Du Plessis retires from Test cricket
17/02/2021 | sport | cricket | 122
South Africa batsman Faf du Plessis says "the time is right" to step away from Tests and that he wants to play in the next two T20 World Cups.
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An excellent player & will take some replacing. I wonder if he may end up playing county cricket in England.
I notice the hopeless BBC cricket coverage still hasn’t bothered to correct the Moeen issue. Root apologised last evening to Mo the decision for him to return home was made weeks ago by England.
Mo has a week at home then back for white ball. Otherwise he was away for 2-3 months.
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17/02/2021 08:38:24 8 5
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You never know may do County circuit along with working with the Future Players being a Mentor within the set up as well.

Been thrilling matches too v Pakistan lately so good cricket happening globally too.

As for the Mo issue been handled badly by the ECB and the BBC but guess we are used to Mo being treated badly at times.
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Great player, enjoy the slog festival!
not sure why we get an HYS on this and not on the other drivel written by the 'cricket correspondent'
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17/02/2021 08:05:23 29 0
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Very good player, who was a respectful competitor. He served his country well.

Sad that white ball cricket is increasingly becoming the dominant form of the game though.
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17/02/2021 10:15:32 5 0
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Simply put people do not have the time or the luxury for test cricket as a rule, at 36 his earning potential in the game is limited at best.
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bob
17/02/2021 11:45:44 3 0
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Well said - but (if I may) respectful and respected. I can understand his desire to finish his playing career topping up his wallet (and we all try to do it in some way or other - so it does not diminish the man) but it is sad that the white ball is chasing the red ball out. Bit like squirrels really :-)
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17/02/2021 19:04:21 2 1
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I suspect you are spot on. However, almost all my cricket following friends only watch competitive white ball cricket (World Cup etc). None of us would consider buying tickets for a white ball best of 3 series. We do however, buy tickets for Tests.
Perhaps younger fans like the formulaic nature of white ball. Personally I’d rather cut the grass with scissors for the 30 overs in the middle.
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Money talks....
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17/02/2021 08:13:52 11 6
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Agree always good to watch but come on, 'So I can be the best player I can be' ..... what tosh, just be honest 'so I can make as much money as I can'.
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17/02/2021 08:31:59 10 13
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Exactly.

T20 is just baseball without the roids.

Watched by simpletons with no attention span.

The kind who prefer NFL to rugby.
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17/02/2021 08:23:44 5 6
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Well go or get dropped. He is past tense. Not a great test player but a solid mostly reliable contributor until now. I'm not sure his T20 value is high. We will see.
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18/02/2021 02:06:45 1 0
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Not a great test player but averages higher than Sir Ben Stokes.
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17/02/2021 08:13:52 11 6
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Agree always good to watch but come on, 'So I can be the best player I can be' ..... what tosh, just be honest 'so I can make as much money as I can'.
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17/02/2021 08:31:59 10 13
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Exactly.

T20 is just baseball without the roids.

Watched by simpletons with no attention span.

The kind who prefer NFL to rugby.
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17/02/2021 08:55:14 7 2
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I take it you didn't enjoy Ben Stokes's Headingly innings then? While promotion of shorter formats of the game have inevitably had an effect on many batsmen's ability to remain at the crease, innings like Stokes' would simply not have happened without his experience in white ball. On day 5 of a test with 40 needed from two overs, would you prefer Gayle or Boycott at the crease. I love all cricket.
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17/02/2021 11:22:33 3 2
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Dreadful comment. Who are you? The gatekeeper to all cricket?

Can't stand you high-and-mighty types that think anyone who watches T20 is braindead.
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17/02/2021 16:02:14 2 0
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I watch both NFL and rugby - appreciate the skills in both sports - which in case you don't know are totally different in many aspects. Perhaps if you knew more about them then you would understand that.
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That’s some of the most ignorant comparisons I’ve ever seen.
T20 has 0 complexity.
The others have significant tactical nuances. Maybe, as you so succinctly put it, only simpletons fail to understand this.
An excellent player & will take some replacing. I wonder if he may end up playing county cricket in England.
I notice the hopeless BBC cricket coverage still hasn’t bothered to correct the Moeen issue. Root apologised last evening to Mo the decision for him to return home was made weeks ago by England.
Mo has a week at home then back for white ball. Otherwise he was away for 2-3 months.
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You never know may do County circuit along with working with the Future Players being a Mentor within the set up as well.

Been thrilling matches too v Pakistan lately so good cricket happening globally too.

As for the Mo issue been handled badly by the ECB and the BBC but guess we are used to Mo being treated badly at times.
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17/02/2021 08:40:11 4 10
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Like most South Africans he's finally jumped on the gravy train of T20 and will go to any franchise that will pay him for the next 2-3 years!
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17/02/2021 09:13:35 11 1
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Something that is by no means limited to South Africans but don't let that stop you digging the knife in.
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17/02/2021 10:11:58 2 0
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Ridiculous comment.

"Most South Africans" are playing in England/Australia anyway......
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17/02/2021 19:10:49 0 0
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Another well researched piece of nonsense.
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17/02/2021 08:31:59 10 13
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Exactly.

T20 is just baseball without the roids.

Watched by simpletons with no attention span.

