Covid: Virus cases are going down across the UK
12/02/2021 | news | health | 4,579
Data suggests lockdown is working, but the health secretary says there is "still a long way to go".
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12/02/2021 14:43:07 30 37
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Well done, British public. No need for us to be nagged and nannied by the government. We know what to do.

Well done, NHS.
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12/02/2021 14:44:08 10 68
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The Tory nanny state :-)
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12/02/2021 14:51:32 11 3
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Is that your rant over now?
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12/02/2021 14:51:44 13 2
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Unfortunately there have been large swathes who haven't known what to do and ignored the rules and probably prolonged things. Fortunately we have modern science and vaccines.
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12/02/2021 15:28:14 5 1
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If only this were true.
12/02/2021 16:34:27 4 0
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If the British Public had listened and done what they should, Lockdown 2 would never have been needed.
12/02/2021 23:17:45 0 0
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In TRUTH the NHS and all those who manage it FAILED US in our time of greatest need - the truth and nothing but the truth!

No more happy. claopy displays while the body count piles up!!!
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12/02/2021 14:43:50 40 9
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Well done us.
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12/02/2021 15:06:50 51 44
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The thing is we didn’t begin to use the Lockdown strategy by considered design.
The considered and practised strategy for a Pandemic was Protect the Vulnerable and allow the pathogen to run it’s course and create a herd immunity. As indeed Whitty&Valance announced in the middle of March.
However, they were panicked by Neil Ferguson’s wild report, and Political expediency (not science) won the day.
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12/02/2021 15:08:23 4 4
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But by no means everybody.
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12/02/2021 14:43:52 199 96
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Surely we can be patient for another few weeks.
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12/02/2021 14:46:17 113 240
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Nope
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12/02/2021 15:33:14 12 14
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Be patient to not be a patient.
12/02/2021 16:21:22 11 5
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That's what is needed now patience let's get all the levels down to acceptable levels first before opening up everything. Ok start with schools then wait to see how that effects the levels with all the parents chatting outside the schools without wearing masks or social distancing as they will have months of news to catch up on
12/02/2021 17:04:00 7 7
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Weeks yes. Months no. Otherwise what is the point of vaccinating the most vulnerable first?
12/02/2021 17:06:12 13 10
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Maybe you can, but many people have run out of money, cancer patients have run out of time and the private sector has run out of options. Maybe try thinking of everyone who isn't 80+ who is being impacted by the pandemic as a result of the unproportional restrictions.
12/02/2021 17:08:54 5 1
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Exactly. What's the rush?
12/02/2021 17:27:11 2 2
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Not sure where you live but in Manchester this few more weeks is nigh on a year now!
12/02/2021 18:28:37 1 2
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At the end of a few more weeks it'll turn into a few more weeks.
ME
12/02/2021 18:54:45 2 2
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Yeah great, meanwhile my daughter who had a job earning £1400 a month is now given a couple of hundred pound a month to live on by the government who say “we are all in this together” - while on full wages themselves
12/02/2021 21:02:49 0 2
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So long as it really is just a few more weeks, then yes, maybe.

But we've been here before. "12 weeks to flatten the curve." Remember that from Boris last spring?
12/02/2021 21:48:05 1 2
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This lockdown is killing people, how many funerals do you have in mind before you want the killing to stop.
13/02/2021 00:22:18 1 1
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How many times have we heard that? 6 weeks ago we were going to return to some sort of normality once the most vulnerable had been vaccinated well now they have and we are now talking about the Autumn, how many more moves of the goalposts?
13/02/2021 00:39:04 0 1
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**months
13/02/2021 02:18:12 1 0
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The people who have been patient will continue to be. The people who decided covid is a hoax so they can go to parties will continue to be covidiots.
13/02/2021 09:09:08 0 0
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Patient in what way? Its not really the point. My business is disappearing, my kids education has gone down the pan. Now is the time for action not patience. The vulnerable have been vaccinated for gods sake and as for under 50s, the death rate is ridiculously low, similar to flu.
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12/02/2021 14:44:00 513 43
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Great news, and great news that vaccine target is about to be hit. Finally some good news In this crisis. #staysafe
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kh
12/02/2021 14:51:18 54 352
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Good grief
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12/02/2021 15:04:54 68 11
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The fact some people have down voted you shows a level of ignorance and selfishness that exists in the UK it also shows why lockdown will drag on. Stay positive and thank you for your part in keeping people safe
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Raj
12/02/2021 15:16:07 54 45
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Yes great news indeed. Huge credit to Matt Hancock and everyone involved in government
12/02/2021 16:28:39 17 5
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Great news for the UK..........devastating news for the media.
bob
12/02/2021 18:14:33 11 10
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BUT - compare with Germany - their vaccination programme is lagging well behind the UK. But with a population some 20% larger they only have 60% of the cases and 60% of the deaths. That is because they dealt with the outbreak properly unlike our 'government'
13/02/2021 04:01:53 0 0
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#staysafe - the most harrowing phrase of 2020/2021. Stay safe - no practical NHS, no dentists, can’t get a doctors appointment, mental health suffering, cancers undiagnosed, cardiovascular diseases untreated, old age loneliness, education suffering, unemployment, destitution.., the list goes on, stay safe? - never felt so unsafe.
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12/02/2021 14:43:07 30 37
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Well done, British public. No need for us to be nagged and nannied by the government. We know what to do.

Well done, NHS.
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12/02/2021 14:44:08 10 68
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The Tory nanny state :-)
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12/02/2021 14:45:38 7 11
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It's funny how right wingers always used to moan about the nanny state, until a Tory govt / Covid came along.

Bless.
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12/02/2021 14:44:43 221 42
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well dont blame the wife and i as we are still prisoners at home and not seen the kids for 15 months
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12/02/2021 14:56:16 178 41
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Thanks for taking it seriously. Your sacrifices may have saved a life or 2. Would consider outdoor meetings at distance when allowed to again in garden or similar. Need to keep the soul happy as well as our body.
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kh
12/02/2021 14:50:55 4 19
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That serves you right for being able to host an infectious disease, Matt Hancock said so
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No, you are not "prisoners".

Your kids are probably dreading it ending.
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12/02/2021 16:04:12 14 0
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Why 15 months?
12/02/2021 16:20:17 10 8
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Many of us have not seen our children since Christmas 2019. Viewing it as being prisoners in our own home is harsh in the sense that we are all in that boat - locked down at home except for essential reasons - and "prisoners at home" has a sense of "punishment" about it. We are "confined" for sure but so many are in a far worse position than many of us are at this time. We have "hope".
12/02/2021 17:35:36 0 4
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No one forces you to stay at home!
12/02/2021 18:17:01 0 3
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What a shame,their parents have had to look after them themselves,boo hoo for them.
stu
12/02/2021 18:21:01 2 1
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Why were your kids blanking you in late 2019?
12/02/2021 19:43:14 1 0
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Think yourself lucky
12/02/2021 22:41:22 0 1
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At least you have the company of your wife, I'm all on my own so quit moaning
13/02/2021 00:34:29 1 0
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Get them on a Skype call and you can see them. Easy.
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12/02/2021 14:44:48 63 42
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Good news, but quite a gradual fall.
We really have to question whether the benefits of lockdown outweigh the massive costs, both financially and to ourselves as humans.
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12/02/2021 14:54:20 9 5
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Not if they're done late as possible then drag on
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12/02/2021 14:56:14 8 5
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If we want rates to fall quicker, we need to isolate more.

The UK with it's open borders, its weak restrictions ( my own area tier 1 saw case nos doubling every 9d for 2m before last NLD) has suffered for longer and with more deaths etc as a consequence.

Weak measures, weak govt, weak enforcement all have a cost.

Toughest nations near normal, UK 120k+ deaths and back in NLD again 11 months in.
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12/02/2021 15:05:27 2 1
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Hanging in there!
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12/02/2021 15:22:17 1 1
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We should question it - and we should quickly conclude "yes, absolutely".
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12/02/2021 15:25:33 3 2
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Yes there comes a point when there has to be a balance but not now. If we come out of lockdown now the NHS may still be overwhelmed and many more people would die. The Kent variant has caused this lockdown, vaccination is the way out. Yes we are suffering financially and emotionally but hopefully we will still be alive when the virus comes under control.
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12/02/2021 14:44:54 10 17
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how are the eu doing by the way, normally bbc do comps all the time
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12/02/2021 14:48:01 5 13
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British exceptionalism, right ?

100,000 deaths.
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12/02/2021 14:48:24 4 4
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Pretty well, Germany for example 700 deaths per million. UK 1700.

Probably why they could take their time over vaccine approval rather than rush it in desperation.
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12/02/2021 14:44:56 294 20
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Not only is infections going down good (they've fallen around 300k over last the 2 weeks in ONS surveys), but as we vaccinate more, plus more treatments become available (like tocilizumab announced yesterday), the less concerning future rises in infections will be when we eventually open up again, as serious illness, hospitalisations and deaths are all less likely, thus lower overall risk.
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12/02/2021 14:48:24 64 317
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I would like to dispute everything you said but BBC will delete my comment.
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GH
12/02/2021 15:33:06 4 10
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......as long as we are lucky with mutations.
12/02/2021 16:28:45 8 3
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It is a hopeful situation. We must also be aware that the "new norm" of "social distancing" and "wearing a face mask the moment we feel a bit poorly" ought to be a serious consideration going forward.
The incidence of seasonal flu coincidentally looks likely also to be down because of us adhering to the basics, the rules and guidelines. Imagine the horrors if that were not the case.
12/02/2021 22:47:56 2 0
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Good to hear that infections are going down, but positive cases each day are rising slightly, so where’s the logic?
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12/02/2021 14:44:57 13 20
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Brilliant let's really push things along ...how about 'eat out to help out'? Any takers?......no ....thought not.
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12/02/2021 14:51:20 4 9
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They will definately be pushing similar types of agenda. Take stupidity to a new level. Lock down too late which means too long then persuade folk to go pubs restaurants and repeat.
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12/02/2021 14:45:09 279 187
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Really great news. Maybe not so much for the 100,000+ dead, or their families though!

