Year-long routine surgery waits 'worst since 2008' in England
11/02/2021 | news | health | 223
In January, hospitals in England treated nearly a third of all Covid patients since the pandemic began.
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11/02/2021 16:30:11 13 19
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As an institution, the NHS only really cares about Covid
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11/02/2021 16:46:15 14 4
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So why are they still treating cancer patients like my relative in hospital now?
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11/02/2021 16:34:26 86 25
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The NHS morphed into the National COVID Response Service back in early April 2020. I think it is disgusting how anything that is not COVID has been ignored. Many people will die as a reault of this.
Tell me how can it treat anything else if the staff are sick and the beds full of covid-19 patients?

Despite idiots like you who seem to think that nothing is happening they're treating more patients than ever, including my elderly relative with cancer.
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11/02/2021 20:07:05 6 4
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Not true. I had an MRI scan today
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11/02/2021 20:31:16 12 1
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Unfortunately only COVID deaths matter these days. The rest don't get daily numbers published on the BBC so are unimportant - not worth tweeting about with faux outrage.
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11/02/2021 20:56:38 7 1
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Absolutely. What happens next? The NHS we "protected" will instead be bowled over by the crushing wave of everything else catching up and restarting once COVID is firmly dealt with (and IF it's firmly dealt with).

Shall we lock down again and tell cancer patients and people needing new hips to stay at home, just to take the strain off the NHS?
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11/02/2021 22:05:46 1 1
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What did you expect?
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11/02/2021 22:13:13 1 0
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Lets chuck cancer patients in with the covid infected, that'll turn out well.
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11/02/2021 22:27:58 1 0
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The NHS are obliged to treat those at greatest risk of death as a priority. If they turns out to be Covid patients, then so be it. All the more reason to get infection rates down, protect the vulnerable and get vaccinated, to free up NHS resources.
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12/02/2021 06:45:50 0 0
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100% accurate.
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11/02/2021 16:37:04 54 11
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Needs a massive, drastic reform. It is no longer Attlee's England / UK when he turned his dream into reality. To serve the masses. Front line workers are ok but the waste, overpaid, doing nothing management, micky mouse contractors are not. Making NHS a bottomless pit. 83 bln pounds, 2/3 of the annual budget set aside for negligence claims. 4 bln pounds for legal fees. Says it all really.
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11/02/2021 19:24:13 9 10
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And to make it even more impossible to manage they want to integrate the NHS with the care sector
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11/02/2021 22:06:23 1 1
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Spot on comment!
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mja
11/02/2021 22:10:37 2 0
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Complete rubbish!! you don't have a clue what you are talking about. It's easy to blame management, but it is the Tories that are truing to make the NHS profit making for the various cronies supplying the NHS with services and equipment
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11/02/2021 22:14:21 1 0
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The NHS costs 1/3 of health care in the USA, and is far cheaper than France or Germany. Where is this unfounded myth that we overspend coming from?
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12/02/2021 11:22:46 0 0
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"2/3 of the annual budget set aside for negligence claims."

Do you have any evidence for that, or has it come from that place where the sun doesn't shine?

On your figures, that would be nearly 55 billion pounds...
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11/02/2021 16:37:21 13 10
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Wow Sherlock who would have guessed
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11/02/2021 16:43:05 7 6
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I suspect the numbers waiting will get worse and boost the Covid figures nicely again.
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11/02/2021 16:48:29 9 11
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You can count on that with covid idiots out there, breaking the rules, infecting those around them and undermining the roll out of vaccination.
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11/02/2021 16:34:26 86 25
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The NHS morphed into the National COVID Response Service back in early April 2020. I think it is disgusting how anything that is not COVID has been ignored. Many people will die as a reault of this.
Tell me how can it treat anything else if the staff are sick and the beds full of covid-19 patients?

Despite idiots like you who seem to think that nothing is happening they're treating more patients than ever, including my elderly relative with cancer.
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11/02/2021 16:51:07 11 8
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Remember the empty nightingale hospitals? Use those for the COVID patients. Then staff them with the bountiful agency staff, it appears cost has not been an issue over the last year. That gives you general capacity in other areas. And I find it odd that specialist diagnostic facilities have been abandoned. Do we really need to PET scan a COVID patient, Outpatients have been empty too.
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11/02/2021 16:52:32 5 3
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Are you saying that resources have not been diverted to make the Government's response to Covid look better?
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11/02/2021 16:30:11 13 19
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As an institution, the NHS only really cares about Covid
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11/02/2021 16:46:15 14 4
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So why are they still treating cancer patients like my relative in hospital now?
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11/02/2021 16:46:30 37 0
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I would think that many routine medical treatments have been delayed in lots of countries around the world because of covid.

