Coronavirus: Plan to exit lockdown 'cautious but irreversible', says Boris Johnson
15/02/2021 | news | politics | 6,171
Boris Johnson says the government will set out its plans on 22 February, which could include target dates.
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15/02/2021 09:48:32 23 22
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Perhaps they could let the virus and all the spreaders know how they feel
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15/02/2021 10:00:37 6 6
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Does anyone think this ^ makes any sense?
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15/02/2021 09:49:02 744 184
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oh PLEASE! Let's not make the same mistakes again. Be cautious and don't do this too quickly.
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15/02/2021 10:01:28 27 108
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End lockdown now and never go back into one. Your health is YOUR problem not mine. Freedom is sacrosanct. By the same token I think you should always be free to lock yourself up at home or dress in a full chemical suit if you wish to.
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15/02/2021 10:02:33 20 45
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when would be ok for you? in 2.5 months the all vulnerable a more vaccinate, r rate will be close to zero (already below 1) ... when would it be ok to get on with living and stop just existing
JDB
15/02/2021 11:37:38 4 11
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If you want to hide under the covers forever that fine but the rest of us need to get on..no one wll stop you hiding away..
15/02/2021 12:07:21 1 7
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The mistakes were made and are still being made by citizens who don't comply. Now we have a vaccine its' time to have our civil liberties restored as soon as possible and not allow the non complyers to keep us incarcerated.
15/02/2021 12:43:10 6 4
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Far too many idiots (well a few really with too much coverage) calling for an end to the lockdown.

Let's follow the examples of Australia and New Zealand on how to deal with this please.
15/02/2021 12:48:21 4 4
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While businesses are dying h or dead........ It comes a point where the needs of the many outweigh the needs of thd few. If a country can't make that judgement call to protect its majority then they shouldn't be in power.
15/02/2021 14:00:09 0 7
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Being cautious IS making the same mistakes again.
Some basics.
Lockdowns kill.
Lockdown 1 has no appreciable effect on the viral spread.
Lockdown 2 had no appreciable effect on the viral spread.
All this is derived from scientists looking at the evidence.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Why is policy being made on the basis of insanity?
15/02/2021 17:05:12 0 1
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They are going to reopen schools look for another surge in May.
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Bob
15/02/2021 09:49:21 1537 174
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Lifting should be based on levels of virus and hospitalisations. Not some mythical date.

Hopefully we get those levels next week.
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15/02/2021 09:58:06 457 670
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you mean something like vaccine rolled out to most vulnerable, r rate below 1 .... targets that have already been met but loads of contingency and further risk mitigation end April?
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15/02/2021 10:00:13 202 53
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Completely agree.

You'd like to think that by May we'd be heading into a similar situation as last summer (face masks, social distancing, small gatherings and shops/hospitality open) but there's no way you can confirm that 2.5 months in advance!!

Not only are there still too many unknowns but doing this would encourage people to relax beforehand and take us into a 3rd wave.
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15/02/2021 10:04:13 79 98
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Shame the same is not being applied to schools re-opening. Though the one thing the gov have done consistently is to be inconsistent with their approach.
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15/02/2021 10:05:52 180 57
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Lifting should be based on all the high risk groups getting the vaccine. No more moving of goal posts. I'm not advocating that everything should be lifted overnight or on some arbitrary date, but we need to start learning to live with this virus. Many peoples lives are intolerable as a result of lockdown.
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15/02/2021 10:08:19 144 76
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These MPs have repeatedly demonstrated they have zero knowledge on pandemics, are happy to act dangerously simply repeating ideas read off the internet and that get them the most Twitter retweets. It's a dangerous way of running things.
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15/02/2021 10:13:10 135 219
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Lifting should be based on the needs of the younger, working age and in-education population. They have already sacrificed more than enough for the old.
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15/02/2021 10:14:38 48 61
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You and the BBC have been suckered by this briefing, the CRG are on Boris' side, they are giving him these niggles so he can show he's a strong leader 'led by Covid science'.
In return the CRG members get publicity as they jostle to further their careers.
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15/02/2021 10:19:01 33 79
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The ever moving covid goalposts! No more excuses. Get things open.
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15/02/2021 10:20:56 53 16
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Or pressure from deliveroo and other companies pushing for another eat out to help out scheme. When I saw that headline yesterday I was so disappointed. It appears that the corporate sector has learned nothing in the past year about how this virus spreads.
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15/02/2021 10:28:10 7 12
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Newsflash
the month of May exists, it is not a myth. You mean an arbitrary date.
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15/02/2021 10:42:03 52 10
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It is the mark of a civilised society that we look after the most vulnerable.

Yet there is constant griping from backbench Tories about opening up because they are all about not caring. 'Survival of the fittest' is their belief ; whilst being the poorest physical and nastiest specimens of humanity. How long would Rees-Mogg last in the wild ?

Let's stop listening (and voting for) these idiots.
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15/02/2021 10:59:53 17 5
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Agreed. Lockdown is obviously starting to have a severe impact on their investments. As always more interested in their wealth than the health of us mere peasants. (Though I do accept prolonged lockdown is having a serious impact on people's mental health - I am not in any way trying to belittle that).
15/02/2021 11:07:16 11 17
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We’ve gone past the point of data.

We played the final vaccine card.

We go back to normal and people live, or we go back to normal and people die.

There is no option to stay under house arrest and print money forever.

If your vaccine doesn’t work or can’t be modified and rolled out as fast as new strains, you and the lockdown fanatics are s**t outta ideas.

You don’t have a backup plan.
jay
15/02/2021 11:11:53 1 11
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Says bbc employee on hys ....
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15/02/2021 09:49:42 24 46
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End it now!
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15/02/2021 09:57:38 17 10
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And end another 100,000 lives. Good thinking NOT
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15/02/2021 09:50:24 12 18
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Good - we need to have all voices in this debate. Yes dont go to fast and put us backwards, but at the same time go as quickly as possible for the rest of us to prevent collateral damage. As the opposition are just nodding dogs to LD then it needs some voices pushing for freedom, otherwise its all one way traffic.
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15/02/2021 10:01:22 11 7
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We don't need voices that are just plain wrong.
These guys are as wrong as antivaxers.
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15/02/2021 09:49:24 1041 214
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Steve Baker shouty calls to end lockdown have been wrong many times in the past so he can be safely ignored now and in the future.
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15/02/2021 09:55:08 781 192
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I wish we had ignored Steve's previous little project, the ERG.
Totally agree, Steve Baker and the swivel eyed loony group should be ignored, they're not medically qualified what do they know about viral pandemics? Removed
15/02/2021 11:21:35 9 16
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Incorrect - This group of politicians could inflict huge damage on Boris if they wanted to and Boris knows it.

But that aside - the vaccination programme must mean something - lead to something, not a perpetual moving of goal posts to justify more lockdown.
15/02/2021 11:23:36 7 21
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Wrong for who ?
15/02/2021 11:30:23 35 7
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It's all well and good for a bunch of MPs sitting pretty and getting paid regardless of what they do, but for most of the population being forced to go into work by bosses who have confined themselves at home, there is no choice. Baker is playing to this crowd quite nicely, all of whom are reaping the benefits of government financial support. The system stinks.
15/02/2021 12:03:01 4 10
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Not sure that the facts back you up on that one. If you look at the negative metrics for COVID like number of deaths, death rate economic devastation, you will see that the side you support are in the top 5 globally for most of them. You need multiple view points when trying to solve complex problems, having a single one of lockdowns has not worked.
15/02/2021 12:22:45 26 2
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"Steve Baker shouty calls to end lockdown have been wrong many times in the past"

It's worse than that, he is lying.

He claimed on the radio this morning that the top 9 groups will be vaccinated before he wants all restrictions lifted (May 1st) they won't, they might have all been offered a first dose. The top 9 groups will be vaccinated 12 weeks later after their 2nd dose (July 24th).
15/02/2021 14:12:09 3 1
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On TV today, Baker stated he wants us unlocked, so we can get out an enjoy ourselves! What a strange man. I thought we could unlock when we had overcome the virus.
15/02/2021 14:33:02 2 1
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Boris was under pressure to “give us our lives back” at Christmas and look what that did!
15/02/2021 15:18:53 3 1
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He is my MP worse luck! Always has been an avid attention seeker, with to much to say for himself.
15/02/2021 15:45:20 3 1
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He's just a nasty right-winger. He doesn't care about anything other than making money for himself and his mates.
15/02/2021 16:49:38 1 0
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He does know the cases in his Wycombe consituency are going ... UP! ???
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15/02/2021 09:50:36 59 40
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For "Covid Research Group", read "Covid Denial Group".
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15/02/2021 09:56:01 37 25
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Nonsense. No one is denying the severity of covid. But what we need and should have had from the start is a thorough Cost/benefit analysis. Lockdowns may work, the may not work. But if they do work and they cause more damage (which they are clearly doing) then the questions must be asked.
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15/02/2021 09:54:00 11 6
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No it’s not. Within that 64 MPs are three qualified doctors a d a professor of immunology.
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15/02/2021 09:59:23 9 6
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They're not denying it, you fool. Read the article. They're saying that it will be safe to come out of lockdown once enough people are vaccinated. They wouldn't be advocating lockdown of something whose existence they denied, would they?
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Joe
15/02/2021 09:50:42 6 8
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As someone who lives in the Forest of Dean where Little Mark is the MP of I just wish that he could focus on the more important thing which is pressuring HE to sort out the A40 between Highnam and Over
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15/02/2021 09:54:01 8 7
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You think the A40 is more important than a global pandemic?
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15/02/2021 09:58:23 3 2
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Yeah, it's mor important to sort out a road than it is to allow people out of their homes to use it.
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15/02/2021 09:50:54 22 22
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How many of these MPs have lost a close relative or friend to Covid.
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15/02/2021 09:52:32 12 10
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I don't know. Do you have this knowledge?
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15/02/2021 09:54:25 1 3
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evidence thanks
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15/02/2021 09:55:52 1 8
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NONE, They are the most selfish ilk in the world.
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15/02/2021 09:57:41 0 1
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Fifteen.
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15/02/2021 09:51:10 1622 268
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The people that want to open up prematurely are the same people that complain if we have to go into another hard lockdown because cases rise too quickly.

