Ford to go all-electric in Europe by 2030
17/02/2021 | news | business | 434
By the middle of 2026, all its cars will be available as electric or hybrid models, it said.
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17/02/2021 11:53:40 36 12
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Unless the price of an electric car comes way down only the rich will be able to afford them.
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17/02/2021 13:17:14 17 2
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They don’t want you to buy or own one, they want you the lease everything and have no assets
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17/02/2021 13:08:11 7 1
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They will, economies of scale.
The price has already come way down in the last 10 years

What makes you think the decline wont continue for the next 10?

Just look at solar

And remember we have already invented car batteries that can charge in under 5 mins

I get the feeling yours is a nothing comment written

No clue, no facts, no idea.......
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17/02/2021 13:20:37 2 0
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as they are moved into mass production it should, although I am not holding my breath.
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17/02/2021 13:10:49 1 4
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I think that's the idea... everyone else will be kept in perpetual lockdown and given Government credits to spend on food, gambling and entertainment - all to be consumed in the confines of their own home.

Only the rich will be required (or allowed) to travel outside their allocated Province.

All part of the plan.
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mc
17/02/2021 14:59:04 0 2
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that's the plan i truly believe the richhate us plebs using their roads
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MVP
17/02/2021 11:54:06 56 7
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No surprise that Ford will have electric cars by 2030.

It will be illegal for them to sell petrol / diesel cars by then
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17/02/2021 13:12:49 10 3
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Hybrids are allowed aren't they? They are basically petrol-engined cars with a small (token?) battery with a limited battery range of around 30 miles or so.

Therefore, unless it's illegal to sell petrol/diesel itself (and I don't think it is, is it?), manufacturers can still sell vehicles with petrol/diesel engines after 2030.
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17/02/2021 13:17:38 4 5
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More electric cars sold in Norway than petrol and diesel combined in Norway last year. Norway due to go electric by 2025.

Dispels the myth that electric cars don't perform adequately in cold weather.

Saving the planet is a matter of political will and good government - something the Evil Tories will never provide.
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17/02/2021 13:21:33 2 5
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hope thats not true
we will be forced to buy expensive electric, because the price will not come down
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17/02/2021 13:26:14 3 8
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So, we will all have to buy the newest real car we can before then and keep it until it falls apart. I'm certainly not going to be buying the abomination that is an electric 'car' and I don't care how good its performance is; it's not a car.
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17/02/2021 15:14:14 0 2
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not for the rich or corrupt government officals it wont...
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17/02/2021 15:47:50 0 0
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Tesla makes the best EV
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17/02/2021 19:22:27 0 0
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Only in the UK. France is aiming for 2040, per the article.
Interesting that the Ford decision only applies to Europe. Presumably that means they expect there will be a demand for petrol powered cars in the rest of the world well into the 2030s. As Jaguar have announced they'll only be selling electric cars from 2025, presumably they've decided to abandon this market. Not good for UK exports
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17/02/2021 11:54:09 47 13
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Expect the cost of electricity to rocket then by 2030 and all those lovely SMART meters installed to hammer you peak time for pricing.
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17/02/2021 12:27:30 28 10
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People should take ownership of your electricity by installing solar, a battery to store excess, and switch to Economy 7. These are expensive yes, but with a vast array of possibilities to have more than 1 source of income I'm sure people can find ways to pay for it.

New housing should also be more energy efficient and have solar by default, with local battery storage.
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17/02/2021 13:05:30 2 1
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Expect the cost on petrol/diesel to plummet as well eventually, as you won't be buying any.
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17/02/2021 15:19:01 2 1
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Which is a key reason why I won't have a smart meter.

And since I switched from NPower to Avro Energy; I'm pleasantly surprised that I haven't been asked, even once, to have a smart meter. NPower wouldn't take "no thanks" as an answer.

But things could get ugly if the government eventually tries to make smart meters compulsory.
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17/02/2021 15:48:21 1 2
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say no to smart meters ...your bills go higher
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17/02/2021 12:00:03 12 2
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time to lay in a big stock of Fiestas .The car fleet will be full of stored i.c, for many years..use is not being phased out.Nor can it be .
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17/02/2021 13:15:54 4 1
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Good idea. Watch new car sales (and probably prices) soar in 2029 :)
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17/02/2021 13:35:05 1 1
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Stupid idea. There will be massive tax hikes to stop that sort of loophole.
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17/02/2021 12:00:47 13 3
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Ford don't manufacture in the UK anymore.
I won't be buying an Ford.
By 2030 all cars will have to be made out of paper!!
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17/02/2021 12:31:08 6 2
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Ever been past Dagenham engine plant?
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17/02/2021 13:09:13 2 0
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buy Jaguar Toyota or Honda
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17/02/2021 13:28:37 2 0
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All of their research and development is done at Dunton. Always has been for new technology. It’s just as important as actual manufacture.
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17/02/2021 14:01:18 0 0
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East Germany had that market years ago with the Trabant. body shell very difficult to recycle.
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17/02/2021 16:54:27 0 0
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They haven't made a car in the UK for more than two decades.
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17/02/2021 12:02:43 0 20
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"Ford said it would spend $1bn (£720m) updating its factory in Cologne"

Wonder why not in the UK ??
Is this the start of a wind down in UK investment ??
Is this "project fear" growing ever mor fearsome ??

Any Brexiteres care to comment
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17/02/2021 12:10:43 18 0
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Ford has not made cars here for years, well before Brexit.
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17/02/2021 12:28:01 4 0
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Ironically being in the EU made it a breeze to shift production to mainland Europe.
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17/02/2021 12:30:27 0 0
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German workers have more protection, plus they already produce there
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17/02/2021 13:17:43 0 0
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Simply because Ford no longer takes cars in the uk. It only makes Diesel engines - 85% of which are exported
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17/02/2021 23:29:40 0 0
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Ford had 22 factories in the UK when we joined the EEC...and had 2 when we left.....project fear!!!! Being in the EU decimated UK manufacturing as companies could easily switch to cheaper countries like Romania, Spain and Turkey.
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17/02/2021 12:04:31 19 4
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Well, we can expect the government to put in some hefty usage charges to replace the billions of fuel duty they will lose. What about charging points? I live in a flat with on street parking, where will I charge up? It's all well and good them saying they will have mass charging infrastructure in place, but I'm not totally convinced...better get building some more power stations too then!
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17/02/2021 13:19:25 13 1
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Imagine living in a block of flats? Many of those people living in towerblocks are at the lower end of the spectrum in terms of income, so looks like another two-tiered system on the way for the haves and have nots.
We have already invented electric car batteries that charge in under 5 mins

Ita comparable to filling up at a station

And why will we need new power stations when we are at the beginning of a green power revolution?

Maybe you would be more convinced if you bothered to educate yourself?
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17/02/2021 13:25:52 1 0
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I wonder if street lights can be adapted to provide some charging points, but even then I doubt that would be enough. Good time to train to be an electrician I think
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17/02/2021 13:41:05 4 1
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60% of homes have a drive way and so you charge the car overnight. On long trips you have to stop for 30 minutes anyway which is enough for an electric car to charge.
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17/02/2021 15:52:28 0 1
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you will charge at a charge point
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17/02/2021 16:52:07 0 0
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They could, should, tax aircraft fuel.
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17/02/2021 11:54:35 6 6
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Biden first week in office he stoped a vital oil pipeline being built and stoped fracking.

Oil prices around the world have risen since and prices at the pumps.