It’s heartbreaking for anyone who is caught up in such a situation caused by this virus.
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BD
11/02/2021 16:57:44 12 1
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Thank you, I am so glad that you, 'Did Someone Say Something', said something so sensible.
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11/02/2021 20:46:39 0 1
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And worth remembering how many of those now make up 'covid' deaths, after they couldn't avoid hospital anymore.
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11/02/2021 21:38:08 1 0
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Well high covid rates are result of ukgovs decisions.
Taiwan, singapore, ozz, nz, S Korea, Japan.. island states closed borders march. Less covid, deaths, lockdowns or economic damage. S Korea calls covid emergency at just 1000 covid+ cases a day. Ukgov not had less than 4,000 covid+ since mid Sept.
You can see interactive graphs online Google 'UK covid' or different country.
Taiwan just 9 deaths.
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11/02/2021 21:51:47 0 0
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Oh.. I also put up idea that those due elective surgery.. Got priority in covid vac scheme and dosed inside 1 month. If NHS staff also all covid jabbed.. It might (?) allow NHS non covid work to proceed.
If that doesn't happen oaps, the sick will just have to wait longer and longer until covid sorted in UK.
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11/02/2021 16:46:52 20 16
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No surprise here, this Government has managed to turn the NHS into a one trick pony!
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11/02/2021 21:42:33 5 2
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What I am surprised at, is how they're getting away with using smoke and mirrors to conceal what is really going on with covid19
People are clearly dying, but why are so many relatives of the deceased complaining that covid was put down as the primary cause when apparently it was not.
PCR Tests are a nonsense, but no one seems interested in challenging Hancock with probing questions
I could go on
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11/02/2021 16:43:05 7 6
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I suspect the numbers waiting will get worse and boost the Covid figures nicely again.
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11/02/2021 16:48:29 9 11
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You can count on that with covid idiots out there, breaking the rules, infecting those around them and undermining the roll out of vaccination.
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11/02/2021 16:58:27 5 1
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Covidiots are the least of our problems. The NHS is on its knees because of Tory cuts.
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11/02/2021 16:48:44 6 12
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Watch out for the tissue of Tory lies.

I've been waiting for surgery for over 5 years! Still nothing. GP reapplied on my behalf because nothing was being done - the standard NHS central blocking system is still working. Even tried going private - which is being blocked by the NHS- and in the EU (while that was still possible). The NHS runs a killing machine of institutionalist obstruction!
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11/02/2021 16:49:27 15 3
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Been awaiting for surgery for over 12 months. I have recently been contacted by my Hospital to request my permission to have my op at a local private hospital instead (NHS pays).
Tell me how can it treat anything else if the staff are sick and the beds full of covid-19 patients?

Despite idiots like you who seem to think that nothing is happening they're treating more patients than ever, including my elderly relative with cancer.
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pTc
11/02/2021 16:51:07 11 8
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Remember the empty nightingale hospitals? Use those for the COVID patients. Then staff them with the bountiful agency staff, it appears cost has not been an issue over the last year. That gives you general capacity in other areas. And I find it odd that specialist diagnostic facilities have been abandoned. Do we really need to PET scan a COVID patient, Outpatients have been empty too.
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11/02/2021 22:38:26 1 0
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Do you know what PET -CT is? And its usefulness in COVID 19? Are you a PET-CT Radiologist. No, didn't think so.
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11/02/2021 16:51:55 1 4
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People lie, numbers don't, sort it out
Tell me how can it treat anything else if the staff are sick and the beds full of covid-19 patients?

Despite idiots like you who seem to think that nothing is happening they're treating more patients than ever, including my elderly relative with cancer.
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11/02/2021 16:52:32 5 3
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Are you saying that resources have not been diverted to make the Government's response to Covid look better?
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11/02/2021 16:48:11 15 9
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As I was being rolled out of theatre, after a hernia operation in September, which I went privately for and waited about 2 weeks for, I asked how long I'd have probably have had to wait if I'd gone NHS. The reply was about 2 years.

Of course, like me, the instigators of these lockdowns can pay to avoid having to wait themselves.
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11/02/2021 21:22:25 1 0
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If they can afford it
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11/02/2021 16:46:30 37 0
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I would think that many routine medical treatments have been delayed in lots of countries around the world because of covid.

It’s heartbreaking for anyone who is caught up in such a situation caused by this virus.
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BD
11/02/2021 16:57:44 12 1
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Thank you, I am so glad that you, 'Did Someone Say Something', said something so sensible.
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11/02/2021 22:17:51 0 0
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Do we know haw other countries managed non Covid cases?
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11/02/2021 16:48:29 9 11
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You can count on that with covid idiots out there, breaking the rules, infecting those around them and undermining the roll out of vaccination.
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11/02/2021 16:58:27 5 1
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Covidiots are the least of our problems. The NHS is on its knees because of Tory cuts.
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11/02/2021 20:09:50 1 2
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The NHS has had more funding from the present Government than ever before. Fact.
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11/02/2021 17:02:15 10 8
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Its like reading the daily mail ths HYS
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11/02/2021 20:10:18 6 3
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It;s not, it;s overrun with lockdown lovers.
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11/02/2021 16:37:04 54 11
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Needs a massive, drastic reform. It is no longer Attlee's England / UK when he turned his dream into reality. To serve the masses. Front line workers are ok but the waste, overpaid, doing nothing management, micky mouse contractors are not. Making NHS a bottomless pit. 83 bln pounds, 2/3 of the annual budget set aside for negligence claims. 4 bln pounds for legal fees. Says it all really.
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11/02/2021 19:24:13 9 10
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And to make it even more impossible to manage they want to integrate the NHS with the care sector
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11/02/2021 20:03:35 13 13
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We need new laws to ban private healthcare in this country!

