Covid-19: Millions of asthmatics 'must wait for vaccine'
15/02/2021 | news | health | 1,049
A much narrower group will now be eligible than previously indicated.
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15/02/2021 14:06:43 3 11
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Oh well.
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15/02/2021 14:32:10 4 8
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Asthmatics could die of covid from this decision and that, THAT is what you have to say about it?!? Wow, how lucky humanity is having you on the planet!
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15/02/2021 14:42:21 1 1
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Glad to hear it!
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15/02/2021 14:07:05 94 56
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You reap what you sow. Labelling people with very mild symptoms as truly asthmatic was always going to cause a problem. But it helped GPs rake in more money through the QOF incentive.
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15/02/2021 14:25:06 119 6
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"Mild" means it won't kill you, but it's still hard to breathe, or at least that's my experience.

It's far more likely for a mild asthmatic to get a secondary chest infection from cold or flu.

So, it's more complex than that, mild asthmatics may well be at more risk from Covid lung symptoms.

However, I find it difficult to prioritise myself over others at risk, so I'm just waiting patiently.
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15/02/2021 14:21:04 21 3
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For your information asthmatics with 2 inhalers are not mild asthmatics but now can't have the jab in group 6.
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15/02/2021 14:29:12 17 2
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Only patients who need inhaled steroids and/or oral treatment such as steroids or leukotriene receptor antagonists were going to get the vaccine early. These are not mild asthmatics.
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15/02/2021 15:19:29 5 3
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There is no such illness as "mild asthma". It is always a life threatening condition. Severe or brittle asthma needs extreme intervention and care. An attack is often a very quick reaction to a trigger such as smoke or preservatives in food and closes up the airways. If you can't breathe you have 3 minutes to live. An attack like this or chest infection after a virus can lead to brittle asthma.
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15/02/2021 15:22:38 8 6
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Based on the numbers of people coming into my store without a mask citing asthma as the reason not to wear one, half the country must be asthmatic!!!
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15/02/2021 16:11:21 5 3
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Similarly GPs receive an additional fee for every flu vaccination Therefore we’re now in the situation where people with asthma are a priority for a flu vaccine but not a coronavirus vaccine
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Asthmatic teacher.
I want kids back in school (with me teaching them!)
Can we please at least therefore consider masks in schools like most countries?
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15/02/2021 14:30:15 65 71
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Or they could vaccinate teachers as the high-priority, given that they are people-facing key workers.
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15/02/2021 14:31:47 7 17
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Can you please show evidence they work?
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15/02/2021 15:17:17 5 14
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Refuse to teach children without masks. Your union will back you up. Its not fair that you put in that position.
Masks do almost nothing.

They've been politicised because they are the most visual measure but in comparison to hand hygiene or reducing social contacts they are almost irrelevant. Even worse they have the psychological effect of making the wearer feel invincible and so ignoring the guidance on hands and distance.
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15/02/2021 17:01:57 3 4
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The school could mandate them theirselves,they set the rules for their school.
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15/02/2021 17:31:20 1 2
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I thought that is what the children were doing in the first place mask wearing and the 2 metre rule
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15/02/2021 18:14:51 2 1
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Not sure why this is contentious, my son was required to wear a mask when in classrooms for most of last term. This is a comp in England. It's not exactly a hardship to impose this requirement - clearly some schools think it is a sensible measure.
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15/02/2021 14:08:10 20 16
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Don't worry, it looks like the BAME community will be coming to your rescue and you'll get it far quicker than expected.
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15/02/2021 14:06:18 6 8
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I wish this was known a year ago.
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15/02/2021 14:39:46 7 1
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We didnt even know we'd have a vaccine a year ago!
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15/02/2021 14:10:40 5 4
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Thanks for following up on the previous article.
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15/02/2021 14:11:14 11 15
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How many more 'prioritised' segments can we identify?
Seems like I'm in a minority in this country as I don't have a recognised affliction!
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15/02/2021 14:24:07 8 2
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Then count yourself lucky.
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15/02/2021 14:26:40 4 3
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I think you just demonstrated one....
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15/02/2021 14:11:19 14 25
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I hope those that can't stop eating are not in the 7.3m.
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15/02/2021 14:18:18 9 4
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We all must keep eating or we would starve to death.
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15/02/2021 14:11:26 11 28
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15 million have been HALF vaccinated, 3 weeks after their second vaccination (so 4 months away) they'll have around 65% protection. The virus is now far more virulent. Excessive optimism is likely to see us right back where we were within weeks.
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15/02/2021 14:14:18 20 3
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15 million people have had a vaccine and are more protected than without it
many of those 15 million are well into the 12 week peroid before their second jab that increases their protection

BUT THEY HAVE BEEN VACCINATED
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15/02/2021 14:24:48 6 5
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Why the constant miserable comments on here. Surely you can't all be working for the BBC and their agenda.
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15/02/2021 14:11:32 9 5
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Im sure Jeff Hunt thinks he's a member of the opposition
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15/02/2021 14:13:38 6 6
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Who ?
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15/02/2021 14:11:32 9 5
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Im sure Jeff Hunt thinks he's a member of the opposition
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15/02/2021 14:13:38 6 6
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Who ?
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15/02/2021 14:28:01 2 3
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Read the article then - he's quoted. Duh!
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???????? The success of easing lockdown relies upon people taking the vaccine ????????

???????? It's important that the vaccine is seen to be being rolled out in a fair way. We can't afford in-fighting over who gets what and when. ????????

???????? But once it's your turn, get vaccinated. It's not just your future ... it's for all of our futures ????????
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I think that this country has a problem with obesity that we need to tackle.

Maybe this should be incentivised by some sort of fat tax (maybe £100 per month for every BMI point over 30 per fattso - that should clarify things)

Also denying the vaccine to fat people should help to encourage them to keep their hand out of the cookie jar. Smokers/vapers too.
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15/02/2021 15:11:53 6 6
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Trouble is it was my turn and now it is not. The criteria was changed last week. NHS website was still stating this morning that Group6 included those with asthma taking inhaled steroids. I think I have a reason to scream & shout. I'm trying to comment in a civilised way. Many people will be very frightened about this decision.
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15/02/2021 15:51:43 1 1
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Love your lipstick.

By the way, I do agree.
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15/02/2021 18:48:37 0 2
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stupid person, needs removed from the gene pool
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15/02/2021 18:54:08 0 2
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Very simplistic view of things. You have a messianic hope in this vaccine which is probably unfounded.
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15/02/2021 19:38:37 0 2
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I have declined vaccination and shall continue so to do until guaranteed receipt of a vaccine I consider acceptable. At present my candidate vaccines are AstraZeneca's and Russia's Sputnik.

Incidentally, neither lock-down nor vaccination have contributed to the epidemic waning. Decline in Covid-19 cases is anticipated epidemic behaviour.
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15/02/2021 19:44:52 0 2
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Have you got AZ dividends?
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15/02/2021 14:09:22 18 19
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Instead of trying to make a story out of nothing why not interview the Whitehall staff making these decisions and report on the basis on which they are made.

We all know that if mild asthmatics were prioritised you would report on the next vulnerable group in line and so on.

Data and facts not scaremongering and hyperbole.

This is why people are cancelling their licences and China banned you.
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15/02/2021 14:24:36 9 13
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Would I be correct in assuming you will refuse the Covid vaccine, think Brexit is good for the UK and Donald Trump was a great President?
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15/02/2021 14:36:32 7 3
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It isn't a non-story though, many people (myself included) are asthma sufferers who thought we would be slightly higher in the at risk category, and now are told we aren't. Okay, so I may not be at more risk of dying, but it does say in the article that I will be more likely to suffer lasting effects of the virus if I recover, so yes, this article is entirely relevant.
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15/02/2021 15:33:08 2 2
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Its not just mild asthmatics who have been pushed out today. Its also all chronic asthmatics who aren't taking oral steroids. These could be severely hit by this disease and are much more likely to suffer serious long term consequences.

Up until today we were all expecting a vaccine call in the next few weeks.
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15/02/2021 14:11:26 11 28
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15 million have been HALF vaccinated, 3 weeks after their second vaccination (so 4 months away) they'll have around 65% protection. The virus is now far more virulent. Excessive optimism is likely to see us right back where we were within weeks.
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15/02/2021 14:14:18 20 3
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15 million people have had a vaccine and are more protected than without it
many of those 15 million are well into the 12 week peroid before their second jab that increases their protection

BUT THEY HAVE BEEN VACCINATED
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15/02/2021 14:14:41 10 30
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Having suffered acute Asthma all my life (mid 50's now) the clueless NHS managed to completely lose all records of the fact when I last saw a GP (over a year ago, as it's impossible to contact them now).

