Brexit: Preserving NI protocol is 'the only way' forward, warns EU
10/02/2021 | news | politics | 174
The European Commission's vice-president says "swift solutions" must be found to "teething problems" in trade.
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11/02/2021 10:39:11 31 4
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Bit late complaining now Arlene - the DUP facilitated brexit against the wishes of the majority of people in N. Ireland
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11/02/2021 12:27:48 18 3
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She thought she's going to kill two birds with one stone by supporting Brexit: getting a hard border between NI/RoI and getting paid £1bn for it. Now it's backfired, the DUP don't like it.
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11/02/2021 10:50:57 13 2
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Arlene you've had your head in the sand for the last 4 years, who do you think you are kidding????
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11/02/2021 10:52:29 16 2
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Sefcovic is correct! The NI protocol is a fudge put in place by the EU as a favour to the UK and, to a lesser degree, the RoI. Its SOLE purpose is to preserve the GFA & the open land border between the UK & the EU in Ireland. If you don't have the protocol, you MUST have the hard land border, so that both the EU and the UK can "control their external borders." Nobody but the DUP want this.
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11/02/2021 21:52:13 3 4
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Wrong IF Ireland is sovereign, as Europhiles claim, then there doesn't have to be a land border in Ireland because the Irish and the UK have a 100 year old treaty - the FTA covering it, as I pointed out repeatedly in past months, the GFA has nothing that upsets Brexit, only the EU wants a border in NI. The fact they put one up 2 weeks ago without telling anyone worked really well!
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11/02/2021 10:58:26 7 5
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It seems that the UK government has sacrificed Northern Ireland in order to "get Brexit done".
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11/02/2021 11:08:31 5 0
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Or was it the DUP?
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11/02/2021 22:16:01 0 0
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As a brexiteer I can't dispute that, but the EU, fortunately, has just proven that Boris might as well scrap the deal and go WTO they having no intention of abiding by any of it based on their actions.
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11/02/2021 11:04:30 6 0
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Not sure why Arlene is so worried about not being able to get "pot" plants from GB to NI. Can't you grow it over there? (-:
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11/02/2021 12:15:38 3 1
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I prefer the dark web variety.
Less hassle & no paramilitary involvement.
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11/02/2021 11:04:52 6 3
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“EU say that current NI protocol is "the only way" to protect the GFA, and to hard border on the island of Ireland”.

Factually incorrect. The way that a hard Ulster border is avoided, is simply by the EU avoiding it.

The EU have already shown that they were not prepared to use article 16 in this illegal way - Brussels know they will not dare shatter the GFA and attract UN global condemnation.
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11/02/2021 11:15:32 7 1
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The EU has to control its external borders and all EU member states signed up to do this in the EU treaties. Similarly, if the UK is to "take back control" of its borders, in the absence of the protocol, it also has to have border controls on the land border in Ireland. Where else will the passports of foreigners entering the UK from RoI be checked?
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11/02/2021 11:29:37 1 0
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What a numpty!
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11/02/2021 12:13:51 4 1
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Ulster has 9 counties, with 2.25m people, not 6 counties of 1.8m.
The EU have done nothing to jeopardise the GFA.
I read it in it's entirety before i voted for it, did you?
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11/02/2021 12:19:18 5 0
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NI is comprised of only six of the nine counties of Ulster. Mind where you put that border, please! ??
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11/02/2021 12:34:19 1 0
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Let’s not get pedantic now I am fully aware that some Republican border counties are in Ulster province. I even know that Meath used to be a province itself. It’s just been easier, quicker, practical etc to refer to the ???? NI map border line as the Ulster border.

Apologies if I’ve offended anyone.
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11/02/2021 12:58:26 1 0
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Learn the difference between NI and Ulster.
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MVP
11/02/2021 10:58:26 7 5
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It seems that the UK government has sacrificed Northern Ireland in order to "get Brexit done".
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11/02/2021 11:08:31 5 0
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Or was it the DUP?
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11/02/2021 11:12:40 17 2
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The DUP are desperate to wreck the NI Protocol in case it works and that's something they definitely don't want.
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11/02/2021 21:49:44 2 1
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ROFL - ask Ursula how it is supposed to work, her vision of it clearly stunning everyone one else on the planet that had anything to do with it.
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11/02/2021 11:04:52 6 3
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“EU say that current NI protocol is "the only way" to protect the GFA, and to hard border on the island of Ireland”.

Factually incorrect. The way that a hard Ulster border is avoided, is simply by the EU avoiding it.

The EU have already shown that they were not prepared to use article 16 in this illegal way - Brussels know they will not dare shatter the GFA and attract UN global condemnation.
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11/02/2021 11:15:32 7 1
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The EU has to control its external borders and all EU member states signed up to do this in the EU treaties. Similarly, if the UK is to "take back control" of its borders, in the absence of the protocol, it also has to have border controls on the land border in Ireland. Where else will the passports of foreigners entering the UK from RoI be checked?
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11/02/2021 22:05:26 0 0
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So the Irish are going to break the GFA and our 100 year old FTA?
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11/02/2021 11:07:01 6 6
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Swift solutions and the EU are incompatible.
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11/02/2021 11:24:30 12 2
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At least they know what they signed up to, unlike our incompetent government.
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11/02/2021 12:28:13 4 2
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The UK doesn't do solutions at all.
While your team were handing ferry contracts to companies with no boats the Irish were taking delivery of the world's 2 largest ro-ro ferries - now making several direct crossings a day to the EU, & management at Holyhead are understandably complaining about the massive drop in trade.
Johnson & his bunch of idiots screwed every1, some just haven't copped on yet.
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11/02/2021 11:07:01 6 6
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Swift solutions and the EU are incompatible.
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11/02/2021 11:24:30 12 2
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At least they know what they signed up to, unlike our incompetent government.
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11/02/2021 22:27:45 0 0
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ROFL - oh really? So Ursula knew what she was doing in her 45 minute NI border blitzkreig in the debacle of a vaccine war? The last 2 weeks says she didn't ;-)
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11/02/2021 11:04:52 6 3
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“EU say that current NI protocol is "the only way" to protect the GFA, and to hard border on the island of Ireland”.