Just hope that PM doesn’t bow to the pressure to open pubs and restaurants etc, otherwise we’ll see those numbers climb again, and more economic damage and deaths will follow.
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12/02/2021 14:49:51 90 76
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But people are happy, even demanding schools back ahead of parents being vacc - in reality a much higher risk than many pubs and shops that applied Covid regs strictly (not all admittedly).
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12/02/2021 14:50:23 27 6
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The economic damage has already happened. Unemployment rising. Millions on furlough. What happens when tax revenues (half of which come from income tax and NI contributions from employees) dry up? Who pays for the NHS then?
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kh
12/02/2021 14:47:15 11 19
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Including the families that requested covid be removed from the death certificates?
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12/02/2021 14:56:03 28 14
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100,000 dead but we must not claim all of them are Covid!

Deaths "with covid" is not a coincidence but it is not q definitive cause either. Almost 40k excess deaths in the home without Covid stamped on the death certificate is solid proof may misattributed deaths in the UK. We have credited more Covid deaths than we had excess deaths too.
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12/02/2021 15:04:42 14 7
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Are you suggesting that pubs should stay closed permanently?
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12/02/2021 15:05:35 8 4
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Absolute rubbish.... a comment made on what evidence or grounds?
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12/02/2021 15:16:01 17 11
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The actual Covid deaths is small the 100,000 is total deaths get the facts right. I have seen several articles about young people who died from Cancer alone not Covid because they did not get treatment for their Cancer.
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12/02/2021 15:35:47 4 9
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Pubs and restaurants are not the problem, they are covid secure. Its the supermarkets that are the worst.
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Pip
12/02/2021 15:42:35 4 8
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Transmission in Pubs was about 2% in Supermarkets it's about 20%, just because you obviously don't like people who frequent pubs, please don't just vilify them to suit your incorrect narrative.........?
12/02/2021 16:06:37 1 2
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And I hope he doesn't give way to the idea of air travel again. Hopefully last summer will have taught him what happens if people do go off to the Mediterranean.
12/02/2021 16:23:55 3 1
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Pubs and restaurants were not the problems.

People failing to follow the rules were, and still are, the problems.
12/02/2021 16:23:35 1 0
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I invite TRO to read 'SARS-COV-2 Transmission routes and environments' published by SAGE in October. Hospitality in Britain is equated with teeming bars and nightclubs in South East Asia rather than the Covid-safe environments the government made venues here pay for. Remember them insisting that venues throw all their customers onto streets and public transport together at 10 pm? Science? Hardly.
12/02/2021 16:36:22 3 1
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It's people like you banging on about how much you love lockdown that keep causing the government to over react and bring in these ridiculous unnecessary politically motivated restrictions.

Government by opinion poll!
12/02/2021 16:50:04 1 0
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A sensible comment at last
12/02/2021 18:20:34 1 0
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The pubs and resturants should be the last thing they open.
12/02/2021 20:37:56 0 0
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What about the other 610,000 that died last year, don't they count? Mortality is only back to 2006 levels, hardly 1900s standards. 140,000 died in 2017 of avoidable causes.
12/02/2021 21:52:53 1 0
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If he DOESN'T end the restrictions hundreds of thousands will be killed by the effects of lockdowns.
12/02/2021 22:55:07 0 0
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Agreed. Open schools where possible, but restrictions must remain in place to get transmission even lower, for the NHS and for T&T to work effectively.
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12/02/2021 14:44:08 10 68
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The Tory nanny state :-)
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12/02/2021 14:45:38 7 11
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It's funny how right wingers always used to moan about the nanny state, until a Tory govt / Covid came along.

Bless.
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12/02/2021 14:45:49 892 321
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Surely we can all be patient for a few weeks - rather than be patient's for a few more months.
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Patronising comment. We've all already made massive sacrifices. They can't keep us locked up forever.
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12/02/2021 14:57:01 72 51
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Maybe BA, but quite a gradual fall.
We really have to question whether the benefits of lockdown outweigh the massive costs, both financially and to ourselves as humans.
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12/02/2021 14:58:52 55 5
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I think it is likely to take more than a few weeks before the government removes all restrictions
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12/02/2021 15:03:55 36 24
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Oh very good, I like that, well said. ????
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12/02/2021 15:04:02 39 92
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Obviously one of the many making money in lock up! Stop pushing your agenda, we're all suffering!
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12/02/2021 15:08:55 20 18
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No-one expects it to return to normal, if we have to wait until March 8th or 15th to open primary schools then it will be another month before shops reopen, then another month for Pubs. Night Clubs have been shut for nearly a year and you talk about a few weeks, a lot of parents, the 3M excluded and a lot of businesses don't have a "few weeks".

Why vaccinate if we're staying in lockdown?
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12/02/2021 15:10:37 11 4
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Very good Boring Accountant I like that....wish I had thought of it........as you can see I also have a boring job
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12/02/2021 15:19:38 13 28
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Been 'patient' for a year now enough is enough
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12/02/2021 15:23:20 12 11
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The problem is, we don't know if it will be weeks, months or years. Without anyone actually specifying what the "end goal" is, we are currently on a road to nowhere with no get off points. Someone needs to stick their head out and say if we are aiming for eradication, or "low levels" of virus transmission/deaths and what "low level" actually means!
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12/02/2021 15:24:00 18 22
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tell that to people losing their lives and livelihoods through the mental health, other health and financial impact of covid. No sorry, get everyone over 50 vaccinated and open everything back up. This has gone on took long.
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12/02/2021 15:29:56 10 17
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A few weeks yes, but many months no. The many tentacled and shadowy Sage Committee would have us all restricted indefinitely, and Hancock, a victim of agency capture, is their PR man. Once the over 50s have been vaccinated restrictions must come to an end. There will still be some casualties but death is a reality of human existence that has to be accepted. Life must go on. Enough is enough.
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12/02/2021 14:43:52 199 96
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Surely we can be patient for another few weeks.
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12/02/2021 14:46:17 113 240
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Nope
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12/02/2021 15:08:50 23 10
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Well you are going to have to be
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Child.
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12/02/2021 15:32:08 15 11
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get a life
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12/02/2021 15:40:27 16 12
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You really are anti society. So sad.
12/02/2021 16:22:00 8 7
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Tough titty
12/02/2021 18:24:23 0 0
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Nope
12/02/2021 20:05:50 0 2
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Agree it is rubbish! I have had enough now. No plans, no hope!
13/02/2021 01:38:01 1 2
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Man up
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12/02/2021 14:46:43 8 23
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Scotland doing best. Unlike the BBC to show this.
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12/02/2021 14:46:50 42 31
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Would have had less deaths if we had a lockdown earlier and in the same fullness as the one in March.
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12/02/2021 14:50:05 32 18
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This is far from comprehensive proof that Lockdown has caused the reduction in cases.
In Sweden they went from a peak of 7136 cases on Dec23rd to 2800 on Feb 8th, with only these light touch measures in place
https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/the-public-health-agency-of-sweden/communicable-disease-control/covid-19/regulations-and-general-guidelines/

But all debate on this has been stifled..Why?
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12/02/2021 14:52:22 1 6
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the new variant and its impact were not discovered till 18th December , until then numbers had been falling under the tier system.
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kh
12/02/2021 14:50:18 5 3
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if only the government is listening to my suggestion of locking us all in human sized hamster cages at the beginning of March nobody needed to have died
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12/02/2021 15:19:15 0 1
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Plus lot's of people complaining bitterly.
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12/02/2021 15:37:42 2 1
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Prove it
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12/02/2021 14:47:10 9 15
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It’s good news but i can’t help wondering if the situation would have been any different of Johnson had stayed in the fridge
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Vid
12/02/2021 14:53:19 8 5
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Who would you rather have? Kier 'Rabbit in the headlights' Starmer? or Ed 'We will cancel Cornavirus' Davey?
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12/02/2021 14:47:17 404 36
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Fantastic! The British public deserve the credit on this one.

Now we need a clear and easily definable route map back to get people back in work and assist those suffering from the effects of lockdown.
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Yes, we do deserve credit.

But all we ever get is authoritarian nagging from eejits like Prati Patel.
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12/02/2021 15:09:18 28 9
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Yes. But it would be helpful if the virus would give us a definable route map of what it intends to do next!
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12/02/2021 15:12:24 21 35
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People suffering from the effects of lockdown? You do know alot of people suffer from mental health issues and have taken their lives because of lockdown. I suffer from mental health issues, I feel like taking my life because of this shambles of a government tell me what to do and can't do. They haven't once thought about people with mental health issues
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JGC
12/02/2021 15:12:41 32 8
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Majority of public deserve credit. There are some who have blatantly ignored the rules and are complicit in extending this both in infections and deaths.
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12/02/2021 15:15:43 10 18
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Good grief: it's nowhere near over. Some people never learn!
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12/02/2021 15:32:35 1 1
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And WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST IT IS ??????????????
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12/02/2021 15:40:53 1 1
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I dunno - less than a thousand people dying a day? Less than a hundred? Less than 10? Less than a thousand people being infected daily, not the 20,000 we have now. You give us a ballpark....
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12/02/2021 16:03:44 2 1
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There are hundreds of people who don't deserve any credit. The selfish ignorant people who have done exactly what they want during this lockdown. Lets not congratulate anybody yet, there is a long way to go.
12/02/2021 16:05:10 3 3
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I'd like to agree with you, but we've been in lockdown for 6 weeks, far longer than the gestation period of the virus. If everyone had stayed at home, Covid would be long gone, the fact that it's only just now dropped below 1 means that some people simply haven't been following the rules.
12/02/2021 16:07:56 1 1
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Still too early for that clear easily definable route map back to get people back in work assist those suffering from effects of lockdown. More sense end of March perhaps even end of April. Tiny steps between now and then. Only when numbers are low enough for effective trace and isolate with stringent travel restrictions for low COVID-19 incidence large numbers of arrivals from other countries.
12/02/2021 16:22:02 1 1
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"The British public deserve the credit..."
I assume you're excluding the idiots playing in the snow outside Newcastle from that statement. Shame on them all.
12/02/2021 16:24:32 0 2
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Most of them yes but not the ones sneaking into parties hoping that the neighbours ignore the loud music then hide under beds when the cops turn up.
12/02/2021 16:29:14 1 1
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Credit? Have you seen the crowds out sledging in Middlesbrough and Newcastle?

