Coca-Cola company trials first paper bottle
12/02/2021 | news | technology | 491
The test is first step towards all-paper bottle that can withstand pressure from fizzy drinks.
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12/02/2021 15:34:41 4 1
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This is a good advancement but we will not be able to rely on paper instead of plastic for everything without making sure that we recycle as much as possible and plant masses of extra trees as the recyled amount will not be able to keep up with the additional demaned
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Ast
12/02/2021 15:31:56 27 4
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Wonder why a bigger can won't do?
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12/02/2021 16:02:27 6 1
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They used to make a supercan 500ml i believe
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12/02/2021 16:43:07 2 0
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Not resealable so maybe a different market / consumer?
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12/02/2021 17:57:09 3 0
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I sometimes need to collect cans that people thought they would like and find that most of them are still half full. Clearly a mouthful of cola is as much as they can take in most cases.
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12/02/2021 18:03:11 4 5
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I prefer bottles over cans because it is rare that I want a full portion at once and I am usually on the move so need something that won't spill.

Saying stick to water is all well and good but the UK is miles behind the States in having water freely available.
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12/02/2021 19:03:25 4 0
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You can get cans in all sizes up to a 32oz Growler :-)
https://vinepair.com/articles/beer-bottle-can-sizes-guide-infographic/

... and beer minikegs in 5L sizes.

Aluminium is a great replacement for Glass.
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12/02/2021 15:37:44 29 0
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In World war 2 a number of things were put into paper bottles. Even some aircraft fuel tanks were made from cardboard.
It is not a new idea.
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12/02/2021 17:22:22 54 8
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Yes but Cola's more toxic than aviation fuel.
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12/02/2021 15:38:35 14 4
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Wonder if they will be as good as paper straws
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Bob
12/02/2021 15:41:35 16 5
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They want to know how well it holds up in terms of gas escaping so they trial it with a non-carbonated drink. Makes sense.
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12/02/2021 18:08:04 17 3
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This packaging isn't about solving the problem, it's about looking as if they're trying to solve the problem!
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12/02/2021 15:40:33 35 8
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Anybody thought of using glass?
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12/02/2021 15:46:32 29 27
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too heavy and expensive
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12/02/2021 15:48:43 7 4
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Refillable glass bottles work well.
Yeah tastes better from a glass IMO, and the glass definitely won't put chemicals into the environment that leave half of men infertile or suffering some form of gender dysphoria as we see happening now. Not that we can prove that's due to plastics of course, but let's eliminate them for a start as they are just plain bad all round. Removed
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12/02/2021 17:29:21 4 3
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It is far heavier which can make emissions etc greater overall when you're talking in the massive scale of a company like Coca-Cola
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12/02/2021 22:36:35 0 1
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Won't work very well in a vending machine
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12/02/2021 15:40:33 35 8
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Anybody thought of using glass?
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12/02/2021 15:46:32 29 27
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too heavy and expensive
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12/02/2021 18:57:31 2 1
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Aluminium... like Cans of Coke !!!!!
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13/02/2021 07:20:08 0 0
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its infinitely recyclable and its cheaper than plastic because it can be produced in far higher volumes. Plastic isnt cheap and its not sustainable and through puts in terms of injection stretch blow molding are low.
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13/02/2021 10:48:13 0 0
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And easily recycled again and again and again! so its far more user friendly. We just need a recycling system that works
which means Politicians can't have anything to do with it!!
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12/02/2021 15:48:37 3 1
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Best of luck!, ...though I imagine there'll be serious practical limits on the extent to which durable materials like aluminium and plastics can be substituted with more biodegradable ones. We should probably look to more extensive material recycling,.. ..i.e. any plastics/carbonaceous-materials that can't be directly or recycled could be gasified and processed into basic feedstocks(e.g methanol)
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12/02/2021 15:40:33 35 8
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Anybody thought of using glass?
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12/02/2021 15:48:43 7 4
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Refillable glass bottles work well.
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12/02/2021 16:07:10 11 2
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Yep, just what they used to do and incentivised you to return your bottle by charging a deposit, great source of extra money for kids back then to return bottles.
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12/02/2021 22:04:56 0 3
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Problem with glass bottles is they break and create a safety hazard. They’re expensive to make, expensive to sterilize, bulky to store
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12/02/2021 15:49:01 101 31
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Drink tap water from a reusable bottle.
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12/02/2021 16:02:49 64 166
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Don't tell me what to do mate.

If i want to buy a bottle of Coke I will
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12/02/2021 16:39:01 19 0
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Tap water? What's wrong with mountain spring water into your cupped hands?
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13/02/2021 12:04:27 0 0
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How about just straight from the tap. That way you don't have to waste water washing your bottle out.
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12/02/2021 15:49:13 78 5
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How are they going to recycle it? Stuff made with combined plastic/paper is hard to recycle - look at Pringles packets
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12/02/2021 16:47:20 44 7
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I don't see the problem with using glass bottles - except they likely cost the company more to produce & transport. So this is as much about maximising $$ while branding themselves as green.
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12/02/2021 17:42:04 6 3
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It does seem strange to make a new product that they already know does not solve the problem.
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12/02/2021 18:32:56 3 1
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Gina it says in the article that they have made a few trial bottles with a plastic lining but that will be changed to a plant based lining before mass production.
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12/02/2021 18:50:23 7 1
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Considering fully recylable Aluminium cans or Glass Bottles have been available for many-many decades, and also fully recyclable PET bottles (apart from the recent **insane** trend for plastic film labels replacing biodegradable paper ones) have been about for decades... this is a solution to a question that no-one asked.

Just put your Alu, Glass or PET bottle in the damn recycle.
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13/02/2021 10:24:12 2 0
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Agreed, I've stopped buying Pringles for this very reason and silver lined drinks/passatta etc cartons and the plastic packet 'microwave' rice. Just stop and think people, If you don't buy it they will be forced to change.
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12/02/2021 15:50:33 5 3
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Would have thought a better first step was to make a plastic that was more biodegradable in sea water

As gone through n times using paper has environmental consequences as well
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12/02/2021 17:40:31 0 0
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Perhaps they could use fish skin or crab shells.
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12/02/2021 15:49:02 18 5
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I only buy coke in glass bottles. They are reusable and recyclable. Why spend all that money when they have a resource that already works?
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12/02/2021 15:56:49 4 5
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Countless bottles are not recycled; in addition they are more costly for manufacturers. The ideal solution would be a recyclable but also biodegradable container but that's probably a contradiction in properties.
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12/02/2021 15:59:32 0 3
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Doesn't sound like you live in Britain, because they are not on sale here, presumably because it does not work here.
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13/02/2021 14:34:34 0 0
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Easy thing to do is do not buy there product then whatever they put it in will not matter.
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12/02/2021 15:56:24 175 6
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In terms off all drink bottles, is it not time that we had buy back schemes, people would be more likely to recyle any product if they get some money for it.