Factually incorrect. The way that a hard Ulster border is avoided, is simply by the EU avoiding it.

The EU have already shown that they were not prepared to use article 16 in this illegal way - Brussels know they will not dare shatter the GFA and attract UN global condemnation.
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11/02/2021 11:29:37 1 0
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What a numpty!
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11/02/2021 11:57:11 1 1
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What’s a “numpty”?
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11/02/2021 11:26:40 0 2
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The GFA says it is illegal for a hard border on the island of Ireland. The GFA is greater than any part in the whole of this including the EU, UK, DUP etc etc.

There is the CTA in place between the UK and Ireland and this too will stand alongside the GFA. This allows legal FOM of our Irish friends into UK.

If a person wishes to enter and stay in the UK illegally then they are doing so illegally.
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11/02/2021 11:35:45 3 0
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So, how do you propose to stop illegals entering the UK from RoI/EU/The Rest of the World, across the open border in Ireland or, to put it another way, how do you propose to "take back control of our borders?" Where will the passports be checked?
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11/02/2021 22:39:04 0 0
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Actually the GFA doesn't say anything like that at all, in fact the GFA has no effect on Brexit other than the EU & Irish using it to persuade Pelosi and the US to strong arm the UK. Personally I'd be happy for NI and Scotland to toddle off and join the EU. Delighted in fact, because then watching the EU suffer for it would be a spectator sport in England or rUK if Wales stayed as well.
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11/02/2021 11:26:40 0 2
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The GFA says it is illegal for a hard border on the island of Ireland. The GFA is greater than any part in the whole of this including the EU, UK, DUP etc etc.

There is the CTA in place between the UK and Ireland and this too will stand alongside the GFA. This allows legal FOM of our Irish friends into UK.

If a person wishes to enter and stay in the UK illegally then they are doing so illegally.
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11/02/2021 11:35:45 3 0
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So, how do you propose to stop illegals entering the UK from RoI/EU/The Rest of the World, across the open border in Ireland or, to put it another way, how do you propose to "take back control of our borders?" Where will the passports be checked?
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11/02/2021 11:49:09 3 2
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It’s a valid point that you make, & very refreshing considering some of the nationalist bile on hys, so I genuinely appreciate your post

The CTA is long-standing and is an overriding factor in all of this. The CTA pre-dates both British and Irish membership of the EU and is not dependent on it.

The UK now has a whole new approach to immigration control, & now that it is a non-EU sovereign state
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11/02/2021 12:16:22 3 0
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At the point of entry into the Republic. One must provide documentary evidence of entitlement to avail of the CTA. That’s normally a passport.
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11/02/2021 22:40:32 0 0
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LOL, what is the difference between now and 5 years ago? None, same thing applies as then, - it is a bloody long row from the Med to Ireland.
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11/02/2021 11:35:52 9 7
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The UK and Ireland joined the Common Market in 1973. Can anyone tell me what the EU did to promote reconciliation and peace on the Island, before the Good Friday Agreement. It is claimed now; by some, that the EU has kept peace in Europe! I thought that was NATO! That claim is nullified by what happened with the dissolution of Yugoslavia and results of EU interference in the Ukraine! - Is it not?
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11/02/2021 11:49:57 11 1
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I think the "peace" referred to is that between the major European protagonists in the two World Wars. Prior to the GFA, I doubt the EU played much of a role in the troubles in NI apart from, I imagine, supplying intelligence information.
The EU tends to leave internal terrorism matters to the sovereign member states. I don't think Yugoslavia and Ukraine were/are in the EU.
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11/02/2021 12:06:49 4 1
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The British are still lying through their teeth to families of innocent victims here.
The EU played no part in any of that.
The UK being a NATO member didn't do much for the Iraqis?
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11/02/2021 12:21:24 3 0
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This entire argument is irrelevant rubbish. There was a separation deal w/ EU and England, and England appears to be failing to honor it. Seems quite simple now doesn't it.
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11/02/2021 19:12:05 1 0
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EU interference in Ukraine? How much is your boss Putin paying you to post these comments? Ukraine was invaded by Russia.
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11/02/2021 11:43:14 18 2
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People were aware of the problems when this was raised in the HOL. The Gov. spokesman denied everything, they were found to be factual, hence the current situation, Michael Gove is crying foul and now wants an extension that both he and the PM have been adamant the would not accept at any price! "Fools rush in ...........
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11/02/2021 11:52:17 15 2
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Only to be expected when the then Minister for Brexit (i.e. Raab) and the now Foreign Secretary (i.e. Raab AGAIN) didn't even read the Good Friday Agreement!!!! All 32 pages of it.
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11/02/2021 21:48:32 0 0
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'fools rush in' and in Ursula's case, rushed out 45 minutes later tail between legs ;-)
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11/02/2021 11:35:52 9 7
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The UK and Ireland joined the Common Market in 1973. Can anyone tell me what the EU did to promote reconciliation and peace on the Island, before the Good Friday Agreement. It is claimed now; by some, that the EU has kept peace in Europe! I thought that was NATO! That claim is nullified by what happened with the dissolution of Yugoslavia and results of EU interference in the Ukraine! - Is it not?
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11/02/2021 11:49:57 11 1
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I think the "peace" referred to is that between the major European protagonists in the two World Wars. Prior to the GFA, I doubt the EU played much of a role in the troubles in NI apart from, I imagine, supplying intelligence information.
The EU tends to leave internal terrorism matters to the sovereign member states. I don't think Yugoslavia and Ukraine were/are in the EU.
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11/02/2021 22:14:43 0 0
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Not any more it doesn't. Two weeks ago it stirred the Unionist pot, blindsided the Irish, UK and US Governments and the committee to oversee the protocol and made a great contribution to terrorism on the Island of Ireland and drove a coach and horses through its claims that the GFA a hard border & Brexit were incompatible!!
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11/02/2021 11:35:45 3 0
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So, how do you propose to stop illegals entering the UK from RoI/EU/The Rest of the World, across the open border in Ireland or, to put it another way, how do you propose to "take back control of our borders?" Where will the passports be checked?
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11/02/2021 11:49:09 3 2
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It’s a valid point that you make, & very refreshing considering some of the nationalist bile on hys, so I genuinely appreciate your post

The CTA is long-standing and is an overriding factor in all of this. The CTA pre-dates both British and Irish membership of the EU and is not dependent on it.