Bunch of bloody numpties!
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Now is not the time to drop the ball and open up to quickly, so many so called experts calling for things to open but if we are not careful we risk a spike and end up locking down again, we have come this far let's not fail right at the last couple of hurdles.
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12/02/2021 15:29:50 59 46
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Experts in What? Certainly not public heath.
12/02/2021 16:24:04 10 2
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That's the problem open one thing up then there will be pressure from the experts on here and the backbenchers wanting more opening up just stay calm and we will get there
12/02/2021 17:49:26 9 0
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Absolutely. We are at a pivotal point now - previous lockdowns, we opened up too much too early - we must learn from that and tread cautiously.
Better to open up carefully and slowly, and progress, than than rushing, and going back into lockdown, which no one wants.
We have to have learned our lessons, or what is the point?
We must get it right this time.
13/02/2021 00:00:24 0 0
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This is frightening. What 'last couple of hurdles'? Do you mean 'the last few cases after which we will have eliminated the virus'? That is not going to happen, and is not government policy. Government policy is to ' prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed until there is a vaccine', which we have achieved.
13/02/2021 09:23:26 0 0
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They are not though, its the main experts that want lockdowns to avoid any kind of book being thrown at them by people like you. People who've been indoctrinated to think COVID is a major threat still.
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how are the eu doing by the way, normally bbc do comps all the time
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12/02/2021 14:48:01 5 13
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British exceptionalism, right ?

100,000 deaths.
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It shows the vaccine is working not the totally unnecessary lockdown
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kh
12/02/2021 14:49:23 2 9
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We are plebs. We are told what it proves and we must accept the government's word because it is superior to us.
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12/02/2021 14:54:35 4 2
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Stupid comment
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12/02/2021 14:57:10 4 1
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No, it shows that a combination of both are bringing the numbers down.
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how are the eu doing by the way, normally bbc do comps all the time
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12/02/2021 14:48:24 4 4
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Pretty well, Germany for example 700 deaths per million. UK 1700.

Probably why they could take their time over vaccine approval rather than rush it in desperation.
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12/02/2021 14:48:39 233 65
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And when things start opening up and the virus mutates around the vaccines available, cases will rise again.
Sooner or later a level of infection and the follow on death toll will have to be accepted.
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12/02/2021 14:59:37 154 50
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Yes. So far we have only vaccinated 20% of the population. That is too low to stop transmission.
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12/02/2021 15:07:07 3 8
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When everyone is wiped out!
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12/02/2021 15:12:41 23 2
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Nope, Tweaked vaccine for B.1.1.7 (AKA Kent virus ) and B.1.351 (SA) will be ready before next winter and a whole raft of second generation Covid vaccines including a nasal spray, inactivated whole virus, a DNA vaccine and a pill are in development. See this week's New Scientist. We're smarter than an RNA virus
312
12/02/2021 15:14:08 17 3
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Especially when the people vaccinated are not those spreading the virus - not many over 70's at illegal parties I suspect
950
12/02/2021 16:00:27 1 0
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...because vaccines have historically been of no benefit to society...right?
12/02/2021 16:33:07 0 0
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So long it's not you gets infected, what!
12/02/2021 16:56:54 1 0
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A level of infection and the follow on death toll can only be accepted in such circumstances once everything that can be done to limit this has been done. Until then it is of course "later" rather than "sooner".
12/02/2021 17:57:51 1 0
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Oh Eric (the Red)
Banging on about acceptable death tolls, guess you never worn a red shirt in star trek, lets hope you feel the same if it should be yours, or someone you care about, eh
12/02/2021 17:59:08 1 0
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Well its a accepted for many other causes of death - seasonal flu, road fatalities, deaths from smoking, drugs and drinking for example. A balance is required now we have vaccines and thank you scientists for them.
12/02/2021 18:16:30 1 0
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The virus will mutate more if infection rates are high . Get well on top and the mutation rate will drop in line with the infection rate. The truth is that the whole world needs to get ahead of the curve as they say , and get vaccinated. The rich countries will probably have to pay for the poor ones as its in their best interest
12/02/2021 18:20:19 0 0
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I don't absolutely disagree with you. However you and I are not running the country and are not answerable to the British public.
12/02/2021 20:34:49 0 0
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The vaccines can be tweaked ... at short notice... as with the flu vaccine
12/02/2021 23:22:39 0 0
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Maybe there won't be anyone left after a few more mutations? But you obviously think that's ok.
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12/02/2021 14:48:42 7 6
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Lock down works but you can't keep it like that forever. Cleanliness. Keep your area clean and tidy. Only tidy because it helps keep it clean. I don't like the Govt either. Its not up to them, its up to us.
Nostrodamus didn't have the Internet.
I'd like to say pass it on,,,,but.
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12/02/2021 14:48:56 170 55
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As long as they’ve learned from the pre-Christmas debacle and don’t end this lockdown too early, I’m starting to feel mildly optimistic about a semi-regular summer... fingers crossed the vaccine is effective enough on all variants to help properly stem the tide. Keep going Brits!
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12/02/2021 15:40:12 166 62
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I agree with your (mild) optimism but what is really getting on my **** is the doom-mongering scientists who seem to be revelling at the prospect of mass restrictions for the rest of time. That attitude without any optimism at all will only push people into revolt if there's not even an ounce of light in the tunnel.
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12/02/2021 14:48:59 52 33
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Its hardly surprising that cases are falling - we have been in lockdown for weeks!

The acid test will be when lockdown ends. People will still need to act responsibly and take all the same distancing/cleanliness precautions that we do now.

What they don't need to do is flock to beaches in their thousands or cram themselves into busy pubs or parties all night.
543
12/02/2021 15:29:04 31 5
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Sorry - cant agree - we cannot go on with SD / masks, those are special measures that in only 1 of the 2 actually work and more so are not part of a modern functioning society...I would rather hold the LD a bit longer (although I hate it with a passion) than have some 'new normal' rubbish with scornful people curtain twitching about how people in someone's garden/ not wearing a mask etc....
617
12/02/2021 15:35:02 9 1
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Please stop harping on about beaches. People flocked to beaches in June. In the last 12 months of this, new cases were the lowest in June and July. You don't get covid going to a beach! You catch it when you go to someones house in winter with all the windows closed because it's cold out and sit 3ft away from them breathing the same air. Crammed beaches in the summer had zero affect on cases.
12/02/2021 16:27:09 1 2
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But the stupid and the intellectually challenged will do just that sadly
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12/02/2021 14:49:16 16 14
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As ever the numbers on the charts are as much an epitaph to failure and compliance of people's behaviours, as to quantifying the march of the virus.

How much could have been avoided if more people had behaved with a little more selfless responsibility?

But beware: now everyone thinks they are "entitled" to a holiday asap.
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Meh
12/02/2021 14:59:07 4 5
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Very little I imagine.

Despite what some want to believe, most cases we're not originating in places where people were, gasp, having a bit of fun (pubs, restaurants, on holiday) They were from educational settings, supermarkets and the like.
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12/02/2021 14:49:28 18 17
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I can't imagine why anyone would mark this news story down but you can bet your bottom dollar some bonehead will.
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12/02/2021 15:29:56 0 0
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yep
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12/02/2021 14:49:41 10 13
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If opening the schools is really top priority vaccinate the teachers now. It takes 3 weeks for vaccine to kick on. I know some folk will say what about other workers but kids catch and pass stuff on easily no matter what parts of the scientific advice the government choose to fit their approach. Kids are very unlikely to catch it or pass it they said. Pull the other one
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12/02/2021 14:55:10 8 2
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And vaccinate police officers who have to deal with the Covidiots everyday.
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12/02/2021 14:55:43 2 2
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Kids are very, very low risk
Teachers will be low risk based on the fact they are working age
If they're medically vulnerable they will be offered a vacc anyway
Anyone they could pass it on who is high risk will have been vacc
So why do all of them?
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Ann
12/02/2021 15:09:05 3 1
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Why not people who work in supermarkets or police or delivery drivers ....the list is long. Who do you prioritise ? The best way is to go by the most vulnerable and age. If a teacher falls in that category then they will get the vaccine.
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12/02/2021 14:49:44 21 23
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No doubt the usual lockdown deniers will be on soon, proclaiming their typical spurious holistic claims of ill-defined mental health harms (hint: being unhappy about something and not getting your own way are not actual mental health disorders) among teenagers and criminals and so on, but regardless, here we have it, reiterated; lockdown is working and is saving lives.
Jump off a bridge Removed
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caz
12/02/2021 14:59:59 4 2
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Couldn't agree more. Mental health issues are fast becoming the new 'Bad Back'.
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Ann
12/02/2021 15:01:15 2 4
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How about we stay locked in our houses forever. Because there is always a virus out there.
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12/02/2021 15:20:26 0 1
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Yes lockdown works while it is happening and if it does not actually impact yourself much no problems. What and when to do something different is the important part. We have been told jabs are the way out, lets see what happen the more down the list they get - will it be 'just wait for ...'
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12/02/2021 14:45:09 279 187
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Really great news. Maybe not so much for the 100,000+ dead, or their families though!

