at the mass centres.

GP’s could contact directly specific patients who they feel are vulnerable and get them in quick same as they do every year for flu jab.

It seems any prioritisation is just going to upset and wind up somebody.
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Nog
100% agree the message from day 1 should have been
Eat properly
Lose weight
Do exercise
Be sensible
Not hide in your rooms scared to look out of the bedroom,
My family all had it and it was no worse than a cold for a couple of days.
These LD are madness and history will judge the whole thing was massively manipulated to scare the country!
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16/02/2021 15:23:09 7 0
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What, and this was a coordinated manipulation by every government of every country in the world?
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16/02/2021 15:23:20 3 0
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Then there are families where its not been so pleasant. As an example, this guy at work has lost his mother, sister and brother. He has now long Covid.
History wont be knocking on his door saying it was just a SCARE.
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16/02/2021 15:24:54 5 1
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You're lucky that you got know more than cold symptoms, but over 100K have died and many more have been hospitalised. Your 'I'm all right Jack' philosophy to life just shows what an ignorant and selfish individual you are
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16/02/2021 15:25:09 2 0
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I'm a racing cyclist, so im not obese or unfit.. I had to suffer the effects of long covid for 3 months, caught because the schools were still open and my son brought it back home
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16/02/2021 15:52:57 0 0
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Mad as a box of frogs.
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16/02/2021 15:18:53 7 3
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That's handy! Ramp up the fear a bit more.
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Get lardy, get the vaccine!! Removed
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16/02/2021 15:19:00 2 0
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spot on
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16/02/2021 15:13:13 3 21
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When this pandemic started The WHO annoinced "no evidence of human to human transmission".

Having watched the media in the ongoing months, speculation of how the virus is transmitted has remained just that... speculation.

The latest news is that scientists are "investigating how the virus is spreading even though people are distancing and wearing masks".

You cannot stop spread if unknown HOW.
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16/02/2021 15:19:03 1 1
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Funny that your username is 'Think' but you are incapable of doing that!
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16/02/2021 15:15:11 25 3
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Is ethnicity actually a root cause ? Is there reliable evidence to support this, once you take into account things like obesity, diabetes etc ? If it is, is it down to diet/Vitamin D levels?
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16/02/2021 15:19:17 18 3
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Many generations crowded into small houses, quite often.
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16/02/2021 15:22:53 4 0
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Possibly, so prioritise people based on 'deprivation'/accommodation and not ethnicity
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16/02/2021 15:27:12 0 0
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spot on
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16/02/2021 15:19:24 9 1
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It makes some sense if the Government is committed to reopening the economy , and those who want to take this advice can get the help and benefits to allow them to do so . Having been sensible , rather than dogmatically following it myself it's still been the most boring and depressing period of my life.

