Lions Watch - who impressed this weekend?
15/02/2021 | sport | rugbyunion | 1,601
Wales wing Louis Rees-Zammit stakes his claim, while some leftfield candidates close in on the scrum-half and number eight vacancies...
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15/02/2021 08:20:35 201 22
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NOT OWEN FARRELL! Finn Russell for Lions 10!
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15/02/2021 08:26:26 82 11
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Would not have him in England team better 10's around give Smith or Simmonds a go. Our 8,9, & 12 should be rested, wont happen but one can dream !
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15/02/2021 08:32:23 8 5
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100%, Farrell needs game time. He looks absolutely lost at the moment.

Those long looping passes to the wing are such a powerful attacking tool. When he’s on his game Russell is one of the best 10’s in the world.
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15/02/2021 08:38:07 7 3
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Agree, not Farrell, but expect he will be there as usual, hopefully not as captain. I don't think lack of game time has much to do with it, he has always been there for his place kicking. Without that, Ford would have been the regular in the team. Also, Daddy Farrell being mentioned as the next Lions head coach, so is another factor...
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grg
15/02/2021 08:38:23 4 11
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Neither
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15/02/2021 08:51:04 10 23
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Russell got shown up against Wales, proved again he can't string more than 1 good game together.
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15/02/2021 10:30:50 1 16
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Hahahahahaha what a joke suggestion
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15/02/2021 10:37:23 2 3
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It’s sure as hell not Dan Biggar ,for some reason he has completely lost it.
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15/02/2021 11:37:28 2 4
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Farrell is not an international 10 never will be used in 2017 as a replacement one cap of the bench one start at 10 in the first test then moved to 12 imo his best position for the next two.10 at the moment imo should be Russell,Ford,and Sheedy,But Farrell would go as a 12.
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15/02/2021 11:40:09 3 11
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Lions test team based on six nations so far imo
1. Wyn Jones
2. Cowan Dickie
3. Sinckler
4. Beirne
5. J Gray
6. Stander
7. Watson
8. Falateu
9. Price
10. Russell
11. Van Der Merwe
12. Henshaw
13. North
14. Rees-Zammit
15. Hogg
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15/02/2021 12:19:12 2 1
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Hopefully flathead has played his way off the Lions tour.not even good enough for england so that is pretty poor.
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15/02/2021 14:31:02 3 3
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Much depends on which Finn Russell turns up.
Who'd want the version that appeared in that final against Exeter?
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15/02/2021 16:33:12 0 2
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Yawn
15/02/2021 20:58:19 0 2
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Well Farrell is more of a centre, so, yeah, lol, Farrell and Tuilagi in the centres. May, Williams and Hogg the back-three.
16/02/2021 09:49:41 1 1
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Leave Owen Farrell to me. I will sort him out.
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15/02/2021 08:21:09 30 8
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L R-Z was incredible. Thank goodness he's Welsh!!
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15/02/2021 09:00:04 20 11
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He was excellent, but for Jiffy to try and credit him for the disallowed Scotland try was frankly ridiculous.
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15/02/2021 13:30:59 5 2
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He could of played for England. Thank god he came to his senses??????????
16/02/2021 01:08:57 0 1
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If Rees-Zamit was English Eddie Jones wouldn't pick him anyway. Gloucester team mate Ollie Thorley is just as brilliant and can't get a game for England.
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15/02/2021 08:23:57 209 8
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How Eddie Jones is ignoring Simmonds is beyond belief. And I’m Welsh!
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15/02/2021 08:29:33 122 3
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Eddie has his favourites and can’t change. Why else would you insist on keeping the spine of the team Saracens when they haven’t played rugby for months?

Since when has not playing ever been a good thing?
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15/02/2021 08:34:35 15 8
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Its about time Eddie Jones went!
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15/02/2021 10:21:49 7 12
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Dombrant is a better all round player at 8. As quick as Simmonds but has better vision and passing skills.
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15/02/2021 10:24:30 17 2
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I agree, especially as BV is so out of form. EJ seems to favour big, heavy players over more skilful ones. However, BV is carrying too much weight, which makes him slow and lazy. Simmonds is the best player in the EP imo, and would love him picked for the Lions. His brother deserves a game for England as well. Time for EJ to go.
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15/02/2021 10:45:29 3 6
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Simmonds at 6, curry at 8 and dombrandt at 8 !
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15/02/2021 16:32:55 0 2
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Because he's not good enough. End of.

Who's probably going to have the better insight? A world renowned coach that's made multiple world cup finals? Or some random no nothing armchair "pundit" such as frequents this HYS?

Eddie 1 - 0 Hairdryers
15/02/2021 19:34:47 1 1
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Simmonds is good having the arm chair ride, the reason he has not gone further is if you look his general work rate in a game is very poor, hangs around the fringes and out in the 3/4s
16/02/2021 12:06:13 1 2
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How can we convince Eddie to drop Billy V?
16/02/2021 14:07:53 0 1
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Couldn't agree more, and I'm Scottish. He's the sort of player that could have given England the edge against us on the opening weekend, I want Scotland to win but I also want to see the best players on the pitch from both sides.
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15/02/2021 08:24:25 25 16
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Every once in a while a player comes along and lights up the game. We had it with the likes Jona Lomu, Brian O'Driscoll and Dan Carter. By any measure they entertained and played with guile, cunning and had a swagger of greatness. The young lad Louis Rees-Zammit is the new kid on the block and is sheer class. He is a lethal attacking force with breathtaking pace. A Lion in waiting.
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15/02/2021 08:56:24 28 7
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He's had a good start to his career but to compare him to Lomu is laughable.
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15/02/2021 08:24:56 7 3
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Rees lighting!
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15/02/2021 11:00:18 3 1
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He’s been absolutely superb in scoring his tries and is blessed with blistering pace. From that aspect he would be on the plane.
My one concern is that we haven’t seen his defence tested yet and that will be very, very important against huge, fast South African wingers.
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15/02/2021 08:20:35 201 22
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NOT OWEN FARRELL! Finn Russell for Lions 10!
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15/02/2021 08:26:26 82 11
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Would not have him in England team better 10's around give Smith or Simmonds a go. Our 8,9, & 12 should be rested, wont happen but one can dream !
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15/02/2021 08:40:16 7 4
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Smith had another blinder, I'm sure Simmonds did too but did not see the Exeter game. At the moment hard to see many English players making a case for Lions - but then the other home nations have been pretty poor too
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Bob
15/02/2021 09:17:41 7 9
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I have a similar dream. Wish Eddie did too.

8 Simmonds
9 Randal
10 Smith
12 Slade / Lawrence
13 O Conner / Slade
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15/02/2021 14:31:33 0 1
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Better still replaced!!
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15/02/2021 15:06:17 0 1
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8, 9, 12 & 15 I would say. Simmonds at 8, and maybe Itije or lawes at 6 to help lineout options
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15/02/2021 08:27:31 39 11
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2 quality tries with the second being world class, set up another and hit a clearance of destiny. The future’s bright on the Welsh Wing for LRZ. When you leave Stuart Hogg for dead you know you’re quick!
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15/02/2021 08:40:57 70 14
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Agree that LRZ had a fabulous game and has great potential but don’t over hype him. Hogg was covering for his lack of winger, was moving to close down the space and had to turn on his heels when he was chipped. A foot race against an almost stationary opponent when you are at full pelt isn’t much of a comparison. I once jogged past Linford Christie in a park can I have his gold medal please ta.
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15/02/2021 09:24:11 2 12
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Hogg can't tackle tho'.
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15/02/2021 08:28:30 154 25
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What we have learned for sure is Owen Farrell is not fit to play for England at 10 or 12 or indeed any position. He is one dimensional and not a playmaker. He is petulant and gives away penalties. By definition he is not a Lion. The lad Rees-Zammit has been the stand out player of the week end and a bright light. Power, pace and skill in abundance.
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15/02/2021 08:34:10 42 11
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Well said!
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15/02/2021 08:36:49 16 14
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I mean by definition he is a Lion. As he has already been on two Lions tours, as well as in the starting 15 for test games.

So your comment makes zero sense!
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15/02/2021 09:13:25 10 2
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He was definitely rattled, again, on Saturday. Made a few handling errors.

When people talk of England's "no plan B" I think a lot of that is due to him. He's not one of those players who can turn a game around.
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15/02/2021 11:42:51 5 3
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I have no problem with him at 12, but it's either him or Slade at 12 and not both at 12 and 13. Poor old Lawrence treated like Christian Wade
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15/02/2021 11:50:18 4 3
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Owen Farrell. By definition he isn’t an Owen or a Farrell.

Just joking.

He was in the team that drew the lions series with NZ and while form is temporary etc. So cut him some slack. Personally I much prefer Russell. Like I preferred Cantona over Deschamps - The water carrier - who won the World Cup...
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15/02/2021 14:09:34 0 2
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Jones will drop Farrell for the next game. If it works he will be hailed as the saviour of English rugby.......again
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15/02/2021 14:38:55 4 1
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We've also seen Daly can't tackle or pass... Again..
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15/02/2021 16:36:40 0 2
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Farrell nailed on for Lions regardless of how much you all bleat on here
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15/02/2021 18:12:12 3 1
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Farrell should be penalised and carded far more than he is but gets special and favourable treatment
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15/02/2021 08:23:57 209 8
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How Eddie Jones is ignoring Simmonds is beyond belief. And I’m Welsh!
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15/02/2021 08:29:33 122 3
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Eddie has his favourites and can’t change. Why else would you insist on keeping the spine of the team Saracens when they haven’t played rugby for months?

