Covid-19: How England's hotel quarantine will differ from Australia's
12/02/2021 | news | health | 313
Rules for those arriving into England from "red list" countries differ from those enforced Down Under.
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12/02/2021 10:52:33 7 9
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Johnson and his government have an established tradition of implementing policies that are full of holes and leak like a sieve. The latest weak (and woefully late) rules on hotel quarantining are just the latest example. The only objective seems to be expensive window dressing while waving through anything which benefits the rich, the elite and the policies of the hard right Tories.
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12/02/2021 11:09:59 10 7
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Could Labour do any better? I doubt it!
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12/02/2021 11:50:14 0 0
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non of these rules apply to EU people travelling to UK except Portugal
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12/02/2021 10:57:14 27 12
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The biggest difference is that Australia's is effective, England's won't be.
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12/02/2021 11:09:05 9 7
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It's only effective in the short term! They need to get the vaccine rolled out.
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12/02/2021 10:58:05 1 11
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why are we paying for food in the hotel. Deliver groceries and charge less. alot less. at this point its cheaper to fly to Costa rica quarantine their for 10 days enjoy the rest of the month and fly back from a non red list country for the same price as a crap hotel in the UK. know what i would do
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VoR
12/02/2021 11:40:26 2 0
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If you are quarantining there, you aren't enjoying the time there much. And if you aren't, you are putting people's lives at risk purely because you are selfish.
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12/02/2021 12:34:28 1 0
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Laughable comment. Keep it priced as it is. It's a deterrent not to travel to UK at this time. And "what you would do" highlights the irresponsibility of so many today. Why would you even consider flying anywhere at this time?
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12/02/2021 11:00:20 4 4
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Hotel quarantine in Australia is not all upsides.

Whole cities go into lockdown for if the virus gets out.

It is completely unsustainable as a policy in the long term and can only be beaten with a vaccine or herd immunity.
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VoR
12/02/2021 11:39:04 2 0
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And then they come out again. Meanwhile the rest of the country continues as normal.
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12/02/2021 11:49:07 1 0
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theres no such thing as herd immunity. covid will mutate each year
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12/02/2021 12:30:48 1 0
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No one is even suggesting it is a long term policy. It's a proven "must have policy" until we have sufficient numbers of population vaccinated and even then you continue with "hotel quarantine" as that indeed is sustainable.
Lockdown is NOT a policy. Lockdown is a necessity to get the numbers down and under control when we've allowed them to get out of control.
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MVP
12/02/2021 11:00:52 21 6
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The UK hotel quarantine plans differ from those in Australia in that they are not as strict.

And they have not yet been fully implemented either.

Which is probably why the UK has nearly 4 million cases and the highest number of deaths in Europe while Australia has less in total over a year than an average day in the UK
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12/02/2021 11:14:04 18 8
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You may or may not be right about the strictness, but remember Australia is *vastly* bigger than the UK with less than a third the population all spread out much further. Smaller cities, less people, further apart all makes disease transmission less prevalent. Yes, they clamped down hard but it's not a like-for-like comparison.
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OwO
12/02/2021 11:30:22 1 4
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"Highest number" is a silly metric, but you know that. Try looking at per captia and your false claims fall away.
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12/02/2021 11:48:38 0 2
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only Portugal is on the red-list rest of EU can travel to UK lol
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12/02/2021 11:04:08 6 7
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Welcome hotel california - what a farce- we have a very active variant which we have exported to many countries & now we introduce actual quarantine; what is the point of this all when footballers, tennis players, cricketers, formula 1 racing drivers & their teams have been exempt from restrictions enforced on us less ordinary mere mortals. I simply cannot take anything any politician seriously
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12/02/2021 11:07:06 7 9
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How is Australia's Vaccination roll out going?
This disease is endemic and lockdowns will only delay things in the end unless they get everyone vaccinated. At least the UK are ahead with this. Let's look on the bright side BBC and stop picking holes in everything the Government is doing.
I have had my first BRITISH Astra Zeneca jab. Hooray!
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12/02/2021 11:10:23 6 1
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Not to mention the fact that clinical trials of a vaccine need the virus to be circulating in the first place. Remember last summer, when they said that they were worried there weren't enough infected people to test the vaccine?

COVID free countries who benefit from a vaccine can only do so because others took the hit.
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12/02/2021 11:34:41 3 1
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I am glad you are enjoying our vaccine rollout so much! But I see little reason to brag about it. In my experience, a turd with a cherry on top is still a turd. Giving Vaccines now will not bring back any of the tens of thousands that died in our country due to the poor handling of the pandemic by our government.
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VoR
12/02/2021 11:36:27 2 0
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The problem here is that the information is out there and the government is ignoring it, without good reason. I work in a global business and a key advantage that we have is that we gather and analyse data from many countries. That includes where Covid is concerned. (We cover risks including mortality, morbidity, unemployment, event cancellation, flights grounded etc.).
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12/02/2021 11:47:52 0 0
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Astra Zeneca jab doesn't work according to EU.

UK still has borders open with EU they are not on the red list
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12/02/2021 12:12:40 1 0
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Remember that AZ is half Swedish (and that's the first half).
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12/02/2021 11:08:29 16 4
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It would have been better to hire out a few large caravan parks, instead of hotels. No chance of accumulated air in a room drifting across the corridor.

We would have had to restrict incoming flights to airports away from cities, nearer to country camp sites. But given that you're spending days in quarantine, the inconvenience of having to travel after that is minor.
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VoR
12/02/2021 11:31:41 8 1
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This actually sounds like an idea worth looking into.
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12/02/2021 11:46:57 1 1
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yeah all they have to do is send them to holiday resorts
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12/02/2021 15:18:42 0 3
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The Australians basically do just that. Currently their repatriation flights fly to Northern Territory. You face 2 weeks quarantine in a camp site, 1/2 hour or so out of Darwin. EVERYONE is placed in SINGLE rooms - exceptions made for small children. You get 3 packed meals a day, they look dreadful. You have to pay to get there, to stay there & get back home. Extremely expensive & INHUMANE.
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12/02/2021 10:57:14 27 12
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The biggest difference is that Australia's is effective, England's won't be.
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12/02/2021 11:09:05 9 7
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It's only effective in the short term! They need to get the vaccine rolled out.
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12/02/2021 11:49:44 0 0
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testing at borders is effective
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12/02/2021 12:36:50 3 0
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It's effective regardless how long. The traveler pays the cost and as long as quarantine measures prevent any spread to the community then that is how effective it is.
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13/02/2021 05:28:22 3 0
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Isnt that the point, use effective measures to minimise transmission while you roll out vaccines and develop treatments
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12/02/2021 11:09:43 2 13
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Hotel security guard was said to have caught it by breathing it in!! More likely he caught it by touching areas in corridor contaminated by someone with virus touching it. Having read up on virus airborne transmission, its very unlikely he caught it that way.
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VoR
12/02/2021 11:30:37 4 1
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They've reviewed the CTV to see what he did.
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12/02/2021 11:39:02 3 0
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Read up on it again.
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12/02/2021 11:46:15 2 0
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just shows you covid is spread by air travel
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12/02/2021 12:19:22 2 0
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"Having read up on virus airborne transmission, its very unlikely he caught it that way"? Did you actually read the article above? Especially the bit "A widely-held assumption is infectious aerosols had accumulated in the air in this poorly-ventilated space and had led to his infection."? Growing evidence risks being transmitted either between rooms or between rooms public areas such as corridors.
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12/02/2021 10:52:33 7 9
bbc
Johnson and his government have an established tradition of implementing policies that are full of holes and leak like a sieve. The latest weak (and woefully late) rules on hotel quarantining are just the latest example. The only objective seems to be expensive window dressing while waving through anything which benefits the rich, the elite and the policies of the hard right Tories.
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12/02/2021 11:09:59 10 7
bbc
Could Labour do any better? I doubt it!
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12/02/2021 11:17:13 4 0
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Anyone.. anyone who is elected, makes promises and fails should expect (and deserves) to be held to account.
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12/02/2021 11:18:27 5 5
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Remember, Labour are the ones pushing for younger healthier less clinically vulnerable teachers to be vaccinated before older more vulnerable people. That reeks of union interference and, if done, would inevitably lead to the deaths of more vulnerable people who didn't get vaccinated in time. Your doubt is well founded.
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VoR
12/02/2021 11:43:14 2 1
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I don't, given that their current leadership seems to have better understanding of project management and data, not to mention a better work ethic. PMQs alone demonstrates that Boris and a large number of key ministers really are not competent, whereas Labour have been surprisingly so.
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12/02/2021 11:54:33 1 0
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Labour are not in power ...
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12/02/2021 12:48:16 2 0
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So that makes it alright then does it?

