UK and EU hold 'frank but constructive' talks on NI trade rules
12/02/2021 | news | politics | 3,791
The two sides vow to implement the Northern Ireland Protocol and "address all outstanding issues".
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11/02/2021 20:09:37 36 17
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Let's hope the EU are prepared to help out with this mess we've got into.

I wonder what they will want in return?
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11/02/2021 20:42:52 12 5
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Probably Cornwall, Devon and the parts of Somerset with economic value that can add to the pension pot
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11/02/2021 20:54:57 5 1
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What ever they would like, and welcome.
12/02/2021 11:41:32 1 1
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It is our mess not the EU's. We asked to be an independent sovereign nation. Your comment is typical of a common a sentiment in Britain where people are always asking for hand out. I much prefer the attitude of the Jews who just help themselves and get on with life. It is the reason why so many are so successful and I admire them for it and have adopted the same approach in my successful
life.
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11/02/2021 20:10:01 137 49
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We wanted our freedom. Welcome to the world of a third Country. Wonder if Bozo wakes up at night in a cold sweat wondering what the heck was he thinking...
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11/02/2021 20:18:36 77 157
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Yes a third country like Canada. Maybe WTO would be better, at least we could avoid EU rules and control. Top of list would be avoid EU imports, buy third country goods and British.
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11/02/2021 20:31:08 2 30
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Had your jab yet? Just as well you're not in your beloved EU.
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11/02/2021 21:11:58 18 3
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Only 42 days outside the EU: it's been an unremitting disaster for UK, no argument. But, of course, seen through the Trump lens, it's anything ya godamm wannit to be...
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11/02/2021 21:39:27 1 3
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Wonder if you wake up at night in a cold sweat thinking that your comments are rubbish?
11/02/2021 23:24:40 1 2
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Grow up, when the majority of people vote, that decision stands, you are minority tough Sh** on you
12/02/2021 00:00:01 0 0
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Nah, he doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself.
12/02/2021 00:28:21 0 0
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You are being much too charitable. I seriously doubt he was thinking at all!
jad
12/02/2021 12:25:33 0 0
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We seem to be setting up a lot of trade deals! as a third country. Do you even understand what that means! Third country is an EU term meaning your not part of thier block! the US is a third country, bigger that the entirity of Europe, Russia is a third country! think Im happy being a third country, Which leads you to who are first and second countries in the EU, hmm Germany, France maybe!
12/02/2021 12:41:57 0 0
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Spaffer has what he wanted - King of the World, or at least his part of it. What makes you think he gives a sh*t about the rest of us
12/02/2021 12:48:17 0 0
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I doubt it.
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11/02/2021 20:10:28 178 36
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Gove: A proponent of sign now knowing change is needed later to score local political points ....

Like Schools are safe - but not really.

A dishonest man Gove, at best.
married to a crypto-fascist
which I find ironic because neither are exactly poster children for a master race
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11/02/2021 21:41:05 3 2
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Gove has gotten to much of a free pass for his whoppers,

it reached the peak when he said that he has taken a drive as eye test.

It was blant that I realized that people wanted to believe the lirs
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11/02/2021 22:05:25 1 4
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As someone that works in a school I can assure you they are a lot safer than a supermarket and some business's
12/02/2021 01:03:32 5 0
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He truly is a snake in the grass. I wouldn't trust him to tie his own shoe laces.
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11/02/2021 20:10:32 241 36
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UK negotiated this deal, and the Government should have thought through how/if it would work, it was rushed through at the last minute with no time to check how it would work, train people, etc. No surprise that there are problems. NI was an afterthought throughout the negotiations.
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11/02/2021 20:34:56 167 29
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But they all knew what they were voting for....
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11/02/2021 20:37:41 38 1
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It seems it was an afterthought for the Brexit supporting DUP too.

Why they got behind Brexit is complete mystery. Considering what they're supposed to stand for, it made no sense whatsoever.

At least it made sense to the far right nationalists in the Tory party who had an axe to grind. I could understand them supporting it. Even if it didn't make sense for the UK.
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11/02/2021 20:41:19 31 2
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I can't help but feel that this agreement was worked out earlier in the year but the last minute signing was engineered so that there would not be enough time to examine the details before it was voted in.
11/02/2021 23:53:20 0 3
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Yes, and that “ rushing through” worries me about the vaccine.......
12/02/2021 00:40:41 3 0
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Not just an after thought in negotiations but also in the run up to the vote. The fact the UK has a land border was hardly mentioned! It’s as if UK citizens know more about the geography of Europe than the UK.
MT
12/02/2021 09:59:46 2 4
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You negotiate a deal on the basis of goodwill also. The EU have demonstrated none. You only have to look at what they did over vaccines and banning shellfish exports. When are people going to get it into their heads, there is no EU deal they will give the UK, because its about punishing the UK to warn other EU members who want to leave, not to. NOTHING MORE
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11/02/2021 20:10:40 139 48
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Let’s hope this Tory government starts coming up with workable solutions rather than throwing their usual childish insults at the EU.
Sorry, Macron and vaccines ?? Removed
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11/02/2021 21:43:45 2 4
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The exact opposite is the case. What EU planet do you live on?
12/02/2021 09:45:20 1 1
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The truth is the opposite of your comment. Who tried to override the NI Protocol
Who tried to block vaccine exports to the UK?
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11/02/2021 20:10:50 22 5
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A sensible approach, I think. There will need to be some give and take, given the nature of the existing agreement.

It's also a an excellent chance for the Government - who based their election campaign on getting Brexit done - to deliver on the promises they were happy to make in order to get elected.
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11/02/2021 20:26:46 8 1
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Landslide comes to mind from that last election. Must've been some almighty promises. Looking forward to see them come true.
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11/02/2021 20:10:20 49 23
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United Ireland and Independent Scotland E U Nations will be out of this obscene stramash we in England are stuck with it
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11/02/2021 20:27:23 14 22
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Go there then.
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11/02/2021 20:13:15 181 26
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Both sides were wrong to think a border in the Irish Sea would work.

The difference is the EU never wanted it and we did.

We wanted to take back control of our borders. Now we need to decide which one we want.
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11/02/2021 20:25:59 176 51
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The obvious solution is a united Ireland. Isn't it ironic that the Tories have done more to further that aim than Sinn Fein and the IRA. But given that the word Tory derives from a Irush word for thug or bandit perhaps it's not surprising.
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11/02/2021 21:34:19 16 2
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It will work. It was working, it needed the UKG to finalise all the procedures it had promised to do to make it work even better. DUP gaslighting you all in GB. They want their voters back and u turned on the NIP. Went from 41% to 19%. Yep. They don’t represent the majority in NI. Never did.
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11/02/2021 21:59:06 14 0
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And as an additional and tragic point of irony, having 'taken back control', we left our borders open for almost a year of a major pandemic.
MT
12/02/2021 10:00:45 1 5
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On that basis the EU never wanted Uk to leave, but that's the point. The EU always want EVERYTHING, they are despots.
12/02/2021 10:56:29 0 2
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Wrong., The EU forced this situation. We did not want this border arrangement.

More myopic remainer mis-truths.
12/02/2021 16:54:09 0 0
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no we didn't, stop making things up
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11/02/2021 20:13:30 2 11
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Northern Ireland ?

Sorry, who are you again ?
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11/02/2021 20:13:35 30 7
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Does Gove want Brexit extension?
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11/02/2021 20:13:38 12 14
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"...the UK government pointed back to the EU's threat to control vaccine deliveries to Northern Ireland last month - which the block later revoked - by triggering a part of the protocol known as Article 16"

The EU has learnt well from the UK and its threats to break international law by amending the withdrawal agreement. Oh, and not giving diplomatic immunity to the chief EU diplomat.
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11/02/2021 20:18:37 16 12
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The Eu is not a sovereign state and despite a lot of other sheep granting diplomatic status they have no right to expect it - would be ok if all the 27 EU members shut down their own embassy's - we don't have an OAU ambassador or OPEC ambassador etc.
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11/02/2021 20:14:44 438 118
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Typical of bojo and co this is, sign the deal without knowing the details
Now trying to blame the EU to cover up their failures
Completely incompetent
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11/02/2021 20:26:07 172 264
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But Boris’ crew secured vaccines... I know where i’d rather be.
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11/02/2021 20:30:30 21 89
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Had your jab yet? Just as well you're not in your beloved EU.
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11/02/2021 20:31:51 24 47
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But it was the EU trying to use it for their failed vaccine roll out. Don’t they need to take responsibility as well?
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11/02/2021 21:01:49 6 39
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The EU who thru Northern Ireland to the wolves & you call our government incompetent ? UK vaccinated more people than the EU put together wow your view of incompetent pretty warped !
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11/02/2021 21:21:48 4 33
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The vindictive EU are playing hardball and it will not help them in the end.
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11/02/2021 21:30:43 15 1
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For NI businesses, surely the answer is to take up Bozo on his promise - send the paperwork to him and he'll bin it. Aside from a pathological liar as PM and gullible idiots, what's the problem?
12/02/2021 00:26:31 4 0
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You’re wrong. They knew the detail, every last letter of it! That’s why they tried to pass the internal market bill. Unfortunately for NI we were the lamb worth sacrificing for the sake of Boris and Gove’s egos.
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11/02/2021 20:15:04 537 123
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It was the UK government's responsibility to negotiate a deal that was in the UK's interest. They can hardly blame the EU if they signed up to an agreement that is close to useless.
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11/02/2021 20:28:20 387 91
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But Johnson said the deal was "fantastic".

He's never lied, reneged on deals or broken promises before so why would he start now?
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11/02/2021 20:43:14 87 14
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You don’t understand. The Greatest Empire that ever was shouldn’t have to ask for anything ; anything it wants should be regarded as its right. Berxiters want cake? The should have it! Berxiters want to eat said cake? The should be allowed to do so! No ifs, no buts, end of.

