Covid-19: How England's hotel quarantine will differ from Australia's
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Rules for those arriving into England from "red list" countries differ from those enforced Down Under.
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Alan Clarke
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Johnson and his government have an established tradition of implementing policies that are full of holes and leak like a sieve. The latest weak (and woefully late) rules on hotel quarantining are just the latest example. The only objective seems to be expensive window dressing while waving through anything which benefits the rich, the elite and the policies of the hard right Tories.
The biggest difference is that Australia's is effective, England's won't be.
why are we paying for food in the hotel. Deliver groceries and charge less. alot less. at this point its cheaper to fly to Costa rica quarantine their for 10 days enjoy the rest of the month and fly back from a non red list country for the same price as a crap hotel in the UK. know what i would do
If you are quarantining there, you aren't enjoying the time there much. And if you aren't, you are putting people's lives at risk purely because you are selfish.
Laughable comment. Keep it priced as it is. It's a deterrent not to travel to UK at this time. And "what you would do" highlights the irresponsibility of so many today. Why would you even consider flying anywhere at this time?
Hotel quarantine in Australia is not all upsides.
Whole cities go into lockdown for if the virus gets out.
It is completely unsustainable as a policy in the long term and can only be beaten with a vaccine or herd immunity.
Whole cities go into lockdown for if the virus gets out.
It is completely unsustainable as a policy in the long term and can only be beaten with a vaccine or herd immunity.
And then they come out again. Meanwhile the rest of the country continues as normal.
theres no such thing as herd immunity. covid will mutate each year
No one is even suggesting it is a long term policy. It's a proven "must have policy" until we have sufficient numbers of population vaccinated and even then you continue with "hotel quarantine" as that indeed is sustainable.
Lockdown is NOT a policy. Lockdown is a necessity to get the numbers down and under control when we've allowed them to get out of control.
Lockdown is NOT a policy. Lockdown is a necessity to get the numbers down and under control when we've allowed them to get out of control.
The UK hotel quarantine plans differ from those in Australia in that they are not as strict.
And they have not yet been fully implemented either.
Which is probably why the UK has nearly 4 million cases and the highest number of deaths in Europe while Australia has less in total over a year than an average day in the UK
And they have not yet been fully implemented either.
Which is probably why the UK has nearly 4 million cases and the highest number of deaths in Europe while Australia has less in total over a year than an average day in the UK
You may or may not be right about the strictness, but remember Australia is *vastly* bigger than the UK with less than a third the population all spread out much further. Smaller cities, less people, further apart all makes disease transmission less prevalent. Yes, they clamped down hard but it's not a like-for-like comparison.
"Highest number" is a silly metric, but you know that. Try looking at per captia and your false claims fall away.
Welcome hotel california - what a farce- we have a very active variant which we have exported to many countries & now we introduce actual quarantine; what is the point of this all when footballers, tennis players, cricketers, formula 1 racing drivers & their teams have been exempt from restrictions enforced on us less ordinary mere mortals. I simply cannot take anything any politician seriously
How is Australia's Vaccination roll out going?
This disease is endemic and lockdowns will only delay things in the end unless they get everyone vaccinated. At least the UK are ahead with this. Let's look on the bright side BBC and stop picking holes in everything the Government is doing.
I have had my first BRITISH Astra Zeneca jab. Hooray!
This disease is endemic and lockdowns will only delay things in the end unless they get everyone vaccinated. At least the UK are ahead with this. Let's look on the bright side BBC and stop picking holes in everything the Government is doing.
I have had my first BRITISH Astra Zeneca jab. Hooray!
Not to mention the fact that clinical trials of a vaccine need the virus to be circulating in the first place. Remember last summer, when they said that they were worried there weren't enough infected people to test the vaccine?
COVID free countries who benefit from a vaccine can only do so because others took the hit.
COVID free countries who benefit from a vaccine can only do so because others took the hit.
I am glad you are enjoying our vaccine rollout so much! But I see little reason to brag about it. In my experience, a turd with a cherry on top is still a turd. Giving Vaccines now will not bring back any of the tens of thousands that died in our country due to the poor handling of the pandemic by our government.
The problem here is that the information is out there and the government is ignoring it, without good reason. I work in a global business and a key advantage that we have is that we gather and analyse data from many countries. That includes where Covid is concerned. (We cover risks including mortality, morbidity, unemployment, event cancellation, flights grounded etc.).
Astra Zeneca jab doesn't work according to EU.
UK still has borders open with EU they are not on the red list
UK still has borders open with EU they are not on the red list
Remember that AZ is half Swedish (and that's the first half).
It would have been better to hire out a few large caravan parks, instead of hotels. No chance of accumulated air in a room drifting across the corridor.
We would have had to restrict incoming flights to airports away from cities, nearer to country camp sites. But given that you're spending days in quarantine, the inconvenience of having to travel after that is minor.
We would have had to restrict incoming flights to airports away from cities, nearer to country camp sites. But given that you're spending days in quarantine, the inconvenience of having to travel after that is minor.
The Australians basically do just that. Currently their repatriation flights fly to Northern Territory. You face 2 weeks quarantine in a camp site, 1/2 hour or so out of Darwin. EVERYONE is placed in SINGLE rooms - exceptions made for small children. You get 3 packed meals a day, they look dreadful. You have to pay to get there, to stay there & get back home. Extremely expensive & INHUMANE.
The biggest difference is that Australia's is effective, England's won't be.
It's effective regardless how long. The traveler pays the cost and as long as quarantine measures prevent any spread to the community then that is how effective it is.
Hotel security guard was said to have caught it by breathing it in!! More likely he caught it by touching areas in corridor contaminated by someone with virus touching it. Having read up on virus airborne transmission, its very unlikely he caught it that way.