Since when has not playing ever been a good thing?
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15/02/2021 08:36:04 15 5
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This is rewarding Saracens and their players when they are meant to be being punished. Itolje is the only one that deserves his jersey, but he should be playing full time in premiership.
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15/02/2021 14:29:08 0 1
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Especially when Billy V admits that he much prefers playing to training as a method of getting fit
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15/02/2021 14:34:04 1 1
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Agreed and have in 2 weeks been comfortably our worst performers... And that's saying something... Daly, farell... Farell shouldn't even be juicebox guy at the moment hed drop them. Lcd has consigned George to the bench thankfully. Outrageous that sarries players are even near the squad without playing.
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15/02/2021 08:31:20 114 9
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Farrell offers nothing except place kicking (even his captaincy skills are limited) and that does not justify a Lions place: I am an England supporter.
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Bob
15/02/2021 09:05:24 66 5
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And his place kicking has been a bit off. So he offers nothing but knock ons and bad tackling at the moment.
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15/02/2021 09:09:35 14 1
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Farrell wouldn't make the top three in the Premiership at either 10 or 12, Jones needs to get a grip and play players who deserve to be picked.
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15/02/2021 10:33:32 12 2
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Agree, also an England supporter. Time to give the armband to Otoje and start picking on form versus past reputation...Farrell, Billy V and Daly need to be stood down for starters
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15/02/2021 11:06:10 14 1
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On his day at his peak he offered excellent defence, great goal kicking and a seriously underrated attacking threat especially his lines and passing. Look back at Lions v All Black.

At present he offers nothing and hasn’t really since the WC. He should be dropped end of.
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15/02/2021 11:51:49 4 1
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His place kicking isn't currently International standard imho.
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15/02/2021 13:48:23 6 1
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ESPECIALLY his captaincy skills are limited!
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15/02/2021 18:40:09 1 4
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He was one of the best players in the World a couple years ago, he is bad at the moment but lets not pretend he's a terrible player. He hasn't played for months, we will see if he improves over the tournament.
15/02/2021 21:03:47 0 1
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who would you have in the centres then?
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15/02/2021 08:32:20 72 6
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We're stuck in a rut with Farrell now. He's too slow and hasn't got the skills required. Blimey I know what he's going to do, let alone the other teams.
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Bob
15/02/2021 09:07:30 46 7
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We start to get a bit of momentum then it's:

Youngs slow ball

Ford obviously going to pass

Farrell stand still or kick

Must be easy to defend.
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15/02/2021 16:21:40 1 1
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I think every welsh supporter is praying that Farrell starts whether it’s at 10 or 12. He’s got a pretty dodgy record in Cardiff as well I can remember him imploding in 2013 and 2 years ago. It’s a shame there won’t be any fans there as it has the potential to be a cracker.
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15/02/2021 08:32:22 49 3
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Been discussing Ali Price as a possible lion among friends for a short while. There is a lack of genuine quality at 9 among any of the British/Irish nations, so he has a chance. Overall feeling though is that his decision making sometimes lets him down. For example, kicking away possession in the last two minutes on Saturday was a poor choice.
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15/02/2021 08:49:30 20 7
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Yeh he's good, Robson is in with a shout as well
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15/02/2021 09:30:05 0 3
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English scrum half
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15/02/2021 10:18:32 6 2
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Despite a dip in form last year, John Cooney has been superb at 9 for the past 3-4 years. His omission from the Irish squad is baffling.
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15/02/2021 11:28:11 1 1
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He had a good game on Saturday, but the Welsh gave him a lot of space. England were poor against Scotland, but Price had a poor game. His game management went to pot. His replacement in the England game was excellent. He tries to keep it quick all the time and needs to learn pacing. Not for me. Gatlands choosing there'll be suprises, its South Africa. No hiding places there.
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15/02/2021 18:37:08 0 1
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George Horne is a better scrum half than Ali Price.
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15/02/2021 08:20:35 201 22
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NOT OWEN FARRELL! Finn Russell for Lions 10!
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15/02/2021 08:32:23 8 5
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100%, Farrell needs game time. He looks absolutely lost at the moment.

Those long looping passes to the wing are such a powerful attacking tool. When he’s on his game Russell is one of the best 10’s in the world.
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15/02/2021 10:19:33 17 2
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Farrell has had several years of “game time” and has demonstrated again and again I that he cannot play under pressure and apart from his goal kicking has very little to offer. He stifles spontaneous play.
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15/02/2021 08:34:08 25 11
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Yeah Zammit this and Zammit that. He's pretty good but then so is Odogwu.

If only EJ would get his head out of his a*se and play him (and several others).
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Jon
15/02/2021 08:37:51 31 4
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It's not really fair to take away from someone who's done well. It's not Zammit's fault that Odugwu hasn't played.
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15/02/2021 08:28:30 154 25
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What we have learned for sure is Owen Farrell is not fit to play for England at 10 or 12 or indeed any position. He is one dimensional and not a playmaker. He is petulant and gives away penalties. By definition he is not a Lion. The lad Rees-Zammit has been the stand out player of the week end and a bright light. Power, pace and skill in abundance.
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15/02/2021 08:34:10 42 11
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Well said!
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15/02/2021 08:34:12 6 6
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The fourteen Scottish guys who played on Saturday should be in with a shout, very English players at the moment, There are few Irish players looking good and even though Wales have only played against fourteen man teams will make up the bulk of the team.
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15/02/2021 09:37:14 0 4
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Is this a joke
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15/02/2021 08:23:57 209 8
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How Eddie Jones is ignoring Simmonds is beyond belief. And I’m Welsh!
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15/02/2021 08:34:35 15 8
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Its about time Eddie Jones went!
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15/02/2021 10:25:25 14 2
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Completely agree. He has taken England as far as he can. Time for some new ideas.
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15/02/2021 16:33:32 0 2
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If you don't like it just stop watching
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15/02/2021 08:35:01 72 30
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Nigel Owens impressed yesterday when he explained very clearly why May's "wonder try" should not have been allowed.
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15/02/2021 08:42:12 58 59
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I didn't see that but it was presumably on the basis that Zammit didn't score it.
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15/02/2021 08:48:35 14 29
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No because May jumped up BEFORE any tackler initiated so therefore it did stand. Best try I've ever seen, too.
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15/02/2021 08:52:31 22 7
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I was surprised it was given as jumping to avoid a tackle is not allowed and as NO said, that he is what he did and not dive over the line which is allowed.
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15/02/2021 08:53:36 20 72
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Owens’s anti English bigotry is well known. I’d take what he says with a pinch of salt.
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15/02/2021 10:32:08 9 3
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and Jonathon Kaplan an equally eminent Ref with no skin in the game has called it as a try, so guess this makes the point that Laws of rugby are open to interpretation by the ref on the pitch on the day. The ref on the pitch called it a try so it was indeed a try. or if we go for democracy 2 refs v1 (owens) so still try and scoreboard says try. I think rightly so, The vision deserves reward.
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15/02/2021 11:06:41 1 2
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No problem from allowing someone to jump like that on condition that the defender is allowed to hit him whilst he's 'diving' and be red carded for tackling man in the air.

Can't have it both ways.
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15/02/2021 11:35:40 3 3
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So true, Scrum 5 is one of the best programmes to pick stuff up. I've watched it for years and am not Welsh.Owens was on it. Being a BBC Wales production they give a Welsh slant on the programme but it was pretty on point last night. But as he said nobody else has penalised that, his explanation of the Willis incident was also great. The laws are there,the guys have to use them. More ref analysis
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15/02/2021 11:47:09 11 4
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Great respect for Owens knowing the laws , but I think it’s a dictionary that needs consulting more than games laws. The difference between a jump & a dive isn’t height achieved but manner of landing. A dive is specified as head or hands 1st (as may did) a jump is landing feet, legs ,bum or back first. Had may landed on his feet & then grounded no try , as he landed hands first it’s a try
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15/02/2021 12:58:15 1 1
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Saw the try on Saturday; what a finish! Heard NO's explanation and did a double take; if May dives for the line OK but if he jumps to avoid a tackle it is dangerous play and a penalty. If jumping were allowed then it's a penalty every time as the tackled player is in the air. But it's also a penalty the other way for dangerous play as the tackler runs the risk of being hit in the head! Intriguing.
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15/02/2021 15:26:16 1 3
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and i agree with him ' typical english ' if he (may) landed on his head then the whole english team would have been shouting pen
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15/02/2021 16:24:01 0 1
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NO was correct. if he was diving for the line then there would have been no need to dive upwards as he did; the line is on the floor after all. I don't think that type of try will be given again after the Refs discuss it during their wash-up meeting. the minimum launch for the line will likely have to be a lot flatter.
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15/02/2021 18:32:17 0 1
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To many people commenting without watching scrum v Owens clearly said that the it was a try and allowed because he was going for the line. We're the confusion is that people missed understood when he said that if that was in the middle of the park it would have been a penalty.
jk
15/02/2021 21:41:01 0 1
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Quite simple really .. it was a dive for the line ergo a valid try... next please !
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15/02/2021 08:35:13 6 5
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May had a drinker last week but was very good on Saturday
Given the opposition the centres are gonna have to be able to deal with the sheer physicality of their opposite numbers
At 9 anyone but Youngs, Davies or Murray
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15/02/2021 08:40:35 6 2
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Playing at altitude is what May does best with his ability to fly over the opposition.
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15/02/2021 08:57:58 0 1
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he was very good .... against italy !!
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15/02/2021 08:29:33 122 3
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Eddie has his favourites and can’t change. Why else would you insist on keeping the spine of the team Saracens when they haven’t played rugby for months?