Bloody EU being completely unreasonable.
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11/02/2021 20:50:00 77 8
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Cause the can blame, cause the gullible will lap it up. Look at their record , blamed Labour, then EU, then immigration now back to blaming the EU for a deal they sanctioned as being fantastic,
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11/02/2021 21:17:07 19 98
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If the EU declared war on us you would still be supporting them.
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11/02/2021 22:05:31 4 19
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Since when could one side negotiate anything?
The Eu made it clear agree that on the Ni Eire border or no deal absolutely nothing.People like yourself were the ones who refused nothing.
Agreed! No deal should ever be signed with Germans. No peace! Time to give them what they've deserved for thousands of years! Complete removal. Removed
12/02/2021 02:54:29 1 11
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AFAIK it takes two to make a binding contract, only one to renege on it.
EU tried its best to backtrack on borders soon as Vaccines supply came up.
Not that the did - just the suggestion to renege is politically bad bad bad.

EU want to start a civil war in NI or something? Impeach them as well.
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12/02/2021 09:16:53 2 8
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EU apologist.
Exactly. The EU didn't force the UK to sign anything, in fact they rejected any additional transition time to iron out these issues. And now? begging for an extension to stick the "oven ready" deal (yes you guessed it) back in the oven! This is what happens when you vote in a bunch of entitled, fanatic, racist, resentful, lying lunatics. Removed
MT
12/02/2021 09:55:19 1 5
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The deal they signed up to is not being honoured by the EU. There was nothing in the deal banning shellfish exports from UK, nothing in there allowing French authorities to insist on additional documentation, nothing in there that suggested NI would have in effect a hard border? you remember how the EU kicked up about UK planning legislation that may have broken agreement if it was needed?
12/02/2021 10:04:48 6 1
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"They are in large part the predictable - and often predicted - consequences of the UK Government putting an illusory notion of sovereignty above the economic well-being of the people of Wales and the rest of the UK

They were consequences of putting 'sovereignty' above the "well-being" of people"

Welsh Government Brexit impact report.

Leave voters look like idiots... again! :P
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11/02/2021 20:10:40 139 48
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Let’s hope this Tory government starts coming up with workable solutions rather than throwing their usual childish insults at the EU.
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Sorry, Macron and vaccines ?? Removed
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11/02/2021 20:24:06 13 1
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Irrelevant. Brexit isn't just about the next few months.
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11/02/2021 20:38:58 18 0
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France 50k less deaths
Germany 70k less deaths
Spain 50k less deaths....
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11/02/2021 20:18:27 18 19
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I very much doubt that the EU give a crap about the island of Ireland.
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11/02/2021 20:19:42 21 9
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More than bojo and co I guess
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11/02/2021 20:22:10 2 4
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Nail. On. Head. Ireland to the EU is nothing more than a tool they use to better the UK with.
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11/02/2021 20:23:55 6 3
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One of their members is the Irish Republic. So of course they care. What few will care about is your opinion on the matter.....
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11/02/2021 20:24:46 6 2
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and you do?
tosh
The Vice Chancellor of Oxford University (Pad) remarked to Fergal Keane in an interview on the interlocked UK and Irish economies and cultures that she had been saddened by how quickly and dismissively Brexiteers had trampled on the close ties
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11/02/2021 20:10:01 137 49
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We wanted our freedom. Welcome to the world of a third Country. Wonder if Bozo wakes up at night in a cold sweat wondering what the heck was he thinking...
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11/02/2021 20:18:36 77 157
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Yes a third country like Canada. Maybe WTO would be better, at least we could avoid EU rules and control. Top of list would be avoid EU imports, buy third country goods and British.
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11/02/2021 20:27:54 38 5
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Even the lunatics in charge at the moment realised that WTO rules would have spelt the ruin of this Country. Stop fantasising and realise that we are now a competitor of the EU. We, or better the likes of you, saw to that.
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11/02/2021 20:28:28 37 3
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WTO would just exacerbate any of our current issues. Not a solution.
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11/02/2021 20:29:06 18 1
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Top of YOUR list possibly.... some of us have other priorities...
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11/02/2021 20:30:44 32 2
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With WTO our goods would not only need to follow the EU rules, have the paperwork, but would also be subject to tariffs and limits in amount exportable. How would that be better?
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11/02/2021 20:44:12 33 1
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Under WTO we'd be under WTO rules instead.

Plus, if we want to trade with the EU, and we want NI to remain part of the UK, we'd STILL have to follow quite a few of their rules.

We'd ave three lots of rules to follow: ours, WTO and EU.

Brexit supporters must REALLY love admin and red tape!
I do not buy British if it can be avoided. The EU are and always have been greater friends to me than the British Government and I would rather see Britain sink that turn my back on the EU. Brexit stole my freedom and I shall never cease to hurt any brexiteer that I can by any means available to me. Removed
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11/02/2021 21:00:33 27 1
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If trading under WTO rules is so wonderful why did Canada & Japan do trade deals with the EU? Even the WTO say that trading under WTO rules is a stopgap until better trade deals can be negotiated between individual countries/trading blocs. Under WTO rules every country is a rule-taker and WTO court decisions are made behind closed doors. The UK won most of their cases at ECJ.
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11/02/2021 21:42:28 3 4
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If you think the UK is a third world country, go and visit some real ones, like I have, and you will see the difference.
Why do so many anti-Brexit people on these discussions hate their own country and want the UK to fail?
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11/02/2021 21:52:31 5 2
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But WTO is basically what we've got. All Bojo's deal does is remove tariffs from WTO rules; all the red tape is due to WTO, not Bojo's deal (and what ever happened to the brexiters' boasts that Brexit was about slashing red tape?).

Also, why should those of us that didn't vote leave (73% of UK population) "avoid EU imports"? It's your mess, you clean it up.
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11/02/2021 22:16:28 3 0
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Just like Brexit, WTO will bring more constraints.
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11/02/2021 22:34:00 5 0
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OMG, what are you thinking, you clearly want to sink the country.
WTO is a shambles, I lived through it pre EU, be careful what you wish for.
11/02/2021 23:25:17 0 2
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True
12/02/2021 00:02:52 3 0
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What go back to the 70s with the “Italian-style meal” in a tin, instead of the real thing that we now love !
12/02/2021 06:34:20 2 0
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You are talking gibberish
You said you knew what you were voting for
But it's * isn't it?
12/02/2021 09:31:23 0 0
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But we can do this if we wnat to isnt that what brexiteers wanted? Of courrse availabity.and.cost might be an issue both for import and EXPORT whic you fail to recognise
12/02/2021 11:32:06 0 0
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Irrelevant.
Even if we went WTO, we'd still have to do something about the NI/Eire land border, and the uncrossable Red Line meant it had to be done without wrecking the GFA.
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12/02/2021 14:13:02 0 0
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Canada has a trade agreement with its nearest neighbour and largest export market. So we could go down that route, and have one with ours... which would be the EU. So basically what we just walked away from.
12/02/2021 18:09:59 0 0
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We seem to have our shops very full of all goods just as we had before exit, salads from Spain, holland, etc.. Why, is it that we are not playing silly games like the EU with items going to NI from the UK mainland even when they were from the EU in the first place? I am not impressed by the EU or their Commission!
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11/02/2021 20:13:38 12 14
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"...the UK government pointed back to the EU's threat to control vaccine deliveries to Northern Ireland last month - which the block later revoked - by triggering a part of the protocol known as Article 16"

The EU has learnt well from the UK and its threats to break international law by amending the withdrawal agreement. Oh, and not giving diplomatic immunity to the chief EU diplomat.
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11/02/2021 20:18:37 16 12
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The Eu is not a sovereign state and despite a lot of other sheep granting diplomatic status they have no right to expect it - would be ok if all the 27 EU members shut down their own embassy's - we don't have an OAU ambassador or OPEC ambassador etc.
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11/02/2021 20:19:37 10 6
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And the UK breaking International Law?
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11/02/2021 20:26:26 2 4
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Well said mate
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11/02/2021 20:27:03 4 2
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It was Thatcher's idea I believe that the European Union should have diplomatic status. Last I heard La Thatcher was a Tory - tho' what she would think of the current mentally challenged shower is unknown
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11/02/2021 20:27:29 3 2
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"The other sheep" read rest of world. Of course we're right and the other 250 countries or how ever many it was is wrong. In the UK, we're living the epoch of the (add four letter word beginning with third letter in alphabet). I just hope one day it will be over.
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11/02/2021 20:18:55 74 13
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Is Brexit done yet?
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11/02/2021 20:47:08 82 16
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Yep we’ve all been done with it.
12/02/2021 12:42:00 1 0
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not exactly as it has still to be ratified by the EU afaik.
12/02/2021 13:50:21 1 0
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It’s done for the time being, but there’s quite a few items in the oven ready deal that have to be renegotiated is 2,3, 4 years time etc.
Come the next GE, Bozo and his circus will be on a tax haven island somewhere and the tories that are left with have to take the flak that Bozo didn’t get Brexit done.
This will play into Labours’ hands, that’s why they are avoiding the Brexit issues.
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11/02/2021 20:19:14 20 18
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Post-Brexit trade deal success is 'two-way street', says EU...Thus far everything has been on terms dictated by the EU. Their interpretation of fair is to implement article 16 at will without any consultation. Thus far red tape and bureaucracy has had a huge impact on our ability to export meat, fish and produce. It looks like we are going to have a trade war.
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11/02/2021 20:22:27 10 6
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a threat made by a frantic commission
over-ruled within hours by their senior negotiator and a troupe of member states

I would remind you that in the weeks before Arlene had demanded Article 16 be invoked
hourly
just because M&S ran short of pies
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11/02/2021 20:22:35 7 1
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Not an oven ready deal then was it, and neither did we 'hold all the cards' but you were warned.
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11/02/2021 20:23:07 4 0
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Except they quickly resiled from that decision - rather more quickly than Gove & Johnson withdrew the clauses in the IMB that broke the NI protocol

2 way street means simply - you want to change some terms that don;t suit you - we want to change terms that do not suit us......
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11/02/2021 20:25:07 1 3
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Yep, they broke the GFA twice in a fortnight, where was Nancy Pelosi crying foul?
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11/02/2021 20:30:09 4 0
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Boris and his MPs cheered the deal as being the best ever.