The UK now has a whole new approach to immigration control, & now that it is a non-EU sovereign state
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11/02/2021 12:01:36 1 0
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I too accept your points however, they still don't answer my point about border control between the EU and the UK in Ireland. I have been posing this question since the 2016 referendum campaign, so far, without an answer. Even the Home Office couldn't give me an answer, referring me to the CTA which, of course, only applies to RoI citizens entering the UK and vice versa.
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11/02/2021 12:10:52 2 2
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'The CTA is long-standing and is an overriding factor in all of this. The CTA pre-dates both British and Irish membership of the EU and is not dependent on it.'

Something you've just discovered? Any1 living here is aware of it.

Nationalist bile? Who's been threatening violence, issuing death threats to politicians, firebombed the multicultiral centre in Belfast and attacked foreign nationals?
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11/02/2021 11:43:14 18 2
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People were aware of the problems when this was raised in the HOL. The Gov. spokesman denied everything, they were found to be factual, hence the current situation, Michael Gove is crying foul and now wants an extension that both he and the PM have been adamant the would not accept at any price! "Fools rush in ...........
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11/02/2021 11:52:17 15 2
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Only to be expected when the then Minister for Brexit (i.e. Raab) and the now Foreign Secretary (i.e. Raab AGAIN) didn't even read the Good Friday Agreement!!!! All 32 pages of it.
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11/02/2021 11:29:37 1 0
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What a numpty!
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11/02/2021 11:57:11 1 1
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What’s a “numpty”?
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11/02/2021 11:49:09 3 2
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It’s a valid point that you make, & very refreshing considering some of the nationalist bile on hys, so I genuinely appreciate your post

The CTA is long-standing and is an overriding factor in all of this. The CTA pre-dates both British and Irish membership of the EU and is not dependent on it.

The UK now has a whole new approach to immigration control, & now that it is a non-EU sovereign state
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11/02/2021 12:01:36 1 0
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I too accept your points however, they still don't answer my point about border control between the EU and the UK in Ireland. I have been posing this question since the 2016 referendum campaign, so far, without an answer. Even the Home Office couldn't give me an answer, referring me to the CTA which, of course, only applies to RoI citizens entering the UK and vice versa.
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11/02/2021 12:26:38 0 1
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I think it more as an open border between ???? & ????, & not to do with the EU. This also means that Ireland retains a higher degree of her sovereignty & still an eurozone member.
It’s guaranteed that post-EU, UK border & immigration agency will have a stricter policy on illegal subjects in the UK, along with a points-based system to settle here.

+ I wouldn’t rule out “some” ???????? cooperation.
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11/02/2021 11:35:52 9 7
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The UK and Ireland joined the Common Market in 1973. Can anyone tell me what the EU did to promote reconciliation and peace on the Island, before the Good Friday Agreement. It is claimed now; by some, that the EU has kept peace in Europe! I thought that was NATO! That claim is nullified by what happened with the dissolution of Yugoslavia and results of EU interference in the Ukraine! - Is it not?
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11/02/2021 12:06:49 4 1
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The British are still lying through their teeth to families of innocent victims here.
The EU played no part in any of that.
The UK being a NATO member didn't do much for the Iraqis?
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11/02/2021 13:18:00 1 3
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Would that be the innocent victims of the Shankill and La Mon and Oxford Street bombings, the secterian, Kingsmill Massacre or Enniskillen. When are the public inquiries for these outrages happening ? I suppose you would be happier if Sadam Hussain was still in power .
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11/02/2021 12:09:51 5 7
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Tell the EU to shove it.
The UK will not erect a border.
If the EU DOES then they are solely responsible for the consequences.
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11/02/2021 12:21:27 10 3
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Voted to leave the EU to 'take back control'?
Now they're in the UK telling you what to do?
EU won't ever put a border in Ireland & the British certainly won't, so the protocol's here to stay.
When you voted for brexit did you figure out who's going to stop some1 from landing in Dublin, taking an hours drive, crossing a field and hopping over a hedge into the UK?
I bet it never entered your mind.
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11/02/2021 12:48:47 2 1
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They already have....d'oh!
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11/02/2021 11:49:09 3 2
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It’s a valid point that you make, & very refreshing considering some of the nationalist bile on hys, so I genuinely appreciate your post

The CTA is long-standing and is an overriding factor in all of this. The CTA pre-dates both British and Irish membership of the EU and is not dependent on it.

The UK now has a whole new approach to immigration control, & now that it is a non-EU sovereign state
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11/02/2021 12:10:52 2 2
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'The CTA is long-standing and is an overriding factor in all of this. The CTA pre-dates both British and Irish membership of the EU and is not dependent on it.'

Something you've just discovered? Any1 living here is aware of it.

Nationalist bile? Who's been threatening violence, issuing death threats to politicians, firebombed the multicultiral centre in Belfast and attacked foreign nationals?
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11/02/2021 12:35:49 1 1
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I don’t know so it certainly wasn’t myself, and is something that I would never condone.
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11/02/2021 12:12:45 5 2
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The problem is that nations are caught between conflicting treaties they have signed up to over the last 50 years and promises made to electorates. The GFA demands an open border. The EU treaties demand external border controls. Brexit and the Tories demand and promised to take back control of our borders. If no NI protocol, it comes down to which international treaties you want to break.
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11/02/2021 12:19:34 2 2
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Treaties can be broken many have been over the years
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11/02/2021 22:04:31 0 0
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We have an FTA with Ireland, almost 100 years old, we never said we were rescinding that. Boris is a donut, but then I'd rather have a donut than the alternatives, maybe someone with brains might tell him to stuff the EU and leave NI with no borders and let Ursula put another one up. What would the Irish do I wonder?
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11/02/2021 11:04:52 6 3
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“EU say that current NI protocol is "the only way" to protect the GFA, and to hard border on the island of Ireland”.