The vaccines offer hope that the nightmare will end and it can't come too soon.
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16/02/2021 15:35:28 1 2
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I see nothing about the vaccines that is offering hope this finishes soon. We were told vaccines were the cure and the way back to normal, but that isn't the message now it seems. Vaccinating 15 million people who can still get Covid but now will not be ill seems to have just created 15 million super spreaders! This ends with riots and civil unrest over the summer if lockdowns don't end soon.
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16/02/2021 15:19:32 3 5
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Confusion reigns with all this, If people like the average person dont know then those in this sector wont know.
Perhaps on the next pandemic we might have a plan.
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16/02/2021 15:17:45 88 19
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The biggest risk factor by far after age is being male. It would of course be politically incorrect to prioritise men. But imagine if women were 2-3 times more likely to die, there would be no hesitation in giving them priority.
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16/02/2021 15:19:39 1 12
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But it’s I’m to prioritise on ethnicity?
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16/02/2021 15:24:13 4 0
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sorry don't follow your comment
Perhaps they should just target "culture" - after all it seems like certain cultures in multi-cultural UK have a different attitude to managing their lives during covid and this has resulted in higher death rates. Removed
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16/02/2021 15:19:52 13 0
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As i Have always said we do not live in a multi-cultural country. We live in a country with many ethnicities and cultures that by and large live within those cultures. If we were multi-cultural they would be evenly spread all over the UK. With this system many cultures live outside the parameters of trust that other do.
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16/02/2021 15:08:34 18 24
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I begin to feel like the government do whatever it takes to delay opening up. First it was only the most vulnerable, now it's those plus over 60s plus over 50s plus this new vulnerable group. Lockdown does so much harm, covid does too, but we need to find a balance.
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16/02/2021 15:19:59 2 0
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We have to vaccinate as many as necessary, and we don’t want to open up TOO early, or else we will end up back in lockdown a few months later.
We HAVE to have learned our lessons from last year, and open up carefully and cautiously if the rates are low enough, and remember to socially distance etc., because the virus has NOT have gone away, just waiting for us to let down our guard. So don’t.
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16/02/2021 15:16:02 74 8
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Opens your eyes as to how unhealthy we are as a nation - obesity is a personal choice choice, Boris et al aren't shoving burgers and chips into people.
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16/02/2021 15:20:00 36 1
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We are 10 years behind the Yanks..forever fat obese..super morbidly obese..and there are plenty in UK, you are right!
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16/02/2021 15:13:42 20 66
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How does thinly veiled racism get so many thumbs up?
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16/02/2021 15:20:26 26 2
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Is any criticism of any other culture/religion not allowed as it's "racist"? Do grow up.
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16/02/2021 15:20:34 14 4
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It’s great that these people have been identified and can be supported to shield, get the vaccine quicker and get the right Heath advice for their future. Good for them, good for us, good for the NHS
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16/02/2021 15:52:48 1 0
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Why do the obese need right advice or more health advice, for those that don't have some additional underlying cause for their obesity the advice is simple. Get more active, exercise more, eat better, eat less. They had a choice to be fit or fat why reward them for it. If you dig below the headlines countries that have broadly fitter/healthier populations have generally lower death rates.
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16/02/2021 15:16:02 74 8
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Opens your eyes as to how unhealthy we are as a nation - obesity is a personal choice choice, Boris et al aren't shoving burgers and chips into people.
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16/02/2021 15:20:39 11 12
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Obesity is not always a personal choice. Genetics and medical conditions can also play a part. That is a very naive comment.
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16/02/2021 15:34:36 6 1
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Obesity is not always a personal choice, so it should not become like smoking. I do agree that it should be drummed into people that being obese through personal choice is a massive error.
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16/02/2021 15:46:44 1 3
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You can’t make fat out of fresh air, eat too much you get FAT simples
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16/02/2021 15:55:39 1 0
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Yeah not always a personal choice for those with underlying medical conditions. But for most of the obese it has been and is a personal choice, simple advice - exercise more, eat less/eat healthier food.
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16/02/2021 15:57:46 0 0
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Thats true Katie, but lets face it the vast majority of clinically obese did have control of what they eat.

You would think the pandemic would be a wake up call, but sadly probably not.
I don't think it's right obese people get it before anybody else,they only sit in the house and eat so shouldn't really catch it,working people who have to go on public transport are more needing Removed
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16/02/2021 15:20:39 0 0
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The young(ish) fit, white do not matter.
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16/02/2021 15:13:38 13 28
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This should have been advised from the beginning. Let the vulnerable shield and be taken care of by the rest of us who are fit and healthy and want their lives back. Many of the vulnerable are there because of their lifestyle choices so don’t call me selfish. I’m slim; exercise daily and eat healthily and bring my family up the same way.
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16/02/2021 15:20:54 4 1
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Visit my daughters ICU ward you will find exactly your selfish,argogant and "superman/woman" type-fighting for their lives. This is NOT fake news it truth in and around the UK. This Virus will attack anyone even if they appear healthy on the outside. Your "type" also allow the virus to mutate and if history is anything to go by worse to come even for you. Spanish Flew killed the "fit" too.
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16/02/2021 15:12:07 39 3
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Shows how unhealthy the UK is!
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16/02/2021 15:20:58 39 9
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Exactly, this is the obesity crisis. Too many fat and unhealthy people in the UK, and that includes those that should know better working in the NHS! It should never be acceptable to see staff outside a side door of a hospital smoking or overweight!
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16/02/2021 15:18:31 22 15
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Why did you not mention that OBESITY is on the list? You lie by omission. Is the BBC afraid of upsetting people? If you are fat and always out of breath, you won't cope with Covid. People who have willpower and have looked after themselves are in Lockdown to protect you. It's not fair.
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16/02/2021 15:21:13 5 1
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Weight is on the list if you look
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16/02/2021 15:21:23 7 2
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It gets stranger daily.