They couldn't do any worse either btw
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13/02/2021 06:44:10 0 0
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typical gov supporter answer. Deflection and evasion
Labour is not in power and as oppositionis expected to hold gov to account.
Speculation as to we what they would or not do if in power is pointless. What the current gov does or does not do is what's important
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12/02/2021 11:07:06 7 9
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How is Australia's Vaccination roll out going?
This disease is endemic and lockdowns will only delay things in the end unless they get everyone vaccinated. At least the UK are ahead with this. Let's look on the bright side BBC and stop picking holes in everything the Government is doing.
I have had my first BRITISH Astra Zeneca jab. Hooray!
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12/02/2021 11:10:23 6 1
bbc
Not to mention the fact that clinical trials of a vaccine need the virus to be circulating in the first place. Remember last summer, when they said that they were worried there weren't enough infected people to test the vaccine?

COVID free countries who benefit from a vaccine can only do so because others took the hit.
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MVP
12/02/2021 11:00:52 21 6
bbc
The UK hotel quarantine plans differ from those in Australia in that they are not as strict.

And they have not yet been fully implemented either.

Which is probably why the UK has nearly 4 million cases and the highest number of deaths in Europe while Australia has less in total over a year than an average day in the UK
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12/02/2021 11:14:04 18 8
bbc
You may or may not be right about the strictness, but remember Australia is *vastly* bigger than the UK with less than a third the population all spread out much further. Smaller cities, less people, further apart all makes disease transmission less prevalent. Yes, they clamped down hard but it's not a like-for-like comparison.
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12/02/2021 11:27:15 6 2
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No it's not a like for like situation! 1 took a hardline approach whilst the other took a wishy washy approach. Oz is bigger than UK, pop of about 25mil to UK 66mil, yet most of Oz is in 6 cities! UK should have got rid of it by now as they are an island if they locked their borders, but fears of damaging the Economy & moaners saying it would, stopped them . Instead they've damaged their Economy!
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VoR
12/02/2021 11:38:37 3 1
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Their cities are not really smaller.

Sydney (5.230m)
Melbourne (4.936m)
Brisbane (2.463m)
Perth (2.059m)
Adelaide (1.346m)

London – 10,979,000.
Manchester – 2,727,000.
Birmingham-Wolverhampton – 2,605,000.
Leeds-Bradford – 1,890,000.
Glasgow – 1,259,000.
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12/02/2021 12:26:30 3 0
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Nothing to do with size, population or otherwise. It's to do with "international arrivals". A number of countries have shown not a single case of "local spread" for any number of months but EVERY NEW CASE an "international arrival".
Australia has had to learn fast and update it's measures to be 100% effective as a single new case "escaping" is lockdown for everyone.
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12/02/2021 17:04:11 4 0
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All the more reason the UK needs STRICTER rules!
Australia and NZ adopted a elimation/exclusion strategy, Boris adopted a herd immunity/max out the hospitals strategy. Neither were perfect but its clear who has had the most success. Boris is learning, latest is lesson is that the more infections the less effective vaccines become. This why they are now panicing with quarantines.
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Bob
12/02/2021 11:16:08 6 8
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So we compare to Australia as it "seen as the best", the article highlights how people must stay in their room & not go outside to smoke or exercise, citing security staff as vectors for transmission.

It then continues to contrast to New Zealand who doesn't have that rule, yet seen fewer cases.

So how is Australia's methods proof of anything if another country has seen fewer resulting cases?
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VoR
12/02/2021 11:30:06 8 1
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Because New Zealand has far fewer travelers?

Also the proof of Australia's measures is they did it our way first. Then they investigated how the virus escaped from the hotels into the communities, and updated their processes to improve them. We have essentially ignored what they learnt from their investigations and failed to apply the updates.
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12/02/2021 11:45:36 1 1
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New Zealand tested everyone coming into the country since the pandemic started

Some British people spread UK variant there
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12/02/2021 12:14:34 3 0
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It isn't a question of New Zealand doesn't have that rule yet seen fewer cases, it's a question of how effective is the training and adherence by security staff not to mingle, not to get close. Australia found that some staff were not sufficiently trained and lacked adherence to rules. Also they now see the risk of infectious aerosols accumulated in the air in poorly-ventilated space.
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12/02/2021 11:09:59 10 7
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Could Labour do any better? I doubt it!
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12/02/2021 11:17:13 4 0
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Anyone.. anyone who is elected, makes promises and fails should expect (and deserves) to be held to account.
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12/02/2021 11:09:59 10 7
bbc
Could Labour do any better? I doubt it!
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12/02/2021 11:18:27 5 5
bbc
Remember, Labour are the ones pushing for younger healthier less clinically vulnerable teachers to be vaccinated before older more vulnerable people. That reeks of union interference and, if done, would inevitably lead to the deaths of more vulnerable people who didn't get vaccinated in time. Your doubt is well founded.
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VoR
12/02/2021 11:44:03 2 1
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Because they are front line and some of the older, more vulnerable, are not. And I say that as someone with a clinically vulnerable family member.
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12/02/2021 11:20:52 36 10
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Boris or his crew have asked the Aussies, but turned away all that they advised (Reported this morning on BBC).
The botched up process will continue and the variants will just carry on entering this country via airports.
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12/02/2021 11:23:23 12 8
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and from the south of England!!
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12/02/2021 11:44:41 5 1
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via airports and ports
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12/02/2021 11:54:06 1 4
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Variants will present themselves wherever they have to work at overcoming an immune system and particularly in long-term Covid patients (also anecdotally in those treated with convalescent plasma, where the virus is presented with multiple immune responses to battle with). Your comment is ill-educated.
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12/02/2021 15:08:03 3 0
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"Reported by the BBC". Must be true then!
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13/02/2021 07:26:32 4 1
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We do seem to leave the door open , last March wasnt it and we finally start doing things 11 months later.
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13/02/2021 14:30:09 0 0
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The solution to the pandemic is vaccine for every country. Lockdowns and closed boarders will slow things down but not stop them. We should keep improving vaccines and other treatments until this virus and other dangerous viruses are dead and gone.
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12/02/2021 11:22:02 6 2
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While we're all getting distracted over this hotel quarantine malarky, some right-wing media outlets are reporting that lockdown restrictions in the UK may still be in place at Christmas. Luckily, the BBC hasn't reported that (or that the schools may start going back on March 8th) as it would be accused of scaremongering or raising false hopes, depending on your personal bias.
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12/02/2021 12:55:09 0 3
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That would be good. Not that our useless political class will look that far ahead, get schools closed properly till then etc.
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12/02/2021 11:20:52 36 10
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Boris or his crew have asked the Aussies, but turned away all that they advised (Reported this morning on BBC).
The botched up process will continue and the variants will just carry on entering this country via airports.
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12/02/2021 11:23:23 12 8
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and from the south of England!!
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12/02/2021 15:09:01 1 0
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So much for the "Burnham" variant reported in Manchester.
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12/02/2021 11:14:04 18 8
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You may or may not be right about the strictness, but remember Australia is *vastly* bigger than the UK with less than a third the population all spread out much further. Smaller cities, less people, further apart all makes disease transmission less prevalent. Yes, they clamped down hard but it's not a like-for-like comparison.
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12/02/2021 11:27:15 6 2
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No it's not a like for like situation! 1 took a hardline approach whilst the other took a wishy washy approach. Oz is bigger than UK, pop of about 25mil to UK 66mil, yet most of Oz is in 6 cities! UK should have got rid of it by now as they are an island if they locked their borders, but fears of damaging the Economy & moaners saying it would, stopped them . Instead they've damaged their Economy!
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12/02/2021 11:28:58 35 12
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Yet again it seems that the UK will be implementing a Covid security measure more slowly, and less effectively than other countries. Why do they never learn? No gain without pain. Why do they always compromise with the "I want" brigade? Compromise just means that dealing with Covid will be a very long drawn-out process, as a result of ineffective measures.
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OwO
12/02/2021 11:33:10 14 20
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Australia clamps down harder than anyone but, as the article above states, has a higher infection rate than NZ. The evidence presented in this article suggest stricter rules have a negative impact, so why would you do that?