Better to do this one properly and make it the last lockdown, rather than opening up too soon and having another, longer, more damaging one again.

The end is in sight!
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15/02/2021 09:57:29 522 1287
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You're missing the point. We don't 'have to' go into a lockdown.
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15/02/2021 09:58:03 82 326
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Or just leave lockdown and refuse to go back into it. Your health is YOUR problem not mine. Freedom is sacrosanct.
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15/02/2021 10:00:44 39 91
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pre-maturely ? when would be right? we are talking 2.5 months away... meaning vaccine roll out will be even further along so all vulnerable vaccinated. R rate is already below 1 across the uk... so by May will be non existent if the same rate carries on for 2 months
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15/02/2021 10:06:28 87 46
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Yes and that requires substantial control on the ongoing risk of spreading the Coronavirus.
It looks possible that everyone over 60 will be offered a jab by April, but 2nd doses will then take up much of the capacity, so it is likely the remaining 21M adults will get theirs at a slower rate.
Trouble is that group contains a lot of potential spreaders, so facemarks and restrictions must remain.
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15/02/2021 10:20:30 5 4
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Really, the same people?
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15/02/2021 10:21:04 17 17
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If they don't open "wrecking the economy", if they do "thinking of money and their chums!". Very easy to be in opposition at the moment and sniping from the sidelines rather than making balanced judgement calls on limited information.
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15/02/2021 10:22:40 22 11
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The only way to avoid lockdowns in the long run is to accept the consequences of the virus spreading (and these consequences should reduce dramatically with the vaccination progress).
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15/02/2021 10:29:21 7 12
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There are people who have had the first jab and are now, weeks later, going sick after testing positive. It's not over by a long way
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15/02/2021 10:40:54 14 18
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Why are you so scared of this virus. Life is all about risk. But suddenly covid has made people are scared of there own shadows. People die that is part of life. Why are we putting life’s on hold for? Were the people demanding lockdown worried about the people dying before covid?
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15/02/2021 09:51:10 31 31
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As long as its safe let's crack on!

Just to out it in perspective, if your male and under 50 you are far more risk of suicide than covid!

Let's reduce the hard. And start leading normal lives again!
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15/02/2021 09:54:46 32 11
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It's not about the risk to you - it's the risk to the person you spread it to. That's the whole point of lockdown.
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Bob
15/02/2021 09:54:51 11 8
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OK that's your personal risk, not what about the risk of others, and what about the knock-on effects from hospitals being full of COVID patients?
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15/02/2021 09:55:14 12 7
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As long as it is safe?
You don't actually think a bunch of I am all right jack tory mp's know it is safe. It's about their shareholders, not health.
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15/02/2021 09:51:11 20 27
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Unless people can look forwards to some easing of restrictions on the horizon, the prevailing attitude will become "what's the point?".

In other words, without some reward for all the restrictions we've put up with, the Government will have "lost the dressing room"
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15/02/2021 09:55:57 24 7
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Are we all toddlers that need a steady flow of rewards for good behaviour, or are we adults who can see the precarious situation we’ve been in throughout this and can see a cautious approach to opening things back up needs to be taken?
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15/02/2021 09:56:57 4 2
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totally agree but i think they lost the dressing room with the farce at christmas, and even going back as far as Cummings Barnard eye test. Their total willy-nilly-ness to every situation has lost a large proportion of the nations trust
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15/02/2021 09:51:17 11 23
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Common sense at last
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Bob
15/02/2021 09:51:26 15 26
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Wanting this to be the last lockdown whilst simultaneously wanting to end it as soon as possible based upon dates rather than the situation is the kind of double-think that you'd expect from the Labour front benches.
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15/02/2021 09:53:04 10 11
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Oh the tory apologist up early to celebrate 116,000 deaths.
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15/02/2021 09:53:19 7 3
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Err... these are Tory MPs (the usual suspects) - not Labour MPs.
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15/02/2021 09:54:48 6 2
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It's the Tories, not Labour.
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15/02/2021 09:56:10 0 4
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It isn't double-think. It's a product of a mindset that values liberty
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15/02/2021 09:55:14 2 2
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Labour? Did you even read the article?
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15/02/2021 09:52:04 45 26
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The medical advice from Tory mp's is available where?
Where is their peer reviewed evidence that is safe to open us up to the pandemic again, with their idiotic, eat out to infect others?
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15/02/2021 09:55:37 25 46
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It's not about medical advice, it's about the freedoms that thousands of British people died for in WWII.

Scientists already acknowledge that the risk to healthy peole of working age or school age (i.e the vast majority) is minuscule
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15/02/2021 09:58:12 5 13
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do you want to le locked up your whole life like an animal ?
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OwO
15/02/2021 10:21:43 1 7
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Have you paid any attention to the vaccination program? In May, there will be barely anyone left to catch Covid.
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15/02/2021 09:52:24 3 11
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At least some clarification on what the likely rules will be so I can plan my rescheduled Wedding from May 2020 to May 2021 would be great - I know we have to be cautious here but if I know what measures are likely to be in place, it would be so helpful.

The uncertainty is difficult to work with.
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15/02/2021 10:00:27 1 5
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The uncertainty is probably death. I would postpone your funeral, if I were you, wedding only when it is safe.
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15/02/2021 10:08:51 1 1
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Ask the virus then..
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15/02/2021 10:10:51 3 1
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I really do get the need for certainty when planning events like a wedding. However, it will be the Autumn before all adults have had their second jab (and enough time has passed for it to take effect), so May 21 seems hopelessly optimistic for the social side of a wedding.
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15/02/2021 09:52:27 197 79
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Why o why are mps in a rush to put us all back to square one are they the only people in this country that can’t grasp that there a pandemic going on they are a waste of air
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15/02/2021 09:54:01 128 162
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They are well aware that there is a pandemic going on,as are you, as am I. That doesn't mean that the current restrictions are proportionate, sensible and necessary.
because we want our lives back, recovery rate for covid is 99.9 percent. in 19th of march 2020 it was downgraded to the common flu. Removed
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15/02/2021 09:58:45 24 27
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You can't destroy the country with the excuse of a pandemic. This is not a dictatorship, we are in a free country!
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15/02/2021 09:59:31 8 7
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its there job. challenge the government and is a good failsafe. I might not like what is said, but id prefer it is encouraged and allowed to be said.
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15/02/2021 10:07:25 10 8
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Money?
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OwO
15/02/2021 10:20:36 18 5
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You know we've vaccinated almost a quarter of the country already, right? There is no square one to go back to - things have changed.
15/02/2021 11:20:52 0 1
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It’s not all mp’s just far right freedom fighters
15/02/2021 20:12:22 0 0
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Those calling for this obviously are backed by deep pockets of self-interest and selfishness beyond all measure. So many #MeMeMe Wannabees all wanting to be In-Charge, to challenge but holding no one to account. We need an authoritarian leader willing to make this happen. Alas we don't have such a leader regardless of the party affiliation. We have too many only interested in themselves.
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15/02/2021 09:50:54 22 22
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How many of these MPs have lost a close relative or friend to Covid.
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15/02/2021 09:52:32 12 10
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I don't know. Do you have this knowledge?
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15/02/2021 09:53:02 17 18
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There seems to be rather a lot of people who actually enjoy lockdown and don't want it to end - both in Government and the public.

But I've no idea why.
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15/02/2021 09:55:22 12 8
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This does appear to be the vibe I am getting from comments on here. Maybe time for the government to start weaning people off being paid by the state. Think too many people happy to keep their extended paid holiday permanently...
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15/02/2021 09:58:34 5 1
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I don't believe your statement is correct, I don't know anybody who wants the lockdown to continue indefinitely. Haven't been in the office for 12 months, stuck at home working at my dining table, limiting contact to protect all, both golf clubs closed, holidays cancelled, local businesses struggling, children negatively impacted by schooling being compromised.
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15/02/2021 10:01:15 4 3
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Try thinking about the words, pandemic and Death
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15/02/2021 10:12:28 5 1
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There are rather a lot of people who don't want another lockdown after this one.
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Bob
15/02/2021 09:51:26 15 26
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Wanting this to be the last lockdown whilst simultaneously wanting to end it as soon as possible based upon dates rather than the situation is the kind of double-think that you'd expect from the Labour front benches.
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15/02/2021 09:53:04 10 11
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Oh the tory apologist up early to celebrate 116,000 deaths.
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15/02/2021 09:57:53 2 1
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I thought the left argued politicising deaths was insensitive and disrespectful to the dead and their families....
15/02/2021 16:07:23 0 0
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You keep posting ever more insane garbage. Are you OK?
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15/02/2021 09:53:05 260 57
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Steve Baker.... now where have I heard that name before? Oh yes, the man behing the ERG who brought us Brexit! Seems to have a lot of power does Steve, or wants a lot.
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15/02/2021 10:20:13 316 50
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Rule of thumb, if Steve Baker wants something, then the sensible approach is the opposite.
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15/02/2021 10:23:02 9 3
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He had power because the ERG teamed up with the Lib Dems and Labour to stop May's deal.
The only way he will have power now is if Labour do it again (oppose for the sake of opposing). I may be wrong but I am hoping Starmer is a bit brighter than Corbyn.
15/02/2021 11:21:36 2 22
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Bitter remainer. AHH diddums.
15/02/2021 12:15:11 6 0
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MP for Wycombe -where the hellfire caves are. Maybe he should pay a long visit.
15/02/2021 12:27:08 5 0
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Sold out the shell-fish industry and wants to do the same for the country
15/02/2021 13:34:36 1 2
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EU vaccine progress, sooo slow!
15/02/2021 15:32:48 0 0
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This so called Covid Recovery Group seems to be led by people who weren't up to the task as a minister. I believe Baker threw his toys out of the pram. Another leading supporter lan Duncan- Smith is perhaps the most ineffectual leader of a major political party in British history. Unless you think Corbyn was!
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15/02/2021 09:53:18 1103 109
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The virus can't read a calendar, so setting dates is pointless. Set target rates for infections, hospitalizations, deaths and so on, and be lead by the data.
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15/02/2021 09:59:38 450 796
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The Lockdown camp have all the emotional ammunition (expertly fired by the BBC btw) to justify their case just now.
But give it a year, when the harsh realities of what we have inflicted upon ourselves (particularly the human toll) come home to bite; things will look a little different.
That, and the fact that it made little difference, and a lot of the world we knew, isn't coming back at all.
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15/02/2021 10:06:32 27 17
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But you have not mentioned the vaccine , which unlocks all of this . Vaccine roll out and relaxation of restrictions go hand in hand
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15/02/2021 10:06:46 47 87
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The NHS employs 1.2M people and on an average year sees 18 million patients. Covid patients in the last 12 months totalled 440k, so 2.5%. How were they in danger of being over run exactly?
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15/02/2021 10:17:06 31 12
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I hate these sayings!