This is result of his green policys in action lithium prices are rising for batterys as well for electric cars.

They are currently using chemicals made from oil to try de ice wind turbines in texas America were there minus 18.

Great
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17/02/2021 12:14:45 5 3
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Yup. Great reset involves creating asset price inflation. Food prices are rising did you notice? Funny how the champions of this reset are buying as much farm land as they can! Control food prices
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17/02/2021 13:15:58 0 1
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You have to feel sorry for people in the US. Trump was unhinged & dangerous, Biden a raving socialist. Its bad for them. Personally, despite everything he stood for & is, I'd have Trump over a socialist every day of the week. Cannot think of anything worse.
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17/02/2021 12:07:19 16 6
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Ford like General Motors didn’t stop making cars in the uk because of Brexit Luton and Dagenham stopped production a long time ago because simple a weak labour laws weak unions easier to close factory’s in the uk than Europe especially France Germany
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17/02/2021 12:19:41 6 7
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Erm......eh?
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17/02/2021 13:02:41 2 0
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Dagenham was turned into an engine production plant - the dragon engine if I'm not mistaken and that's DIESEL - oops
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17/02/2021 13:03:53 1 0
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correction it's their 3cylinder petrol
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17/02/2021 13:09:17 2 0
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Third correction - the dragon is (was) made at Bridgend in Wales, the Dagenham plant produces the DIESEL and 85% of production is exported
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17/02/2021 13:11:20 1 0
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Part of the original ford plant at dagenham contained a battery production plant run under licence from VARTA. I think that closed in the mid 80's
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17/02/2021 13:26:48 0 0
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Vauxhall still make vans in Luton. Also Vauxhall still make cars in Ellesmere Port. Vauxhall is now owned Stellantis not GM!
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17/02/2021 13:30:48 1 0
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Spot on there fella there masters at spotting the weak spot in manufacturing cessation & shaft there workforce ask the Brazilians .... Irish...Belgians...Spanish...oh & the English... but don’t mention the war if you know what I mean.
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Bob
17/02/2021 13:40:22 2 0
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Ford Europe closed places all over the continent. They've made losses in a lot of years, too.
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17/02/2021 14:56:13 0 0
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What has this got to do with the price of cheese?
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17/02/2021 15:53:47 0 0
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Jaguar Honda Toyota make electric cars in UK
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17/02/2021 12:07:50 17 11
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Unless and until the infrastructure is in place across the country to recharge electric vehicles, and they can be charged in less than 10 minutes, then they will remain a niche ownership. A neighbour has had an all electric vehicle ( a top of the range luxury make) for over a year and is very disappointed in it, because it has to be plugged in and fully charged up, which takes 7 hours.
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17/02/2021 12:32:45 22 6
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Did they not appreciate it had to 'be plugged in' before they bought it? Also, given most of us tend to sleep at night, how is a 7 hour recharge an issue?
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17/02/2021 13:07:36 5 4
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I've been driving an electric hatchback for 6 years.

Never had trouble finding a charge point.

The new chargers give me a full top up in 30min.

Never going back to petrol.
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17/02/2021 13:08:41 3 1
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won't be niche..they are going to stop selling combustion engines
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17/02/2021 21:15:03 0 0
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Their mistake was buying a luxury brand - maybe it’s an ipace which are renowned for being inefficient and charging slowly. Should have looked beyond the brand and got a Hyundai/Kia.
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"Ford said it would spend $1bn (£720m) updating its factory in Cologne"

Wonder why not in the UK ??
Is this the start of a wind down in UK investment ??
Is this "project fear" growing ever mor fearsome ??

Any Brexiteres care to comment
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17/02/2021 12:10:43 18 0
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Ford has not made cars here for years, well before Brexit.
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17/02/2021 12:11:41 9 5
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With the current price of BEV's and their limited range compared to an equivalent ICE car these are a prestige purchase, as First, is it manufactured from a RE source? Second, can you guarantee energy to charge it is from a RE source if not is really a green purchase? ??
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17/02/2021 12:12:03 7 9
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Ah yes 2030. The completion year of the ‘great reset’. When most remainer plebs own nothing and are happier for it
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Funny how those with the lowest levels of education seen to be the only ones who can truely see whats happening, eh iglooddriver???
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17/02/2021 12:13:07 9 1
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Wouldn't one get more distance from an electric charge by making a smaller, less heavy vehicle?
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17/02/2021 12:59:19 6 2
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Size is a function of what people want to use them for. Batteries are the main element for weight. Make them smaller = less range (until new tech available).
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17/02/2021 13:31:03 1 0
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A lot of the size and weight of a modern car is down to passenger protection - things like side impact bars, air bags, crumple zones all add weight and size.
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17/02/2021 11:54:35 6 6
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Biden first week in office he stoped a vital oil pipeline being built and stoped fracking.

Oil prices around the world have risen since and prices at the pumps.

This is result of his green policys in action lithium prices are rising for batterys as well for electric cars.

They are currently using chemicals made from oil to try de ice wind turbines in texas America were there minus 18.

Great
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17/02/2021 12:14:45 5 3
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Yup. Great reset involves creating asset price inflation. Food prices are rising did you notice? Funny how the champions of this reset are buying as much farm land as they can! Control food prices
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17/02/2021 12:19:40 6 1
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Careful you don't stand too close to the edge of the world. You might fall off.
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17/02/2021 12:15:05 2 3
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Be thankful that the UK has large deposits of Lithium under our northern hills. We can make all the batteries here in the the UK thanks to our former mining activities.
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17/02/2021 13:12:46 1 1
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Mining is bad. The eco warriors don't like that either! You are only sustainable if you walk around bare foot. Batteries are a devastatingly bad cause of world pollution and surface destruction due to extensive mining, but reduce local air pollution. Badness in a different place.
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17/02/2021 12:17:01 75 12
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The clock is ticking but I'm yet to see or hear of any plan to resolve the charging infrastructure conundrum that nobody seems to be keen to tackle.

If you live in any property where there is insufficient or no allocated parking you are goosed until a solution is found and rolled out en-masse.

This policy of only allowing new builds allocation for 1 car per household is looking massively flawed.
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17/02/2021 13:13:17 27 15
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Hydrogen.
That’s your answer.
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17/02/2021 13:07:50 13 7
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To be fair you can’t refill a diesel on your drive either.
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17/02/2021 14:42:36 2 2
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But sadly there is nothing in this article to suggest that Ford will be making hydrogen-powered cars as an alternative.
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17/02/2021 15:47:22 1 0
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batteries pollute the environment when it comes to disposing them so does mining for lithium
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17/02/2021 17:45:16 0 0
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I have the answer, put a generator in the boot of you EV, oh I think I will call my idea a "Hybrid", do you think it would catch on?
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17/02/2021 20:10:48 1 0
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How about lamp posts?

They are everywhere.