Since when has not playing ever been a good thing?
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15/02/2021 08:36:04 15 5
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This is rewarding Saracens and their players when they are meant to be being punished. Itolje is the only one that deserves his jersey, but he should be playing full time in premiership.
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15/02/2021 12:45:43 6 11
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It was the club that was punished, not individual players. Are you saying that Saracens players shouldn't be selected because the club was punished? Total drivel.
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Jon
15/02/2021 08:36:28 62 11
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I've a feeling that AWJ might not make this one. There was talk of him being in it but this 6N has thrown up loads of good second row options. The Scottish locks (both Greys included) were brilliant on the weekend, Itoje played superbly as usual, Henderson and Beirne had good games and Beard put his hand up. AWJ played well but it looked a bit laboured.
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grg
15/02/2021 08:39:41 18 78
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No chance clear captain
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15/02/2021 08:42:52 15 7
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Gives away too many pens now for my liking and clearly isn’t as mobile round the Park
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15/02/2021 08:46:15 14 3
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As a welshman I sadly agree that he shouldn't make the first XV. However I still expect him to be on the tour to provide leadership, and possible captain the midweek XV.
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15/02/2021 08:56:41 0 2
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ahahaha
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15/02/2021 09:22:29 7 6
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AWJ could go as tour Capt and Cap of the 2nd string. Perfect for those roles.
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15/02/2021 09:33:57 11 12
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If it were anyone else picking the squad then AWJ wouldn't be anywhere near the plane, but its Gatland so he'll be anything between starting for the matchday XV to captain
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15/02/2021 10:52:51 6 1
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Four second rows have already put their hands up to compete for the two test places.
Itoje, Johnny Grey, Ryan and Henderson. Beirne is pushing all of them closely and Lawes, as a Lion already is potentially a useful back up as 4/5/6.
The tour is too short to take players to be picked for the mid week team.
More concerns in other positions, hooker, 9, 12, 13.
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15/02/2021 11:16:42 3 5
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On experience and standing alone I would say he's on the plane .. possibly as tour captain .. but he does look a bit tired and laboured, he's not at his best for sure.
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15/02/2021 12:39:47 7 8
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Gatland will pick a dozen plus Welshmen, he always does ??
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15/02/2021 13:11:53 1 1
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And gave away 4 penalties
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15/02/2021 15:16:51 0 2
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Yes i have been saying for 2 years, take AWJ as tour, non-playing captain. There are so many locks in front of him now, it would be an embarrassing indictment of WG if he was selected in the playing squad.
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15/02/2021 16:40:54 0 1
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2 matches in 6 days will take it's toll on the greybeards
MH
15/02/2021 20:15:20 0 3
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As you say, loads of far better second rows around at the moment. Personally, I think he was lucky to go on the last Lions tour - I would have picked Launchberry instead.
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15/02/2021 08:28:30 154 25
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What we have learned for sure is Owen Farrell is not fit to play for England at 10 or 12 or indeed any position. He is one dimensional and not a playmaker. He is petulant and gives away penalties. By definition he is not a Lion. The lad Rees-Zammit has been the stand out player of the week end and a bright light. Power, pace and skill in abundance.
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15/02/2021 08:36:49 16 14
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I mean by definition he is a Lion. As he has already been on two Lions tours, as well as in the starting 15 for test games.

So your comment makes zero sense!
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15/02/2021 09:13:25 9 14
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I appreciate at an intellectual level you struggle to understand my post. Read it again slowly in the context of "Six Nations Lions Watch" an if you still struggle feel free to ask me for further help.
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grg
15/02/2021 08:37:08 8 11
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Farrell or Russell have been very poor no way should they be on the plane
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15/02/2021 08:44:19 4 2
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Come on - you're going to have to do better than that to wind people up! Try again :)
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15/02/2021 08:56:13 0 2
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finn Russell ??? you crazy
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15/02/2021 08:34:08 25 11
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Yeah Zammit this and Zammit that. He's pretty good but then so is Odogwu.

If only EJ would get his head out of his a*se and play him (and several others).
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Jon
15/02/2021 08:37:51 31 4
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It's not really fair to take away from someone who's done well. It's not Zammit's fault that Odugwu hasn't played.
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15/02/2021 16:45:04 1 1
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This is the classic English default position mate. You know they’re worried about you when they start talking about you like that. The English press and supporters did exactly the same to Gavin Henson because they were worried about him as well and he had the cheek to kick the winning kick against England and say it was never in doubt. Welsh people must put their arm around Louis and support him
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15/02/2021 08:20:35 201 22
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NOT OWEN FARRELL! Finn Russell for Lions 10!
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15/02/2021 08:38:07 7 3
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Agree, not Farrell, but expect he will be there as usual, hopefully not as captain. I don't think lack of game time has much to do with it, he has always been there for his place kicking. Without that, Ford would have been the regular in the team. Also, Daddy Farrell being mentioned as the next Lions head coach, so is another factor...
1
15/02/2021 08:20:35 201 22
bbc
NOT OWEN FARRELL! Finn Russell for Lions 10!
26
grg
15/02/2021 08:38:23 4 11
bbc
Neither
21
Jon
15/02/2021 08:36:28 62 11
bbc
I've a feeling that AWJ might not make this one. There was talk of him being in it but this 6N has thrown up loads of good second row options. The Scottish locks (both Greys included) were brilliant on the weekend, Itoje played superbly as usual, Henderson and Beirne had good games and Beard put his hand up. AWJ played well but it looked a bit laboured.
27
grg
15/02/2021 08:39:41 18 78
bbc
No chance clear captain
jk
15/02/2021 20:39:57 0 1
bbc
Ha ha ha ha .. well past his sell by date !
15/02/2021 22:33:43 0 1
bbc
Captain has to be worth his place in the side. AWJ is past it I'm afraid but there's plenty of good second rows out there
16/02/2021 06:34:15 1 2
bbc
The captain must justify his place as a player first and then be made captain, AWJ is not in the best 10 locks in the UK. If he makes the squad everyone will know that it is down to selection bias and that ruins the Lions brand.
6
15/02/2021 08:26:26 82 11
bbc
Would not have him in England team better 10's around give Smith or Simmonds a go. Our 8,9, & 12 should be rested, wont happen but one can dream !
28
15/02/2021 08:40:16 7 4
bbc
Smith had another blinder, I'm sure Simmonds did too but did not see the Exeter game. At the moment hard to see many English players making a case for Lions - but then the other home nations have been pretty poor too
51
15/02/2021 08:54:09 3 2
bbc
He scored 2 tries.. not sure what he needs to do to be given a chance.
15/02/2021 19:06:39 0 1
bbc
May on the wing? Props? LCD? Itoje? come on
19
15/02/2021 08:35:13 6 5
bbc
May had a drinker last week but was very good on Saturday
Given the opposition the centres are gonna have to be able to deal with the sheer physicality of their opposite numbers
At 9 anyone but Youngs, Davies or Murray
29
15/02/2021 08:40:35 6 2
bbc
Playing at altitude is what May does best with his ability to fly over the opposition.
35
15/02/2021 08:44:10 0 1
bbc
No idea what happened in Week #1 but was miles between Saturday.
7
15/02/2021 08:27:31 39 11
bbc
2 quality tries with the second being world class, set up another and hit a clearance of destiny. The future’s bright on the Welsh Wing for LRZ. When you leave Stuart Hogg for dead you know you’re quick!
30
15/02/2021 08:40:57 70 14
bbc
Agree that LRZ had a fabulous game and has great potential but don’t over hype him. Hogg was covering for his lack of winger, was moving to close down the space and had to turn on his heels when he was chipped. A foot race against an almost stationary opponent when you are at full pelt isn’t much of a comparison. I once jogged past Linford Christie in a park can I have his gold medal please ta.
239
15/02/2021 10:01:02 10 3
bbc
not sure what your point is--LRZ did the chip because he saw the space, no chip no try, instead at full pelt he saw the space, chipped it perfectly, ran on to his own ball--nice bounce I accept--and scored--it was a class try and i say that as an Englishman.
383
15/02/2021 11:00:27 3 5
bbc
Hogg was NOT covering his lack of winger- look at the pictures, and you'll see LRZ passing Van der Merwe on his way past Hogg!
912
15/02/2021 18:12:16 0 3
bbc
I don’t disagree aside from the silly point at the end, he’s absolutely burned him - and you’re showing your age referencing Linford old fruit. We don’t all throw a hip when we pivot!
31
15/02/2021 08:41:29 4 13
bbc
My Lions XV based on current form:

1 Vunipola
2 George
3 Sinkler
4 Itoje
5 Gray
6 Underhill
7 Tipuric
8 Faletau
9 Price
10 Russell
11 Van Der Merwe
12 Henshaw (this is a problem position...)
13 Slade
14 Watson
15 Hogg

Very Scottish feel to the XV at the moment! Of course this will all change by the tour - the only two players that are nailed on (barring injury) are Itoje and Hogg imo.
41
15/02/2021 08:48:54 3 3
bbc
Price wont be on plane never mind starting 15. You could make argument for Watson at 7, id have May in before VDM and id even say he is behind Adams & Stockdale (i know they haven't played but have enough in the bank already) VDM hast been that amazing if you were going on form then LRZ would be ahead of him.
53
15/02/2021 08:55:55 0 2
bbc
based on form yet no reece zammitt ? he scored vs ireland and 2 vs Scotland. Watson scored vs a perennial dreadful italy....
78
15/02/2021 09:03:32 2 2
bbc
Based on form? What form does Underhill have? He's out injured. You also have him at 6, a position he's never played for England.