The virus can’t read a calendar. Or the virus doesn’t care about your race. Or any other similar rambling we hear and read being peddled.

The virus doesn’t care about lockdowns. Or vaccines. Or hand washing.

The virus doesn’t care at all!!
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OwO
15/02/2021 10:19:55 26 16
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Vaccination dates can though, and we can comfortably predict when the most vulnerable will have been vaccinated.

Stupid soundbites about vaccines reading calendars don't matter, this is in our control now.
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15/02/2021 10:21:54 26 9
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Well no. Without dates businesses can't operate. If business and organisations can't operate, neither can society. They can operate with rules to an extend, but not arbitrarily changing rules as has been done. In the end, people's health suffers if work and business ceases to function effectively.
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15/02/2021 10:53:48 5 4
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As long as it is by actual data and not flawed models which is so much of what we have had in the last 12 months
15/02/2021 11:12:07 4 8
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It can't read a calendar but it can read infection rates, hospital numbers and death rates?
You spout pointless rhetoric, conflate differing items and add data at the end to sound 'scientific' and deeply caring.
Don't pick roses, you can get tetenus off them, on fact, let's lock the roses down and kill them with fire, because the old folk in care homes!
15/02/2021 11:17:14 2 0
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By that argument any numerical target is meaningless.
We need targets to focus attention.
Quite normal...
15/02/2021 11:49:54 0 1
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A car can't read a road signm, therefore having speed limits is pointless.
15/02/2021 12:02:03 0 0
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That's strange because the virus can tell the time, when we have curfews... so all these variants have made the virus dumb?
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Bob
15/02/2021 09:51:26 15 26
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Wanting this to be the last lockdown whilst simultaneously wanting to end it as soon as possible based upon dates rather than the situation is the kind of double-think that you'd expect from the Labour front benches.
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15/02/2021 09:53:19 7 3
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Err... these are Tory MPs (the usual suspects) - not Labour MPs.
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Bob
15/02/2021 09:56:29 2 6
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That's what I am saying - this is coming from the Tories, yet is the stereotypical Labour way of thinking.
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15/02/2021 09:53:21 747 65
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2 things matter. Are the vulnerable vaccinated & are hospitals coping. Whether it's march, may or July we must end lockdown when both are true
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15/02/2021 10:09:01 474 214
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and are people still dying? I would have thought that might be important too.

Unless we reduce the total number of cases SUBSTANTIALLY there is a high risk that the virus will mutate and put us back to square 1.
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DPG
15/02/2021 10:37:05 20 5
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They are the most important criteria but not the only factors. We have seen already that more infections, regardless of vulnerability, means greater chances of dangerous mutation. Just worth bearing in mind.
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15/02/2021 10:40:38 17 35
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So only around half a million of the 15 million of the most vulnerable people, or less than 1% of the adult population have been fully vaccinated i.e. two doses of the vaccine Therefore a long way to go until everyone has been vaccinated, August or September rather than April or May
Otherwise if we reopen too soon cases and deaths will again increase to unacceptable levels
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15/02/2021 10:41:07 13 4
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local news here in Cumbria is reporting not all over 70's have received their jab because of vacine shortages. so the 2 things mentioned do not yet seem to be complete
15/02/2021 11:01:40 27 30
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The hospitals have cried wolf every year for the last 20.
They probably will never cope. We can't use that as a criteria.
JDB
15/02/2021 11:32:34 3 4
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The vulnerable have been vaccinated, the top four groups, and the hospitals have never been in danger..1st of May get the UK opened up..However, keep the numbers coming in and out of airports down..Anyway the aviation industry says it needs at least 12 weeks notice to get pilots back up to scratch and planes grounded for a year serviced, safe and ready..flights can resume in July...
15/02/2021 11:42:51 1 3
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Not being vulnerable doesn't make you expendable
15/02/2021 11:45:06 2 9
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We also want to avoid the virus mutating and becoming vaccine resistant. Opening when all adults have been offered the vaccine, when cases are low enough to properly track and trace (given how bad Serco track and trace is I would suggest single figures) and when deaths from COVID are no longer happening will make it likely that this will be the last lockdown and the economy will recover.
15/02/2021 11:55:09 3 4
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No. Vaccination is completely pointless unless 70%+ are vaccinated (vulnerable or otherwise) AND infection rates are below R=1.

At that point, future outbreaks will be contained.

List to early just because the 25% most vulnerable have had their 1st vaccination and it'll be 2020 summer->winter all over again.
15/02/2021 12:00:06 9 4
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What if hospitals report they are never coping and despite all the vaccinations of the vulnerable the low efficacy rate or mutations means many still get ill? Do we stay in lockdown forever? Someone has to put an end date to all this lunacy and paranoia. The cure is already far worse than the decease.
15/02/2021 12:08:43 2 6
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15M have been HALF vaccinated, 3 weeks after second vaccination they'll have around 65% protection. The virus is now far more virulent. Excessive optimism is likely to see us right back where we were within weeks.
MVS
15/02/2021 12:12:14 2 0
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Both of which seem already to be evidentially true
15/02/2021 12:20:38 1 1
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Remove the bucket from your head.
15/02/2021 12:31:42 2 1
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2 things that matter.... Pubs and holidays! :-)
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15/02/2021 09:53:25 10 12
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With this populist government in charge it's usually a case of who shouts loudest, so watch this space. Be a free for all in May, lockdown in June
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15/02/2021 09:56:41 4 4
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Very true - it's always been about politics and not public health - and that's why (comparatively) the UK has come out of COVID with the highest death rate in the world save for a handful of countries.
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15/02/2021 09:53:26 445 181
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Can't believe my safety is in the hands of all the idiots that are chomping at the bit to get to the pub and party like a an animal, again!
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15/02/2021 09:57:50 316 432
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Seriously??? Your safety is in your own hands, you stay hiding behind the sofa whilst the rest of us get on with our lives
Just stay home if you're scared of the sniffles. Removed
Its not! You're safety is in YOUR OWN HANDS!
As it should be for everyone.