Restrict people too much and they'll just do what they want - rules are only useful while people follow them.
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12/02/2021 11:44:20 8 1
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Boris follows the economy not the Science
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12/02/2021 11:52:34 8 2
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This is probably because we are completely different from any other country in the world! Nobody could have ever guessed that testing, face coverings, quarantines and all these things work for us British, too. Totally worth thinking about it for some month first.
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12/02/2021 13:06:53 1 3
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THE MOB HERE IN THE U/K ARE SCREAMING NOW !! JUST IMAGINE THE NOISE IF PROPERLY LOCKED DOWN?? THEN THE BUG WOULD NOT JUST GET LOST?? IT WOULD BE WAITING?? JUST NOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE FORCED TO REALISE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A TRADE OFF,,LIVING OR DIEYING ,OF NO WORK/LIFE?? THEN WHAT?? NO GOVT CAN SUPPORT THE MOB FOR EVER??
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13/02/2021 12:05:56 0 0
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You must be in the “I can’t have and you cannot have because I am in the jealous brigade “ . Tough .
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12/02/2021 11:29:49 6 4
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There's no definitive explanation for how she caught the virus but one suggestion is that the doors of both rooms were opened at the same time to collect meals.
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And a little chin-wag in the corridor perhaps?
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Bob
12/02/2021 11:16:08 6 8
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So we compare to Australia as it "seen as the best", the article highlights how people must stay in their room & not go outside to smoke or exercise, citing security staff as vectors for transmission.

It then continues to contrast to New Zealand who doesn't have that rule, yet seen fewer cases.

So how is Australia's methods proof of anything if another country has seen fewer resulting cases?
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VoR
12/02/2021 11:30:06 8 1
bbc
Because New Zealand has far fewer travelers?

Also the proof of Australia's measures is they did it our way first. Then they investigated how the virus escaped from the hotels into the communities, and updated their processes to improve them. We have essentially ignored what they learnt from their investigations and failed to apply the updates.
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Bob
12/02/2021 11:47:47 0 1
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Except that isn't the case. Accounting for number of people in facilities the number is still lower for NZ.
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MVP
12/02/2021 11:00:52 21 6
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The UK hotel quarantine plans differ from those in Australia in that they are not as strict.

And they have not yet been fully implemented either.

Which is probably why the UK has nearly 4 million cases and the highest number of deaths in Europe while Australia has less in total over a year than an average day in the UK
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OwO
12/02/2021 11:30:22 1 4
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"Highest number" is a silly metric, but you know that. Try looking at per captia and your false claims fall away.
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12/02/2021 11:09:43 2 13
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Hotel security guard was said to have caught it by breathing it in!! More likely he caught it by touching areas in corridor contaminated by someone with virus touching it. Having read up on virus airborne transmission, its very unlikely he caught it that way.
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VoR
12/02/2021 11:30:37 4 1
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They've reviewed the CTV to see what he did.
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12/02/2021 12:05:37 0 2
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and does it shows that he never in all the time he was outside. touched a wall door knob or anything?
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13/02/2021 13:46:41 0 0
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How do you know they reviewed the CTV?
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12/02/2021 11:23:28 7 9
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Sorry, but I'm actually laughing.

It's like watching a black comedy. One gets imprisoned and is then forced to pay through the nose for the privilege.

And, as pointed out, Australia still gets infections despite all its way over the top panic measures.
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12/02/2021 11:43:57 5 2
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they have less than UK
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12/02/2021 11:59:44 2 1
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Laugh all you want David Getling. You so obviously overlooked if Australia still gets infections "despite all its way over the top panic measures", imagine the rates of infection if these "way over the top panic measures" were not in place?
99% of current cases of Covid-19 in Victoria had arisen from the Rydges or Stamford Plaza hotels used for hotel quarantine and that's despite these measures!
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12/02/2021 12:53:46 1 1
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Well it is two weeks jail for being stupid and traveling over any border, or ten years if trying to avoid it. Seems a light punishment for bad behaviours if honest about doing it! Call it education! Stop travelling.
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12/02/2021 11:08:29 16 4
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It would have been better to hire out a few large caravan parks, instead of hotels. No chance of accumulated air in a room drifting across the corridor.

We would have had to restrict incoming flights to airports away from cities, nearer to country camp sites. But given that you're spending days in quarantine, the inconvenience of having to travel after that is minor.
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VoR
12/02/2021 11:31:41 8 1
bbc
This actually sounds like an idea worth looking into.
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12/02/2021 11:28:58 35 12
bbc
Yet again it seems that the UK will be implementing a Covid security measure more slowly, and less effectively than other countries. Why do they never learn? No gain without pain. Why do they always compromise with the "I want" brigade? Compromise just means that dealing with Covid will be a very long drawn-out process, as a result of ineffective measures.
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OwO
12/02/2021 11:33:10 14 20
bbc
Australia clamps down harder than anyone but, as the article above states, has a higher infection rate than NZ. The evidence presented in this article suggest stricter rules have a negative impact, so why would you do that?