As we come out of pandemic travel rules, more testing and now shielding becoming more urgent?

I’m sure it’s been mentioned a few times, but surely the door is being shut way after the horse bolted.
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16/02/2021 15:21:47 22 11
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@ Nog

"Many of the vulnerable are there because of their lifestyle choices so don’t call me selfish. I’m slim; exercise daily and eat healthily and bring my family up the same way."

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A very ignorant and arrogant comment. Cancer and other serious conditions can run in some families, people don't choose it. Similarly other people are born with very serious health conditions.
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16/02/2021 15:27:37 4 4
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Absolutely correct.
The virus has an affinity for certain types of DNA being more suitable for selection.
It is not all about life choices as some people are naturally large while some are small, some fat, some thin and is mre to do with DNA than personal choosing.
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16/02/2021 15:27:38 2 0
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In fairness this person was talking about obesity, which while not a choice is something that can be rectified with a healthier lifestyle in most cases. Same as illness through drinking and smoking.
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16/02/2021 15:31:40 1 1
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It's not arrogance. Ignore age which we know is one of the biggest factors to death or serious illness from Covid, the next at risk group are those with diseases related to lifestyle. Nog also said many of the vulnerable, not all.
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16/02/2021 15:03:43 24 36
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Open up and let those who need to shield do so and provide them with support.
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16/02/2021 15:21:50 8 0
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That is what happened, and our NHS was brought to the brink of collapse.

Comments like this beggar belief. Me, me, me. Let me get on with exactly what I want to do, and anyone who is vulnerable should just crawl into a hole, never go outside again and never see anyone again.

So you'll be fine with voluntarily shutting yourself off when you reach 70, will you?
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16/02/2021 15:15:11 25 3
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Is ethnicity actually a root cause ? Is there reliable evidence to support this, once you take into account things like obesity, diabetes etc ? If it is, is it down to diet/Vitamin D levels?
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16/02/2021 15:21:53 6 1
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No. I read other studies stating that when other conditions were taken into account ethnicity was not a root cause.
I don't think it's right obese people get it before anybody else,they only sit in the house and eat so shouldn't really catch it,working people who have to go on public transport are more needing Removed
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16/02/2021 15:21:59 0 0
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So only " thin" people work ? Wow you must be a joy to live with.
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16/02/2021 15:21:59 75 21
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Time to make obesity as socially unacceptable as smoking.
I know some people have disabilities which can cause obesity but many more do not.
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16/02/2021 15:23:58 37 36
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Bet you're a bundle of laughs.
I suppose everything that you do is 'right' and if not 'ban it'.
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16/02/2021 15:24:57 12 9
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Agree, i would rather not have obese people in restaurants, pubs, shops, in covered areas, public transport and would actively encourage "No obese areas".
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16/02/2021 15:26:34 7 3
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You can’t make fat out of water and fresh air
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16/02/2021 15:28:05 11 10
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What a lovely compassionate person you are
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16/02/2021 15:29:33 19 7
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Shhh, you'll upset the woke crowd with comments like that. Apparently it's all about body positivity which means it's ok to be obese even if it does put an extra strain on the NHS.
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16/02/2021 15:36:46 0 1
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agree, but it'll take generations to implement - just as it has with smoking
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16/02/2021 15:38:42 1 2
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“We shall ban the from the beaches”
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16/02/2021 15:44:13 6 0
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I was the epitome of fit & slender for decades, then my thyroid went wrong
I probably eat a healthier diet than you, so don't be so judge mental & keep your fingers crossed it doesn't happen to you
Some of us do not get a choice & wish to God we did
Personally I think the employed should be jabbed first. Essential workers first
Posties, supermarket packers + Dr's & nurses are my hero's
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16/02/2021 15:46:32 4 0
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Yes some people do have disabilities. My daughter for one. Looking at her you would probably just think she is fat and lazy but she fights every day having to take 30 prescription medications for her complex medical needs. Some days she struggles to get out of bed but she fights on and is currently studying her masters. Why should she be made to feel socially unaccepted.
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16/02/2021 15:54:48 1 0
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Well Jacks fat people only hurt themselves in the main. Of course you will raise the issue of the extra cost to the NHS etc but, generally I am correct. Can we please go for drivers as a priority though. I live near the south circular in London and the instances of non smokers with COPD is high. Don't tell me... you are driver so disagree? Please stop driving and take up eating instead.
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16/02/2021 15:03:43 24 36
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Open up and let those who need to shield do so and provide them with support.
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16/02/2021 15:22:25 6 1
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That’s what we did at the end of the first lockdown, and we just ended up back into lockdown, because people just didn’t follow the guidelines, despite being warned. If they had, properly, lockdown no, 2 may not have happened.
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16/02/2021 15:41:28 0 0
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rubbish
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16/02/2021 15:08:34 18 24
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I begin to feel like the government do whatever it takes to delay opening up. First it was only the most vulnerable, now it's those plus over 60s plus over 50s plus this new vulnerable group. Lockdown does so much harm, covid does too, but we need to find a balance.
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16/02/2021 15:22:27 1 0
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Well so far we have over 100,000 deaths from covid.