Stop wishing away your personal rights and freedoms so big daddy government can keep you safe you cuck.
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15/02/2021 10:04:30 76 68
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Your health is YOUR problem not mine I want freedom which I feel is sacrosanct back. You should also be free to wear a full chemical suit / lockdown at home forever and so on if you wish.
659
15/02/2021 10:33:22 27 23
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How self centred people don't necessarily want to go to the pub or have parties they want to be able to earn a living feed their families and have a normal life. How about you and your blinkered lockdown supporters stay in your houses forever and those of us who will be paying taxes to keep the country going are allowed to get on with doing so.
774
15/02/2021 10:41:23 8 6
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The once great British public voted them in and then the elitist blue rinse brigade voted Johnson as their leader. How the history books decades from now will interpret that as going in the right direction is beyond me.
824
15/02/2021 10:44:47 3 6
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Unfortunately you are absolutely right.
15/02/2021 11:59:38 0 7
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I would suggest that if you decline to have the vaccine, your should be put at the bottom of the list for hospital treatment. That couldhelp ease pressure on the NHS and improve government income via the inheritance tax.
15/02/2021 13:04:23 2 2
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Shane, if you have been scared witless by the Governemnt and media this last year, and it does sadly look like you have, then you are perfectly welcome to stay at home for your own safety for the rest of your life
15/02/2021 14:29:27 2 0
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It need not be so dramatic a change - open things up slowly - not everyone is interested in pubs and parties!!
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15/02/2021 09:51:41 40 16
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Covid Research Group? I hope they do more research than the European Research Group ever did. ??
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15/02/2021 09:56:18 31 8
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Unlikely as Steve Baker is behind both of them.
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15/02/2021 09:58:52 0 6
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Recovery group. Learn to read.
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15/02/2021 10:40:58 1 0
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You can be sure they are reclaiming their membership fees from the taxpayer, for these so called groups.
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15/02/2021 09:53:04 19 25
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End the lockdown madness now.
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15/02/2021 09:59:12 5 5
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Tell that to the families of the 116000 dead, just so you can have a pint at the pub
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15/02/2021 10:08:46 0 1
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Stop tories killing more people NOW!!
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15/02/2021 09:53:53 15 20
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Terrible lasting damage has been done to millions of people through a year of lockdown. Time to end it now
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15/02/2021 09:58:20 5 4
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Hundreds of thousands of lives have been saved by lockdown so you need to come up with a balanced and rational argument.
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15/02/2021 09:58:35 3 2
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Tell that to those that died needlessly just so a few idiots could get to the beach and the pub
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15/02/2021 09:54:00 11 13
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I am sure there are a group of MPs who still believe the Earth is flat
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15/02/2021 09:55:49 0 2
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3 are doctors and one has a degree in immunology. But you tell yourself what you want.
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15/02/2021 09:56:16 0 1
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I am sure you couldn't name a single one of this imaginary group.
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15/02/2021 10:08:12 0 1
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tory back benchers
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15/02/2021 09:52:27 197 79
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Why o why are mps in a rush to put us all back to square one are they the only people in this country that can’t grasp that there a pandemic going on they are a waste of air
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15/02/2021 09:54:01 128 162
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They are well aware that there is a pandemic going on,as are you, as am I. That doesn't mean that the current restrictions are proportionate, sensible and necessary.
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15/02/2021 10:22:56 5 5
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Yes. Yes it does, actually.
15/02/2021 12:17:11 1 1
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You're right - they are still far too lax.
15/02/2021 12:35:40 1 0
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Yes it does as any sensible caring person would see after the past year.
15/02/2021 12:44:31 1 2
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Despite a wealth of evidence showing that restrictions are in fact working.
15/02/2021 20:18:17 0 0
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That doesn't mean that current restrictions are not proportionate, sensible and necessary either. In real terms they are if they are rigidly followed by all, rigidly enforced when they are not. I worked in China back in the 90s and definitely agree that it takes an authoritarian regime and time to get this pandemic under control. Way too many are impatient and such a regime keeps them in check.
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Joe
15/02/2021 09:50:42 6 8
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As someone who lives in the Forest of Dean where Little Mark is the MP of I just wish that he could focus on the more important thing which is pressuring HE to sort out the A40 between Highnam and Over
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15/02/2021 09:54:01 8 7
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You think the A40 is more important than a global pandemic?
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15/02/2021 09:54:06 15 16
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Please note the crg clowns (and their no deal walk away now cultists) made two predictions in November. Brexit will be frictionless trade and successful and covid was over the peak. They are not believable entities. Swivel eyed far right loons
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15/02/2021 09:50:54 22 22
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How many of these MPs have lost a close relative or friend to Covid.
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15/02/2021 09:54:25 1 3
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evidence thanks
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15/02/2021 09:54:34 15 8
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Hot air from the Tory Back Benches ?
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15/02/2021 10:00:59 0 1
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More hot air
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15/02/2021 09:51:10 31 31
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As long as its safe let's crack on!

Just to out it in perspective, if your male and under 50 you are far more risk of suicide than covid!

Let's reduce the hard. And start leading normal lives again!
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15/02/2021 09:54:46 32 11
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It's not about the risk to you - it's the risk to the person you spread it to. That's the whole point of lockdown.
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Bob
15/02/2021 09:51:26 15 26
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Wanting this to be the last lockdown whilst simultaneously wanting to end it as soon as possible based upon dates rather than the situation is the kind of double-think that you'd expect from the Labour front benches.
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15/02/2021 09:54:48 6 2
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It's the Tories, not Labour.
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Bob
15/02/2021 09:54:48 4 10
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After everyone over 50 has had the jab then one week later?

The hospitals will still be full without Covid.
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15/02/2021 09:56:19 3 3
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Huh?? full with what, no-one has ever been ill before Covid have they?
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15/02/2021 09:51:10 31 31
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As long as its safe let's crack on!

Just to out it in perspective, if your male and under 50 you are far more risk of suicide than covid!

Let's reduce the hard. And start leading normal lives again!
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Bob
15/02/2021 09:54:51 11 8
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OK that's your personal risk, not what about the risk of others, and what about the knock-on effects from hospitals being full of COVID patients?
I CALL FOR BORIS TO RECEIVE A KNIGHTHOOD!!!!

REPLY IF YOU AGREE!!!!

HE DESERVES MORE BORISPECT (HAHAHA)
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE SO, YOU ARE A GREAT SUPINE PROTOPLASMIC INVERTEBRATE JELLY!

SIR BORIS IS MY HERO!!

#Borispect
#Borini
#HavesomeTEE
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15/02/2021 09:57:33 0 2
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#JUNYA
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15/02/2021 10:07:29 0 1
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Tory apologist happy with 116,000 deaths.
Keep taking the pills, but double the dose and the hallucinations might stop
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15/02/2021 09:55:04 324 20
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An assessment of statistics not an arbitrary date please MPs
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OwO
15/02/2021 10:16:24 100 170
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You mean the sort of statistics that show how, by the date they're asking, most of the country and all at risk groups will have been vaccinated? Almost as if it's not arbitrary at all.
15/02/2021 13:21:06 3 0
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Too many lies have been fed to us using statistics collected in incorrect manners. Feeding raw statistics without processing them properly. You know what they say... lies damn lies.....
15/02/2021 18:53:01 0 0
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The govt has access to statisticians able to use the mountains of available data to forecast when critical metrics are likely to be met. They should be sharing possibilities honestly.
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15/02/2021 09:49:24 1041 214
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Steve Baker shouty calls to end lockdown have been wrong many times in the past so he can be safely ignored now and in the future.
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15/02/2021 09:55:08 781 192
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I wish we had ignored Steve's previous little project, the ERG.
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15/02/2021 09:59:04 94 15
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He does have a knack of getting everything wrong!!
15/02/2021 11:18:04 10 49
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AHH diddums.
15/02/2021 11:21:51 75 7
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Both groups similarly misnamed.
Very little research into how Europe works, or what we would do outside of the EU from the ERG.
And no actual plan for recovery from Covid from the CRG.
Increasing infections is not a route to recovery.
15/02/2021 11:59:44 17 1
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Indeed. How much damage can one man's strops and delusions do?
15/02/2021 11:59:53 23 4
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Totally agree. But if you are foolish on one subject it stands to reason you're foolish on many. This twerp just wants to feel relevant, much the same as Farage with his ridiculous Reform Party.
15/02/2021 12:07:34 5 24
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The ERG made sure we had a proper Brexit, not a BRINO.
15/02/2021 12:50:35 1 4
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Why have you suffered . Doubt it hardly anything has changed mr lineker..another tired worn out record being played get a life
15/02/2021 13:19:27 0 4
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Should have made sure people voted against Brexit then. Even in the Dec 2019 general election, when the Lib Dems promised to stop Brexit if elected, barely anyone voted for them. Only 16m needed to.

So a Lib Dem govt must be even worse than Brexit. Noted for the future.
15/02/2021 13:31:03 1 4
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EU vaccine progress!!
15/02/2021 14:12:02 2 2
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Agree we should of done what we did to Mosley and rounded up the Bakers , Farage, Bank, Reese Mogg in a nice safe cell or a very small island only impacting themselves. Shame we couldn't ban self absorbers and weak men like Boris and Clegg from entering politics.
15/02/2021 14:41:31 3 1
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It's probably best to ignore Steve Baker and all his pals in the CRG and ERG. Their judgement has been proved to be seriously flawed and as for original thinking? To have two groups with only the first word changed shows a complete lack of ability for innovative thinking
15/02/2021 22:30:25 0 0
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Then we wouldn't have had a way out of this yet. We would still be at the mercy of the EU to grant us a few meagre vaccines, rather than getting 15 million jabbed inside 10 weeks. 3 Cheers for Brexit. !!
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15/02/2021 09:51:10 31 31
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As long as its safe let's crack on!

Just to out it in perspective, if your male and under 50 you are far more risk of suicide than covid!

Let's reduce the hard. And start leading normal lives again!
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15/02/2021 09:55:14 12 7
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As long as it is safe?
You don't actually think a bunch of I am all right jack tory mp's know it is safe. It's about their shareholders, not health.
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15/02/2021 09:55:15 10 15
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Tori Sc**! Demanding lockdown to end! How dare you! Have you heard the scientific advise, mutations are getting more and more dangerous! How dare you. Name and Shane yourselves you cowards.
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15/02/2021 09:57:11 1 1
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Which mutations are more dangerous?
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15/02/2021 10:00:11 0 1
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Stay home if you're scared of the sniffles.
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15/02/2021 10:01:04 0 1
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Shut up......
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15/02/2021 10:02:53 0 1
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Grow up you sound like a psychopath
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15/02/2021 10:04:30 0 1
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Wow you really are a proper brainwashed ProjectFear Disciple aren't you, keep hiding under that duvet and never come out EVER EVER again or the bogey man will get you, pathetic
15/02/2021 16:26:10 0 0
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You sound crazy my dear.

But at least the lockdown keeps people like you locked in so there are some benefits.
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15/02/2021 09:55:15 15 13
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I don't think a date can be set now.

We have to wait until at least the over 50s and those with medical conditions have been given their jabs. Then some restrictions can be eased.

Maybe wait until the vulnerable have had their second jabs and the rest of the adult population their first before we lift restrictions altogether.

We can't have restrictions forever.
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15/02/2021 10:01:59 3 11
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No, we need to lift maximum lockdown NOW and re-open shops and restaurants.
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15/02/2021 10:03:11 0 2
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maybe, possibly, potentially, could be, might be, the chance of, the risk of..................this is all we've heard all the way through this
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15/02/2021 10:14:29 1 1
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Maybe we can do some easing, but it will still be far too soon to lift all restrictions. It will be the Autumn before everyone has been offered a 2nd jab and the time has passed for it to be effective in the final groups.
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15/02/2021 09:53:02 17 18
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There seems to be rather a lot of people who actually enjoy lockdown and don't want it to end - both in Government and the public.