Suddenly you will find people cleaning up litter so that they can get a bit if pay, if you don't believe me just look at the people who started picking up papercups at music festivals when they started paying per cup, it works
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12/02/2021 16:24:46 90 4
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It worked when i was a kid, we used to go scavenging in bins to get glass pop bottles. I think the only danger is if they make the deposit too high it may encourage companies to produce "fake" bottles as the production cost on these bottles is low. If the deposit was low enough to stop this but high enough so people collect them then it may work. Maybe around 5p per bottle.
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12/02/2021 16:30:29 5 0
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30 yrs. ago when I lived in California, a lot of supermarkets had machines outside and you put your plastic bottle into the
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12/02/2021 16:32:39 12 0
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30 yrs.ago when living in California, supermarkets had shredding machines outside and after putting the plastic bottle into the machine, it spat out a nickel.
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12/02/2021 16:37:33 10 0
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My old school (Lady Manners, Bakewell) had an iced cream van parked up at lunchtime. The owner offered a free lolly for every 50 discarded lolly sticks as he was threatened with 'eviction' by the school heads for all the litter he created!
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12/02/2021 17:29:54 8 0
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for glass bottles yes, when I was a young boy you were paid 5 cent for each drink bottle you returned.
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12/02/2021 17:39:15 13 0
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I remember returning glass fizzy drinks bottles for 10p when I was a kid.

The deposit scheme definitely works.
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12/02/2021 17:52:59 8 14
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Such a scheme needs to be a silly amount of money, two quid a bottle rather than 10p, because many people in today's disposable society wouldn't bother for such a small amount.

People buy outfits to wear for a night out then bin, people by chopped carrots rather than carrots, they pay four quid for a takeaway coffee, the carrot has to be big enough and the stick enough to make an impact.
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12/02/2021 18:34:20 0 7
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Of course it works but who will pay for the litter in a country that has no civic pride where profit is all that matters? answer = no-one
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12/02/2021 18:41:25 9 3
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Totally agree, we should be using refillable glass bottles.
On the other hand, until Bitcoin miners stop using so much electricity, we're not really addressing all the environmental problems!
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12/02/2021 19:17:14 1 1
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When I was a boy this worked because there were lots of things you could buy for the relatively small amount of money you got back. The problem is those things were sweets and crisps ensuring we all had a lifetime love for them. To offer the same now it would need to be 50p but the last thing the government wants is people eating more junk food.
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12/02/2021 19:18:32 3 0
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A village in Kenya I travelled to for some volunteer work did it with glass coke bottles, any stall or shop you brought your empty back to gave you money off your next bottle or money back.
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12/02/2021 23:04:18 2 0
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This is actually happening. A deposit return scheme starts next July in Scotland where 20p will be added to the price of drinks and refunded when the empty bottle/can is returned. England has plans for something similar. Look forward to kids scouring the streets for empty containers. It’s a win for everyone.
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12/02/2021 23:16:12 2 0
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Fuunily enough, we DID have a buy back scheme here - decades ago. We used to get 3d back each time we returned a GLASS drinks bottle (beer or soft drink)
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Joe
13/02/2021 02:49:02 0 0
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You can already make money recycling. I recycled paper and aluminum when a kid, metals now. Either way it doesn't pay squat. ok. it pays gas money for collecting the stuff so ur back to doesn't pay squat. I only do it because my dumb recycling company doesn't recycle metal - go figure.
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13/02/2021 03:41:01 2 1
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The problem only exist in countries the church of climate change is too cowardice to address. China, India, the Middle East...all huge polluters who the climate weirdos give a pass to while attacking countries like America, England and Europe. Who aren’t the problem. If lefties were serious about their cause they would be making noise in the countries that pollute.
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13/02/2021 08:22:10 0 1
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It takes a lot of energy to collect and recycle a bottle - better to have a paper bottle
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13/02/2021 10:27:49 1 0
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When I was a child pop bottles were glass and you got 3d back for returning the bottle which was then recycled. What's wrong with that idea??
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12/02/2021 15:49:02 18 5
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I only buy coke in glass bottles. They are reusable and recyclable. Why spend all that money when they have a resource that already works?
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12/02/2021 15:56:49 4 5
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Countless bottles are not recycled; in addition they are more costly for manufacturers. The ideal solution would be a recyclable but also biodegradable container but that's probably a contradiction in properties.
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12/02/2021 15:59:32 2 0
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And heavier so cost more to transport.
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12/02/2021 15:58:25 8 4
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This looks impossible to recycle. Why not switch to metal drinks containers??.......
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12/02/2021 16:05:04 6 3
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I don’t know this but I’d imagine melting millions of metal bottles each day would cause a lot of carbon!?
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12/02/2021 18:36:40 0 0
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Cans are lined with plastic.
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12/02/2021 15:59:07 13 4
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Remind me where paper comes from and the process necessary to manufacture and then recycle ... is it carbon neutral ?
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12/02/2021 16:06:56 3 3
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If you need reminding it would imply you already know. Is making metal ones better ?
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12/02/2021 16:44:37 2 1
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Yes if you plant more trees
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12/02/2021 19:41:58 0 1
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Let's not forget that plastic carrier bags were introduced to save the planet because of the damage caused making paper bafs
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13/02/2021 07:21:14 0 0
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nothing is carbon neutral, thats a myth
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12/02/2021 15:49:02 18 5
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I only buy coke in glass bottles. They are reusable and recyclable. Why spend all that money when they have a resource that already works?
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12/02/2021 15:59:32 0 3
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Doesn't sound like you live in Britain, because they are not on sale here, presumably because it does not work here.
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12/02/2021 15:56:49 4 5
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Countless bottles are not recycled; in addition they are more costly for manufacturers. The ideal solution would be a recyclable but also biodegradable container but that's probably a contradiction in properties.
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12/02/2021 15:59:32 2 0
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And heavier so cost more to transport.
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Me
12/02/2021 16:02:36 2 2
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Any step toward the eradication of plastic from FMCG can only be positive for the people who buy them, the companies that make them and the planet we live on.
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12/02/2021 15:49:01 101 31
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Drink tap water from a reusable bottle.
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12/02/2021 16:02:49 64 166
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Don't tell me what to do mate.