Did they not read what they signed?
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11/02/2021 20:44:07 3 0
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So what did Boris sign they are implementing what is in the deal, just because we don’t seem to like what’s in the deal I fear our anger is in the wrong direction, Tories already selecting the blame.
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The Eu is not a sovereign state and despite a lot of other sheep granting diplomatic status they have no right to expect it - would be ok if all the 27 EU members shut down their own embassy's - we don't have an OAU ambassador or OPEC ambassador etc.
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11/02/2021 20:19:37 10 6
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And the UK breaking International Law?
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11/02/2021 20:23:22 6 4
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Just precisely what is International Law? - Russia and China seem quite happy to veto any such matters at the UN.
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11/02/2021 20:26:51 3 2
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What an accurate user name.....
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11/02/2021 20:18:27 18 19
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I very much doubt that the EU give a crap about the island of Ireland.
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11/02/2021 20:19:42 21 9
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More than bojo and co I guess
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Gove: A proponent of sign now knowing change is needed later to score local political points ....

Like Schools are safe - but not really.

A dishonest man Gove, at best.
married to a crypto-fascist
which I find ironic because neither are exactly poster children for a master race
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11/02/2021 20:21:12 15 16
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This government promised anything to anyone in order to get Brexit done with little or no regard for the consequences. Things have to change at the next election.
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11/02/2021 20:18:27 18 19
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I very much doubt that the EU give a crap about the island of Ireland.
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11/02/2021 20:22:10 2 4
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Nail. On. Head. Ireland to the EU is nothing more than a tool they use to better the UK with.
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11/02/2021 20:39:28 2 0
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Diddums. We made ourselves the smaller, weaker party in negotiations, remember. You reap what you sow.
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11/02/2021 20:19:14 20 18
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Post-Brexit trade deal success is 'two-way street', says EU...Thus far everything has been on terms dictated by the EU. Their interpretation of fair is to implement article 16 at will without any consultation. Thus far red tape and bureaucracy has had a huge impact on our ability to export meat, fish and produce. It looks like we are going to have a trade war.
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11/02/2021 20:22:27 10 6
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a threat made by a frantic commission
over-ruled within hours by their senior negotiator and a troupe of member states

I would remind you that in the weeks before Arlene had demanded Article 16 be invoked
hourly
just because M&S ran short of pies
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11/02/2021 20:27:29 2 0
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To be fair, running out of pies is no laughing matter.
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11/02/2021 20:46:08 3 0
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Boris was the first to use the threat of invoking article 16. Not saying 2 wrongs make a right, but those in glass houses should not throw stones.
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11/02/2021 20:19:14 20 18
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Post-Brexit trade deal success is 'two-way street', says EU...Thus far everything has been on terms dictated by the EU. Their interpretation of fair is to implement article 16 at will without any consultation. Thus far red tape and bureaucracy has had a huge impact on our ability to export meat, fish and produce. It looks like we are going to have a trade war.
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11/02/2021 20:22:35 7 1
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Not an oven ready deal then was it, and neither did we 'hold all the cards' but you were warned.
The EU (ie the Germans) will fight tooth & nail for their principles, which are to destroy the Jews & the Serbs. We will defeat them, easily. Removed
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11/02/2021 20:36:54 1 0
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Vile racism
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11/02/2021 20:23:00 3 2
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May well work in Northern Ireland for obvious reasons.
As for the rest of the U.K., well the benefits so far have staggering.
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11/02/2021 20:19:14 20 18
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Post-Brexit trade deal success is 'two-way street', says EU...Thus far everything has been on terms dictated by the EU. Their interpretation of fair is to implement article 16 at will without any consultation. Thus far red tape and bureaucracy has had a huge impact on our ability to export meat, fish and produce. It looks like we are going to have a trade war.
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11/02/2021 20:23:07 4 0
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Except they quickly resiled from that decision - rather more quickly than Gove & Johnson withdrew the clauses in the IMB that broke the NI protocol

2 way street means simply - you want to change some terms that don;t suit you - we want to change terms that do not suit us......
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11/02/2021 20:23:10 88 14
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Johnson will drive a coach and horses through the NI protocol to save the Union, which he put at risk so as not to die in a ditch prior to the last election.
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11/02/2021 20:40:12 85 23
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He is beyond saving the union can’t see the Scots forgiving us for this, Ireland won’t be to far behind.
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11/02/2021 20:47:23 21 0
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If he does, he can wave goodbye to over 40% of our exports.
11/02/2021 23:05:22 8 1
bbc
He had better not lie in front of a bulldozer when I’m driving it!
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11/02/2021 20:19:37 10 6
bbc
And the UK breaking International Law?
31
11/02/2021 20:23:22 6 4
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Just precisely what is International Law? - Russia and China seem quite happy to veto any such matters at the UN.
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11/02/2021 20:42:19 2 1
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That's the point, foolish one. We are supposed to be one of the good guys - you know, humanity, decency etc - but not with Major Disaster and his bunch of lackeys in charge??
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11/02/2021 20:23:23 173 43
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Dear Arlene....you get into bed with the rogue Tories...you deserve what comes your way.
What a terrifying thought, Arlene getting into bed, horrid........ Removed
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11/02/2021 21:33:20 0 16
bbc
Would you have got into bed with Corbyn?
12/02/2021 10:44:44 1 0
bbc
Why put that image in people's head? That is worse than all the bad things that were promised by Brexit, it's worse than thinking of your parents....see what you have caused!!!!
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11/02/2021 20:18:27 18 19
bbc
I very much doubt that the EU give a crap about the island of Ireland.
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11/02/2021 20:23:55 6 3
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One of their members is the Irish Republic. So of course they care. What few will care about is your opinion on the matter.....
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11/02/2021 20:23:59 304 86
bbc
I don't think a Brexit success is a 2 way street. More of a cul de sac with just us in it muttering something about sovereignty and blue passports
Had your jab yet? Just as well you're not in your beloved EU. Removed
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11/02/2021 21:23:46 6 25
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On the contrary, cul de sac is a good description of the EU.
645
11/02/2021 21:53:59 5 15
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It’s called liberal democracy. If you are uncomfortable with the concept you could move to Hong Kong and see how you get on. We have to let our fellow citizens desire for political freedom prevail over our economic vested interests. Or we are not free.
848
11/02/2021 22:22:49 4 1
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mmmm those blue passports, all printed somewhere in Europe aren't they, you couldn't make it up.......
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bcl
11/02/2021 20:24:04 365 71
bbc
Gove wants a two year 'grace period'. Thought the EU offered an extension a number of times but Gove, Johnson and all their fellow leavers refused point blank.
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11/02/2021 20:28:12 140 279
bbc
There's a huge difference between a grace period for implementation and a delay to the Brexit negotiations. Keep up
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11/02/2021 20:29:37 8 57
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You don’t mention all the EXTRA conditions that the EU wants in exchange for a ‘protectionist’ extension......
153
11/02/2021 20:43:15 50 3
bbc
Yes, it would be funny if it wasn't so despicable.
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Ian
11/02/2021 21:45:59 3 25
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Of course the eu wanted an extension for as long as possible so they could get the £1000 million net we pay every month into the eu's piggy bank in Brussels for as long as possible.[
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11/02/2021 21:47:19 1 16
bbc
Not true. Show us your proof.
12/02/2021 09:17:25 1 5
bbc
EU apologist.
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11/02/2021 20:24:05 205 77
bbc
The fundamental problem is that Brexit was a stupid idea, still is a stupid idea, and always will be a stupid idea.

Until the proponents of Brexit admit they were mistaken, we're unlikely to make any progress.
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11/02/2021 20:32:54 125 40
bbc
Not sure anyone keen on Berxit is interested in progress, frankly....
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11/02/2021 21:37:24 7 22
bbc
Until bitter Remoaners accept that Brexit has happened and there is no going back, we will continue to read futile posts like yours.
Sorry, Macron and vaccines ?? Removed
37
11/02/2021 20:24:06 13 1
bbc
Irrelevant. Brexit isn't just about the next few months.
80
11/02/2021 20:30:38 4 17
bbc
Not irrelevant. If the EU can’t vaccinate its citizens going forward in a timely fashion without clocking it up, it’s failed in its primary task.
38
11/02/2021 20:24:20 12 18
bbc
Great... Another Brexit HYS... another chance for remoaners to spew out more repetitive bile.
44
11/02/2021 20:25:47 17 4
bbc
You had a chance to make Brexit a success ... what happened?
54
11/02/2021 20:27:03 3 2
bbc
Truth always hurts, doesn’t it?
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11/02/2021 20:27:31 4 3
bbc
'repetitive bile' - aka 'facts'
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11/02/2021 20:32:14 5 1
bbc
Translated: Can the BBC please stop reporting the obvious flaws in Johnson's Berxit deal....?
108
11/02/2021 20:35:24 4 0
bbc
You still not happy with your pyrrhic victory, dear?
113
11/02/2021 20:36:12 2 0
bbc
Surely a HYS on Brexit is a chance for leavers to reveal the upsides we left over a year ago . As usual it will be silence or a torrent of rhetoric. Come on one tangible benefit that has or will make a difference to day in day out lives.
39
11/02/2021 20:24:29 254 56
bbc
An 80 seat majority won on a useless EU deal .....

... and still the penny doesn't drop.
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11/02/2021 20:27:51 106 168
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what makes you think leavers wanted an EU deal. Those I know voted leave - would do it again in a heartbeat - this should suggest to you that they had reasons other than EU trade for their vote? Who are we to say they are wrong?
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11/02/2021 20:41:53 12 62
bbc
Garbage...
80 seat majority was won on the premise of Brexit, which happened on 31st Jan 2020, not the trade deal, which the EU has deliberately spiked to be petty, even though it’s beginning to hurt Republic of Ireland, EU exporters to the U.K., and many of the fresh seafood restaurants in Holland, Belgium and France, especially Paris.
12/02/2021 08:55:36 0 1
bbc
Guess what Ole there's more to the UK than just London it's about time you woke up and smelt the coffee
12/02/2021 09:21:24 1 0
bbc
Based on misinformation and xenophobia
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11/02/2021 20:18:27 18 19
bbc
I very much doubt that the EU give a crap about the island of Ireland.
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11/02/2021 20:24:46 6 2
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and you do?
tosh
The Vice Chancellor of Oxford University (Pad) remarked to Fergal Keane in an interview on the interlocked UK and Irish economies and cultures that she had been saddened by how quickly and dismissively Brexiteers had trampled on the close ties
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11/02/2021 20:24:50 7 22
bbc
The EU is a cumbersome bureaucratic process driven behemoth. It is why we left. It is why we have a massively successful vaccination programme and the EU is raking over the ashes of its failed joint cooperative programme. Short hand for useless and inefficient. Many Europeans will die needlessly as a result of their incompetence. So glad we're out of it.
Successful?