These are already being trialled and won't be long before they will be used to charge vehicles.
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Guy Fawkers
This whole EV process will be a disaster for the UK & the EU. It is not the electric vehicle per se that is the problem they are the future where personal transport is concerned. The choice of the outdated battery technology being proposed as a power source will be a disaster. Battery power is highly polluting and inconvenient adopting Hydrogen Cell technology is the only way forward.
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17/02/2021 12:14:45 5 3
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Yup. Great reset involves creating asset price inflation. Food prices are rising did you notice? Funny how the champions of this reset are buying as much farm land as they can! Control food prices
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17/02/2021 12:19:40 6 1
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Careful you don't stand too close to the edge of the world. You might fall off.
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17/02/2021 12:07:19 16 6
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Ford like General Motors didn’t stop making cars in the uk because of Brexit Luton and Dagenham stopped production a long time ago because simple a weak labour laws weak unions easier to close factory’s in the uk than Europe especially France Germany
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17/02/2021 12:19:41 6 7
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Erm......eh?
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17/02/2021 13:08:25 1 0
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Yes quite! Punctuation is a wonderful thing.
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17/02/2021 12:25:49 2 2
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This announcement feels 3-5 years behind the curve!
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17/02/2021 11:54:09 47 13
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Expect the cost of electricity to rocket then by 2030 and all those lovely SMART meters installed to hammer you peak time for pricing.
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17/02/2021 12:27:30 28 10
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People should take ownership of your electricity by installing solar, a battery to store excess, and switch to Economy 7. These are expensive yes, but with a vast array of possibilities to have more than 1 source of income I'm sure people can find ways to pay for it.

New housing should also be more energy efficient and have solar by default, with local battery storage.
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17/02/2021 12:33:04 6 6
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Not much use in winter, the only solution is nuclear otherwise enjoy fuel poverty.
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17/02/2021 13:11:36 7 2
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Thats fine and dandy for those living in houses but what about those living in flats etc? They cant do much to install solar, where are they meant to charge their cars? There's no infrastructure.
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17/02/2021 13:30:18 5 1
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What sort of world do you live in? "a vast array of possibilities to have more than 1 source of income I'm sure people can find ways to pay for it" - what does that mean? Turning to crime? We're in the middle of the biggest economic shock EVER and yet you have the answer to solving it. Please share.
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17/02/2021 14:22:10 4 1
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When so many people are struggling to feed themselves, keep a roof over their heads etc I'm afraid you are living in a fantasy world if you think everyone can afford such installations - even if it were possible, and I would assume that on at least some buildings it won't be.
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"Ford said it would spend $1bn (£720m) updating its factory in Cologne"

Wonder why not in the UK ??
Is this the start of a wind down in UK investment ??
Is this "project fear" growing ever mor fearsome ??

Any Brexiteres care to comment
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17/02/2021 12:28:01 4 0
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Ironically being in the EU made it a breeze to shift production to mainland Europe.
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17/02/2021 12:28:45 1 6
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EU sign off a $1.6bn deal with Tesla and their Gigafactory for Birlin and now this.

It looks the UK is well set to be a market leader in this international business.

Nice one Blow Jo
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"Ford said it would spend $1bn (£720m) updating its factory in Cologne"

Wonder why not in the UK ??
Is this the start of a wind down in UK investment ??
Is this "project fear" growing ever mor fearsome ??

Any Brexiteres care to comment
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17/02/2021 12:30:27 0 0
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German workers have more protection, plus they already produce there
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17/02/2021 12:30:57 3 4
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Is this a chicken, chicken and an egg situation the egg being RE, as surely this is about one thing cutting down on CO2 so if the source of energy is not guaranteed to be 100% RE what's the point in a BEV as it doesn't how many charging points there are? It's not a green BEV it's just a prestige purchase.??
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17/02/2021 12:00:47 13 3
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Ford don't manufacture in the UK anymore.
I won't be buying an Ford.
By 2030 all cars will have to be made out of paper!!
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17/02/2021 12:31:08 6 2
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Ever been past Dagenham engine plant?
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Unless and until the infrastructure is in place across the country to recharge electric vehicles, and they can be charged in less than 10 minutes, then they will remain a niche ownership. A neighbour has had an all electric vehicle ( a top of the range luxury make) for over a year and is very disappointed in it, because it has to be plugged in and fully charged up, which takes 7 hours.
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17/02/2021 12:32:45 22 6
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Did they not appreciate it had to 'be plugged in' before they bought it? Also, given most of us tend to sleep at night, how is a 7 hour recharge an issue?
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17/02/2021 12:53:19 6 5
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Well, it proved to be an issue when his wife was rushed to hospital during the evening, and he couldn't immediately follow because the car wasn't charged. He had to wait for his son to arrive and take him - (no buses and the hospital is over 20 miles away). In normal circs the time wouldn't have been an issue, but in this case it was. He's changing the car and getting a self charging hybrid.
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17/02/2021 12:57:11 6 5
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Er, if you want to drive 100-150 miles somewhere and then come back the same day for example? If you have something that only does 20-40 miles on a charge you are stumped much of the time. If you have something that does 200+ miles on a charge same thing on longer journeys. Sort 80%+ charge in 10 mins (widespread availability & no queue) with a range of 400+ miles and it might be interesting.
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17/02/2021 12:32:53 16 7
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One thing is for sure, the government will be taxing the hell out of everyone still owning a petrol or diesel vehicle after 2030, so if you cannot afford a electric vehicle by then, welcome to public transport. Now there’s an even bigger issue!
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Ian
17/02/2021 12:45:17 5 4
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That'll disappear!
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17/02/2021 13:05:54 1 3
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....and that is what it`s all about and the reason the yellow vests were rioting in Paris for 18 months solid up to covid (Not reported by `honest` BBC)...it`s about more taxation. An excuse eventually, whether you own a car or not, you will be paying a carbon footprint tax...in effect for breathing. The London bubble are stupid enough to agree though!
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17/02/2021 13:28:01 1 1
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Don't worry, after 2030 the government will start taxing the hell out of electricity to recoup the loss income from fuel duties.
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17/02/2021 15:55:18 0 0
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surprised public transport is not all EV eg taxis buses
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People should take ownership of your electricity by installing solar, a battery to store excess, and switch to Economy 7. These are expensive yes, but with a vast array of possibilities to have more than 1 source of income I'm sure people can find ways to pay for it.

New housing should also be more energy efficient and have solar by default, with local battery storage.
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17/02/2021 12:33:04 6 6
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Not much use in winter, the only solution is nuclear otherwise enjoy fuel poverty.
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17/02/2021 12:39:07 4 3
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That will be the German factory that Ford demanded money to rebuild after it was bombed during the war when churning out vehicles for the German army.
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17/02/2021 13:05:29 0 1
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To the victor the spoils, eh?
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17/02/2021 13:41:07 0 0
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what would you expect them to do? they were in Germany, Nazi controlled Germany. Run by Germans, who even if the opposed the regime would not have been able to go against it.
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17/02/2021 12:41:18 18 9
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We can moan, but ultimately the technology is the future and we should try to embrace it, rather than get stuck behind the curve.We have an opportunity to be global players in battery tech if the right decisions are taken.There are huge opportunities in power generation, charging tech, smart grids etc.Let’s start seeing the opportunities in future industries rather than seeing change as a threat.
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17/02/2021 13:01:22 18 5
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But, tech isnt there currently for most. Unaffordable for most and impractical for most....on many levels (range, charge speed, charge convenience, charge location etc).
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One thing is for sure, the government will be taxing the hell out of everyone still owning a petrol or diesel vehicle after 2030, so if you cannot afford a electric vehicle by then, welcome to public transport. Now there’s an even bigger issue!
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Ian
17/02/2021 12:45:17 5 4
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That'll disappear!
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17/02/2021 12:48:19 6 14
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The UK will not have the infrastructure in place by then so electric cars will be abandoned everywhere
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17/02/2021 13:15:05 1 0
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Bear in mind that sales of non-petrol/diesel vehicles will end in 2030 - petrol & diesel cars built before 2030 will still be driving around for another 10-15 years after that, so we're not all suddenly going to need chargers outside our houses.