But I've no idea why.
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15/02/2021 09:55:22 12 8
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This does appear to be the vibe I am getting from comments on here. Maybe time for the government to start weaning people off being paid by the state. Think too many people happy to keep their extended paid holiday permanently...
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15/02/2021 09:52:04 45 26
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The medical advice from Tory mp's is available where?
Where is their peer reviewed evidence that is safe to open us up to the pandemic again, with their idiotic, eat out to infect others?
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15/02/2021 09:55:37 25 46
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It's not about medical advice, it's about the freedoms that thousands of British people died for in WWII.

Scientists already acknowledge that the risk to healthy peole of working age or school age (i.e the vast majority) is minuscule
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15/02/2021 09:59:34 14 2
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Seriously? World War II? Again??
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Bob
15/02/2021 10:05:05 6 3
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The people who died in that war already went through a pandemic. One deadlier than this. One with stricter measures than this. Go view the photos of the signs saying you could land yourself in jail for not abiding by the rules, not using a mask.
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15/02/2021 10:29:20 3 0
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Yes, it is. It is about medical advice.
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15/02/2021 09:55:43 9 12
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When asking for your lives back is seen as some enormous act of rebellion you realise how broken we've become.

We test approx 1/2 a million a day and find approx 15,000 cases using a test stated by the Lancet to have a false positive rate of between 0.8 and 4%

The levels of the virus are now similar in most places to that seen last summer. We should be opening up now. Especially for kids
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15/02/2021 10:28:23 0 0
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You speak of asking for our lives back as if it was something the government could just give us. Just maintaining their public profile is what these guys are about.
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15/02/2021 09:50:54 22 22
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How many of these MPs have lost a close relative or friend to Covid.
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15/02/2021 09:55:52 1 8
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NONE, They are the most selfish ilk in the world.
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15/02/2021 09:55:55 476 174
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Someone should remind those Tories what happened the last times when everyone rushed out to stuff their faces with cheap food or buy Xmas turkeys...
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15/02/2021 10:07:08 187 410
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You sound like a real fun person!
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15/02/2021 10:12:04 19 27
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By May (2.5 months away) the vaccination program will have vaccinated all vulnerable people and more. The R rate will be further reduced, currently less than 1, hospital admissions will be further reduced (this is hand in hand with R rate) . Mortality will be reduced even further (vulnerable vaccinated). What is it that you want so that we can live again and do more than exist?
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15/02/2021 10:24:56 17 14
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Agreed but some of them are demanding the same route out of the pandemic. I'll never forget the Chancellor acting as a waiter, carrying trays of food to customers tables with no face covering in place.
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15/02/2021 10:38:35 23 11
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No socialists bought a turkey then?
15/02/2021 11:22:10 10 26
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Socialism..... only works when you preface any statement with 'if'. Never worked and it never will
15/02/2021 12:12:42 0 8
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Somebody should remind Labour that they cannot sit on the fence and carp, instead of offering a policy, to win voters over.
15/02/2021 12:16:53 2 5
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Oh you must mean when we wanted to give the children the best Christmas ever because they had been through so much
15/02/2021 12:17:50 1 1
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No one rushed out for Christmas Turkeys, supermarkets are/where open as usual.
15/02/2021 12:32:36 1 2
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What happened? Everyone had a good time and life goes on for the unlucky ones..
15/02/2021 14:10:27 0 0
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especially with so many turkeys having bird flu
15/02/2021 14:32:47 0 1
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Christmas was cancelled you clown
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15/02/2021 09:51:11 20 27
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Unless people can look forwards to some easing of restrictions on the horizon, the prevailing attitude will become "what's the point?".

In other words, without some reward for all the restrictions we've put up with, the Government will have "lost the dressing room"
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15/02/2021 09:55:57 24 7
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Are we all toddlers that need a steady flow of rewards for good behaviour, or are we adults who can see the precarious situation we’ve been in throughout this and can see a cautious approach to opening things back up needs to be taken?
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15/02/2021 09:50:36 59 40
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For "Covid Research Group", read "Covid Denial Group".
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15/02/2021 09:56:01 37 25
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Nonsense. No one is denying the severity of covid. But what we need and should have had from the start is a thorough Cost/benefit analysis. Lockdowns may work, the may not work. But if they do work and they cause more damage (which they are clearly doing) then the questions must be asked.
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15/02/2021 09:59:32 14 8
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Isn't it funny how the people calling for a cost / benefit analysis of covid restrictions were against a cost / benefit analysis of Brexit?
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15/02/2021 10:06:21 5 7
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They clearly don't work and they cause untold misery and suffering-end lockdown now!
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15/02/2021 10:11:52 6 4
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Ok how much is a human life worth? In financial terms? When it comes to saving the lives of your nearest and dearest what is the point at which you’d say no that is too much, let them die?
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15/02/2021 10:33:05 2 2
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That's an interesting use of the word "clearly" there.
15/02/2021 12:30:33 1 0
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What £number do you put against each of 110,000+ lives lost in your equation?
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15/02/2021 09:56:03 42 18
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Are they really stupid? We’re in the current mess because elements of shutdown ended too early last year. As a shielder I’m in lock UP number 2 and I don’t want a 3rd time ‘lucky’.
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15/02/2021 10:02:02 8 32
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Once you're 'vaccinated' Lynn you'll be fine IF the 'vaccine' actually works that is
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15/02/2021 10:20:48 5 0
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Yes................really really stupid
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15/02/2021 09:56:06 13 13
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Johnson doubled the death count by his reckless lack of leadership before Xmas with his obsession of “boris saves Xmas” headlines. It’s now “boris saves Easter” as he looks to cave again.

Our daily infections are higher than annual infections for 140 countries. Yes it’s come down from plague pit to mind numbing dangerous, but we need proper leadership or back into lockdown by September again
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OwO
15/02/2021 10:06:21 1 1
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"Our daily infections are higher than annual infections for 140 countries."

Our population is also probably 20+ times theirs. Funny how you criticise soundbites before throwing out your own, even-more-useless ones.

Sad political posturing.
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15/02/2021 10:00:37 0 1
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You know this, do you? lol.
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15/02/2021 10:08:15 0 1
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I’m guessing the 10 down votes are the shills sent out by the 77th to get their warped ideology out there.
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Bob
15/02/2021 09:51:26 15 26
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Wanting this to be the last lockdown whilst simultaneously wanting to end it as soon as possible based upon dates rather than the situation is the kind of double-think that you'd expect from the Labour front benches.
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15/02/2021 09:56:10 0 4
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It isn't double-think. It's a product of a mindset that values liberty
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15/02/2021 10:06:52 1 1
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Yeah we know. The liberty of the privileged.
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15/02/2021 09:51:41 40 16
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Covid Research Group? I hope they do more research than the European Research Group ever did. ??
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15/02/2021 09:56:18 31 8
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Unlikely as Steve Baker is behind both of them.
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Bob
15/02/2021 09:54:48 4 10
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After everyone over 50 has had the jab then one week later?

The hospitals will still be full without Covid.
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15/02/2021 09:56:19 3 3
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Huh?? full with what, no-one has ever been ill before Covid have they?
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15/02/2021 09:56:21 27 17
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Here we go again.

60 Tory MP of the CRG wanting to make unilateral decisions and ignore any science. Just like the anti-vax brigade they should be banned from comment.
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15/02/2021 10:00:06 3 3
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Lockdown restrictions are a political decision. Science can only give data. It's up to politicians to decide what to do with that data.
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15/02/2021 10:04:38 0 5
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EXACTLY! We should all be locked up forever! Its clear the world just isnt safe anymore!
Please daddy government help me!
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OwO
15/02/2021 10:04:48 1 4
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On what "scientific" basis do you want to lock down a country in which almost half the people (by May) and all the groups at risk, are vaccinated?

Get your own facts in order first.
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15/02/2021 09:56:23 67 23
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How did this government not have a defined viral pandemic plan? They didn't need to know it would be COVID-19, just any coronavirus outbreak. It's been talked about as a major threat for years!

They're just making it up as they go along.
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15/02/2021 10:05:45 7 2
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They can do what they want it seems. No one bats an eye at their incompetence.
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15/02/2021 10:06:52 10 3
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Exercise Cygnus was a defined viral pandemic plan but they ignored it totally, which is why there was no PPE for a start.
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15/02/2021 10:45:50 2 3
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There was a plan and we followed it adapting it as we went along. We might have started dinner if somebody identified Covid-19 a little sooner.
15/02/2021 12:53:56 0 0
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they did fund a huge ebola HILUnit costing millions to set up & even more to staff for over 5 years - they actually treated a maximum of 4 patients in total after it was set up; thereafter it was just a drain with no plug; nhs men in blue love to spend money which is never recoverable, even if their aim/goal never materialises; another restructuring with little improvement for patients
15/02/2021 15:34:38 0 0
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They did, then scrapped it in panic and adopted the Chinese Communist Party's answer to everything, 'lock everyone up'

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/213717/dh_131040.pdf

Peter Hitchen's on the above.