I don't know about protecting the NHS - I'd rather have the tens of thousands of pound of National Insurance money. The NHS is useless.
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15/02/2021 14:23:21 20 7
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What a miserable dog in the manger comment. Just because you have had a problem doesn't mean the vast majority of people in this country haven't had a good service. The NHS is NOT useless.
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15/02/2021 14:46:25 6 2
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"I'd rather have the tens of thousands of pound of National Insurance money"

Blimey....if you're paying £10,000 in National Insurance each year, your annual salary is above £300,000 - I'd go private if I were you.........
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15/02/2021 15:00:33 3 1
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Rubbish, if you have acute asthma you should have been getting your inhalers every single month and your GP will have those records to pass on to the wider NHS.

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15/02/2021 21:12:32 1 0
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Hmm it is a legal requirement to see year GP every 12 months for a medication review. So if you have acute asthma you would be needing a repeat script every 4 weeks for meds which would need to be added to your notes
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15/02/2021 14:14:45 17 8
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I am aged 69, have mild asthma controlled by a daily 'preventer' inhaler, and only using a 'reliever' inhaler as required from time to time. Notwithstanding, I was invited a week ago by my health centre to receive my first Astra-Zeneca jab at my nearby vaccination hub, which I happily took up.
Whatever 'policy' might say, it's clear that there is wide local interpretation.
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15/02/2021 14:19:30 11 3
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Yes, I'm 66 and similarly use a daily preventer inhaler and I was texted by my local surgery to book the first vaccination, I had the Pfizer jab on 5th February.
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15/02/2021 14:23:02 14 1
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The reason you were invited was because of your age not your Asthma. My husband and all my friends in the age droup 65 to 69 years have been called.
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15/02/2021 14:25:45 10 1
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I suspect it's because you're 69 rather than an asthma sufferer. Over 65s have been getting jabbed for about a week or two in quite a few places
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15/02/2021 14:50:55 2 2
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I'm 66, no health problems and I've had first jab. NHS started calling over 65's a fortnight ago without shouting about it to make sure they hit the target of 15 million
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15/02/2021 14:15:04 137 74
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Thousands, like my daughter, told they are vulnerable and get flu jab every year. Led to believe all along that they are classed as vulnerable, many shielding voluntarily only to be told now that they are 'more at risk of covid but not at more risk of dying'
What is that supposed to mean? They catch it easier or get it worse but don't die?
Give them the vaccine
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15/02/2021 14:26:00 149 79
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Whats the problem with your daughter waiting her turn? If she pushes her way to the front of the q because she is paranoid, someone who is much more at risk of dying is exposed. Lets all stop being selfish and vaccinate those most at risk of dying, not those with a small risk of catching it. Wait your turn like everybody else
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15/02/2021 14:38:46 7 7
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The rules chosen by the government prioritize vaccine allocations almost exclusively based on age.

Unfortunately, your daughter is young and will therefore be at the back of the queue for most things.
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15/02/2021 14:56:50 12 1
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Who told her that?

Did she receive a letter telling her she was CEV?

If not then she wasn't told to shield, just to be a bit more careful when out and about, hands, face, mask etc. It was all posted on the Govt website all through this pandemic but most took no notice of the guidance.

I'm in the CEV group with chronic asthma, but had to go to work when not locked down faced with covidiots.
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15/02/2021 15:04:34 13 2
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I was told not to shield but to take 'extra care' whatever that involves. But now, I feel like I shouldn't have been so anxious if the increased risk isn't there. Also, the only person I know who has died from Covid, had asthma (as his only underlying health condition) and he had never been hospitalised with it either.
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Well you all argue that it’s not flu so stop comparing it with flu. Having cake and eating it springs to mind. Wait in line with everyone else and stop being selfish
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WAIT YOUR TURN.
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15/02/2021 18:13:19 2 1
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If you have asthma you never needed to shield, unless you have severe asthma. If your daughter has severe asthma and was told to shield then she will be getting the vaccine. No need to complain.
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15/02/2021 14:15:22 16 20
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No doubt people with a BMI between 35 and 40 have been furiously eating even more pies for the last few months to tip them into the BMI 40+ priority group...
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15/02/2021 14:32:06 1 3
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Is it BMI 40 at the cutoff?
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15/02/2021 14:15:52 16 7
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I have been on steroid tablets this year, for the first time in 20 years, after contracting Covid very early in the year. I feel my lungs will never be the same again, have much more limited mobility, and wonder if this type of reaction has been taken into consideration by those making decisions?
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I had the same thing happen to me about 10 years ago after a bout of flu. It took me 5 years to get to a sort of normal but I still suffer the after effects now. Did I have "long flu"? I'm 62, shielding for the last 12 months, yes 12 months, as I am a carer for my Mum, and have asthma which is now under control. I've come this far I will just carry on. I had a feeling I would be pushed out the way
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Thank you to all three of the commenters in this thread (KentTyke, kpkp and Archer) for sharing your experiences and explaining the issue with such clarity. I don’t have anything helpful to say but wanted to acknowledge the additional worry you must be feeling and how poorly the situation has been handled. Wishing you all well.
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What?!?

I have severe asthma. I’ve had the steroid pills but find the high dose of the new type of steroid inhaler work better.

By switching to the inhaler I just cost myself a jab, despite that I also have caring responsibility for my very high risk parents.

Yet we hear that hundreds of the dinghy boys got jabs that I’d paid for with my tax.

They literally stole my jab.

Fair?!
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That’s lead? That has led...
Is the intern writing this?
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Looks like intern journalists are the only way the beeb can keep it's top earners on with reduced TV licence intake. Shocking amount of errors in every article!
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Look 1st of all we have working vaccines within months, then you are in the UK, where 15m have already received their first dose, every adult in this country will have been vaccinated well before the vast majority of your age range or vulnerability counterparts in the rest of the world. Count yourselves very lucky.
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I'd count myself lucky if people stopped spreading this virus and stopped putting millions of people like me at risk of severe long term consequences due to this virus, even if we don't' end up in hospital!!
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Can't believe that people actually voted thumbs down to your comment. How can even the most rabid anti-Tory Labour supporter disagree?
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You lost my attention at "Look".
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15/02/2021 19:04:51 2 1
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I'll count myself lucky when people do as they are told to prevent the spread of the virus, instead of moaning about it.
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15/02/2021 19:41:17 1 1
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Correct my sister in law lives in Montreal and 84 yet there are no signs of the jab as apparently they are short of the vaccine- maybe March if she is lucky
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15/02/2021 14:14:45 17 8
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I am aged 69, have mild asthma controlled by a daily 'preventer' inhaler, and only using a 'reliever' inhaler as required from time to time. Notwithstanding, I was invited a week ago by my health centre to receive my first Astra-Zeneca jab at my nearby vaccination hub, which I happily took up.
Whatever 'policy' might say, it's clear that there is wide local interpretation.
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Yes, I'm 66 and similarly use a daily preventer inhaler and I was texted by my local surgery to book the first vaccination, I had the Pfizer jab on 5th February.
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15/02/2021 14:38:30 1 3
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I’m 64 and 10 months taking daily steroids and auto immune tablets to control my asthma however am now not considered vulnerable. I feel it every time I leave the house. You are so lucky
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"It has since been judged this group is not at increased risk of death."

Fair enough. Vaccinate the at risk groups first.
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15/02/2021 14:31:11 157 98
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But more at risk of long-covid, which means the NHS has to spend more in the long run to alleviate the after-effects. not exactly savvy from a money saving point of view.
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15/02/2021 15:09:39 24 4
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If you could not leave your house without taking four inhalations a day - you would not say that. If you are a young person who cannot run for a bus or walk for any length of time without using a reliever inhaler you would not say that. An asthma attack can occur quite suddenly and cause cardiac arrest.
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15/02/2021 15:27:06 3 12
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Yeah, except those "at risk" groups include groups that aren't at risk, and there's already talk about prioritising non at-risk groups like teachers. The fact the government isn't prioritising asthma sufferers above things like teachers and people with learning difficulties (something which has zero impact on covid outcomes) runs completely counter to what you're saying.
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15/02/2021 15:38:19 6 4
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I agree- vaccinate at risk groups. So why are Special Needs school staff being vaccinated ahead of people with health conditions?
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15/02/2021 15:59:37 1 5
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My friend, younger than me by some years, just got the vaccine . She has 'mild asthma'. I have high blood pressure, which is actually high on the risk scale, but no word of any vaccine for me as yet.
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15/02/2021 21:17:02 0 1
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It's odd how millions of people suddenly got moved down - even more so given that a US study found those who use daily steroid inhalers do have an increased risk of death.
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15/02/2021 14:18:07 3 25
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We all know where this is going.

First response in a pandemic - repay party-donors with billions from Public funds, at cost to our lives and welfare.