That's why the country is still in lockdown, the harshest yet, with 404 Million vaccines that the government is keeping fingers crossed works .....

... with the rest of the world looking on.
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11/02/2021 20:30:49 3 0
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You forgot to mention that we have the highest death rate in Europe.
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11/02/2021 20:30:55 2 1
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Nothing like a little Schadenfreude, eh - but I expect you'll have to look that up. Shame all you Lemoaners still can't get over your pyrrhic victory, and business is now realising what a bum deal Major Disaster and his chums negotiated.??
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11/02/2021 20:41:21 2 0
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Vaccinations have nothing to do with Brexit.
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11/02/2021 20:19:14 20 18
bbc
Post-Brexit trade deal success is 'two-way street', says EU...Thus far everything has been on terms dictated by the EU. Their interpretation of fair is to implement article 16 at will without any consultation. Thus far red tape and bureaucracy has had a huge impact on our ability to export meat, fish and produce. It looks like we are going to have a trade war.
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11/02/2021 20:25:07 1 3
bbc
Yep, they broke the GFA twice in a fortnight, where was Nancy Pelosi crying foul?
43
11/02/2021 20:25:15 209 46
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Let's face it folks: Johnson sold us a bum deal - and, as usual, lied about it! Still does!
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11/02/2021 20:28:38 155 24
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Johnson will not admit his fantastic deal was a blatant lie, and none of his brown noser Cabinet will admit it is the opposite of fantastic.
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11/02/2021 21:34:31 0 16
bbc
Let's face it folks, you are a bitter Remoaner and even when the Brexit benefits show through you will still be moaning.
38
11/02/2021 20:24:20 12 18
bbc
Great... Another Brexit HYS... another chance for remoaners to spew out more repetitive bile.
44
11/02/2021 20:25:47 17 4
bbc
You had a chance to make Brexit a success ... what happened?
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Rob
11/02/2021 20:13:15 181 26
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Both sides were wrong to think a border in the Irish Sea would work.

The difference is the EU never wanted it and we did.

We wanted to take back control of our borders. Now we need to decide which one we want.
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11/02/2021 20:25:59 176 51
bbc
The obvious solution is a united Ireland. Isn't it ironic that the Tories have done more to further that aim than Sinn Fein and the IRA. But given that the word Tory derives from a Irush word for thug or bandit perhaps it's not surprising.
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11/02/2021 21:32:12 12 25
bbc
There will not be a united Ireland. The Republic does not have the resources, either financial or demographic, to take over Northern Ireland. Neither the Republic nor the EU will support the six counties with the subsidy that the UK provides. A million Unionists will never accept being put in a foreign country. There would be bloodshed.
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11/02/2021 21:48:21 11 13
bbc
Bit of a pity then that people in Northern Ireland don't want a united Ireland.
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BOF
11/02/2021 22:23:47 3 3
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Quite right!
12/02/2021 01:01:32 11 4
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The obvious solution was for ALL parts of the UK to stay in the single market and customs union.
12/02/2021 09:25:23 0 2
bbc
It is not the Tories who shot people and left bombs in public places, but some of the Irish nationalists.
MT
12/02/2021 10:02:35 2 2
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I've always been in favour of a united Ireland where the UK caused the problem in Ireland in the first place. However that is not the problem is it? The EU showed by their vaccine actions they are not interested in Eire, they are only interested in safeguarding their own despotic empire and sending a message to stop other members who want to leave.
12/02/2021 11:23:36 0 1
bbc
Or to allow Ireland to remain in the EU but to affiliate with the UK and have the best of both worlds?
12/02/2021 16:14:00 0 0
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A United Ireland is most certainly on it's way as is an Independent Scotland....how ironic that this will happen on the watch of a right wing Conservative & Unionist Party government. lol Should be renamed Little England Nationalist Party.
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11/02/2021 20:14:44 438 118
bbc
Typical of bojo and co this is, sign the deal without knowing the details
Now trying to blame the EU to cover up their failures
Completely incompetent
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11/02/2021 20:26:07 172 264
bbc
But Boris’ crew secured vaccines... I know where i’d rather be.
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11/02/2021 20:33:24 105 14
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That was the one thing in the last year they left to experts
One success does not cover up the countless failures, ppe, testing, borders, test and trace etc etc
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11/02/2021 20:33:44 119 18
bbc
Completely irrelevant whatabboutery given we were still in the EU single market when all the vaccine decisions and deals were made.

The subject is the awful deal Boris negotiated and the huge damage he has pointlessly inflicted on the UK.
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11/02/2021 20:34:03 95 15
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Yes they did. It's the ONLY thing they seem to have done right.

So, you'd rather here would you? In a country with one of the highest deaths rates from Covid in the world.

Did you vote for Brexit by any chance?
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11/02/2021 20:43:37 37 6
bbc
Aw Didddums! What a pathetic comment.
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11/02/2021 20:44:15 86 12
bbc
Never underestimate the ignorance of your average Brexiteer.
The approval of vaccines by the U.K. was done in accordance with EU rules.
But that doesn’t suit their pathetic little world view
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11/02/2021 20:48:57 2 3
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Well Fox trott then
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11/02/2021 21:18:32 29 3
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121,674 dead.

Vaccines are only part of the story.
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11/02/2021 21:24:56 8 2
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You'll believe anything ;)
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11/02/2021 21:30:27 23 3
bbc
Boris has also given us the worlds highest covid death rates. Success will be judged on death rates, not vaccine rates.
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11/02/2021 21:32:57 15 2
bbc
New Zealand? Australia? South Korea? Vietnam? hell, even Bhutan is looking like a pretty favourable alternative to this plague island...
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11/02/2021 21:49:26 2 12
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Perhaps all of the critics of the UK Govt would like to join the EU queue for a vaccine? No? Why not?
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11/02/2021 21:55:42 4 0
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Me too. New Zealand.
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11/02/2021 21:55:52 14 0
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Securing our vaccine supplies independently of the EU was not contingent on our leaving the EU. Germany started off down this track but then switched subsequently, much to their regret!
11/02/2021 23:09:15 3 0
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Irrelevant to the main issue.
11/02/2021 23:14:33 4 0
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Shame it took 100k deaths to get there
11/02/2021 23:48:13 1 0
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Yes, but it was half “protection of the population, and half. “We must be first, to show that the English are exceptional. The EU vaccination programme and vaccine will be entirely managed by protection. I know what I’d rather have....
11/02/2021 23:53:07 4 0
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Laughable attempt at deflection.
11/02/2021 23:53:20 3 0
bbc
They took a big gamble and have paid several times the price the EU paid, you might wish to rethink.
12/02/2021 00:01:26 6 0
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I'd rather live in a country where over 100,000 people did not die of Covid.
12/02/2021 00:13:27 3 1
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A lot of people died long before Boris gambled on a vaccine.
12/02/2021 00:28:06 5 0
bbc
Well Ireland has more people per 100,000 vaccinated fully-2 doses, than the UK has.
12/02/2021 00:37:45 5 0
bbc
Wait a minute 50% more deaths than the EU per head of population. And with the UK having almost 3 times as many cases per head of population as the EU during the 3rd wave, just as well they have managed to do 1 thing competently, or that ultimate statistic would be even worse. I know where I'd rather be. With the 50% less chance of dying.
12/02/2021 00:45:50 6 0
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The UK are significantly behind the EU in giving the vaccines as the manufacturers have advised & tested i.e. 2 doses in the advised time
Bojo sycophants wont be so smug in a few months time when the EU has a vaccine program that has worked & the UK is moping up the mess

The current UK vaccine roll out is nothing more than a numbers game to fool brexiteers & the easily led
Gove is a perfect example of everything a politician should not be. Shameless, lying comes so easy to him and when his lies are put to him he has no shame whatsoever. A horrible human being. Removed
He is using exaggerated politeness to hide his true character - I agree: a despicable little man. Removed
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11/02/2021 20:29:17 0 1
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and you think politicians in EU are any different? I lost faith in all politicians a long time ago!
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11/02/2021 20:18:37 16 12
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The Eu is not a sovereign state and despite a lot of other sheep granting diplomatic status they have no right to expect it - would be ok if all the 27 EU members shut down their own embassy's - we don't have an OAU ambassador or OPEC ambassador etc.
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11/02/2021 20:26:26 2 4
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Well said mate
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11/02/2021 20:26:44 163 55
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As predicted by everyone with sense, brexit has destroyed the U.K. and isn’t ever going to be “done”. More cap in hand begging to try and polish a turd.

Still those scweaming the loudest will claim it’s exactly what they voted for, and food shortages, a weak pound, a useless passport and mass unemployment are worth paying for “sovrinty”
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11/02/2021 20:31:17 68 151
bbc
Exactly the kind of patronising totally inaccurate attitude that permeates certain sections of the population and characterises some remainers. Can’t see past the end of their own noses and yet accuse the other side of being short sighted.
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11/02/2021 20:31:59 8 30
bbc
You’re basing that decision on how many weeks....? And your use of some perceived “common man” language shows how detached you are from your chattering class dinner parties and the real.
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11/02/2021 21:45:18 7 31
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Brexit has destroyed the UK? I have never read such laughable rubbish.
11/02/2021 23:21:32 1 19
bbc
Bollocks
12/02/2021 09:40:15 0 6
bbc
What food shortages?

Another lie from the Project Fear brigade.
jad
12/02/2021 12:22:02 1 3
bbc
at least we've got a COVID policy that we wouldnt have. wheres the food shortages and mass unemployment? The pound is not as weak as we were lead to beleive by your lot, and still the remoaners remoan! no matter how bad the EU proves to be your still moan! like old washer woman. Going to blame everything on Exit, Covid has nothing to do with it! you lot need to get a life and move on!
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11/02/2021 20:10:50 22 5
bbc
A sensible approach, I think. There will need to be some give and take, given the nature of the existing agreement.