Go back and start again...
89
15/02/2021 09:05:08 3 1
bbc
Why would you pick ANY English forwards?
160
Gaz
15/02/2021 09:29:56 1 1
bbc
The english pack will be mullered like they were in the wc final
18
15/02/2021 08:35:01 72 30
bbc
Nigel Owens impressed yesterday when he explained very clearly why May's "wonder try" should not have been allowed.
32
15/02/2021 08:42:12 58 59
bbc
I didn't see that but it was presumably on the basis that Zammit didn't score it.
49
15/02/2021 08:53:48 40 9
bbc
Watch yesterday's Scrum V and you'll see his explanation. He explains the difference between diving for the line (legal) and jumping to avoid a tackle (illegal)
50
PWL
15/02/2021 08:54:03 33 13
bbc
No, it was because it was illegal. You cannot jump in the air, because then no one can tackle someone in the air. Try should have been disallowed and penalty to Italy.
585
15/02/2021 13:28:33 3 4
bbc
Nigel Owens best referee the world as ever seen. Knows his stuff. I know let the forwards pick the scrum half up and carry him up the field & it's ok cos the opposition can't touch a player off the ground. There's some people on this site need to know the rules of rugby union.
21
Jon
15/02/2021 08:36:28 62 11
bbc
I've a feeling that AWJ might not make this one. There was talk of him being in it but this 6N has thrown up loads of good second row options. The Scottish locks (both Greys included) were brilliant on the weekend, Itoje played superbly as usual, Henderson and Beirne had good games and Beard put his hand up. AWJ played well but it looked a bit laboured.
33
15/02/2021 08:42:52 15 7
bbc
Gives away too many pens now for my liking and clearly isn’t as mobile round the Park
34
15/02/2021 08:43:42 41 6
bbc
Jones continues to pick the drop that are past the sell by date. Vunipola ball in hand very poor and Daly simply flawed. Willis is the future and what a talent he is. Give Simmonds a run. Drop Farrell and Youngs for good. Russell at 10 Zammit on the wing.
145
15/02/2021 09:24:08 11 2
bbc
Agree with what you said above, hope that the injury to willis isn't too severe and he isn't out for a long period. Ellis jenkins played for the 1st time in 2 years on the weekend after a knee injury so hoping its not that bad for him.
156
15/02/2021 09:28:47 2 11
bbc
Johnny May's try should have been disallowed for 2 reasons.
1. Jumping into a tackle.
2. Contact with the corner flag before grounding the ball. (When I played over 30 years ago, touching the corner flag before grounding was touch). Unless the rules have been changed I could not say, so happy to be corrected on point 2.
403
15/02/2021 11:12:25 1 1
bbc
Dalys' missed tackle was embarrassing.
492
15/02/2021 12:16:16 1 1
bbc
Agree with everything accept the “Daly simply flawed” bit. Daly is quality but playing him at FB is wasting his abilities. That’s another EJ mistake to add to a growing list.
29
15/02/2021 08:40:35 6 2
bbc
Playing at altitude is what May does best with his ability to fly over the opposition.
35
15/02/2021 08:44:10 0 1
bbc
No idea what happened in Week #1 but was miles between Saturday.
23
grg
15/02/2021 08:37:08 8 11
bbc
Farrell or Russell have been very poor no way should they be on the plane
36
15/02/2021 08:44:19 4 2
bbc
Come on - you're going to have to do better than that to wind people up! Try again :)
37
grg
15/02/2021 08:44:58 29 9
bbc
AWJ leaderships skills are clear to see. The way Farrell was arguing with the ref on Saturday was terrible
47
15/02/2021 08:52:51 25 11
bbc
AWJ and Farrell were both useless again. Jones could barely walk by the second half
63
15/02/2021 08:58:44 11 16
bbc
AWJ spent the entire match arguing every single decision with the referee. His intimidatory behaviour towards referees is a disgrace.
635
15/02/2021 14:29:20 5 2
bbc
Any player addressing the match officials with anything other than a "yes sir" or "no sir" should be taken to the side of the pitch and thrashed to within an inch of their life in my humble opinion
723
15/02/2021 15:29:37 2 2
bbc
Jones and for that matter Sexton have been weedling away at refs for years. I don't like the way any of these 3 players approach the referee - clear lack of respect and gamesmanship.
15/02/2021 19:48:23 3 2
bbc
AWJ had reverted to actually whinging at the ref on Saturday, every time he was pinged for laying over the ball or on the wrong side. He just complained and complained.
21
Jon
15/02/2021 08:36:28 62 11
bbc
I've a feeling that AWJ might not make this one. There was talk of him being in it but this 6N has thrown up loads of good second row options. The Scottish locks (both Greys included) were brilliant on the weekend, Itoje played superbly as usual, Henderson and Beirne had good games and Beard put his hand up. AWJ played well but it looked a bit laboured.
38
15/02/2021 08:46:15 14 3
bbc
As a welshman I sadly agree that he shouldn't make the first XV. However I still expect him to be on the tour to provide leadership, and possible captain the midweek XV.
167
15/02/2021 09:31:43 1 2
bbc
Agree. Also these days a Lions squad is closer to 40 players with injuries to first picks so there is room for his experience.
39
15/02/2021 08:48:23 45 36
bbc
Why is Jonny May"s "try" not being challenged. It was athletic, but illegal. The laws state that you cannot jump out of a tackle. Not only is it dangerous, but does not allow the opposition to tackle the player as he is in the air. Penalty to Italy
56
15/02/2021 08:56:33 16 47
bbc
No it wasn’t. Please leave your anti English bigotry in the valleys, where it belongs,
59
15/02/2021 08:57:07 7 14
bbc
Anti English nonsense.
60
15/02/2021 08:57:07 14 11
bbc
You sound like that Welsh ref who's just retired!! TBF, May's acrobatics should not be penalised, he IS entitled to go airborne to score a try, but not to avoid a tackle, I respectfully submit he was in the act of scoring a try as much as avoiding a tackle so the try stands, and for rugby's sake, so it should.
65
15/02/2021 08:59:07 5 9
bbc
You can't jump into a tackle. But May didn't do that.
69
15/02/2021 09:00:04 8 7
bbc
The rules don't actually say that. It can be penalised if it is dangerous, but it wasn't. May timed that jump to perfection.
77
15/02/2021 09:02:42 7 5
bbc
When you’re going for the try line it’s ok to jump
88
15/02/2021 09:04:53 14 4
bbc
Wrong. A player cannot jump out of a tackle in open play. A player can dive for the line, and many do. So get over it.
92
15/02/2021 09:05:49 4 3
bbc
They talked about this on commentary. I thought the same as you. But apparently if you are diving for a try it is OK. If you look at it the other way around - May dives for a try and is taken out in the air - result - penalty try. So it does make some sense.
99
15/02/2021 09:07:34 4 4
bbc
He was diving to score a try which is legal. The ITV commentator commented about it.
113
15/02/2021 09:12:44 2 2
bbc
have a look at the 3rd try took, English players pulled the Italian players out of the scrum and then Curry sealed them off so they couldn't join the defense. Then England take a tap. Clear penalty to Italy.
134
15/02/2021 09:18:59 6 4
bbc
He didnt jump out of a tackle. The tackler wasnt in front of him or even touching him alongside when JM jumped.
199
15/02/2021 09:40:13 4 4
bbc
The game has passed now, and the try was given. Technically though May Jumped up bringing his knees up, and technically it wasn’t a dive. A dive would be more horizontal and hands first...
452
15/02/2021 11:45:13 2 2
bbc
Its down to interpretation. Looks great but its bound to be discussed by referees before the next game. Just like the crocodile tackle on Willis. To me both illegal because its an unfair contest, but hell I only refereed for 15 years. There'll be a change for sure.
602
15/02/2021 13:43:55 0 3
bbc
The Referee should never be allowed to take charge of an international again. He doesn't know the rules??????????????????????
721
15/02/2021 15:26:53 1 1
bbc
nearly but not quite. The law was changed 2 years ago. the only time you can jump out of the tackle is in the process of diving to score a try. perfectly legal.
742
15/02/2021 15:39:39 1 1
bbc
Check the papers try awarded
825
15/02/2021 16:50:14 0 2
bbc
May is overrated anyway goes missing in the big matches. Did nothing against Scotland and Cheslin Kolbe ran rings around him in the World Cup final
15/02/2021 23:10:29 0 1
bbc
Salty!
18
15/02/2021 08:35:01 72 30
bbc
Nigel Owens impressed yesterday when he explained very clearly why May's "wonder try" should not have been allowed.
40
15/02/2021 08:48:35 14 29
bbc
No because May jumped up BEFORE any tackler initiated so therefore it did stand. Best try I've ever seen, too.
243
15/02/2021 10:04:24 10 11
bbc
If you know the laws of the game the attacker going for a try must not do anything to stop the defender having a chance of tackling the attacker as the Italian went to tackle may his red bull kicked in and have him wings try should have been disallowed pen to Italy
31
15/02/2021 08:41:29 4 13
bbc
My Lions XV based on current form:

1 Vunipola
2 George
3 Sinkler
4 Itoje
5 Gray
6 Underhill
7 Tipuric
8 Faletau
9 Price
10 Russell
11 Van Der Merwe
12 Henshaw (this is a problem position...)
13 Slade
14 Watson
15 Hogg

Very Scottish feel to the XV at the moment! Of course this will all change by the tour - the only two players that are nailed on (barring injury) are Itoje and Hogg imo.
41
15/02/2021 08:48:54 3 3
bbc
Price wont be on plane never mind starting 15. You could make argument for Watson at 7, id have May in before VDM and id even say he is behind Adams & Stockdale (i know they haven't played but have enough in the bank already) VDM hast been that amazing if you were going on form then LRZ would be ahead of him.
12
15/02/2021 08:32:22 49 3
bbc
Been discussing Ali Price as a possible lion among friends for a short while. There is a lack of genuine quality at 9 among any of the British/Irish nations, so he has a chance. Overall feeling though is that his decision making sometimes lets him down. For example, kicking away possession in the last two minutes on Saturday was a poor choice.
42
15/02/2021 08:49:30 20 7
bbc
Yeh he's good, Robson is in with a shout as well
168
15/02/2021 09:31:49 1 3
bbc
I thought Price didn’t perform as well as his team mates against England but his kick for Graham’s try was excellent. Mixed bag for all scrum halves. Wales’ best scrum half (Webb) isn’t even in the squad. Randall won’t get a shot by England. Not sure there is an outstanding 9 at the moment. Maybe Murray gets the nod with a pacier 9 on the bench.
15/02/2021 19:34:15 1 2
bbc
Did anyone watch Robson against Scotland ?? He came on and was worse than Youngs had been, knock on, missed passes and slow. Cant understand why everyone likes him. Club form is not the same as international games.
43
15/02/2021 08:50:11 10 2
bbc
LRZ had a fantastic game on Saturday. Let's wait and see when some team specifically targets him constantly. The nature of Sport is, plaudits one week, pelters the next.
I can't see the Bok forwards being overly worried on the evidence seen so far in the 6N so far!
79
15/02/2021 09:03:33 4 2
bbc
The lad is an amazing speedster for sure, but I''ll reserve judgement until I've seen him put under pressure defensively, that part of the game is just as important.
95
KW
15/02/2021 09:06:51 3 1
bbc
LRZ has been playing for Gloucester for 18 months, the youngest ever player in the Premiership. No team has ever been able to target him specifically.
126
15/02/2021 09:16:44 2 3
bbc
If he stands up to England maybe but Watson and May are class...
131
Gaz
15/02/2021 09:18:12 0 1
bbc
The boks havent played test rugby so if the lions did tour in late july i reckon the first test could go the lions way
1
15/02/2021 08:20:35 201 22
bbc
NOT OWEN FARRELL! Finn Russell for Lions 10!
44
15/02/2021 08:51:04 10 23
bbc
Russell got shown up against Wales, proved again he can't string more than 1 good game together.
282
15/02/2021 10:18:58 14 5
bbc
I agree. Russell can be inspirational, and does things with the ball that few other 10s can. However, he also makes too many mistakes, throws too many interceptions to start for the Lions imo. That said, the competition for 10 is a little limited at the moment, so he may get the nod. Farrell shouldn’t even be starting for England for example.
45
15/02/2021 08:52:07 1 24
bbc
I think at the moment people are generally paying themselves out of the tour (not that there will be one).