And I can see that employers will pay to charge your car at work as well, as one of the perks of your job (assuming we're not all working from home!).
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17/02/2021 12:49:54 4 7
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Absolute, complete madness
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17/02/2021 12:51:43 3 6
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"Petrolheads" won't like this.

Good.
lol,we find it funny that morons have not realised yet that not enough power is generated to charge all these electric vehicles.
and the process of making batteries is still far more harmful than running petrol cars.
electric car owners are killing the planet you selfish sods
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17/02/2021 12:51:57 4 7
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Where the UK leads the rest will follow
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17/02/2021 13:02:35 6 2
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We are following Norway, more BEV sales than fossil fuel, with a ban on petrol and diesel car sales planned for 2025.
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17/02/2021 12:32:45 22 6
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Did they not appreciate it had to 'be plugged in' before they bought it? Also, given most of us tend to sleep at night, how is a 7 hour recharge an issue?
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17/02/2021 12:53:19 6 5
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Well, it proved to be an issue when his wife was rushed to hospital during the evening, and he couldn't immediately follow because the car wasn't charged. He had to wait for his son to arrive and take him - (no buses and the hospital is over 20 miles away). In normal circs the time wouldn't have been an issue, but in this case it was. He's changing the car and getting a self charging hybrid.
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17/02/2021 13:28:35 2 1
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or he could have got an uber or a cab
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17/02/2021 13:32:40 3 5
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Have you ever heard of a thing called an 'ambulance'? It is a sort of van, that is specially designed to look after and transport people to hospitals in an emergency.
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Embrace the future and stop moaning.
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17/02/2021 13:18:49 9 0
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You must be new to HYS, that's not the way it works on here!
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17/02/2021 13:39:23 0 0
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be we do need to be aware of potential issues and hold whatever Government to account for providing the infrastructure to allow us to go green
39
17/02/2021 12:55:26 3 2
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"Carmaker Ford has said its passenger vehicle line-up in Europe will be all-electric by 2030./By the middle of 2026, all its cars will be available as electric or hybrid models, it added."

As with the Jaguar announcement yesterday - all electric means every model will have a hybrid version available not that every car sold will be electric or even hybrid.

Or am I reading it incorrectly?
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17/02/2021 13:02:41 2 0
bbc
I think you might be reading it incorrectly, 'all-electric' suggests to me at least, that it's not a hybrid.

I could be wrong though, it is corporate marketing after all.
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17/02/2021 13:02:54 1 0
bbc
It says all Ford cars will be electric/hybrid by 2026 and fully electric by 2030
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17/02/2021 12:32:45 22 6
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Did they not appreciate it had to 'be plugged in' before they bought it? Also, given most of us tend to sleep at night, how is a 7 hour recharge an issue?
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17/02/2021 12:57:11 6 5
bbc
Er, if you want to drive 100-150 miles somewhere and then come back the same day for example? If you have something that only does 20-40 miles on a charge you are stumped much of the time. If you have something that does 200+ miles on a charge same thing on longer journeys. Sort 80%+ charge in 10 mins (widespread availability & no queue) with a range of 400+ miles and it might be interesting.
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17/02/2021 12:13:07 9 1
bbc
Wouldn't one get more distance from an electric charge by making a smaller, less heavy vehicle?
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17/02/2021 12:59:19 6 2
bbc
Size is a function of what people want to use them for. Batteries are the main element for weight. Make them smaller = less range (until new tech available).
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17/02/2021 12:59:38 10 5
bbc
Again many comments on infrastructure, for many drivers they will be able to charge at home and even do via a 3 pin plug. Even at 10mile per hour, you can add 100 miles between 9pm and 7am. 100 miles will do most people each day and be at a time most people are home/sleep. Yes, there will be also other that don't have at home charging or need quicker, if so leave the main charging points for them
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17/02/2021 13:02:18 4 3
bbc
Agree 100%.
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17/02/2021 13:07:23 1 1
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as a nation we do not create enough power to cope with all these elcteic cars.
you can have charging stations where ever you want but what is the point when we cannot even generate the power to charge the cars
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17/02/2021 12:41:18 18 9
bbc
We can moan, but ultimately the technology is the future and we should try to embrace it, rather than get stuck behind the curve.We have an opportunity to be global players in battery tech if the right decisions are taken.There are huge opportunities in power generation, charging tech, smart grids etc.Let’s start seeing the opportunities in future industries rather than seeing change as a threat.
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17/02/2021 13:01:22 18 5
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But, tech isnt there currently for most. Unaffordable for most and impractical for most....on many levels (range, charge speed, charge convenience, charge location etc).
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17/02/2021 13:08:04 2 1
bbc
If the government is serious about climate change it surely will have to heavily subsidise the transition for petrol/diesel engines to electric ones. If no one can afford to move around the country because of the cost of new tech, then you've got a fundamental cause for an economic crisis haven't you!
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17/02/2021 16:50:33 0 0
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All those points will improve massively over the coming years. Our level of technological advancement doesn’t stay static.
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17/02/2021 12:59:38 10 5
bbc
Again many comments on infrastructure, for many drivers they will be able to charge at home and even do via a 3 pin plug. Even at 10mile per hour, you can add 100 miles between 9pm and 7am. 100 miles will do most people each day and be at a time most people are home/sleep. Yes, there will be also other that don't have at home charging or need quicker, if so leave the main charging points for them
44
17/02/2021 13:02:18 4 3
bbc
Agree 100%.
45
17/02/2021 13:02:31 0 0
bbc
Mass charging stations and swing sets to kill time on when
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17/02/2021 12:51:57 4 7
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Where the UK leads the rest will follow
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17/02/2021 13:02:35 6 2
bbc
We are following Norway, more BEV sales than fossil fuel, with a ban on petrol and diesel car sales planned for 2025.
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17/02/2021 13:10:17 0 0
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lets hope they generate enough power to be able to charge all of these electeic vehicles.
and have they made a clean way to make the batteries for the cars yet?
last i read the process far is more harmful to the environment than running petrol engines.
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17/02/2021 12:07:19 16 6
bbc
Ford like General Motors didn’t stop making cars in the uk because of Brexit Luton and Dagenham stopped production a long time ago because simple a weak labour laws weak unions easier to close factory’s in the uk than Europe especially France Germany
47
17/02/2021 13:02:41 2 0
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Dagenham was turned into an engine production plant - the dragon engine if I'm not mistaken and that's DIESEL - oops
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17/02/2021 12:55:26 3 2
bbc
"Carmaker Ford has said its passenger vehicle line-up in Europe will be all-electric by 2030./By the middle of 2026, all its cars will be available as electric or hybrid models, it added."

As with the Jaguar announcement yesterday - all electric means every model will have a hybrid version available not that every car sold will be electric or even hybrid.

Or am I reading it incorrectly?
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17/02/2021 13:02:41 2 0
bbc
I think you might be reading it incorrectly, 'all-electric' suggests to me at least, that it's not a hybrid.

I could be wrong though, it is corporate marketing after all.
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17/02/2021 13:16:39 0 0
bbc
A hybrid is a conventional combustion engine with some assistance from an electric motor.
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17/02/2021 12:55:26 3 2
bbc
"Carmaker Ford has said its passenger vehicle line-up in Europe will be all-electric by 2030./By the middle of 2026, all its cars will be available as electric or hybrid models, it added."