It's also a an excellent chance for the Government - who based their election campaign on getting Brexit done - to deliver on the promises they were happy to make in order to get elected.
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11/02/2021 20:26:46 8 1
bbc
Landslide comes to mind from that last election. Must've been some almighty promises. Looking forward to see them come true.
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11/02/2021 20:19:37 10 6
bbc
And the UK breaking International Law?
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11/02/2021 20:26:51 3 2
bbc
What an accurate user name.....
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11/02/2021 20:26:51 2 2
bbc
we're economically uninteresting to the conservatives and their new backers
theyre hoping this just blows over
two years would be a dream for them

bespoke banking
Just ask Gideon
not a Brexiteer for sure
but cute enough to know why it happened
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11/02/2021 20:18:37 16 12
bbc
The Eu is not a sovereign state and despite a lot of other sheep granting diplomatic status they have no right to expect it - would be ok if all the 27 EU members shut down their own embassy's - we don't have an OAU ambassador or OPEC ambassador etc.
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11/02/2021 20:27:03 4 2
bbc
It was Thatcher's idea I believe that the European Union should have diplomatic status. Last I heard La Thatcher was a Tory - tho' what she would think of the current mentally challenged shower is unknown
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11/02/2021 20:24:20 12 18
bbc
Great... Another Brexit HYS... another chance for remoaners to spew out more repetitive bile.
54
11/02/2021 20:27:03 3 2
bbc
Truth always hurts, doesn’t it?
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11/02/2021 20:27:04 8 14
bbc
Who are these unelected EU idiots - just go to no deal and if the EU want a boarder on the island of Ireland let them do it.
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bcl
11/02/2021 20:33:15 2 1
bbc
Thought it was Johnson who wanted a border in the Irish Sea, but you want tariffs as well as all these other problems.
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11/02/2021 20:38:38 0 2
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There will be serious consequences of that move. The I R A may not be noticed at the moment - but it wouldn't take too much to arouse their ire.
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11/02/2021 20:40:35 2 0
bbc
We already have a deal. And a Withdrawal Agreement. Movement on.??
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11/02/2021 20:59:09 1 0
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You really do have a good grasp of international agreements, don't you. Sort of says it all about Brexiteers really. With every statement you go further and further down the rabbit hole.
12/02/2021 09:00:16 1 0
bbc
Lots of 'Boarders' on the island of Ireland - Mainly in boarding houses :-)
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11/02/2021 20:24:50 7 22
bbc
The EU is a cumbersome bureaucratic process driven behemoth. It is why we left. It is why we have a massively successful vaccination programme and the EU is raking over the ashes of its failed joint cooperative programme. Short hand for useless and inefficient. Many Europeans will die needlessly as a result of their incompetence. So glad we're out of it.
Successful?

That's why the country is still in lockdown, the harshest yet, with 404 Million vaccines that the government is keeping fingers crossed works .....

... with the rest of the world looking on.
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11/02/2021 20:37:40 0 2
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Explain why almost the rest of Europe is under equal or sterner lockdown conditions that the U.K.?..... and why we at least in the U.K. have some light at the end of the tunnel, with a rapid vaccine program that will have herd immunity in place by September..... whilst the EU is looking at Easter 2022 as probable date for herd immunity.
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11/02/2021 20:10:20 49 23
bbc
United Ireland and Independent Scotland E U Nations will be out of this obscene stramash we in England are stuck with it
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11/02/2021 20:27:23 14 22
bbc
Go there then.
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11/02/2021 20:41:36 5 0
bbc
Soon there will only be the Isle of Man, will you say that then too?
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11/02/2021 21:10:09 8 3
bbc
Nigel Lawson has taken French residency, Jim Radcliffe is in Monaco, James Dyson is in Singapore; why would I want to join the quitter rats? I prefer to remain here and work for better things. Time for a new ERG - European Rejoin Group!
850
11/02/2021 22:23:04 4 1
bbc
As usual no arguments...
12/02/2021 15:37:20 0 0
bbc
Why didn't all these 'so leave the UK' types leave when we were in the EU, if they hated it so much?
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11/02/2021 20:18:37 16 12
bbc
The Eu is not a sovereign state and despite a lot of other sheep granting diplomatic status they have no right to expect it - would be ok if all the 27 EU members shut down their own embassy's - we don't have an OAU ambassador or OPEC ambassador etc.
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11/02/2021 20:27:29 3 2
bbc
"The other sheep" read rest of world. Of course we're right and the other 250 countries or how ever many it was is wrong. In the UK, we're living the epoch of the (add four letter word beginning with third letter in alphabet). I just hope one day it will be over.
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11/02/2021 20:33:53 0 3
bbc
You obviously have an opinion and because you live in the UK are granted the right to express it freely. The other sheep may well be elsewhere in the world but your maths is way out (try perhaps half of the number you quote) - that is why it is an "opinion" and not a fact, therefore possibly wrong. Everything will be over one day (fact).
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11/02/2021 20:22:27 10 6
bbc
a threat made by a frantic commission
over-ruled within hours by their senior negotiator and a troupe of member states

I would remind you that in the weeks before Arlene had demanded Article 16 be invoked
hourly
just because M&S ran short of pies
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11/02/2021 20:27:29 2 0
bbc
To be fair, running out of pies is no laughing matter.
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11/02/2021 20:24:20 12 18
bbc
Great... Another Brexit HYS... another chance for remoaners to spew out more repetitive bile.
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11/02/2021 20:27:31 4 3
bbc
'repetitive bile' - aka 'facts'
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11/02/2021 20:27:47 17 18
bbc
The EU remains in the Resistance stage of the denial curve as they still don't accept that the UK voted to leave the EU and they are determined to do whatever they can to ensure that the process remains as difficult as possible - this is entirely predictable

For sure I miss the free movement and single market but do I want to be governed by the unelected Ursula and her fellow eurocrats?
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11/02/2021 20:29:51 13 10
bbc
Governed? That never happened and couldn't happen. You just made it up.
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11/02/2021 20:30:04 8 2
bbc
Eh??????? I think it is the UK that is throwing toys out of the pram, not the EU.....
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11/02/2021 20:33:26 7 1
bbc
Unelected eurocrats.. like the pompous blowhard Farage you mean? The one who was fisheries minister for the UK.. and attended one out of 42 fisheries meetings. Well it's ok cos UK fishing is prospering now isn't it? Oh...
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11/02/2021 20:57:03 1 1
bbc
You really don't have a clue what you've done, do you? As a policeman friend of mine says, you can't argue with stupid ??
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11/02/2021 20:24:29 254 56
bbc
An 80 seat majority won on a useless EU deal .....

... and still the penny doesn't drop.
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11/02/2021 20:27:51 106 168
bbc
what makes you think leavers wanted an EU deal. Those I know voted leave - would do it again in a heartbeat - this should suggest to you that they had reasons other than EU trade for their vote? Who are we to say they are wrong?
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11/02/2021 20:32:47 54 9
bbc
Yes and we know the biggest reason even though most claim otherwise.
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MHA
11/02/2021 20:37:13 42 4
bbc
EU was created for trade!
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11/02/2021 20:42:16 65 17
bbc
Yes we know. Racism and xenophobia. It's not pretty.
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11/02/2021 20:46:46 54 11
bbc
In this country we're still free to say anyone is wrong.

Especially, when as in the case of Brexit, it's glaringly obvious. Which is why support for Brexit is dwindling. People know they were lied to.
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11/02/2021 21:02:22 8 32
bbc
Totally Agree with you I would be happy to belong to the EU but not in its current form .... maybe it will break down someday and we can all start again....
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11/02/2021 21:18:44 21 1
bbc
But you lot knew what you were voting for???
443
11/02/2021 21:25:00 1 16
bbc
Who are you indeed?
454
11/02/2021 21:27:13 35 7
bbc
But the leaders of Brexit lied about the alleged economic benefits of Brexit to persuade millions who were much less altruistic than you, tamwales. It's not your support for sovereignty that I object you, it's that the Brexit campaign never told people they would be poorer. And if they had told the truth, you would never have won the referendum.
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11/02/2021 21:47:46 12 1
bbc
That's the problem, leave voters at large probably did vote to leave the EU for reasons other than EU trade, it's just those reasons aren't typically well informed or helpful either. Immigration, etc.
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BOF
11/02/2021 22:22:47 5 0
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I just wish we did not have to pay such a high price for taking back control.
888
11/02/2021 22:28:35 6 0
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of course they had other reasons, they clearly do not understand the trade issue.
or the chaos that would follow in a fractured Europe, guess they do not read much history.
890
11/02/2021 22:28:46 2 0
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And the reasons in 3-5 simple points ?
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BOF
11/02/2021 22:31:05 3 0
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Which means you all knew in the referendum campaign that you were being told a pack of lies by the leave campaigners. I wish you had told the rest of us!
11/02/2021 23:12:04 6 1
bbc
Persistence in stupidity does not make you right
12/02/2021 00:49:26 2 0
bbc
"what makes you think leavers wanted an EU deal"

because thats what the entire vote leave campaign was based on - an easy deal
'No deal' wasnt mentioned during the referendum because even the charlatans that sold the breixit fantasy knew that wouldn't float at the time - although they have managed to since successfully convince impressionable brexiteers into thinking they wanted no deal all along
12/02/2021 09:53:18 1 0
bbc
Your right tamwales. and they really are that stupid that they would do it again
12/02/2021 10:28:10 1 0
bbc
Lets be honest most of those voted to leave because of the posters from Fromage that Indians and Pakistanis would be invading the UK, I guess most Leavers missed geography in school as those countries aren't in Europe let alone the EU - one is even a commonwealth country so they'll carry on coming Brexit or not.
12/02/2021 10:53:30 1 0
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Not sure I follow the logic. Positing that EU trade wasn't their reason for Leave; how would that exclude ever having a trade deal with EU?

We are negotiating lots of trade deals with other countries all over the world, after all, and EU is quite close, making transit distances and times short (in theory) which is useful for JIT supply chains.
12/02/2021 11:29:11 1 0
bbc
There you go moving the goalposts again. Challenge a Brexit voter on trade: "It wasn't about trade though." Challenge them on sovereignty: "It wasn't about sovereignty though." Challenge them on immigration: "It wasn't about immigration though."