The kind who prefer NFL to rugby.
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17/02/2021 08:55:14 7 2
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I take it you didn't enjoy Ben Stokes's Headingly innings then? While promotion of shorter formats of the game have inevitably had an effect on many batsmen's ability to remain at the crease, innings like Stokes' would simply not have happened without his experience in white ball. On day 5 of a test with 40 needed from two overs, would you prefer Gayle or Boycott at the crease. I love all cricket.
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17/02/2021 09:37:27 3 2
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excellent post well written .........
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17/02/2021 09:50:42 4 2
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T20 is improving Test cricket?

What nonsense.

Will England ever produce a decent opener again?

As for the Headingley innings, I will accept that T20 might have introduced the idea of flicks into the game, but as you'll remember, Stokes scored less than 10 runs in his first 100 balls.

That innings was built on gritty test cricket batting.
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17/02/2021 09:51:35 1 1
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Also, I never mentioned one day cricket.
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17/02/2021 10:24:58 1 2
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I’m not sure what your point is? From the BBC coverage Stokes was dropped on 34, 117 and should have been given out lbw on 131. Are you suggesting he’s the only batsmen to score a fourth innings century? That fielding’s got worse? That bats have got bigger?
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17/02/2021 23:33:05 0 0
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Boycott ?? he’d bat out for the draw. For every big Gayle innings there’s one where he slices it and is caught in single figures.
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17/02/2021 09:11:35 25 2
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You can't blame Faf for topping up his pension by focusing his diminishing playing days on the T20 Franchise merry go around. SA players aren't paid half what their pampered England counterparts are, so good luck to him. Been a good servant to SA cricket for many years.
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17/02/2021 09:13:27 4 7
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The best players leave behind the thrash of ODIs and T20 and concentrate on playing Test Cricket for as long as possible.
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les
17/02/2021 09:37:53 2 0
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.......and become poorer for it !
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17/02/2021 11:19:30 0 0
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I'm sure Du Plessis will lay awake at night after reading your comment.

If he even reads it at all.
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17/02/2021 11:50:18 0 0
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Like who? Name one of these 'best' players who has given up the short formats to concentrate solely on test cricket.
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17/02/2021 18:56:18 0 0
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Really? Who?
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17/02/2021 08:40:11 4 10
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Like most South Africans he's finally jumped on the gravy train of T20 and will go to any franchise that will pay him for the next 2-3 years!
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17/02/2021 09:13:35 11 1
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Something that is by no means limited to South Africans but don't let that stop you digging the knife in.
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17/02/2021 09:13:44 11 0
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Du Plessis was a good test batsman. Average a tad over 40. Good luck for the future Faf ??
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17/02/2021 11:49:05 1 4
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Perhaps he wanted to bow out before his average dipped below 40, which in all likelihood would have been in his next test match.
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17/02/2021 14:42:27 0 4
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WHY DIDN'T ADD HE IS BALL TEMPERING EXPERT CAUGHT NOT LESS THAN TWICE
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17/02/2021 09:27:56 5 0
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Might not be at or near the top of batting averages but his contribution to the Proteas over the years has been that of a leader. Being captain doesn't necessarily mean you are the teams best player. He has been a good leader & will be missed. He is certainly not the first, and will not be the last, to see out one's playing time in these slog tournaments.
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17/02/2021 08:55:14 7 2
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I take it you didn't enjoy Ben Stokes's Headingly innings then? While promotion of shorter formats of the game have inevitably had an effect on many batsmen's ability to remain at the crease, innings like Stokes' would simply not have happened without his experience in white ball. On day 5 of a test with 40 needed from two overs, would you prefer Gayle or Boycott at the crease. I love all cricket.
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17/02/2021 09:37:27 3 2
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excellent post well written .........
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17/02/2021 09:13:27 4 7
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The best players leave behind the thrash of ODIs and T20 and concentrate on playing Test Cricket for as long as possible.
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les
17/02/2021 09:37:53 2 0
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.......and become poorer for it !
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17/02/2021 09:45:08 5 0
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Test cricket is the pinnacle for any cricketer. He has achieved that so good luck to him .
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17/02/2021 09:45:30 5 0
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Excellent player who has contributed massively to SA Cricket in the past decade.
There is big money to be earned in various tournaments around the world so you cannot blame the guy, after all he is now 36.
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17/02/2021 10:02:31 5 0
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Already has a good 'gig in the IPL. Can definitely see him in the BBL and possibly PSL too. He's played in the English T20 Blast before for both Lancashire and Kent. Opened the bowling for Lancashire if I'm not mistaken!!
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17/02/2021 08:55:14 7 2
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I take it you didn't enjoy Ben Stokes's Headingly innings then? While promotion of shorter formats of the game have inevitably had an effect on many batsmen's ability to remain at the crease, innings like Stokes' would simply not have happened without his experience in white ball. On day 5 of a test with 40 needed from two overs, would you prefer Gayle or Boycott at the crease. I love all cricket.
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17/02/2021 09:50:42 4 2
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T20 is improving Test cricket?

What nonsense.

Will England ever produce a decent opener again?

As for the Headingley innings, I will accept that T20 might have introduced the idea of flicks into the game, but as you'll remember, Stokes scored less than 10 runs in his first 100 balls.