THEN they would get the NHS at full strength if the shysters making the cut backs had to use it too!
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11/02/2021 21:14:45 6 1
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If you ended private healthcare the millions of people who use it would have to use the NHS instead. It's already struggling without adding petrol to the fire.
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11/02/2021 22:19:36 0 0
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What a load of sxxx!!
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11/02/2021 20:05:16 12 11
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Unfair to blame this on the Govt whilst the whole world is dealing with the Pandemic, whereas back in 2008 there was no excuse
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11/02/2021 20:09:22 2 0
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Non was needed .... examine this graph on this page

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/general-election-2010/waiting-times
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11/02/2021 20:11:12 2 1
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Blame China, it's their virus!
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11/02/2021 16:34:26 86 25
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The NHS morphed into the National COVID Response Service back in early April 2020. I think it is disgusting how anything that is not COVID has been ignored. Many people will die as a reault of this.
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11/02/2021 20:07:05 6 4
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Not true. I had an MRI scan today
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11/02/2021 20:58:45 0 0
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Yes, I had an offer of an ultrasound scan on 28th December but had in 8th January as I could not make the first. Then I has a MRI scan on 27th and have been given a referral for first consultation on 9th April. It is still working. But there has been spare capacity due to services being closed to manage Covid (Significantly more last time than this).
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12/02/2021 06:48:54 0 0
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He is talking in general Jack, Ive been seen on an urgent matter like you. But another semi urgent matter due last March is nowhere in sight.
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11/02/2021 20:05:16 12 11
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Unfair to blame this on the Govt whilst the whole world is dealing with the Pandemic, whereas back in 2008 there was no excuse
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11/02/2021 20:09:22 2 0
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Non was needed .... examine this graph on this page

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/general-election-2010/waiting-times
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11/02/2021 16:58:27 5 1
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Covidiots are the least of our problems. The NHS is on its knees because of Tory cuts.
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11/02/2021 20:09:50 1 2
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The NHS has had more funding from the present Government than ever before. Fact.
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11/02/2021 17:02:15 10 8
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Its like reading the daily mail ths HYS
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11/02/2021 20:10:18 6 3
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It;s not, it;s overrun with lockdown lovers.
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11/02/2021 20:05:16 12 11
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Unfair to blame this on the Govt whilst the whole world is dealing with the Pandemic, whereas back in 2008 there was no excuse
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11/02/2021 20:11:12 2 1
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Blame China, it's their virus!
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11/02/2021 20:11:56 41 5
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As one of the people who have suffered - awaiting my prostate cancer operation. Hopefully for next week now I can tell you if you’re the patient it’s worrying! Covid was and still is the least of my worries.
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11/02/2021 20:19:36 12 1
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Hope your op goes well, I had mine done in 2018 with the Da Vinci robot, was back playing football (at vets level) 6 weeks later.
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11/02/2021 20:13:34 26 4
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Why are the Covid patients not being treated in these new Covid hospitals that the tax payer paid Billions for?
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11/02/2021 20:19:26 16 2
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Errr because they still need staff
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11/02/2021 20:30:27 5 3
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Because only COVID deaths matter these days. The rest don't get daily numbers published on the BBC so are unimportant - not worth tweeting about with faux outrage.
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11/02/2021 20:36:54 1 1
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Because the auditors are trying to find the billions you suggest has been spent on them?
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11/02/2021 21:36:31 3 0
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Because they're just sports halls with beds in them.
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11/02/2021 22:16:09 1 0
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Because more hospital space doesn’t necessarily equal more healthcare workers suddenly available. That’s why it would be a shame if U.K. accidentally looked like an unwelcoming or unattractive place for foreign skilled health workers to come and work in.
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11/02/2021 20:15:14 4 5
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We have a pandemic and our NHS resources are on the limit in caring for seriously ill Covid patients. Resources have been reallocated to cope with the crisis. That said everyone that is ill with a particular condition is being vetted and prioritised. I don't think its fair to blame the Government. That said the private sector needs to step up and assist the NHS as the have the resources.
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11/02/2021 20:15:45 11 4
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What happened in 2008 to cause an routine operations backlog worse than one during a global pandemic?
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11/02/2021 20:17:23 2 7
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Are you the brains of this outfit?
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11/02/2021 20:35:15 2 1
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I must admit, I'd forgotten about Labour. It has been such a long time since they had their donnies on the tiller.
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11/02/2021 20:15:50 36 4
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The NHS requires fundamental change. It matters little how much money you pour down its throat because it still runs on principles set out in 1946. The care and professionalism are second to none, but it's organisation is not fit for the 21st Century. It needs proper reform, not used as a political football. Until then no matter how many billions you give it it will make little difference.
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11/02/2021 20:16:54 5 9
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God Bless the NHS
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11/02/2021 20:17:06 6 7
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And this is a suprise why.... Whilst it's not good at all at least they are still alive........ Harsh but true
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11/02/2021 20:20:21 9 0
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I wish I could say the same when and if you get cancer
"Cheer up, at least you're still alive. Harsh but true"