Easier to nail the tide.
12/02/2021 12:38:42 0 0
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Er...LOL ?
VoR
12/02/2021 14:10:27 1 0
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Because Boris didn't campaign on No Deal. In fact, he assured us that No Deal was never likely to be an outcome. Why would he have done that if all Brexiteers wanted No Deal? Answer: He wouldn't have, and he knew they didn't.
12/02/2021 16:10:34 0 0
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Not sure if they were reasons more like they had a good excuse, their thick.
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11/02/2021 20:18:36 77 157
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Yes a third country like Canada. Maybe WTO would be better, at least we could avoid EU rules and control. Top of list would be avoid EU imports, buy third country goods and British.
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11/02/2021 20:27:54 38 5
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Even the lunatics in charge at the moment realised that WTO rules would have spelt the ruin of this Country. Stop fantasising and realise that we are now a competitor of the EU. We, or better the likes of you, saw to that.
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bcl
11/02/2021 20:24:04 365 71
bbc
Gove wants a two year 'grace period'. Thought the EU offered an extension a number of times but Gove, Johnson and all their fellow leavers refused point blank.
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11/02/2021 20:28:12 140 279
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There's a huge difference between a grace period for implementation and a delay to the Brexit negotiations. Keep up
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11/02/2021 20:41:07 69 6
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That's true. But what we really needed was a delay to Brexit negotiations.

Brexit was always going to be a dogs dinner, but pushing it through in a big rush, in the middle of a pandemic, was just nuts.
154
11/02/2021 20:43:17 39 3
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It's no good having negotitions unless the results are implemented. Otherwise it's just bluster - which Boris seems to be ever so good at.
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11/02/2021 20:50:43 41 2
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Is that a bit like having cake and eating it? You lot really are completely delusional, aren’t you?
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11/02/2021 21:39:24 27 3
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Isn't a grace period for implementation ...

Otherwise known as the "transition period"

The EU offered that several times.

I know you voted to Leave

But will you ever accept you messed up?

I doubt it.

Just another brainwashed WW2 non-participant veteran.
11/02/2021 22:57:21 7 0
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There is also a big difference between a two year extended transistion where you follow EU rules and a grace period where you don’t. The EU won’t fall for that.
11/02/2021 23:49:22 1 1
bbc
Please try to keep up !......
12/02/2021 00:09:21 3 0
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I guess the EU knew Boris was lying to the UK public about no border down the Irish Sea to add to his other 350million per week lies. That why an extension to Brexit negotiations was offered rather than a grace period which would infer no fraud...just a deal with teething issues.
12/02/2021 00:28:52 1 0
bbc
A grace period was also offerred
12/02/2021 06:52:09 5 1
bbc
Why does the UK want a "grace period" at all? The rules for shipping from GB to NI are now the same as those for shipping to the EU, and Bojo claims that those rules save businesses trouble and cost. Not only that, Bojo and Govo and Co. were telling me quite recently that goods crossing borders could easily be tracked without even slowing the flow of vehicles. It must be true. We voted for it.
12/02/2021 07:27:46 2 0
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Yes it meant that no one neither businesses nor individuals could make preparations for the end of transition because of Covid. He should have extended transition 2 years not just a grace period.
12/02/2021 08:32:53 3 1
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Not really an extension to the implementation of Brexit because we were not ready would have avoided us going back with our begging bowl because we didn't appreciate the full consequences and rushed into a deal right before an artificially created cliff drop.
12/02/2021 08:48:46 0 3
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seems 198 remainers don't understand that. Thought we were the thick ones?
12/02/2021 09:09:45 2 0
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it's all in the name
MT
12/02/2021 09:56:43 0 5
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We don't need a grace period. We need to throw out this agreement which has no sign of goodwill on the part of the EU, who want to take everything and punish the Uk for leaving. Spiteful vindictive despots. Even in their vaccine contract published against NDA they had UK as a satellite of EU without us even being told!
12/02/2021 10:45:15 3 0
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Principle is the same.
VoR
12/02/2021 14:08:23 0 0
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Apparently it is you who need to keep up, because the two offers were distinct.
12/02/2021 15:02:07 1 0
bbc
That's true. What we needed was a delay to Brexit.

Trying to negotiate something so complicated and important as Brexit in the middle of a pandemic was utter madness. As it's now proven.
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11/02/2021 20:15:04 537 123
bbc
It was the UK government's responsibility to negotiate a deal that was in the UK's interest. They can hardly blame the EU if they signed up to an agreement that is close to useless.
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11/02/2021 20:28:20 387 91
bbc
But Johnson said the deal was "fantastic".

He's never lied, reneged on deals or broken promises before so why would he start now?
404
11/02/2021 21:18:13 9 71
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Your attempted sarcasm does not work.
478
11/02/2021 21:29:40 43 7
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It is good for N.Ireland. Instead we see the Unionists trying to wreck our unique position just to grab votes. The DUP dropped from 41% to 19 % last Monday in our biggest poll. Next day they reverse on supporting the NIP. Our shelves are full, we get our parcels, Amazon & all. No one is starving, no one is disadvantaged. DUP gaslighting the GB people. They represent the minority in NI & lessening
12/02/2021 08:48:54 1 5
bbc
A lot like Blair and Corbyn then they have lied have they HAHAHA
12/02/2021 09:10:13 2 5
bbc
Oh give a rest and actually do some back ground reading before commenting and I dont mean on Twatter
12/02/2021 11:08:02 0 3
bbc
No he has not.
16
11/02/2021 20:18:36 77 157
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Yes a third country like Canada. Maybe WTO would be better, at least we could avoid EU rules and control. Top of list would be avoid EU imports, buy third country goods and British.
66
11/02/2021 20:28:28 37 3
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WTO would just exacerbate any of our current issues. Not a solution.
43
11/02/2021 20:25:15 209 46
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Let's face it folks: Johnson sold us a bum deal - and, as usual, lied about it! Still does!
67
11/02/2021 20:28:38 155 24
bbc
Johnson will not admit his fantastic deal was a blatant lie, and none of his brown noser Cabinet will admit it is the opposite of fantastic.
524
11/02/2021 21:35:00 0 13
bbc
And you will never stop complaining.
68
11/02/2021 20:28:42 362 86
bbc
Already after just 6 weeks we've been told that fishermen feel betrayed, exporters can't export, Amsterdam has taken over from London as the biggest trading centre for shares and musicians can no longer tour abroad. Oh, and the arrangements for Northern Ireland don't work.

Who still thinks it was Project Fear?
85
11/02/2021 20:31:07 78 134
bbc
I think maybe we aren't being told the good bits?
98
11/02/2021 20:33:34 20 83
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Most of the issues are the EU officials at the Border being pedantic.
There have been cases where a spelling mistake, a missed comma and even a crease in the paperwork have caused the French officials to reject na export.
The EU is being protectionist, which is why we left.
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CEP
11/02/2021 22:03:25 0 13
bbc
Please get your facts correct ... Amsterdam has not taken over from London as the biggest trading centre for shares as much as they would like you to believe it
855
11/02/2021 22:23:29 9 0
bbc
and this is just the start....
11/02/2021 23:54:18 4 1
bbc
A dwindling numeber for sure but still 25% apparently - you really can't fix stupid.
12/02/2021 08:52:01 0 3
bbc
Who thinks you still can't accept a democratic vote because you lost
12/02/2021 09:05:03 0 3
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I think project fear was:
"Immediate" economic chaos sparking "year-long recession" - Osborne
"Threat to Peace" - Cameron
"Back of the queue for trade deal" - Obama
"Indeyref2 in Scotland" - maybe, but more a threat to Scotland than the UK.
"Influence and power diminished" Yet our scientist are leading the way thru Covid.
"car manufacturers will move" - nope.
Lies on both sides remember?
MT
12/02/2021 09:58:19 0 3
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I think the UK has been betrayed...by the EU.
Better to cancel the deal completely, as at least its a level playing field on WTO terms. At present EU virtually banning all exports from UK, but happy to allow all imports to the UK. Go to WTO, 12 mile exclusion and no fishing rights for EU. They want to destroy the UK. They are now doing it to the City!
12/02/2021 10:46:49 0 2
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You know the London financial district is 75 times bigger than Amsterdam? Also exporters can export, we do it every day. Musicians can tour. As for the rest, early days yet.
12/02/2021 11:19:31 1 0
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In Northern Ireland we are very lucky,most businesses are happy with the protocol ??
Gove is a perfect example of everything a politician should not be. Shameless, lying comes so easy to him and when his lies are put to him he has no shame whatsoever. A horrible human being. Removed
He is using exaggerated politeness to hide his true character - I agree: a despicable little man. Removed
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11/02/2021 20:23:59 304 86
bbc
I don't think a Brexit success is a 2 way street. More of a cul de sac with just us in it muttering something about sovereignty and blue passports
Had your jab yet? Just as well you're not in your beloved EU. Removed
94
11/02/2021 20:33:02 33 10
bbc
Vaccine roll out for kwitters is like getting laid for the first time is for a 40 year old virgin.
107
11/02/2021 20:35:07 35 2
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Lucky Oscar Wilde is dead or he'd be out of a job.
127
11/02/2021 20:38:38 50 8
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So crowing about a vaccine for a pandemic that did not exist when the vote was taken,
134
11/02/2021 20:39:40 51 5
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As we've got one of the highest Covid death rates in the world, it's a good job our govt is on top of the vaccination program.

I guess they had to get something right, eventually.
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11/02/2021 20:44:42 38 6
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But they don't have such a poor death rate as us do they!
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11/02/2021 20:44:59 39 4
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At least most of the EU countires have nowhere near the death rate per capita that the UK has so far.
358
11/02/2021 21:11:33 20 2
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Come on, change the record, you're becoming boring now!!
768
11/02/2021 22:14:10 16 0
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Don't forget our wonderful blue passports are going to be produced by European countries, wonderful.
810
11/02/2021 22:18:53 10 2
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You KNOW that those vaccine contracts and regulatory processes were signed WHILE WE WERE IN THE EU.

You know it.

We know it.