That innings was built on gritty test cricket batting.
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17/02/2021 13:16:57 3 0
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"T20 is improving test cricket?" No. It's more complicated than that. It has introduced some amazing new skills but for many players playing multi-format, has also been detrimental to their defence in red ball- although I think this is often more psychology and application than it is batting ability. Surely we can agree that innings required both skills?
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17/02/2021 08:55:14 7 2
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I take it you didn't enjoy Ben Stokes's Headingly innings then? While promotion of shorter formats of the game have inevitably had an effect on many batsmen's ability to remain at the crease, innings like Stokes' would simply not have happened without his experience in white ball. On day 5 of a test with 40 needed from two overs, would you prefer Gayle or Boycott at the crease. I love all cricket.
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17/02/2021 09:51:35 1 1
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Also, I never mentioned one day cricket.
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17/02/2021 09:45:30 5 0
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Excellent player who has contributed massively to SA Cricket in the past decade.
There is big money to be earned in various tournaments around the world so you cannot blame the guy, after all he is now 36.
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17/02/2021 10:02:31 5 0
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Already has a good 'gig in the IPL. Can definitely see him in the BBL and possibly PSL too. He's played in the English T20 Blast before for both Lancashire and Kent. Opened the bowling for Lancashire if I'm not mistaken!!
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17/02/2021 08:40:11 4 10
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Like most South Africans he's finally jumped on the gravy train of T20 and will go to any franchise that will pay him for the next 2-3 years!
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17/02/2021 10:11:58 2 0
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Ridiculous comment.

"Most South Africans" are playing in England/Australia anyway......
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17/02/2021 08:05:23 29 0
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Very good player, who was a respectful competitor. He served his country well.

Sad that white ball cricket is increasingly becoming the dominant form of the game though.
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17/02/2021 10:15:32 5 0
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Simply put people do not have the time or the luxury for test cricket as a rule, at 36 his earning potential in the game is limited at best.
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17/02/2021 08:55:14 7 2
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I take it you didn't enjoy Ben Stokes's Headingly innings then? While promotion of shorter formats of the game have inevitably had an effect on many batsmen's ability to remain at the crease, innings like Stokes' would simply not have happened without his experience in white ball. On day 5 of a test with 40 needed from two overs, would you prefer Gayle or Boycott at the crease. I love all cricket.
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17/02/2021 10:24:58 1 2
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I’m not sure what your point is? From the BBC coverage Stokes was dropped on 34, 117 and should have been given out lbw on 131. Are you suggesting he’s the only batsmen to score a fourth innings century? That fielding’s got worse? That bats have got bigger?
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17/02/2021 13:26:35 2 2
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My point is that T20 has influenced test cricket in lots of ways. Some bad. Some good. I enjoy all formats.

I was replying to someone who was just insulting people without cause. Personally, I'm not interested in football but I don't think that enjoying it makes someone an idiot. Anyone who thinks like that is surely the simpleton themselves, no?
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17/02/2021 10:33:02 1 10
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Not convinced he's a good T20 player....NOT a big hitter, or good at getting quick runs - just my opinion.
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17/02/2021 10:52:23 6 0
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You haven’t watched him have you
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17/02/2021 10:50:29 7 3
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It seems a shame that good players are retiring early from test cricket to earn much easier money tonking white balls into the crowd accompanied by noise and flames.
Who wouldn't do it of course for some easy money before retiring, but the 'entertainment' form of the game is definitely ruining test cricket by tempting away players before their time.
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17/02/2021 13:27:18 5 0
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Is 36 'early' in your book? Would we rather wait for him to be pushed out instead? Good on him, and a wise decision for both man and country.
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17/02/2021 10:33:02 1 10
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Not convinced he's a good T20 player....NOT a big hitter, or good at getting quick runs - just my opinion.
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17/02/2021 10:52:23 6 0
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You haven’t watched him have you
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17/02/2021 11:17:02 5 1
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Great shame to cricket this. I wish him well, though, with his white-ball endeavours.

When on form, Du Plessis was a very good, gritty Test batsman. That 110* against Australia in Adelaide was one of the all-time great blockathons.
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17/02/2021 09:13:27 4 7
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The best players leave behind the thrash of ODIs and T20 and concentrate on playing Test Cricket for as long as possible.
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17/02/2021 11:19:30 0 0
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I'm sure Du Plessis will lay awake at night after reading your comment.

If he even reads it at all.
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17/02/2021 08:31:59 10 13
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Exactly.

T20 is just baseball without the roids.

Watched by simpletons with no attention span.

The kind who prefer NFL to rugby.
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17/02/2021 11:22:33 3 2
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Dreadful comment. Who are you? The gatekeeper to all cricket?

Can't stand you high-and-mighty types that think anyone who watches T20 is braindead.
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17/02/2021 11:53:51 2 1
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Hot dog and a root beer please mate
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17/02/2021 11:23:28 4 3
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I fear for South African Cricket. There's relatively lower talent, especially in Batting, coming through and really good players seem to want to leave for one reason or another. In case of Faf it's somewhat understandable as he is 36 and staring at about 1 year before getting a quality Test match given Aussies cancelled their tour.
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17/02/2021 11:31:59 4 0
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Agree - but one of their biggest problems is the need for a captain. De Kock not up to it. He's OK as a one-day player but to captain them for tests, while keeping wicket and being expected to get runs.....doesn't seem to have the personality
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17/02/2021 15:24:34 0 0
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The really good players want to leave because a central contract to play Tests is worth peanuts. Cricket SA is skint.
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17/02/2021 18:55:07 1 0
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Money and opportunity would seem decent reasons for a professional to go elsewhere. No?
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17/02/2021 11:23:28 4 3
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I fear for South African Cricket. There's relatively lower talent, especially in Batting, coming through and really good players seem to want to leave for one reason or another. In case of Faf it's somewhat understandable as he is 36 and staring at about 1 year before getting a quality Test match given Aussies cancelled their tour.
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17/02/2021 11:31:59 4 0
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Agree - but one of their biggest problems is the need for a captain. De Kock not up to it. He's OK as a one-day player but to captain them for tests, while keeping wicket and being expected to get runs.....doesn't seem to have the personality
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17/02/2021 12:23:57 2 0
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They will need to prime Dean Elgar or Markam or Rabada maybe? Dean Elgar seems to have the personality, while Markaram longevity. Rabada is unknown quantity and best to let him focus on bowling I think
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17/02/2021 08:05:23 29 0
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Very good player, who was a respectful competitor. He served his country well.