Just hope that PM doesn’t bow to the pressure to open pubs and restaurants etc, otherwise we’ll see those numbers climb again, and more economic damage and deaths will follow.
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12/02/2021 14:49:51 90 76
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But people are happy, even demanding schools back ahead of parents being vacc - in reality a much higher risk than many pubs and shops that applied Covid regs strictly (not all admittedly).
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12/02/2021 15:31:47 5 3
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Bear in mind children are super spreaders. Greece got all children back to school - 2 weeks later schools were all closed and infections were flying upwards.
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12/02/2021 15:46:07 3 1
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I dont know where you got that information from about schools. Are you a teacher by chance?
855
12/02/2021 15:53:14 1 0
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Statistically not the case, but don't let the facts get in the way of your personal agenda.
12/02/2021 16:34:02 1 0
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And yet the French have their schools open right now and their rates are also dropping.
12/02/2021 18:22:25 0 0
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Parents want the schools back cos they are sick of their kids,now they know just what kind of brats they realy are
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12/02/2021 14:46:50 42 31
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Would have had less deaths if we had a lockdown earlier and in the same fullness as the one in March.
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12/02/2021 14:50:05 32 18
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This is far from comprehensive proof that Lockdown has caused the reduction in cases.
In Sweden they went from a peak of 7136 cases on Dec23rd to 2800 on Feb 8th, with only these light touch measures in place
https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/the-public-health-agency-of-sweden/communicable-disease-control/covid-19/regulations-and-general-guidelines/

But all debate on this has been stifled..Why?
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12/02/2021 15:05:41 7 4
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Couldn’t agree more. Totally unscientific to correlate reduced infections with lockdown unless you have a control group who weren’t locked down.
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AJ
12/02/2021 15:19:51 2 2
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Sweden has 1/10th of the population density of the UK. Many of the countries that people push as handling things better than the UK have far, far lower population densities than we do.
808
12/02/2021 15:49:20 3 2
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Why is the simple fact that Sweden is in no way comparable to major high population Countries like the UK, as explained ad nauseum by numerous epidemiologists & virologists.

If you want a debate, try comparing Sweden's 'success' with its Demographically and socially similar neighbours, like Denmark and Norway first, then try & make your point.
12/02/2021 17:18:50 1 0
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It doesn't fit the narrative so gets ignored.
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12/02/2021 14:50:14 9 14
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But we will keep the lockdown going forever.

What a future we have to look forward to!!!
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12/02/2021 14:52:25 3 7
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Didn't you know, this is the new normal.
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12/02/2021 14:54:48 1 1
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No they won't, why would they want to do that?
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12/02/2021 14:57:17 1 1
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No-one in their right mind thinks anyone wants to keep the lockdown going forever.
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12/02/2021 14:50:21 84 43
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The only comment required to this news is GOOD! Anything else is just unhelpful noise.
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12/02/2021 15:02:30 48 54
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So why did you waste all those other words then?
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12/02/2021 15:01:56 4 2
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Good.
12/02/2021 18:22:56 0 0
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Ah, you, like I, are some of the very few that accepted that our pointless 'opinions' don't matter a jot. A few others on here need to figure that out.
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12/02/2021 14:45:09 279 187
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Really great news. Maybe not so much for the 100,000+ dead, or their families though!

Just hope that PM doesn’t bow to the pressure to open pubs and restaurants etc, otherwise we’ll see those numbers climb again, and more economic damage and deaths will follow.
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12/02/2021 14:50:23 27 6
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The economic damage has already happened. Unemployment rising. Millions on furlough. What happens when tax revenues (half of which come from income tax and NI contributions from employees) dry up? Who pays for the NHS then?
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12/02/2021 15:16:39 15 3
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Amazon's taking have never been higher, similar with other online retailers - they can pay their fair share of tax, for once.
12/02/2021 16:19:42 0 0
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The implication from the media is that NHS staff do their job for nothing, or is that not true?
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12/02/2021 14:45:09 279 187
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Really great news. Maybe not so much for the 100,000+ dead, or their families though!

Just hope that PM doesn’t bow to the pressure to open pubs and restaurants etc, otherwise we’ll see those numbers climb again, and more economic damage and deaths will follow.
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kh
12/02/2021 14:47:15 11 19
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Including the families that requested covid be removed from the death certificates?
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12/02/2021 14:50:51 9 23
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I never knew the whole world was this gullible.
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12/02/2021 14:54:28 7 6
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There’s not a strong enough word in the English language to define people like you and your mind-blowing ignorance.
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12/02/2021 14:50:59 292 46
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There's some relief, but let's be honest, the hospital admissions, deaths, misery, financial and social costs are just overwhelming. I see a need for some sort of public enquiry once this is over. But judging from the sheer number of exceptionally large patients on ITU, it would seem that diet and lifestyle choices have a huge impact on survival. Time for some serious action from everyone!
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12/02/2021 14:59:22 133 124
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It doesn't help when swimming pools and leisure centres are closed.
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12/02/2021 15:30:07 13 8
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Make the new appetite suppressing drug free for all. Ban all advertising for fast food. Make it safer to cycle to work. Did Anyone Say Just Eat? Nahhhhh. Not me.
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12/02/2021 15:57:07 16 6
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'Need for some sort of public inquiry'
Why? So some lawyers can get a fat pay cheque at the taxpayers expense?
Any inquiry will conclude that:
Mistakes have been made and lessons will be learnt.
Only it will an inquiry 2,000 pages of waffle to reach that conclusion.
912
12/02/2021 15:57:40 6 4
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Which ICU do you work in?
12/02/2021 16:22:38 9 5
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Public enquiry won't be of any use at all. We can't go through everything that has happened with the benefit of hindsight.
12/02/2021 16:48:30 5 1
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A public enquiry would just satisfy the British blame culture and cost a few million £. But I must agree our society needs to take a good look at itself
12/02/2021 16:52:09 3 3
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I've not noticed a difference in the size of people in ITU, but deprivation has been highlighted as a factor. I think lifestyle choices is a bad term to use as people on the lowest incomes often don't have a choice about the food they eat, they have to buy the cheapest which is often unhealthily, being able to cook is also a big issue if you have no money for the electric meter.
12/02/2021 16:55:48 3 3
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If public enquiries actually told the public anything, the Government wouldn't hold them.

The Government were inconsistent, didn't follow the science and failed to act when needed. There! I've just saved the country a costly enquiry.

The only thing I want investigated is the many, many multi-million deals given to Tory donors for useless equipment and 'logistics'.
12/02/2021 17:01:49 7 1
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well said.It has certainly found the morbidly obese of which there are ever growing numbers.Self inflicted harm and yet we who take regular exercise and workout no matter what are lock ins like them at the moment.NHS takes a huge strain because of them covid or not.
12/02/2021 17:04:13 2 5
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It should start with why did the government ignore the sage reports in 2014 and 2018 that showed we were woefully unprepared for any pandemic, both reports ignored due to short term cost implications. Short term cost savings has cost a lot more at the end of the day.
12/02/2021 17:48:58 7 0
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I agree that this country has a problem with obesity that we need to tackle.

Maybe this should be incentivised by some sort of fat tax (maybe £100 per month for every BMI point over 30 per fatty - that should clarify things)

Also denying the vaccine to fat people should help to encourage them to keep their hand out of the cookie jar. Smokers/vapers too.
12/02/2021 17:56:17 6 0
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Correct. Underlying health conditions must be minimised and we all have personal responsibility to be as healthy as possible. Compared to many other countries we just don't look after ourselves and we must from now on.
12/02/2021 18:15:42 0 1
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It's my life!
12/02/2021 18:18:25 3 0
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The only thing the British public want from an enquiry is a name to blame. Then back to the booze, fags and cheeseburgers whilst oggling celebrities on the gogglebox. We don't like to be told we are fat and unhealthy.
12/02/2021 19:02:46 0 3
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“But judging from the sheer number of exceptionally large patients on ITU, it would seem that diet and lifestyle choices have a huge impact on survival.”

And old people, those above 70 who don’t work, just sit around all day, being old. If we didn’t have old people getting Covid & dying the ICU’s would be freed up, for other people, self satisfied bigots and people like that.
12/02/2021 19:27:06 3 0
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The fact that being overweight and of general poor health accounts for the majority of deaths seems to be lost on both the government and the general public. As was known from the outset, the focus should be on improving health and locking up the vulnerable and letting the majority get on with life and keeping the economy moving.
12/02/2021 20:09:57 0 0
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In
12/02/2021 20:11:31 2 0
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Inquiry into what? Are you going to put the virus in the dock? Because that is what is to blame for all the issues even though you to choose the supposed lifestyles of those you don't even know
12/02/2021 20:28:32 0 0
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Apparently, a recent study has shown the worst disease to have with Covid is diabetes. Weight played less a part, and was more dangerous in men than women.
12/02/2021 21:31:24 0 0
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Maybe take away beer and cigarettes for those on benefits, no wait give them another £20 a week. Ultimate solution? Cost saving?
12/02/2021 22:09:12 0 0
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Survival of the fittest, plain and simple. Always has been.
12/02/2021 22:33:39 0 0
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Tax crap food and give it to the NHS
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12/02/2021 14:51:20 8 18
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Right, what we need to do know, is open up major incentives to get crowds of people at the pub again, maybe something like "half price dinners", yeah that should do the trick. Anyone else got any bright ideas? Maybe we should ditch masks and those insufferable sanitising points. Come on, we've beat this virus once we can definitely do it again!
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12/02/2021 14:54:44 4 1
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What you on about? Personally, I can't wait for social distancing to end. If its Autumn, then its Autumn. Having a social life again is something to look forward to.
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mat
12/02/2021 14:44:57 13 20
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Brilliant let's really push things along ...how about 'eat out to help out'? Any takers?......no ....thought not.
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12/02/2021 14:51:20 4 9
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They will definately be pushing similar types of agenda. Take stupidity to a new level. Lock down too late which means too long then persuade folk to go pubs restaurants and repeat.
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12/02/2021 14:43:07 30 37
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Well done, British public. No need for us to be nagged and nannied by the government. We know what to do.