Tories vote down protections for NHS in trade deals on deadliest day in pandemic:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/tories-vote-down-protections-for-nhs-in-trade-deals-on-deadliest-day-in-pandemic/19/01/

bozo's your man.
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I hope those that can't stop eating are not in the 7.3m.
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We all must keep eating or we would starve to death.
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15/02/2021 14:41:43 1 4
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Engage the brain, 'bill' obviosuly meant those categorised as morbidly obese who can't stop eating could be in a higher group where as those who had no choice over their condition, such as asthmatics, might be in a lower lower than them. Not that everyone in the coutnry should stop eating and starve!!!
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Look 1st of all we have working vaccines within months, then you are in the UK, where 15m have already received their first dose, every adult in this country will have been vaccinated well before the vast majority of your age range or vulnerability counterparts in the rest of the world. Count yourselves very lucky.
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I'd count myself lucky if people stopped spreading this virus and stopped putting millions of people like me at risk of severe long term consequences due to this virus, even if we don't' end up in hospital!!
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15/02/2021 14:36:23 24 12
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There's no sense of personal responsibility in your statement.

If you practice what you're preaching others should be doing then you're not likely to 'end up in hospital', are you?
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15/02/2021 16:31:05 6 1
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The previous reply was asking you to consider that we're lucky living in a 1st world country. Despite being informed the data doesn't support prioritisation then instead of moaning and worrying, just stay indoors and use delivery and zoom - as you seem to think else you'll end up in hospital. If 65m people could all get the vaccine by now they would have done it.
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15/02/2021 18:44:49 1 4
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get a life
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15/02/2021 18:52:48 1 3
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Yeah, that's not actually happening. It's just your petrified paranoia talking.
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15/02/2021 19:43:27 1 1
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Dramatic much?
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15/02/2021 20:37:48 1 1
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Just stay at home. You'll be fine.
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15/02/2021 20:42:16 1 1
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The vast majority of people are trying their best. The odd few are not. But the virus would spread with or without the latter.
Stop blaming other people and moaning all he time.
Shield if you need to, but stop the blame game.
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Well lock yourself away then and never leave the house if you are that worried. You need food, medicines and infrastructure to remain well and alive so are quite happy for other people to be out working and they will be spreading it regardless of what others do. It's a highly contagious virus, everyone is always at risk, but being alive puts us at risk of all manner of illnesses.
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It's all about keeping people out of ICU's. As long as that happens they can use that as the excuse to open up the pubs.
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15/02/2021 14:21:55 12 7
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The UK's current vaccination policy is focused on reducing deaths. Reducing transmission is a byproduct rather than the goal. So mild or moderate asthmatics, teachers, police etc. are not at significantly greater risk of dieing than their peers. This approach seems to be in conflict with the push to ease lockdown unless we are happy to see rates increase as long as people don't die.
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15/02/2021 15:49:17 6 2
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Not quite, it's primarily aimed at reducing hospital admissions. Vaccination should reduce the number of admissions to the point the health service can function again.
What?!?

I have severe asthma. I’ve had the steroid pills but find the high dose of the new type of steroid inhaler work better.

By switching to the inhaler I just cost myself a jab, despite that I also have caring responsibility for my very high risk parents.

Yet we hear that hundreds of the dinghy boys got jabs that I’d paid for with my tax.

They literally stole my jab.

Fair?!
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15/02/2021 14:18:54 15 20
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It's just so the government can meet their May target. Asthma can go from 'controlled' to life-threatening in minutes. It's accepted that asthmatics are at greater risk from covid but hey-ho, 'just' means we will be clogging-up ICUs because we didn't get the vaccine before the pubs open again...
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15/02/2021 14:28:09 21 6
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Read the article - anyone whose condition is controlled will NOT have a greater risk. Anyone who is considered at risk WILL receive the jab.
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How many more 'prioritised' segments can we identify?
Seems like I'm in a minority in this country as I don't have a recognised affliction!
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I am aged 69, have mild asthma controlled by a daily 'preventer' inhaler, and only using a 'reliever' inhaler as required from time to time. Notwithstanding, I was invited a week ago by my health centre to receive my first Astra-Zeneca jab at my nearby vaccination hub, which I happily took up.
Whatever 'policy' might say, it's clear that there is wide local interpretation.
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15/02/2021 14:23:02 14 1
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The reason you were invited was because of your age not your Asthma. My husband and all my friends in the age droup 65 to 69 years have been called.
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Having suffered acute Asthma all my life (mid 50's now) the clueless NHS managed to completely lose all records of the fact when I last saw a GP (over a year ago, as it's impossible to contact them now).

I don't know about protecting the NHS - I'd rather have the tens of thousands of pound of National Insurance money. The NHS is useless.
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15/02/2021 14:23:21 20 7
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What a miserable dog in the manger comment. Just because you have had a problem doesn't mean the vast majority of people in this country haven't had a good service. The NHS is NOT useless.
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15/02/2021 14:33:21 1 6
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I can only speak as I find.
I can't believe there is any evidence which proves that 'the vast majority' of people in this country have had a good service from the NHS, but would happily stand corrected.

Some, perhaps a minority, have experienced the good service you describe I imagine.

Plenty haven't though, and they're quite possibly the majority. Prove me wrong.
Following the science fiction again BJ?
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Well done - another BBC employee coming on here criticising the country and the government spouting the usual rubbish
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How many more 'prioritised' segments can we identify?
Seems like I'm in a minority in this country as I don't have a recognised affliction!
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15/02/2021 14:24:07 8 2
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Then count yourself lucky.
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And yet perfectly healthy, fit, and young illegal migrants staying in London hotels have already been prioritised and vaccinated last week. This country holds its vulnerable in contempt.
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15/02/2021 14:34:01 29 3
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Any links to show that?
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15/02/2021 14:47:30 15 4
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Looks like it's true, but an isolated incident.

What is important here though is not whether they are "asylum seekers" who cares apart from xeonphobes? they are people who are in the UK and they desrve to survive as much as anyone.

What IS important is that they are young and at low risk compared to vulnerable people waiting, and that's just plain wrong.
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15/02/2021 16:10:46 2 2
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They are asylum seekers being held at London hotels whilst their asylum applications are processed and therefore they are here legally unless and until their applications fail.

Therefore your claim that they are illegal immigrants is untrue.

See https://metro.co.uk/2021/02/13/young-and-healthy-asylum-seekers-getting-vaccine-before-older-brits-14075700/?ito=socialmetrouktwitter.
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Instead of trying to make a story out of nothing why not interview the Whitehall staff making these decisions and report on the basis on which they are made.

We all know that if mild asthmatics were prioritised you would report on the next vulnerable group in line and so on.

Data and facts not scaremongering and hyperbole.

This is why people are cancelling their licences and China banned you.
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15/02/2021 14:24:36 9 13
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Would I be correct in assuming you will refuse the Covid vaccine, think Brexit is good for the UK and Donald Trump was a great President?
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15/02/2021 14:11:26 11 28
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15 million have been HALF vaccinated, 3 weeks after their second vaccination (so 4 months away) they'll have around 65% protection. The virus is now far more virulent. Excessive optimism is likely to see us right back where we were within weeks.
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15/02/2021 14:24:48 6 5
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Why the constant miserable comments on here. Surely you can't all be working for the BBC and their agenda.
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15/02/2021 14:07:05 94 56
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You reap what you sow. Labelling people with very mild symptoms as truly asthmatic was always going to cause a problem. But it helped GPs rake in more money through the QOF incentive.
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15/02/2021 14:25:06 119 6
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"Mild" means it won't kill you, but it's still hard to breathe, or at least that's my experience.

It's far more likely for a mild asthmatic to get a secondary chest infection from cold or flu.

So, it's more complex than that, mild asthmatics may well be at more risk from Covid lung symptoms.

However, I find it difficult to prioritise myself over others at risk, so I'm just waiting patiently.
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You reap what you sow. Labelling people with very mild symptoms as truly asthmatic was always going to cause a problem. But it helped GPs rake in more money through the QOF incentive.
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15/02/2021 14:21:04 21 3
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For your information asthmatics with 2 inhalers are not mild asthmatics but now can't have the jab in group 6.
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15/02/2021 16:33:55 2 6
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Nor are they chronic asthmatics. Or at least their doctor doesn't think so otherwise they'd have put them on the high risk list for the Govt.
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15/02/2021 14:22:37 9 17
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Thank you all Healthcare staff.