Restrict people too much and they'll just do what they want - rules are only useful while people follow them.
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12/02/2021 12:06:40 13 0
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"The evidence presented in this article suggest stricter rules have a negative impact"? Complete and utter nonsense. The evidence suggests that stricter rules have to be even stricter to eradicate the spread.
"Restrict people too much and they'll just do what they want"? Wow. So I guess you're one of those doing what you want because you find it all "too restrictive"?
Such a #MeMeMe view you have.
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12/02/2021 11:34:08 33 6
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The determined visitor to the UK will engineer their travel pans to ensure their flight is not from the 33 red list. Passports must all now have entry and exit (electronic)stamps to control such movements. Well done to Oz who seem to have far more stringent controls and that these work. As does the Isle of Man.
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OwO
12/02/2021 11:35:46 14 24
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Did you read the article? Australia's restrictions *don't* work, as explicitly detailed.
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12/02/2021 11:45:04 5 1
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Not just Australia and Isle of Man but also Hong Kong, Thailand, Singapore to mention just three more where ALL INTERNATIONAL ARRIVALS must have pre-booked a quarantine hotel beforehand!
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13/02/2021 14:40:19 1 0
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The solution to the pandemic is vaccine for every country. Lockdowns and closed boarders will slow things down but not stop them. We should keep improving vaccines and other treatments until this virus and other dangerous viruses are dead and gone.
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13/02/2021 20:15:21 0 0
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Travel leaves a trail. Travelling from a Red List country and not declaring it can give you a nice stay free in a Government run hotel. The doors do happen to clang a bit but loads of time to think why you should have declared your travel.
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12/02/2021 11:07:06 7 9
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How is Australia's Vaccination roll out going?
This disease is endemic and lockdowns will only delay things in the end unless they get everyone vaccinated. At least the UK are ahead with this. Let's look on the bright side BBC and stop picking holes in everything the Government is doing.
I have had my first BRITISH Astra Zeneca jab. Hooray!
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12/02/2021 11:34:41 3 1
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I am glad you are enjoying our vaccine rollout so much! But I see little reason to brag about it. In my experience, a turd with a cherry on top is still a turd. Giving Vaccines now will not bring back any of the tens of thousands that died in our country due to the poor handling of the pandemic by our government.
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12/02/2021 11:35:24 2 8
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Comparing the UK with Australia is akin to comparing a mosque with a mosquito.
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12/02/2021 11:37:30 4 1
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That be a mozzyozzy.
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12/02/2021 11:44:54 1 2
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Yes but drawing any kind of `apparently' unfavourable comparison to the UK's ongoing pandemic strategy is the BBC's raison d'être. It's just a left-wing sniping shop, designed to trigger outrage, instil fear and garner clicks at the licence payers expense.

Nice work if you can get it.
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12/02/2021 11:43:01 3 2
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its more like someone saying Churchill was not a racist
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12/02/2021 11:34:08 33 6
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The determined visitor to the UK will engineer their travel pans to ensure their flight is not from the 33 red list. Passports must all now have entry and exit (electronic)stamps to control such movements. Well done to Oz who seem to have far more stringent controls and that these work. As does the Isle of Man.
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OwO
12/02/2021 11:35:46 14 24
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Did you read the article? Australia's restrictions *don't* work, as explicitly detailed.
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12/02/2021 11:43:34 5 1
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New Zealands work
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12/02/2021 11:57:08 7 0
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while the Austrailian system is not perfect, it is working far better than what we have been doing here in the UK, perhaps you can tell us how much freedom do the Aussies have in there towns and cities, and how many infections there are there, all in comparison to here in the UK
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12/02/2021 13:12:23 8 0
bbc
Did YOU read the article? With Australia lessons have been learnt and implemented "live". Something "doesn't work" only after every effort has be done to make it work and found still "not to work". In the case of Australia's restrictions we clearly see that has been the case. Restrictions have been modified and updated, training and practices improved, and the latest finding is being addressed.
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12/02/2021 20:47:36 1 0
bbc
Yes, Quarantine is only effective if individuals are completely isolated.



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12/02/2021 11:07:06 7 9
bbc
How is Australia's Vaccination roll out going?
This disease is endemic and lockdowns will only delay things in the end unless they get everyone vaccinated. At least the UK are ahead with this. Let's look on the bright side BBC and stop picking holes in everything the Government is doing.
I have had my first BRITISH Astra Zeneca jab. Hooray!
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VoR
12/02/2021 11:36:27 2 0
bbc
The problem here is that the information is out there and the government is ignoring it, without good reason. I work in a global business and a key advantage that we have is that we gather and analyse data from many countries. That includes where Covid is concerned. (We cover risks including mortality, morbidity, unemployment, event cancellation, flights grounded etc.).
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12/02/2021 11:35:24 2 8
bbc
Comparing the UK with Australia is akin to comparing a mosque with a mosquito.
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12/02/2021 11:37:30 4 1
bbc
That be a mozzyozzy.
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12/02/2021 11:14:04 18 8
bbc
You may or may not be right about the strictness, but remember Australia is *vastly* bigger than the UK with less than a third the population all spread out much further. Smaller cities, less people, further apart all makes disease transmission less prevalent. Yes, they clamped down hard but it's not a like-for-like comparison.
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VoR
12/02/2021 11:38:37 3 1
bbc
Their cities are not really smaller.

Sydney (5.230m)
Melbourne (4.936m)
Brisbane (2.463m)
Perth (2.059m)
Adelaide (1.346m)

London – 10,979,000.
Manchester – 2,727,000.
Birmingham-Wolverhampton – 2,605,000.
Leeds-Bradford – 1,890,000.
Glasgow – 1,259,000.
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12/02/2021 11:09:43 2 13
bbc
Hotel security guard was said to have caught it by breathing it in!! More likely he caught it by touching areas in corridor contaminated by someone with virus touching it. Having read up on virus airborne transmission, its very unlikely he caught it that way.
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12/02/2021 11:39:02 3 0
bbc
Read up on it again.
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12/02/2021 11:00:20 4 4
bbc
Hotel quarantine in Australia is not all upsides.

Whole cities go into lockdown for if the virus gets out.

It is completely unsustainable as a policy in the long term and can only be beaten with a vaccine or herd immunity.
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VoR
12/02/2021 11:39:04 2 0
bbc
And then they come out again. Meanwhile the rest of the country continues as normal.
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12/02/2021 10:58:05 1 11
bbc
why are we paying for food in the hotel. Deliver groceries and charge less. alot less. at this point its cheaper to fly to Costa rica quarantine their for 10 days enjoy the rest of the month and fly back from a non red list country for the same price as a crap hotel in the UK. know what i would do
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VoR
12/02/2021 11:40:26 2 0
bbc
If you are quarantining there, you aren't enjoying the time there much. And if you aren't, you are putting people's lives at risk purely because you are selfish.
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12/02/2021 11:41:57 3 2
bbc
"A widely-held assumption is that INFECTIOUS AEROSOLS had ACCUMULATED IN THE AIR in this POORLY-VENTILATED SPACE and had led to his infection."
Highlights several issues: opening of windows in hotel room - if they can't be opened then you can't refresh the accumulated air in the room - and whomever is in the room opening the door to collect the meals should wash face hands and wear a face mask!
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12/02/2021 11:09:59 10 7
bbc
Could Labour do any better? I doubt it!
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VoR
12/02/2021 11:43:14 2 1
bbc
I don't, given that their current leadership seems to have better understanding of project management and data, not to mention a better work ethic. PMQs alone demonstrates that Boris and a large number of key ministers really are not competent, whereas Labour have been surprisingly so.
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12/02/2021 11:43:30 35 11
bbc
`How England's hotel quarantine will differ from Australia's'

Ours won't be as good as their's and their's leaks.

Its the usual pattern: over-promoted, under-delivered and far too late.
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12/02/2021 11:49:14 24 5
bbc
Added to that Scotland is implimenting a similar quarantine system to Austrailia, but Hancock says that people traveling through English airports can ignore the rules When traveling to Scotland, While johnson claims the UK has one of the strictest quarantine rule in the world. I suppose like the best track and trace system in the world!
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12/02/2021 13:03:15 7 0
bbc
Australia's does not "leak". Re-read the article. Some staff did not follow the protocol on mingling, distance and interaction. These have been tightened. And the one case of a security guard who spent the day on duty in a corridor who caught the virus despite having no contact with anyone is being addressed.
As with almost everything in life there are lessons learnt every day.
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12/02/2021 11:18:27 5 5
bbc
Remember, Labour are the ones pushing for younger healthier less clinically vulnerable teachers to be vaccinated before older more vulnerable people. That reeks of union interference and, if done, would inevitably lead to the deaths of more vulnerable people who didn't get vaccinated in time. Your doubt is well founded.
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VoR
12/02/2021 11:44:03 2 1
bbc
Because they are front line and some of the older, more vulnerable, are not. And I say that as someone with a clinically vulnerable family member.
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12/02/2021 11:35:24 2 8
bbc
Comparing the UK with Australia is akin to comparing a mosque with a mosquito.
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12/02/2021 11:44:54 1 2
bbc
Yes but drawing any kind of `apparently' unfavourable comparison to the UK's ongoing pandemic strategy is the BBC's raison d'être. It's just a left-wing sniping shop, designed to trigger outrage, instil fear and garner clicks at the licence payers expense.