Sad that white ball cricket is increasingly becoming the dominant form of the game though.
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17/02/2021 11:45:44 3 0
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Well said - but (if I may) respectful and respected. I can understand his desire to finish his playing career topping up his wallet (and we all try to do it in some way or other - so it does not diminish the man) but it is sad that the white ball is chasing the red ball out. Bit like squirrels really :-)
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17/02/2021 17:59:49 1 0
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Hi Bob - yes, I agree - definitely respected by fans and (it appears from the outside) fellow pros.

And I like your squirrel analogy, which made me smile.
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17/02/2021 11:47:34 2 1
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A decent player whose batting has been on the decline for some time. I suspect South Africa will miss his leadership more than his runs.
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17/02/2021 11:48:41 15 2
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Faf will remain playing in the T20 format.

So, why the need for a fourth format, the hundred?

It makes absolutely no sense. It's like adding a fifth wheel to an automobile.
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17/02/2021 09:13:44 11 0
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Du Plessis was a good test batsman. Average a tad over 40. Good luck for the future Faf ??
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17/02/2021 11:49:05 1 4
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Perhaps he wanted to bow out before his average dipped below 40, which in all likelihood would have been in his next test match.
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17/02/2021 09:13:27 4 7
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The best players leave behind the thrash of ODIs and T20 and concentrate on playing Test Cricket for as long as possible.
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17/02/2021 11:50:18 0 0
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Like who? Name one of these 'best' players who has given up the short formats to concentrate solely on test cricket.
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17/02/2021 15:56:57 0 0
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James Anderson.
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17/02/2021 11:22:33 3 2
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Dreadful comment. Who are you? The gatekeeper to all cricket?

Can't stand you high-and-mighty types that think anyone who watches T20 is braindead.
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17/02/2021 11:53:51 2 1
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Hot dog and a root beer please mate
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17/02/2021 12:03:47 1 1
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He is 36 and needs to get as much money in the bank as he can over the next two years by playing T20. Test cricket will take lots of time, stop him from following certain T20 competitions around the world, and to be frank, he is struggling in tests and will simply watch his average decline for another few hundred runs. I think that he realises that he will not make 5000 runs in tests.
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Agree - but one of their biggest problems is the need for a captain. De Kock not up to it. He's OK as a one-day player but to captain them for tests, while keeping wicket and being expected to get runs.....doesn't seem to have the personality
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17/02/2021 12:23:57 2 0
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They will need to prime Dean Elgar or Markam or Rabada maybe? Dean Elgar seems to have the personality, while Markaram longevity. Rabada is unknown quantity and best to let him focus on bowling I think
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17/02/2021 14:23:24 0 0
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I agree with that - de Kock and the management has said he was only a very short term solution for captaining test matches - like you say Elgar and Markram are the obvious choices, Rabada maybe and potentially even Maharaj or Bavuma (who still only has 1 century)
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17/02/2021 12:34:16 3 3
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I remember only for ball tempering case on two occasions . Best of luck.
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17/02/2021 12:42:57 18 1
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He was put in a tough spot, he came into the team at a time when all the big stars ( Smith, Kallis, Morkel, De Villiers ) had just left/leaving, and the challenge was too big for just about anyone.

Good player, not a bad captain, put in an impossible situation.

Enjoy retirement Faf, you earned it sir.
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17/02/2021 12:52:59 1 1
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Now, who's going to captain the Saffers in Test cricket?
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17/02/2021 12:58:47 3 0
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Quinton de Kock was captain in the most recent matches, while Faf du Plessis was still playing.
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17/02/2021 18:53:16 1 1
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My money’s on Bavuma.
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17/02/2021 12:52:59 1 1
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Now, who's going to captain the Saffers in Test cricket?
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17/02/2021 12:58:47 3 0
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Quinton de Kock was captain in the most recent matches, while Faf du Plessis was still playing.
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17/02/2021 14:21:48 3 0
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de Kock doesn't want to be (and neither does the board) the long term test captain but is happy to do limited overs. It's not decided yet but it might be Elgar or Markram or someone like that - there aren't many options to be honest
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17/02/2021 13:09:30 3 5
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What happened to South Africa they used to be such a strong side displaying the sort of mental strength England need right now in India. These days all I seem to read is South Africa losing.
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17/02/2021 13:50:16 1 0
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They play ruby :)
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17/02/2021 15:49:24 1 1
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Come live here and find out
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17/02/2021 18:52:11 1 0
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I’m afraid the answer to that would be unlikely to appear on a BBC hys, or indeed in an in depth analysis of the issues.
Suffice to say the SA expat community continues to grow here and in Aus. Marnus Labuschagne is just one example.
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17/02/2021 13:10:16 7 1
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People rarely will spell this out but many SA cricketers are understandably attracted to the hard currency cricket of the 20/20 leagues . A number are also looking at other countries for long term residency via cricket
Many white South Africans are looking for options and this includes cricketers
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17/02/2021 14:20:56 3 1
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You have a point because many SA players (like Amla, Harmer, Roussow, Abbott...) have left SA to get paid higher in the county circuits with Kolpaks, but with Brexit, that's not an option, and I heard Harmer (who is an amazing bowler) might make a comeback with SA
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18/02/2021 04:05:00 1 0
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When bloody dirty quota system prevailing , who is having talent ,skill & ability wants to stay there .It is as simple as that they started looking other direction.
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17/02/2021 09:50:42 4 2
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T20 is improving Test cricket?