If i want to buy a bottle of Coke I will
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12/02/2021 16:16:38 67 7
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While you're at it, you could also buy a bottle of vinegar for that chip on your shoulder. :p
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12/02/2021 16:25:01 22 7
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More fool you!
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12/02/2021 17:32:16 25 1
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I think you’ve had too much caffeine for today!
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12/02/2021 18:51:09 15 3
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You'll do as you're told, now drink tap water from a reusable bottle. DO IT!!
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12/02/2021 19:19:18 4 0
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Fiddler, don't tell him what to do, he's got anger issues. Let him him have his Coke cola...
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12/02/2021 23:16:57 0 1
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Yawnnnn!
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12/02/2021 23:47:44 3 1
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Precisely why the choice needs to be taken out of your head.
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13/02/2021 02:05:55 0 1
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Man Up
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13/02/2021 07:13:55 1 1
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I think you will Julius Caesar was a viscous dictator who though he was a god...bit like you
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13/02/2021 08:17:20 0 1
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Bet you'd vote for Trump....
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13/02/2021 10:38:03 0 1
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Typical Socialist dictatorial attitude Julius, you need re-programming!??
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12/02/2021 15:58:25 8 4
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This looks impossible to recycle. Why not switch to metal drinks containers??.......
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12/02/2021 16:05:04 6 3
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I don’t know this but I’d imagine melting millions of metal bottles each day would cause a lot of carbon!?
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12/02/2021 16:10:54 3 1
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And turning trees into paper into bottles is zero carbon?
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12/02/2021 16:37:07 1 0
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glass is the way forward ,large deposit on bottle
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12/02/2021 16:06:00 4 3
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The oestrogen properties of the chemicals in plastic are helping destroy male fertility (first in the West but almost certainly around the world)

Pretty much every action you and I and governments undertake has massive unintended consequences

Food became cheap (hooray) and we unleashed a massive obesity epidemic destroying the concept of "affordable" free universal healthcare that works
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12/02/2021 16:11:34 5 0
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Though it also bears mentioning that the decline in Western family sizes, has essentially nothing to do with this, and everything to do with education, personal choice, career opportunities and access to contraception.
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12/02/2021 16:22:06 5 0
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The most serious environmental problem in the world is over-population - most of the others stem from that. Maybe the answer is to put more phthalates into bottles, even paper ones?
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12/02/2021 15:59:07 13 4
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Remind me where paper comes from and the process necessary to manufacture and then recycle ... is it carbon neutral ?
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12/02/2021 16:06:56 3 3
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If you need reminding it would imply you already know. Is making metal ones better ?
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12/02/2021 15:48:43 7 4
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Refillable glass bottles work well.
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12/02/2021 16:07:10 11 2
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Yep, just what they used to do and incentivised you to return your bottle by charging a deposit, great source of extra money for kids back then to return bottles.
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12/02/2021 16:36:36 2 0
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I remember it well
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Ast
12/02/2021 15:31:56 27 4
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Wonder why a bigger can won't do?
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12/02/2021 16:02:27 6 1
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They used to make a supercan 500ml i believe
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12/02/2021 18:04:06 2 1
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They manage it for beer so it wouldn't be reinventing the wheel.
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12/02/2021 15:40:33 35 8
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Anybody thought of using glass?
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Yeah tastes better from a glass IMO, and the glass definitely won't put chemicals into the environment that leave half of men infertile or suffering some form of gender dysphoria as we see happening now. Not that we can prove that's due to plastics of course, but let's eliminate them for a start as they are just plain bad all round. Removed
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12/02/2021 16:10:28 6 5
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Forget the packaging ... who on earth decided it was a good idea to name a soft drink that!?!

What next? Ebola-Cola?
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12/02/2021 16:59:04 0 0
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Yes, I was a bit worried about buying a bottle of 'Aids' ooops I mean 'AdeZ' ...
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12/02/2021 18:35:50 1 0
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When it was first sold it was a tonic and did contain Cocaine and sold exclusively through Pharmacies/Drug Stores. But then when it became really popular the Cocaine was removed and it was sold in cafes for refreshment. They never changed the name because by that time it was too late.
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12/02/2021 16:05:04 6 3
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I don’t know this but I’d imagine melting millions of metal bottles each day would cause a lot of carbon!?
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12/02/2021 16:10:54 3 1
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And turning trees into paper into bottles is zero carbon?
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12/02/2021 16:11:31 33 1
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Although this is a good thing, I still think we should pay deposits on food and drink containers as a way to get them back in to the re-cycling stream. This was done in the 1960s with the Corona man, so why can't it be done now? If there was a five quid deposit on styrofoam containers you know they'd be returned to the vendor, and the environment would be so much better off.
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12/02/2021 16:34:18 16 6
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Whilst this is true, recycling of bottles is a big joke, as only a small fraction actually gets recycled, and lot of it STILL manages to end up in the environment (sitting at a dumb, magically finds its way into the sea or gets burnt).

Really the only way forward is we have to abandon mass use of plastic. Obviously we're still gonna need it for things like tech gadgets, medical, transport etc.
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12/02/2021 21:43:31 0 4
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Yes that's a good idea, though what about those people who already struggle to pay for basic foods or who live in rural areas?
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12/02/2021 22:55:17 2 0
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"60's" !!! glass refundable & returnable bottles where still the mainstay for fizzy drinks all the way up to the early 80's by almost all fizzy drinks producers across the UK...
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12/02/2021 23:01:24 0 1
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Put a 5 quid charge/ deposit on something like that then a great many people wouldn't even be able to purchase the thing to begin with !!!

Plus there will always be those who will never take them back, kinda why the old glass bottles for fizzy drinks died out as after the mid to late 80's for many people it suddenly somehow became embarrassing for them to take them back...
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13/02/2021 10:44:07 0 0
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If it were 5 quid they'd never get used at all. I for one would remove the packaging and take the item home in grease proof paper!
Coke was always cut with paper Removed
Credit card cuts better, followed by a tube made from a £50 note Removed
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12/02/2021 16:20:02 2 0
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My gran always used paper to get the coke alight.
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12/02/2021 16:06:00 4 3
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The oestrogen properties of the chemicals in plastic are helping destroy male fertility (first in the West but almost certainly around the world)

Pretty much every action you and I and governments undertake has massive unintended consequences

Food became cheap (hooray) and we unleashed a massive obesity epidemic destroying the concept of "affordable" free universal healthcare that works
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12/02/2021 16:11:34 5 0
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Though it also bears mentioning that the decline in Western family sizes, has essentially nothing to do with this, and everything to do with education, personal choice, career opportunities and access to contraception.
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12/02/2021 16:12:43 2 2
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Could they use a pig's bladder?
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12/02/2021 19:21:41 1 0
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Too difficult to catch. They fly too high and evade capture with hand knitted nets, and only land long enough to get their snouts in the climate change trough....
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12/02/2021 16:13:32 4 2
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Make paper bottles to carry the 16 spoons of sugary Carbonated Coke?

Yes...why not.
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12/02/2021 17:21:23 0 2
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You do realise the company make more than just 1 beverage, and that people have a tendancy to only focus on the one sugary one, and none of the healthier options?
Coke was always cut with paper Removed
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Ian
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Credit card cuts better, followed by a tube made from a £50 note Removed
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12/02/2021 16:02:49 64 166
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Don't tell me what to do mate.