How many deaths have been caused by lockdown again?
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16/02/2021 15:22:29 34 11
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maybe the people who pay tax to the goverment should be moved up the list.
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16/02/2021 15:25:46 14 19
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Everyone pays tax
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16/02/2021 15:26:17 5 0
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Particularly higher rate tax payers (sadly, I am not one)!
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16/02/2021 15:32:56 6 5
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Agree Gary C, iv'e paid into the pot since 1975 and i'm still waiting, perhaps i should have got my fat butt of a boat in kent, (probably be given a house as well)
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16/02/2021 15:22:32 57 20
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It's long been the case that the more you take care of yourself and family, the more you're shoved to the bottom of the pile. Money, work, health - always the same. You do your bit so all the folk that don't care about such things get put to the front of the queue.

Just carry on slugging away at the gym so the larger folk can sit on their rumps glorying in a vaccine coming their way.
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16/02/2021 15:25:15 12 5
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So true
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16/02/2021 15:26:26 3 14
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Rather selfish aren't you?
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16/02/2021 15:27:29 4 7
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Thank you so much for the hours you spend at the gym for me.
Who set you up as a Guardian of Society?
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16/02/2021 15:32:20 3 0
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Of course, if you're healthy you don't need treatment!
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16/02/2021 15:30:23 2 0
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Spot on bag of crisps
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16/02/2021 15:17:28 33 2
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you are mistaking realism with racism pal
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16/02/2021 15:22:45 5 24
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Generalised negative comments about the behaviour of ethnic groups is racism practically by definition and the reaction a sad indictment of the divisive society we have become, pal.
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16/02/2021 15:46:19 0 0
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Analysis tells us that C19's affecting some differently: if any sector or ethnicity which has chosen to live here; not indigenous say 60 years ago;, who tend to live in parallel, by forming a largely 'from the same culture' strand of society & if their lifestyle or even inherent characteristics means they're proven by science to be more vulnerable to Covid, I do not think it's racist to say so
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16/02/2021 15:56:29 0 0
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(2) to know this is to be able to identify them as more at risk & raise them up the Vaccine priority list...how is that racist?

Individuals from certain ethnic backgrounds are at greater risk of Thalassaemia...it is not racist to be aware of this & look out for an early diagnosis; we target an 'ethnic' group to improve their prognosis/outcome

How's this different to targeting Covid concerns?
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16/02/2021 15:13:13 3 21
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When this pandemic started The WHO annoinced "no evidence of human to human transmission".

Having watched the media in the ongoing months, speculation of how the virus is transmitted has remained just that... speculation.

The latest news is that scientists are "investigating how the virus is spreading even though people are distancing and wearing masks".