What nonsense.

Will England ever produce a decent opener again?

As for the Headingley innings, I will accept that T20 might have introduced the idea of flicks into the game, but as you'll remember, Stokes scored less than 10 runs in his first 100 balls.

That innings was built on gritty test cricket batting.
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17/02/2021 13:16:57 3 0
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"T20 is improving test cricket?" No. It's more complicated than that. It has introduced some amazing new skills but for many players playing multi-format, has also been detrimental to their defence in red ball- although I think this is often more psychology and application than it is batting ability. Surely we can agree that innings required both skills?
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17/02/2021 13:25:38 16 2
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Before we lambast a player for wanting to focus on white-ball over red-ball, in this instance Faf is 36 and owes no-one absolutely anything. He has earned this, whereas in other cases certainly players are either motivated by greed or simply not good enough technically to play first class cricket.
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17/02/2021 14:35:53 2 1
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Yes if he was at the other end of the scale then yes you can say Money before Cricket. Where as Players now want the White Ball life and not the Red ball - well lest say it's a mixture to be fair.

As I posted earlier be good for him to Mentor and put back into the Coaching side as well. Just depend on how he appears to want that too.
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17/02/2021 14:50:14 1 1
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Now let's not be hasty here - FDP is several thousand miles away with little prospect of ever finding me. I'm also fairly confident he doesn't care about my opinion of him. Therefore I feel relatively confident about lambasting him and feeling fairly safe about it afterwards.
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17/02/2021 10:24:58 1 2
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I’m not sure what your point is? From the BBC coverage Stokes was dropped on 34, 117 and should have been given out lbw on 131. Are you suggesting he’s the only batsmen to score a fourth innings century? That fielding’s got worse? That bats have got bigger?
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17/02/2021 13:26:35 2 2
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My point is that T20 has influenced test cricket in lots of ways. Some bad. Some good. I enjoy all formats.

I was replying to someone who was just insulting people without cause. Personally, I'm not interested in football but I don't think that enjoying it makes someone an idiot. Anyone who thinks like that is surely the simpleton themselves, no?
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17/02/2021 10:50:29 7 3
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It seems a shame that good players are retiring early from test cricket to earn much easier money tonking white balls into the crowd accompanied by noise and flames.
Who wouldn't do it of course for some easy money before retiring, but the 'entertainment' form of the game is definitely ruining test cricket by tempting away players before their time.
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17/02/2021 13:27:18 5 0
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Is 36 'early' in your book? Would we rather wait for him to be pushed out instead? Good on him, and a wise decision for both man and country.
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17/02/2021 13:09:30 3 5
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What happened to South Africa they used to be such a strong side displaying the sort of mental strength England need right now in India. These days all I seem to read is South Africa losing.
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17/02/2021 13:50:16 1 0
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They play ruby :)
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17/02/2021 15:49:53 1 0
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*Rugby
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17/02/2021 13:54:53 2 1
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There's not much test cricket in the offing for SA for him to retire from.
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17/02/2021 15:47:47 0 1
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LOLLL as an 'ex's Protea fan
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17/02/2021 13:10:16 7 1
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People rarely will spell this out but many SA cricketers are understandably attracted to the hard currency cricket of the 20/20 leagues . A number are also looking at other countries for long term residency via cricket
Many white South Africans are looking for options and this includes cricketers
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17/02/2021 14:20:56 3 1
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You have a point because many SA players (like Amla, Harmer, Roussow, Abbott...) have left SA to get paid higher in the county circuits with Kolpaks, but with Brexit, that's not an option, and I heard Harmer (who is an amazing bowler) might make a comeback with SA
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17/02/2021 12:58:47 3 0
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Quinton de Kock was captain in the most recent matches, while Faf du Plessis was still playing.
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17/02/2021 14:21:48 3 0
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de Kock doesn't want to be (and neither does the board) the long term test captain but is happy to do limited overs. It's not decided yet but it might be Elgar or Markram or someone like that - there aren't many options to be honest
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17/02/2021 18:18:41 0 0
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Yeah Hello - with Quinton not wanting it, I thought they might give it back to Faf (for the short term).
But now with Faf retiring, they will definitely have to find someone new.
My money is on Markram, although I hear that Bavuma might also be a contender.
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17/02/2021 12:23:57 2 0
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They will need to prime Dean Elgar or Markam or Rabada maybe? Dean Elgar seems to have the personality, while Markaram longevity. Rabada is unknown quantity and best to let him focus on bowling I think
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17/02/2021 14:23:24 0 0
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I agree with that - de Kock and the management has said he was only a very short term solution for captaining test matches - like you say Elgar and Markram are the obvious choices, Rabada maybe and potentially even Maharaj or Bavuma (who still only has 1 century)
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17/02/2021 13:25:38 16 2
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Before we lambast a player for wanting to focus on white-ball over red-ball, in this instance Faf is 36 and owes no-one absolutely anything. He has earned this, whereas in other cases certainly players are either motivated by greed or simply not good enough technically to play first class cricket.
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17/02/2021 14:35:53 2 1
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Yes if he was at the other end of the scale then yes you can say Money before Cricket. Where as Players now want the White Ball life and not the Red ball - well lest say it's a mixture to be fair.