Think if we had an honest government.
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15/02/2021 14:47:51 4 1
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what? you havent read they vaccinated 15 million ahead of their stated target?

ohhhh sorry, you just wanted a politicl stab again
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15/02/2021 14:15:04 137 74
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Thousands, like my daughter, told they are vulnerable and get flu jab every year. Led to believe all along that they are classed as vulnerable, many shielding voluntarily only to be told now that they are 'more at risk of covid but not at more risk of dying'
What is that supposed to mean? They catch it easier or get it worse but don't die?
Give them the vaccine
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15/02/2021 14:26:00 149 79
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Whats the problem with your daughter waiting her turn? If she pushes her way to the front of the q because she is paranoid, someone who is much more at risk of dying is exposed. Lets all stop being selfish and vaccinate those most at risk of dying, not those with a small risk of catching it. Wait your turn like everybody else
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15/02/2021 14:32:51 25 14
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she's not paranoid, the point is that people with asthma have been told they are at risk and now they are told something else. They are not told what 'more at risk of covid but not at more risk of dying' actually means
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15/02/2021 14:34:01 10 24
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Spot on Alex.
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JAH
15/02/2021 15:02:10 24 3
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It's not a question of pushing to the front of the queue - people with moderate asthma were in the queue (fair and square) in priority group 6, before being pushed to the back. Meanwhile government advice remains that asthmatics are clinically vulnerable, and studies show that asthmatics are at far higher risk of long-term complications than those without underlying health conditions.
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VoR
15/02/2021 16:28:43 7 2
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You underestimate just how severe some of these conditions are. For example, cystic fibrosis, where sufferers already have significantly reduced life expectancies with lung problems being the primary cause of (early) death. Originally told to shield. Now told don't need to. The data supporting that change is v thin because v few cf people have contracted covid since they voluntarily shield.
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15/02/2021 17:30:41 1 2
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It's not that simple. Is a 50 year old without asthma really more vulnerable than a 49 year old with it?
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15/02/2021 17:35:35 4 3
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You obviously have no idea what it means to be asthmatic. Nothing to do with being paranoid everything to do with lungs that don’t work properly. Personally I am sick of people judging others
16/02/2021 10:54:58 0 0
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100% agree alexmoo. The vaccination rollout has been a huge success. Embarrasing that some sectors of the population are seeking to push themselves to the front of the queue without justification.
16/02/2021 11:39:07 0 0
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I love how you can't even keep to your point within the one comment. Congratulations.
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15/02/2021 14:11:14 11 15
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How many more 'prioritised' segments can we identify?
Seems like I'm in a minority in this country as I don't have a recognised affliction!
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15/02/2021 14:26:40 4 3
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I think you just demonstrated one....
Following the science fiction again BJ?
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15/02/2021 14:26:51 17 10
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Well done - another BBC employee coming on here criticising the country and the government spouting the usual rubbish
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15/02/2021 14:35:01 0 2
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What?
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15/02/2021 14:46:23 1 3
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Why would you accuse this person of being a BBC employee, and by this logic, would you just attribute any comments you didn't like to a BBC employee because it conveniently undermines the poster without addressing the issue?
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Mog
15/02/2021 15:25:12 1 3
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The BBC barely seem to question government actions at all lately as far as I can see. Got any links to articles where they have?
What?!?

I have severe asthma. I’ve had the steroid pills but find the high dose of the new type of steroid inhaler work better.

By switching to the inhaler I just cost myself a jab, despite that I also have caring responsibility for my very high risk parents.

Yet we hear that hundreds of the dinghy boys got jabs that I’d paid for with my tax.

They literally stole my jab.

Fair?!
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The Wokists won't like your comment, because those cross channel migrants staying in 4* hotels are much more important than you. Removed
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15/02/2021 14:14:45 17 8
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I am aged 69, have mild asthma controlled by a daily 'preventer' inhaler, and only using a 'reliever' inhaler as required from time to time. Notwithstanding, I was invited a week ago by my health centre to receive my first Astra-Zeneca jab at my nearby vaccination hub, which I happily took up.
Whatever 'policy' might say, it's clear that there is wide local interpretation.
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15/02/2021 14:25:45 10 1
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I suspect it's because you're 69 rather than an asthma sufferer. Over 65s have been getting jabbed for about a week or two in quite a few places
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15/02/2021 14:26:42 8 24
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Typical conservatives back tracking once again!!!
Goodness me - looks like the Liebour trolls have woken up and got out of bed. Removed
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15/02/2021 14:46:55 3 1
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What have they back tracked on?

It was always on the Govt website that only those with chronic asthma and had been told to officially shield would be in the top groups, not those with mild or easily controlled asthma.

It's asthma UK who have got this wrong.
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15/02/2021 14:13:38 6 6
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Who ?
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15/02/2021 14:28:01 2 3
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Read the article then - he's quoted. Duh!
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EN
15/02/2021 14:18:54 15 20
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It's just so the government can meet their May target. Asthma can go from 'controlled' to life-threatening in minutes. It's accepted that asthmatics are at greater risk from covid but hey-ho, 'just' means we will be clogging-up ICUs because we didn't get the vaccine before the pubs open again...
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15/02/2021 14:28:09 21 6
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Read the article - anyone whose condition is controlled will NOT have a greater risk. Anyone who is considered at risk WILL receive the jab.
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15/02/2021 14:35:58 3 3
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read the post 'asthma can go from controlled to life threatening in minutes'
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15/02/2021 14:37:03 2 4
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Slightly wrong there, it's not "will not have a greater risk", it's "they THINK will not have a greater risk", big difference. There's been no big peer reviewed study on those with mild Asthma and death ratres from covid. It's just a guess and a hunch that it doesn't, which as an asthmatic myself is of no comfort.
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15/02/2021 14:49:39 3 3
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Define "controlled". As an asthma sufferer, mine is "controlled" with a steady rate of steroid inhaler. But, I had Covid early last year, and what started out as a "chest infection" quickly became full blown Covid, and after a week I ended up in A&E. Once my condition started worsening, it was too late to up steroid doses - that takes days to work.

You people know nothing.
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15/02/2021 14:28:40 471 53
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I am 64 and have a respiratory condition but I just have to wait in turn like everyone else. You just have to trust the clinical decisions being made for a little while longer.
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15/02/2021 14:37:43 334 35
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Good for you, I hope you get the jab soon. fed up with what about me me me me people. keep well mate
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15/02/2021 14:37:51 58 6
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Me too, hypertension too, but happy to wait in line for not that much longer!
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cba
15/02/2021 15:26:36 14 7
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It depends where you live my friend has had the vaccine,younger than you with asthma
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15/02/2021 15:25:24 27 63
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Easy to say that, isn't it, considering you are category 7. This government have given us no cause to trust anything they do - UK now has the highest per capita death rate in the world.
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15/02/2021 15:40:19 28 8
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Severe asthma includes those that need inhaled steroids, as far a the flu vaccine is concerned. However, these people are now told that they are don't have 'severe asthma' when it comes to covid.
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15/02/2021 16:00:45 4 17
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So long as they dont vaccinate the police who are mostly young and healthy before asthmatics . Perhaps move to Scotland, In Dumfries and Galloway they are vaccinating 65 and up. I got done last week and am 69 and reasonably healthy with Pfizer no less.
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15/02/2021 18:38:05 0 0
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But you're out of luck if you're an asthmatic teacher (or parent) as they seem determined to open the schools in early March.
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15/02/2021 18:53:35 0 0
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Me too but got my first jab last week.
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15/02/2021 19:04:57 0 0
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Regardless of where people are in the queue the messaging needs to be clear and consistent

1) Asthma UK for months said those with asthma would be in group 4 or 6

2) The NHS still show those with asthma as being clinically vulnerable https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/people-at-higher-risk/whos-at-higher-risk-from-coronavirus/
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Tom
15/02/2021 21:07:09 0 0
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Following the science has led to the UK having the worst outcome in all of Europe despite having extra weeks to prepare for the pandemic. It's utter incompetence bordering on mass murder.
mae
15/02/2021 23:30:53 0 0
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You do realise this is not the clinicians’ decision?
16/02/2021 02:15:20 0 0
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If someone dies from Covid you can be sure the Government statistics will be very quick to point out that they had underlying health problems so I think people who are at risk of dying have every right to point out they have been left off the list.
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You reap what you sow. Labelling people with very mild symptoms as truly asthmatic was always going to cause a problem. But it helped GPs rake in more money through the QOF incentive.
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15/02/2021 14:29:12 17 2
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Only patients who need inhaled steroids and/or oral treatment such as steroids or leukotriene receptor antagonists were going to get the vaccine early. These are not mild asthmatics.
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15/02/2021 14:59:01 12 3
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Many people with "mild" asthma die having an asthma attack. Is there a clinical definition for "mild asthma". I don't think so. Severe or Brittle Asthma is an extreme condition. I have "mild" asthma and ended up in A&E after eating chips in McDonalds with preservative on them. Remember if you can't breathe you have 3 minutes to live ......
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Jim
15/02/2021 16:09:13 2 2
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Thats precisely the point. People on inhaled steroids have been bumped.
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15/02/2021 14:29:39 189 81
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Really annoys me that asthmatics are always forgotten about while other groups go ahead, they should still get the jab at the same time as other groups.
Same with prescription charges, people with type 2 diabettes, who could have got it by lifestyle choices of bad diet and no exercise get it free, asthmatics who have the condtion through no fault of their own have to pay.
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15/02/2021 14:43:12 100 20
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Add to that, that most doctors now refuse to write prescriptions for anything more than a few weeks of inhaler at a time, and the cost really adds up. I asked - I know my condition isn't going away after 15 years - can you prescribe me 3 or 4 months inhaler at a time? Answer, No - we won't do that. So, I have to pay over and over.
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OwO
15/02/2021 14:45:40 9 23
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If the risk is different, why should asthmatics be elevated above someone who is more likely to be harmed? Very selfish.
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15/02/2021 14:48:15 14 39
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Agreed. Type two diabetes is almost always due to obesity. Being fat is s lifestyle choice brought about by poor decisions and an inability to take personal responsibility.