Read up on it again.
"Having read up on virus airborne transmission, its very unlikely he caught it that way"? Did you actually read the article above? Especially the bit "A widely-held assumption is infectious aerosols had accumulated in the air in this poorly-ventilated space and had led to his infection."? Growing evidence risks being transmitted either between rooms or between rooms public areas such as corridors.
Johnson and his government have an established tradition of implementing policies that are full of holes and leak like a sieve. The latest weak (and woefully late) rules on hotel quarantining are just the latest example. The only objective seems to be expensive window dressing while waving through anything which benefits the rich, the elite and the policies of the hard right Tories.
Anyone.. anyone who is elected, makes promises and fails should expect (and deserves) to be held to account.
Remember, Labour are the ones pushing for younger healthier less clinically vulnerable teachers to be vaccinated before older more vulnerable people. That reeks of union interference and, if done, would inevitably lead to the deaths of more vulnerable people who didn't get vaccinated in time. Your doubt is well founded.
I don't, given that their current leadership seems to have better understanding of project management and data, not to mention a better work ethic. PMQs alone demonstrates that Boris and a large number of key ministers really are not competent, whereas Labour have been surprisingly so.
Labour are not in power ...
So that makes it alright then does it?
They couldn't do any worse either btw
They couldn't do any worse either btw
How is Australia's Vaccination roll out going?
This disease is endemic and lockdowns will only delay things in the end unless they get everyone vaccinated. At least the UK are ahead with this. Let's look on the bright side BBC and stop picking holes in everything the Government is doing.
I have had my first BRITISH Astra Zeneca jab. Hooray!
This disease is endemic and lockdowns will only delay things in the end unless they get everyone vaccinated. At least the UK are ahead with this. Let's look on the bright side BBC and stop picking holes in everything the Government is doing.
I have had my first BRITISH Astra Zeneca jab. Hooray!
Not to mention the fact that clinical trials of a vaccine need the virus to be circulating in the first place. Remember last summer, when they said that they were worried there weren't enough infected people to test the vaccine?
COVID free countries who benefit from a vaccine can only do so because others took the hit.
COVID free countries who benefit from a vaccine can only do so because others took the hit.
The UK hotel quarantine plans differ from those in Australia in that they are not as strict.
And they have not yet been fully implemented either.
Which is probably why the UK has nearly 4 million cases and the highest number of deaths in Europe while Australia has less in total over a year than an average day in the UK
And they have not yet been fully implemented either.
Which is probably why the UK has nearly 4 million cases and the highest number of deaths in Europe while Australia has less in total over a year than an average day in the UK
You may or may not be right about the strictness, but remember Australia is *vastly* bigger than the UK with less than a third the population all spread out much further. Smaller cities, less people, further apart all makes disease transmission less prevalent. Yes, they clamped down hard but it's not a like-for-like comparison.
No it's not a like for like situation! 1 took a hardline approach whilst the other took a wishy washy approach. Oz is bigger than UK, pop of about 25mil to UK 66mil, yet most of Oz is in 6 cities! UK should have got rid of it by now as they are an island if they locked their borders, but fears of damaging the Economy & moaners saying it would, stopped them . Instead they've damaged their Economy!
Their cities are not really smaller.
Sydney (5.230m)
Melbourne (4.936m)
Brisbane (2.463m)
Perth (2.059m)
Adelaide (1.346m)
London – 10,979,000.
Manchester – 2,727,000.
Birmingham-Wolverhampton – 2,605,000.
Leeds-Bradford – 1,890,000.
Glasgow – 1,259,000.
Sydney (5.230m)
Melbourne (4.936m)
Brisbane (2.463m)
Perth (2.059m)
Adelaide (1.346m)
London – 10,979,000.
Manchester – 2,727,000.
Birmingham-Wolverhampton – 2,605,000.
Leeds-Bradford – 1,890,000.
Glasgow – 1,259,000.
Nothing to do with size, population or otherwise. It's to do with "international arrivals". A number of countries have shown not a single case of "local spread" for any number of months but EVERY NEW CASE an "international arrival".
Australia has had to learn fast and update it's measures to be 100% effective as a single new case "escaping" is lockdown for everyone.
Australia has had to learn fast and update it's measures to be 100% effective as a single new case "escaping" is lockdown for everyone.
All the more reason the UK needs STRICTER rules!
Australia and NZ adopted a elimation/exclusion strategy, Boris adopted a herd immunity/max out the hospitals strategy. Neither were perfect but its clear who has had the most success. Boris is learning, latest is lesson is that the more infections the less effective vaccines become. This why they are now panicing with quarantines.
Australia and NZ adopted a elimation/exclusion strategy, Boris adopted a herd immunity/max out the hospitals strategy. Neither were perfect but its clear who has had the most success. Boris is learning, latest is lesson is that the more infections the less effective vaccines become. This why they are now panicing with quarantines.
So we compare to Australia as it "seen as the best", the article highlights how people must stay in their room & not go outside to smoke or exercise, citing security staff as vectors for transmission.
It then continues to contrast to New Zealand who doesn't have that rule, yet seen fewer cases.
So how is Australia's methods proof of anything if another country has seen fewer resulting cases?
It then continues to contrast to New Zealand who doesn't have that rule, yet seen fewer cases.
So how is Australia's methods proof of anything if another country has seen fewer resulting cases?
Because New Zealand has far fewer travelers?
Also the proof of Australia's measures is they did it our way first. Then they investigated how the virus escaped from the hotels into the communities, and updated their processes to improve them. We have essentially ignored what they learnt from their investigations and failed to apply the updates.
Also the proof of Australia's measures is they did it our way first. Then they investigated how the virus escaped from the hotels into the communities, and updated their processes to improve them. We have essentially ignored what they learnt from their investigations and failed to apply the updates.