As with the Jaguar announcement yesterday - all electric means every model will have a hybrid version available not that every car sold will be electric or even hybrid.

Or am I reading it incorrectly?
49
17/02/2021 13:02:54 1 0
bbc
It says all Ford cars will be electric/hybrid by 2026 and fully electric by 2030
72
17/02/2021 13:09:37 0 0
bbc
Its says "available as" that was the bit that I was referring to - its an odd wording if what you mean is "will be"
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17/02/2021 13:56:17 0 0
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Just noticed it says in Europe, I take it they are not doing this in the USA, where it would have a negative sales impact.
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17/02/2021 12:07:19 16 6
bbc
Ford like General Motors didn’t stop making cars in the uk because of Brexit Luton and Dagenham stopped production a long time ago because simple a weak labour laws weak unions easier to close factory’s in the uk than Europe especially France Germany
50
17/02/2021 13:03:53 1 0
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correction it's their 3cylinder petrol
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17/02/2021 13:31:07 0 0
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still ooops then
51
17/02/2021 13:04:37 3 5
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The old petrol-heads tripping out the same old argument. By looking on-line you can see how much has been done in the last year alone, not to mention those developments coming on-streams very soon. EV's make practicle sense to so many drivers now.

Just watch the price of fosil fuels steadily increase over the coming years as more people switch.

EV's close to having more market share than Diesel.
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17/02/2021 13:04:58 7 5
bbc
Not sure where the material for all these batteries will come from and the fact that the batteries will need to be replaced every few years. Not convinced that battery power is the way forward. Remember when CDs were the future? In reality the car makers have a 10 year plan and they will change it every 5 years.
73
17/02/2021 13:09:49 8 4
bbc
My battery is 6 years old and still running at 100% capacity.
74
17/02/2021 13:09:57 2 0
bbc
If you use Google, there are many good articles on the materials they use, where they come from and the new materials in development.
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17/02/2021 13:15:03 2 2
bbc
According to a report I read recently (will look for the link) in order to replace all vehicles in the UK with electric-only by 2030 we would need the entire world product of Lithium for every year between now and then. I suspect the rest of the world might have something to say about that. Then there's the small matters of infrastructure, power generation, flats / driveway-less houses etc etc
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17/02/2021 12:39:07 4 3
bbc
That will be the German factory that Ford demanded money to rebuild after it was bombed during the war when churning out vehicles for the German army.
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17/02/2021 13:05:29 0 1
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To the victor the spoils, eh?
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17/02/2021 13:41:58 0 0
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well I suppose it is back in American hands now.
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17/02/2021 11:54:09 47 13
bbc
Expect the cost of electricity to rocket then by 2030 and all those lovely SMART meters installed to hammer you peak time for pricing.
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17/02/2021 13:05:30 2 1
bbc
Expect the cost on petrol/diesel to plummet as well eventually, as you won't be buying any.
55
17/02/2021 13:05:36 2 4
bbc
My neighbor has a bmw hybrid company car, does he plug it in at night, will his company pay his electricity bill, the answer is no.
78
17/02/2021 13:10:55 1 0
bbc
If he has a hybrid he'll be claiming petrol rates in their expenses.
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17/02/2021 13:05:41 23 1
bbc
On the subject of electricity production can anyone tell me why the acres of warehouse roofing is not covered with solar panels? Surely green field should be saved for food production or tree growing and solar farms are an eyesore.
209
17/02/2021 13:39:32 0 2
bbc
Here Here, zero C02 created from importing food from south America!
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17/02/2021 13:47:45 2 0
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totally agree. Our warehouse does have some but could have more. I think it is due to cost v return as it is up to companies to fund it. The rates were reduced drastically.
277
17/02/2021 14:54:19 3 0
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If an energy company were to rent space on warehouse roofs there would be an income without any capital cost for the owners of the warehouses. That’s got to be a way forward.
322
17/02/2021 15:53:12 1 0
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or roof of flats
383
17/02/2021 20:24:58 0 0
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weight and cost but a very valid point .a minor incentive ..a lot less than 22bn for track and trace and it is easily done.
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17/02/2021 13:06:00 19 10
bbc
well unless ford start also building power stations,i can guarwntee they wont be going fully electeic by 2030.
not enough power is generated to cope with wver increasing electric cars.
it will also destroy the planet with the amount of carbon emissions caused making these elctric cars which far outweighs the pollution from a petrol engine
66
17/02/2021 13:08:41 7 17
bbc
WRONG! 2019, Scotland produced almost 100% of it's electricity ferom renewables.
324
17/02/2021 15:54:41 0 0
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theres interview on youtube by the national grid on the subject
406
17/02/2021 21:10:38 0 0
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What a load of ill-informed rubbish. Have you not read NationalGrid’s own report on the future supply and demand or the reports of life cycle pollution of ev vs fossil fuelled vehicle. Obviously not.
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17/02/2021 13:06:17 5 14
bbc
Many elderly & confused Brits on HYS posting comments against cars going electric in order to try save the planet for their Grandchildren

Its like they are afraid of change & would rather irreparably damage the planet & cause their grandchildren to suffer dearly then change habits nurtured over a lifetime

The fact is car batterys that can change in under 5 mins are already invented

Embrace it
80
17/02/2021 13:11:01 4 0
bbc
Can you post a link to the network of charging stations that can do this please? I'm sure all the HYS readers would love to know.
83
17/02/2021 13:11:19 1 0
bbc
And who's going to generate all this additional electricity? Nobody wants to invest in new power stations.
88
17/02/2021 13:12:42 2 0
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There is no such battery.
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17/02/2021 13:37:39 0 0
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I love the sound, feel and power of my V8 powered car and I think its a real shame that we are being dictated to by government and car manufacturers that we cant have and drive what we like. The 5 t of CO2 my car throws out each year is a drop in the ocean compared with the Coal fired power stations of China. I'm going to stick with my V8 for as long as I can. Ive Driven a Tesla it was soulless.
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17/02/2021 13:06:51 41 4
bbc
People keep banging on about electric cars and phasing out fossil-fuel driven vehicles, BUT I have yet to see any infrastructure policy which addresses the issue of re-charging electric vehicles close to one's home. So many older properties (and let's be honest these are still the majority) open straight onto the pavement with no space for a car other than on the road. How's that going to work?
67
17/02/2021 13:08:57 32 2
bbc
What about people who live in apartments ?
82
17/02/2021 13:11:07 5 7
bbc
You can get service channels put into the pavement into which you can lay charging cables, you then have workplace chargers, car park chargers, rapid chargers. There are already people that own EV's and have no home charging capability that have no issues.
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LG
17/02/2021 13:12:01 7 2
bbc
Wait and see, 10 years is a long way away in terms of technology.
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17/02/2021 13:14:43 3 9
bbc
Hydrogen.
That’s your answer,
317
17/02/2021 15:49:34 0 2
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they will make people use publics transport...the future is no one owners a car eventually. it will be a self driving taxi
60
17/02/2021 13:07:00 11 7
bbc
Not enough infrastructure.