Well done, NHS.
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12/02/2021 14:51:32 11 3
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Is that your rant over now?
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12/02/2021 14:56:04 3 12
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Aww diddums. Are you upset that someone commented, who happens to disagree with you ?
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12/02/2021 15:05:25 3 4
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Do you actually know what a rant looks like? It isn't an all-purpose expression for a view with which you don't agree.
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12/02/2021 14:43:07 30 37
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Well done, British public. No need for us to be nagged and nannied by the government. We know what to do.

Well done, NHS.
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12/02/2021 14:51:44 13 2
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Unfortunately there have been large swathes who haven't known what to do and ignored the rules and probably prolonged things. Fortunately we have modern science and vaccines.
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12/02/2021 14:56:21 5 5
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Dominic Cummings of course.
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12/02/2021 14:52:06 18 17
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I just went to the supermarket and many elderly are forgetting to social distance now - shop staff kept having to remind them to queue spaced apart etc We have got to be careful we don't negate the sacrifices we have made, by easing too early. A sustained period without lockdown will only happen with a low infection rate, mainly because covid can still be dangerous for children.
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12/02/2021 14:55:19 6 3
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Yep! I had that in M&S last week. Had to tell the two old ladies behind me to keep back.
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12/02/2021 15:22:33 1 1
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A made up story.
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12/02/2021 15:26:26 0 2
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Anyone going to the supermarket at time when you have to queue needs their head examining.
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12/02/2021 14:52:06 12 31
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There's NO evidence that "lockdown is working".

Falling transmission rate is most likely due to the fact that a very large proportion of the population have had Covid-19, mostly without symptoms or with only very mild ones. Vaccination is likely to have had only a small effect.

Lockdowns do not and never will work, except in the minds of the deluded.
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12/02/2021 14:54:57 4 3
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are you Karen from Facebook?
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12/02/2021 14:55:01 2 2
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Garbage. Drivel.
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12/02/2021 14:56:27 2 2
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Look at the graphs showing infections falling after lockdowns and RISING when lockdown is lifted. So simple to work out.
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12/02/2021 14:56:49 2 3
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I am sorry but this is delusional. I know a few people who have had covid in one of the worst affected areas. Most people haven't had it. Lockdowns hurt, but they do work in terms of reducing transmission.
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VS
12/02/2021 14:58:20 1 3
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Are you real ?
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12/02/2021 14:59:03 2 2
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Deluded being code word for experts? I can give hundreds of cases of it working for every known viral disease. Your evidence? Anecdotal and insane claims of herd immunity
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12/02/2021 15:00:16 2 1
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Are you medically trained? A virologist? An epidemiologist? A public health expert? Nope. You're not.
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12/02/2021 15:20:28 0 1
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Agreed.
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12/02/2021 14:47:17 404 36
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Fantastic! The British public deserve the credit on this one.

Now we need a clear and easily definable route map back to get people back in work and assist those suffering from the effects of lockdown.
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12/02/2021 14:52:10 235 422
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Yes, we do deserve credit.

But all we ever get is authoritarian nagging from eejits like Prati Patel.
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12/02/2021 14:59:58 30 42
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We get blamed when it goes wrong but the government wants the credit when it goes right. How many people did they think were flouting the rules to attain their magical "100,000 deaths"? |I mean, it seems pretty far fetched to accuse the UK public of being so bad we surpassed countries that didn't even lockdown.
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12/02/2021 15:11:12 16 11
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If certain parts of the country done the right thing we would have been okay. They nag as you put it to keep us on the straight & narrow. I hope we get a slow release to protect us from another lock down.
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12/02/2021 15:14:50 22 16
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Since Priti knocked the knee she's gone up in my esteem.
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12/02/2021 15:39:33 0 6
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Oh -How racist-disgusting
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12/02/2021 15:42:24 0 1
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It would make more sense and creditable reading had you both had used the word "most" in your comments
888
12/02/2021 15:55:31 1 1
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Rubbish
If we’d done anything worthy of credit the second lockdown wouldn’t have been necessary let alone the third one
Unless your an idiot, Patel has pointed no fingers at you. So how many Rave party's have you been too recently, come on, be honest.. Removed
Jim
12/02/2021 16:08:48 1 1
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How could anybody downvote this? Are there seriously people out there who this Patel is doing a good job and is fit for office?
12/02/2021 16:11:33 0 0
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Try listening to Nicola Sturgeon!!
12/02/2021 16:11:45 1 0
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No it is not "authoritarian nagging". If you view it as that then perhaps you are not one deserving credit as you may well be one who has not rigidly followed the guidelines and rules. There would be no "authoritarian nagging" if everyone actually got on with doing their best in this regard. Be reminded, it only takes one asymptomatic case being irresponsible to cause a super spreading event.
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SM
12/02/2021 14:52:17 15 11
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Good news, lets keep going and get cases down in to the hundreds rather than thousands.
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12/02/2021 14:46:50 42 31
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Would have had less deaths if we had a lockdown earlier and in the same fullness as the one in March.
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12/02/2021 14:52:22 1 6
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the new variant and its impact were not discovered till 18th December , until then numbers had been falling under the tier system.
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12/02/2021 14:49:44 21 23
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No doubt the usual lockdown deniers will be on soon, proclaiming their typical spurious holistic claims of ill-defined mental health harms (hint: being unhappy about something and not getting your own way are not actual mental health disorders) among teenagers and criminals and so on, but regardless, here we have it, reiterated; lockdown is working and is saving lives.
Jump off a bridge Removed
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12/02/2021 14:54:14 0 1
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+1
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12/02/2021 14:58:11 1 1
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Enchanté, and, not being particularly distressed or depressed, and not looking for any sunken pirate treasure in the river either, I see no particular motivation to do that.
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12/02/2021 14:50:14 9 14
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But we will keep the lockdown going forever.

What a future we have to look forward to!!!
52
12/02/2021 14:52:25 3 7
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Didn't you know, this is the new normal.
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12/02/2021 14:52:26 6 11
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Boristhink...