But that would mean I'd be a c_____
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11/02/2021 20:15:45 11 4
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What happened in 2008 to cause an routine operations backlog worse than one during a global pandemic?
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11/02/2021 20:17:23 2 7
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Are you the brains of this outfit?
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11/02/2021 20:19:18 7 6
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Privatization just round the corner
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11/02/2021 20:13:34 26 4
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Why are the Covid patients not being treated in these new Covid hospitals that the tax payer paid Billions for?
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11/02/2021 20:19:26 16 2
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Errr because they still need staff
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11/02/2021 20:23:27 2 1
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Are there really no staff?

Why am I not surprised?
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11/02/2021 20:11:56 41 5
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As one of the people who have suffered - awaiting my prostate cancer operation. Hopefully for next week now I can tell you if you’re the patient it’s worrying! Covid was and still is the least of my worries.
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11/02/2021 20:19:36 12 1
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Hope your op goes well, I had mine done in 2018 with the Da Vinci robot, was back playing football (at vets level) 6 weeks later.
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11/02/2021 22:29:46 1 0
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Thanks it’s my second op - they missed a bit, love to know why someone needs to mark me down? Just heard 6 in 10 of those who have died were disabled people.
Surely that, in its own right shows that to give those who need to isolate the opportunity and safeguard them would have been the right way to go rather than any lockdown that has just caused more issues for more people!
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11/02/2021 20:17:06 6 7
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And this is a suprise why.... Whilst it's not good at all at least they are still alive........ Harsh but true
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11/02/2021 20:20:21 9 0
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I wish I could say the same when and if you get cancer
"Cheer up, at least you're still alive. Harsh but true"

But that would mean I'd be a c_____
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11/02/2021 20:22:13 7 8
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The waiting list has returned to where it was under Labour.

All it took was a pandemic.
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11/02/2021 20:25:02 16 2
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Dumbest post of the year contender.
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11/02/2021 20:25:34 0 0
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And fewer medical experts to process the backlog as well...
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11/02/2021 20:19:26 16 2
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Errr because they still need staff
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11/02/2021 20:23:27 2 1
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Are there really no staff?

Why am I not surprised?
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11/02/2021 20:24:27 8 6
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If anyone is surprised by this, WHY?
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11/02/2021 21:48:54 7 0
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Not surprised but it leads to questions

Why are millions unemployed, hundreds of thousands not getting routine surgery and however many other people suffering due to the lockdown and complete overreaction to COVID and not the actual virus
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11/02/2021 20:22:13 7 8
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The waiting list has returned to where it was under Labour.

All it took was a pandemic.
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11/02/2021 20:25:02 16 2
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Dumbest post of the year contender.
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11/02/2021 20:34:11 0 0
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It's a strong list.
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11/02/2021 20:22:13 7 8
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The waiting list has returned to where it was under Labour.