Nice work if you can get it.
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12/02/2021 11:34:08 33 6
bbc
The determined visitor to the UK will engineer their travel pans to ensure their flight is not from the 33 red list. Passports must all now have entry and exit (electronic)stamps to control such movements. Well done to Oz who seem to have far more stringent controls and that these work. As does the Isle of Man.
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12/02/2021 11:45:04 5 1
bbc
Not just Australia and Isle of Man but also Hong Kong, Thailand, Singapore to mention just three more where ALL INTERNATIONAL ARRIVALS must have pre-booked a quarantine hotel beforehand!
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12/02/2021 12:23:43 3 1
bbc
The Isle of Man doesn't have quarantine hotels as in theory only residents can return to the island, but 14 day self isolation is essential with 3 tests, as it was shown people had their symptoms after isolation, final test is day 13. whilst the UK can't even get that right with their 10 day approach!
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VoR
12/02/2021 11:30:06 8 1
bbc
Because New Zealand has far fewer travelers?

Also the proof of Australia's measures is they did it our way first. Then they investigated how the virus escaped from the hotels into the communities, and updated their processes to improve them. We have essentially ignored what they learnt from their investigations and failed to apply the updates.
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Bob
12/02/2021 11:47:47 0 1
bbc
Except that isn't the case. Accounting for number of people in facilities the number is still lower for NZ.
46
12/02/2021 11:41:30 7 5
bbc
UK is an island yet it has trouble securing and closing its borders

New Zealand has no issues
Removed
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12/02/2021 12:59:00 3 1
bbc
N/Z HAS A VERY SMALL POPULATION ,,IN COMPARISON??
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12/02/2021 11:35:24 2 8
bbc
Comparing the UK with Australia is akin to comparing a mosque with a mosquito.
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12/02/2021 11:43:01 3 2
bbc
its more like someone saying Churchill was not a racist
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OwO
12/02/2021 11:35:46 14 24
bbc
Did you read the article? Australia's restrictions *don't* work, as explicitly detailed.
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12/02/2021 11:43:34 5 1
bbc
New Zealands work
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12/02/2021 13:55:55 1 2
bbc
No they don't, they recently had a community transmission case started by someone who completed their quarantine and tested negative before release.

If you're going to do this at all, do it properly. 28 days minimum with no exposure to ANYONE who has access to the community.

If this makes travel firms go bust, SO BE IT.
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12/02/2021 11:23:28 7 9
bbc
Sorry, but I'm actually laughing.

It's like watching a black comedy. One gets imprisoned and is then forced to pay through the nose for the privilege.

And, as pointed out, Australia still gets infections despite all its way over the top panic measures.
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12/02/2021 11:43:57 5 2
bbc
they have less than UK
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12/02/2021 12:00:47 1 1
bbc
Their population is less than half the population of UK
41
12/02/2021 11:43:30 35 11
bbc
`How England's hotel quarantine will differ from Australia's'

Ours won't be as good as their's and their's leaks.

Its the usual pattern: over-promoted, under-delivered and far too late.
50
12/02/2021 11:49:14 24 5
bbc
Added to that Scotland is implimenting a similar quarantine system to Austrailia, but Hancock says that people traveling through English airports can ignore the rules When traveling to Scotland, While johnson claims the UK has one of the strictest quarantine rule in the world. I suppose like the best track and trace system in the world!
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12/02/2021 12:40:50 3 7
bbc
thankyou nicola -i hear devolution has been a disaster and 7 billion pounds you scrounged off England has "disappeared
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12/02/2021 14:12:13 0 0
bbc
travelling!
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12/02/2021 15:11:03 1 0
bbc
Presumably that is 'we're doomed'?
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12/02/2021 11:49:44 3 3
bbc
Take the money from them before they leave on holiday. They'll have spent it before going into quarantine.
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12/02/2021 12:57:18 0 0
bbc
"Take the money from them before they leave on holiday."? Unsure about the "holiday" bit but quarantine hotel is pre-booked, the amount is noted against your card's spending limit by the credit card company. So, for example, you have a credit limit of £2,000, you pre-book quarantine hotel and you only have £250 limit left when you next use your card. No different when you grocery shop online.
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12/02/2021 12:58:01 0 0
bbc
IF THEY DO NOT PAY CONFISCATE THEIR CARS,GOODS, and HOMES IF NECESSARY,, THAT MIGHT BRING THESE PEOPLE TO THEIR SENCES?? I WAS AT A FUNERAL TO-DAY WHERE A PERSON DIED, WITH NO SEEMING CONTACT,, ONE OF MANY IN OUR TOWN THINK???
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12/02/2021 11:28:58 35 12
bbc
Yet again it seems that the UK will be implementing a Covid security measure more slowly, and less effectively than other countries. Why do they never learn? No gain without pain. Why do they always compromise with the "I want" brigade? Compromise just means that dealing with Covid will be a very long drawn-out process, as a result of ineffective measures.
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12/02/2021 11:44:20 8 1
bbc
Boris follows the economy not the Science
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12/02/2021 11:20:52 36 10
bbc
Boris or his crew have asked the Aussies, but turned away all that they advised (Reported this morning on BBC).
The botched up process will continue and the variants will just carry on entering this country via airports.
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12/02/2021 11:44:41 5 1
bbc
via airports and ports
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Bob
12/02/2021 11:16:08 6 8
bbc
So we compare to Australia as it "seen as the best", the article highlights how people must stay in their room & not go outside to smoke or exercise, citing security staff as vectors for transmission.

It then continues to contrast to New Zealand who doesn't have that rule, yet seen fewer cases.

So how is Australia's methods proof of anything if another country has seen fewer resulting cases?
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12/02/2021 11:45:36 1 1
bbc
New Zealand tested everyone coming into the country since the pandemic started

Some British people spread UK variant there
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12/02/2021 11:09:43 2 13
bbc
Hotel security guard was said to have caught it by breathing it in!! More likely he caught it by touching areas in corridor contaminated by someone with virus touching it. Having read up on virus airborne transmission, its very unlikely he caught it that way.
55
12/02/2021 11:46:15 2 0
bbc
just shows you covid is spread by air travel
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12/02/2021 12:04:22 0 2
bbc
It does not! It shows one person caught it in a corridor outside a room with infected people in it. No one know exactly how he caught it, but most likely from coming into contact with infected surfaces.
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12/02/2021 11:28:58 35 12
bbc
Yet again it seems that the UK will be implementing a Covid security measure more slowly, and less effectively than other countries. Why do they never learn? No gain without pain. Why do they always compromise with the "I want" brigade? Compromise just means that dealing with Covid will be a very long drawn-out process, as a result of ineffective measures.
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12/02/2021 11:52:34 8 2
bbc
This is probably because we are completely different from any other country in the world! Nobody could have ever guessed that testing, face coverings, quarantines and all these things work for us British, too. Totally worth thinking about it for some month first.
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12/02/2021 11:53:59 5 2
bbc
How will it differ? The UK version will be carp. As usual.
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12/02/2021 11:57:48 5 2
bbc
Whats that a Fish!
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12/02/2021 11:20:52 36 10
bbc
Boris or his crew have asked the Aussies, but turned away all that they advised (Reported this morning on BBC).
The botched up process will continue and the variants will just carry on entering this country via airports.
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12/02/2021 11:54:06 1 4
bbc
Variants will present themselves wherever they have to work at overcoming an immune system and particularly in long-term Covid patients (also anecdotally in those treated with convalescent plasma, where the virus is presented with multiple immune responses to battle with). Your comment is ill-educated.
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13/02/2021 07:17:40 0 1
bbc
You dont need to be educated to state the obvious GG, perhaps you should get your owner to remove your blinkers.
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12/02/2021 11:09:59 10 7
bbc
Could Labour do any better? I doubt it!
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12/02/2021 11:54:33 1 0
bbc
Labour are not in power ...
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12/02/2021 11:08:29 16 4
bbc
It would have been better to hire out a few large caravan parks, instead of hotels. No chance of accumulated air in a room drifting across the corridor.