If i want to buy a bottle of Coke I will
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12/02/2021 16:16:38 67 7
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While you're at it, you could also buy a bottle of vinegar for that chip on your shoulder. :p
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12/02/2021 16:19:13 1 6
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Why are we adding carbon dioxide to drinks at all? Maybe part of the solution is a considerable reduction in the "fizz"?
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12/02/2021 16:25:23 4 0
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i like fizzy drinks
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12/02/2021 16:31:53 0 2
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Why are we drinking flavoured drinks at all? Maybe we should force the whole world to drink tap water ??
Coke was always cut with paper Removed
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12/02/2021 16:20:02 2 0
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My gran always used paper to get the coke alight.
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12/02/2021 16:20:49 2 2
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tasted soft drink at macs with a paper straw...yuk
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12/02/2021 16:24:10 4 2
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Everything tasetes like paper at McDonalds. Hard to know where the burger ends and the cardboard begins!
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12/02/2021 16:31:03 1 0
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From the article: "The prototype is made by a Danish company from an extra-strong paper shell that still contains a thin plastic liner."

STILL CONTAINS A THIN PLASTIC LINER
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12/02/2021 17:28:23 0 0
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Only once. The only thing I ever buy from Macs is Chocolate Milkshakes which are impossible to drink with paper straw so I bought a metal reusable telescopic on EBay for £2 and I'm good to go.
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12/02/2021 16:06:00 4 3
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The oestrogen properties of the chemicals in plastic are helping destroy male fertility (first in the West but almost certainly around the world)

Pretty much every action you and I and governments undertake has massive unintended consequences

Food became cheap (hooray) and we unleashed a massive obesity epidemic destroying the concept of "affordable" free universal healthcare that works
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12/02/2021 16:22:06 5 0
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The most serious environmental problem in the world is over-population - most of the others stem from that. Maybe the answer is to put more phthalates into bottles, even paper ones?
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12/02/2021 16:22:37 28 4
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The sooner paper bottles become the norm the better. Our streets are littered with discarded plastic ones. I appreciate the drinks companied didn't throw the bottles out the car windows....but some of their dopy customers did. Anything that biodegrades in time can only be a good thing
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12/02/2021 17:47:53 11 1
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The CC one is still plastic, wrapped in paper.
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12/02/2021 22:38:39 0 1
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Agreed, but I'd prefer a deposit scheme. If materials are left to decompose then it gets messy, whereas with the deposit scheme people have an immediate incentive to clean up.

Just look at somewhere like India or Brazil, where people gather recyclable plastics in the streets for some cash. The same thing happened in Victorian London where the muckrakers cleaned up horse droppings.
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13/02/2021 09:13:53 0 0
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why will people not throw paper bottles out of car windows,?
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12/02/2021 15:56:24 175 6
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In terms off all drink bottles, is it not time that we had buy back schemes, people would be more likely to recyle any product if they get some money for it.

Suddenly you will find people cleaning up litter so that they can get a bit if pay, if you don't believe me just look at the people who started picking up papercups at music festivals when they started paying per cup, it works
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osp
12/02/2021 16:24:46 90 4
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It worked when i was a kid, we used to go scavenging in bins to get glass pop bottles. I think the only danger is if they make the deposit too high it may encourage companies to produce "fake" bottles as the production cost on these bottles is low. If the deposit was low enough to stop this but high enough so people collect them then it may work. Maybe around 5p per bottle.
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12/02/2021 16:43:08 29 0
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In Germany in the 80s we used to pay 21DM (Deutsch marks) for a crate (24 bottles) of beer at the supermarket. When you took your crate back full of empty bottles you got 7DM back so your next crate was only 14. It worked perfectly, you never ever saw bottles thrown away.
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13/02/2021 10:29:28 1 0
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Yes and we also had the pop man's rounds where he used to sell pop door to door and collect the empties for which He got paid!
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12/02/2021 16:19:13 1 6
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Why are we adding carbon dioxide to drinks at all? Maybe part of the solution is a considerable reduction in the "fizz"?
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12/02/2021 16:25:23 4 0
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i like fizzy drinks
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12/02/2021 16:23:20 5 0
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I've been buying milk in waxed paper bottles and packs for at least 20 years.
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12/02/2021 17:17:49 1 0
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Plastic coated, not wax, and not much more easily recyclable than plastic...
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12/02/2021 16:20:49 2 2
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tasted soft drink at macs with a paper straw...yuk
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12/02/2021 16:24:10 4 2
bbc
Everything tasetes like paper at McDonalds. Hard to know where the burger ends and the cardboard begins!
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12/02/2021 15:56:24 175 6
bbc
In terms off all drink bottles, is it not time that we had buy back schemes, people would be more likely to recyle any product if they get some money for it.

Suddenly you will find people cleaning up litter so that they can get a bit if pay, if you don't believe me just look at the people who started picking up papercups at music festivals when they started paying per cup, it works
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12/02/2021 16:30:29 5 0
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30 yrs. ago when I lived in California, a lot of supermarkets had machines outside and you put your plastic bottle into the
39
12/02/2021 16:20:49 2 2
bbc
tasted soft drink at macs with a paper straw...yuk
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12/02/2021 16:31:03 1 0
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From the article: "The prototype is made by a Danish company from an extra-strong paper shell that still contains a thin plastic liner."

STILL CONTAINS A THIN PLASTIC LINER
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12/02/2021 16:02:49 64 166
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Don't tell me what to do mate.

If i want to buy a bottle of Coke I will
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12/02/2021 16:25:01 22 7
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More fool you!
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12/02/2021 17:44:14 5 0
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That could be the main problem here.
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12/02/2021 16:19:13 1 6
bbc
Why are we adding carbon dioxide to drinks at all? Maybe part of the solution is a considerable reduction in the "fizz"?
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12/02/2021 16:31:53 0 2
bbc
Why are we drinking flavoured drinks at all? Maybe we should force the whole world to drink tap water ??
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12/02/2021 17:20:04 0 1
bbc
Whose tap water?

Just in the UK the water up north is different from the middle is different from the south, east or west.

What is the proper water taste - oh right, loads of chemicals pumped in to "purify" it
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12/02/2021 15:56:24 175 6
bbc
In terms off all drink bottles, is it not time that we had buy back schemes, people would be more likely to recyle any product if they get some money for it.