This will fail and get kicked down the road.
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LG
17/02/2021 13:10:52 4 2
bbc
How was the infrastructure 10 years ago?
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17/02/2021 12:59:38 10 5
bbc
Again many comments on infrastructure, for many drivers they will be able to charge at home and even do via a 3 pin plug. Even at 10mile per hour, you can add 100 miles between 9pm and 7am. 100 miles will do most people each day and be at a time most people are home/sleep. Yes, there will be also other that don't have at home charging or need quicker, if so leave the main charging points for them
61
17/02/2021 13:07:23 1 1
bbc
as a nation we do not create enough power to cope with all these elcteic cars.
you can have charging stations where ever you want but what is the point when we cannot even generate the power to charge the cars
220
17/02/2021 13:45:02 1 1
bbc
most are charged at night and capacity is highest then. We do need more power of course but that is also being addressed
10
17/02/2021 12:07:50 17 11
bbc
Unless and until the infrastructure is in place across the country to recharge electric vehicles, and they can be charged in less than 10 minutes, then they will remain a niche ownership. A neighbour has had an all electric vehicle ( a top of the range luxury make) for over a year and is very disappointed in it, because it has to be plugged in and fully charged up, which takes 7 hours.
62
17/02/2021 13:07:36 5 4
bbc
I've been driving an electric hatchback for 6 years.

Never had trouble finding a charge point.

The new chargers give me a full top up in 30min.

Never going back to petrol.
177
17/02/2021 13:29:30 2 3
bbc
When everyone has one it will be a different story.
63
17/02/2021 13:07:41 2 3
bbc
Ford is dumping the UK - time to buy Asian, US or UK brands where people actually like us and are not just out to steal out industries.
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17/02/2021 13:13:57 0 0
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You mean we should buy US brands...like Ford?
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17/02/2021 13:01:22 18 5
bbc
But, tech isnt there currently for most. Unaffordable for most and impractical for most....on many levels (range, charge speed, charge convenience, charge location etc).
64
17/02/2021 13:08:04 2 1
bbc
If the government is serious about climate change it surely will have to heavily subsidise the transition for petrol/diesel engines to electric ones. If no one can afford to move around the country because of the cost of new tech, then you've got a fundamental cause for an economic crisis haven't you!
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17/02/2021 13:27:37 0 0
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I agree, but they have not said they are not doing that yet. They did that scheme to scrap older cars previously, so one can hope.
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17/02/2021 12:19:41 6 7
bbc
Erm......eh?
65
17/02/2021 13:08:25 1 0
bbc
Yes quite! Punctuation is a wonderful thing.
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17/02/2021 13:06:00 19 10
bbc
well unless ford start also building power stations,i can guarwntee they wont be going fully electeic by 2030.
not enough power is generated to cope with wver increasing electric cars.
it will also destroy the planet with the amount of carbon emissions caused making these elctric cars which far outweighs the pollution from a petrol engine
66
17/02/2021 13:08:41 7 17
bbc
WRONG! 2019, Scotland produced almost 100% of it's electricity ferom renewables.
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17/02/2021 13:22:50 2 1
bbc
Of which less than 1% went to charge an electric car......there won't be enough land to put a wind turbine or solar panel on if even just half the cars on the road went electric. The only way to power all these electric cars is a few more nuclear power stations and a 100 billion or so invested in infrastructure. It will eventually happen, but will take decades longer.
59
17/02/2021 13:06:51 41 4
bbc
People keep banging on about electric cars and phasing out fossil-fuel driven vehicles, BUT I have yet to see any infrastructure policy which addresses the issue of re-charging electric vehicles close to one's home. So many older properties (and let's be honest these are still the majority) open straight onto the pavement with no space for a car other than on the road. How's that going to work?
67
17/02/2021 13:08:57 32 2
bbc
What about people who live in apartments ?
168
17/02/2021 13:27:23 5 2
bbc
My eldest used to live in an apartment in a city centre and paid extra for a car parking spot in the garage. Many didn't do so because they used public transport. Expect these sort of units to provide parking with chargers in the future or more people to use public transport. Humans are very adaptable when the financial pressures make one option unviable.
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JM
17/02/2021 13:56:31 10 6
bbc
do you fill up your petrol or diesel on your drive ? actually you go to a filling station, same for electric if your dont have a drive..
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17/02/2021 12:07:19 16 6
bbc
Ford like General Motors didn’t stop making cars in the uk because of Brexit Luton and Dagenham stopped production a long time ago because simple a weak labour laws weak unions easier to close factory’s in the uk than Europe especially France Germany
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17/02/2021 13:09:17 2 0
bbc
Third correction - the dragon is (was) made at Bridgend in Wales, the Dagenham plant produces the DIESEL and 85% of production is exported
69
17/02/2021 13:09:19 5 4
bbc
It seems like Ford, like Jaguar, is determined to see its market share drop. There is no way the infrastructure will be available to refuel vehicles that want to travel decent distances. There is no way there will be enough power generation to support major use of electric vehicles.
Furthermore this will add to the rate of depletion of the already rare materials used for the batteries.
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Rob
17/02/2021 13:09:22 19 1
bbc
We massivly need to improve the infrastructure for charging. OK I have a two car drive but what if i lived in a flat? What about roads with terraced houses and not enough parking for everybody, and you have to park round the corner. What happends in a traffic jam, or bad snow when everybody has a flat battery after a couple of hours being stuck?
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17/02/2021 13:13:45 8 25
bbc
"What happends in a traffic jam, or bad snow when everybody has a flat battery after a couple of hours being stuck?"

ICE cars run out of fossil fuel far more quickly than EV's run out of battery power - the power consumption for heating is tiny compared to the energy required for powered motion. Your claims are a fallacy.
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17/02/2021 13:35:13 5 1
bbc
and so does the tow truck.
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JM
17/02/2021 13:58:11 1 8
bbc
if you live in a flat you fill your car at a filling station - it is the same for your EV
321
17/02/2021 15:52:51 4 0
bbc
they should move public transport to EV first
71
17/02/2021 13:09:32 3 2
bbc
A really good move by Ford that will I hope spur development of the support network needed for this. I seem to remember that only two-thirds of English houses had access to off road parking. Until we have the infrastructure to charge cars especially for those who don't have off road parking the policy will unfortunately fail.
217
17/02/2021 13:43:28 1 0
bbc
not if it becomes law. It will succeed, but a lot of people will be bulluxed.
49
17/02/2021 13:02:54 1 0
bbc
It says all Ford cars will be electric/hybrid by 2026 and fully electric by 2030
72
17/02/2021 13:09:37 0 0
bbc
Its says "available as" that was the bit that I was referring to - its an odd wording if what you mean is "will be"
52
17/02/2021 13:04:58 7 5
bbc
Not sure where the material for all these batteries will come from and the fact that the batteries will need to be replaced every few years. Not convinced that battery power is the way forward. Remember when CDs were the future? In reality the car makers have a 10 year plan and they will change it every 5 years.
73
17/02/2021 13:09:49 8 4
bbc
My battery is 6 years old and still running at 100% capacity.
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17/02/2021 13:25:56 3 1
bbc
100% of what is likely to be actually 60% of original capacity is hardly the same thing. My phone is six years old and happily charges to “100%”, but lasts half the time. To quote Anchorman, “60% of the time, it works every time”
52
17/02/2021 13:04:58 7 5
bbc
Not sure where the material for all these batteries will come from and the fact that the batteries will need to be replaced every few years. Not convinced that battery power is the way forward. Remember when CDs were the future? In reality the car makers have a 10 year plan and they will change it every 5 years.
74
17/02/2021 13:09:57 2 0
bbc
If you use Google, there are many good articles on the materials they use, where they come from and the new materials in development.
46
17/02/2021 13:02:35 6 2
bbc
We are following Norway, more BEV sales than fossil fuel, with a ban on petrol and diesel car sales planned for 2025.
75
17/02/2021 13:10:17 0 0
bbc
lets hope they generate enough power to be able to charge all of these electeic vehicles.
and have they made a clean way to make the batteries for the cars yet?
last i read the process far is more harmful to the environment than running petrol engines.
76
17/02/2021 13:10:40 0 0
bbc
"...all its cars will be available as electric or hybrid models"

Hybrids are allowed. A hybrid is basically a petrol-engined car with a bolt-on token battery option which will have a small capacity of 30 miles or so.