We would have had to restrict incoming flights to airports away from cities, nearer to country camp sites. But given that you're spending days in quarantine, the inconvenience of having to travel after that is minor.
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12/02/2021 11:46:57 1 1
bbc
yeah all they have to do is send them to holiday resorts
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12/02/2021 11:07:06 7 9
bbc
How is Australia's Vaccination roll out going?
This disease is endemic and lockdowns will only delay things in the end unless they get everyone vaccinated. At least the UK are ahead with this. Let's look on the bright side BBC and stop picking holes in everything the Government is doing.
I have had my first BRITISH Astra Zeneca jab. Hooray!
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12/02/2021 11:47:52 0 0
bbc
Astra Zeneca jab doesn't work according to EU.

UK still has borders open with EU they are not on the red list
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13/02/2021 06:30:43 0 0
bbc
old news, only referenced to lack of AZ trials in over 65s so no evidence to support claims it did. UK ignored lack of evidence and took it on faith that it probably would work. France basically miffed that AZ reneged on supply promises
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MVP
12/02/2021 11:00:52 21 6
bbc
The UK hotel quarantine plans differ from those in Australia in that they are not as strict.

And they have not yet been fully implemented either.

Which is probably why the UK has nearly 4 million cases and the highest number of deaths in Europe while Australia has less in total over a year than an average day in the UK
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12/02/2021 11:48:38 0 2
bbc
only Portugal is on the red-list rest of EU can travel to UK lol
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12/02/2021 11:00:20 4 4
bbc
Hotel quarantine in Australia is not all upsides.

Whole cities go into lockdown for if the virus gets out.

It is completely unsustainable as a policy in the long term and can only be beaten with a vaccine or herd immunity.
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12/02/2021 11:49:07 1 0
bbc
theres no such thing as herd immunity. covid will mutate each year
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OwO
12/02/2021 11:35:46 14 24
bbc
Did you read the article? Australia's restrictions *don't* work, as explicitly detailed.
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12/02/2021 11:57:08 7 0
bbc
while the Austrailian system is not perfect, it is working far better than what we have been doing here in the UK, perhaps you can tell us how much freedom do the Aussies have in there towns and cities, and how many infections there are there, all in comparison to here in the UK
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12/02/2021 12:26:41 5 0
bbc
Oz has quite a lot of freedom. SA has had very few cases (most things open, no masks etc but just social distancing), whilst Victoria & NSW are hit & miss. As soon as cases show up the states individually lockdown & if you are in the state you don't live then tough you're stuck here until lockdown ends!
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12/02/2021 11:53:59 5 2
bbc
How will it differ? The UK version will be carp. As usual.
65
12/02/2021 11:57:48 5 2
bbc
Whats that a Fish!
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12/02/2021 12:57:49 0 0
bbc
I think he meant haddock
190
12/02/2021 18:06:05 1 1
bbc
More like a t*rd.
227
13/02/2021 00:53:22 0 0
bbc
No, a 'carp' is a 'fish',
'carp' is 'tish' !
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12/02/2021 11:59:32 10 5
bbc
While certain people have consistently whined that our measures are never stringent enough & we should follow the example of others, the whole of Victoria locks down off the back of a handful of known cases. If we did that here, the same people would be moaning that it was unnecessarily ott & shouldn't affect them.
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12/02/2021 12:48:45 4 2
bbc
Unsure which side of this you are promoting. Of course our measures need to be as stringent as they have been proven elsewhere and of course we all learn from them, and improve them, and of course we lockdown off the back of a handful of known cases to stop further spread in its tracks and enable effective trace and isolation before the new spread takes hold.
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12/02/2021 11:23:28 7 9
bbc
Sorry, but I'm actually laughing.

It's like watching a black comedy. One gets imprisoned and is then forced to pay through the nose for the privilege.

And, as pointed out, Australia still gets infections despite all its way over the top panic measures.
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12/02/2021 11:59:44 2 1
bbc
Laugh all you want David Getling. You so obviously overlooked if Australia still gets infections "despite all its way over the top panic measures", imagine the rates of infection if these "way over the top panic measures" were not in place?
99% of current cases of Covid-19 in Victoria had arisen from the Rydges or Stamford Plaza hotels used for hotel quarantine and that's despite these measures!
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12/02/2021 12:00:25 3 7
bbc
If your lucky enough to get away from the UK stay on holiday till your deported back to the UK, Free flight and you have the excuse of having no money to poy for a Quarantine Hotel. Anything is better than the UK at the moment the weather Sucks the goverment are Inept and the Police are acting like the Statsi. You are all working for nothing as the Pound has been printed in to oblivion.
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12/02/2021 12:53:51 0 0
bbc
WHY DONT YOU JUST LEAVE THEN?? NO TO WELL OFF AND BENEFITS HERE ???
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12/02/2021 11:43:57 5 2
bbc
they have less than UK
69
12/02/2021 12:00:47 1 1
bbc
Their population is less than half the population of UK
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12/02/2021 11:09:05 9 7
bbc
It's only effective in the short term! They need to get the vaccine rolled out.
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12/02/2021 11:49:44 0 0
bbc
testing at borders is effective
1
12/02/2021 10:52:33 7 9
bbc
Johnson and his government have an established tradition of implementing policies that are full of holes and leak like a sieve. The latest weak (and woefully late) rules on hotel quarantining are just the latest example. The only objective seems to be expensive window dressing while waving through anything which benefits the rich, the elite and the policies of the hard right Tories.
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12/02/2021 11:50:14 0 0
bbc
non of these rules apply to EU people travelling to UK except Portugal
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12/02/2021 11:46:15 2 0
bbc
just shows you covid is spread by air travel
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12/02/2021 12:04:22 0 2
bbc
It does not! It shows one person caught it in a corridor outside a room with infected people in it. No one know exactly how he caught it, but most likely from coming into contact with infected surfaces.
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VoR
12/02/2021 11:30:37 4 1
bbc
They've reviewed the CTV to see what he did.
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12/02/2021 12:05:37 0 2
bbc
and does it shows that he never in all the time he was outside. touched a wall door knob or anything?
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OwO
12/02/2021 11:33:10 14 20
bbc
Australia clamps down harder than anyone but, as the article above states, has a higher infection rate than NZ. The evidence presented in this article suggest stricter rules have a negative impact, so why would you do that?