But you won't let facts stop you spouting rubbish. After all, if you started acknowledging them, you'd have to face the facts that your whole campaign i was based on lies and fantasies.

And you swallowed them ..YUM YUM!
11/02/2021 22:59:18 6 1
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I'm sure brexit was all about pandemic vaccination.
11/02/2021 23:00:10 3 0
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Mind you don’t meet up with Zulu variant - you jab won’t be much good then.
11/02/2021 23:51:15 1 1
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Ye Godz - Is that all you got ?! The EU van will be Top of the range !
12/02/2021 03:12:48 3 1
bbc
Do you mean the successful German jab, or the failing Oxford one?
12/02/2021 06:23:57 3 0
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@bpmkent how many in UK are still catching it ??
How many fatalities per day ?? And your fatalities figures are abridged with the 28 day limit .... How is your economy doing, compared to EU ??
12/02/2021 06:32:12 2 0
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Was It DM or the Sun who made you believe this vaccine superiority? Many of my Dutch, Polish and French friends in their 70s have already been vaccinated in their countries.
Your name wouldn't be Dick... Would it? Removed
12/02/2021 07:29:17 1 0
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Jab but no job
con
12/02/2021 07:47:05 0 0
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People are talking about the success of a trade deal not about the success of buying vaccines. You do understand that they are in no way liked? Ones a health issue the other economy related.....
12/02/2021 08:40:08 1 1
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More chance of being alive in the EU though.
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11/02/2021 20:18:36 77 157
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Yes a third country like Canada. Maybe WTO would be better, at least we could avoid EU rules and control. Top of list would be avoid EU imports, buy third country goods and British.
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11/02/2021 20:29:06 18 1
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Top of YOUR list possibly.... some of us have other priorities...
Gove is a perfect example of everything a politician should not be. Shameless, lying comes so easy to him and when his lies are put to him he has no shame whatsoever. A horrible human being. Removed
72
11/02/2021 20:29:17 0 1
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and you think politicians in EU are any different? I lost faith in all politicians a long time ago!
73
11/02/2021 20:29:34 226 52
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A polished Brexit turd, is still a turd.
And a polished Remoaner is still a whinger. Removed
12/02/2021 04:30:45 0 0
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Been said before ??
12/02/2021 08:57:37 3 0
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And an offensive turd is still an offensive turd
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bcl
11/02/2021 20:24:04 365 71
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Gove wants a two year 'grace period'. Thought the EU offered an extension a number of times but Gove, Johnson and all their fellow leavers refused point blank.
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11/02/2021 20:29:37 8 57
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You don’t mention all the EXTRA conditions that the EU wants in exchange for a ‘protectionist’ extension......
12/02/2021 16:57:02 0 0
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Yes Gove wanted a “cake and eat it grace period” because the U.K. is special...
75
11/02/2021 20:29:49 19 6
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Obvious the Christmas eve trade agreement was a sticking plaster that both sides knew was necessary but through gritted teeth.

Hence a lack of goodwill in easing into a workable arrangement and a desire to find workarounds.

No point in putting a bandage on your limb when it needs amputating.

Of course for many the best thing would have been to avoid the injury in the first place
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11/02/2021 20:27:47 17 18
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The EU remains in the Resistance stage of the denial curve as they still don't accept that the UK voted to leave the EU and they are determined to do whatever they can to ensure that the process remains as difficult as possible - this is entirely predictable

For sure I miss the free movement and single market but do I want to be governed by the unelected Ursula and her fellow eurocrats?
76
11/02/2021 20:29:51 13 10
bbc
Governed? That never happened and couldn't happen. You just made it up.
61
11/02/2021 20:27:47 17 18
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The EU remains in the Resistance stage of the denial curve as they still don't accept that the UK voted to leave the EU and they are determined to do whatever they can to ensure that the process remains as difficult as possible - this is entirely predictable

For sure I miss the free movement and single market but do I want to be governed by the unelected Ursula and her fellow eurocrats?
77
11/02/2021 20:30:04 8 2
bbc
Eh??????? I think it is the UK that is throwing toys out of the pram, not the EU.....
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11/02/2021 20:19:14 20 18
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Post-Brexit trade deal success is 'two-way street', says EU...Thus far everything has been on terms dictated by the EU. Their interpretation of fair is to implement article 16 at will without any consultation. Thus far red tape and bureaucracy has had a huge impact on our ability to export meat, fish and produce. It looks like we are going to have a trade war.
78
11/02/2021 20:30:09 4 0
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Boris and his MPs cheered the deal as being the best ever.

Did they not read what they signed?
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11/02/2021 20:14:44 438 118
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Typical of bojo and co this is, sign the deal without knowing the details
Now trying to blame the EU to cover up their failures
Completely incompetent
79
11/02/2021 20:30:30 21 89
bbc
Had your jab yet? Just as well you're not in your beloved EU.
131
11/02/2021 20:39:34 94 9
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Interesting that the government doesn't always say the "NHS vaccine rollout" even though it's done by the NHS but always say "NHS Test & Trace" even though it's not done by the NHS.

It's almost as if they're trying to deceive us

As usual you're being duped by the biggest lie ever
213
11/02/2021 20:50:40 44 4
bbc
That's the Daily Mail line.

We started vaccinating while still in the transition period and under EU rules.
In fact if we had been out of the EU rules, our regulators would not have had
the bandwidth to approve the vaccines.

read about it in the British medical journal:

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4759
Phi
11/02/2021 23:34:37 7 0
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Hard choice, 121,000 deaths, worst death rate in the world or having less vaccines?

If Brexiters were a football team, they would celebrate the new gloves the goalkeeper has got & a sign of success despite letting in 121 goals and being bottom of the league!
37
11/02/2021 20:24:06 13 1
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Irrelevant. Brexit isn't just about the next few months.
80
11/02/2021 20:30:38 4 17
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Not irrelevant. If the EU can’t vaccinate its citizens going forward in a timely fashion without clocking it up, it’s failed in its primary task.
81
11/02/2021 20:30:39 11 6
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I don’t believe much of what the EU or U.K. Gov say. They both agreed what to do with the boarder. The EU decided to use it and blame, or use the U.K. as a scapegoat for the vaccine issue.

Why should we trust these people. They didn’t put the people of N Ireland first. It was all about winning the Brexit arguments. IMO
237
11/02/2021 20:53:10 4 2
bbc
No dear, this is just the reality of Major Disaster and the Slithy Gove's incompetence and fantasies. Better get used to it. We are ALWAYS going to be the smaller party in negotiations now. What was that you said about taking back control?
16
11/02/2021 20:18:36 77 157
bbc
Yes a third country like Canada. Maybe WTO would be better, at least we could avoid EU rules and control. Top of list would be avoid EU imports, buy third country goods and British.
82
11/02/2021 20:30:44 32 2
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With WTO our goods would not only need to follow the EU rules, have the paperwork, but would also be subject to tariffs and limits in amount exportable. How would that be better?
12/02/2021 09:35:17 0 0
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I think Hope was assuming we would.not need EU market place. at all
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11/02/2021 20:24:50 7 22
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The EU is a cumbersome bureaucratic process driven behemoth. It is why we left. It is why we have a massively successful vaccination programme and the EU is raking over the ashes of its failed joint cooperative programme. Short hand for useless and inefficient. Many Europeans will die needlessly as a result of their incompetence. So glad we're out of it.
83
11/02/2021 20:30:49 3 0
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You forgot to mention that we have the highest death rate in Europe.
41
11/02/2021 20:24:50 7 22
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The EU is a cumbersome bureaucratic process driven behemoth. It is why we left. It is why we have a massively successful vaccination programme and the EU is raking over the ashes of its failed joint cooperative programme. Short hand for useless and inefficient. Many Europeans will die needlessly as a result of their incompetence. So glad we're out of it.
84
11/02/2021 20:30:55 2 1
bbc
Nothing like a little Schadenfreude, eh - but I expect you'll have to look that up. Shame all you Lemoaners still can't get over your pyrrhic victory, and business is now realising what a bum deal Major Disaster and his chums negotiated.??
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11/02/2021 20:28:42 362 86
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Already after just 6 weeks we've been told that fishermen feel betrayed, exporters can't export, Amsterdam has taken over from London as the biggest trading centre for shares and musicians can no longer tour abroad. Oh, and the arrangements for Northern Ireland don't work.

Who still thinks it was Project Fear?
85
11/02/2021 20:31:07 78 134
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I think maybe we aren't being told the good bits?
104
11/02/2021 20:34:21 66 14
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That's because there aren't any.
165
11/02/2021 20:44:39 52 6
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That's because there aren't any.
244
11/02/2021 20:54:02 59 7
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There are no good bits??
258
11/02/2021 20:55:54 53 8
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We would be if there were any don't worry. The trouble is: There aren't any.

We would have swapped fewer deaths for worse rollout of vaccines (the EU made the same mistake with that as the UK made with testing) but that's about it. Every bit of Project Fear is coming true.
278
11/02/2021 20:59:09 48 3
bbc
Ah yes, the Japanese Stilton cheese deal.
688
11/02/2021 22:00:58 15 1
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No "Opportunities" zilch, no good things, F all
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11/02/2021 22:10:23 8 0
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Please enlighten us...
820
11/02/2021 22:20:03 9 0
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Go on... tell us. TELL US! Oh yeah....nothing.
859
11/02/2021 22:23:59 10 0
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are there any?, still waiting for the list.....
11/02/2021 22:59:33 5 0
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Such as?
11/02/2021 23:21:11 5 0
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there are none.
11/02/2021 23:37:00 5 0
bbc
Oh I can't believe old Boris would hold back on the good bits
All he wants is to be *LIKED*
{bless}
12/02/2021 00:20:03 6 1
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What good bits? That we can finally have blue passports again? (even though they are now made in Poland)

Or maybe you mean we can control our borders? (As in, leave them wide open for every Tom, Dick, and Harriet with various strains of coronavirus to just walk right in)
12/02/2021 00:33:35 6 2
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You don't need to be told the good bits. Sovereignty literally jumps up on my bed every morning, waking me from dreams of chasing hard-working Polish and Romanians into the sea. I get out of bed and kiss my Nigel Farage poster, which winks at me, and then it's off to the kitchen for my favourite meal of the day, Breakfast. Breakfast means breakfast old spud.
12/02/2021 06:13:45 0 5
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You won't be. Not by the BBC at least.
12/02/2021 06:35:42 3 0
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Which are?
12/02/2021 09:18:15 1 4
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Such as 62 new trade deals, which will bear fruit in time but not this week.
12/02/2021 09:22:26 3 0
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Read the Daily Express if you want 'good' news.
12/02/2021 10:16:22 4 0
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"I think maybe we aren't being told the good bits?"