Denying the vaccine to anyone with a BMI over 30 should encourage fat people to change their lifestyle.
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15/02/2021 15:24:44 6 3
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Don’t think anyone has Type 2 diabettes!
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cba
15/02/2021 15:32:44 17 7
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Rubbish type 2 can be many reasons just like asthma and other illnesses not just lifestyle choices
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15/02/2021 16:30:20 5 1
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I see your point, but don't be so quick to judge type 2 diabetics. There's such a thing as maturity onset diabetes in the young (MODY), which is caused by your genetics and nothing to do with lifestyle. I was slim, fit and active when I was diagnosed - it's sometimes just the luck of the draw.
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15/02/2021 16:28:39 1 2
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Don't have to pay in Scotland for any prescription.
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15/02/2021 16:37:04 4 1
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bubs, I don't think asthmatics are being forgotten about. It may seem like we're being forgotten about, but it's probably just that we're further down the property list. Those with severe asthma are being prioritised. Those whose asthma is under control (me, for example) just have to wait. Asthma has such a huge range of severity that the cut-off point has to be made somewhere.
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15/02/2021 17:08:23 6 3
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Utter nonsense. Diabetes is not necessarily a lifestyle choice. Quite often it is hereditary.
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15/02/2021 17:25:12 2 3
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You're not forgotten about, you're headline news.
What you are, however, is self centred.
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15/02/2021 17:28:12 1 1
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Excuse me, who said diabetics get their medication free? I certainly don’t, nor is my inhaler free. Also, I have not made bad lifestyle or diet choices, I just was born with a less efficient pancreas than the self satisfied chocolate guzzling skinny Lizzie among us.
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15/02/2021 17:41:18 0 1
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Type 2 Diabetes is age related as well
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15/02/2021 17:43:46 3 2
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Not all type 2 diabetics have got it from poor lifestyle choices! Educate yourself. There is a family link with even type 2 also and even slim people get it!
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ps
15/02/2021 17:52:30 1 4
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Your selfishness is staggering. Me me me. Wait your turn.
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15/02/2021 18:06:17 0 1
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Get a pre-payment certificate and request 2 inhalers at once and it'll work out loads cheaper. If we didn't have to pay for our asthma medication, the overall cost of prescriptions would have to increase.
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15/02/2021 18:56:07 0 2
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Yes, you're right, this is an absolute outrage. I constantly have to fight for two inhalers on one prescription or have to pay an arm and leg for each one. May well move to Wales where prescriptions are free.
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15/02/2021 19:46:45 0 1
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You manifest your life...ICS used to control asthma are normally produced by body.
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15/02/2021 20:18:32 0 1
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What about bad eye sight? Have had to pay for specs since I was about 19. Prescription charges are free for the over 60s well not free actually. We all pay taxes all our lives so being ill is just a way of getting your money back. And if you are diabetic you will get higher pension if you buy fixed annuities. Bad luck just having asthma ... you need to cultivate something more chronic.
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15/02/2021 14:29:53 102 22
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I've been really critical of the Gov throughout this pandemic but credit where it's due, the vaccination programme has been excellent. I'm very uncomfortable with the various groups shouting "what about me" though. There are arguments for many groups some will miss out.
Ideally the next batch should be allocated on more than health (key workers, people who can't WFH etc) but that's difficult to do
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Jim
15/02/2021 14:44:13 102 21
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Its more about a (very large) group who have been told they are clinically vulnerable, many of whom have been shielding since last March and waiting patiently, being told, a few days before grp 6 starts being vaccinated, that they've quietly been removed from it. Largely on the basis of data taken when most of them were shielding and with other studies showing increased risk of long covid etc.
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15/02/2021 15:27:53 3 2
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Why shouldn't different groups say wish well for themselves? Isn't that the instinct of life?
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cba
15/02/2021 15:29:02 3 5
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If you look deeper its down to postcodes again
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15/02/2021 16:50:53 3 1
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I agree. I am a key worker, 56, can’t work from home, dealing with a steady flow of the public through my office every day (many who have recently been in hospital) and I won’t get my jab for a couple of months yet. Yet a retired asthmatic who can stay at home without risk will get theirs before me. But I’m not complaining as I am just really grateful that we have a vaccine and that I live in UK.
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15/02/2021 16:57:42 1 2
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However if you work in a supermarket keeping the nation fead they are at the back of the line.shame on you all.
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15/02/2021 17:21:23 1 1
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That is because it is being delivered by the NHS.
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ps
15/02/2021 17:53:31 0 1
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Don't get too excited, shortages of vaccine are inevitable.
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15/02/2021 20:31:24 2 1
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This isn't a group shouting "what about me". This is a group identified by the JCVI as being vulnerable and therefore a priority, whom the government have kicked out of the running with no evidence to support their reasoning.
Ask any respiratory physician, get Covid on top of asthma and you're stuffed for life.
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15/02/2021 14:07:20 98 32
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Asthmatic teacher.
I want kids back in school (with me teaching them!)
Can we please at least therefore consider masks in schools like most countries?
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15/02/2021 14:30:15 65 71
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Or they could vaccinate teachers as the high-priority, given that they are people-facing key workers.
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15/02/2021 14:36:30 11 8
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They could.
I however have long given up on teachers being regarded as useful members of society howver.
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15/02/2021 15:18:49 14 8
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omg - BUT YOUR NOT AT HIGHT RISK OF DEATH. So wait your turn with the rest of us.
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15/02/2021 17:02:52 5 6
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How can they be key workers they're not in school
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15/02/2021 17:00:21 2 6
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I so agree with you! Although teachers are not high risk of DYING of Covid-19 (because most are <60 and in reasonably good health), surely they're high risk of CATCHING/TRANSMITTING because:
(i) they need to travel to/from work [often on packed trains if in London] and
(ii) they're in contact with 100s of people every day.
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15/02/2021 18:29:40 8 1
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As someone whoose son who is actually a secondary school teacher and therefore are concerned, I still say it is not sensible or scientific to vaccinate all teachers first. Older teachers and teachers with underlying health conditions are being vaccinated in the first wave anyway.

It makes no sense vaccinating a 25 year old fit and health teacher in front of anyone over 50.
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15/02/2021 19:01:25 5 2
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Teachers have a very low risk of death from CV-19 (weighted for age and health), about 1/3'd of the average, which is WAY LOWER compared to supermarket workers, bus drivers, cleaners (all very high death rates) and even basic office workers.

Given that I cannot see why teachers should be jumping any queue.
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15/02/2021 14:26:42 8 24
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Typical conservatives back tracking once again!!!
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Goodness me - looks like the Liebour trolls have woken up and got out of bed. Removed
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MJH
15/02/2021 14:31:03 4 35
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Workers like police officers are forced to work in covid-threatening conditions every day; sending teachers back into sardine-tin classrooms before vaccinating them is sickening.

But then fifty year olds who have been sitting on the sofa for the past year on furlow are more likely to vote Conservative, teachers much the opposite. This is where the priorities for vaccinating groups have come from.
Usual rubbish from Liebour trolls. Teachers are at no greater risk than any worker. In fact at less risk than people in food processing factories or shop workers. They should get off their lazy backsides and get back to work no matter their politics. Removed
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15/02/2021 14:36:40 3 1
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so you believe a 23 year old teacher is more likely to die from infection than a 50 year old, no matter their political bias?

No, justy wanted a political dig!
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15/02/2021 14:38:57 4 1
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I don’t like the Tory’s. But it is about those most likely to die weather they have sat on the sofa or not. The older you are the more the risk increases. How can it be Morally right to vaccinate a healthy young 24 year old teacher ahead of older age groups. Teachers over 50 will be vaccinated in the priority groups anyway.
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15/02/2021 14:41:10 3 1
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"But then fifty year olds who have been sitting on the sofa for the past year on furlow are more likely to vote Conservative, teachers much the opposite. This is where the priorities for vaccinating groups have come from."

Actually, there was a far greater number of 25 - 44 year olds on furlough by the end of 2020. Are they all Tory voters too? You're talking garbage.
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15/02/2021 15:07:47 0 1
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It's got nothing to do with who people vote for. It is about the risk of them dying or becoming seriously ill with covid. The risk of them being hospitalised for a long period, taking resources that could be used to treat other conditions.
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15/02/2021 14:20:25 314 36
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"It has since been judged this group is not at increased risk of death."