PoM and ZF obviously out
Farrell
AWJ,
Russell
Hogg
Youngs
Healey all showing their age and lack of form, amongst others

Positives, back 3 of LRZ, May and Watson is scary.

Itoje to Captain, as currently probably the only certain name on the team sheet.
52
15/02/2021 08:55:04 4 2
bbc
Hogg and Russell on that list? Please explain?
64
15/02/2021 08:59:02 6 2
bbc
lols AWJ was close to MoM last week, Russell has been good and Hogg outstanding so far. Interested to know which games you've been watching.
87
15/02/2021 09:04:51 4 3
bbc
Hogg?? Ridiculous
91
15/02/2021 09:05:40 3 1
bbc
Hogg playing himself out of contention, what games have you been watching?
165
Gaz
15/02/2021 09:31:08 1 3
bbc
Dont putva fledgeling captain against the boks, its suicide
18
15/02/2021 08:35:01 72 30
bbc
Nigel Owens impressed yesterday when he explained very clearly why May's "wonder try" should not have been allowed.
46
15/02/2021 08:52:31 22 7
bbc
I was surprised it was given as jumping to avoid a tackle is not allowed and as NO said, that he is what he did and not dive over the line which is allowed.
37
grg
15/02/2021 08:44:58 29 9
bbc
AWJ leaderships skills are clear to see. The way Farrell was arguing with the ref on Saturday was terrible
47
15/02/2021 08:52:51 25 11
bbc
AWJ and Farrell were both useless again. Jones could barely walk by the second half
143
Gaz
15/02/2021 09:23:30 13 4
bbc
I am guessing that you didnt see the game. Awj made endless tackless and was also sprinting down the field at pace before going off with about 10 minutes to go. The captain needs to talk to the ref.
821
15/02/2021 16:46:31 2 2
bbc
AWJ useless on Saturday hahaha yeah right ok you know you’re stuff you do
18
15/02/2021 08:35:01 72 30
bbc
Nigel Owens impressed yesterday when he explained very clearly why May's "wonder try" should not have been allowed.
48
15/02/2021 08:53:36 20 72
bbc
Owens’s anti English bigotry is well known. I’d take what he says with a pinch of salt.
238
15/02/2021 10:00:44 6 10
bbc
Anti English absolute rubbish then you're anti Welsh
799
15/02/2021 16:25:52 0 1
bbc
rubbish talk.
32
15/02/2021 08:42:12 58 59
bbc
I didn't see that but it was presumably on the basis that Zammit didn't score it.
49
15/02/2021 08:53:48 40 9
bbc
Watch yesterday's Scrum V and you'll see his explanation. He explains the difference between diving for the line (legal) and jumping to avoid a tackle (illegal)
32
15/02/2021 08:42:12 58 59
bbc
I didn't see that but it was presumably on the basis that Zammit didn't score it.
50
PWL
15/02/2021 08:54:03 33 13
bbc
No, it was because it was illegal. You cannot jump in the air, because then no one can tackle someone in the air. Try should have been disallowed and penalty to Italy.
73
15/02/2021 09:02:02 21 24
bbc
I think you'll find you are allowed to dive for the line when the line is in reach. This is completely different to jumping in the midfield.
75
15/02/2021 09:02:20 31 24
bbc
"No, it was because it was illegal."

It was given because it was legal. A player is alowed to dive in order to avoid a defending player whilst in the act of scoring. May went higher than most i've seen, but it was legal. You are not allowed to 'jump' tackles in open play.

This decision could have gone either way, and was a matter of interpretation. The fact it was allowed just upsets you.
162
15/02/2021 09:30:15 15 17
bbc
He jumps and lands on the line... is that not the same as diving for the line? If he landed short of the line and then reached out to place the ball then its illegal as would have been jumping the tackle. Disappointed with Nige, he usually favours the attacking team. Incredible skill and stuff we want to see.
174
15/02/2021 09:34:06 8 2
bbc
I seem to recall Sam Underhill tackling some welsh player diving for the and knocking him into touch
640
15/02/2021 14:30:59 2 2
bbc
But it wasn't as ref gave the try. End of argument as NO knows!
28
15/02/2021 08:40:16 7 4
bbc
Smith had another blinder, I'm sure Simmonds did too but did not see the Exeter game. At the moment hard to see many English players making a case for Lions - but then the other home nations have been pretty poor too
51
15/02/2021 08:54:09 3 2
bbc
He scored 2 tries.. not sure what he needs to do to be given a chance.
391
15/02/2021 11:03:59 4 7
bbc
Russell had a poor game behind a dominant pack against England. Better this week but pretty average
45
15/02/2021 08:52:07 1 24
bbc
I think at the moment people are generally paying themselves out of the tour (not that there will be one).

PoM and ZF obviously out
Farrell
AWJ,
Russell
Hogg
Youngs
Healey all showing their age and lack of form, amongst others

Positives, back 3 of LRZ, May and Watson is scary.

Itoje to Captain, as currently probably the only certain name on the team sheet.
52
15/02/2021 08:55:04 4 2
bbc
Hogg and Russell on that list? Please explain?
100
15/02/2021 09:08:04 2 8
bbc
Easy, Hogg simply can't defend, and Russell is a liability, as was seen at the weekend
31
15/02/2021 08:41:29 4 13
bbc
My Lions XV based on current form:

1 Vunipola
2 George
3 Sinkler
4 Itoje
5 Gray
6 Underhill
7 Tipuric
8 Faletau
9 Price
10 Russell
11 Van Der Merwe
12 Henshaw (this is a problem position...)
13 Slade
14 Watson
15 Hogg

Very Scottish feel to the XV at the moment! Of course this will all change by the tour - the only two players that are nailed on (barring injury) are Itoje and Hogg imo.
53
15/02/2021 08:55:55 0 2
bbc
based on form yet no reece zammitt ? he scored vs ireland and 2 vs Scotland. Watson scored vs a perennial dreadful italy....
23
grg
15/02/2021 08:37:08 8 11
bbc
Farrell or Russell have been very poor no way should they be on the plane
54
15/02/2021 08:56:13 0 2
bbc
finn Russell ??? you crazy
348
15/02/2021 10:43:05 1 1
bbc
Flashes of brilliance but his error count is far too high for Gatland. Once the oppostion gets into his head he becomes very ordinary. Although he scored against England I thought he was poor. I would like to see Hogg play more at 10.
4
15/02/2021 08:24:25 25 16
bbc
Every once in a while a player comes along and lights up the game. We had it with the likes Jona Lomu, Brian O'Driscoll and Dan Carter. By any measure they entertained and played with guile, cunning and had a swagger of greatness. The young lad Louis Rees-Zammit is the new kid on the block and is sheer class. He is a lethal attacking force with breathtaking pace. A Lion in waiting.
55
-_-
15/02/2021 08:56:24 28 7
bbc
He's had a good start to his career but to compare him to Lomu is laughable.
297
15/02/2021 10:21:56 3 5
bbc
He clearly wasn't
39
15/02/2021 08:48:23 45 36
bbc
Why is Jonny May"s "try" not being challenged. It was athletic, but illegal. The laws state that you cannot jump out of a tackle. Not only is it dangerous, but does not allow the opposition to tackle the player as he is in the air. Penalty to Italy
56
15/02/2021 08:56:33 16 47
bbc
No it wasn’t. Please leave your anti English bigotry in the valleys, where it belongs,
85
15/02/2021 09:04:17 5 15
bbc
It was illegal. Even a lowly referee named Nigel Owens said so and I believe he knows something about the laws of rugby.
106
15/02/2021 09:10:01 10 4
bbc
Why do you view a reasonable point of view as ant Eng bigotry... need to take a look in the mirror me thinks...
132
15/02/2021 09:18:21 4 2
bbc
Take a breathe. Both Matt Dawson and Nigel Owens have queried the decision to allow that try. Legal or not, it's a close call. My initial thoughts were it was a jump to avoid a tackle, certainly at full speed. In slow motion, it's a glorious try. It's done now, so we can move on - but don't slate people because they have a different opinion to you. That's poor form.
209
15/02/2021 09:44:34 4 4
bbc
Easy tiger! It’s a fair question as it sets precedent. The question is whether a defender can stop the attacker legally. When I saw May’s try I thought wow, but didn’t know he was allowed to jump like that. Bit of a grey area Welsh fans love the sport and as an e.g. a lot didn’t want to see Fagerson sent off. I have some sympathy with Fagerson as it was hard for him to deal with Wyn Jones legally.
823
15/02/2021 16:48:00 1 2
bbc
Yes it was totally illegal
21
Jon
15/02/2021 08:36:28 62 11
bbc
I've a feeling that AWJ might not make this one. There was talk of him being in it but this 6N has thrown up loads of good second row options. The Scottish locks (both Greys included) were brilliant on the weekend, Itoje played superbly as usual, Henderson and Beirne had good games and Beard put his hand up. AWJ played well but it looked a bit laboured.
57
15/02/2021 08:56:41 0 2
bbc
ahahaha
58
15/02/2021 08:57:05 3 8
bbc
After this week think lrz has played himself into the team, struggling with centres and no8 as no one is performing exceptionally well. Itoje and Hogg only certs

1. Vunipola
2. Cowan Dikie
3. Sinckler
4. Itoje
5. Gray
6. Underhill
7. Watson
8. Vunipola
9. T Williams
10. Russell
11. May
12. Henshaw
13. Slade
14. Lrz
15. Hogg

Subs genge, George, furlong, Ryan, tips, price, ford, Watson
71
15/02/2021 09:01:09 12 3
bbc
its rather amusing given England have been playing rubbish...and you select a team full of English players!!!