New Zealand tested everyone coming into the country since the pandemic started
Some British people spread UK variant there
Some British people spread UK variant there
It isn't a question of New Zealand doesn't have that rule yet seen fewer cases, it's a question of how effective is the training and adherence by security staff not to mingle, not to get close. Australia found that some staff were not sufficiently trained and lacked adherence to rules. Also they now see the risk of infectious aerosols accumulated in the air in poorly-ventilated space.
Remember, Labour are the ones pushing for younger healthier less clinically vulnerable teachers to be vaccinated before older more vulnerable people. That reeks of union interference and, if done, would inevitably lead to the deaths of more vulnerable people who didn't get vaccinated in time. Your doubt is well founded.
Boris or his crew have asked the Aussies, but turned away all that they advised (Reported this morning on BBC).
The botched up process will continue and the variants will just carry on entering this country via airports.
The botched up process will continue and the variants will just carry on entering this country via airports.
Variants will present themselves wherever they have to work at overcoming an immune system and particularly in long-term Covid patients (also anecdotally in those treated with convalescent plasma, where the virus is presented with multiple immune responses to battle with). Your comment is ill-educated.
"Reported by the BBC". Must be true then!
We do seem to leave the door open , last March wasnt it and we finally start doing things 11 months later.
While we're all getting distracted over this hotel quarantine malarky, some right-wing media outlets are reporting that lockdown restrictions in the UK may still be in place at Christmas. Luckily, the BBC hasn't reported that (or that the schools may start going back on March 8th) as it would be accused of scaremongering or raising false hopes, depending on your personal bias.
That would be good. Not that our useless political class will look that far ahead, get schools closed properly till then etc.
Boris or his crew have asked the Aussies, but turned away all that they advised (Reported this morning on BBC).
The botched up process will continue and the variants will just carry on entering this country via airports.
The botched up process will continue and the variants will just carry on entering this country via airports.
So much for the "Burnham" variant reported in Manchester.
You may or may not be right about the strictness, but remember Australia is *vastly* bigger than the UK with less than a third the population all spread out much further. Smaller cities, less people, further apart all makes disease transmission less prevalent. Yes, they clamped down hard but it's not a like-for-like comparison.
No it's not a like for like situation! 1 took a hardline approach whilst the other took a wishy washy approach. Oz is bigger than UK, pop of about 25mil to UK 66mil, yet most of Oz is in 6 cities! UK should have got rid of it by now as they are an island if they locked their borders, but fears of damaging the Economy & moaners saying it would, stopped them . Instead they've damaged their Economy!
Yet again it seems that the UK will be implementing a Covid security measure more slowly, and less effectively than other countries. Why do they never learn? No gain without pain. Why do they always compromise with the "I want" brigade? Compromise just means that dealing with Covid will be a very long drawn-out process, as a result of ineffective measures.
Australia clamps down harder than anyone but, as the article above states, has a higher infection rate than NZ. The evidence presented in this article suggest stricter rules have a negative impact, so why would you do that?
Restrict people too much and they'll just do what they want - rules are only useful while people follow them.
Restrict people too much and they'll just do what they want - rules are only useful while people follow them.
This is probably because we are completely different from any other country in the world! Nobody could have ever guessed that testing, face coverings, quarantines and all these things work for us British, too. Totally worth thinking about it for some month first.
THE MOB HERE IN THE U/K ARE SCREAMING NOW !! JUST IMAGINE THE NOISE IF PROPERLY LOCKED DOWN?? THEN THE BUG WOULD NOT JUST GET LOST?? IT WOULD BE WAITING?? JUST NOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE FORCED TO REALISE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A TRADE OFF,,LIVING OR DIEYING ,OF NO WORK/LIFE?? THEN WHAT?? NO GOVT CAN SUPPORT THE MOB FOR EVER??
You must be in the “I can’t have and you cannot have because I am in the jealous brigade “ . Tough .
So we compare to Australia as it "seen as the best", the article highlights how people must stay in their room & not go outside to smoke or exercise, citing security staff as vectors for transmission.
It then continues to contrast to New Zealand who doesn't have that rule, yet seen fewer cases.
So how is Australia's methods proof of anything if another country has seen fewer resulting cases?
It then continues to contrast to New Zealand who doesn't have that rule, yet seen fewer cases.
So how is Australia's methods proof of anything if another country has seen fewer resulting cases?
Because New Zealand has far fewer travelers?
Also the proof of Australia's measures is they did it our way first. Then they investigated how the virus escaped from the hotels into the communities, and updated their processes to improve them. We have essentially ignored what they learnt from their investigations and failed to apply the updates.
Also the proof of Australia's measures is they did it our way first. Then they investigated how the virus escaped from the hotels into the communities, and updated their processes to improve them. We have essentially ignored what they learnt from their investigations and failed to apply the updates.
The UK hotel quarantine plans differ from those in Australia in that they are not as strict.
And they have not yet been fully implemented either.
Which is probably why the UK has nearly 4 million cases and the highest number of deaths in Europe while Australia has less in total over a year than an average day in the UK
And they have not yet been fully implemented either.
Which is probably why the UK has nearly 4 million cases and the highest number of deaths in Europe while Australia has less in total over a year than an average day in the UK
Sorry, but I'm actually laughing.
It's like watching a black comedy. One gets imprisoned and is then forced to pay through the nose for the privilege.
And, as pointed out, Australia still gets infections despite all its way over the top panic measures.
It's like watching a black comedy. One gets imprisoned and is then forced to pay through the nose for the privilege.
And, as pointed out, Australia still gets infections despite all its way over the top panic measures.