All it took was a pandemic.
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11/02/2021 20:25:34 0 0
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And fewer medical experts to process the backlog as well...
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11/02/2021 20:26:27 7 5
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And so the circle will continue. Now there will be even more pressure on the NHS as tens of thousands of people will become critically ill. Then they go to hospital, catch Covid there or at least be diagnosed using the faulty PCR test as having it, then won't get treated as they now have Covid.
NHS then won't cope, so then another lockdown.
Bye bye freedom until the next election
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11/02/2021 20:18:26 11 10
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Hancock must stand down over this.
Clearly you must have your head in the clouds!!!
Do you know how to spell simpleton?
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11/02/2021 20:45:48 1 4
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Hancock should have been dismissed when he declared the UK to be a Covid plague island with his "Out of control" message.
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11/02/2021 20:13:34 26 4
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Why are the Covid patients not being treated in these new Covid hospitals that the tax payer paid Billions for?
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11/02/2021 20:30:27 5 3
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Because only COVID deaths matter these days. The rest don't get daily numbers published on the BBC so are unimportant - not worth tweeting about with faux outrage.
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11/02/2021 16:34:26 86 25
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The NHS morphed into the National COVID Response Service back in early April 2020. I think it is disgusting how anything that is not COVID has been ignored. Many people will die as a reault of this.
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11/02/2021 20:31:16 12 1
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Unfortunately only COVID deaths matter these days. The rest don't get daily numbers published on the BBC so are unimportant - not worth tweeting about with faux outrage.
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11/02/2021 20:25:02 16 2
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Dumbest post of the year contender.
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11/02/2021 20:34:11 0 0
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It's a strong list.
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11/02/2021 20:15:45 11 4
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What happened in 2008 to cause an routine operations backlog worse than one during a global pandemic?
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11/02/2021 20:35:15 2 1
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I must admit, I'd forgotten about Labour. It has been such a long time since they had their donnies on the tiller.
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11/02/2021 20:13:34 26 4
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Why are the Covid patients not being treated in these new Covid hospitals that the tax payer paid Billions for?
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11/02/2021 20:36:54 1 1
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Because the auditors are trying to find the billions you suggest has been spent on them?
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11/02/2021 20:37:14 23 9
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What’s needed is HMG to acknowledge that its covid policy has been a mistake from the outset. However, this Govt has shown no capacity for any kind of self examination or reflection to make such an acknowledgement
I'm afraid the mistaken policy has become intrinsic....in that the magnitude of the Govts failure has itself become the major obstacle to the Govt being able to acknowledge that failure
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11/02/2021 20:41:30 1 5
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ok Angela/Arthur
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11/02/2021 20:18:26 11 10
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Hancock must stand down over this.
Clearly you must have your head in the clouds!!!
Do you know how to spell simpleton?
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11/02/2021 21:00:07 1 3
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No, but it seems you do!
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11/02/2021 20:40:57 25 2
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The contagious nature of Covid, and the recently reported opinion that variants will be around for years, will require the setting up of isolation hospitals. The current situation of hospitals being the main source of infection is intolerable for a 21st century health service.
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11/02/2021 20:46:09 12 7
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Great idea...But it won't happen as this will be objected to be the WOKE brigade.
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11/02/2021 21:47:37 1 0
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Back to Victorian fever hospitals, ironically they just demolished one near us which was used as offices.
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11/02/2021 22:16:37 1 1
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Many year ago there used to be isolation hospitals in various towns and cities in the UK. But obviously they all got decommissioned and demolished during the 1960s and 1970s, because the viruses they dealt with then had virtually diminished, due to effective vaccines.
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11/02/2021 20:37:14 23 9
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What’s needed is HMG to acknowledge that its covid policy has been a mistake from the outset. However, this Govt has shown no capacity for any kind of self examination or reflection to make such an acknowledgement
I'm afraid the mistaken policy has become intrinsic....in that the magnitude of the Govts failure has itself become the major obstacle to the Govt being able to acknowledge that failure
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11/02/2021 20:41:30 1 5
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ok Angela/Arthur
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11/02/2021 20:50:01 2 1
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Pardon?
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11/02/2021 20:44:20 2 5
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If waiting lists are so long on the nhs give the work to the private sector.
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11/02/2021 20:40:57 25 2
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The contagious nature of Covid, and the recently reported opinion that variants will be around for years, will require the setting up of isolation hospitals. The current situation of hospitals being the main source of infection is intolerable for a 21st century health service.
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11/02/2021 20:46:09 12 7
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Great idea...But it won't happen as this will be objected to be the WOKE brigade.
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11/02/2021 22:05:06 1 1
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Yip as soon as any discussion starts " their going to privatise our NHS" and any reasonable debate will be stopped. We need someone to stand up to the regressive progressive types.
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11/02/2021 16:46:30 37 0
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I would think that many routine medical treatments have been delayed in lots of countries around the world because of covid.

It’s heartbreaking for anyone who is caught up in such a situation caused by this virus.
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11/02/2021 20:46:39 0 1
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And worth remembering how many of those now make up 'covid' deaths, after they couldn't avoid hospital anymore.
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11/02/2021 20:18:26 11 10
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Hancock must stand down over this.
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11/02/2021 20:45:48 1 4
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Hancock should have been dismissed when he declared the UK to be a Covid plague island with his "Out of control" message.
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11/02/2021 20:49:21 1 3
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Not really surprising is it and I imagine the situation is similar in other European countries. Does anyone know why waiting lists were so long in 2008?
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11/02/2021 20:57:01 8 2
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Labour were in Government. Blair claimed to have saved the NHS but, in reality, with his mis-use of PFI, he actually bankrupted it.
I suffered a fracture dislocation of my shoulder in 2005. The dislocation was put back but I waited 6 months into 2006 to have the fracture screwed back into place with 3 large screws.
Under labour, the NHS was a mess!
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11/02/2021 20:41:30 1 5
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ok Angela/Arthur
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11/02/2021 20:50:01 2 1
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Pardon?
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11/02/2021 20:51:48 11 2
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How many of the excess deaths are due to non covid deaths? Anybody who died because they didn't have operations etc, because of the NHS focus on covid??? I'm sure the ons have the stats, just got to find them I guess
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11/02/2021 21:03:13 4 3
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NHS focus on covid ???
Should they have left the hordes of covid patients on the street outside the hospitals ?
Total lack of focus by the Government allowing it to get so bad is what it is.
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PJB
11/02/2021 20:53:29 20 4
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SAGE have a new lockdown spokesman championing their drive for permanent dystopia with a Prof.John Edmunds stating that Rule of 6 needs to be maintained for another year and other distancing measures such as masks may well be with us "forever".