Fair enough. Vaccinate the at risk groups first.
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15/02/2021 14:31:11 157 98
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But more at risk of long-covid, which means the NHS has to spend more in the long run to alleviate the after-effects. not exactly savvy from a money saving point of view.
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Jim
15/02/2021 14:44:54 19 5
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and of hospitalisation.
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15/02/2021 14:49:27 4 37
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We will see. How much of it is imaginary.
As the most likely to get it at all badly and need hospital care, are vaccinated there will be very very few who can make out they have so called long covid.
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15/02/2021 14:49:27 20 5
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Let's save as many lives as possible first. Then save money afterwards.
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15/02/2021 15:12:04 8 6
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Is that true, that your ‘average’ asthmatic has increased risk? The JVCI has stated that asthmatics on regular inhaled steroids may well have a reduced risk.
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15/02/2021 15:58:22 8 1
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Taking inhaled steroids should protect against long COVID. Speak to your doctor about increasing the dose. I am asthmatic and I titrate the dose up when I am starting to get symptoms. (According to international asthma guidelines) The safe dose is usually several times higher than the dose you are recommended to take as a baseline dose when your symptoms are under control.
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15/02/2021 16:06:11 8 2
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Exactly. We are not seeing asthmatics in ITU with Covid. The most vulnerable group with underlying condition are the diabetics. They definitely need priority
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15/02/2021 16:30:45 1 3
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That's a risk for everyone including the fit and healthy
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Ian
15/02/2021 17:03:10 2 4
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Who dreamed up this "long covid" rubbish? What is it exactly

Those who want to cause confusion?

Why do they want to do that?
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15/02/2021 18:21:02 1 2
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Such a shame then that there are asthmatics who believe they are invincible to covid and walk around not wearing a mask...can't have it all the ways.
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15/02/2021 20:11:30 1 1
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its not about Money. ???
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15/02/2021 20:37:03 1 1
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Long Covid is a problem but it doesn't last as long as death.
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Asthmatic teacher.
I want kids back in school (with me teaching them!)
Can we please at least therefore consider masks in schools like most countries?
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15/02/2021 14:31:47 7 17
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Can you please show evidence they work?
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15/02/2021 14:34:47 3 6
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True.
Many years working with children has showed me that many don't work.
Therefore no point trying working with them right?
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15/02/2021 15:26:10 13 8
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There is plenty of evidence out there , that masks do restrict the spread of Covid.
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15/02/2021 17:41:32 2 4
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Come and spend a day at the school I work in if you want evidence, we’ve just reopened after 8 teachers in one week tested positive after a percent sent their kid in with symptoms because she couldn’t cope.
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15/02/2021 14:15:22 16 20
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No doubt people with a BMI between 35 and 40 have been furiously eating even more pies for the last few months to tip them into the BMI 40+ priority group...
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15/02/2021 14:32:06 1 3
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Is it BMI 40 at the cutoff?
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15/02/2021 14:06:43 3 11
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Oh well.
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15/02/2021 14:32:10 4 8
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Asthmatics could die of covid from this decision and that, THAT is what you have to say about it?!? Wow, how lucky humanity is having you on the planet!
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15/02/2021 14:26:00 149 79
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Whats the problem with your daughter waiting her turn? If she pushes her way to the front of the q because she is paranoid, someone who is much more at risk of dying is exposed. Lets all stop being selfish and vaccinate those most at risk of dying, not those with a small risk of catching it. Wait your turn like everybody else
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15/02/2021 14:32:51 25 14
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she's not paranoid, the point is that people with asthma have been told they are at risk and now they are told something else. They are not told what 'more at risk of covid but not at more risk of dying' actually means
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15/02/2021 14:18:07 3 25
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We all know where this is going.

First response in a pandemic - repay party-donors with billions from Public funds, at cost to our lives and welfare.

Tories vote down protections for NHS in trade deals on deadliest day in pandemic:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/tories-vote-down-protections-for-nhs-in-trade-deals-on-deadliest-day-in-pandemic/19/01/

bozo's your man.
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Seems another Liebour troll has dragged himself out of bed to post utter rubbish. The link to a Liebour supporting website means as much as posting a link to the Daily Wail. Read what the amendment was actually going to do - Liebour grandstanding and quite properly voted down. Removed
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Ian
15/02/2021 14:13:52 199 36
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???????? The success of easing lockdown relies upon people taking the vaccine ????????

???????? It's important that the vaccine is seen to be being rolled out in a fair way. We can't afford in-fighting over who gets what and when. ????????

???????? But once it's your turn, get vaccinated. It's not just your future ... it's for all of our futures ????????
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I think that this country has a problem with obesity that we need to tackle.

Maybe this should be incentivised by some sort of fat tax (maybe £100 per month for every BMI point over 30 per fattso - that should clarify things)

Also denying the vaccine to fat people should help to encourage them to keep their hand out of the cookie jar. Smokers/vapers too.
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OwO
15/02/2021 14:44:49 9 8
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How about we restrict the vaccine to "only people who don't go around saying other people shouldn't get the vaccine"?

Seems fairest.
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15/02/2021 14:48:04 11 3
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Certainly the gov and NHS should be focusing more on prevention of things like obesity. That said if 30-60% of NHS staff are not interested in having the vaccine I wonder how the "science" gets done in hospitals.
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15/02/2021 14:50:38 5 7
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and disallow all motor vehicle users too who make it hard on everyone to breath their secondary smoke ?
We could tax the stupid, but you probably don't earn enough.
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15/02/2021 14:51:45 9 11
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I totally agree. They should have their mouth’s stapled shut until everybody else has been vaccinated. Vulnerable asthmatics wouldn’t have to wait for the vaccine if we rolled the fat squad to the back of the que.
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15/02/2021 14:52:57 8 19
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Obesity is often caused by bad sleep, stress, anxiety, and disabilities. Which combine to increase appetite, reduce satiety, and lower Non Exercise Activity Thermogenesis.

Poverty can have a huge influence on many of the causes of obesity, so your "fat tax" is not only stupid (how would it even work? Going to round up obese people and place them on the scales daily?) but just plain cruel.
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15/02/2021 14:23:21 20 7
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What a miserable dog in the manger comment. Just because you have had a problem doesn't mean the vast majority of people in this country haven't had a good service. The NHS is NOT useless.
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15/02/2021 14:33:21 1 6
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I can only speak as I find.
I can't believe there is any evidence which proves that 'the vast majority' of people in this country have had a good service from the NHS, but would happily stand corrected.

Some, perhaps a minority, have experienced the good service you describe I imagine.

Plenty haven't though, and they're quite possibly the majority. Prove me wrong.
There’s stacks going spare in Leicester. Shame the BAME staff of the NHS want this misery to play out even longer, especially as Leicester has never really been out of lockdown at all!

I hope none of them dares to try and claim “psychological trauma” from dealing with this pandemic after refusing to be vaccinated as well.

It’s an absolute scandal...
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15/02/2021 14:40:33 31 7
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Care workers and health workers should not be forced to accept the vaccine.

They should be told that if they choose not to be vaccinated, they are putting other peoples lives at risk and they will lose their job. Their choice.
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15/02/2021 14:48:47 5 9
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Suggesting that their ethnic background predicates their work for the NHS is racist and wrong. Shame on you.
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15/02/2021 14:24:07 42 41
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And yet perfectly healthy, fit, and young illegal migrants staying in London hotels have already been prioritised and vaccinated last week. This country holds its vulnerable in contempt.
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15/02/2021 14:34:01 29 3
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Any links to show that?
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15/02/2021 14:38:25 6 6
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Evening standard 2 days ago
'Hundreds of asylum seekers vaccinated ahead of vulnerable Brits'
https://www.standard.co.uk
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15/02/2021 14:41:56 3 11
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Can you disprove it?
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15/02/2021 14:43:17 6 5
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Testimony from the migrants themselves that were reported on more reputable sites than this.

This from a Sudanese migrant:

He said: “The vaccinations were given to us whatever our age. We didn’t have to pay. We were told to queue up for them at the hotel. None of us want to catch the coronavirus.”
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15/02/2021 16:13:08 3 1
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See https://metro.co.uk/2021/02/13/young-and-healthy-asylum-seekers-getting-vaccine-before-older-brits-14075700/?ito=socialmetrouktwitter. This shows they are NOT illegal immigrants but some were not at risk but offered jabs by local GPs. There is an enquiry but it seems to have been cock up rather than conspiracy and neither government nor NHS policy.
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15/02/2021 14:26:00 149 79
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Whats the problem with your daughter waiting her turn? If she pushes her way to the front of the q because she is paranoid, someone who is much more at risk of dying is exposed. Lets all stop being selfish and vaccinate those most at risk of dying, not those with a small risk of catching it. Wait your turn like everybody else
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15/02/2021 14:34:01 10 24
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Spot on Alex.
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15/02/2021 14:34:13 113 24
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If it's has been found that having asthma and being young is less of risk of death than being over 50+ then I really don't see what all the fuss is about
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15/02/2021 14:51:37 41 9
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Agreed.
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15/02/2021 15:08:43 13 3
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Because there is still an increased risk of serious long term complications with asthma and Covid.