Factually incorrect. The way that a hard Ulster border is avoided, is simply by the EU avoiding it.

The EU have already shown that they were not prepared to use article 16 in this illegal way - Brussels know they will not dare shatter the GFA and attract UN global condemnation.
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11/02/2021 12:13:51 4 1
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Ulster has 9 counties, with 2.25m people, not 6 counties of 1.8m.
The EU have done nothing to jeopardise the GFA.
I read it in it's entirety before i voted for it, did you?
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11/02/2021 13:34:12 2 1
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I think he means the "north of Ireland " or perhaps the repressive northern statelet. Chill out , he's only using Ulster colloquially much the same as referring to the ROI as Eire ( without the diacritic) and yes we do know strictly speaking this refers to the whole island. Big clap for having read the whole of the GFA , you mustn't have a TV.
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11/02/2021 11:04:30 6 0
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Not sure why Arlene is so worried about not being able to get "pot" plants from GB to NI. Can't you grow it over there? (-:
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11/02/2021 12:15:38 3 1
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I prefer the dark web variety.
Less hassle & no paramilitary involvement.
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11/02/2021 12:32:10 2 0
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I'll take your word for that! (-:
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11/02/2021 11:35:45 3 0
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So, how do you propose to stop illegals entering the UK from RoI/EU/The Rest of the World, across the open border in Ireland or, to put it another way, how do you propose to "take back control of our borders?" Where will the passports be checked?
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11/02/2021 12:16:22 3 0
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At the point of entry into the Republic. One must provide documentary evidence of entitlement to avail of the CTA. That’s normally a passport.
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11/02/2021 12:55:20 1 0
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But, having gained access to the RoI legally, how do you intend to stop those people entering the UK illegally across the land border in Ireland? Or, are you saying that, post Brexit, anyone entering the RoI from anywhere in the World has an automatic right to enter the UK?
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11/02/2021 12:17:49 6 8
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Arlene!! The EU have had there head in the sand about lots of things just look at how they handled the vaccine problem they've hardly started it & there bullying bunch of bureaucrats just ask yhe Hungarians & the Poles
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11/02/2021 12:31:03 5 3
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Take a look at the UK fatality rate.
I'd sooner be alive & poorly.
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11/02/2021 11:04:52 6 3
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“EU say that current NI protocol is "the only way" to protect the GFA, and to hard border on the island of Ireland”.

Factually incorrect. The way that a hard Ulster border is avoided, is simply by the EU avoiding it.

The EU have already shown that they were not prepared to use article 16 in this illegal way - Brussels know they will not dare shatter the GFA and attract UN global condemnation.
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11/02/2021 12:19:18 5 0
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NI is comprised of only six of the nine counties of Ulster. Mind where you put that border, please! ??
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11/02/2021 12:12:45 5 2
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The problem is that nations are caught between conflicting treaties they have signed up to over the last 50 years and promises made to electorates. The GFA demands an open border. The EU treaties demand external border controls. Brexit and the Tories demand and promised to take back control of our borders. If no NI protocol, it comes down to which international treaties you want to break.
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11/02/2021 12:19:34 2 2
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Treaties can be broken many have been over the years
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11/02/2021 12:33:08 4 2
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Nobody's going the break the GFA, the people of Ireland - all 32 counties - endorsed it.
The EU will not erect a border in Ireland, nor will the British, the protocol's here to stay.
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11/02/2021 12:45:35 2 1
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Indeed! So, which treaty do you want to break first?
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11/02/2021 11:35:52 9 7
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The UK and Ireland joined the Common Market in 1973. Can anyone tell me what the EU did to promote reconciliation and peace on the Island, before the Good Friday Agreement. It is claimed now; by some, that the EU has kept peace in Europe! I thought that was NATO! That claim is nullified by what happened with the dissolution of Yugoslavia and results of EU interference in the Ukraine! - Is it not?
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11/02/2021 12:21:24 3 0
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This entire argument is irrelevant rubbish. There was a separation deal w/ EU and England, and England appears to be failing to honor it. Seems quite simple now doesn't it.
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11/02/2021 12:09:51 5 7
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Tell the EU to shove it.
The UK will not erect a border.
If the EU DOES then they are solely responsible for the consequences.
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11/02/2021 12:21:27 10 3
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Voted to leave the EU to 'take back control'?
Now they're in the UK telling you what to do?
EU won't ever put a border in Ireland & the British certainly won't, so the protocol's here to stay.
When you voted for brexit did you figure out who's going to stop some1 from landing in Dublin, taking an hours drive, crossing a field and hopping over a hedge into the UK?
I bet it never entered your mind.
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11/02/2021 12:58:10 2 0
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My point exactly!
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11/02/2021 22:44:47 0 0
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LOL the EU won't ever put up a border in NI? Hmm, probably true after their last attempt 2 weeks ago. So Boris, just scrap the NI/UK border and wait for the French Farmers to start torching motorways!

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/french-farm-leader-ups-brexit-ante-with-hard-irish-border-call-1.3085229
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11/02/2021 12:23:25 15 2
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The UK Civil Service had already pointed out the shortcomings and possible contentious issues of the Withdrawal Agreement.

Why is the UK Government now confused about those very issues?

Maybe Mr Gove (and Ms Foster) should reach out to those very civil servants for help on the key issues which Westminster signed into law. These are problems of the UK's own making.
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11/02/2021 12:42:58 15 2
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They have always thought they were cleverer than the civil servants and not listened to them. In fact the whole Brexit policy was based on ignoring civil service advice.
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11/02/2021 10:39:11 31 4
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Bit late complaining now Arlene - the DUP facilitated brexit against the wishes of the majority of people in N. Ireland
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11/02/2021 12:27:48 18 3
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She thought she's going to kill two birds with one stone by supporting Brexit: getting a hard border between NI/RoI and getting paid £1bn for it. Now it's backfired, the DUP don't like it.
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11/02/2021 11:07:01 6 6
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Swift solutions and the EU are incompatible.
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11/02/2021 12:28:13 4 2
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The UK doesn't do solutions at all.
While your team were handing ferry contracts to companies with no boats the Irish were taking delivery of the world's 2 largest ro-ro ferries - now making several direct crossings a day to the EU, & management at Holyhead are understandably complaining about the massive drop in trade.
Johnson & his bunch of idiots screwed every1, some just haven't copped on yet.
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11/02/2021 12:30:21 6 7
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The EU have shown their disregard for the Irish with them being kept in the dark over the vaccine fiasco.