Laugh all you want David Getling. You so obviously overlooked if Australia still gets infections "despite all its way over the top panic measures", imagine the rates of infection if these "way over the top panic measures" were not in place?
99% of current cases of Covid-19 in Victoria had arisen from the Rydges or Stamford Plaza hotels used for hotel quarantine and that's despite these measures!
99% of current cases of Covid-19 in Victoria had arisen from the Rydges or Stamford Plaza hotels used for hotel quarantine and that's despite these measures!
Well it is two weeks jail for being stupid and traveling over any border, or ten years if trying to avoid it. Seems a light punishment for bad behaviours if honest about doing it! Call it education! Stop travelling.
It would have been better to hire out a few large caravan parks, instead of hotels. No chance of accumulated air in a room drifting across the corridor.
We would have had to restrict incoming flights to airports away from cities, nearer to country camp sites. But given that you're spending days in quarantine, the inconvenience of having to travel after that is minor.
We would have had to restrict incoming flights to airports away from cities, nearer to country camp sites. But given that you're spending days in quarantine, the inconvenience of having to travel after that is minor.
Yet again it seems that the UK will be implementing a Covid security measure more slowly, and less effectively than other countries. Why do they never learn? No gain without pain. Why do they always compromise with the "I want" brigade? Compromise just means that dealing with Covid will be a very long drawn-out process, as a result of ineffective measures.
Australia clamps down harder than anyone but, as the article above states, has a higher infection rate than NZ. The evidence presented in this article suggest stricter rules have a negative impact, so why would you do that?
Restrict people too much and they'll just do what they want - rules are only useful while people follow them.
Restrict people too much and they'll just do what they want - rules are only useful while people follow them.
"The evidence presented in this article suggest stricter rules have a negative impact"? Complete and utter nonsense. The evidence suggests that stricter rules have to be even stricter to eradicate the spread.
"Restrict people too much and they'll just do what they want"? Wow. So I guess you're one of those doing what you want because you find it all "too restrictive"?
Such a #MeMeMe view you have.
"Restrict people too much and they'll just do what they want"? Wow. So I guess you're one of those doing what you want because you find it all "too restrictive"?
Such a #MeMeMe view you have.
The determined visitor to the UK will engineer their travel pans to ensure their flight is not from the 33 red list. Passports must all now have entry and exit (electronic)stamps to control such movements. Well done to Oz who seem to have far more stringent controls and that these work. As does the Isle of Man.
Did you read the article? Australia's restrictions *don't* work, as explicitly detailed.
Not just Australia and Isle of Man but also Hong Kong, Thailand, Singapore to mention just three more where ALL INTERNATIONAL ARRIVALS must have pre-booked a quarantine hotel beforehand!
The solution to the pandemic is vaccine for every country. Lockdowns and closed boarders will slow things down but not stop them. We should keep improving vaccines and other treatments until this virus and other dangerous viruses are dead and gone.
How is Australia's Vaccination roll out going?
This disease is endemic and lockdowns will only delay things in the end unless they get everyone vaccinated. At least the UK are ahead with this. Let's look on the bright side BBC and stop picking holes in everything the Government is doing.
I have had my first BRITISH Astra Zeneca jab. Hooray!
This disease is endemic and lockdowns will only delay things in the end unless they get everyone vaccinated. At least the UK are ahead with this. Let's look on the bright side BBC and stop picking holes in everything the Government is doing.
I have had my first BRITISH Astra Zeneca jab. Hooray!
I am glad you are enjoying our vaccine rollout so much! But I see little reason to brag about it. In my experience, a turd with a cherry on top is still a turd. Giving Vaccines now will not bring back any of the tens of thousands that died in our country due to the poor handling of the pandemic by our government.
Comparing the UK with Australia is akin to comparing a mosque with a mosquito.
That be a mozzyozzy.
Yes but drawing any kind of `apparently' unfavourable comparison to the UK's ongoing pandemic strategy is the BBC's raison d'être. It's just a left-wing sniping shop, designed to trigger outrage, instil fear and garner clicks at the licence payers expense.
Nice work if you can get it.
Nice work if you can get it.
The determined visitor to the UK will engineer their travel pans to ensure their flight is not from the 33 red list. Passports must all now have entry and exit (electronic)stamps to control such movements. Well done to Oz who seem to have far more stringent controls and that these work. As does the Isle of Man.
while the Austrailian system is not perfect, it is working far better than what we have been doing here in the UK, perhaps you can tell us how much freedom do the Aussies have in there towns and cities, and how many infections there are there, all in comparison to here in the UK
Did YOU read the article? With Australia lessons have been learnt and implemented "live". Something "doesn't work" only after every effort has be done to make it work and found still "not to work". In the case of Australia's restrictions we clearly see that has been the case. Restrictions have been modified and updated, training and practices improved, and the latest finding is being addressed.
How is Australia's Vaccination roll out going?
This disease is endemic and lockdowns will only delay things in the end unless they get everyone vaccinated. At least the UK are ahead with this. Let's look on the bright side BBC and stop picking holes in everything the Government is doing.
I have had my first BRITISH Astra Zeneca jab. Hooray!
This disease is endemic and lockdowns will only delay things in the end unless they get everyone vaccinated. At least the UK are ahead with this. Let's look on the bright side BBC and stop picking holes in everything the Government is doing.
I have had my first BRITISH Astra Zeneca jab. Hooray!
The problem here is that the information is out there and the government is ignoring it, without good reason. I work in a global business and a key advantage that we have is that we gather and analyse data from many countries. That includes where Covid is concerned. (We cover risks including mortality, morbidity, unemployment, event cancellation, flights grounded etc.).
Comparing the UK with Australia is akin to comparing a mosque with a mosquito.