Great news, lockdown is working. Now, how can we end lockdown?
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12/02/2021 14:58:54 1 2
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"Boris" doesn't think. He does what he's told by his paymasters.
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12/02/2021 14:52:37 19 20
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Newcastle people out sledging in their hundreds have let us down.
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12/02/2021 14:54:19 16 1
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And the mess they left was awful
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12/02/2021 14:52:42 10 12
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I love the NHS, but I always thought it was there to protect us!
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12/02/2021 14:57:47 5 5
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It is, you fool
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12/02/2021 14:58:06 2 1
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What makes you think it isn't ?
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12/02/2021 15:01:31 0 1
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No, the NHS is there to make you better if you are ill or advise you on how to stay well, not to protect you. Protection is what the military and police do, amongst other things.
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12/02/2021 15:32:59 0 0
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richardhead
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12/02/2021 15:38:18 0 0
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its there to protect you like your seatbelt or airbag. If we don't take precautions to allow it to work as best it can then when you need it most it wont be there
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12/02/2021 14:47:10 9 15
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It’s good news but i can’t help wondering if the situation would have been any different of Johnson had stayed in the fridge
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Vid
12/02/2021 14:53:19 8 5
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Who would you rather have? Kier 'Rabbit in the headlights' Starmer? or Ed 'We will cancel Cornavirus' Davey?
12/02/2021 16:46:27 2 1
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I think we can safely say that even *you* could have done a better job than Bojo as it would be hard to find a worse person for the job. Even a small piece of mouldy cheese would have been better to be honest: just as obnoxious, but without all the lies and "world beating" jingoistic popularism nonsense.
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12/02/2021 14:53:21 15 14
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Yes, lockdowns are effective.
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12/02/2021 14:44:54 10 17
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how are the eu doing by the way, normally bbc do comps all the time
Interesting to see the areas where the numbers are still high despite 6 weeks in lockdown, but it wouldn't be appropriate I assume to blame the ethnicity or affluence of those inhabitants, or their inclination to be vaccinated. Removed
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12/02/2021 14:57:28 0 4
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racist
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12/02/2021 15:28:16 0 0
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but so true
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12/02/2021 14:53:57 67 7
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Thank goodness we seem to be getting there
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12/02/2021 15:26:52 14 11
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slowly
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kh
12/02/2021 14:47:55 13 18
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It's not proof of anything other than seasonal viruses are seasonal.
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12/02/2021 15:02:49 2 4
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Troll garbage.
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12/02/2021 15:10:40 1 1
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Don't seasonal viruses normally curtail at the end of the season, not slap bang in the middle?
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12/02/2021 15:26:31 1 1
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Covid 9 was not seasonal last April was it.
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12/02/2021 14:44:56 294 20
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Not only is infections going down good (they've fallen around 300k over last the 2 weeks in ONS surveys), but as we vaccinate more, plus more treatments become available (like tocilizumab announced yesterday), the less concerning future rises in infections will be when we eventually open up again, as serious illness, hospitalisations and deaths are all less likely, thus lower overall risk.
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kh
12/02/2021 14:48:24 64 317
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I would like to dispute everything you said but BBC will delete my comment.
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12/02/2021 14:55:31 4 30
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Yes as was mine.
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12/02/2021 15:15:32 45 2
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Not if you reply in a polite manner they won't.
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12/02/2021 15:39:26 31 1
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I think its more a case of you not being capable of doing so.
12/02/2021 16:23:57 1 6
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I know they delete mine.
12/02/2021 17:00:59 4 0
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Why? He is 100% correct. 93% of all deaths in hospital (NHS England figures) have occurred in the 60+ age group. 53% in the 80+ age group. Do you think vaccines will have no effect?
12/02/2021 17:07:39 5 0
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kh - you are an utter disputer.
12/02/2021 17:41:02 4 1
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Probably because in order to do so, you'd be talking nonsense & referencing conspiracy theories...??
12/02/2021 19:08:14 3 0
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Childish comment.
12/02/2021 20:38:44 4 0
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So here we are and your statement is still here. You were wrong again.
TC
13/02/2021 01:21:36 0 1
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People adhering to the 'narrative' are 'good citizens'. Anyway, very few have knowledge, self-direction, and mental ability, enabling questioning it.
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12/02/2021 14:48:09 12 34
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It shows the vaccine is working not the totally unnecessary lockdown
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kh
12/02/2021 14:49:23 2 9
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We are plebs. We are told what it proves and we must accept the government's word because it is superior to us.
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12/02/2021 14:46:50 42 31
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Would have had less deaths if we had a lockdown earlier and in the same fullness as the one in March.
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kh
12/02/2021 14:50:18 5 3
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if only the government is listening to my suggestion of locking us all in human sized hamster cages at the beginning of March nobody needed to have died
Jump off a bridge Removed
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12/02/2021 14:54:14 0 1
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+1
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12/02/2021 14:54:14 10 11
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If the Government open up society in the next 3-4 weeks, it really is too soon. Mid April maybe....
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12/02/2021 14:57:57 3 1
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At 0.9 that will be July ?? it needs to be much lower or we do this again and again
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rob
12/02/2021 14:54:14 5 11
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Thank god for the vaccine, RIP to all that has died, from this horrible disease ??, after all this, all parts of The ???? needs a public inquiry in to things that the government got wrong .
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12/02/2021 14:58:01 1 2
bbc
Cases are down primarily because of the lockdowns.
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12/02/2021 14:58:18 0 1
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Everything!
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Bob
12/02/2021 15:04:55 1 1
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Looks like you already have Rob. Or are you hoping for some external validation of your unconscious bias? Of course we should learn from what was done, right and wrong, in order to learn for the next time. However, perhaps we would learn most from waiting until this thing has run its course, and all the data is available for full unbiased scrutiny bearing in mind hindsight is a very exact science
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12/02/2021 14:54:14 25 14
bbc
Good news. Let’s stay sensible folks.
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12/02/2021 14:52:37 19 20
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Newcastle people out sledging in their hundreds have let us down.
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12/02/2021 14:54:19 16 1
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And the mess they left was awful
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12/02/2021 14:56:35 1 2
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You're moaning about mess in Newcastle?!
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Pam
12/02/2021 14:54:20 263 158
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This is positive but please can we not have Nigel Farage and his new party living off the gripes of people who don't like lockdown.
Why can't he just go away?
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12/02/2021 14:58:46 160 156
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Why ???
Just because you say so ???
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12/02/2021 14:59:32 65 15
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Bad penny, got to admire his ability to take full advantage of a situation though. He rallies the sheep then leaves them to the wolves till his next opportunity comes along.
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12/02/2021 15:04:35 64 20
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Nigel Fartrage is like an unwanted pustule on the ass of the UK.
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12/02/2021 15:18:52 28 13
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Thought he had. Haven't heard from him in months. Now, if only Johnson could do the the same and his mob with him...
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12/02/2021 15:19:20 6 26
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Farage seems like a good bloke, but being pro-Corona has given me doubts. I bet he's had both jabs already.
505
12/02/2021 15:26:25 54 14
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Because like Trump he is a snake oil merchant who makes his living off the credulous and desperate.

It is a sad incitment on all of us that low life such as Farage was ever allowed to gain any traction in society - we should never have allowed our population to fall so far into ignorance and despair that such populists started being listened to.
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12/02/2021 15:36:46 14 40
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Why should he? Keeps the lefty whingers on their toes.
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12/02/2021 15:56:50 11 2
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Farage reflects the feelings of a section of the voting population, so it's quite right that he has a voice. I don't share his opinions, but until the supposedly 'reasonable' politicians stop with the dog whistle, self serving politics, characters like Farage will continue to gain traction.
969
12/02/2021 16:02:15 8 5
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Ever heard of free speech and the right to protest? It used to be something enshrined in the British way of life. Just because something doesn't fit your personal belief system you don't have the right to censor people. Our ancestors (well mine anyway) fought for the right of freedom of speech. It's disgusting that it's being shut down by a generation of zombies unable to think for themselves.
12/02/2021 16:07:56 7 1
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He's checking to see what viable options are still available & if the Afd will invite him to address another rally post lockdown. After all its been 3 years.
12/02/2021 16:41:38 3 10
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This is what Sir Kier should be saying - holding the government to account for it's over zealous and unnecessary restrictions that are damaging livelihoods and causing irreparable long term damage to society.

Unfortunately the coin he flipped landed on tails so instead he's backing Gestapo style infringements on civil liberties and a North Korea style border policy. Thanks Kier.
12/02/2021 16:55:00 4 2
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Yep, he's a poisonous little toad who has brought enough misery on this country already.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56038343
12/02/2021 18:17:19 0 1
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If only he would
12/02/2021 19:12:27 2 1
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Because we live in a democracy not your personal thiefdom and many of us plan to vote reform no matter what names you call us.
12/02/2021 19:56:22 0 2
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i have had covid, it was a nightmare of hospitalisation IV drips, the runs, dehydration, oxygen bottles , fever and splitting headaches.
I would wish it on no one.
Then Nigel Farage's gurning evil face comes to mind.
I
12/02/2021 20:43:01 0 1
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He may make you sick but he won't lie to you like Boris and Kier.
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12/02/2021 14:44:48 63 42
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Good news, but quite a gradual fall.
We really have to question whether the benefits of lockdown outweigh the massive costs, both financially and to ourselves as humans.
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12/02/2021 14:54:20 9 5
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Not if they're done late as possible then drag on
72
12/02/2021 14:54:22 27 30
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Plandemic. Get Businesses open & restore liberties immediately.
97
12/02/2021 14:56:28 17 14
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Boring, predictable, infantile troll.
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12/02/2021 14:57:34 3 1
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Shouldn't you be researching due to sensible folk not doing theirs.
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12/02/2021 15:00:11 8 2
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Grow up or shut up
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12/02/2021 15:05:30 6 1
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More garbage from the troll.
636
12/02/2021 15:36:35 0 0
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Liberties? Do I not have the right to go outside without an unreasonable chance of a denier spreading the infection my way? Individual liberties have to be set in the context of a whole population.
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12/02/2021 14:50:51 9 23
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I never knew the whole world was this gullible.
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12/02/2021 14:54:28 7 6
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There’s not a strong enough word in the English language to define people like you and your mind-blowing ignorance.
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12/02/2021 15:09:04 2 1
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A whole year we've had this pandemic and I still don't know one person that has been ill, seriously or otherwise. Not a single one. There have been cases I'm 100% sure but if I don't know of any at all how big a problem is it? Certainly not worth bringing the country to a stand still. Look after the vulnerable and let the rest of us get on with life. Me ignorant? Nah just like to question things.
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12/02/2021 14:54:32 9 9
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Great job by the UK government, vaccination clearly has a role in this and we've been through difficult times but just need to keep going on the same road for at least another month.
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12/02/2021 15:03:28 0 1
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There’s very little evidence that vaccination is the reason. R has been below 0.8 for a month. Vaccination will be the reason that wave 4 doesn’t hit next Autumn.
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12/02/2021 14:54:34 283 110
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Well of course you can slow the spread of the virus if you place literally everything that makes life worth living into suspended animation! The difficult question which the politicians and press continually fail to answer, is : is it worth it? And also: what is Plan B, in case the vaccines don’t keep up with the mutations? It’s time for some less sentimental cost/benefit calculations.
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12/02/2021 14:56:38 77 148
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If the vaccines don't work then we fo back into lockdown.
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12/02/2021 14:58:28 42 11
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The fact anyone downvotes your comment goes a long way to explain why we’re in this mess. People just want this to continue and I have no idea why.
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12/02/2021 14:58:28 51 21
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It will never ever be worth restricting the lives of 99+% of people to protect the minority.
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12/02/2021 15:01:26 21 39
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It is worth it. A high infection rate sees more hospitalisations, more absence from work, more deaths, more chance of mutations, more issues with long covid, more younger people in hospital And there is no guarantee it would help the economy that much.
259
12/02/2021 15:10:49 8 25
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Gee thanks! If you had your way many people like myself would be condemned to, by all accounts, a very unpleasant death. Love you too!
344
12/02/2021 15:16:07 2 2
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Which is exactly what the government have been doing all along and still are.
477
12/02/2021 15:24:55 6 15
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The cost/benefit calculations have been done, and the result is overwhelmingly clear. Lock down early, lock down hard, lock down again if cases rise. Doing so not only minimizes deaths and chronic illness from Covid, but minimizes collateral illnesses, and economic and social harm.
832
12/02/2021 15:51:31 0 2
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Plan B was the second lockdown ?? shoes.
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12/02/2021 15:53:59 0 4
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Life worth living: Watching grandchild grow, play and talk with us (via TV), knowing diabetic son is safe wfh, looking forward to vaccines, it is just a year so far. Only worry is it may be my last year, if life returns to "normal" too soon.
12/02/2021 16:40:56 0 2
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It is not a question of "if you place literally everything that makes life worth living into suspended animation", it's a question of "How soon our health service is overwhelmed, essential services are overwhelmed, society slowly grinds to a halt because of the exponential growth of debilitating sickness". These are the harsh realities. A year to 18 months is a short time in real terms.
12/02/2021 16:41:09 0 3
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I assume you are in the age bracket that is not at risk
VoR
12/02/2021 16:42:33 1 1
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If we'd locked down harder, and put in place controls for reopening, we could have been out of it by now. It was the govt trying to have its value and eat it, coupled with incompetence, that has required so much sacrifice. At least with the vaccines they've largely got their act together.
12/02/2021 16:46:23 0 1
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Preventing more people from loosing their lives is definitely worth it, in my book.
12/02/2021 17:21:33 1 2
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mememe yet again. When the exhausted NHS grinds to halt you'll no doubt be squealing.
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12/02/2021 14:48:09 12 34
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It shows the vaccine is working not the totally unnecessary lockdown
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12/02/2021 14:54:35 4 2
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Stupid comment
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12/02/2021 14:51:20 8 18
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Right, what we need to do know, is open up major incentives to get crowds of people at the pub again, maybe something like "half price dinners", yeah that should do the trick. Anyone else got any bright ideas? Maybe we should ditch masks and those insufferable sanitising points. Come on, we've beat this virus once we can definitely do it again!
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12/02/2021 14:54:44 4 1
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What you on about? Personally, I can't wait for social distancing to end. If its Autumn, then its Autumn. Having a social life again is something to look forward to.
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12/02/2021 14:50:14 9 14
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But we will keep the lockdown going forever.