https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/
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15/02/2021 22:19:30 0 0
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They did; but it was for a flu variant, and austerity cut funding for the contingency planning. This meant it wasn't the correct plan and nothing had been set up for it anyway.
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15/02/2021 09:56:26 102 47
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We have the 2nd worst death rate in the world. Let's follow the scientists, not the politicians.
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15/02/2021 09:58:39 84 57
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We only have the "2nd worst death rate in the world" because of the cock-eyed method we use in this country for allocating cause of death.
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15/02/2021 09:59:57 17 11
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Source? Also do you mean in absolute numbers or per 1000 people? Also consider other factors like population density, certain demographics ignoring the rules. You dumb down your argument too much.
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15/02/2021 10:00:40 24 8
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No we don't, within 28 days of a positive test is a death WITH Covid not FROM Covid
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15/02/2021 10:00:44 16 5
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Not true. Our death rate is less than both Belgium and Slovenia, as well as San Marino and Gibraltar.
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15/02/2021 10:01:39 4 4
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I just wish the politicians would keep their nose out of something they know nothing about.
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15/02/2021 10:03:45 11 5
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No we don't. Why keep lying about it?
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15/02/2021 10:07:20 13 7
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You do realise if we just followed the scientists we would still be in lockdown from last year?
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15/02/2021 10:26:47 6 0
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You do realise that the countries with comparable death rates to us followed the science? It really is not as simple as ban picnics and everyone becomes immortal
15/02/2021 13:02:34 3 0
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What scientists do we follow though? It is not as simple as saying follow the science as different scientists have different views. A lot of emphasis is put on what Sage say, but what about behavioural scientists and economic scientists. The government need to listen to all the scientists and take a balanced view.
15/02/2021 14:40:32 0 0
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are masks working yet?
15/02/2021 15:28:47 0 0
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That might be because Pneumonia, alzheimers, dementia, Flu, heart disease, hypertension, and a load of other 'killers' are now only 'co-morbidities' - Covid kills everyone!
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15/02/2021 22:34:27 0 0
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I do follow the Science and support your overall point. But quit the Hyperbole; there is no need to exaggerate by using selective dates. The overall official death rate in the UK is fourth not second; some countries are manipulating their figures though and the likelihood is that its not quite as bad as all that. Well over 100k is a sufficient stat to make the point
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15/02/2021 09:53:19 7 3
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Err... these are Tory MPs (the usual suspects) - not Labour MPs.
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15/02/2021 09:56:29 2 6
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That's what I am saying - this is coming from the Tories, yet is the stereotypical Labour way of thinking.
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15/02/2021 09:56:41 214 56
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Is this the same group that said Brexit was oven ready?!

Probably best to ignore them.
15/02/2021 11:09:34 62 88
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No. Ignore the people who said lockdown would be for 3 weeks. That it would end when the NHS was not in danger of being overwhelmed. That the cold virus threatened everyone equally. That there was no alternative to this authoritarian lunacy.
15/02/2021 11:12:53 5 1
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Yes, I believe it was - and they voted against the deal that their then PM negotiated, at least once.

The self interested will campaign for something that *they* want, regardless of whether there will be adverse outcomes for *others*.
15/02/2021 11:21:58 4 1
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No. That was Boris Johnson. Best to ignore them both.
15/02/2021 12:17:14 4 5
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This is the same group who helped to defeat Theresa May's BRINO. Well done to them.
15/02/2021 13:34:13 1 1
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It was until in a fit of spite the EU turned of the electricity.
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15/02/2021 09:53:25 10 12
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With this populist government in charge it's usually a case of who shouts loudest, so watch this space. Be a free for all in May, lockdown in June
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15/02/2021 09:56:41 4 4
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Very true - it's always been about politics and not public health - and that's why (comparatively) the UK has come out of COVID with the highest death rate in the world save for a handful of countries.
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15/02/2021 10:18:51 0 1
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"the highest death rate in the world save for a handful of countries"

So.... *not* the highest death rate? And nothing at all to do with the high population density etc?

Glad you're not in charge, we'd be locked down for the next five years.
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15/02/2021 09:56:49 7 9
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We need to lockdown, lockdown, lockdown they screamed, now it’s we need to end lockdown, end lockdown, end lockdown. They said eat out to help out was the partly the cause of the 2nd wave, now the same restaurants/people saying the Govt need to do the Eat Out thing again, who’d be the PM.....on a hiding to nothing no matter what he does
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15/02/2021 09:59:05 2 1
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It's not just about actions, it's also about timings. This Government has got most of it wrong.
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15/02/2021 09:56:51 46 24
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They seem a bunch of arrogant, ignorant, idiots. I wonder what businesses have contributed to support them ? Being so confident of their views, to the people who elected them, they haven't all come out as to who they are pushing this idiotic idea that the virus will stop having an effect base on dates that they decide.
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15/02/2021 10:00:47 15 22
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Can you put that in English please? No idea what your point is.
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15/02/2021 09:56:55 480 47
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I just wish the idiots in every party would just stop stop politics with Covid. But somehow, I doubt it.
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15/02/2021 09:58:19 139 34
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Not possible. All decisions are political.
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15/02/2021 09:59:28 6 21
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I can see another lockdown by July/August.
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15/02/2021 10:22:02 16 13
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It's really just the far right Tories who are mischief making against their colleagues in Government. Let them implode and maybe we will get a more moderate Government next time around. One which will actually care a little bit about the less fortunate struggling in the low wage economy that we now live in.
15/02/2021 11:16:11 13 12
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Mainly the tories trying to force a date.

Labour holding government to account for repeated mistakes and cronyism
15/02/2021 12:24:38 4 9
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Too late the tories started it from day on their propaganda channel BBC 1.
15/02/2021 12:31:33 2 6
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Covid and politics are the same thing, NWO. I can still go to work and earn that tax money but can't see my family or friends, the only thing that is really worth living for.
15/02/2021 13:15:55 2 1
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If the idiots in the current tory government were removed would that not create a problem in that there would be no one left?
15/02/2021 14:02:38 1 1
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so you want politicians to stop being political.
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15/02/2021 09:51:11 20 27
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Unless people can look forwards to some easing of restrictions on the horizon, the prevailing attitude will become "what's the point?".

In other words, without some reward for all the restrictions we've put up with, the Government will have "lost the dressing room"
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15/02/2021 09:56:57 4 2
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totally agree but i think they lost the dressing room with the farce at christmas, and even going back as far as Cummings Barnard eye test. Their total willy-nilly-ness to every situation has lost a large proportion of the nations trust
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15/02/2021 09:52:27 197 79
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Why o why are mps in a rush to put us all back to square one are they the only people in this country that can’t grasp that there a pandemic going on they are a waste of air
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because we want our lives back, recovery rate for covid is 99.9 percent. in 19th of march 2020 it was downgraded to the common flu. Removed
Are you stupid, making up your own facts is not going to make it disappear. Removed
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15/02/2021 09:51:10 1622 268
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The people that want to open up prematurely are the same people that complain if we have to go into another hard lockdown because cases rise too quickly.

Better to do this one properly and make it the last lockdown, rather than opening up too soon and having another, longer, more damaging one again.

The end is in sight!
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15/02/2021 09:57:29 522 1287
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You're missing the point. We don't 'have to' go into a lockdown.
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15/02/2021 10:05:08 132 56
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Yes we do. Done properly they are the only remedy. Problem is there are too many naysayers transmitting the virus not the lockdown restrictions.
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15/02/2021 10:08:00 126 41
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How do you know that? Are you some kind of soothsayer? Hopefully we won't "have to" go into another lockdown, but that is exactly what right wingers like the sceptic Steve Baker were saying in October. They were wrong. Simon Martyn absolutely did NOT miss the point. It is you - and all the sceptics like Baker - who has missed the point.
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15/02/2021 10:08:07 168 59
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Of course we don't ... we can just let infection spread like wildfire, overwhelm the NHS and let hundreds of thousands of people die - how may deaths are you willing to take responsibility for so that you can get down to the pub or go on holiday ?

Still you can always blame it on the government for people's lack of personal responsibility.
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15/02/2021 10:16:05 46 15
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no you are
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15/02/2021 10:19:00 40 16
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Apparently you missed the point about the health service being swamped. And the one about long Covid. And maybe the one about way more deaths if the health service runs over capacity -- not just from Covid, but from everything else that requires medical attention as well.
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15/02/2021 10:20:22 46 9
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We don't "have to" look out for cars when we cross the road. But by and large we do, as we're not all raving lunatics.
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15/02/2021 10:21:21 17 14
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Of course we don't. We can always let the Covid run rampant and do its worst.
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15/02/2021 10:30:07 7 4
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Tell us what your qualifications are and what data you are privy to in making that profound statement?
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15/02/2021 10:32:12 7 1
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What's your master plan then, Luke?
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15/02/2021 10:45:34 7 6
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No, biggest mistake this government made. Enforcement should have been tough and immediate.
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15/02/2021 10:47:42 10 5
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Feel free to ignore the lockdown but don't expect any sympathy if/when you become infected.
I CALL FOR BORIS TO RECEIVE A KNIGHTHOOD!!!!

REPLY IF YOU AGREE!!!!

HE DESERVES MORE BORISPECT (HAHAHA)
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE SO, YOU ARE A GREAT SUPINE PROTOPLASMIC INVERTEBRATE JELLY!

SIR BORIS IS MY HERO!!

#Borispect
#Borini
#HavesomeTEE
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#JUNYA
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#JOHNSONHEUNGMIN
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15/02/2021 09:49:42 24 46
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End it now!
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15/02/2021 09:57:38 17 10
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And end another 100,000 lives. Good thinking NOT
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15/02/2021 10:00:04 5 6
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And how is your endless holiday on full pay going? Seems everyone still on furlough is gung ho for this to carry on.
15/02/2021 15:51:57 0 0
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How did you work that one out? Good thinking NOT indeed.
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15/02/2021 09:50:54 22 22
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How many of these MPs have lost a close relative or friend to Covid.
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15/02/2021 09:57:41 0 1
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Fifteen.
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15/02/2021 09:53:26 445 181
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Can't believe my safety is in the hands of all the idiots that are chomping at the bit to get to the pub and party like a an animal, again!
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15/02/2021 09:57:50 316 432
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Seriously??? Your safety is in your own hands, you stay hiding behind the sofa whilst the rest of us get on with our lives
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15/02/2021 10:04:54 37 35
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Completely agree
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15/02/2021 10:10:14 76 56
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Unbelievable. Brainless and exactly the kind of attitude that has led to 100,000+ dead and will continue to lead to more. I feel great, go out and have a drink at the pub, catch it, be asymptomatic and pass it on to others who die from it. Why do you have the right to "get on with your life" when many others are left mourning those who didn't make it?
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15/02/2021 10:24:02 46 38
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"Hiding behind the sofa"? You mean, taking sensible care of yourself and others?