You may or may not be right about the strictness, but remember Australia is *vastly* bigger than the UK with less than a third the population all spread out much further. Smaller cities, less people, further apart all makes disease transmission less prevalent. Yes, they clamped down hard but it's not a like-for-like comparison.
why are we paying for food in the hotel. Deliver groceries and charge less. alot less. at this point its cheaper to fly to Costa rica quarantine their for 10 days enjoy the rest of the month and fly back from a non red list country for the same price as a crap hotel in the UK. know what i would do
"A widely-held assumption is that INFECTIOUS AEROSOLS had ACCUMULATED IN THE AIR in this POORLY-VENTILATED SPACE and had led to his infection."
Highlights several issues: opening of windows in hotel room - if they can't be opened then you can't refresh the accumulated air in the room - and whomever is in the room opening the door to collect the meals should wash face hands and wear a face mask!
Highlights several issues: opening of windows in hotel room - if they can't be opened then you can't refresh the accumulated air in the room - and whomever is in the room opening the door to collect the meals should wash face hands and wear a face mask!
`How England's hotel quarantine will differ from Australia's'
Ours won't be as good as their's and their's leaks.
Its the usual pattern: over-promoted, under-delivered and far too late.
Ours won't be as good as their's and their's leaks.
Its the usual pattern: over-promoted, under-delivered and far too late.
Added to that Scotland is implimenting a similar quarantine system to Austrailia, but Hancock says that people traveling through English airports can ignore the rules When traveling to Scotland, While johnson claims the UK has one of the strictest quarantine rule in the world. I suppose like the best track and trace system in the world!
Australia's does not "leak". Re-read the article. Some staff did not follow the protocol on mingling, distance and interaction. These have been tightened. And the one case of a security guard who spent the day on duty in a corridor who caught the virus despite having no contact with anyone is being addressed.
As with almost everything in life there are lessons learnt every day.
As with almost everything in life there are lessons learnt every day.
Remember, Labour are the ones pushing for younger healthier less clinically vulnerable teachers to be vaccinated before older more vulnerable people. That reeks of union interference and, if done, would inevitably lead to the deaths of more vulnerable people who didn't get vaccinated in time. Your doubt is well founded.
Comparing the UK with Australia is akin to comparing a mosque with a mosquito.
The determined visitor to the UK will engineer their travel pans to ensure their flight is not from the 33 red list. Passports must all now have entry and exit (electronic)stamps to control such movements. Well done to Oz who seem to have far more stringent controls and that these work. As does the Isle of Man.
The Isle of Man doesn't have quarantine hotels as in theory only residents can return to the island, but 14 day self isolation is essential with 3 tests, as it was shown people had their symptoms after isolation, final test is day 13. whilst the UK can't even get that right with their 10 day approach!
Because New Zealand has far fewer travelers?
Also the proof of Australia's measures is they did it our way first. Then they investigated how the virus escaped from the hotels into the communities, and updated their processes to improve them. We have essentially ignored what they learnt from their investigations and failed to apply the updates.
Also the proof of Australia's measures is they did it our way first. Then they investigated how the virus escaped from the hotels into the communities, and updated their processes to improve them. We have essentially ignored what they learnt from their investigations and failed to apply the updates.
Comparing the UK with Australia is akin to comparing a mosque with a mosquito.
No they don't, they recently had a community transmission case started by someone who completed their quarantine and tested negative before release.
If you're going to do this at all, do it properly. 28 days minimum with no exposure to ANYONE who has access to the community.
If this makes travel firms go bust, SO BE IT.
If you're going to do this at all, do it properly. 28 days minimum with no exposure to ANYONE who has access to the community.
If this makes travel firms go bust, SO BE IT.
Sorry, but I'm actually laughing.
It's like watching a black comedy. One gets imprisoned and is then forced to pay through the nose for the privilege.
And, as pointed out, Australia still gets infections despite all its way over the top panic measures.
It's like watching a black comedy. One gets imprisoned and is then forced to pay through the nose for the privilege.
And, as pointed out, Australia still gets infections despite all its way over the top panic measures.
Added to that Scotland is implimenting a similar quarantine system to Austrailia, but Hancock says that people traveling through English airports can ignore the rules When traveling to Scotland, While johnson claims the UK has one of the strictest quarantine rule in the world. I suppose like the best track and trace system in the world!
Take the money from them before they leave on holiday. They'll have spent it before going into quarantine.
"Take the money from them before they leave on holiday."? Unsure about the "holiday" bit but quarantine hotel is pre-booked, the amount is noted against your card's spending limit by the credit card company. So, for example, you have a credit limit of £2,000, you pre-book quarantine hotel and you only have £250 limit left when you next use your card. No different when you grocery shop online.
Yet again it seems that the UK will be implementing a Covid security measure more slowly, and less effectively than other countries. Why do they never learn? No gain without pain. Why do they always compromise with the "I want" brigade? Compromise just means that dealing with Covid will be a very long drawn-out process, as a result of ineffective measures.
Boris or his crew have asked the Aussies, but turned away all that they advised (Reported this morning on BBC).
The botched up process will continue and the variants will just carry on entering this country via airports.
The botched up process will continue and the variants will just carry on entering this country via airports.
So we compare to Australia as it "seen as the best", the article highlights how people must stay in their room & not go outside to smoke or exercise, citing security staff as vectors for transmission.
It then continues to contrast to New Zealand who doesn't have that rule, yet seen fewer cases.
So how is Australia's methods proof of anything if another country has seen fewer resulting cases?
It then continues to contrast to New Zealand who doesn't have that rule, yet seen fewer cases.
So how is Australia's methods proof of anything if another country has seen fewer resulting cases?
Yet again it seems that the UK will be implementing a Covid security measure more slowly, and less effectively than other countries. Why do they never learn? No gain without pain. Why do they always compromise with the "I want" brigade? Compromise just means that dealing with Covid will be a very long drawn-out process, as a result of ineffective measures.