What a future we have to look forward to!!!
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12/02/2021 14:54:48 1 1
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No they won't, why would they want to do that?
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12/02/2021 14:52:06 12 31
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There's NO evidence that "lockdown is working".

Falling transmission rate is most likely due to the fact that a very large proportion of the population have had Covid-19, mostly without symptoms or with only very mild ones. Vaccination is likely to have had only a small effect.

Lockdowns do not and never will work, except in the minds of the deluded.
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12/02/2021 14:54:57 4 3
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are you Karen from Facebook?
225
12/02/2021 15:08:26 0 1
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LOL. If it's on farcebuk it must be true
80
12/02/2021 14:55:00 2 7
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This is good news, noses in front ad Fletcher would say. If we keep this up and the vaccines work then we can end lockdown at the end of the year.
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12/02/2021 14:52:06 12 31
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There's NO evidence that "lockdown is working".

Falling transmission rate is most likely due to the fact that a very large proportion of the population have had Covid-19, mostly without symptoms or with only very mild ones. Vaccination is likely to have had only a small effect.

Lockdowns do not and never will work, except in the minds of the deluded.
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12/02/2021 14:55:01 2 2
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Garbage. Drivel.
82
12/02/2021 14:55:06 2 3
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Sell the gold....
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12/02/2021 14:49:41 10 13
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If opening the schools is really top priority vaccinate the teachers now. It takes 3 weeks for vaccine to kick on. I know some folk will say what about other workers but kids catch and pass stuff on easily no matter what parts of the scientific advice the government choose to fit their approach. Kids are very unlikely to catch it or pass it they said. Pull the other one
83
12/02/2021 14:55:10 8 2
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And vaccinate police officers who have to deal with the Covidiots everyday.
164
12/02/2021 15:02:28 1 2
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Yes. As a priority police should be too
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12/02/2021 14:45:49 892 321
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Surely we can all be patient for a few weeks - rather than be patient's for a few more months.
84
12/02/2021 14:55:12 556 994
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Patronising comment. We've all already made massive sacrifices. They can't keep us locked up forever.
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12/02/2021 14:59:51 122 29
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Some sacrifices are worth making, not only for yourself but for your community and society at large.
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JGC
12/02/2021 15:00:27 14 32
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Nope, but they are going to give it a jolly good go.
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VS
12/02/2021 15:04:48 70 44
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Massive sacrifices ? don`t think so, at least not having to cope with bombs falling on us!
208
12/02/2021 15:06:26 53 9
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That's called spoiling the ship for a tad of tar! What a short-term take on things.
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12/02/2021 14:57:28 14 15
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covid can.
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12/02/2021 14:59:18 75 23
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You've made no sacrifices. You've done what any self respecting, decent citizen would do.
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12/02/2021 15:07:36 15 28
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No point ranting. BBC HYS is a locktivist echo chamber most of the time!
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12/02/2021 15:08:56 30 11
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on what possible level is that patronising??
251
12/02/2021 15:09:59 10 35
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Well said
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12/02/2021 15:12:26 12 22
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They obviously can keep us locked up forever. They can always find new reason. New mutation is a new reason. Government strategy for this pandemy is absolutely disaster. Over 120000 deaths and ruined economy is utterly appealing.
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12/02/2021 15:13:42 33 20
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The sort of comment made by someone who has not contracted Covid, and doesn't know anyone who has died from the disease, or suffered horribly; try explaining to the loved ones of the 100K +PEOPLE WHO HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES. Then there is the hordes of unselfish NHS carers...
314
12/02/2021 15:14:13 28 11
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In your case, forget patience - just DO AS YOU'RE TOLD!
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12/02/2021 15:14:38 31 12
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It's not patronising it's common sense. Why do you think we're in a second lockdown? The problem is that some people have no sense.
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12/02/2021 15:14:16 10 15
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We should’ve listened to the scientists. We’d be where New Zealand and Australia are.
425
12/02/2021 15:21:15 16 5
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Not patronising at all. Clever and thought provoking. Well done Boring Accountant!
434
12/02/2021 15:21:59 16 8
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Put bluntly, if you are dead then you are locked up for eternity.

Get a grip.
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12/02/2021 15:24:04 16 9
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Yes lockdown is a "massive sacrifice" while a thousand people a day are dying and nurses and doctors are working their backsides off to keep it under control. Poor you.
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537
12/02/2021 15:28:32 4 16
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Well said
555
12/02/2021 15:29:48 17 3
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Some people have made bigger sacrifices than others. If everybody had worked together there would have been no need to fine so many idiots for breaking lock down rules; but sadly there is still a minority that believe that they are immune to s0d the rest of you!
591
12/02/2021 15:32:57 18 9
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What a selfish attitude. Me, me ,me - Typical of people in this country
598
12/02/2021 15:33:14 18 7
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The people who've lost family or work front line witnessing the horrors of ICU have made 'massive sacrifices'. I'm sure the majority of us are willing to wait a little longer for the pubs to open or a trip to Primark! Covid is rife, stupidity even more so. There's no vaccine for the later.
601
12/02/2021 15:33:39 17 7
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How was it patronising? Because it didn't agree with your world view?
622
12/02/2021 15:35:21 8 1
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The lock down will continue as many of us, as for myself and many others who have lost our jobs, there is no spare cash for a holiday or meeting up for drinks or going to the shops.
644
12/02/2021 15:36:53 12 4
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Patronising rather a moronic statement given both the gravity of the virus and YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME, my belief is very much in favour of Boring Accountant.
If your post was not so infantile I doubt anyone is suggesting we will be locked up forever, if Male grow a pair otherwise just act with a modicum of maturity.
666
12/02/2021 15:38:15 3 4
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They should have thrown away your key....
669
12/02/2021 15:38:27 12 4
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It wont be forever and why are we 'locked up' ?
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Jon
12/02/2021 15:39:22 11 4
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If the considerable number of Covidiots in the UK had done what the rest of us have been doing all along, we would be in a far better place now.
688
12/02/2021 15:39:28 9 2
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We. They. Everyone has made sacrifices and some have made the ultimate sacrifice. As you do not have a viable answer to the problem, why not focus on the positive aspects of the vaccine roll out.
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12/02/2021 14:52:06 18 17
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I just went to the supermarket and many elderly are forgetting to social distance now - shop staff kept having to remind them to queue spaced apart etc We have got to be careful we don't negate the sacrifices we have made, by easing too early. A sustained period without lockdown will only happen with a low infection rate, mainly because covid can still be dangerous for children.
85
12/02/2021 14:55:19 6 3
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Yep! I had that in M&S last week. Had to tell the two old ladies behind me to keep back.
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12/02/2021 15:14:54 0 1
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Take a cattle-prod with you next time...!
521
12/02/2021 15:27:14 0 1
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Maybe they were just getting their own back on 'yoof'? You're right though but it's not new.
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kh
12/02/2021 14:48:24 64 317
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I would like to dispute everything you said but BBC will delete my comment.
86
12/02/2021 14:55:31 4 30
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Yes as was mine.
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12/02/2021 14:55:35 1240 271
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Once the 99% most vulnerable have been vaccinated we do need to open up society again. People have lost their jobs, people with cancer aren't being diagnosed, there's a mental health and loneliness crisis, NHS waiting lists are at a record high. Coronavirus isn't the only thing you can die from. Enough is enough.
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Ann
12/02/2021 14:58:42 671 499
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Totally agree. This hysteria around covid lockdowns has gone too far.
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12/02/2021 15:12:37 133 215
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You really don't get it do you.
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12/02/2021 15:16:15 155 124
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But we've tried that twice already! Opening up too soon overwhelms healthcare. What do you think happens to cancer diagnosis clinics then? Vaccinating elderly people gets the death rate down but it doesn't stop younger people from getting very sick indeed and needing a long time in hospital.
354
12/02/2021 15:16:31 143 87
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And numpties are still roaming the country, ignoring the rules.
572
12/02/2021 15:31:27 9 37
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Along with the Private medical sector , doing NOTHING , but waiting in the background ready to make money from this virus hiding behind helping with the NHS waiting list backlog ..????????
660
12/02/2021 15:33:51 15 40
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I thought recent stats showed that there had not been a reduction in the level of cancer diagnosis, or the number of people starting treatment, compared with 12 months ago?
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12/02/2021 15:42:16 48 78
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Another person who doesn't understand what covid is. If you open up and allow everyone under 50 to develop covid then it will mutate and the vaccines will be worthless. We will be back to square one.