I bet you'd have been really handy to have around in the blitz.......
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15/02/2021 10:30:44 47 31
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Judging by yours and the following comments, I'll expect mass infections and a further lockdown required, some time in July.
This is truly the epoch of the selfish and self entitled. I'm glad I put my life on the line for the likes of you in the past.
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15/02/2021 10:37:52 6 12
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....get on with your lives and die?
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15/02/2021 10:41:07 14 15
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You are one of those self serving “me, me , me” idiots then?
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15/02/2021 10:45:12 2 1
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He can at least have an expectation that elected members will work for our collective wellbeing.

That hasn't worked well since 2010 to be fair.
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15/02/2021 10:47:46 7 8
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Typical selfish response. This is one of those occasions where the behaviour of others has a direct impact on your life. It is in your interest to get your head around that!
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15/02/2021 10:50:17 4 4
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Time to report yourself then Dave? You breaching covid guidelines and bragging about it on HYS? Very big of you.
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15/02/2021 10:55:03 3 5
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Irresponsible!
15/02/2021 11:45:03 2 4
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LOL - go climb a pavement.
15/02/2021 11:59:42 5 3
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Well said
15/02/2021 12:21:26 2 3
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Oh do grow up.
15/02/2021 12:32:18 2 2
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Can't you snowflakes put others before yourselves or are you willing to own up to owning this tory pandemic crisis.
Ah diddums ! Lockdown too difficult for you?
15/02/2021 12:45:31 4 2
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And what about when you run out of food and supplies ... you have to emerge from behind the sofa, get supplies and mix with all the idiots, not through choice but necessity...as it is airborne it is unavoidable, do your research before posting comments drenched in ego.
15/02/2021 12:49:43 5 1
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There speaks the voice of modern UK society, me me me me
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15/02/2021 13:46:40 2 0
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Unfortunately - stupidity cannot be legislated for and Democracy allows for this brand of fool to vote, which in turn equates to a race to the bottom (i.e Lowest common denominator).
15/02/2021 14:50:45 3 0
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What an insensitive and nasty response.
15/02/2021 15:18:02 1 0
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Why should he, the majority of us are working to get this virus under control so that we can ALL get back to normal, so if the pubs re-opening is a problem then keep them shut, pubs are bot the be all and end all of life...
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15/02/2021 15:19:40 1 0
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Sadly, there are 117,000 + who don't have a life to carry on with, lets not forget that?
15/02/2021 15:40:27 3 0
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What a typical selfish reply from a Covid denier.
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15/02/2021 09:57:51 5 8
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It's time to end lockdown very soon. Early March in my opinion. Ending the lockdown means going back to the four tiers system, not removing all restrictions completely - for that we should wait until the summer. But the maximum lockdown MUST end soon, for the sake of the nation's mental health.
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15/02/2021 09:53:04 10 11
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Oh the tory apologist up early to celebrate 116,000 deaths.
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15/02/2021 09:57:53 2 1
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I thought the left argued politicising deaths was insensitive and disrespectful to the dead and their families....
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15/02/2021 09:57:55 398 121
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They are fools for suggesting this. Every time we nearly get the virus under control they open things up too early and we then all get lockdown again a few months later. If the government would just wait a little longer we could end national lockdowns for good and quarantine individual cases as they occur instead.
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15/02/2021 10:02:30 163 229
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By May, most of the country will be vaccinated. That makes this unlike any of the other instances - it is not possible for the virus to spread as it did before.

Pay attention, things are changing.
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15/02/2021 10:28:54 17 2
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Issue is that whenever you released lockdown, you would get more cases (too many to ever trace). You can only end lockdown for good by accepting the consequences of viral spread, although these consequences are reducing and should continue to reduce dramatically due to rising immunity in the population, largely due to vaccination
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15/02/2021 10:39:41 11 2
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I think that is what they are trying to do. It is all the muppets who can’t be patient!!
15/02/2021 11:07:45 12 14
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We opened up to late last time. Empty hospitals all summer we a direct cause of the steeper spike in the autumn. If they'd flattened the curve like they originally suggested and kept infection levels high all summer and the NHS teetering just below capacity we'd be in a far better position now with much higher herd immunity.
15/02/2021 11:10:15 9 5
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they open things up too early and we then all get lockdown again a few months later.

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equally, the govt have locked down a couple of weeks too late, after the virus has grown too far out of control.
15/02/2021 11:22:46 2 3
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This is not the plague or ebola
15/02/2021 11:57:34 1 1
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Nonsensical argument - your proposal is complete risk aversion and a state of continual lockdown. You can choose to live in your little nirvana chasing health unicorns but don’t force your choice on me.
15/02/2021 12:10:20 0 0
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So we stay in Lockdown forever? NO!!! The cases dropped to acceptable levels until the schools went back. It is time to live with the virus aided by vaccination- not pander to your foolish idea of causing more deaths through infinite Lockdown restrictions rather than from the virus itself.
15/02/2021 12:49:40 1 0
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No it wont it is now endemic. It will now not go away magically. Only a fool would suggest we can remain locked down forever with no economic impact. What we need is policies that balance both the economic recovery and the health risks.
15/02/2021 13:59:52 1 0
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you cannot control a virus, when will people understand, this so called deadly disease that 99. 2% of people get over has been blown out of all proportion, give figures on the age groups, obesity levels not rubbish of 28 days after a positive test, what are we saving the NHS from ? 4 million on waiting lists want to know why their ops are being cancelled
15/02/2021 14:18:34 0 1
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Exactly enforce quarantine not ask people politely if they would mind doing so like John le measurier
15/02/2021 14:19:17 1 0
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The thing is, until we get cases down to absolute zero, it will still be considered too risky to open up for some. At what point would you consider it appropriate for us to be given our human rights back?
15/02/2021 14:22:01 0 0
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The press keeps pushing this idea but I just can't get the maths to work. Without vaccinations, you end up with the same total time in lockdown regardless of how long you lock down for or whether it's early or late due to how exponential growth works. With vaccinations, there will be no need to lock down again a few months later anyway.
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15/02/2021 09:58:01 222 48
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The CRG, much like the ERG area bunch of chancers who think they can have undue influence because they have enough MPs to defeat Johnson, in the sure knowledge that Labour will vote with them as opposition do.
The reality is they are a small minority and need to be put in their place.
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15/02/2021 10:10:00 58 75
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All we ever do now is pander to minorities so these people have just as much right to be heard as the other loonies.
15/02/2021 12:47:18 1 1
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Not that surprising, they are pretty much the same people. As long as they have the chance to make more money, they don't care about much else.
15/02/2021 14:34:43 0 0
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I would bet serious money that no-one would vote with them let alone Labour
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The people that want to open up prematurely are the same people that complain if we have to go into another hard lockdown because cases rise too quickly.

Better to do this one properly and make it the last lockdown, rather than opening up too soon and having another, longer, more damaging one again.

The end is in sight!
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15/02/2021 09:58:03 82 326
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Or just leave lockdown and refuse to go back into it. Your health is YOUR problem not mine. Freedom is sacrosanct.
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15/02/2021 10:16:38 137 34
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Unfortunately freedom cannot be sacrosanct because we have to have some form of Law and Order or freedom can quite quickly turn into anarchy,and if I'm walking about with a highly contagious disease my health very very rapidly becomes YOUR problem mate.
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15/02/2021 10:19:26 50 25
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Hopefully those who believe they can just do whatever they want will soon be enjoying their sacrosanct freedom in a prison cell.

We all have rights. But they come with responsibilities. I suggest you educate yourself as to what "civic responsibility" entails to the society you live in.
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15/02/2021 10:37:00 11 3
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Work away Sir Talks Alot.

Just you do what you want and let the rest do as they wish. YOUR mental breakdown is showing.
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15/02/2021 10:46:43 11 4
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... as is your responsibility to not spread the virus, and my freedom to go about my business without risk catching the virus.

In truth, we all need to work together to beat this.
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15/02/2021 09:49:21 1537 174
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Lifting should be based on levels of virus and hospitalisations. Not some mythical date.

Hopefully we get those levels next week.
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15/02/2021 09:58:06 457 670
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you mean something like vaccine rolled out to most vulnerable, r rate below 1 .... targets that have already been met but loads of contingency and further risk mitigation end April?
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15/02/2021 10:11:18 126 11
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Boris was very clear in his hope of spring being contingent on the vaccine providing the efficacy it claims to give, and all the other caveats. It was never to be based upon just having jabbed enough people.

Likewise we won't eradicate the virus, so we need levels that we deem to be tolerable into the future.
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15/02/2021 10:14:14 67 50
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Not all of the most vulnerable have been vaccinated. Whilst the BBC keeps talking about the under 70s who are extremely clinically vulnerable, I get the impression it might just be ages 16-70 who are extremely clinically vulnerable. My 2 yr old is extremely clinically vulnerable and we have had no information about vaccination for her, even when meeting her NHS medical team about a week ago.
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15/02/2021 10:19:04 69 14
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Do you know that nearly half of people admitted to hospital are under 70? It's not so simple as saying over 70s are protected so everyone else is safe.
r rate being below 1 is a result of lockdown, so r rate below 1 can never be justification for removing lockdown.
An R rate significantly below 1 could justify reducing restrictions slightly provided that cases are already low
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15/02/2021 10:41:29 32 2
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And 23000 people in hospital so other urgently sick people cannot be treated
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15/02/2021 10:44:47 12 3
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Majority of population still not expected to be vaccinated by the Autumn.
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15/02/2021 10:51:34 5 2
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Ro needs to be below 0.4
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15/02/2021 10:55:25 7 3
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I am category 4 and housebound and still have had no vaccine.
15/02/2021 11:11:23 5 11
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I have nothing against the aged and vulnerable being vaccinated first, this makes sense.