Time to wake up i'm afraid, v few of the england players have been on any great form to deserve selection, your forward select is a sure fast defeat
102
15/02/2021 09:09:07 1 1
bbc
There is no way Gatland is going to pick anyone over Tipuric or Faletau.

Hogg needs defensive support but is best going forward by a mile. Watson and May. Henshaw no longer punching holes (but great player) I can see a ringer here. I too thought Gray was awesome. Russell = gamble. Curry on form. Porter should be up there.

Struggling for 9 and 10. One may depend on the other....
154
Gaz
15/02/2021 09:28:27 0 3
bbc
Replace henshaw with Ringrose and Slade with North, watson is too small and take out 1, 3, 6 and 8, with two irishmen in the front row and possible CJ at 8 and faletau at 6.
155
15/02/2021 09:28:46 3 3
bbc
Genge, this guy is a liability and would go with Sutherland or an Irish prop. Again Slade has done nothing to justify being in the squad. BV?
220
15/02/2021 09:48:41 3 2
bbc
Billy V at 8 - You have got to be joking and your English bias is plain to see. Please take off your rose-tinted spectacles.

It is also clear that you know nothing about the front row.

Genge??? Oh please, give me strength.
39
15/02/2021 08:48:23 45 36
bbc
Why is Jonny May"s "try" not being challenged. It was athletic, but illegal. The laws state that you cannot jump out of a tackle. Not only is it dangerous, but does not allow the opposition to tackle the player as he is in the air. Penalty to Italy
59
15/02/2021 08:57:07 7 14
bbc
Anti English nonsense.
39
15/02/2021 08:48:23 45 36
bbc
Why is Jonny May"s "try" not being challenged. It was athletic, but illegal. The laws state that you cannot jump out of a tackle. Not only is it dangerous, but does not allow the opposition to tackle the player as he is in the air. Penalty to Italy
60
15/02/2021 08:57:07 14 11
bbc
You sound like that Welsh ref who's just retired!! TBF, May's acrobatics should not be penalised, he IS entitled to go airborne to score a try, but not to avoid a tackle, I respectfully submit he was in the act of scoring a try as much as avoiding a tackle so the try stands, and for rugby's sake, so it should.
61
15/02/2021 08:57:15 117 11
bbc
As a Welshman, I'm hoping Farrell gets picked at 10 to face Wales, or failing that, inside centre. He's deeply mediocre, whilst you know that, sooner or later, he's going to get sent off for violent play....
70
15/02/2021 09:00:54 16 19
bbc
He never has been
76
15/02/2021 09:02:39 16 3
bbc
Hello Dean - Farrell will complete the triple of Wales playing against 14!
136
15/02/2021 09:20:38 12 17
bbc
Funny how you don't rate OF but Gatland did and he played all the last Lions tour, but hey you know more about rugby than all the coaches that have picked him throughout his career. He is off form at moment but he will get better, so you best hope he doesn't hit form in the next game hey.
166
15/02/2021 09:31:43 20 9
bbc
Hoping to play against 14 again only hope of winning ??????
367
15/02/2021 10:51:16 3 2
bbc
He'll be first on the team-sheet. You're going to batter us.
579
15/02/2021 13:16:15 3 1
bbc
Are you hoping he'll get sent off . In the interest of fairness, wouldn't you rather play a good game of rugby against 15?
667
15/02/2021 14:45:59 0 1
bbc
Wales will certainly get him sent off
827
15/02/2021 16:51:49 1 0
bbc
Please please pick Farrell Eddie we'd love to see him in Cardiff
15/02/2021 21:14:45 0 1
bbc
OF is not mediocre and I’m Welsh too.
He’s not on form but a player of that class can just be one game from being so.

I’d rather Owen wasn’t playing!!
15/02/2021 22:58:05 1 0
bbc
Opposition down to 14 and the Welsh still only
just manage to win
19
15/02/2021 08:35:13 6 5
bbc
May had a drinker last week but was very good on Saturday
Given the opposition the centres are gonna have to be able to deal with the sheer physicality of their opposite numbers
At 9 anyone but Youngs, Davies or Murray
62
15/02/2021 08:57:58 0 1
bbc
he was very good .... against italy !!
37
grg
15/02/2021 08:44:58 29 9
bbc
AWJ leaderships skills are clear to see. The way Farrell was arguing with the ref on Saturday was terrible
63
15/02/2021 08:58:44 11 16
bbc
AWJ spent the entire match arguing every single decision with the referee. His intimidatory behaviour towards referees is a disgrace.
98
PWL
15/02/2021 09:07:33 15 4
bbc
Owen Farrell is worse.
45
15/02/2021 08:52:07 1 24
bbc
I think at the moment people are generally paying themselves out of the tour (not that there will be one).

PoM and ZF obviously out
Farrell
AWJ,
Russell
Hogg
Youngs
Healey all showing their age and lack of form, amongst others

Positives, back 3 of LRZ, May and Watson is scary.

Itoje to Captain, as currently probably the only certain name on the team sheet.
64
15/02/2021 08:59:02 6 2
bbc
lols AWJ was close to MoM last week, Russell has been good and Hogg outstanding so far. Interested to know which games you've been watching.
82
15/02/2021 09:04:00 5 5
bbc
The way he was blowing out of his arse when he came off , AWJ would struggle to get up the steps to the plane
39
15/02/2021 08:48:23 45 36
bbc
Why is Jonny May"s "try" not being challenged. It was athletic, but illegal. The laws state that you cannot jump out of a tackle. Not only is it dangerous, but does not allow the opposition to tackle the player as he is in the air. Penalty to Italy
65
15/02/2021 08:59:07 5 9
bbc
You can't jump into a tackle. But May didn't do that.
66
15/02/2021 08:59:29 21 4
bbc
LRZ was incredible on Sat., but defensively not quite there yet imo - future Lion for sure though. Plus very similar skill set to May.

VDM is similar in D, but different to all other wingers we have, so higher up in consideration for me.

9 is an area of concern - I'm Scottish and not a big fan of Price, but currently - who else is there! Many out of form / not playing.
81
15/02/2021 09:03:59 8 22
bbc
I agree, classic armchair fans...LRZ plays 2 games and he's worldclass, load of nonsense!!

VDM is more experienced & has more than just speed to his game, LRZ's current limitations, so VDM ahead in my view also

You're right in that there is no genuine outstanding 9 anywhere, on forms also there is no outstanding 10 either but it will be Russell at this stage but he still doesnt play 80mins well
93
15/02/2021 09:06:01 1 2
bbc
If EJ actually played the best 9 in England - Harry Randall, we might see a candidate.
96
4o7
15/02/2021 09:07:20 3 2
bbc
It's a pity Tomos Williams got injured, plenty of good judges were saying him. Antoine Dupont doesn't have an Irish granny does he?
124
15/02/2021 09:16:06 4 2
bbc
I would take LRZ. Hes an X-factor player. Last quarter man ?
67
15/02/2021 09:00:01 133 4
bbc
The fact that the European player of the year Sam Simmonds doesn't get near the squad is a total disgrace on Eddie Jones part, both Simmonds and Dombrandt are outperforming Billy V week in, week out.
138
15/02/2021 09:20:47 60 74
bbc
"Louis Rees-Zammit for the Lions" mentions are ABSURD, quite frankly!
Wonderful attacking talent, but a long way to go developmentally, defensively in particular, before he can be considered for anything more than possibly being a water boy for the Lions tour of SA.
Do not rush the lad, or he will burn brightly, but briefly like a Flintoff. Contain your excitement, you'll be giving him an MBE next
290
15/02/2021 10:20:20 6 17
bbc
Just because he performs well for club, doesn't mean he will for country too. Alex Goode was European player of the year but was awful in an England shirt.
451
15/02/2021 11:43:50 11 0
bbc
Billy is a liability and against Safas will be anonymous as he isn't bigger than them.
465
15/02/2021 11:53:18 6 1
bbc
Have to agree Simmonds is a fantastic player to watch and a team player. I can not think of any other sport that would ignore it's best player in stats for international selection. Ireland have done the same with John Cooney at scrum half. He was top points scorer in European rugby last season and is currently top points scorer in the Pro 12. Connor Murray always gets the nod.
601
15/02/2021 13:43:01 4 0
bbc
Simmonds, Armand and Ewers have had the better of most teams over the last several years and are all artists of the driving maul. None of them were given a look-in by Eddie, even when they had the better of Sarries in the back row over the last few years. Too late for Armand and Ewers now, but Simmonds is in his prime - he's a machine. an athlete and a phenomenon. Gatland should give him a chance!
15/02/2021 20:04:46 0 0
bbc
From a Scotsman...you are 100% correct!
AB
16/02/2021 09:50:32 0 0
bbc
Totally agree...
BV hasn't been the same player from when he stormed onto the scene... either all those injuries have taken the edge off, teams are reading him or as further up...EJ has him doing a diff role ...with perhaps Underhill and Curry now being the main protagonists...?
2
15/02/2021 08:21:09 30 8
bbc
L R-Z was incredible. Thank goodness he's Welsh!!
68
15/02/2021 09:00:04 20 11
bbc
He was excellent, but for Jiffy to try and credit him for the disallowed Scotland try was frankly ridiculous.
272
15/02/2021 10:16:45 8 13
bbc
At least Guscott took him to task over it. Jonathan Davies isn't fit to be a pundit or a commentator.