Restrict people too much and they'll just do what they want - rules are only useful while people follow them.
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12/02/2021 12:06:40 13 0
bbc
"The evidence presented in this article suggest stricter rules have a negative impact"? Complete and utter nonsense. The evidence suggests that stricter rules have to be even stricter to eradicate the spread.
"Restrict people too much and they'll just do what they want"? Wow. So I guess you're one of those doing what you want because you find it all "too restrictive"?
Such a #MeMeMe view you have.
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12/02/2021 11:56:40 19 1
bbc
When I was in quarantine in Shanghai the building aircon was turned off

They had put individual units in each room instead

The room was huge and I could get anything delivered from the local shops

I was allowed out of my room but a traffic light system prevented passing in corridors or stairs. Lifts did not stop on quarantine floors

Two cops in the lobby

£29 a night

This was in March 2020
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12/02/2021 12:49:50 5 13
bbc
China is huge has space, and has cheap labour for rich westerners to exploit, so of course it was 'better'.
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13/02/2021 12:20:39 0 0
bbc
Fundamental problem is the design of hotels, student accomodation, etc. the design (for fire prevention) deliberately reduces air flow in corridors, with the consequences seen in Oz and in UK “hotel style” student accomodation.
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12/02/2021 12:09:05 4 4
bbc
Remember: griping here achieves nothing. If you've anything really important to say, a case to put, put it to your M.P. That at lease gives it the chance to be discussed in Parliament (even though our increasingly Stalinist government holds it in contempt and seems capable of evading the scrutiny Parliament is supposed to provide).
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12/02/2021 12:12:23 7 4
bbc
Quite right! most people here just believe all the rubbish put out by the media and our undemocratic government.
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12/02/2021 12:48:12 0 2
bbc
Lol, MP fat lot of use they are. They have no interest in the public's views until a few weeks before they might lose their place and fat pay. They follow party orders.
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12/02/2021 12:51:51 0 2
bbc
IF YOU HATE THIS GOVT,, AND THE COUNTRY, SO MUCH!! YOU ARE FREE TO GET OUT APPLY FOR CITIZEN SHIP ELSEWHERE?? YOU MIGHT THEN BE HAPPY???
76
12/02/2021 12:09:05 4 4
bbc
Remember: griping here achieves nothing. If you've anything really important to say, a case to put, put it to your M.P. That at lease gives it the chance to be discussed in Parliament (even though our increasingly Stalinist government holds it in contempt and seems capable of evading the scrutiny Parliament is supposed to provide).
77
12/02/2021 12:12:23 7 4
bbc
Quite right! most people here just believe all the rubbish put out by the media and our undemocratic government.
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12/02/2021 14:47:17 0 0
bbc
The present Government won a free and fair election by a considerable margin. How can that be seen as undemocratic unless you are Donald Trump (you're not, are you?)
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12/02/2021 11:07:06 7 9
bbc
How is Australia's Vaccination roll out going?
This disease is endemic and lockdowns will only delay things in the end unless they get everyone vaccinated. At least the UK are ahead with this. Let's look on the bright side BBC and stop picking holes in everything the Government is doing.
I have had my first BRITISH Astra Zeneca jab. Hooray!
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12/02/2021 12:12:40 1 0
bbc
Remember that AZ is half Swedish (and that's the first half).
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Bob
12/02/2021 11:16:08 6 8
bbc
So we compare to Australia as it "seen as the best", the article highlights how people must stay in their room & not go outside to smoke or exercise, citing security staff as vectors for transmission.

It then continues to contrast to New Zealand who doesn't have that rule, yet seen fewer cases.

So how is Australia's methods proof of anything if another country has seen fewer resulting cases?
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12/02/2021 12:14:34 3 0
bbc
It isn't a question of New Zealand doesn't have that rule yet seen fewer cases, it's a question of how effective is the training and adherence by security staff not to mingle, not to get close. Australia found that some staff were not sufficiently trained and lacked adherence to rules. Also they now see the risk of infectious aerosols accumulated in the air in poorly-ventilated space.
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12/02/2021 12:09:29 3 5
bbc
While A/NZ are sold as as 'fix all' eradication solutions they are nothing of the sort. My son left the UK happy, healthy and certified Covid-free. In his hotel he was isolated, no outside access, stopped eating the food, lost weight, & had no sunlight. A hotel nearby germinated outbreaks. Don't believe the hype. There are reasons why A/NZ have delinked for a year. This is no sustainable model.
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12/02/2021 12:42:31 2 1
bbc
Kind of "strange" your son did that considering both Australia and New Zealand have strict restriction on who can and who cannot travel into their country.
As for "no sustainable model", both Australia and New Zealand models are sustainable for as long as they need to be in place. After all it's the traveler who's paying the cost for quarantine.
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12/02/2021 12:19:19 7 5
bbc
Hotel quarantine not as strict as countries who know what they are doing?

Surely not!! We have a world beating track and trace fiasco, a world beating border control system, that politicians claim is among the strictest in the world and we now have another total world beating lie, from these dregs of humanity.

It will be another tory shambles. They cannot get it right by default of being liars
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12/02/2021 12:33:01 1 3
bbc
It will be another tory shambles. They cannot get it right by default of being liars
............they taught you well !!!!
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12/02/2021 12:48:51 0 0
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SIR? IT SEEMS YOU WILL NOT ACCEPT THE PUBLIC WILL NOT ACCEPT THE RULES ,,AND TOTAL ENTRY ,,HAS BEEN RESISTED FROM THE BEGINNING,, THEN LAST YEAR THOUSANDS ,,, HAD TO HAVE HOLS??? CAUSING MORE PROBLEMS???
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12/02/2021 11:09:43 2 13
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Hotel security guard was said to have caught it by breathing it in!! More likely he caught it by touching areas in corridor contaminated by someone with virus touching it. Having read up on virus airborne transmission, its very unlikely he caught it that way.
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12/02/2021 12:19:22 2 0
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"Having read up on virus airborne transmission, its very unlikely he caught it that way"? Did you actually read the article above? Especially the bit "A widely-held assumption is infectious aerosols had accumulated in the air in this poorly-ventilated space and had led to his infection."? Growing evidence risks being transmitted either between rooms or between rooms public areas such as corridors.
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12/02/2021 14:41:10 0 1
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Widely held incorrect assumption! or in their case a guess because they don’t know how he caught it
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12/02/2021 11:45:04 5 1
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Not just Australia and Isle of Man but also Hong Kong, Thailand, Singapore to mention just three more where ALL INTERNATIONAL ARRIVALS must have pre-booked a quarantine hotel beforehand!
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12/02/2021 12:23:43 3 1
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The Isle of Man doesn't have quarantine hotels as in theory only residents can return to the island, but 14 day self isolation is essential with 3 tests, as it was shown people had their symptoms after isolation, final test is day 13. whilst the UK can't even get that right with their 10 day approach!
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12/02/2021 12:24:03 3 3
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None of these quarantine hotels have continuous environmental air treatment. Indeed none of our buildings have it because it is not mandated in COVID mitigation guidance. Consequently these quarantine hotels will not stop transmission as this article shows. There are technologies that can stop indoor transmission which are safe, effective and proven but the government and SAGE arent interested...
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12/02/2021 12:46:00 0 1
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I am of the opinion that you are just out to cause problems?? then there is no 100% proof ,,except you are entombed.in a space suit?? we need to realise this is here to stay ,and we need to be continuously, trying to protect against it,, but NO! WE ALWAYS DO IT OUR WAY, then moan when it goes WRONG!!
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12/02/2021 11:14:04 18 8
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You may or may not be right about the strictness, but remember Australia is *vastly* bigger than the UK with less than a third the population all spread out much further. Smaller cities, less people, further apart all makes disease transmission less prevalent. Yes, they clamped down hard but it's not a like-for-like comparison.
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12/02/2021 12:26:30 3 0
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Nothing to do with size, population or otherwise. It's to do with "international arrivals". A number of countries have shown not a single case of "local spread" for any number of months but EVERY NEW CASE an "international arrival".
Australia has had to learn fast and update it's measures to be 100% effective as a single new case "escaping" is lockdown for everyone.
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12/02/2021 11:57:08 7 0
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while the Austrailian system is not perfect, it is working far better than what we have been doing here in the UK, perhaps you can tell us how much freedom do the Aussies have in there towns and cities, and how many infections there are there, all in comparison to here in the UK
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12/02/2021 12:26:41 5 0
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Oz has quite a lot of freedom. SA has had very few cases (most things open, no masks etc but just social distancing), whilst Victoria & NSW are hit & miss. As soon as cases show up the states individually lockdown & if you are in the state you don't live then tough you're stuck here until lockdown ends!
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12/02/2021 13:14:33 4 2
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Just imagine the uproar here if Yorkshire was able to create blockades to Lancashire roads (as they have done in NZ) or if Cornwall would close all access and ban or two week quarantine visitors from Liverpool, Newcastle or Birmingham for 6 months because they were deemed 'high risk'. That's the Australian reality. A touch of self-interest & xenophobia thrown in. Be careful what you wish for.
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12/02/2021 11:00:20 4 4
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Hotel quarantine in Australia is not all upsides.