As I posted earlier be good for him to Mentor and put back into the Coaching side as well. Just depend on how he appears to want that too.
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17/02/2021 09:13:44 11 0
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Du Plessis was a good test batsman. Average a tad over 40. Good luck for the future Faf ??
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17/02/2021 14:42:27 0 4
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WHY DIDN'T ADD HE IS BALL TEMPERING EXPERT CAUGHT NOT LESS THAN TWICE
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17/02/2021 13:25:38 16 2
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Before we lambast a player for wanting to focus on white-ball over red-ball, in this instance Faf is 36 and owes no-one absolutely anything. He has earned this, whereas in other cases certainly players are either motivated by greed or simply not good enough technically to play first class cricket.
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17/02/2021 14:50:14 1 1
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Now let's not be hasty here - FDP is several thousand miles away with little prospect of ever finding me. I'm also fairly confident he doesn't care about my opinion of him. Therefore I feel relatively confident about lambasting him and feeling fairly safe about it afterwards.
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17/02/2021 18:23:34 3 0
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Don't be too sure, Marco.
I bumped into Faf at the airport & he said he had already checked out Marco 1-70 ........... (only five more to go).
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17/02/2021 15:20:04 6 0
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did his job in tests pretty well in a tough period for SA cricket. He is a boost to their t20 squads and can look to play elsewhere. Credit to a good career.
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17/02/2021 11:23:28 4 3
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I fear for South African Cricket. There's relatively lower talent, especially in Batting, coming through and really good players seem to want to leave for one reason or another. In case of Faf it's somewhat understandable as he is 36 and staring at about 1 year before getting a quality Test match given Aussies cancelled their tour.
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17/02/2021 15:24:34 0 0
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The really good players want to leave because a central contract to play Tests is worth peanuts. Cricket SA is skint.
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17/02/2021 17:38:42 0 0
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What are the comparative central contract amounts for various boards per year? Would be good to know. By the way, I think playing for national team is nearly a pre-requisite to get recognition and thus hefty fee in all these tournaments?
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17/02/2021 13:54:53 2 1
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There's not much test cricket in the offing for SA for him to retire from.
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17/02/2021 15:47:47 0 1
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LOLLL as an 'ex's Protea fan
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17/02/2021 13:09:30 3 5
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What happened to South Africa they used to be such a strong side displaying the sort of mental strength England need right now in India. These days all I seem to read is South Africa losing.
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17/02/2021 15:49:24 1 1
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Come live here and find out
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17/02/2021 16:03:25 2 1
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I'm assuming that you are referring to diabolical administration, corruption and nepotism?
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17/02/2021 13:50:16 1 0
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They play ruby :)
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17/02/2021 15:49:53 1 0
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*Rugby
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17/02/2021 11:50:18 0 0
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Like who? Name one of these 'best' players who has given up the short formats to concentrate solely on test cricket.
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17/02/2021 15:56:57 0 0
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James Anderson.
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17/02/2021 19:09:25 1 0
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Do your research. He was left out years ago, he didn’t choose to stop.
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17/02/2021 08:31:59 10 13
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Exactly.

T20 is just baseball without the roids.

Watched by simpletons with no attention span.

The kind who prefer NFL to rugby.
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17/02/2021 16:02:14 2 0
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I watch both NFL and rugby - appreciate the skills in both sports - which in case you don't know are totally different in many aspects. Perhaps if you knew more about them then you would understand that.
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17/02/2021 15:49:24 1 1
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Come live here and find out
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17/02/2021 16:03:25 2 1
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I'm assuming that you are referring to diabolical administration, corruption and nepotism?
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17/02/2021 16:03:26 4 5
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"As for the Mo issue been handled badly by the ECB and the BBC but guess we are used to Mo being treated badly at times." - how has the BBC had any influence on how Mo has been treated? - what a load of hogwash.
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17/02/2021 20:36:46 5 1
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Opened up an HYS to let people slag him off when they found out he was leaving.
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18/02/2021 14:53:45 2 1
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Mo's had the last laugh today.......
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17/02/2021 17:05:21 14 1
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I have the greatest of respect for Faf du Plessis. He competes hard but fairly n all formats of the game and has a very decent Test record. When SA were having a hard time in the World Cup in England, he fronted up to the cameras and made no excuses. I wish him every success in his wish to concentrate on the T20 format. Great bloke and a credit to the game.
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17/02/2021 15:24:34 0 0
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The really good players want to leave because a central contract to play Tests is worth peanuts. Cricket SA is skint.
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17/02/2021 17:38:42 0 0
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What are the comparative central contract amounts for various boards per year? Would be good to know. By the way, I think playing for national team is nearly a pre-requisite to get recognition and thus hefty fee in all these tournaments?
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17/02/2021 11:45:44 3 0
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Well said - but (if I may) respectful and respected. I can understand his desire to finish his playing career topping up his wallet (and we all try to do it in some way or other - so it does not diminish the man) but it is sad that the white ball is chasing the red ball out. Bit like squirrels really :-)
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17/02/2021 17:59:49 1 0
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Hi Bob - yes, I agree - definitely respected by fans and (it appears from the outside) fellow pros.