Far too partisan, no one can never do anything wrong in a red shirt, he was a decidedly average player and is an even less than average pundit.
39
15/02/2021 08:48:23 45 36
bbc
Why is Jonny May"s "try" not being challenged. It was athletic, but illegal. The laws state that you cannot jump out of a tackle. Not only is it dangerous, but does not allow the opposition to tackle the player as he is in the air. Penalty to Italy
69
15/02/2021 09:00:04 8 7
bbc
The rules don't actually say that. It can be penalised if it is dangerous, but it wasn't. May timed that jump to perfection.
61
15/02/2021 08:57:15 117 11
bbc
As a Welshman, I'm hoping Farrell gets picked at 10 to face Wales, or failing that, inside centre. He's deeply mediocre, whilst you know that, sooner or later, he's going to get sent off for violent play....
70
15/02/2021 09:00:54 16 19
bbc
He never has been
94
15/02/2021 09:06:14 7 1
bbc
yet
189
15/02/2021 09:37:42 8 10
bbc
Should have... so let's see if karma catches up with him.
211
15/02/2021 09:45:48 21 1
bbc
In fact he was sent off v Quins in the autumn and received a 5 week ban.
232
15/02/2021 09:57:39 7 2
bbc
Did you mean to say he's a has been ????
385
15/02/2021 11:02:43 2 1
bbc
Yes he has 5 weeks suspension!!
649
15/02/2021 14:36:06 3 0
bbc
Yes but Farralls form had tanked since last Autumn. His contributions get less and less and of poor quality. Time to rest him until he's back playing week in week out then think about him again. In his present state of mind he's no good in the team!!
784
15/02/2021 16:16:11 1 1
bbc
Always a first; and Mr Red Card has been Wales' most consistent player
58
15/02/2021 08:57:05 3 8
bbc
After this week think lrz has played himself into the team, struggling with centres and no8 as no one is performing exceptionally well. Itoje and Hogg only certs

1. Vunipola
2. Cowan Dikie
3. Sinckler
4. Itoje
5. Gray
6. Underhill
7. Watson
8. Vunipola
9. T Williams
10. Russell
11. May
12. Henshaw
13. Slade
14. Lrz
15. Hogg

Subs genge, George, furlong, Ryan, tips, price, ford, Watson
71
15/02/2021 09:01:09 12 3
bbc
its rather amusing given England have been playing rubbish...and you select a team full of English players!!!

Time to wake up i'm afraid, v few of the england players have been on any great form to deserve selection, your forward select is a sure fast defeat
111
15/02/2021 09:12:01 0 2
bbc
I don’t think anyone can say those England players selected are off form except billy, have billy and faletau toss up at the moment neither on the form we know they can play with and no one else really putting a hand up at international level it’s a hard choice. But don’t think there is anyone else better atm
245
15/02/2021 10:05:11 2 3
bbc
But who has been in good form? Other than France, every team has been complete dreck. Wales can’t win without a numerical advantage and Ireland are a basket case. The only team that really looks any good is Scotland.
72
15/02/2021 09:01:59 3 15
bbc
My lions team at the moment on form would be:
1. Mako
2. Cowan-Dickie
3. Sinkler
4. Itoje
5. Gray
6. Underhill
7. Curry
8. Simmonds/ CJ Stander
9. ? No stand out for me
10. Russell
11. Rees-Zammit
12. Redpath
13. Slade
14. Watson
15. Hogg

I know everyone has there own ideas, maybe mine is a bit light weight in the backs but really slick and fast.
80
15/02/2021 09:03:48 2 3
bbc
Redpath has one cap.
118
15/02/2021 09:13:40 0 3
bbc
I think Porter put in a show yesterday to challenge Sinkler at tighthead and it's too early to pick LRZ as a Lion until his defensive qualities have been examined.
119
15/02/2021 09:14:00 2 2
bbc
Curry is way down the 7 list the mo.
Tipuric, Watson & Underhill for starters. Underhill because he has more credit in the bank & TC hasn't really shone yet. Early days though - still time for him to be overtaken by a few more
122
15/02/2021 09:15:17 0 1
bbc
not sure about Redpath!!! Slade as well ! Hard to disagree on no stand out 9 and also the other 12 you mentioned
149
Gaz
15/02/2021 09:24:44 0 1
bbc
Take out the englush and the scots and it looks about right.
150
15/02/2021 09:25:23 0 1
bbc
Curry down the pecking order, both Watson and Tipuric ahead of him.
Not sure what Slade has done, Ringrose, Henshaw and Harris ahead based on 6N performances.
50
PWL
15/02/2021 08:54:03 33 13
bbc
No, it was because it was illegal. You cannot jump in the air, because then no one can tackle someone in the air. Try should have been disallowed and penalty to Italy.
73
15/02/2021 09:02:02 21 24
bbc
I think you'll find you are allowed to dive for the line when the line is in reach. This is completely different to jumping in the midfield.
153
15/02/2021 09:28:02 18 3
bbc
Surely you see this is a difficult argument? Was an Italian defender entitled to tackle him while he was in the air as you can when others are diving closer to the ground? If so, who would have been liable if either one of them was injured as a consequence?
539
15/02/2021 12:44:40 2 4
bbc
Yes, but he didn't dive for the line, he dived over the line of the tackler.
74
15/02/2021 09:02:14 4 1
bbc
From an Irish perspective I’m a bit disappointed there’s not at least a mention of an Irish player in this the last 2 weeks - we played 60 mins with 14 men last week, a few very good performances even though we were pipped to the post (Beirne, Henshaw to name a few) and dominated the first half against a very good french team yesterday, I admit we didn’t deserve anything out of the game in the end
328
15/02/2021 10:35:59 3 1
bbc
I think dominating the first half against France is a bit of a stretch when you were down at half time - 3-10.

Ireland look toothless in attack. Only a flukey try and France missing an easy kick made it a 2 point game.

Of course with Andy Farrell as head coach it's no surprise the Irish attack is currently looking a bit pedestrian. Him and his son share that trait at the moment!
15/02/2021 20:18:58 0 0
bbc
Porter, Henderson, Stander
50
PWL
15/02/2021 08:54:03 33 13
bbc
No, it was because it was illegal. You cannot jump in the air, because then no one can tackle someone in the air. Try should have been disallowed and penalty to Italy.
75
15/02/2021 09:02:20 31 24
bbc
"No, it was because it was illegal."

It was given because it was legal. A player is alowed to dive in order to avoid a defending player whilst in the act of scoring. May went higher than most i've seen, but it was legal. You are not allowed to 'jump' tackles in open play.

This decision could have gone either way, and was a matter of interpretation. The fact it was allowed just upsets you.
255
15/02/2021 10:09:38 10 12
bbc
Don't know what rule book you're reading in no way did may dive he jumped in the air to avoid the tackler therefore not giving the defender any chance to tackle him try should not have stood
850
Lee
15/02/2021 17:10:23 0 1
bbc
That is the point, it is very much open to interpretation. All I can think is that because he places the ball over the try line the officials have interpreted it as diving for the line.

However the call could easily be made to it was no try and a penalty because he jumped to avoid the tackle!

Very difficult to give a definitive answer for that one, to be honest.
16/02/2021 19:22:48 0 0
bbc
He jumped in the air, did not dive for the line. Any schoolboy interested in RU, could tell you it is illegal.
61
15/02/2021 08:57:15 117 11
bbc
As a Welshman, I'm hoping Farrell gets picked at 10 to face Wales, or failing that, inside centre. He's deeply mediocre, whilst you know that, sooner or later, he's going to get sent off for violent play....
76
15/02/2021 09:02:39 16 3
bbc
Hello Dean - Farrell will complete the triple of Wales playing against 14!
39
15/02/2021 08:48:23 45 36
bbc
Why is Jonny May"s "try" not being challenged. It was athletic, but illegal. The laws state that you cannot jump out of a tackle. Not only is it dangerous, but does not allow the opposition to tackle the player as he is in the air. Penalty to Italy
77
15/02/2021 09:02:42 7 5
bbc
When you’re going for the try line it’s ok to jump
31
15/02/2021 08:41:29 4 13
bbc
My Lions XV based on current form:

1 Vunipola
2 George
3 Sinkler
4 Itoje
5 Gray
6 Underhill
7 Tipuric
8 Faletau
9 Price
10 Russell
11 Van Der Merwe
12 Henshaw (this is a problem position...)
13 Slade
14 Watson
15 Hogg

Very Scottish feel to the XV at the moment! Of course this will all change by the tour - the only two players that are nailed on (barring injury) are Itoje and Hogg imo.
78
15/02/2021 09:03:32 2 2
bbc
Based on form? What form does Underhill have? He's out injured. You also have him at 6, a position he's never played for England.

Go back and start again...
43
15/02/2021 08:50:11 10 2
bbc
LRZ had a fantastic game on Saturday. Let's wait and see when some team specifically targets him constantly. The nature of Sport is, plaudits one week, pelters the next.
I can't see the Bok forwards being overly worried on the evidence seen so far in the 6N so far!
79
15/02/2021 09:03:33 4 2
bbc
The lad is an amazing speedster for sure, but I''ll reserve judgement until I've seen him put under pressure defensively, that part of the game is just as important.
72
15/02/2021 09:01:59 3 15
bbc
My lions team at the moment on form would be:
1. Mako
2. Cowan-Dickie
3. Sinkler
4. Itoje
5. Gray
6. Underhill
7. Curry
8. Simmonds/ CJ Stander
9. ? No stand out for me
10. Russell
11. Rees-Zammit
12. Redpath
13. Slade
14. Watson
15. Hogg

I know everyone has there own ideas, maybe mine is a bit light weight in the backs but really slick and fast.
80
15/02/2021 09:03:48 2 3
bbc
Redpath has one cap.
66
15/02/2021 08:59:29 21 4
bbc
LRZ was incredible on Sat., but defensively not quite there yet imo - future Lion for sure though. Plus very similar skill set to May.

VDM is similar in D, but different to all other wingers we have, so higher up in consideration for me.

9 is an area of concern - I'm Scottish and not a big fan of Price, but currently - who else is there! Many out of form / not playing.
81
15/02/2021 09:03:59 8 22
bbc
I agree, classic armchair fans...LRZ plays 2 games and he's worldclass, load of nonsense!!