What does not make any sense however is it is not these groups who keep the economy going, through work and spending that what is earned back in to the economy.

I am sure Rishi will soon be putting a sting in the tail through further taxation to these groups who are still yet to be vaccinated...
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15/02/2021 09:52:04 45 26
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The medical advice from Tory mp's is available where?
Where is their peer reviewed evidence that is safe to open us up to the pandemic again, with their idiotic, eat out to infect others?
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15/02/2021 09:58:12 5 13
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do you want to le locked up your whole life like an animal ?
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15/02/2021 10:28:48 5 1
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And today's Drama Queen Award goes to......."SONY".
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15/02/2021 09:58:15 3 3
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Blancmange wobbled less.
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15/02/2021 09:50:42 6 8
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As someone who lives in the Forest of Dean where Little Mark is the MP of I just wish that he could focus on the more important thing which is pressuring HE to sort out the A40 between Highnam and Over
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15/02/2021 09:58:23 3 2
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Yeah, it's mor important to sort out a road than it is to allow people out of their homes to use it.
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#JUNYA
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#JOHNSONHEUNGMIN
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15/02/2021 09:58:31 6 7
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As usual all advocating staying fully locked down are still getting paid their politicians/university etc salary - what about the businesses that fund these people through taxes made from profits. The profits have disappeared for many and so will the taxes to be paid this and next year. We should open businesses and enforce better - it's sad that so many people are unable to follow simple rules
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15/02/2021 10:25:55 0 0
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Social distancing 1mtr inside and wearing a mask do not provide complete protection. Businesses even if everyone follows the rules still spread the virus. A virus that kills.
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15/02/2021 09:58:32 7 14
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THE GOVERMENT IS NOT YOUR FRIEND!
They want to strip as many rights and liberties from you as possible.

We currently don't live in a democracy! Laws are being passed without being voted on or scrutinised.
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15/02/2021 10:19:06 0 2
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Parliament is still open, scrutinizing and voting on laws.
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15/02/2021 10:42:19 0 0
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The vast majority agree with the laws being used to control covid.
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15/02/2021 09:53:02 17 18
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There seems to be rather a lot of people who actually enjoy lockdown and don't want it to end - both in Government and the public.

But I've no idea why.
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15/02/2021 09:58:34 5 1
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I don't believe your statement is correct, I don't know anybody who wants the lockdown to continue indefinitely. Haven't been in the office for 12 months, stuck at home working at my dining table, limiting contact to protect all, both golf clubs closed, holidays cancelled, local businesses struggling, children negatively impacted by schooling being compromised.
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15/02/2021 09:58:35 350 66
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For the first time in this pandemic; with the vaccine numbers increasing and infections/death decreasing, I feel that we have now finally some control over the virus.
The Government must not loosen the restrictions at this critical stage to appease tory backbenchers because relaxing lockdown for a few weeks only to re-enter lockdown later would be catastrophic.
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15/02/2021 10:50:25 107 286
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The bbc, like all the liberal /left media are Lockdown zealots. This HYS has only been opened because they know they have successfully got that message across, here at least.
And they are well aware that HMG will only take measures that are popular in that moment.
They are incapable of leadership.
15/02/2021 12:51:16 2 2
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You say this with total disregard for all the businesses that will fail and the employees who will lose their jobs.
15/02/2021 15:09:26 0 0
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Would not put it past them to appease backbenchers, they have done it before .
15/02/2021 16:46:39 0 0
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I agree Andrew. Sadly the news is full of idiots that break the rules or refuse the vaccine so we are stuck with Covid. Vaccine helps fight Covid not kill it. Ultimately it will be about heard immunity............ it always was! Pandemics kill people....... they always have! Sad but true.
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15/02/2021 09:56:26 102 47
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We have the 2nd worst death rate in the world. Let's follow the scientists, not the politicians.
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15/02/2021 09:58:39 84 57
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We only have the "2nd worst death rate in the world" because of the cock-eyed method we use in this country for allocating cause of death.
15/02/2021 12:21:00 2 5
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SIMPLY NOT TRUE. The definition we use has always undercounted covid deaths and as people spend longer in hospital now there are treatments to be tried the undercounting is even worse.
15/02/2021 12:41:05 0 0
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Yes it called a pandemic now carry on with your colouring book Portnoy.
15/02/2021 12:48:12 0 1
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I'm sure that will be a great relief to the family and friends of those who've died, even from your 'cock-eyed method' of counting the dead
15/02/2021 12:49:47 0 1
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You don't appear to have criticized the post mortem process before. Similar process used by all western countries. You appear to be a COVID denier?
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15/02/2021 09:52:27 197 79
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Why o why are mps in a rush to put us all back to square one are they the only people in this country that can’t grasp that there a pandemic going on they are a waste of air
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15/02/2021 09:58:45 24 27
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You can't destroy the country with the excuse of a pandemic. This is not a dictatorship, we are in a free country!
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15/02/2021 10:46:22 6 8
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The old dictatorship argument from someone who probably does not understand what a dictatorship is lol, educate yourself and come back.
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15/02/2021 09:50:36 59 40
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For "Covid Research Group", read "Covid Denial Group".
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15/02/2021 09:54:00 11 6
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No it’s not. Within that 64 MPs are three qualified doctors a d a professor of immunology.
15/02/2021 12:34:35 4 0
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Disinformation at its best - you are (deliberately?) mixing up the parliamentary CRG with the Royal College of Surgeons Covid-19 Research Group. Just imagine a Professor of Immunology being a Tory MP in his spare time!
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Bob
15/02/2021 09:51:26 15 26
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Wanting this to be the last lockdown whilst simultaneously wanting to end it as soon as possible based upon dates rather than the situation is the kind of double-think that you'd expect from the Labour front benches.
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15/02/2021 09:55:14 2 2
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Labour? Did you even read the article?
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Bob
15/02/2021 10:02:40 2 3
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Did you even learn English? You EXPECT it from Labour meaning it is the type of thing they'd come out with. But here it is from the so-called intelligent side.
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15/02/2021 09:55:28 19 11
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A date cannot be given, this needs to be a very slow and very pragmatic approach
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15/02/2021 09:55:49 9 8
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People ranting about people under 50 not needing to worry need to be aqware that:

1 The new variant is affecting younger people much more than the original

2 The more people infected, even with no symptoms, the more opportunities virus has to mutate and worsen.
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15/02/2021 10:02:49 2 1
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There are 1000's of different viruses, each of those viruses mutates 1000's of times in a year. Any one of them could mutate to be deadly to everyone. It isnt limited to COVID19. Stop with the scares please. We CANNOT live in a shell for the rest of our lives, we need to get out and reclaim our lives. LIFE is not worth living if you are stuck in prison in your own home forever.
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15/02/2021 10:03:00 1 1
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Totally agree, it was not long ago that i was talking out of the back of my head concerning mutations from very arrogant people. You never know
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15/02/2021 09:53:53 15 20
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Terrible lasting damage has been done to millions of people through a year of lockdown. Time to end it now
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15/02/2021 09:58:20 5 4
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Hundreds of thousands of lives have been saved by lockdown so you need to come up with a balanced and rational argument.
15/02/2021 16:19:56 0 0
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Evidence for the statement 'Hundreds of thousands of lives have been saved by lockdown' would be nice wouldn't it. Only you DONT HAVE IT do you.
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15/02/2021 09:53:53 15 20
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Terrible lasting damage has been done to millions of people through a year of lockdown. Time to end it now
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15/02/2021 09:58:35 3 2
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Tell that to those that died needlessly just so a few idiots could get to the beach and the pub
15/02/2021 16:21:42 0 0
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You are still banging on about people (or idiots as you call them) going to the pub or beach when the original post mentioned neither. So, if its OK for you to label people as idiots I will label you as an idiot. At least there is evidence for that based on your post history.
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15/02/2021 09:54:00 11 13
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I am sure there are a group of MPs who still believe the Earth is flat
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15/02/2021 09:55:49 0 2
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3 are doctors and one has a degree in immunology. But you tell yourself what you want.
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15/02/2021 09:56:01 1 3
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im trying to find out if my local mp is one of these people who want to open up early, if they are more educated than scientists and other experts in the virus field ,im happy all their previous education has not gone to waste, so why did scientist etc spend all that time and money, when they could just be mps , simples
15/02/2021 16:41:47 0 0
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You do realise not all scientists believe lockdowns are effective do you? No? I thought so.

These lockdowns are an experiment that has failed. Unless you have evidence to prove otherwise?
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15/02/2021 09:56:10 3 6
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There are a lot of alcoholics wanting to get back to the pub with no regards for peoples health
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15/02/2021 10:01:27 4 1
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One can be an alcoholic at home you know.
15/02/2021 16:43:37 0 0
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Do you think pubs were responsible for the spread of covid because the evidence suggests that is just not the case.
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15/02/2021 09:54:00 11 13
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I am sure there are a group of MPs who still believe the Earth is flat
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15/02/2021 09:56:16 0 1
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I am sure you couldn't name a single one of this imaginary group.
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15/02/2021 10:37:10 0 0
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I think we can. Its on Google & Wiki.

Basically the ERG & dragged a few minor league so called experts in. Even the Antivaxxers have a ready supply of those.
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15/02/2021 09:55:15 10 15
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Tori Sc**! Demanding lockdown to end! How dare you! Have you heard the scientific advise, mutations are getting more and more dangerous! How dare you. Name and Shane yourselves you cowards.
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15/02/2021 09:57:11 1 1
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Which mutations are more dangerous?