Come on Johnson get a grip, the lunatics are running the asylum - what was the point of your vaccines?
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11/02/2021 20:53:47 16 0
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For a serious and potentially fatal virus, the actual treatment is fairly straightforward compared with the complexity of say open heart surgery. Isolation units could be easily set up to provide dedicated respiratory care, greatly reducing the cross infections currently adding to the death toll. Palliative care, and visits of relatives during the final days would also be possible.
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11/02/2021 20:55:01 25 2
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The NHS became the National COVID-19 Service and everything else went in the bin.

We locked down to "protect" it, except we have still seen 100k dead. There will also be a crushing onslaught of backed-up treatments eventually restarting, which will overwhelm the NHS in a totally different way. Some "protection".

What a mess.
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Mo
11/02/2021 21:10:34 10 7
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And how many would have died if we hadn’t locked down?
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11/02/2021 22:09:40 0 1
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Good criticism. What is your solution?
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pTc
11/02/2021 16:34:26 86 25
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The NHS morphed into the National COVID Response Service back in early April 2020. I think it is disgusting how anything that is not COVID has been ignored. Many people will die as a reault of this.
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11/02/2021 20:56:38 7 1
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Absolutely. What happens next? The NHS we "protected" will instead be bowled over by the crushing wave of everything else catching up and restarting once COVID is firmly dealt with (and IF it's firmly dealt with).

Shall we lock down again and tell cancer patients and people needing new hips to stay at home, just to take the strain off the NHS?
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11/02/2021 21:28:29 3 0
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You lockdown in a timely fashion thereby avoiding having the hospitals full of covid patients.
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11/02/2021 20:49:21 1 3
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Not really surprising is it and I imagine the situation is similar in other European countries. Does anyone know why waiting lists were so long in 2008?
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11/02/2021 20:57:01 8 2
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Labour were in Government. Blair claimed to have saved the NHS but, in reality, with his mis-use of PFI, he actually bankrupted it.
I suffered a fracture dislocation of my shoulder in 2005. The dislocation was put back but I waited 6 months into 2006 to have the fracture screwed back into place with 3 large screws.
Under labour, the NHS was a mess!
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11/02/2021 21:07:50 1 1
bbc
You thought that was bad ? Let me tell you about 1995 young man ....
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11/02/2021 20:58:35 2 8
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Too many expectations of the NHS.
NHS treatment should be prioritised to those who can go back to work, and pay for it.
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11/02/2021 21:06:38 2 0
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Oh dear! You don't even realise the words coming out of your mouth.
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11/02/2021 21:09:43 3 0
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And what about those of us who have paid into it all of our lives but are now unable to benefit.
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11/02/2021 20:07:05 6 4
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Not true. I had an MRI scan today
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11/02/2021 20:58:45 0 0
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Yes, I had an offer of an ultrasound scan on 28th December but had in 8th January as I could not make the first. Then I has a MRI scan on 27th and have been given a referral for first consultation on 9th April. It is still working. But there has been spare capacity due to services being closed to manage Covid (Significantly more last time than this).
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11/02/2021 20:59:33 12 11
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what do you expect, there's a pandemic. NHS are doing their best, harsh but some people will have to wait....
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11/02/2021 21:02:01 8 1
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I guarantee if it was you suddenly on the waiting list, or unable to see a GP after notice by a lump, that you'd be spitting feathers.

Harsh, but true.
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11/02/2021 21:05:13 7 0
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Tell that to the millions more people that are going to lose their lives through the lack of treatment they could have recieved.
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11/02/2021 21:44:52 3 1
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“There’s a pandemic” seems to be the catch all answer to the problems caused by lockdown - many of which will be worse than 85 year olds dying roughly when expected
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11/02/2021 20:59:33 12 11
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what do you expect, there's a pandemic. NHS are doing their best, harsh but some people will have to wait....
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11/02/2021 21:02:01 8 1
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I guarantee if it was you suddenly on the waiting list, or unable to see a GP after notice by a lump, that you'd be spitting feathers.