VDM is more experienced & has more than just speed to his game, LRZ's current limitations, so VDM ahead in my view also

You're right in that there is no genuine outstanding 9 anywhere, on forms also there is no outstanding 10 either but it will be Russell at this stage but he still doesnt play 80mins well
125
Gaz
15/02/2021 09:16:36 7 4
bbc
The added bonus is that VDM will know the pitches well when going home.
185
15/02/2021 09:36:46 3 1
bbc
I agree on games so far. Before the 6Ns had started I didn't think he was ready for test match rugby but LRZ's improvement has been immense. Some work to do in defence yes, always,... but that 50m kick out of defence shows the confidence and the skill-set is there to be polished.
201
Imo
15/02/2021 09:41:22 6 3
bbc
LRZ made VDM look like a prop when he scored his 2nd try, left him for dead!
598
15/02/2021 13:37:50 1 2
bbc
Why don't you just say put the 15 scots in lions test team. This is just another false dawn.wake up
64
15/02/2021 08:59:02 6 2
bbc
lols AWJ was close to MoM last week, Russell has been good and Hogg outstanding so far. Interested to know which games you've been watching.
82
15/02/2021 09:04:00 5 5
bbc
The way he was blowing out of his arse when he came off , AWJ would struggle to get up the steps to the plane
83
Ben
15/02/2021 09:04:08 24 1
bbc
Vunipola B should not start for England, let alone the Lions. He's overweight and unfit and has not performed well for some time now.
507
15/02/2021 12:21:45 7 0
bbc
Including in the WC Final V SAFFA
16/02/2021 06:54:40 0 0
bbc
simmonds is way ahead of him. fagerson coming onto a game. jones keeping his favourites to the detriment of england team .
84
Bob
15/02/2021 09:04:16 18 2
bbc
Would love for Sam Simmonds and Marcus Smith to be involved.

Could Gats bypass Eddie the Ego?

I can dream.
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4o7
15/02/2021 09:09:45 5 2
bbc
I think Dave Ewers virtually comes as a pair with Simmonds. Even though he's really Zimbabwean, he's massively strong.
813
15/02/2021 16:41:02 0 0
bbc
Who?
56
15/02/2021 08:56:33 16 47
bbc
No it wasn’t. Please leave your anti English bigotry in the valleys, where it belongs,
85
15/02/2021 09:04:17 5 15
bbc
It was illegal. Even a lowly referee named Nigel Owens said so and I believe he knows something about the laws of rugby.
16/02/2021 13:53:30 0 1
bbc
Think this is the sort of thing that proves he was right to retire!
86
PWL
15/02/2021 09:04:31 45 4
bbc
Let's hope Willis recovers quickly. It was horrific and you could hear him scream in genuine agony: unlike the likes of Fernandes, Kane, Salah who scream at the faintest of touches (without crowd noise you would swear you were listening to people having their fingernails pulled out watching football.)
107
15/02/2021 09:10:10 7 78
bbc
If you don't like football, don't watch it, but keep your irrelevant comments to yourself on a rugby site!
45
15/02/2021 08:52:07 1 24
bbc
I think at the moment people are generally paying themselves out of the tour (not that there will be one).

PoM and ZF obviously out
Farrell
AWJ,
Russell
Hogg
Youngs
Healey all showing their age and lack of form, amongst others

Positives, back 3 of LRZ, May and Watson is scary.

Itoje to Captain, as currently probably the only certain name on the team sheet.
87
15/02/2021 09:04:51 4 3
bbc
Hogg?? Ridiculous
39
15/02/2021 08:48:23 45 36
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Why is Jonny May"s "try" not being challenged. It was athletic, but illegal. The laws state that you cannot jump out of a tackle. Not only is it dangerous, but does not allow the opposition to tackle the player as he is in the air. Penalty to Italy
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15/02/2021 09:04:53 14 4
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Wrong. A player cannot jump out of a tackle in open play. A player can dive for the line, and many do. So get over it.
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15/02/2021 08:41:29 4 13
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My Lions XV based on current form:

1 Vunipola
2 George
3 Sinkler
4 Itoje
5 Gray
6 Underhill
7 Tipuric
8 Faletau
9 Price
10 Russell
11 Van Der Merwe
12 Henshaw (this is a problem position...)
13 Slade
14 Watson
15 Hogg

Very Scottish feel to the XV at the moment! Of course this will all change by the tour - the only two players that are nailed on (barring injury) are Itoje and Hogg imo.
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15/02/2021 09:05:08 3 1
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Why would you pick ANY English forwards?
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15/02/2021 08:31:20 114 9
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Farrell offers nothing except place kicking (even his captaincy skills are limited) and that does not justify a Lions place: I am an England supporter.
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Bob
15/02/2021 09:05:24 66 5
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And his place kicking has been a bit off. So he offers nothing but knock ons and bad tackling at the moment.
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15/02/2021 10:59:16 8 1
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The bad tackling has been a "feature" for a long time, about time he was pulled on it.
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15/02/2021 08:52:07 1 24
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I think at the moment people are generally paying themselves out of the tour (not that there will be one).

PoM and ZF obviously out
Farrell
AWJ,
Russell
Hogg
Youngs
Healey all showing their age and lack of form, amongst others

Positives, back 3 of LRZ, May and Watson is scary.

Itoje to Captain, as currently probably the only certain name on the team sheet.
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15/02/2021 09:05:40 3 1
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Hogg playing himself out of contention, what games have you been watching?
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15/02/2021 08:48:23 45 36
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Why is Jonny May"s "try" not being challenged. It was athletic, but illegal. The laws state that you cannot jump out of a tackle. Not only is it dangerous, but does not allow the opposition to tackle the player as he is in the air. Penalty to Italy
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15/02/2021 09:05:49 4 3
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They talked about this on commentary. I thought the same as you. But apparently if you are diving for a try it is OK. If you look at it the other way around - May dives for a try and is taken out in the air - result - penalty try. So it does make some sense.
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15/02/2021 08:59:29 21 4
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LRZ was incredible on Sat., but defensively not quite there yet imo - future Lion for sure though. Plus very similar skill set to May.

VDM is similar in D, but different to all other wingers we have, so higher up in consideration for me.

9 is an area of concern - I'm Scottish and not a big fan of Price, but currently - who else is there! Many out of form / not playing.
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15/02/2021 09:06:01 1 2
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If EJ actually played the best 9 in England - Harry Randall, we might see a candidate.
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15/02/2021 09:00:54 16 19
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He never has been
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15/02/2021 09:06:14 7 1
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yet
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15/02/2021 08:50:11 10 2
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LRZ had a fantastic game on Saturday. Let's wait and see when some team specifically targets him constantly. The nature of Sport is, plaudits one week, pelters the next.
I can't see the Bok forwards being overly worried on the evidence seen so far in the 6N so far!
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KW
15/02/2021 09:06:51 3 1
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LRZ has been playing for Gloucester for 18 months, the youngest ever player in the Premiership. No team has ever been able to target him specifically.
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15/02/2021 10:18:02 0 1
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Gloucester's youngest ever player. Not the Prems. That was Ford.
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15/02/2021 08:59:29 21 4
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LRZ was incredible on Sat., but defensively not quite there yet imo - future Lion for sure though. Plus very similar skill set to May.

VDM is similar in D, but different to all other wingers we have, so higher up in consideration for me.

9 is an area of concern - I'm Scottish and not a big fan of Price, but currently - who else is there! Many out of form / not playing.
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4o7
15/02/2021 09:07:20 3 2
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It's a pity Tomos Williams got injured, plenty of good judges were saying him. Antoine Dupont doesn't have an Irish granny does he?
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15/02/2021 08:32:20 72 6
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We're stuck in a rut with Farrell now. He's too slow and hasn't got the skills required. Blimey I know what he's going to do, let alone the other teams.
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Bob
15/02/2021 09:07:30 46 7
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We start to get a bit of momentum then it's:

Youngs slow ball

Ford obviously going to pass

Farrell stand still or kick

Must be easy to defend.
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15/02/2021 10:22:13 9 1
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At least England's backline comes alive with Ford playing, the same can't be said for Farrell...
AJM
15/02/2021 19:37:22 1 1
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Ford should pass - the difference is they are flat at space or disguised, so he creates something but really really hindered by slow ball @9 and an obvious @12

Ford, Slade and ‘Someone’ would do our game wonders!
16/02/2021 12:10:19 0 1
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Spot on. England relied on Jonny May's maverick brain to get them out of trouble against France and Ireland last year to win those trophies, without him England would have been nowhere near silverware...
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15/02/2021 08:58:44 11 16
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AWJ spent the entire match arguing every single decision with the referee. His intimidatory behaviour towards referees is a disgrace.
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PWL
15/02/2021 09:07:33 15 4
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Owen Farrell is worse.
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15/02/2021 09:22:36 6 4
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If AWJ does it it's OK but not Farrell...

Ultimately, there are enough referees touch judges tmo's to see everything so players should be encouraged to keep their mouths shut.
30 years ago it would be 10 yards and the refs saw very little so needed a strong captain to 'point' things out but now they 'see' everything. I would love to see Owens telling AWJ (and Farrell) to politely go away...
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15/02/2021 08:48:23 45 36
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Why is Jonny May"s "try" not being challenged. It was athletic, but illegal. The laws state that you cannot jump out of a tackle. Not only is it dangerous, but does not allow the opposition to tackle the player as he is in the air. Penalty to Italy
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15/02/2021 09:07:34 4 4
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He was diving to score a try which is legal. The ITV commentator commented about it.
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15/02/2021 08:55:04 4 2
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Hogg and Russell on that list? Please explain?
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15/02/2021 09:08:04 2 8
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Easy, Hogg simply can't defend, and Russell is a liability, as was seen at the weekend
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15/02/2021 09:11:01 8 1
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This guy is a Lacrosse fan
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15/02/2021 09:12:44 1 4
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Hogg is best by far ball in hand but SA will try and run over him. Need Watson and May if he picks Hogg. If he picks LRZ then Watson goes to FB (which is where I would put him for England).

My ringer for the team (or bench) is Odugwu....
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15/02/2021 09:33:17 1 3
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To all proper rugby fans, I would ignore Trytastic posts. He is a WUM and doesn’t know anything about rugby.