Educate yourself before you speak.
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SP
12/02/2021 15:44:46 68 10
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Whatever may be the reason, the endless lockdown cannot be the permanent solution

If natural selection process of the nature couldn't be stopped then we should learn to live with it
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12/02/2021 15:50:03 31 19
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If we hadn't locked down then the NHS would have been more overwhelmed than it was. That obviously would mean less people with cancer being diagnosed, waiting lists being even longer and of course more deaths from covid-19.
914
12/02/2021 15:57:54 28 45
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Enough is enough? You are clueless and your 200+ up voters too. No wonder so many people are still getting infected.
935
12/02/2021 15:59:20 27 39
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That was the reasoning behind relaxing all restrictions in August and September 2020. The outcome was catastrophic. We are still living with the legacy today. Premature relaxation is totally the wrong thing to do.
958
12/02/2021 16:00:49 11 14
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Well you'll have to wait until May then, because until then the most vulnerable will NOT be as fully protected as possible.
Last of the most vulnerable (16-64 with underlying health issues) won't have their 1st dose until mid March, then 10-12 weeks for their 2nd & 3 weeks for it to become effective, so mid to late May at the earliest.
12/02/2021 16:04:16 23 19
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Missed cancer diagnoses and long NHS waiting lists are a result of hospitals full of COVID patients . Nothing to do with lockdown itself . Lockdown is the solution to empty the hospitals back to normal so they can get back to their day jobs . I accept lockdown comes at price - but it's one we have to pay.
12/02/2021 16:07:26 17 17
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An R rate of 0.7 - 0.9 on the still high numbers of positive test results does not mean we were out of the woods yet.

Yesterday there were almost 13.5k positive test results - that still means between 9,450 and 12,150 people have been infected by those people. That’s just yesterday, repeat that daily. It’s not hysteria to carry on being very cautious until numbers are much lower. .
12/02/2021 16:07:56 21 2
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exactly all other ills have not suddenly just gone away I am not belittling this vile disease and all those who have died from it but there are still other major health problems what about them
12/02/2021 16:10:32 15 7
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I agree, but I'd much rather wait a few more weeks until the R rate has fallen even further so that the NHS isn't overstretched. Otherwise we'll all be moaning that the restrictions were lifted soon.

Just be patient for a bit longer. No one likes lockdown, but we want to make sure it's safe for everyone.
12/02/2021 16:13:09 6 10
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The problem is that if high infection rates persist within the less vulnerable (nobody is guaranteed safe) then the virus will go mutating rapidly and we will soon be back at square one.
12/02/2021 16:13:40 18 7
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spot on. This focus on 1 issue only has to end
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12/02/2021 14:49:41 10 13
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If opening the schools is really top priority vaccinate the teachers now. It takes 3 weeks for vaccine to kick on. I know some folk will say what about other workers but kids catch and pass stuff on easily no matter what parts of the scientific advice the government choose to fit their approach. Kids are very unlikely to catch it or pass it they said. Pull the other one
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12/02/2021 14:55:43 2 2
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Kids are very, very low risk
Teachers will be low risk based on the fact they are working age
If they're medically vulnerable they will be offered a vacc anyway
Anyone they could pass it on who is high risk will have been vacc
So why do all of them?
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12/02/2021 14:55:58 176 13
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Whatever the reasons for it going down, lets just rejoice that it is going down!!!
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12/02/2021 15:23:35 131 25
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And keep doing what we need to do to get it to a low level (it isn't yet).
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12/02/2021 14:45:09 279 187
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Really great news. Maybe not so much for the 100,000+ dead, or their families though!

Just hope that PM doesn’t bow to the pressure to open pubs and restaurants etc, otherwise we’ll see those numbers climb again, and more economic damage and deaths will follow.
90
12/02/2021 14:56:03 28 14
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100,000 dead but we must not claim all of them are Covid!

Deaths "with covid" is not a coincidence but it is not q definitive cause either. Almost 40k excess deaths in the home without Covid stamped on the death certificate is solid proof may misattributed deaths in the UK. We have credited more Covid deaths than we had excess deaths too.
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12/02/2021 15:01:26 24 22
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Exactly. Even if Covid 19 didn't exist, the majority of those 100000 would have still died.
12/02/2021 16:20:31 3 2
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and the excess death figure includes people who died FROM Covid as well as people who died BECAUSE of Covid (i.e. they couldn't access the medical care they needed, the restrictions affected their mental, physical, financial etc health). People who died WITH Covid but not FROM it are part of the normal annual death toll.
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12/02/2021 14:51:32 11 3
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Is that your rant over now?
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12/02/2021 14:56:04 3 12
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Aww diddums. Are you upset that someone commented, who happens to disagree with you ?
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12/02/2021 14:44:48 63 42
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Good news, but quite a gradual fall.
We really have to question whether the benefits of lockdown outweigh the massive costs, both financially and to ourselves as humans.
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12/02/2021 14:56:14 8 5
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If we want rates to fall quicker, we need to isolate more.

The UK with it's open borders, its weak restrictions ( my own area tier 1 saw case nos doubling every 9d for 2m before last NLD) has suffered for longer and with more deaths etc as a consequence.

Weak measures, weak govt, weak enforcement all have a cost.

Toughest nations near normal, UK 120k+ deaths and back in NLD again 11 months in.
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12/02/2021 14:44:43 221 42
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well dont blame the wife and i as we are still prisoners at home and not seen the kids for 15 months
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12/02/2021 14:56:16 178 41
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Thanks for taking it seriously. Your sacrifices may have saved a life or 2. Would consider outdoor meetings at distance when allowed to again in garden or similar. Need to keep the soul happy as well as our body.
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12/02/2021 15:13:31 3 18
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Really? Who were they then?
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12/02/2021 15:34:45 10 22
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Do you ask Boris what to have on your sandwiches? Unbelievable.
12/02/2021 16:46:43 4 11
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Who are you to say "thank you"
12/02/2021 17:07:00 10 7
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What a load of tripe.
12/02/2021 20:13:03 2 1
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A life or two? Potentially hundreds.
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12/02/2021 14:51:44 13 2
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Unfortunately there have been large swathes who haven't known what to do and ignored the rules and probably prolonged things. Fortunately we have modern science and vaccines.
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12/02/2021 14:56:21 5 5
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Dominic Cummings of course.
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12/02/2021 14:56:21 1 9
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It’s not lockdown, it’s vaccines.
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12/02/2021 15:00:03 5 2
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No it isn't - it's both .
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12/02/2021 15:00:35 0 1
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There’s not much evidence that this is true. At best it’s part of the reason in the last 2 days, when R has reached 0.67.
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12/02/2021 14:52:06 12 31
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There's NO evidence that "lockdown is working".

Falling transmission rate is most likely due to the fact that a very large proportion of the population have had Covid-19, mostly without symptoms or with only very mild ones. Vaccination is likely to have had only a small effect.

Lockdowns do not and never will work, except in the minds of the deluded.
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12/02/2021 14:56:27 2 2
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Look at the graphs showing infections falling after lockdowns and RISING when lockdown is lifted. So simple to work out.
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12/02/2021 14:54:22 27 30
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Plandemic. Get Businesses open & restore liberties immediately.
97
12/02/2021 14:56:28 17 14
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Boring, predictable, infantile troll.
12/02/2021 19:03:10 0 0
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There’s irony
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12/02/2021 14:54:34 283 110
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Well of course you can slow the spread of the virus if you place literally everything that makes life worth living into suspended animation! The difficult question which the politicians and press continually fail to answer, is : is it worth it? And also: what is Plan B, in case the vaccines don’t keep up with the mutations? It’s time for some less sentimental cost/benefit calculations.
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12/02/2021 14:56:38 77 148
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If the vaccines don't work then we fo back into lockdown.
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12/02/2021 15:08:59 24 9
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Of course we can’t continuously....grow up
Jim
12/02/2021 16:12:40 3 0
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If the vaccines don't work then people will not accept lockdown. If there is no vaccine for Coronavirus, do you really think that locking people down for the rest of their lives would be acceptable to people?
12/02/2021 16:43:59 1 0
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If the vaccines don't work I think it is more likely that the government will be forced to abandon lockdowns anyway. Because the cumulative costs of lockdown are just too high and without vaccinces their is not much to be gained from the delaying tactic of lockdown.
12/02/2021 17:07:53 2 1
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Nope, we won't, the Great British Public won't put up with any more of this rubbish.
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12/02/2021 14:44:43 221 42
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well dont blame the wife and i as we are still prisoners at home and not seen the kids for 15 months
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kh
12/02/2021 14:50:55 4 19
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That serves you right for being able to host an infectious disease, Matt Hancock said so
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12/02/2021 14:44:00 513 43
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Great news, and great news that vaccine target is about to be hit. Finally some good news In this crisis. #staysafe
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kh
12/02/2021 14:51:18 54 352
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Good grief
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12/02/2021 16:03:02 24 1
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It IS great news kh. If the number of cases were not going down across the UK then the news would be "bad news" because it would mean there is more contact with people not rigidly following rules and guidelines resulting in further spread and exponential growth.
12/02/2021 19:50:09 5 0
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And your problem is...?