Harsh, but true.
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11/02/2021 21:02:34 7 6
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All these people bleating about this are probably the same people that drive around in their cars on their own with face masks on bleating about covidiots ??
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11/02/2021 20:51:48 11 2
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How many of the excess deaths are due to non covid deaths? Anybody who died because they didn't have operations etc, because of the NHS focus on covid??? I'm sure the ons have the stats, just got to find them I guess
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11/02/2021 21:03:13 4 3
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NHS focus on covid ???
Should they have left the hordes of covid patients on the street outside the hospitals ?
Total lack of focus by the Government allowing it to get so bad is what it is.
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11/02/2021 20:59:33 12 11
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what do you expect, there's a pandemic. NHS are doing their best, harsh but some people will have to wait....
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11/02/2021 21:05:13 7 0
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Tell that to the millions more people that are going to lose their lives through the lack of treatment they could have recieved.
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11/02/2021 21:02:34 7 6
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All these people bleating about this are probably the same people that drive around in their cars on their own with face masks on bleating about covidiots ??
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11/02/2021 21:06:21 11 9
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"Protect the NHS" is such rubbish. The NHS should be protecting us. The fact it can't is a direct result of a decade of Tory cuts combined with the Tories' complete failure to manage the pandemic.
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11/02/2021 21:10:08 9 4
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no health service could cope / has coped with the last year
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11/02/2021 21:06:36 4 3
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WHO trying ever so hard to defend China who now suggest imported frozen food was the culprit.
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11/02/2021 20:58:35 2 8
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Too many expectations of the NHS.
NHS treatment should be prioritised to those who can go back to work, and pay for it.
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11/02/2021 21:06:38 2 0
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Oh dear! You don't even realise the words coming out of your mouth.
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11/02/2021 22:16:33 0 1
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Yes I do. People who go to work pay for the NHS and fund the NHS for those who don't go to work. Simples.
Clearly you must have your head in the clouds!!!
Do you know how to spell simpleton?
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11/02/2021 21:00:07 1 3
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No, but it seems you do!
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11/02/2021 20:57:01 8 2
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Labour were in Government. Blair claimed to have saved the NHS but, in reality, with his mis-use of PFI, he actually bankrupted it.
I suffered a fracture dislocation of my shoulder in 2005. The dislocation was put back but I waited 6 months into 2006 to have the fracture screwed back into place with 3 large screws.
Under labour, the NHS was a mess!
80
11/02/2021 21:07:50 1 1
bbc
You thought that was bad ? Let me tell you about 1995 young man ....
68
11/02/2021 20:58:35 2 8
bbc
Too many expectations of the NHS.
NHS treatment should be prioritised to those who can go back to work, and pay for it.
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11/02/2021 21:09:43 3 0
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And what about those of us who have paid into it all of our lives but are now unable to benefit.
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11/02/2021 21:06:21 11 9
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"Protect the NHS" is such rubbish. The NHS should be protecting us. The fact it can't is a direct result of a decade of Tory cuts combined with the Tories' complete failure to manage the pandemic.
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11/02/2021 21:10:08 9 4
bbc
no health service could cope / has coped with the last year
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11/02/2021 21:18:13 5 1
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Er, yes they have. The ones who's Government didn't fill the hospitals up with covid patients needlessly.
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11/02/2021 20:55:01 25 2
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The NHS became the National COVID-19 Service and everything else went in the bin.

We locked down to "protect" it, except we have still seen 100k dead. There will also be a crushing onslaught of backed-up treatments eventually restarting, which will overwhelm the NHS in a totally different way. Some "protection".

What a mess.
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Mo
11/02/2021 21:10:34 10 7
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And how many would have died if we hadn’t locked down?
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11/02/2021 21:45:49 3 6
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A few more than in a normal year - big deal. People die, get used to it
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11/02/2021 21:11:13 16 7
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In other shock news. The sun went down and it got darker and colder!!!!

The article would be far more informative and useful if it provided comparisons with waiting lists in other countries. And maybe including those countries where health care is not free at the point of delivery, which we know is most of them!!!
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12/02/2021 14:06:59 0 0
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nhs is not free be it primary or secondary care, we fund it with tax, tax paid by workers, tax from the things you buy! not sure why people think it's free. My NHS dentist it not free either, or my NHS medications that I pay large sums. The services are subsidised not free.
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11/02/2021 21:11:23 5 7
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priorities, you cannot carry on with operations on a pandemic
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11/02/2021 21:43:18 3 2
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You cannot stop the world like this - death should have been accepted
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11/02/2021 20:03:35 13 13
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We need new laws to ban private healthcare in this country!

THEN they would get the NHS at full strength if the shysters making the cut backs had to use it too!
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11/02/2021 21:14:45 6 1
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If you ended private healthcare the millions of people who use it would have to use the NHS instead. It's already struggling without adding petrol to the fire.
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11/02/2021 21:10:08 9 4
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no health service could cope / has coped with the last year
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11/02/2021 21:18:13 5 1
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Er, yes they have. The ones who's Government didn't fill the hospitals up with covid patients needlessly.
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11/02/2021 21:20:39 2 0
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How many of the "suck it up and wait" brigade have experience (either personal or someone you know) of cancer, or other life ending diseases, during the pandemic?

How are you coping with your wait?

If someone you know, did you part your 'wisdom' to them, and how did they react?