And I like your squirrel analogy, which made me smile.
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17/02/2021 14:21:48 3 0
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de Kock doesn't want to be (and neither does the board) the long term test captain but is happy to do limited overs. It's not decided yet but it might be Elgar or Markram or someone like that - there aren't many options to be honest
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17/02/2021 18:18:41 0 0
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Yeah Hello - with Quinton not wanting it, I thought they might give it back to Faf (for the short term).
But now with Faf retiring, they will definitely have to find someone new.
My money is on Markram, although I hear that Bavuma might also be a contender.
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17/02/2021 21:16:11 2 0
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Thanks, that makes sense of your original question.
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17/02/2021 18:20:26 3 0
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As he was a good servant to CSA and South African cricket in general (his franchise /Province) i wonder what they will do for him ? Coaching roll? or a administration post ? Something to keep him in the game
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17/02/2021 14:50:14 1 1
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Now let's not be hasty here - FDP is several thousand miles away with little prospect of ever finding me. I'm also fairly confident he doesn't care about my opinion of him. Therefore I feel relatively confident about lambasting him and feeling fairly safe about it afterwards.
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17/02/2021 18:23:34 3 0
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Don't be too sure, Marco.
I bumped into Faf at the airport & he said he had already checked out Marco 1-70 ........... (only five more to go).
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17/02/2021 18:46:49 1 0
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??
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17/02/2021 18:23:34 3 0
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Don't be too sure, Marco.
I bumped into Faf at the airport & he said he had already checked out Marco 1-70 ........... (only five more to go).
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17/02/2021 18:46:49 1 0
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??
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17/02/2021 18:49:27 9 0
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Decent bloke, which actually says a lot, as so many aren’t.
Led his country with dignity and plenty of class. Good batsman too, who always fought hard.
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17/02/2021 13:09:30 3 5
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What happened to South Africa they used to be such a strong side displaying the sort of mental strength England need right now in India. These days all I seem to read is South Africa losing.
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17/02/2021 18:52:11 1 0
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I’m afraid the answer to that would be unlikely to appear on a BBC hys, or indeed in an in depth analysis of the issues.
Suffice to say the SA expat community continues to grow here and in Aus. Marnus Labuschagne is just one example.
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17/02/2021 12:52:59 1 1
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Now, who's going to captain the Saffers in Test cricket?
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17/02/2021 18:53:16 1 1
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My money’s on Bavuma.
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17/02/2021 11:23:28 4 3
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I fear for South African Cricket. There's relatively lower talent, especially in Batting, coming through and really good players seem to want to leave for one reason or another. In case of Faf it's somewhat understandable as he is 36 and staring at about 1 year before getting a quality Test match given Aussies cancelled their tour.
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17/02/2021 18:55:07 1 0
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Money and opportunity would seem decent reasons for a professional to go elsewhere. No?
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17/02/2021 09:13:27 4 7
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The best players leave behind the thrash of ODIs and T20 and concentrate on playing Test Cricket for as long as possible.
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17/02/2021 18:56:18 0 0
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Really? Who?
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17/02/2021 08:31:59 10 13
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Exactly.

T20 is just baseball without the roids.

Watched by simpletons with no attention span.

The kind who prefer NFL to rugby.
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17/02/2021 18:58:57 1 1
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That’s some of the most ignorant comparisons I’ve ever seen.
T20 has 0 complexity.
The others have significant tactical nuances. Maybe, as you so succinctly put it, only simpletons fail to understand this.
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17/02/2021 21:08:57 1 0
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T20 started out that way but it's way more tactical now. I heard Andy Zaltzman speaking last year about how much further the stats analysis goes in T20 compared to the other formats, which leads to complex match-ups between batters and bowling variations. Some of the bowlers have 4 different slower balls to select from. However it's also led to a lot of players getting out to village leg spin ??
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17/02/2021 08:05:23 29 0
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Very good player, who was a respectful competitor. He served his country well.

Sad that white ball cricket is increasingly becoming the dominant form of the game though.
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17/02/2021 19:04:21 2 1
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I suspect you are spot on. However, almost all my cricket following friends only watch competitive white ball cricket (World Cup etc). None of us would consider buying tickets for a white ball best of 3 series. We do however, buy tickets for Tests.
Perhaps younger fans like the formulaic nature of white ball. Personally I’d rather cut the grass with scissors for the 30 overs in the middle.
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17/02/2021 15:56:57 0 0
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James Anderson.
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17/02/2021 19:09:25 1 0
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Do your research. He was left out years ago, he didn’t choose to stop.
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17/02/2021 08:40:11 4 10
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Like most South Africans he's finally jumped on the gravy train of T20 and will go to any franchise that will pay him for the next 2-3 years!
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17/02/2021 19:10:49 0 0
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Another well researched piece of nonsense.
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17/02/2021 20:00:40 8 4
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Why work for a living when you can just spend life in your mid 30s playing slap and tickle silly cricket ?
Couple of hours work, minimum effort and go and grab a beer. Lovely.
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17/02/2021 20:21:44 5 0
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Exactly. And no problem getting a decent curry.
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18/02/2021 17:50:59 2 1
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If it were that easy w,ed all be doing it.
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17/02/2021 20:21:05 3 0
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My earlier comment about T20, was only trying to press a few buttons. No harm meant.