Suddenly you will find people cleaning up litter so that they can get a bit if pay, if you don't believe me just look at the people who started picking up papercups at music festivals when they started paying per cup, it works
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12/02/2021 16:32:39 12 0
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30 yrs.ago when living in California, supermarkets had shredding machines outside and after putting the plastic bottle into the machine, it spat out a nickel.
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12/02/2021 16:11:31 33 1
bbc
Although this is a good thing, I still think we should pay deposits on food and drink containers as a way to get them back in to the re-cycling stream. This was done in the 1960s with the Corona man, so why can't it be done now? If there was a five quid deposit on styrofoam containers you know they'd be returned to the vendor, and the environment would be so much better off.
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12/02/2021 16:34:18 16 6
bbc
Whilst this is true, recycling of bottles is a big joke, as only a small fraction actually gets recycled, and lot of it STILL manages to end up in the environment (sitting at a dumb, magically finds its way into the sea or gets burnt).

Really the only way forward is we have to abandon mass use of plastic. Obviously we're still gonna need it for things like tech gadgets, medical, transport etc.
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12/02/2021 18:34:34 0 0
bbc
Even if you do recycle, coca cola only use 50% in their bottles.
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13/02/2021 10:46:08 0 0
bbc
When you go shopping in the US you get your purchases in a large PAPER bag and you carry it out. makes much more sense than plastic bags!
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12/02/2021 16:30:45 6 2
bbc
glass bottle, and decent deposit on bottle on return , perfect you would have thought some one would have thought of that years ago, oh they did silly me
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12/02/2021 16:39:54 4 2
bbc
Very heavy in comparison though so it adds to emissions during transport as a result, which may be why they aren't looking to go back to glass.
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12/02/2021 16:46:53 0 0
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When I was at school in malta in 70/71 I would go round picking up bottles tourists had disgarded and returned them to the shop for 1d per bottle, just needed 60 to match my weekly allowance but often made over a £1 a week which made me one of the wealthiest kids in School.
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12/02/2021 17:17:45 0 0
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Doesn't need to be glass, even strong plastic will do, as that can be reused as easily as glass :-)
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12/02/2021 16:07:10 11 2
bbc
Yep, just what they used to do and incentivised you to return your bottle by charging a deposit, great source of extra money for kids back then to return bottles.
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12/02/2021 16:36:36 2 0
bbc
I remember it well
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12/02/2021 15:56:24 175 6
bbc
In terms off all drink bottles, is it not time that we had buy back schemes, people would be more likely to recyle any product if they get some money for it.

Suddenly you will find people cleaning up litter so that they can get a bit if pay, if you don't believe me just look at the people who started picking up papercups at music festivals when they started paying per cup, it works
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12/02/2021 16:37:33 10 0
bbc
My old school (Lady Manners, Bakewell) had an iced cream van parked up at lunchtime. The owner offered a free lolly for every 50 discarded lolly sticks as he was threatened with 'eviction' by the school heads for all the litter he created!
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12/02/2021 16:05:04 6 3
bbc
I don’t know this but I’d imagine melting millions of metal bottles each day would cause a lot of carbon!?
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12/02/2021 16:37:07 1 0
bbc
glass is the way forward ,large deposit on bottle
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12/02/2021 15:49:01 101 31
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Drink tap water from a reusable bottle.
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12/02/2021 16:39:01 19 0
bbc
Tap water? What's wrong with mountain spring water into your cupped hands?
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12/02/2021 17:02:29 7 1
bbc
Or fresh from a savanna watering hole, ...there's eatin' and drinkin' in it!
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12/02/2021 17:41:24 9 0
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Most of us can't fit a mountain into the corner of our kitchen :)
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12/02/2021 16:39:24 39 2
bbc
30 yrs. ago, when living in So. California, many supermarkets had shredding machines outside and after putting the plastic bottle into the machine, it spat out a nickel.
Maybe more machines like this throughout the world would have helped to solve the recycling problem.
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12/02/2021 16:49:47 55 1
bbc
Bottle recycling machines are widespread in Germany, put bottle in, get credit on shopping. And it sorts them
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12/02/2021 17:15:57 8 0
bbc
When I lived in Norway, there was a return scheme for most containers. Plastic bottles and cans were put into a receptor slot, and after you finished it printed a ticket that you could use to pay for stuff at the till. A great incentive for people to scavenge the locality for discarded bottles and cans, so less litter too!
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12/02/2021 18:06:25 1 0
bbc
I think the issue with that is that shredding and recycling isn't that green, it's better than nothing but there are limitations as to what they can be recycled into and how many times
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12/02/2021 16:30:45 6 2
bbc
glass bottle, and decent deposit on bottle on return , perfect you would have thought some one would have thought of that years ago, oh they did silly me
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12/02/2021 16:39:54 4 2
bbc
Very heavy in comparison though so it adds to emissions during transport as a result, which may be why they aren't looking to go back to glass.
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12/02/2021 16:51:50 1 0
bbc
Using paper that comes from chopped down trees, possibly from forests on the other side of the planet...
It's hard to calculate the real CO2 emissions impact, but I suspect the *real* reason for semi-paper bottles is the $$ for the co., and the 'green' branding they can boast
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12/02/2021 16:58:05 0 0
bbc
Freight lorries won't always be diesle-powered. Hopefully in 10-20 years most of them will be electric.
Also, what about the carbon emissions involved with the deforestation & transport of the paper products?