You cannot stop spread if unknown HOW.
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16/02/2021 15:22:51 2 0
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The Chinese told them there was no human to human transmission. They lied.
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16/02/2021 15:19:17 18 3
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Many generations crowded into small houses, quite often.
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16/02/2021 15:22:53 4 0
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Possibly, so prioritise people based on 'deprivation'/accommodation and not ethnicity
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16/02/2021 15:40:23 2 0
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Is that not prioritising people based upon culture? Various groups live in multi-generational houses as part of their culture rather than any "deprivation" issue - it was interesting that the first 12 doctors who died of covid were all BAME - but hardly "deprived" or having trouble accessing the NHS.
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16/02/2021 15:18:50 11 23
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Nog
100% agree the message from day 1 should have been
Eat properly
Lose weight
Do exercise
Be sensible
Not hide in your rooms scared to look out of the bedroom,
My family all had it and it was no worse than a cold for a couple of days.
These LD are madness and history will judge the whole thing was massively manipulated to scare the country!
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16/02/2021 15:23:09 7 0
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What, and this was a coordinated manipulation by every government of every country in the world?
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16/02/2021 15:12:07 39 3
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Shows how unhealthy the UK is!
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16/02/2021 15:23:13 2 0
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Well we won’t solve that overnight.
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16/02/2021 15:18:15 20 5
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Some people being re-prioritised upwards so will get their jabs quicker. Great. Except that by defnition means others have been re-prioritised downards, and will now have to wait longer for their vaccines than they would have before. Pretending otherwise is just complete nonsense
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16/02/2021 15:23:16 10 2
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they already did asthma sufferers re-prioritised downwards yesterday.
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16/02/2021 15:18:50 11 23
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Nog
100% agree the message from day 1 should have been
Eat properly
Lose weight
Do exercise
Be sensible
Not hide in your rooms scared to look out of the bedroom,
My family all had it and it was no worse than a cold for a couple of days.
These LD are madness and history will judge the whole thing was massively manipulated to scare the country!
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16/02/2021 15:23:20 3 0
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Then there are families where its not been so pleasant. As an example, this guy at work has lost his mother, sister and brother. He has now long Covid.
History wont be knocking on his door saying it was just a SCARE.
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16/02/2021 15:05:05 27 9
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So just what is it about these newly identified 1.7M people that requires shielding? Seems to me it is the combination of age (already taken care of) plus deprivation, ethnicity and obesity, which have long been known to be a poor mix in terms of Covid-19. Perhaps the idea is to persuade ethnic minorities to get vaccinated.
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16/02/2021 15:23:38 0 0
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I have an AI disorder. It's rare and medical professionals don't know what causes it - possibly triggered by a rogue reaction to some virus.

It appeared out of nowhere when I was 29. I don't require ongoing suppressant medication so I wasn't categorised in the most at risk group.

I'm fit, healthy, white Caucasian, and have a BMI ~19.8.

I get my vacc this week. I guess they think I'm at risk
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16/02/2021 15:18:24 26 3
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That bumps me down the list then. But if these decisions have been guided by the science and will result in fewer deaths overall, then that's fine by me.
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16/02/2021 15:23:41 9 7
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But the orginal "priorities" were supposedly guided by the science. If the science hasn't changed, why have the priorities? All this is going to succeed in doing is annoy people, and lead people to question more and more.
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16/02/2021 15:39:14 0 0
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I would like my Son to be vaccinated soon. He has asthma, and is considered ‘vulnerable’. Asthma can be very serious, and people who have it seem to have been pushed down the queue. Other groups seem to be being prioritised now.
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16/02/2021 15:42:09 1 0
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The article says why the science has changed - they have taken into account factors other than health. Clearly some bod has determined that health isn't the only risk factor and come up with this new model. Some people will go lower down the list for a vaccine, but based on this research, they are less at risk anyway.
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16/02/2021 15:46:46 1 0
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the priorities haven't changed, just more people placed in cohort 6 "clinically vulnerable". As more vulnerabilities are identified, more people will be added, but in 3 weeks time cohort 7 will be opened, quickly followed by 8 & 9, so people won't have to be annoyed for very long
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16/02/2021 15:17:45 88 19
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The biggest risk factor by far after age is being male. It would of course be politically incorrect to prioritise men. But imagine if women were 2-3 times more likely to die, there would be no hesitation in giving them priority.
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16/02/2021 15:23:50 13 9
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Or any other minority. White male probably is minority by now, maybe best start a campaign.
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16/02/2021 15:34:12 4 2
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They really aren't though, it's still bar far the majority but I guess you need someone to blame so that doesn't fit your narrative.
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16/02/2021 15:52:08 1 0
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Sorry I see more white males than any other human every day so I'd check your glasses or go back to taking the tablets again if you genuinely think that is true.
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16/02/2021 15:21:59 75 21
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Time to make obesity as socially unacceptable as smoking.
I know some people have disabilities which can cause obesity but many more do not.
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16/02/2021 15:23:58 37 36
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Bet you're a bundle of laughs.
I suppose everything that you do is 'right' and if not 'ban it'.
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16/02/2021 15:09:55 64 27
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Given that weight, ethnicity and underlying disease are the main risk factors irs difficult to see how the lefties keep blaming the Government for deaths !
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16/02/2021 15:24:13 11 3
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How do you explain the low death rates in India and Africa if ethnicity is a factor?
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16/02/2021 15:33:07 5 0
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Katie - age is my far and away the biggest factor and Africa and India have very young populations (especially Africa). Japan is interesting, given it's the old population on the planet.
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16/02/2021 15:38:32 3 2
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Because Covid doesn't fare very well in the heat. Ask Australia. You seem to have an opinion on every comment here and they all have the same theme. Daily Mail reader by any chance? Not a fan of Meghan Markle but a huge fan of Kate?
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16/02/2021 15:58:00 0 0
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Along with youthful population no low levels of vitamin D due to all that sunshine
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16/02/2021 15:19:39 1 12
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But it’s I’m to prioritise on ethnicity?
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16/02/2021 15:24:13 4 0
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sorry don't follow your comment
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16/02/2021 15:12:34 8 1
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Once the majority of vulnerable people have been vaccinated then, yes we can start to open up again.
Just how though did you expect 15m people including the old/vulnerable/NHS/carers to shield while the other 50+m of us went about a normal life?
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16/02/2021 15:24:18 0 0
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This is about TIMING - not a date - but an occurrenceof the MOST vunerable being made safER than had precautions not been made.