EU 'mainland' interests and its overwhelming, self-justifying bureaucracy are the only EU interests here, the true interests of the Irish will be disregarded time and time again.

Ireland doesn't 'belong' in the EU (it has no land border with the EU) and will continue to be abused by the EU.
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11/02/2021 12:41:47 12 2
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It was the UK that chose to leave, what do you expect? If anybody moves out of their existing union, I think it is far more likely that N. Ireland will cease to be part of the UK than that Ireland will leave the EU.
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11/02/2021 12:47:12 2 2
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The Irish Freedom Party have said that a massive EU factory fishing vessel has been hoovering up fish reserves off the coast of Kerry and landing them back in EU mainland ports. The EU has little true regard for the welfare of citizens living in Ireland, North or South, I fear?
49
11/02/2021 12:50:25 4 2
bbc
The Irish are perfectly happy in the EU.
All Johnsons bluster about 'they need us more...', etc, and his rabid followers cries of 'just walk away boris, they'll come crawling back' have been shot to pieces - that's the very reason you're here, posting what you did.
Also, Johnson said no Irish sea border (over my dead body), a few weeks ago he denied it's existence & now he's whining about it?
??
29
11/02/2021 12:17:49 6 8
bbc
Arlene!! The EU have had there head in the sand about lots of things just look at how they handled the vaccine problem they've hardly started it & there bullying bunch of bureaucrats just ask yhe Hungarians & the Poles
38
11/02/2021 12:31:03 5 3
bbc
Take a look at the UK fatality rate.
I'd sooner be alive & poorly.
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11/02/2021 13:00:19 1 2
bbc
The mortality rate in the ROI has increased markedly over the last week and unless the vaccine programme is improved will continue to do so. If NI is sharing vaccines with any other country it should be with the ROI due to the shared land border. The Taoiseach seems to recognize this and would be a valuable ally in sorting out the present difficulties. Long term no bad thing for NI just ask Scots.
145
11/02/2021 22:41:52 0 0
bbc
Better than Belgium's fatality rate by a long chalk, you know Belgium, home of the EU, world leader in that particularly depressing statistic. Do you actually know anything?
27
11/02/2021 12:15:38 3 1
bbc
I prefer the dark web variety.
Less hassle & no paramilitary involvement.
39
11/02/2021 12:32:10 2 0
bbc
I'll take your word for that! (-:
21
11/02/2021 12:01:36 1 0
bbc
I too accept your points however, they still don't answer my point about border control between the EU and the UK in Ireland. I have been posing this question since the 2016 referendum campaign, so far, without an answer. Even the Home Office couldn't give me an answer, referring me to the CTA which, of course, only applies to RoI citizens entering the UK and vice versa.
40
11/02/2021 12:26:38 0 1
bbc
I think it more as an open border between ???? & ????, & not to do with the EU. This also means that Ireland retains a higher degree of her sovereignty & still an eurozone member.
It’s guaranteed that post-EU, UK border & immigration agency will have a stricter policy on illegal subjects in the UK, along with a points-based system to settle here.

+ I wouldn’t rule out “some” ???????? cooperation.
42
11/02/2021 12:40:43 1 0
bbc
BUT, RoI have signed EU membership treaties which demand that it controls the EU's external borders. Post Brexit, that includes the land border between the EU and the UK in Ireland. This didn't matter before as both UK and RoI were in EU and those passports checks were done at Shannon/Dublin, etc. by Irish border guards. Who is now doing that on behalf of the UK and where is it done?
31
11/02/2021 12:19:34 2 2
bbc
Treaties can be broken many have been over the years
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11/02/2021 12:33:08 4 2
bbc
Nobody's going the break the GFA, the people of Ireland - all 32 counties - endorsed it.
The EU will not erect a border in Ireland, nor will the British, the protocol's here to stay.
40
11/02/2021 12:26:38 0 1
bbc
I think it more as an open border between ???? & ????, & not to do with the EU. This also means that Ireland retains a higher degree of her sovereignty & still an eurozone member.
It’s guaranteed that post-EU, UK border & immigration agency will have a stricter policy on illegal subjects in the UK, along with a points-based system to settle here.

+ I wouldn’t rule out “some” ???????? cooperation.
42
11/02/2021 12:40:43 1 0
bbc
BUT, RoI have signed EU membership treaties which demand that it controls the EU's external borders. Post Brexit, that includes the land border between the EU and the UK in Ireland. This didn't matter before as both UK and RoI were in EU and those passports checks were done at Shannon/Dublin, etc. by Irish border guards. Who is now doing that on behalf of the UK and where is it done?
57
11/02/2021 12:55:25 3 0
bbc
Foreign nationals arriving in Irish ports of entry are required to have a valid visa if they wish to travel on to the UK. As part of the CTA they will be stopped from travelling onward if they don't.

Should they slip the net their passports will be checked again when trying to board at an NI port.

It's not that difficult to understand.
6
11/02/2021 11:04:52 6 3
bbc
“EU say that current NI protocol is "the only way" to protect the GFA, and to hard border on the island of Ireland”.

Factually incorrect. The way that a hard Ulster border is avoided, is simply by the EU avoiding it.

The EU have already shown that they were not prepared to use article 16 in this illegal way - Brussels know they will not dare shatter the GFA and attract UN global condemnation.
43
11/02/2021 12:34:19 1 0
bbc
Let’s not get pedantic now I am fully aware that some Republican border counties are in Ulster province. I even know that Meath used to be a province itself. It’s just been easier, quicker, practical etc to refer to the ???? NI map border line as the Ulster border.

Apologies if I’ve offended anyone.
55
11/02/2021 12:58:11 1 0
bbc
There's a difference between pedantry and accuracy.