I have asthma and I'm normally pretty healthy, but every chest infection ive had has laid me out for weeks. So I know that Covid will be worse for me.
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15/02/2021 15:31:26 4 2
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Exactly, I mean I'm asthmatic with daily inhaler but I can still do my day to day business, despite what my mum thinks.

I work in the office no problem with spacing and masks.

I go exercise no problem. Those that need the jab will get it because of the yearly asthma review which I answer no to almost all the questions.

I'm not going to die, end of.
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Jim
15/02/2021 16:13:24 8 1
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If thats been proven then great. But this is on the basis of an algorithm (that went well with the exams) using study data taken at a time when most asthmatics were shielding (whether voluntarily or due to getting a shielding letter) or being extremely cautious due to being advised they were a risk group.
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15/02/2021 16:16:17 6 1
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That may be because many asthmatics have been very careful to avoid situations where they’re most likely to catch coronavirus i.e. no meals in restaurants, no drinks in pubs, no shopping in the supermarket, not using public transport
And taken all the recommended precautions i.e. kept 2 metres distance from others, worn a mask, washed their hands thoroughly and frequently
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VoR
15/02/2021 16:22:53 3 1
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Well, you probably need to take into account risk of disability too, although the exact weighting is debatable. For example, if 99 out of 100 asthmatics contracting covid end up with long covid and are then unable to work, it would probably merit bumping them up the list even if they are half as likely to die from it.
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15/02/2021 20:27:41 0 1
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The fuss is a much higher incidence of long Covid in Asthmatics.
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15/02/2021 20:39:11 0 2
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Sorry Mr Logical, you cannot read. I have asthma and I'm 64 and qualify for flu vaccine because I am 'at risk' but not apparently more at risk than teachers and other LOUD groups.
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15/02/2021 20:46:24 0 1
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Have you ever had an Asthma attack and ended up in hospital ?
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15/02/2021 14:34:32 25 17
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I know a thousand people will shout at me about this but it’s probably a sensible step by the govt. I am asthmatic and I have had covid and I was FINE! I know I was one of the lucky ones and this disease seems to be a game of Russian roulette but for the majority of us, our symptoms will be mild even if we have asthma. Severe asthmatics, with an uncontrolled flare up should DEFINITELY get the jab!
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MJH
15/02/2021 14:31:03 4 35
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Workers like police officers are forced to work in covid-threatening conditions every day; sending teachers back into sardine-tin classrooms before vaccinating them is sickening.

But then fifty year olds who have been sitting on the sofa for the past year on furlow are more likely to vote Conservative, teachers much the opposite. This is where the priorities for vaccinating groups have come from.
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Usual rubbish from Liebour trolls. Teachers are at no greater risk than any worker. In fact at less risk than people in food processing factories or shop workers. They should get off their lazy backsides and get back to work no matter their politics. Removed
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15/02/2021 14:38:10 1 2
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I worked at a teachers charity. Never come across such a bunch of snowflakes. No wonder our kids are too.
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15/02/2021 14:31:47 7 17
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Can you please show evidence they work?
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15/02/2021 14:34:47 3 6
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True.
Many years working with children has showed me that many don't work.
Therefore no point trying working with them right?
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15/02/2021 14:26:51 17 10
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Well done - another BBC employee coming on here criticising the country and the government spouting the usual rubbish
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15/02/2021 14:35:01 0 2
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What?
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15/02/2021 14:30:01 4 5
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Good.
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15/02/2021 14:28:09 21 6
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Read the article - anyone whose condition is controlled will NOT have a greater risk. Anyone who is considered at risk WILL receive the jab.
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15/02/2021 14:35:58 3 3
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read the post 'asthma can go from controlled to life threatening in minutes'
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15/02/2021 14:36:01 195 22
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There are always going to people shouting, why not me next!

I am a 62 year old diabetic, but quite happy to wait my turn.
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15/02/2021 14:49:07 149 10
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52 year old asthmatic here waiting patiently with you. Actually, apparently after you now, but still waiting patiently.
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15/02/2021 15:20:31 11 1
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42 year old asthmatic and wife has cardiomyopathy. We have waited this long so we are fine to wait a little longer if necessary
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15/02/2021 15:34:43 5 19
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Of course you are, because it's your turn next, so you only have to wait a couple of weeks. Meanwhile people who are genuinely vulnerable especially to long covid have to wait months because the Tories are pandering to their key demographic in time for the May elections. When you're not in the group the government is trying to put off voting by putting them at risk of course you'll be happy.
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15/02/2021 15:35:09 3 1
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As diabetics you should be in group 6.
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15/02/2021 16:06:51 6 1
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Much the same here...62 and asthma...wondered if I might sneak the 65/69++ group but not now. Oh well, thats fine - in reality its only an extra fortnight or so.
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15/02/2021 17:02:45 3 1
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I am 69 and also a diabetic. I too am happy to bide my time. Just continuing to take precautions as I have done for the last 12 months. Another 3-4 weeks won't matter. Let those who desperately need the jab get one first.
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15/02/2021 17:51:21 0 1
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Me too. Good on ya!
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15/02/2021 18:19:41 1 1
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I received the offer by SMS from local doctor on 5th February and had the jab on Saturday 13th.

AZ vaccine. No side effects other than the usual small lump and minor soreness at the injection site the day after.

Things seems to be going very well in this part of Kent.
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15/02/2021 14:21:45 163 70
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I'd count myself lucky if people stopped spreading this virus and stopped putting millions of people like me at risk of severe long term consequences due to this virus, even if we don't' end up in hospital!!
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15/02/2021 14:36:23 24 12
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There's no sense of personal responsibility in your statement.

If you practice what you're preaching others should be doing then you're not likely to 'end up in hospital', are you?
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15/02/2021 16:01:55 9 3
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Well, hardly. I went to town to get food today and there was a woman dragging around a kid with a hacking cough and another bloke storming up behind me, maskless, coughing his head off. I was masked up but to be reasonably safe you BOTH need to be.
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15/02/2021 14:30:15 65 71
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Or they could vaccinate teachers as the high-priority, given that they are people-facing key workers.
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15/02/2021 14:36:30 11 8
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They could.
I however have long given up on teachers being regarded as useful members of society howver.
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15/02/2021 14:52:42 13 29
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Wanting children in useless masks shows me you shouldn't be teaching
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15/02/2021 14:09:22 18 19
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Instead of trying to make a story out of nothing why not interview the Whitehall staff making these decisions and report on the basis on which they are made.

We all know that if mild asthmatics were prioritised you would report on the next vulnerable group in line and so on.

Data and facts not scaremongering and hyperbole.

This is why people are cancelling their licences and China banned you.
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15/02/2021 14:36:32 7 3
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It isn't a non-story though, many people (myself included) are asthma sufferers who thought we would be slightly higher in the at risk category, and now are told we aren't. Okay, so I may not be at more risk of dying, but it does say in the article that I will be more likely to suffer lasting effects of the virus if I recover, so yes, this article is entirely relevant.
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15/02/2021 15:03:50 2 5
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Then maybe you should follow the guidance on the Govt website where it said you might be slightly more at risk and told you to be more careful and follow the hands, face, mask rules especially when out and about.
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MJH
15/02/2021 14:31:03 4 35
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Workers like police officers are forced to work in covid-threatening conditions every day; sending teachers back into sardine-tin classrooms before vaccinating them is sickening.

But then fifty year olds who have been sitting on the sofa for the past year on furlow are more likely to vote Conservative, teachers much the opposite. This is where the priorities for vaccinating groups have come from.
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15/02/2021 14:36:40 3 1
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so you believe a 23 year old teacher is more likely to die from infection than a 50 year old, no matter their political bias?

No, justy wanted a political dig!
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15/02/2021 14:28:09 21 6
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Read the article - anyone whose condition is controlled will NOT have a greater risk. Anyone who is considered at risk WILL receive the jab.
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15/02/2021 14:37:03 2 4
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Slightly wrong there, it's not "will not have a greater risk", it's "they THINK will not have a greater risk", big difference. There's been no big peer reviewed study on those with mild Asthma and death ratres from covid. It's just a guess and a hunch that it doesn't, which as an asthmatic myself is of no comfort.
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15/02/2021 14:37:16 41 32
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Criticism for the sake of criticism.

Will these less serious asthmatics have to wait 6 months? No as they are fortunate enough to be living in the UK it will be 6 to 12 weeks.