How will it differ? The UK version will be carp. As usual.
Boris or his crew have asked the Aussies, but turned away all that they advised (Reported this morning on BBC).
The botched up process will continue and the variants will just carry on entering this country via airports.
The botched up process will continue and the variants will just carry on entering this country via airports.
Variants will present themselves wherever they have to work at overcoming an immune system and particularly in long-term Covid patients (also anecdotally in those treated with convalescent plasma, where the virus is presented with multiple immune responses to battle with). Your comment is ill-educated.
You dont need to be educated to state the obvious GG, perhaps you should get your owner to remove your blinkers.
It would have been better to hire out a few large caravan parks, instead of hotels. No chance of accumulated air in a room drifting across the corridor.
We would have had to restrict incoming flights to airports away from cities, nearer to country camp sites. But given that you're spending days in quarantine, the inconvenience of having to travel after that is minor.
We would have had to restrict incoming flights to airports away from cities, nearer to country camp sites. But given that you're spending days in quarantine, the inconvenience of having to travel after that is minor.
How is Australia's Vaccination roll out going?
This disease is endemic and lockdowns will only delay things in the end unless they get everyone vaccinated. At least the UK are ahead with this. Let's look on the bright side BBC and stop picking holes in everything the Government is doing.
I have had my first BRITISH Astra Zeneca jab. Hooray!
This disease is endemic and lockdowns will only delay things in the end unless they get everyone vaccinated. At least the UK are ahead with this. Let's look on the bright side BBC and stop picking holes in everything the Government is doing.
I have had my first BRITISH Astra Zeneca jab. Hooray!
The UK hotel quarantine plans differ from those in Australia in that they are not as strict.
And they have not yet been fully implemented either.
Which is probably why the UK has nearly 4 million cases and the highest number of deaths in Europe while Australia has less in total over a year than an average day in the UK
And they have not yet been fully implemented either.
Which is probably why the UK has nearly 4 million cases and the highest number of deaths in Europe while Australia has less in total over a year than an average day in the UK
Oz has quite a lot of freedom. SA has had very few cases (most things open, no masks etc but just social distancing), whilst Victoria & NSW are hit & miss. As soon as cases show up the states individually lockdown & if you are in the state you don't live then tough you're stuck here until lockdown ends!
How will it differ? The UK version will be carp. As usual.
While certain people have consistently whined that our measures are never stringent enough & we should follow the example of others, the whole of Victoria locks down off the back of a handful of known cases. If we did that here, the same people would be moaning that it was unnecessarily ott & shouldn't affect them.
Unsure which side of this you are promoting. Of course our measures need to be as stringent as they have been proven elsewhere and of course we all learn from them, and improve them, and of course we lockdown off the back of a handful of known cases to stop further spread in its tracks and enable effective trace and isolation before the new spread takes hold.
Sorry, but I'm actually laughing.
It's like watching a black comedy. One gets imprisoned and is then forced to pay through the nose for the privilege.
And, as pointed out, Australia still gets infections despite all its way over the top panic measures.
It's like watching a black comedy. One gets imprisoned and is then forced to pay through the nose for the privilege.
And, as pointed out, Australia still gets infections despite all its way over the top panic measures.
Laugh all you want David Getling. You so obviously overlooked if Australia still gets infections "despite all its way over the top panic measures", imagine the rates of infection if these "way over the top panic measures" were not in place?
99% of current cases of Covid-19 in Victoria had arisen from the Rydges or Stamford Plaza hotels used for hotel quarantine and that's despite these measures!
99% of current cases of Covid-19 in Victoria had arisen from the Rydges or Stamford Plaza hotels used for hotel quarantine and that's despite these measures!
If your lucky enough to get away from the UK stay on holiday till your deported back to the UK, Free flight and you have the excuse of having no money to poy for a Quarantine Hotel. Anything is better than the UK at the moment the weather Sucks the goverment are Inept and the Police are acting like the Statsi. You are all working for nothing as the Pound has been printed in to oblivion.
Johnson and his government have an established tradition of implementing policies that are full of holes and leak like a sieve. The latest weak (and woefully late) rules on hotel quarantining are just the latest example. The only objective seems to be expensive window dressing while waving through anything which benefits the rich, the elite and the policies of the hard right Tories.
Australia clamps down harder than anyone but, as the article above states, has a higher infection rate than NZ. The evidence presented in this article suggest stricter rules have a negative impact, so why would you do that?
Restrict people too much and they'll just do what they want - rules are only useful while people follow them.
Restrict people too much and they'll just do what they want - rules are only useful while people follow them.
"The evidence presented in this article suggest stricter rules have a negative impact"? Complete and utter nonsense. The evidence suggests that stricter rules have to be even stricter to eradicate the spread.
"Restrict people too much and they'll just do what they want"? Wow. So I guess you're one of those doing what you want because you find it all "too restrictive"?
Such a #MeMeMe view you have.
"Restrict people too much and they'll just do what they want"? Wow. So I guess you're one of those doing what you want because you find it all "too restrictive"?
Such a #MeMeMe view you have.
When I was in quarantine in Shanghai the building aircon was turned off
They had put individual units in each room instead
The room was huge and I could get anything delivered from the local shops
I was allowed out of my room but a traffic light system prevented passing in corridors or stairs. Lifts did not stop on quarantine floors
Two cops in the lobby
£29 a night
This was in March 2020
They had put individual units in each room instead
The room was huge and I could get anything delivered from the local shops
I was allowed out of my room but a traffic light system prevented passing in corridors or stairs. Lifts did not stop on quarantine floors
Two cops in the lobby
£29 a night
This was in March 2020
China is huge has space, and has cheap labour for rich westerners to exploit, so of course it was 'better'.