Really, I think glass bottles just cost more for Coca-Cola to transport, and *that's* the real reason
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Ast
12/02/2021 15:31:56 27 4
bbc
Wonder why a bigger can won't do?
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12/02/2021 16:43:07 2 0
bbc
Not resealable so maybe a different market / consumer?
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osp
12/02/2021 16:24:46 90 4
bbc
It worked when i was a kid, we used to go scavenging in bins to get glass pop bottles. I think the only danger is if they make the deposit too high it may encourage companies to produce "fake" bottles as the production cost on these bottles is low. If the deposit was low enough to stop this but high enough so people collect them then it may work. Maybe around 5p per bottle.
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12/02/2021 16:43:08 29 0
bbc
In Germany in the 80s we used to pay 21DM (Deutsch marks) for a crate (24 bottles) of beer at the supermarket. When you took your crate back full of empty bottles you got 7DM back so your next crate was only 14. It worked perfectly, you never ever saw bottles thrown away.
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12/02/2021 20:54:42 1 0
bbc
I remember that and considered it a great idea at the time, mind you the beer was good too.
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13/02/2021 04:59:57 0 0
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a substantial incentive like this is what is needed forget 5p's here and there.
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13/02/2021 10:41:51 1 0
bbc
Yep, today for most plastic bottles and tin cans you get 25 cent and 8 cent for beer bottles. People go bin raiding for bottles that people chuck away. Imagine how much plastic pollution would be reduced here!
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12/02/2021 15:59:07 13 4
bbc
Remind me where paper comes from and the process necessary to manufacture and then recycle ... is it carbon neutral ?
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12/02/2021 16:44:37 2 1
bbc
Yes if you plant more trees
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12/02/2021 17:42:29 1 2
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Paper-making is an incredibly long and dirty procedure. After cutting down the trees and waiting 3 years for the wood to dry out, it takes limestone and sulphuric acid to break down the wood into pulp and then 1000's of gallons of water and more acid in order to bleach the pulp.
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ian
12/02/2021 16:44:47 0 3
bbc
Good luck if it’s produced in Europe for shipping
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12/02/2021 16:30:45 6 2
bbc
glass bottle, and decent deposit on bottle on return , perfect you would have thought some one would have thought of that years ago, oh they did silly me
63
12/02/2021 16:46:53 0 0
bbc
When I was at school in malta in 70/71 I would go round picking up bottles tourists had disgarded and returned them to the shop for 1d per bottle, just needed 60 to match my weekly allowance but often made over a £1 a week which made me one of the wealthiest kids in School.
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12/02/2021 15:49:13 78 5
bbc
How are they going to recycle it? Stuff made with combined plastic/paper is hard to recycle - look at Pringles packets
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12/02/2021 16:47:20 44 7
bbc
I don't see the problem with using glass bottles - except they likely cost the company more to produce & transport. So this is as much about maximising $$ while branding themselves as green.
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12/02/2021 17:25:15 6 4
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I think glass has the largest co2 footprint of any drinks packaging so unless they are reused (washed and reused, not melted down and reformed) then glass just creates another problem
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12/02/2021 21:22:19 2 1
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great idea, a deposit on the bottle like with Corona bottles etc... years ago encourages the public to recycle
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12/02/2021 23:31:11 1 2
bbc
Glass bottles are heavy. When you factor in the diesel emissions caused by carting around the excess weight, recyclable light weight single use containers can start making sense.
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13/02/2021 02:22:41 1 1
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No glass is useless. Heavy means more energy to move it. Worse for the environment, bulkier, less per lorry. Dangerous as it breaks sharp on roads and pavements. It is with good reason we moved away from it. Even a handy weapon easily made.
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13/02/2021 10:36:03 0 0
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It is green, as all broken/chipped and older bottles are melted down and rebuilt again and again creating work and helping the environment as well. I'm not saying its perfect BUT it has to be better than our oceans full of Plastic causing damage to marine life?? A sunken bottle remains sunk and does not poison anything!
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12/02/2021 16:47:21 139 4
bbc
What's wrong with deposit glass bottles? Why this constant obsession with single use, throw away culture?
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12/02/2021 17:27:31 24 24
bbc
Unfortunately I don't see going back to returnables working. The vast majority of purchasers won't bother to return them as it would be too much effort.

Each bottle returned would have to be stored at point of return, transported back to a bottling plant, then thoroughly cleaned and checked for damage before re-filling. Big cost increase for little gain I suspect.
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12/02/2021 17:28:59 11 4
bbc
Glass bottles are 4x worse for the environment to produce than plastic. A deposit scheme wouldn't work.
I know I shouldn't believe everything I read on the internet but, I read an article a few years ago that glass milk bottles usually break after X amount of times rendering them to having a worse environmental impact than plastic.
Paper seems a sensible way to go.
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12/02/2021 17:52:42 5 1
bbc
Makes perfect sense. Glass is 100% recyclable. The addition of glass cullet to the furnace reduces the temperature required to melt the raw materials (sand + lime + soda etc), making it cheaper to manufacture new bottles than starting from scratch. It uses raw materials that are plentiful, rather than oil, as a starting point. What's not to like?
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12/02/2021 17:59:16 3 0
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The good old glass "tonks" used to pay for our coffee, milk and tea bags at work in the early 90's. We took them the shop weekly and built up a credit for our brew up requirements.
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12/02/2021 18:10:23 10 1
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Other than idiots smashing glass bottles all over the place 'for fun', they add a lot of weight to unit product. Instead of transporting a product in lightweight plastic bottles, manufacturers downwards would now need to also use extra fuel to move heavy glass bottles as well. This will also reduce the load size a lorry can carry, so more trips.
Deposits on plastic bottles makes sense.
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12/02/2021 18:13:39 13 0
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They used to do it in the Netherlands when I lived there about 15 years ago. You took your empties back to the supermarket and put them into a machine, which worked out how much they were worth and printed out a credit voucher for you. Worked perfectly.
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12/02/2021 18:31:49 1 1
bbc
I think it's down to the cost. They can make more using plastic, where's pubs always recycle so can use glass.
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12/02/2021 20:47:26 5 0
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Weight. Aluminum cans are the most efficiently recyclable packaging on the market
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13/02/2021 02:14:40 0 2
bbc
Glass is useless. It is heavy. Very dangerous broken on roads and paths. Costly in energy to move back and forth. Daft deposit schemes are a non starter.
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13/02/2021 09:40:08 0 1
bbc
Incredible but the volumes required now mean there is simply not enough glass in the world. There are currently problems sourcing enough for vaccine vials.
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12/02/2021 16:47:38 10 2
bbc
What's wrong with glass bottles?
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12/02/2021 16:51:27 11 4
bbc
1) heavy 2) difficult to wash for re-use 3) lots of energy to make & transport
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12/02/2021 17:30:08 0 0
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They've all got headaches as they all got smashed last night.
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12/02/2021 16:39:24 39 2
bbc
30 yrs. ago, when living in So. California, many supermarkets had shredding machines outside and after putting the plastic bottle into the machine, it spat out a nickel.
Maybe more machines like this throughout the world would have helped to solve the recycling problem.
67
12/02/2021 16:49:47 55 1
bbc
Bottle recycling machines are widespread in Germany, put bottle in, get credit on shopping. And it sorts them
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12/02/2021 16:47:38 10 2
bbc
What's wrong with glass bottles?
68
12/02/2021 16:51:27 11 4
bbc
1) heavy 2) difficult to wash for re-use 3) lots of energy to make & transport
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12/02/2021 17:15:45 3 1
bbc
Can you even wash and reuse these paper/plastic bottles?
Where does the paper come from?

I'm not convinced single-used semi-paper bottles will be better for the environment. But they'll certainly be lighter and therefore cheaper for CocaCola to transport
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12/02/2021 16:39:54 4 2
bbc
Very heavy in comparison though so it adds to emissions during transport as a result, which may be why they aren't looking to go back to glass.
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12/02/2021 16:51:50 1 0
bbc
Using paper that comes from chopped down trees, possibly from forests on the other side of the planet...
It's hard to calculate the real CO2 emissions impact, but I suspect the *real* reason for semi-paper bottles is the $$ for the co., and the 'green' branding they can boast
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12/02/2021 16:55:58 0 0
bbc
You're probably right, sadly.
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12/02/2021 16:53:26 0 3
bbc
would be better is it was delivered to the house via a tap!
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JF
12/02/2021 16:53:47 57 5
bbc
At one time glass reusable bottles were the norm. They are used by the brewing industry. Just go back to glass. But a lighter weight version. When The get broken, just re-cycle the glass. Simple. In reality they are only playing lip service to re-cycling.
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12/02/2021 17:04:25 34 9
bbc
OK, no problem but ...