It's a bit like saying Dumfries & Galloway is in England and calling someone pedantic for correcting you?
No offence taken.
37
11/02/2021 12:30:21 6 7
bbc
The EU have shown their disregard for the Irish with them being kept in the dark over the vaccine fiasco.

EU 'mainland' interests and its overwhelming, self-justifying bureaucracy are the only EU interests here, the true interests of the Irish will be disregarded time and time again.

Ireland doesn't 'belong' in the EU (it has no land border with the EU) and will continue to be abused by the EU.
44
11/02/2021 12:41:47 12 2
bbc
It was the UK that chose to leave, what do you expect? If anybody moves out of their existing union, I think it is far more likely that N. Ireland will cease to be part of the UK than that Ireland will leave the EU.
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11/02/2021 22:36:20 0 0
bbc
Then why did the Irish Government say they didn't want a referendum on that very subject? Put it bluntly, we English are happy for anyone to go, we don't care if you stay or go, but don't blame us for Dairmait McMurrough's stupidity in inviting the Normans in and the subsequent 1000's years of troubles. Blame the Irish and the Normans. ;-)
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11/02/2021 12:23:25 15 2
bbc
The UK Civil Service had already pointed out the shortcomings and possible contentious issues of the Withdrawal Agreement.

Why is the UK Government now confused about those very issues?

Maybe Mr Gove (and Ms Foster) should reach out to those very civil servants for help on the key issues which Westminster signed into law. These are problems of the UK's own making.
45
11/02/2021 12:42:58 15 2
bbc
They have always thought they were cleverer than the civil servants and not listened to them. In fact the whole Brexit policy was based on ignoring civil service advice.
24
11/02/2021 12:10:52 2 2
bbc
'The CTA is long-standing and is an overriding factor in all of this. The CTA pre-dates both British and Irish membership of the EU and is not dependent on it.'

Something you've just discovered? Any1 living here is aware of it.

Nationalist bile? Who's been threatening violence, issuing death threats to politicians, firebombed the multicultiral centre in Belfast and attacked foreign nationals?
46
11/02/2021 12:35:49 1 1
bbc
I don’t know so it certainly wasn’t myself, and is something that I would never condone.
51
11/02/2021 12:54:03 1 1
bbc
If you're going to make sweeping statements it's best to take the trouble to find out first.
Then at least you'll be more accurate & up to date.
31
11/02/2021 12:19:34 2 2
bbc
Treaties can be broken many have been over the years
47
11/02/2021 12:45:35 2 1
bbc
Indeed! So, which treaty do you want to break first?
37
11/02/2021 12:30:21 6 7
bbc
The EU have shown their disregard for the Irish with them being kept in the dark over the vaccine fiasco.

EU 'mainland' interests and its overwhelming, self-justifying bureaucracy are the only EU interests here, the true interests of the Irish will be disregarded time and time again.

Ireland doesn't 'belong' in the EU (it has no land border with the EU) and will continue to be abused by the EU.
48
11/02/2021 12:47:12 2 2
bbc
The Irish Freedom Party have said that a massive EU factory fishing vessel has been hoovering up fish reserves off the coast of Kerry and landing them back in EU mainland ports. The EU has little true regard for the welfare of citizens living in Ireland, North or South, I fear?
37
11/02/2021 12:30:21 6 7
bbc
The EU have shown their disregard for the Irish with them being kept in the dark over the vaccine fiasco.

EU 'mainland' interests and its overwhelming, self-justifying bureaucracy are the only EU interests here, the true interests of the Irish will be disregarded time and time again.

Ireland doesn't 'belong' in the EU (it has no land border with the EU) and will continue to be abused by the EU.
49
11/02/2021 12:50:25 4 2
bbc
The Irish are perfectly happy in the EU.
All Johnsons bluster about 'they need us more...', etc, and his rabid followers cries of 'just walk away boris, they'll come crawling back' have been shot to pieces - that's the very reason you're here, posting what you did.
Also, Johnson said no Irish sea border (over my dead body), a few weeks ago he denied it's existence & now he's whining about it?
??
23
11/02/2021 12:09:51 5 7
bbc
Tell the EU to shove it.
The UK will not erect a border.
If the EU DOES then they are solely responsible for the consequences.
50
11/02/2021 12:48:47 2 1
bbc
They already have....d'oh!
46
11/02/2021 12:35:49 1 1
bbc
I don’t know so it certainly wasn’t myself, and is something that I would never condone.
51
11/02/2021 12:54:03 1 1
bbc
If you're going to make sweeping statements it's best to take the trouble to find out first.
Then at least you'll be more accurate & up to date.
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11/02/2021 13:06:21 0 1
bbc
I was specifically referring to some historic hys postings, as stated in my original post.

Nationalism of any colour has the potential to seed violence and go against the GFA, and therefore must be condemned full stop.
28
11/02/2021 12:16:22 3 0
bbc
At the point of entry into the Republic. One must provide documentary evidence of entitlement to avail of the CTA. That’s normally a passport.
52
11/02/2021 12:55:20 1 0
bbc
But, having gained access to the RoI legally, how do you intend to stop those people entering the UK illegally across the land border in Ireland? Or, are you saying that, post Brexit, anyone entering the RoI from anywhere in the World has an automatic right to enter the UK?
53
11/02/2021 12:57:17 4 1
bbc
Be careful what you vote for.
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JJS
11/02/2021 14:35:14 3 2
bbc
The UK voted out of the EU, that is WTO or no-strings FTA (no sovereign compromises). What the Conservatives have done is neither of the things that the UK people voted for. That is the responsibility of the politicians, not the responsibility of the UK public nor what was voted for.
33
11/02/2021 12:21:27 10 3
bbc
Voted to leave the EU to 'take back control'?
Now they're in the UK telling you what to do?
EU won't ever put a border in Ireland & the British certainly won't, so the protocol's here to stay.
When you voted for brexit did you figure out who's going to stop some1 from landing in Dublin, taking an hours drive, crossing a field and hopping over a hedge into the UK?
I bet it never entered your mind.
54
11/02/2021 12:58:10 2 0
bbc
My point exactly!
43
11/02/2021 12:34:19 1 0
bbc
Let’s not get pedantic now I am fully aware that some Republican border counties are in Ulster province. I even know that Meath used to be a province itself. It’s just been easier, quicker, practical etc to refer to the ???? NI map border line as the Ulster border.