Remember: griping here achieves nothing. If you've anything really important to say, a case to put, put it to your M.P. That at lease gives it the chance to be discussed in Parliament (even though our increasingly Stalinist government holds it in contempt and seems capable of evading the scrutiny Parliament is supposed to provide).
Quite right! most people here just believe all the rubbish put out by the media and our undemocratic government.
Lol, MP fat lot of use they are. They have no interest in the public's views until a few weeks before they might lose their place and fat pay. They follow party orders.
Remember: griping here achieves nothing. If you've anything really important to say, a case to put, put it to your M.P. That at lease gives it the chance to be discussed in Parliament (even though our increasingly Stalinist government holds it in contempt and seems capable of evading the scrutiny Parliament is supposed to provide).
The present Government won a free and fair election by a considerable margin. How can that be seen as undemocratic unless you are Donald Trump (you're not, are you?)
How is Australia's Vaccination roll out going?
This disease is endemic and lockdowns will only delay things in the end unless they get everyone vaccinated. At least the UK are ahead with this. Let's look on the bright side BBC and stop picking holes in everything the Government is doing.
I have had my first BRITISH Astra Zeneca jab. Hooray!
This disease is endemic and lockdowns will only delay things in the end unless they get everyone vaccinated. At least the UK are ahead with this. Let's look on the bright side BBC and stop picking holes in everything the Government is doing.
I have had my first BRITISH Astra Zeneca jab. Hooray!
So we compare to Australia as it "seen as the best", the article highlights how people must stay in their room & not go outside to smoke or exercise, citing security staff as vectors for transmission.
It then continues to contrast to New Zealand who doesn't have that rule, yet seen fewer cases.
So how is Australia's methods proof of anything if another country has seen fewer resulting cases?
It then continues to contrast to New Zealand who doesn't have that rule, yet seen fewer cases.
So how is Australia's methods proof of anything if another country has seen fewer resulting cases?
It isn't a question of New Zealand doesn't have that rule yet seen fewer cases, it's a question of how effective is the training and adherence by security staff not to mingle, not to get close. Australia found that some staff were not sufficiently trained and lacked adherence to rules. Also they now see the risk of infectious aerosols accumulated in the air in poorly-ventilated space.
While A/NZ are sold as as 'fix all' eradication solutions they are nothing of the sort. My son left the UK happy, healthy and certified Covid-free. In his hotel he was isolated, no outside access, stopped eating the food, lost weight, & had no sunlight. A hotel nearby germinated outbreaks. Don't believe the hype. There are reasons why A/NZ have delinked for a year. This is no sustainable model.
Kind of "strange" your son did that considering both Australia and New Zealand have strict restriction on who can and who cannot travel into their country.
As for "no sustainable model", both Australia and New Zealand models are sustainable for as long as they need to be in place. After all it's the traveler who's paying the cost for quarantine.
As for "no sustainable model", both Australia and New Zealand models are sustainable for as long as they need to be in place. After all it's the traveler who's paying the cost for quarantine.
Hotel quarantine not as strict as countries who know what they are doing?
Surely not!! We have a world beating track and trace fiasco, a world beating border control system, that politicians claim is among the strictest in the world and we now have another total world beating lie, from these dregs of humanity.
It will be another tory shambles. They cannot get it right by default of being liars
Surely not!! We have a world beating track and trace fiasco, a world beating border control system, that politicians claim is among the strictest in the world and we now have another total world beating lie, from these dregs of humanity.
It will be another tory shambles. They cannot get it right by default of being liars
It will be another tory shambles. They cannot get it right by default of being liars
............they taught you well !!!!
............they taught you well !!!!
"Having read up on virus airborne transmission, its very unlikely he caught it that way"? Did you actually read the article above? Especially the bit "A widely-held assumption is infectious aerosols had accumulated in the air in this poorly-ventilated space and had led to his infection."? Growing evidence risks being transmitted either between rooms or between rooms public areas such as corridors.
Not just Australia and Isle of Man but also Hong Kong, Thailand, Singapore to mention just three more where ALL INTERNATIONAL ARRIVALS must have pre-booked a quarantine hotel beforehand!
The Isle of Man doesn't have quarantine hotels as in theory only residents can return to the island, but 14 day self isolation is essential with 3 tests, as it was shown people had their symptoms after isolation, final test is day 13. whilst the UK can't even get that right with their 10 day approach!
None of these quarantine hotels have continuous environmental air treatment. Indeed none of our buildings have it because it is not mandated in COVID mitigation guidance. Consequently these quarantine hotels will not stop transmission as this article shows. There are technologies that can stop indoor transmission which are safe, effective and proven but the government and SAGE arent interested...
I am of the opinion that you are just out to cause problems?? then there is no 100% proof ,,except you are entombed.in a space suit?? we need to realise this is here to stay ,and we need to be continuously, trying to protect against it,, but NO! WE ALWAYS DO IT OUR WAY, then moan when it goes WRONG!!
You may or may not be right about the strictness, but remember Australia is *vastly* bigger than the UK with less than a third the population all spread out much further. Smaller cities, less people, further apart all makes disease transmission less prevalent. Yes, they clamped down hard but it's not a like-for-like comparison.
Nothing to do with size, population or otherwise. It's to do with "international arrivals". A number of countries have shown not a single case of "local spread" for any number of months but EVERY NEW CASE an "international arrival".
Australia has had to learn fast and update it's measures to be 100% effective as a single new case "escaping" is lockdown for everyone.