95% of the population will not experience any MAJOR factors having contracted present Covid-19 strains. Mortality is excessive for over 75 year olds.
Anyone (low risk groups) is COMPARITIVELY safe 0 years to age 55 years.

STOP the spread needs MOST people vaccinated.
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16/02/2021 15:13:42 20 66
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How does thinly veiled racism get so many thumbs up?
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16/02/2021 15:24:28 11 1
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Trying to save the lives of people of all ethnicities cannot be racism.
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16/02/2021 15:16:52 118 2
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Interesting that ethnicity is mentioned, when it was recognised specifically by Van Tam last week that ethnicity isn't the issue- socio economic factors and lifestyle are the real problem. The real problem it seems with ethnicity is not accepting the vaccine.
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16/02/2021 15:24:33 52 7
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Totally agree. Much of the 'ills' of the BAME community are not true anyway, it's a matter of socio economic factors that determine so much. BAME people (although that's a lazy generalisation I don't like) are disadvantaged in this way. Their 'colour' is irrelevant, but their circumstances are crucial. As for the anti-vax prevalence, they're not helping anyone least of all themselves.
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16/02/2021 15:42:13 2 2
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Are they "disadvantaged" in that way or is it a cultural choice?
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16/02/2021 15:08:34 18 24
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I begin to feel like the government do whatever it takes to delay opening up. First it was only the most vulnerable, now it's those plus over 60s plus over 50s plus this new vulnerable group. Lockdown does so much harm, covid does too, but we need to find a balance.
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16/02/2021 15:24:35 0 0
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This latest move is just about shuffling 20% of the previous established vulnerable group forward in priority. (They were already scheduled ahead of the 50 to 65 year olds .)
Once hospitalisations and deaths come down some more, the government will open things, and probably with less caution than some scientists advise.
I don't think it's right obese people get it before anybody else,they only sit in the house and eat so shouldn't really catch it,working people who have to go on public transport are more needing Removed
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16/02/2021 15:24:39 0 0
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Many of them are sick or disabled.
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16/02/2021 15:16:02 74 8
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Opens your eyes as to how unhealthy we are as a nation - obesity is a personal choice choice, Boris et al aren't shoving burgers and chips into people.
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16/02/2021 15:24:49 13 2
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Aye he isn't. But he has shut all the gyms and pools and leisure centres and banned sports (unless you're professional) and made it very clear last year that this government couldn't give a monkeys about obesity when mcdonalds and pubs reopened before gyms
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16/02/2021 15:47:25 0 0
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You don’t have to eat junk food
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16/02/2021 15:18:50 11 23
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Nog
100% agree the message from day 1 should have been
Eat properly
Lose weight
Do exercise
Be sensible
Not hide in your rooms scared to look out of the bedroom,
My family all had it and it was no worse than a cold for a couple of days.
These LD are madness and history will judge the whole thing was massively manipulated to scare the country!
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16/02/2021 15:24:54 5 1
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You're lucky that you got know more than cold symptoms, but over 100K have died and many more have been hospitalised. Your 'I'm all right Jack' philosophy to life just shows what an ignorant and selfish individual you are
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16/02/2021 15:21:59 75 21
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Time to make obesity as socially unacceptable as smoking.
I know some people have disabilities which can cause obesity but many more do not.
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16/02/2021 15:24:57 12 9
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Agree, i would rather not have obese people in restaurants, pubs, shops, in covered areas, public transport and would actively encourage "No obese areas".
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16/02/2021 15:15:11 25 3
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Is ethnicity actually a root cause ? Is there reliable evidence to support this, once you take into account things like obesity, diabetes etc ? If it is, is it down to diet/Vitamin D levels?
Maybe some ethnicities are weaker. Removed
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16/02/2021 15:13:28 10 2
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63% of the population is overweight, and 28% are obese.