I once knew a particularly obtuse American, who stated that he would never get cancer because he has good genes.
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11/02/2021 21:21:04 4 8
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The government over egg the virus death rate. They include people who have died of other causes but have tested positive for covid within 28 days Why do you think they do that ?
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11/02/2021 21:26:36 2 2
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because superadded infection on top of COVID is the commonest cause of death. As a hospital work who sees the suffering and death, its time to stop conspiracy theories
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11/02/2021 21:30:34 0 2
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Unbelievable ! Some people are down voting my comment .It's a fact
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11/02/2021 21:31:54 1 0
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tell us how you think death certificates work?
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11/02/2021 21:35:26 0 0
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How are you sure?
A study found -I’ve forgotten how many- that a %tage discharged with covid, end up back in hospital months later
Long covid isn’t really as reported on as everything else, how many of those don’t survive? They become excess death %’s
Either way, lives are being cut short that otherwise would have survived
It’ll be years before we know properly
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11/02/2021 21:22:18 4 1
bbc
Look on the bright side
At least the makers and suppliers of opiate painkillers will be making a profit.

Sadly my dodgy knee wont be getting treated anytime soon.... but hey I can get high
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11/02/2021 21:27:28 7 1
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Have you considered weed?

A lot easier to manage life as a pothead rather than a pillhead.
Will people behave
The waiting lists for treatments and operations were falling long before COVID
We haven't met 1 key target not even cancer targets for years
Ffs
Reform has sod all to do with it
We spend less per capita on health services than the majority of major European countries
You cannot have 10 years of cutting beds nurses and doctors and expect targets to be met
We voted for this
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11/02/2021 21:22:18 4 1
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Look on the bright side
At least the makers and suppliers of opiate painkillers will be making a profit.

Sadly my dodgy knee wont be getting treated anytime soon.... but hey I can get high
92
11/02/2021 21:27:28 7 1
bbc
Have you considered weed?

A lot easier to manage life as a pothead rather than a pillhead.
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11/02/2021 21:33:17 3 0
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A. Its legal
B. I know whats in it
C. It costs 9 quid for a box of 30
D. Tried weed once.. has a very bad interaction with the rest of the drugs regime I'm on.
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11/02/2021 21:19:12 0 2
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Let’s all clap for the NHS
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11/02/2021 20:56:38 7 1
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Absolutely. What happens next? The NHS we "protected" will instead be bowled over by the crushing wave of everything else catching up and restarting once COVID is firmly dealt with (and IF it's firmly dealt with).

Shall we lock down again and tell cancer patients and people needing new hips to stay at home, just to take the strain off the NHS?
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11/02/2021 21:28:29 3 0
bbc
You lockdown in a timely fashion thereby avoiding having the hospitals full of covid patients.
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11/02/2021 16:48:11 15 9
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As I was being rolled out of theatre, after a hernia operation in September, which I went privately for and waited about 2 weeks for, I asked how long I'd have probably have had to wait if I'd gone NHS. The reply was about 2 years.

Of course, like me, the instigators of these lockdowns can pay to avoid having to wait themselves.
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AO
11/02/2021 21:22:25 1 0
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If they can afford it
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11/02/2021 21:21:04 4 8
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The government over egg the virus death rate. They include people who have died of other causes but have tested positive for covid within 28 days Why do you think they do that ?
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11/02/2021 21:26:36 2 2
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because superadded infection on top of COVID is the commonest cause of death. As a hospital work who sees the suffering and death, its time to stop conspiracy theories
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11/02/2021 21:33:00 1 1
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So, you test positive for covid,, you recover , then within 28 days you have an accident and die. You are then included in the covid death figures . It's not a conspiracy ,it's the truth
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11/02/2021 21:30:18 2 1
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Every week a member of the theatre team I work with either hands in their notice or announces their retirement.
These are experienced members of operating theatre staff who are being replaced by new team members who have no or very little experience.
These extremely long lists for surgery are going to be around for a long time.
If this is happening in one hospital whats happening in the others?
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11/02/2021 21:46:46 1 4
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Perhaps you’d like to share with us the age at which NHS medical and nursing staff are able to retire and draw their occupational pension ? Because I think a large part of the tax-paying public may be rather surprised....
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11/02/2021 22:20:30 0 1
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Rather selfish of them in a pandemic.
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11/02/2021 21:21:04 4 8
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The government over egg the virus death rate. They include people who have died of other causes but have tested positive for covid within 28 days Why do you think they do that ?
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11/02/2021 21:30:34 0 2
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Unbelievable ! Some people are down voting my comment .It's a fact
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11/02/2021 21:31:06 4 1
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Can we at least have an adult conversation about legalising marijuana?

My mum, who worked for the NHS for 50 years (including night shift in a psychiatric unit), suffered chronically from back ache the last few years - she died from pancreatic cancer.

Would have been nice to have been able to get her a joint.

Rather than being continually sent home from hospital and being told it's old age.
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11/02/2021 22:02:52 0 4
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Grow up
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11/02/2021 21:21:04 4 8
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The government over egg the virus death rate. They include people who have died of other causes but have tested positive for covid within 28 days Why do you think they do that ?
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11/02/2021 21:31:54 1 0
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tell us how you think death certificates work?