Glass is heavy and you can't make too light a version else its' dangerous.

Heavy = eccessive transport costs = extra oil = pollution.

You can't win eh?

Ecologically friendly production is a must but it's as not easy as you'd imagine. And sometimes plastic is the best thing ... we're learning as we go here :-)
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12/02/2021 16:54:04 2 2
bbc
Re-usable aluminum bottles. Scrap selling bottles altogether and sell just the product through dispenders instead like the self service machines at Mcdonalds etc.
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12/02/2021 16:53:52 2 3
bbc
I won Coca Cola’s world without waste pitch competition, they flew me to Paris and to their HQ in Atlanta and arranged for me to meet with packaging engineers regarding our paper bottle that we invented. We made a bottle that uses a rigid cap, a rigid shoulder and a liner that is surrounded by a paper shell. We made our first paper bottle of this design in 2014, a tiny startup in California.
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13/02/2021 13:38:23 0 0
bbc
I trust that your admiration of the company hit rock bottom once you were introduced to their 'engineers'?
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12/02/2021 16:51:50 1 0
bbc
Using paper that comes from chopped down trees, possibly from forests on the other side of the planet...
It's hard to calculate the real CO2 emissions impact, but I suspect the *real* reason for semi-paper bottles is the $$ for the co., and the 'green' branding they can boast
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12/02/2021 16:55:58 0 0
bbc
You're probably right, sadly.
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12/02/2021 16:57:59 1 0
bbc
Seems a strange name for a drink. "Adez". Still, if anyone was going to bottle it, it would be coca cola.
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12/02/2021 16:57:00 46 5
bbc
Hope the paper bottle is better than McDonalds paper straw that is unusable after 2 minutes
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12/02/2021 16:59:59 8 2
bbc
McD expects you to consume your super slurpy far quicker than 2 minutes ... then you can order another one with a new straw.
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12/02/2021 20:58:40 3 0
bbc
How do you make the straw last as long as two minutes?
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sc
12/02/2021 23:52:58 1 0
bbc
Could swear when I was a kid paper straws were common. Can't be that hard a problem to solve, since it was already done. I expect the problem might be at the user end... (although to be fair I don't know what their current paper straws are like).
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13/02/2021 10:41:49 0 1
bbc
Macdonalds all show no substance! They're American says it all
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12/02/2021 16:39:54 4 2
bbc
Very heavy in comparison though so it adds to emissions during transport as a result, which may be why they aren't looking to go back to glass.
77
12/02/2021 16:58:05 0 0
bbc
Freight lorries won't always be diesle-powered. Hopefully in 10-20 years most of them will be electric.
Also, what about the carbon emissions involved with the deforestation & transport of the paper products?

Really, I think glass bottles just cost more for Coca-Cola to transport, and *that's* the real reason
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12/02/2021 16:10:28 6 5
bbc
Forget the packaging ... who on earth decided it was a good idea to name a soft drink that!?!

What next? Ebola-Cola?
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12/02/2021 16:59:04 0 0
bbc
Yes, I was a bit worried about buying a bottle of 'Aids' ooops I mean 'AdeZ' ...
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12/02/2021 16:59:55 6 4
bbc
Knowing Cola-Cola, we will find out in 12 months time they are made of asbestos by 12 year old children in Nepal.
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12/02/2021 16:57:00 46 5
bbc
Hope the paper bottle is better than McDonalds paper straw that is unusable after 2 minutes
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12/02/2021 16:59:59 8 2
bbc
McD expects you to consume your super slurpy far quicker than 2 minutes ... then you can order another one with a new straw.
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12/02/2021 17:01:23 2 2
bbc
I get high on water ... with lots of caffeine and sugar in it.
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12/02/2021 17:12:35 0 0
bbc
And?
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12/02/2021 16:39:01 19 0
bbc
Tap water? What's wrong with mountain spring water into your cupped hands?
82
12/02/2021 17:02:29 7 1
bbc
Or fresh from a savanna watering hole, ...there's eatin' and drinkin' in it!
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12/02/2021 19:34:19 1 0
bbc
I only drink unicorn tears
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12/02/2021 17:02:40 1 3
bbc
Tetra Pak (a $billion family-owned company, +see Lego) ha! don't make me laugh. How many on here visit their "local" Tetra Pak recycling centre with all their "disposable" tetra pak empties? The vast majority of this pollution goes to "waste to energy" (they incinerate it) - yet another wolf in sheep's clothing authorised by our mafia government and looted by the recycling gang cartels.
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JF
12/02/2021 16:53:47 57 5
bbc
At one time glass reusable bottles were the norm. They are used by the brewing industry. Just go back to glass. But a lighter weight version. When The get broken, just re-cycle the glass. Simple. In reality they are only playing lip service to re-cycling.
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12/02/2021 17:04:25 34 9
bbc
OK, no problem but ...

Glass is heavy and you can't make too light a version else its' dangerous.

Heavy = eccessive transport costs = extra oil = pollution.

You can't win eh?

Ecologically friendly production is a must but it's as not easy as you'd imagine. And sometimes plastic is the best thing ... we're learning as we go here :-)
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12/02/2021 17:21:31 4 2
bbc
Freight lorries won't always be diesel-powered. Hopefully in 10 years or so most of them will be electric.
Also, what about the carbon emissions involved with the deforestation & transport of the paper products?

Really, I think glass bottles just cost more for Coca-Cola to transport, and that's the *real* reason
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12/02/2021 18:12:28 2 2
bbc
you could have small bottling plants where people who drink the most fizzy drinks could buy them, near to source. a deposit would ensure most bottles would be back to source, cut down on waste
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12/02/2021 18:56:24 3 1
bbc
Aluminium... 3rd most common element on the planet, and very light.

An Aluminium Coke Bottle would last for a long time.

Considering what you say about weight, perhaps a refillable bottle and the shop has a soda fountain machine to refill this - like restaurants - that use post-mix syrup and do not transport the water content of Coke around. Post-mix Coke is a decades old solution.
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JF
12/02/2021 22:29:24 1 0
bbc
simple, regional bottling plants. AKA milk. Reduced transport smaller carbon footprint
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13/02/2021 07:17:17 0 0
bbc
From a life cycle analysis perspective there is no benefit for plastic over glass where journeys are under 1000 miles
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13/02/2021 10:40:41 0 0
bbc
Well our pop delivery driver did it on a horse and cart as he was stop start round the streets did'nt need an engine. Milk man used a milk float battery driven vehicle?? what's wrong with that??
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13/02/2021 20:08:59 0 0
bbc
Doesn’t seem to be an issue for the beer/wine/spirits industry.