Australia has had to learn fast and update it's measures to be 100% effective as a single new case "escaping" is lockdown for everyone.
while the Austrailian system is not perfect, it is working far better than what we have been doing here in the UK, perhaps you can tell us how much freedom do the Aussies have in there towns and cities, and how many infections there are there, all in comparison to here in the UK
Oz has quite a lot of freedom. SA has had very few cases (most things open, no masks etc but just social distancing), whilst Victoria & NSW are hit & miss. As soon as cases show up the states individually lockdown & if you are in the state you don't live then tough you're stuck here until lockdown ends!
Just imagine the uproar here if Yorkshire was able to create blockades to Lancashire roads (as they have done in NZ) or if Cornwall would close all access and ban or two week quarantine visitors from Liverpool, Newcastle or Birmingham for 6 months because they were deemed 'high risk'. That's the Australian reality. A touch of self-interest & xenophobia thrown in. Be careful what you wish for.
No one is even suggesting it is a long term policy. It's a proven "must have policy" until we have sufficient numbers of population vaccinated and even then you continue with "hotel quarantine" as that indeed is sustainable.
Lockdown is NOT a policy. Lockdown is a necessity to get the numbers down and under control when we've allowed them to get out of control.
Lockdown is NOT a policy. Lockdown is a necessity to get the numbers down and under control when we've allowed them to get out of control.
No need for explanation, it'll be half-baked.
Tories vote down protections for NHS in trade deals on deadliest day in pandemic -
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/tories-vote-down-protections-for-nhs-in-trade-deals-on-deadliest-day-in-pandemic/19/01/
Tories vote down protections for NHS in trade deals on deadliest day in pandemic -
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/tories-vote-down-protections-for-nhs-in-trade-deals-on-deadliest-day-in-pandemic/19/01/
Tories, the garbage can of humanity.
why are we paying for food in the hotel. Deliver groceries and charge less. alot less. at this point its cheaper to fly to Costa rica quarantine their for 10 days enjoy the rest of the month and fly back from a non red list country for the same price as a crap hotel in the UK. know what i would do
Hotel quarantine not as strict as countries who know what they are doing?
Surely not!! We have a world beating track and trace fiasco, a world beating border control system, that politicians claim is among the strictest in the world and we now have another total world beating lie, from these dregs of humanity.
It will be another tory shambles. They cannot get it right by default of being liars
Surely not!! We have a world beating track and trace fiasco, a world beating border control system, that politicians claim is among the strictest in the world and we now have another total world beating lie, from these dregs of humanity.
It will be another tory shambles. They cannot get it right by default of being liars
Added to that Scotland is implimenting a similar quarantine system to Austrailia, but Hancock says that people traveling through English airports can ignore the rules When traveling to Scotland, While johnson claims the UK has one of the strictest quarantine rule in the world. I suppose like the best track and trace system in the world!
While A/NZ are sold as as 'fix all' eradication solutions they are nothing of the sort. My son left the UK happy, healthy and certified Covid-free. In his hotel he was isolated, no outside access, stopped eating the food, lost weight, & had no sunlight. A hotel nearby germinated outbreaks. Don't believe the hype. There are reasons why A/NZ have delinked for a year. This is no sustainable model.
Kind of "strange" your son did that considering both Australia and New Zealand have strict restriction on who can and who cannot travel into their country.
As for "no sustainable model", both Australia and New Zealand models are sustainable for as long as they need to be in place. After all it's the traveler who's paying the cost for quarantine.
As for "no sustainable model", both Australia and New Zealand models are sustainable for as long as they need to be in place. After all it's the traveler who's paying the cost for quarantine.
Weak and feeble by popularity obsessed UK political class. Throw traveller’s in a cell for a fortnight. With a supply of bottled water and sandwiches.
Should have been in place from day one and deterring any travel whatsoever. While enabling it where really important via the quarantine cell.
Should have been in place from day one and deterring any travel whatsoever. While enabling it where really important via the quarantine cell.
None of these quarantine hotels have continuous environmental air treatment. Indeed none of our buildings have it because it is not mandated in COVID mitigation guidance. Consequently these quarantine hotels will not stop transmission as this article shows. There are technologies that can stop indoor transmission which are safe, effective and proven but the government and SAGE arent interested...
I am of the opinion that you are just out to cause problems?? then there is no 100% proof ,,except you are entombed.in a space suit?? we need to realise this is here to stay ,and we need to be continuously, trying to protect against it,, but NO! WE ALWAYS DO IT OUR WAY, then moan when it goes WRONG!!
1 of 2. Not at all. We the public deserve and the UK government deserve to be provided with proper guidance which is sadly lacking. SAGE and CIBSE are NOT IAQ experts and throughout this pandemic they have ignored technologies like this from people like us who ARE experts who have been solving these problems for years and way before this pandemic hit. The reason why COVID cases in hospitals ...
2 of 2 ... hospitals are showing increases in COVID cases after patients are admitted is because the guidance is lacking environmental air treatments that destroy the virus instantly at source. Our solutions do that. Go check the media - Better Indoors and Lloyds of London is one recent project - RGF Environmental. This works and gives us all a way out. It saves lives and makes indoor spaces safe.
Remember: griping here achieves nothing. If you've anything really important to say, a case to put, put it to your M.P. That at lease gives it the chance to be discussed in Parliament (even though our increasingly Stalinist government holds it in contempt and seems capable of evading the scrutiny Parliament is supposed to provide).
While certain people have consistently whined that our measures are never stringent enough & we should follow the example of others, the whole of Victoria locks down off the back of a handful of known cases. If we did that here, the same people would be moaning that it was unnecessarily ott & shouldn't affect them.
Unsure which side of this you are promoting. Of course our measures need to be as stringent as they have been proven elsewhere and of course we all learn from them, and improve them, and of course we lockdown off the back of a handful of known cases to stop further spread in its tracks and enable effective trace and isolation before the new spread takes hold.