Whole cities go into lockdown for if the virus gets out.

It is completely unsustainable as a policy in the long term and can only be beaten with a vaccine or herd immunity.
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12/02/2021 12:30:48 1 0
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No one is even suggesting it is a long term policy. It's a proven "must have policy" until we have sufficient numbers of population vaccinated and even then you continue with "hotel quarantine" as that indeed is sustainable.
Lockdown is NOT a policy. Lockdown is a necessity to get the numbers down and under control when we've allowed them to get out of control.
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12/02/2021 12:28:46 11 4
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No need for explanation, it'll be half-baked.

Tories vote down protections for NHS in trade deals on deadliest day in pandemic -

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/tories-vote-down-protections-for-nhs-in-trade-deals-on-deadliest-day-in-pandemic/19/01/
Tories, the garbage can of humanity.
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12/02/2021 10:58:05 1 11
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why are we paying for food in the hotel. Deliver groceries and charge less. alot less. at this point its cheaper to fly to Costa rica quarantine their for 10 days enjoy the rest of the month and fly back from a non red list country for the same price as a crap hotel in the UK. know what i would do
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12/02/2021 12:34:28 1 0
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Laughable comment. Keep it priced as it is. It's a deterrent not to travel to UK at this time. And "what you would do" highlights the irresponsibility of so many today. Why would you even consider flying anywhere at this time?
Hotel quarantine not as strict as countries who know what they are doing?

Surely not!! We have a world beating track and trace fiasco, a world beating border control system, that politicians claim is among the strictest in the world and we now have another total world beating lie, from these dregs of humanity.

It will be another tory shambles. They cannot get it right by default of being liars
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12/02/2021 12:33:01 1 3
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It will be another tory shambles. They cannot get it right by default of being liars
............they taught you well !!!!
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12/02/2021 11:09:05 9 7
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It's only effective in the short term! They need to get the vaccine rolled out.
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12/02/2021 12:36:50 3 0
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It's effective regardless how long. The traveler pays the cost and as long as quarantine measures prevent any spread to the community then that is how effective it is.
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12/02/2021 11:41:30 7 5
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UK is an island yet it has trouble securing and closing its borders

New Zealand has no issues
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Removed
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12/02/2021 11:49:14 24 5
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Added to that Scotland is implimenting a similar quarantine system to Austrailia, but Hancock says that people traveling through English airports can ignore the rules When traveling to Scotland, While johnson claims the UK has one of the strictest quarantine rule in the world. I suppose like the best track and trace system in the world!
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12/02/2021 12:40:50 3 7
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thankyou nicola -i hear devolution has been a disaster and 7 billion pounds you scrounged off England has "disappeared
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12/02/2021 12:09:29 3 5
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While A/NZ are sold as as 'fix all' eradication solutions they are nothing of the sort. My son left the UK happy, healthy and certified Covid-free. In his hotel he was isolated, no outside access, stopped eating the food, lost weight, & had no sunlight. A hotel nearby germinated outbreaks. Don't believe the hype. There are reasons why A/NZ have delinked for a year. This is no sustainable model.
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12/02/2021 12:42:31 2 1
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Kind of "strange" your son did that considering both Australia and New Zealand have strict restriction on who can and who cannot travel into their country.
As for "no sustainable model", both Australia and New Zealand models are sustainable for as long as they need to be in place. After all it's the traveler who's paying the cost for quarantine.
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12/02/2021 12:41:54 1 6
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who cares as long as we win the Ashes
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12/02/2021 12:45:36 5 4
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Weak and feeble by popularity obsessed UK political class. Throw traveller’s in a cell for a fortnight. With a supply of bottled water and sandwiches.

Should have been in place from day one and deterring any travel whatsoever. While enabling it where really important via the quarantine cell.
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12/02/2021 12:24:03 3 3
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None of these quarantine hotels have continuous environmental air treatment. Indeed none of our buildings have it because it is not mandated in COVID mitigation guidance. Consequently these quarantine hotels will not stop transmission as this article shows. There are technologies that can stop indoor transmission which are safe, effective and proven but the government and SAGE arent interested...
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12/02/2021 12:46:00 0 1
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I am of the opinion that you are just out to cause problems?? then there is no 100% proof ,,except you are entombed.in a space suit?? we need to realise this is here to stay ,and we need to be continuously, trying to protect against it,, but NO! WE ALWAYS DO IT OUR WAY, then moan when it goes WRONG!!
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12/02/2021 23:17:03 0 0
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1 of 2. Not at all. We the public deserve and the UK government deserve to be provided with proper guidance which is sadly lacking. SAGE and CIBSE are NOT IAQ experts and throughout this pandemic they have ignored technologies like this from people like us who ARE experts who have been solving these problems for years and way before this pandemic hit. The reason why COVID cases in hospitals ...
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12/02/2021 23:21:21 0 0
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2 of 2 ... hospitals are showing increases in COVID cases after patients are admitted is because the guidance is lacking environmental air treatments that destroy the virus instantly at source. Our solutions do that. Go check the media - Better Indoors and Lloyds of London is one recent project - RGF Environmental. This works and gives us all a way out. It saves lives and makes indoor spaces safe.
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12/02/2021 12:09:05 4 4
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Remember: griping here achieves nothing. If you've anything really important to say, a case to put, put it to your M.P. That at lease gives it the chance to be discussed in Parliament (even though our increasingly Stalinist government holds it in contempt and seems capable of evading the scrutiny Parliament is supposed to provide).
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12/02/2021 12:48:12 0 2
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Lol, MP fat lot of use they are. They have no interest in the public's views until a few weeks before they might lose their place and fat pay. They follow party orders.
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12/02/2021 11:09:59 10 7
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Could Labour do any better? I doubt it!
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12/02/2021 12:48:16 2 0
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So that makes it alright then does it?

They couldn't do any worse either btw
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12/02/2021 11:59:32 10 5
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While certain people have consistently whined that our measures are never stringent enough & we should follow the example of others, the whole of Victoria locks down off the back of a handful of known cases. If we did that here, the same people would be moaning that it was unnecessarily ott & shouldn't affect them.
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12/02/2021 12:48:45 4 2
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Unsure which side of this you are promoting. Of course our measures need to be as stringent as they have been proven elsewhere and of course we all learn from them, and improve them, and of course we lockdown off the back of a handful of known cases to stop further spread in its tracks and enable effective trace and isolation before the new spread takes hold.
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12/02/2021 13:23:57 4 0
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It's what it says on the tin. There are too many hypocrites bleating that restrictions aren't stringent enough & when they are, they whinge again because they think they should be exempt.