So as long as it's not forbidden to sell petrol (and I don't think it is, is it?) you can still buy an ICE vehicle.
195
17/02/2021 13:34:01 0 0
bbc
No, come 2030 no new hybrids allowed as only all electric allowed for new vehicles in UK (not sure how well this will work, it will need a lot of charging points and a lot more electricity production...). Of course, old vehicles could be around for years if they aren't banned at some stage and if there are enough to make selling fuel worthwhile.
60
17/02/2021 13:07:00 11 7
bbc
Not enough infrastructure.

This will fail and get kicked down the road.
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LG
17/02/2021 13:10:52 4 2
bbc
How was the infrastructure 10 years ago?
97
17/02/2021 13:14:35 3 4
bbc
About same as now.
55
17/02/2021 13:05:36 2 4
bbc
My neighbor has a bmw hybrid company car, does he plug it in at night, will his company pay his electricity bill, the answer is no.
78
17/02/2021 13:10:55 1 0
bbc
If he has a hybrid he'll be claiming petrol rates in their expenses.
191
17/02/2021 13:21:59 1 0
bbc
So you're obviously happy to pay for the 250kW 3phase charging system to be installed at your residence then? And where is all this enrgy to charge your vehicle going to come from?
Many elderly & confused Brits on HYS posting comments against cars going electric in order to try save the planet for their Grandchildren

Its like they are afraid of change & would rather irreparably damage the planet & cause their grandchildren to suffer dearly then change habits nurtured over a lifetime

The fact is car batterys that can change in under 5 mins are already invented

Embrace it
80
17/02/2021 13:11:01 4 0
bbc
Can you post a link to the network of charging stations that can do this please? I'm sure all the HYS readers would love to know.
81
17/02/2021 13:11:04 20 3
bbc
I can see the price of houses with driveways increasing much more than homes without off-street parking. Car owners in areas where the ubiquitous quirky British terraced house is the norm will be 'going to war' to claim their 'right' to the nearest charger.
110
17/02/2021 13:16:56 16 0
bbc
And at present even new build houses haven't got charging points as a legal requirement! Hybrid is the best they can aim for until the government act.
131
17/02/2021 13:19:58 1 3
bbc
What if they come up with a removable battery, whilst a small battery remains to keeps settings, mileage etc.
Take the main battery indoors to charge, regardless of whether you live in a detached mansion or high rise flat, avoids vehicle thefts too.
Ok, so it may take 50 years...
PS This idea is now patented
Why?

We have already invented a car battery that fully recharges in 5 mins

These will only get better in the future

Not to mention hydrogen power

Your comment makes you look uneducated mate so why dont you quickly google before having your say the next time?
197
17/02/2021 13:34:17 2 0
bbc
I would imagine so clever people who run car parks will make them overnight charging stations where possible to increase revenue.
319
17/02/2021 15:51:57 1 0
bbc
you can get a good amount of battery recharge at a Tesla supercharge station in 30mins
342
17/02/2021 16:52:13 1 0
bbc
I can't imagine how places with lots of high rise apartments are going to cope. In Spain the majority of big cities have primarily high rise flats. Urban streets of terraced houses are sparse there.

I've got a big driveway and solar panels. Perhaps there's a business opportunity. ;)
59
17/02/2021 13:06:51 41 4
bbc
People keep banging on about electric cars and phasing out fossil-fuel driven vehicles, BUT I have yet to see any infrastructure policy which addresses the issue of re-charging electric vehicles close to one's home. So many older properties (and let's be honest these are still the majority) open straight onto the pavement with no space for a car other than on the road. How's that going to work?
82
17/02/2021 13:11:07 5 7
bbc
You can get service channels put into the pavement into which you can lay charging cables, you then have workplace chargers, car park chargers, rapid chargers. There are already people that own EV's and have no home charging capability that have no issues.
154
17/02/2021 13:23:40 4 1
bbc
I think the point is we're nowhere near the infrastructure to allow people to travel very far and get home again, let alone where to put home chargers. Big investment is needed. Maybe stop stuffing up motorways with revenue cameras and get on with this instead?
344
17/02/2021 16:54:28 1 2
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Yes, but when everyone has them...2 chargers at a work car park for 100 employees won't suffice
Many elderly & confused Brits on HYS posting comments against cars going electric in order to try save the planet for their Grandchildren

Its like they are afraid of change & would rather irreparably damage the planet & cause their grandchildren to suffer dearly then change habits nurtured over a lifetime

The fact is car batterys that can change in under 5 mins are already invented

Embrace it
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17/02/2021 13:11:19 1 0
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And who's going to generate all this additional electricity? Nobody wants to invest in new power stations.
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17/02/2021 12:07:19 16 6
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Ford like General Motors didn’t stop making cars in the uk because of Brexit Luton and Dagenham stopped production a long time ago because simple a weak labour laws weak unions easier to close factory’s in the uk than Europe especially France Germany
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17/02/2021 13:11:20 1 0
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Part of the original ford plant at dagenham contained a battery production plant run under licence from VARTA. I think that closed in the mid 80's
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17/02/2021 13:31:43 0 0
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damn the Eu then :)
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17/02/2021 12:27:30 28 10
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People should take ownership of your electricity by installing solar, a battery to store excess, and switch to Economy 7. These are expensive yes, but with a vast array of possibilities to have more than 1 source of income I'm sure people can find ways to pay for it.

New housing should also be more energy efficient and have solar by default, with local battery storage.
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17/02/2021 13:11:36 7 2
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Thats fine and dandy for those living in houses but what about those living in flats etc? They cant do much to install solar, where are they meant to charge their cars? There's no infrastructure.
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17/02/2021 13:20:29 1 2
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self charging Hybrid - the policy is no PURELY petrol / diesel cars, not PURE electric.
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17/02/2021 13:11:38 5 4
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Roll-on all electric, hope by then we can afford to buy one, I hope at least they will stop throwing money at these silly 'self-drive' vehicles.....
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17/02/2021 13:06:51 41 4
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People keep banging on about electric cars and phasing out fossil-fuel driven vehicles, BUT I have yet to see any infrastructure policy which addresses the issue of re-charging electric vehicles close to one's home. So many older properties (and let's be honest these are still the majority) open straight onto the pavement with no space for a car other than on the road. How's that going to work?
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LG
17/02/2021 13:12:01 7 2
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Wait and see, 10 years is a long way away in terms of technology.
Many elderly & confused Brits on HYS posting comments against cars going electric in order to try save the planet for their Grandchildren

Its like they are afraid of change & would rather irreparably damage the planet & cause their grandchildren to suffer dearly then change habits nurtured over a lifetime

The fact is car batterys that can change in under 5 mins are already invented

Embrace it
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17/02/2021 13:12:42 2 0
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There is no such battery.
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17/02/2021 12:15:05 2 3
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Be thankful that the UK has large deposits of Lithium under our northern hills. We can make all the batteries here in the the UK thanks to our former mining activities.
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17/02/2021 13:12:46 1 1
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Mining is bad. The eco warriors don't like that either! You are only sustainable if you walk around bare foot. Batteries are a devastatingly bad cause of world pollution and surface destruction due to extensive mining, but reduce local air pollution. Badness in a different place.
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MVP
17/02/2021 11:54:06 56 7
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No surprise that Ford will have electric cars by 2030.