Asthma UK are causing 'needless anxiety'.
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15/02/2021 15:05:11 50 7
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Under 50 year old asthmatics , could possibly be waiting 6 months. And while it is not more likely to kill us it is more likely to do us long term damage.
And Asthma UK have been asking for clarification about this for months. Why has this only announced been now, days before the rollout.
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15/02/2021 14:28:40 471 53
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I am 64 and have a respiratory condition but I just have to wait in turn like everyone else. You just have to trust the clinical decisions being made for a little while longer.
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15/02/2021 14:37:43 334 35
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Good for you, I hope you get the jab soon. fed up with what about me me me me people. keep well mate
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15/02/2021 15:08:19 26 15
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I'm 62 and have "mild asthma". To be honest I knew I would get pushed down the list. The signs were there. Sorry I'm getting old and cynical.
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15/02/2021 14:28:40 471 53
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I am 64 and have a respiratory condition but I just have to wait in turn like everyone else. You just have to trust the clinical decisions being made for a little while longer.
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15/02/2021 14:37:51 58 6
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Me too, hypertension too, but happy to wait in line for not that much longer!
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15/02/2021 14:38:04 32 9
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This is a medical decision - not a political one. If personal circumstances dictate you need moved up the list GPs have that discretion - go speak to one. There's always end of day mop up vaccines available

Far too much minutia and individual concerns in the discussion. Gov't only deals with sweeping social decisions.
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15/02/2021 14:48:12 21 2
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These lists are on the whim of your GP. If he has said you are extremely vulnerable you'll be next, regardless of your condition.
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15/02/2021 16:11:14 12 2
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No it is a political move, up until today asthmatics who take daily steroids were included. Now they are not, the medical condition did not change, the politics did.

By removing this group they get through the over 50s group more quickly with the political win of “opening by Easter”
Usual rubbish from Liebour trolls. Teachers are at no greater risk than any worker. In fact at less risk than people in food processing factories or shop workers. They should get off their lazy backsides and get back to work no matter their politics. Removed
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15/02/2021 14:38:10 1 2
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I worked at a teachers charity. Never come across such a bunch of snowflakes. No wonder our kids are too.
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15/02/2021 14:34:01 29 3
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Any links to show that?
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15/02/2021 14:38:25 6 6
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Evening standard 2 days ago
'Hundreds of asylum seekers vaccinated ahead of vulnerable Brits'
https://www.standard.co.uk
Shocking stuff, thanks for the link.

Add to that over 60% of black NHS workers refusing the vaccine in Leicester and one wonders where the UK is going.
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15/02/2021 14:15:04 137 74
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Thousands, like my daughter, told they are vulnerable and get flu jab every year. Led to believe all along that they are classed as vulnerable, many shielding voluntarily only to be told now that they are 'more at risk of covid but not at more risk of dying'
What is that supposed to mean? They catch it easier or get it worse but don't die?
Give them the vaccine
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15/02/2021 14:38:46 7 7
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The rules chosen by the government prioritize vaccine allocations almost exclusively based on age.

Unfortunately, your daughter is young and will therefore be at the back of the queue for most things.
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OwO
15/02/2021 14:46:47 15 3
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Prioritised (note the s) based on risk, which happens to correlate with age. Young, high-risk people are also being vaccinated. Don't spread misinformation.
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MJH
15/02/2021 14:31:03 4 35
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Workers like police officers are forced to work in covid-threatening conditions every day; sending teachers back into sardine-tin classrooms before vaccinating them is sickening.

But then fifty year olds who have been sitting on the sofa for the past year on furlow are more likely to vote Conservative, teachers much the opposite. This is where the priorities for vaccinating groups have come from.
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15/02/2021 14:38:57 4 1
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I don’t like the Tory’s. But it is about those most likely to die weather they have sat on the sofa or not. The older you are the more the risk increases. How can it be Morally right to vaccinate a healthy young 24 year old teacher ahead of older age groups. Teachers over 50 will be vaccinated in the priority groups anyway.
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15/02/2021 14:19:29 276 31
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Look 1st of all we have working vaccines within months, then you are in the UK, where 15m have already received their first dose, every adult in this country will have been vaccinated well before the vast majority of your age range or vulnerability counterparts in the rest of the world. Count yourselves very lucky.
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15/02/2021 14:39:11 12 12
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Can't believe that people actually voted thumbs down to your comment. How can even the most rabid anti-Tory Labour supporter disagree?
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15/02/2021 14:57:45 9 18
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What makes you think our vaccine programme... started in 2008 when SARS hit is anything to do with either Tory or Labour? Do you think Labour are all anti-vaxxers or something? What the Tories have done is grossly underfunded the NHS for a decade and even demonised junior doctors wanting fair contracts.
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15/02/2021 15:14:33 8 3
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This has got nothing to do with left vs right. Why do people like you have to bring that into it all the time? It doesn’t help!
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15/02/2021 20:35:28 1 1
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You know who voted thumbs down right?
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15/02/2021 14:39:12 3 9
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This article really takes my breath away.
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15/02/2021 14:39:15 17 4
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I had quite bad asthma as a child, was off inhalers pretty much completely till I got Covid and am back on two twice a day now.
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15/02/2021 14:39:29 3 6
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Diabetics were also expecting to be called soon. A lot of the dead were diabetic. Now teachers are being offered vaccines but non-teacher diabetics are still waiting, working from home.
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15/02/2021 14:42:50 8 1
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16- 64 year old diabetics are now being contacted whatever their occupation

Teachers are not being offerred vaccines unless they fall into a priority group
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15/02/2021 14:45:39 2 1
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Teachers are certainly not being offered vaccination at this point.
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15/02/2021 14:51:12 1 1
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Teachers are not being offered vaccines.
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15/02/2021 14:06:18 6 8
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I wish this was known a year ago.
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15/02/2021 14:39:46 7 1
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We didnt even know we'd have a vaccine a year ago!
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15/02/2021 14:40:26 12 15
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Its all me,me, me nowadays isn't it. If it wasn't asthmatics it would be some other group claiming their more important than everybody else. What happened to waiting your turn with patience and gratitude?
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15/02/2021 14:40:27 15 15
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I’m bored of listening to people complaining about why they should be at the front of the queue ahead of everyone else. Wait your turn.
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15/02/2021 14:46:36 12 2
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I get your point but asthmatics know exactly how it feels to be fighting for every breath to survive. More than most people they actually know what they are afraid of. My asthma was made massively worse by lung damage from a different epidemic ( whoopingcough) if they said asthmatics arent at risk that'd be fine but still being high risk but probably survive is not the same. ( Ive had the jab )
There’s stacks going spare in Leicester. Shame the BAME staff of the NHS want this misery to play out even longer, especially as Leicester has never really been out of lockdown at all!

I hope none of them dares to try and claim “psychological trauma” from dealing with this pandemic after refusing to be vaccinated as well.

It’s an absolute scandal...
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15/02/2021 14:40:33 31 7
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Care workers and health workers should not be forced to accept the vaccine.

They should be told that if they choose not to be vaccinated, they are putting other peoples lives at risk and they will lose their job. Their choice.
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15/02/2021 14:53:05 4 7
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Incorrect they are putting their own life at risk,. As yet no evidence that being vaccinated stops virus transmission.
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15/02/2021 14:40:53 40 4
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I'm 33 year old asthmatic and I had the vaccination - do take inhalers but wouldn't say I'm extremely vulnerable even if I did get asked to shield. Never been hospitalised.

There's a lot of inconsistency.
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15/02/2021 14:47:21 15 1
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Health is a fluid concept so it's hard to pigeon-hole someone in to one category or another. Some in your situation will get the vaccine, some won't, it's the nature of the beast. Given the numbers of people being vaccinated, exceptions will always be found as well.
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15/02/2021 16:22:43 4 1
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Yes, in some areas the local health services and Dr's surgeries etc are really on the ball and the various groups got vaccinated quickly, ahead of schedule. In other areas there have been delays. In addition, I know of a couple of cases of people apparently not in one of the 9 groups being offered the jab, presumably due to clerical error. There's a certain element of postcode luck involved.
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15/02/2021 17:53:44 2 1
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Nothing is perfect. The roll-out has been phenomenal. No one is going to have to wait more than a few extra weeks. Be gratefuly you are not anywhere else in the world.
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MJH
15/02/2021 14:31:03 4 35
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Workers like police officers are forced to work in covid-threatening conditions every day; sending teachers back into sardine-tin classrooms before vaccinating them is sickening.

But then fifty year olds who have been sitting on the sofa for the past year on furlow are more likely to vote Conservative, teachers much the opposite. This is where the priorities for vaccinating groups have come from.
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15/02/2021 14:41:10 3 1
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"But then fifty year olds who have been sitting on the sofa for the past year on furlow are more likely to vote Conservative, teachers much the opposite. This is where the priorities for vaccinating groups have come from."

Actually, there was a far greater number of 25 - 44 year olds on furlough by the end of 2020. Are they all Tory voters too? You're talking garbage.