Apologies if I’ve offended anyone.
55
11/02/2021 12:58:11 1 0
bbc
There's a difference between pedantry and accuracy.

It's a bit like saying Dumfries & Galloway is in England and calling someone pedantic for correcting you?
No offence taken.
6
11/02/2021 11:04:52 6 3
bbc
“EU say that current NI protocol is "the only way" to protect the GFA, and to hard border on the island of Ireland”.

Factually incorrect. The way that a hard Ulster border is avoided, is simply by the EU avoiding it.

The EU have already shown that they were not prepared to use article 16 in this illegal way - Brussels know they will not dare shatter the GFA and attract UN global condemnation.
56
11/02/2021 12:58:26 1 0
bbc
Learn the difference between NI and Ulster.
42
11/02/2021 12:40:43 1 0
bbc
BUT, RoI have signed EU membership treaties which demand that it controls the EU's external borders. Post Brexit, that includes the land border between the EU and the UK in Ireland. This didn't matter before as both UK and RoI were in EU and those passports checks were done at Shannon/Dublin, etc. by Irish border guards. Who is now doing that on behalf of the UK and where is it done?
57
11/02/2021 12:55:25 3 0
bbc
Foreign nationals arriving in Irish ports of entry are required to have a valid visa if they wish to travel on to the UK. As part of the CTA they will be stopped from travelling onward if they don't.

Should they slip the net their passports will be checked again when trying to board at an NI port.

It's not that difficult to understand.
67
11/02/2021 13:26:16 2 0
bbc
Given that, according to the ferry websites, no I.D. is required on internal UK ferries between NI and GB, why should people seeking to enter the UK illegally feel the need to present a passport at a NI port? Why should they feel the need to tell the Irish border guards that they wish to travel on to the UK, if they are seeking to enter the UK illegally?
58
11/02/2021 12:59:03 1 2
bbc
The EU and Irish are right that the British protocol is the best way from their view to scuttle both American and UK trade agreements with EU with backstops but that will not stop the UK having free movement of exports and imports within the UK , with the trading partners of both the UK and the protocol cannot work with tariffs and UK will pay the tariffs to EU .
59
11/02/2021 12:59:41 19 4
bbc
"Arlene Foster, accused Mr Sefcovic of "putting his head in the sand and his fingers in his ears" over concerns her party - the DUP - had raised. " Good God this woman is good at accusing others of doing what she and her party have done forever. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
38
11/02/2021 12:31:03 5 3
bbc
Take a look at the UK fatality rate.
I'd sooner be alive & poorly.
60
11/02/2021 13:00:19 1 2
bbc
The mortality rate in the ROI has increased markedly over the last week and unless the vaccine programme is improved will continue to do so. If NI is sharing vaccines with any other country it should be with the ROI due to the shared land border. The Taoiseach seems to recognize this and would be a valuable ally in sorting out the present difficulties. Long term no bad thing for NI just ask Scots.
76
11/02/2021 14:20:05 2 0
bbc
The vaccine
issue was sorted in a matter of hrs, the EU apologised & most of us moved on.
UK fatality rate is one of the highest in the world, Irelands isn't.
Why shouldn't i point that out to ppl - most of whom are spitting their dummies because they're starting to realise, late in the day, that they didn't 'hold all the cards'?
They should look at the pigs ear Johnson & co make of everything.
12
11/02/2021 11:29:37 1 0
bbc
What a numpty!
62
11/02/2021 13:01:15 8 7
bbc
“EU warning”. Not like the EU to warn and threaten. Unless, that is, somebody dare to question their policy logic and pragmatism.

The EU spit the dummy out every time somebody questions their failing policies. Usually a warning followed by a threat. Poland and Hungary haven’t given in....unfortunately Greece and Italy did.
75
11/02/2021 14:13:08 10 4
bbc
Still crying?
You were put in your box last time & here you are back posting the same thing.
'They need us more.....', 'walk away boris, they'll come crawling back', etc, before they turned Johnson inside out and you're still crying.
The only thing you have left is posting the same anti-eu drivel every time you pop up.
Tough!
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r80
11/02/2021 14:31:27 1 0
bbc
Only problem with Poland and Hungary is that those countries r looking more and more like a dictatorships not european democracies :(
136
11/02/2021 22:23:17 0 0
bbc
Italy hasn't yet. The thing about Italy is they are so corrupt they like being in the EU. The problem is, as a country they'll never progress in the Euro without the changes Germany demands, but then those changes will ruin the profits of corruption. Catch 22. IF Draghi aims to push Italy like the ECB did Greece, it might all explode. Should make it into a TV series.
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TT
11/02/2021 13:09:41 7 2
bbc
"Preserving post-Brexit trading rules for goods moving between Great Britain and Northern Ireland is "the only way" to avoid a hard border"

No, these "rules" have just created a different hard border that is stopping trade - it's in the Irish sea, between GB and NI!
68
11/02/2021 13:26:49 4 1
bbc
The British Government will not have a hard border or checking at GB ports from the EU single market in Ireland from NI ports
70
11/02/2021 13:41:54 2 0
bbc
The question is where do we want the border, in the Irish sea or between NI and ROI?
74
11/02/2021 14:09:18 2 0
bbc
What's your alternative?
171
12/02/2021 13:40:03 0 0
bbc
Brexit vote was a vote for borders, - and it won.

So, what's your point?
51
11/02/2021 12:54:03 1 1
bbc
If you're going to make sweeping statements it's best to take the trouble to find out first.
Then at least you'll be more accurate & up to date.
64
11/02/2021 13:06:21 0 1
bbc
I was specifically referring to some historic hys postings, as stated in my original post.