It will be illegal for them to sell petrol / diesel cars by then
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17/02/2021 13:12:49 10 3
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Hybrids are allowed aren't they? They are basically petrol-engined cars with a small (token?) battery with a limited battery range of around 30 miles or so.

Therefore, unless it's illegal to sell petrol/diesel itself (and I don't think it is, is it?), manufacturers can still sell vehicles with petrol/diesel engines after 2030.
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17/02/2021 13:20:12 4 0
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Under the proposed legislation the UK Government confirmed that it will ban the sale of new petrol, diesel and hybrid cars from 2030. So, no Hybrid cars will not be allowed.
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17/02/2021 13:21:17 3 0
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From what I understand yes you can purchase a new hybrid car after 2030 and second hand petrol and diesel.

The question is why a hybrid? The prices of fully electric will have fallen enough to make them affordable.

Petrol/diesel will be made super expensive. VED will be higher. Only advantage of hybrid I can see is for those without the ability to charge at home which is fair enough.
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17/02/2021 13:21:59 0 6
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I love how you are confidently commenting on what a huge multinational like Ford will be doing in 9 years time. Unless you are their CEO, you comment is meaningless drivel.
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17/02/2021 13:52:58 3 4
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But why would anyone want to buy them? Electric cars are better in every way, faster, cheaper, quieter, don't kill anyone with air pollution, don't fuel war in the middle east. With a hybrid you're paying for 2 power trains, with pure electric there are so few moving parts to break, plus no oil changes.
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17/02/2021 12:51:43 3 6
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"Petrolheads" won't like this.

Good.
lol,we find it funny that morons have not realised yet that not enough power is generated to charge all these electric vehicles.
and the process of making batteries is still far more harmful than running petrol cars.
electric car owners are killing the planet you selfish sods
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Al
17/02/2021 13:13:11 7 1
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The technology will improve between now and 2030. Charging will get quicker, more charging points and range will increase. All petrol stations will install quick charging points out of necessity as there will be less ICE's on the road.
As with all technology it will improve rapidly, costs will drop in real terms as it becomes mainstream.
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17/02/2021 13:23:46 10 1
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If every petrol station in the UK installed the same number of the highest rate chargers currently available as pumps you would need 10 times more petrol stations to give the equivalent capacity in terms of miles per minute.
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17/02/2021 12:17:01 75 12
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The clock is ticking but I'm yet to see or hear of any plan to resolve the charging infrastructure conundrum that nobody seems to be keen to tackle.

If you live in any property where there is insufficient or no allocated parking you are goosed until a solution is found and rolled out en-masse.

This policy of only allowing new builds allocation for 1 car per household is looking massively flawed.
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17/02/2021 13:13:17 27 15
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Hydrogen.
That’s your answer.
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17/02/2021 13:18:33 14 3
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It's not really an answer if nobody has been able to solve it yet.
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17/02/2021 13:26:55 2 8
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It should be but Elon Musk and his cronies in the EV cartel will be totally against it.
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DrR
17/02/2021 13:33:28 7 2
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That's a lot of hot air isn't it?
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17/02/2021 13:35:32 7 2
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There could be a "BOOM" in that.
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17/02/2021 13:37:35 10 7
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I would agree. Electric is an evolutionary dead end for vehicles. Unless a way can be found to manufacture a battery that doesn't involve mining in some ecologically sensitive areas around the world & then shipping that material halfway around the globe, there is no long-term future. Hydrogen is an alternative that can be made using currently available power sources with an upscaling of machinery
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17/02/2021 13:52:52 6 11
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No it's not. We are trying to use less fossil fuels not more.
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17/02/2021 14:14:06 5 6
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Hydrogen doesn't work, it's too expensive and inefficient.
https://electrek.co/2020/04/22/daimler-ends-hydrogen-car-development-because-its-too-costly/

This is why 6% of UK cars sold in 2020 were pure electric. The 2021 figure will be more than 10%, this will grow every year. Hydrogen is at 0% and will stay there.
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17/02/2021 15:46:41 1 0
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Hydrogen Energy is Expensive-Electrolysis and steam reforming, the two main processes of hydrogen extraction which require the use of fossil fuels.
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17/02/2021 13:13:44 1 0
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Though they were looking at solar power......?
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Rob
17/02/2021 13:09:22 19 1
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We massivly need to improve the infrastructure for charging. OK I have a two car drive but what if i lived in a flat? What about roads with terraced houses and not enough parking for everybody, and you have to park round the corner. What happends in a traffic jam, or bad snow when everybody has a flat battery after a couple of hours being stuck?
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17/02/2021 13:13:45 8 25
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"What happends in a traffic jam, or bad snow when everybody has a flat battery after a couple of hours being stuck?"

ICE cars run out of fossil fuel far more quickly than EV's run out of battery power - the power consumption for heating is tiny compared to the energy required for powered motion. Your claims are a fallacy.
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17/02/2021 13:22:54 12 4
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Are you involved at the R&D stage working directly with vehicle manufacturers like I am? If not, be quiet. You’ve no idea what you are talking about.
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17/02/2021 13:28:13 4 3
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Electric cars are not using their main batteries when sitting still. They are not 'idling' like ICE cars.
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17/02/2021 13:36:45 7 1
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not really, batteries perform worse in the cold, it is a valid point. plus you can run the heater for a while then turn the engine on to preserve battery in an ICE vehicle.
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17/02/2021 13:07:41 2 3
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Ford is dumping the UK - time to buy Asian, US or UK brands where people actually like us and are not just out to steal out industries.
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17/02/2021 13:13:57 0 0
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You mean we should buy US brands...like Ford?
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LG
17/02/2021 13:10:52 4 2
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How was the infrastructure 10 years ago?
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17/02/2021 13:14:35 3 4
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About same as now.
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17/02/2021 21:20:49 0 0
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Rubbish. Thousands of points have been installed.
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17/02/2021 13:14:38 2 2
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You can get 2nd hand electric cars for less than £10,000.

Lampposts are being fitted with charging sockets.

Batteries last years.

They require minimal serving.

They're very cheap to run and accelerate faster than old cars that burn fuel, need gears to accelerate and spew noxious fumes.
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17/02/2021 13:17:50 2 0
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Lamp post circuits can't handle the power requirements for the total demand.
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17/02/2021 13:06:51 41 4
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People keep banging on about electric cars and phasing out fossil-fuel driven vehicles, BUT I have yet to see any infrastructure policy which addresses the issue of re-charging electric vehicles close to one's home. So many older properties (and let's be honest these are still the majority) open straight onto the pavement with no space for a car other than on the road. How's that going to work?
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17/02/2021 13:14:43 3 9
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Hydrogen.
That’s your answer,
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17/02/2021 13:24:32 6 4
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sounds dodgy to me. The r101 was filled with the stuff. That didn't end well.
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17/02/2021 13:14:48 1 0
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Fact - my city council is doing nothing and has no plans to implement (because I have asked for a charging point in my street so I can change from diesel to electric) a charging infrastructure for the 70,000 vehicles with no on-street charging facilities. The clock is ticking, more than 600 such points per month are required by December 2029.