They're just as likely to go on public transport as anyone else.
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16/02/2021 15:25:02 0 0
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Indeed, they normally squeeze up next to me on the seat, worse still if they've just put out a cigarette as the bus pulled in, it is nauseating. At least with social distancing and less people travelling they get their own seat now!
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Nog
100% agree the message from day 1 should have been
Eat properly
Lose weight
Do exercise
Be sensible
Not hide in your rooms scared to look out of the bedroom,
My family all had it and it was no worse than a cold for a couple of days.
These LD are madness and history will judge the whole thing was massively manipulated to scare the country!
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16/02/2021 15:25:09 2 0
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I'm a racing cyclist, so im not obese or unfit.. I had to suffer the effects of long covid for 3 months, caught because the schools were still open and my son brought it back home
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16/02/2021 15:22:32 57 20
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It's long been the case that the more you take care of yourself and family, the more you're shoved to the bottom of the pile. Money, work, health - always the same. You do your bit so all the folk that don't care about such things get put to the front of the queue.

Just carry on slugging away at the gym so the larger folk can sit on their rumps glorying in a vaccine coming their way.
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16/02/2021 15:25:15 12 5
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So true
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16/02/2021 15:16:43 13 5
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Just be patient. We are not asking you to fight in a war risking life and limb. Just asking to stay home. Really its not a huge sacrifice is it.
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16/02/2021 15:25:18 3 1
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But it's not as simple as just staying at home is it. The impact on mental health, jobs being lost and young peoples futures being destroyed all because they must "stay home". Easy to say if you are retired or on full pay which you obviously are.
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16/02/2021 15:25:19 4 0
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Of this extra 1.7m 900k have already been offered, so leaves 800k which in reality is kind of what we are vaccinating in 2 days, so really bumping rest of us down by 1 or 2 days. So not a big issue really I guess.
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16/02/2021 15:25:29 10 3
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That’s the asthmatics even further down the list if they generally look after themselves.
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16/02/2021 15:30:13 1 1
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You really don't know much about asthma if you think you have a choice on how severe you suffer from it.
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16/02/2021 15:22:29 34 11
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maybe the people who pay tax to the goverment should be moved up the list.
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16/02/2021 15:25:46 14 19
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Everyone pays tax
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16/02/2021 15:35:24 5 0
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Yes true, but some pay their tax with other people's tax
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16/02/2021 15:13:42 20 66
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How does thinly veiled racism get so many thumbs up?
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16/02/2021 15:25:49 8 3
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I would view it as stating the facts, YOU mention racism, which is totaly different to race!!
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16/02/2021 15:26:13 1 2
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The only problem with this all those with health issues who have not had the jab are all due theirs now as they will be in groups 5-6. & i think those who have self inflicted health issues on themselves like smokers should have wait till their age range is called not be able to jump in b4 those who are guienuely @ risk through disability they have since birth.