Well Tam, now's the time to start... off you go!

Got nothing.... thought so! :)
Jon
12/02/2021 10:16:58 2 0
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The good bits. So what are they?
12/02/2021 10:44:31 2 0
bbc
That's because there aren't any!
12/02/2021 10:46:18 2 0
bbc
Good bit - the world is still turning?
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11/02/2021 20:10:01 137 49
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We wanted our freedom. Welcome to the world of a third Country. Wonder if Bozo wakes up at night in a cold sweat wondering what the heck was he thinking...
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11/02/2021 20:31:08 2 30
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Had your jab yet? Just as well you're not in your beloved EU.
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11/02/2021 20:34:01 24 0
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No I haven't. Too young. I guess you were top of the list.
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11/02/2021 20:26:44 163 55
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As predicted by everyone with sense, brexit has destroyed the U.K. and isn’t ever going to be “done”. More cap in hand begging to try and polish a turd.

Still those scweaming the loudest will claim it’s exactly what they voted for, and food shortages, a weak pound, a useless passport and mass unemployment are worth paying for “sovrinty”
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11/02/2021 20:31:17 68 151
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Exactly the kind of patronising totally inaccurate attitude that permeates certain sections of the population and characterises some remainers. Can’t see past the end of their own noses and yet accuse the other side of being short sighted.
111
11/02/2021 20:35:44 28 6
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Or 'patronising remoaners' can see that it's a complete shambles.
653
11/02/2021 21:55:42 28 2
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What exactly can't remainers see lally? They were right, Project Fear was in fact Project Fact; 99% of what they predicted has come true. It's hard to see how that makes them the ones that can't see when Brexiteers are still in full on denial mode. You refusing to accept reality doesn't make the other folks short sighted.
771
11/02/2021 22:14:58 25 2
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So let us know what the advantages are and people won't be moaning!
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11/02/2021 22:31:46 20 2
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ok, can you give us perhaps just five positive advantages to the whole of the UK for leaving the EU?, how far have you looked beyond the nose?
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11/02/2021 22:38:00 21 2
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Come on Lally, tell us what's good about it. Tell us!

You can't can you (cos it was always a pack of lies)

They actually paraded an obvious and provable lie around the country knowing you people wouldn't spot it or care. (We NEVER sent £350m a week to EU, never...NEVER!)

It's beyond irony. They actually ADVERTISED the fact they were liars ON A BUS and you STILL couldn't see it for what it is.
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11/02/2021 22:40:56 25 3
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In forty years' time when those of use who survive are grubbing up roots with a pointed stick for lunch, brexiteers will still be finding ways to blame the situation on 'remoaners'.
12/02/2021 06:41:18 4 0
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The upside being?
con
12/02/2021 07:52:11 6 0
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Please highlight the sussces of Brexit.... And no the vaccination isn't one it's nothing to do with Brexit. I'm a reasonable person so please let us know what it has achieved for the betterment of the country and the people in it....
12/02/2021 09:25:21 1 0
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Your comment totally support s JN's assertion.so hilarious
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11/02/2021 20:14:44 438 118
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Typical of bojo and co this is, sign the deal without knowing the details
Now trying to blame the EU to cover up their failures
Completely incompetent
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11/02/2021 20:31:51 24 47
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But it was the EU trying to use it for their failed vaccine roll out. Don’t they need to take responsibility as well?
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11/02/2021 20:26:44 163 55
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As predicted by everyone with sense, brexit has destroyed the U.K. and isn’t ever going to be “done”. More cap in hand begging to try and polish a turd.

Still those scweaming the loudest will claim it’s exactly what they voted for, and food shortages, a weak pound, a useless passport and mass unemployment are worth paying for “sovrinty”
89
11/02/2021 20:31:59 8 30
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You’re basing that decision on how many weeks....? And your use of some perceived “common man” language shows how detached you are from your chattering class dinner parties and the real.
38
11/02/2021 20:24:20 12 18
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Great... Another Brexit HYS... another chance for remoaners to spew out more repetitive bile.
90
11/02/2021 20:32:14 5 1
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Translated: Can the BBC please stop reporting the obvious flaws in Johnson's Berxit deal....?
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11/02/2021 20:27:51 106 168
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what makes you think leavers wanted an EU deal. Those I know voted leave - would do it again in a heartbeat - this should suggest to you that they had reasons other than EU trade for their vote? Who are we to say they are wrong?
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11/02/2021 20:32:47 54 9
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Yes and we know the biggest reason even though most claim otherwise.
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11/02/2021 21:30:46 0 6
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I dont
me
12/02/2021 00:43:44 0 1
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?
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11/02/2021 20:24:05 205 77
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The fundamental problem is that Brexit was a stupid idea, still is a stupid idea, and always will be a stupid idea.

Until the proponents of Brexit admit they were mistaken, we're unlikely to make any progress.
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11/02/2021 20:32:54 125 40
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Not sure anyone keen on Berxit is interested in progress, frankly....
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11/02/2021 21:38:38 6 19
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Not sure Remoaners will ever stop hoping for disaster, frankly...
93
11/02/2021 20:32:55 12 7
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NI Protocol = Brexit. They can not be separated.

It was the easiest deal ever.
No one was talking about leaving the single market.

How this government has managed to completely mess up the easiest deal in history giving us this turmoil instead of the sunlit uplands is beyond belief.
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11/02/2021 20:43:28 4 1
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The EU would not split FOM from the SM - and the UK electorate clearly voted against FOM.
Had your jab yet? Just as well you're not in your beloved EU. Removed
94
11/02/2021 20:33:02 33 10
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Vaccine roll out for kwitters is like getting laid for the first time is for a 40 year old virgin.
55
11/02/2021 20:27:04 8 14
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Who are these unelected EU idiots - just go to no deal and if the EU want a boarder on the island of Ireland let them do it.
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bcl
11/02/2021 20:33:15 2 1
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Thought it was Johnson who wanted a border in the Irish Sea, but you want tariffs as well as all these other problems.
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11/02/2021 20:26:07 172 264
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But Boris’ crew secured vaccines... I know where i’d rather be.
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11/02/2021 20:33:24 105 14
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That was the one thing in the last year they left to experts
One success does not cover up the countless failures, ppe, testing, borders, test and trace etc etc
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11/02/2021 20:41:05 11 49
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Obviously you could have done better! Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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11/02/2021 21:09:58 7 31
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People like you are obsessed with negative thinking about the UK. Maybe it's because the Conservatives are in office and you cannot stand any UK successes in that context? Ultimately, I suspect that your negativity is driven by a frustrated desire to see the Labour Party in power.
12/02/2021 08:36:47 0 3
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oh I see when smething good happens - other people - bad happens - boooo Boris, rather childish approach
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11/02/2021 20:27:47 17 18
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The EU remains in the Resistance stage of the denial curve as they still don't accept that the UK voted to leave the EU and they are determined to do whatever they can to ensure that the process remains as difficult as possible - this is entirely predictable

For sure I miss the free movement and single market but do I want to be governed by the unelected Ursula and her fellow eurocrats?
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11/02/2021 20:33:26 7 1
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Unelected eurocrats.. like the pompous blowhard Farage you mean? The one who was fisheries minister for the UK.. and attended one out of 42 fisheries meetings. Well it's ok cos UK fishing is prospering now isn't it? Oh...
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11/02/2021 20:28:42 362 86
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Already after just 6 weeks we've been told that fishermen feel betrayed, exporters can't export, Amsterdam has taken over from London as the biggest trading centre for shares and musicians can no longer tour abroad. Oh, and the arrangements for Northern Ireland don't work.

Who still thinks it was Project Fear?
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11/02/2021 20:33:34 20 83
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Most of the issues are the EU officials at the Border being pedantic.
There have been cases where a spelling mistake, a missed comma and even a crease in the paperwork have caused the French officials to reject na export.
The EU is being protectionist, which is why we left.
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11/02/2021 20:36:13 62 11
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Rubbish. You're making it up.
125
11/02/2021 20:38:35 66 9
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None of this has happened. It’s 71 pages of red tape to export anything. It’s not the Eu being pedantic
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11/02/2021 20:55:14 43 4
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But weren't we taking back control? And what would you know about the details???
369
11/02/2021 21:12:39 29 5
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On the nightshift ? I hope you're getting good overtime rates from CPCO to come up with this drivel.
12/02/2021 00:33:52 2 0
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GB are just as bad. I’ve a business parcel from Germany heading to us in NI that unfortunately is transiting via GB. It’s been with customs for days. NI supposed to have frictionless trade with GB and EU, it’s not happened once since brexit. It doesn’t exist, both sides equally pedantic!!
12/02/2021 09:05:38 0 2
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we should return the favour.
12/02/2021 09:45:11 3 0
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But, but, I thought the UK 'Leave' lobby wanted to be MORE protectionist as I thought Leave meant sovereignty, stronger border control of immigration, control of everything that the EU meddled in. Hardly liberalisations.
12/02/2021 10:20:28 0 1
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I don't think you've filled in anything in the UK, even the wrong colour pen gets a form rejected
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11/02/2021 20:33:35 7 8
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What the EU is really saying here is: this is a problem created by the UK government and it is their responsibility to resolve it. Don't blame us.
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11/02/2021 20:52:50 2 2
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And that's a fact
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11/02/2021 20:26:07 172 264
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But Boris’ crew secured vaccines... I know where i’d rather be.
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11/02/2021 20:33:44 119 18
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Completely irrelevant whatabboutery given we were still in the EU single market when all the vaccine decisions and deals were made.

The subject is the awful deal Boris negotiated and the huge damage he has pointlessly inflicted on the UK.
11/02/2021 23:07:38 5 0
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Starmer may be Hindsight but Boris is Major Disaster.