I'm actually (god willing) going to my first T20 this summer Vs Pakistan at Trent Bridge.

Only because the test schedule isn't to my liking. Starting a test Vs India on a Wednesday?

Some of us have to work you know, don't want to gamble on on whether we will get a full Saturdays play on day 4.
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17/02/2021 20:27:24 1 1
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Lucky you in working ... Getting tickets too enjoy.

Yes Test Days can be a gamble either depending on the first two days plus the weather as well.
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18/02/2021 11:53:33 1 0
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fatboy; hope you enjoy the day. I enjoyed my first T20 immensely, but I won't go to another. It is an entertaining spectacle, but it lacks any tension or sporting drama because their are so many fixtures. They play each other so often, that in most cases the result simply doesn't matter.
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17/02/2021 20:00:40 8 4
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Why work for a living when you can just spend life in your mid 30s playing slap and tickle silly cricket ?
Couple of hours work, minimum effort and go and grab a beer. Lovely.
89
17/02/2021 20:21:44 5 0
bbc
Exactly. And no problem getting a decent curry.
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17/02/2021 21:36:16 1 0
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ROFL
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17/02/2021 20:21:05 3 0
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My earlier comment about T20, was only trying to press a few buttons. No harm meant.

I'm actually (god willing) going to my first T20 this summer Vs Pakistan at Trent Bridge.

Only because the test schedule isn't to my liking. Starting a test Vs India on a Wednesday?

Some of us have to work you know, don't want to gamble on on whether we will get a full Saturdays play on day 4.
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17/02/2021 20:27:24 1 1
bbc
Lucky you in working ... Getting tickets too enjoy.

Yes Test Days can be a gamble either depending on the first two days plus the weather as well.
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17/02/2021 16:03:26 4 5
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"As for the Mo issue been handled badly by the ECB and the BBC but guess we are used to Mo being treated badly at times." - how has the BBC had any influence on how Mo has been treated? - what a load of hogwash.
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17/02/2021 20:36:46 5 1
bbc
Opened up an HYS to let people slag him off when they found out he was leaving.
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17/02/2021 18:58:57 1 1
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That’s some of the most ignorant comparisons I’ve ever seen.
T20 has 0 complexity.
The others have significant tactical nuances. Maybe, as you so succinctly put it, only simpletons fail to understand this.
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17/02/2021 21:08:57 1 0
bbc
T20 started out that way but it's way more tactical now. I heard Andy Zaltzman speaking last year about how much further the stats analysis goes in T20 compared to the other formats, which leads to complex match-ups between batters and bowling variations. Some of the bowlers have 4 different slower balls to select from. However it's also led to a lot of players getting out to village leg spin ??
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17/02/2021 18:18:41 0 0
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Yeah Hello - with Quinton not wanting it, I thought they might give it back to Faf (for the short term).
But now with Faf retiring, they will definitely have to find someone new.
My money is on Markram, although I hear that Bavuma might also be a contender.
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17/02/2021 21:16:11 2 0
bbc
Thanks, that makes sense of your original question.
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17/02/2021 20:21:44 5 0
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Exactly. And no problem getting a decent curry.
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17/02/2021 21:36:16 1 0
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ROFL
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17/02/2021 22:11:10 1 0
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Already? Only seems like he's been around 5 minutes. Best of luck to him - exciting player!!!
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17/02/2021 23:00:24 1 5
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First de villiers and now this guy. Disgraceful, cowards and mercenary’s , the pair of them
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17/02/2021 08:55:14 7 2
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I take it you didn't enjoy Ben Stokes's Headingly innings then? While promotion of shorter formats of the game have inevitably had an effect on many batsmen's ability to remain at the crease, innings like Stokes' would simply not have happened without his experience in white ball. On day 5 of a test with 40 needed from two overs, would you prefer Gayle or Boycott at the crease. I love all cricket.
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17/02/2021 23:33:05 0 0
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Boycott ?? he’d bat out for the draw. For every big Gayle innings there’s one where he slices it and is caught in single figures.
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17/02/2021 08:23:44 5 6
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Well go or get dropped. He is past tense. Not a great test player but a solid mostly reliable contributor until now. I'm not sure his T20 value is high. We will see.
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18/02/2021 02:06:45 1 0
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Not a great test player but averages higher than Sir Ben Stokes.
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18/02/2021 03:50:44 2 4
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People missing the point. He is doing a ‘Graeme Swann’, retiring immediately to protest his Test Average. His batting average is 40.02. With his age he has max two years left at Test level why risk average dropping. And yes money from 20/20 factor too. FYI Swann’s bowling average is 29.96. He famously retired mid Ashes to protect it.
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18/02/2021 09:23:43 5 2
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Nonsense.
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17/02/2021 13:10:16 7 1
bbc
People rarely will spell this out but many SA cricketers are understandably attracted to the hard currency cricket of the 20/20 leagues . A number are also looking at other countries for long term residency via cricket
Many white South Africans are looking for options and this includes cricketers
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18/02/2021 04:05:00 1 0
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When bloody dirty quota system prevailing , who is having talent ,skill & ability wants to stay there .It is as simple as that they started looking other direction.