Perhaps the 99% carbonated water added to the Coke post mix is heavier and more the actually issue. Just saying....
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lee
12/02/2021 17:04:00 3 1
bbc
Why don’t these big firms just go back to cans and ditch plastic from now until this paper bottles perfected
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12/02/2021 17:05:10 0 2
bbc
Does this mean more deforestation?
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12/02/2021 17:06:51 1 0
bbc
How about banning plastic packaging by 2025?
Watch the innovation flow!
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12/02/2021 17:08:15 19 0
bbc
Perhaps they should investigate a new wonder material coming out from the labs called aluminium. It is 100% recyclable, in fact most of it is turned back into new containers within 6 weeks of disposal.
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12/02/2021 17:11:52 10 0
bbc
...and the only thing that actually makes it less than 100% recycled is that many are still discarded into the environment and not collected. An ally can hanging around is better than a plastic one though, I suppose.
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13/02/2021 10:59:28 1 0
bbc
There should still be a deposit system though. 100% of a collected can can be recycled, same as 100% of a collected plastic bottle but actually only about 70% of cans are collected and recycled.
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12/02/2021 17:08:39 6 1
bbc
So it has a plastic cap and plastic inside film on the inside... Not all councils are able to recycle things that have multiple substances forming them, e.g. products with a foil coating, or cardboard with a plastic lining. So as long as councils struggle with recycling it doesn't matter what these products are made out of, they will still go to landfill or be incinerated.
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12/02/2021 17:10:23 7 1
bbc
No, read it to the end. The prototypes only have a plastic liner - in the final item the plan is to use a plant-based coating. And the cap will be paper too.
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12/02/2021 17:08:39 6 1
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So it has a plastic cap and plastic inside film on the inside... Not all councils are able to recycle things that have multiple substances forming them, e.g. products with a foil coating, or cardboard with a plastic lining. So as long as councils struggle with recycling it doesn't matter what these products are made out of, they will still go to landfill or be incinerated.
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12/02/2021 17:10:23 7 1
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No, read it to the end. The prototypes only have a plastic liner - in the final item the plan is to use a plant-based coating. And the cap will be paper too.
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12/02/2021 17:16:07 2 0
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Even reading it to the end it would have a plant based resin, doesnt make it the same to recycle as a newspaper.

Shiny magazines have coatings and can be a pain for recycling.

This is just another challenge - dont say its environmental until its proven from start to end of life cycle.
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12/02/2021 17:40:29 1 0
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Plant-based plastic is still plastic. Some sort of wax might be possible, but it would probably dissolve in the coke. In fact, anything which won't dissolve in the coke probably won't be biodegradable, either.
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13/02/2021 08:58:47 0 0
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Read what I put again, - products made out of multiple substances (it does not matter what the substances are) are difficult to recycle and a lot of councils can't recycle these products.
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12/02/2021 17:11:09 0 0
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Not news, it's been done with milk cartons for decades.
Lined with plastic, so both have to be separated to recycle, harder to recycle & paper is said to create much more pollution to manufacture.
The answer is so simple, put deposit on every bottle by law, people will return the empty bottles for cash. When there were in the high street vans that would pay people for drinks cans there were none as litter at all, all collected by homeless to cash in.
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12/02/2021 17:11:42 17 2
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The big misconception across the world is that plastic = bad. There is nothing wrong with USING plastic (except the need to use oil reserves) -it is perfect for most of the uses it is put to. The problem is what to do AFTER it is used. Proper recycling will mean minimal new input of raw materials, and the plastic can be reused over and over. Put effort into recycling effectively.
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12/02/2021 23:34:31 5 1
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unfortunately recycled plastic is not of a good enough quality for foodstuffs, and you can make bio-plastic which would preserve reserves. But I agree with the sentiment that plastic is not bad. without it we wouldn't have safe wiring. it's a wonderful material for so many things. we would have no PPE for the epidemic without plastic, or tubes for the gas for ventilators that keep people alive.
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12/02/2021 17:08:15 19 0
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Perhaps they should investigate a new wonder material coming out from the labs called aluminium. It is 100% recyclable, in fact most of it is turned back into new containers within 6 weeks of disposal.
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12/02/2021 17:11:52 10 0
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...and the only thing that actually makes it less than 100% recycled is that many are still discarded into the environment and not collected. An ally can hanging around is better than a plastic one though, I suppose.
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12/02/2021 17:01:23 2 2
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I get high on water ... with lots of caffeine and sugar in it.
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12/02/2021 17:12:35 0 0
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And?
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12/02/2021 17:13:32 5 5
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Simple solution = Don't drink artificially flavoured sugary drinks which have no nutritional value. Fin.
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12/02/2021 16:51:27 11 4
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1) heavy 2) difficult to wash for re-use 3) lots of energy to make & transport
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12/02/2021 17:15:45 3 1
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Can you even wash and reuse these paper/plastic bottles?
Where does the paper come from?

I'm not convinced single-used semi-paper bottles will be better for the environment. But they'll certainly be lighter and therefore cheaper for CocaCola to transport
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12/02/2021 17:34:19 1 0
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Plastic bottles are far lighter and therefore more efficiently transported than a plastic/paper combination and it is far easier to recycle a plastic bottle than something made of mixed media. Put a returnable deposit on bottles and the littering will disappear overnight.
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12/02/2021 16:39:24 39 2
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30 yrs. ago, when living in So. California, many supermarkets had shredding machines outside and after putting the plastic bottle into the machine, it spat out a nickel.
Maybe more machines like this throughout the world would have helped to solve the recycling problem.
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12/02/2021 17:15:57 8 0
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When I lived in Norway, there was a return scheme for most containers. Plastic bottles and cans were put into a receptor slot, and after you finished it printed a ticket that you could use to pay for stuff at the till. A great incentive for people to scavenge the locality for discarded bottles and cans, so less litter too!
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12/02/2021 17:10:23 7 1
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No, read it to the end. The prototypes only have a plastic liner - in the final item the plan is to use a plant-based coating. And the cap will be paper too.
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12/02/2021 17:16:07 2 0
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Even reading it to the end it would have a plant based resin, doesnt make it the same to recycle as a newspaper.

Shiny magazines have coatings and can be a pain for recycling.

This is just another challenge - dont say its environmental until its proven from start to end of life cycle.
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12/02/2021 16:30:45 6 2
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glass bottle, and decent deposit on bottle on return , perfect you would have thought some one would have thought of that years ago, oh they did silly me
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12/02/2021 17:17:45 0 0
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Doesn't need to be glass, even strong plastic will do, as that can be reused as easily as glass :-)