Nationalism of any colour has the potential to seed violence and go against the GFA, and therefore must be condemned full stop.
92
11/02/2021 16:36:12 0 0
bbc
It was the extremes of British nationalism, and imperialism, that got us where we are, both historically and recently.
Nothing wrong with nationalism, until you start thinking other nations should be under your control. The Irish have never wanted to be subject to it, or been the perpetrators of it.
65
11/02/2021 13:17:06 2 1
bbc
The British will go ahead with the tariffs with EU and there is no tariffs on the island of Ireland with the British protocol and no checking or tariffs at British ports from NI at British ports and its impossible for the protocol to work with tariffs and without UK co operation
130
11/02/2021 22:10:27 0 2
bbc
The UK should just ignore the protocol, just let goods flow, let Ursula put up another hard border in Ireland if she dare.
22
11/02/2021 12:06:49 4 1
bbc
The British are still lying through their teeth to families of innocent victims here.
The EU played no part in any of that.
The UK being a NATO member didn't do much for the Iraqis?
66
11/02/2021 13:18:00 1 3
bbc
Would that be the innocent victims of the Shankill and La Mon and Oxford Street bombings, the secterian, Kingsmill Massacre or Enniskillen. When are the public inquiries for these outrages happening ? I suppose you would be happier if Sadam Hussain was still in power .
78
11/02/2021 14:25:45 1 0
bbc
Every single incident you mentioned was fully investigated at the time. Many people spent many yrs in prison. Even the UK Supreme court has ruled that the deaths of entirely innocent people here were deliberately not investigated, even facilitated.
That's the difference.
79
11/02/2021 14:30:45 2 0
bbc
Re: Saddam, ask relatives of the 300,000+ if they'd prefer what they had as they survey the destruction of their land.
Selling arms to the Saudis to butcher civilians in Yemen & bigging up Iraq?
UK was the only country on earth that would touch Pinochet with a bargepole & have worked hand-in-glove with far worse than Saddam when it suited.
They're in Iraq because US wanted to spread the blame.
57
11/02/2021 12:55:25 3 0
bbc
Foreign nationals arriving in Irish ports of entry are required to have a valid visa if they wish to travel on to the UK. As part of the CTA they will be stopped from travelling onward if they don't.

Should they slip the net their passports will be checked again when trying to board at an NI port.

It's not that difficult to understand.
67
11/02/2021 13:26:16 2 0
bbc
Given that, according to the ferry websites, no I.D. is required on internal UK ferries between NI and GB, why should people seeking to enter the UK illegally feel the need to present a passport at a NI port? Why should they feel the need to tell the Irish border guards that they wish to travel on to the UK, if they are seeking to enter the UK illegally?
63
TT
11/02/2021 13:09:41 7 2
bbc
"Preserving post-Brexit trading rules for goods moving between Great Britain and Northern Ireland is "the only way" to avoid a hard border"

No, these "rules" have just created a different hard border that is stopping trade - it's in the Irish sea, between GB and NI!
68
11/02/2021 13:26:49 4 1
bbc
The British Government will not have a hard border or checking at GB ports from the EU single market in Ireland from NI ports
26
11/02/2021 12:13:51 4 1
bbc
Ulster has 9 counties, with 2.25m people, not 6 counties of 1.8m.
The EU have done nothing to jeopardise the GFA.
I read it in it's entirety before i voted for it, did you?
69
11/02/2021 13:34:12 2 1
bbc
I think he means the "north of Ireland " or perhaps the repressive northern statelet. Chill out , he's only using Ulster colloquially much the same as referring to the ROI as Eire ( without the diacritic) and yes we do know strictly speaking this refers to the whole island. Big clap for having read the whole of the GFA , you mustn't have a TV.
72
11/02/2021 14:00:43 2 0
bbc
Reading the agreement's one thing, whether or not i have a tv, which i've always had, is irrelevant.
We were all given a copy to read before we endorsed it via our vote.
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TT
11/02/2021 13:09:41 7 2
bbc
"Preserving post-Brexit trading rules for goods moving between Great Britain and Northern Ireland is "the only way" to avoid a hard border"

No, these "rules" have just created a different hard border that is stopping trade - it's in the Irish sea, between GB and NI!
70
11/02/2021 13:41:54 2 0
bbc
The question is where do we want the border, in the Irish sea or between NI and ROI?
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PR
11/02/2021 13:40:47 6 1
bbc
There are a lot of comments regarding the Belfast Agreement and the border. There is no mention of the border in the Belfast Agreement.
73
11/02/2021 14:07:59 12 4
bbc
Quite right but it mentions '..close cooperation between their countries as friendly neighbours and as partners in the European Union".

Brexit in any form challenges the GFA, Ireland didn't vote for it, the majority in the north voted against it & the protocol is the only option.
The DUP have spent wks moaning & critcising but haven't even explained what their alternative is (or won't admit it).
96
11/02/2021 17:19:16 0 0
bbc
The Belfast Agreement mentions the word "border" 10 times in its 35 pages.
69
11/02/2021 13:34:12 2 1
bbc
I think he means the "north of Ireland " or perhaps the repressive northern statelet. Chill out , he's only using Ulster colloquially much the same as referring to the ROI as Eire ( without the diacritic) and yes we do know strictly speaking this refers to the whole island. Big clap for having read the whole of the GFA , you mustn't have a TV.
72
11/02/2021 14:00:43 2 0
bbc
Reading the agreement's one thing, whether or not i have a tv, which i've always had, is irrelevant.
We were all given a copy to read before we endorsed it via our vote.
71
PR
11/02/2021 13:40:47 6 1
bbc
There are a lot of comments regarding the Belfast Agreement and the border. There is no mention of the border in the Belfast Agreement.
73
11/02/2021 14:07:59 12 4
bbc
Quite right but it mentions '..close cooperation between their countries as friendly neighbours and as partners in the European Union".

Brexit in any form challenges the GFA, Ireland didn't vote for it, the majority in the north voted against it & the protocol is the only option.
The DUP have spent wks moaning & critcising but haven't even explained what their alternative is (or won't admit it).
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JJS
11/02/2021 14:31:32 5 1
bbc
The alternative is whatever border infrastructure is necessary between the ROI and NI. The GFA allows for appropriate border infrastructure, so no problem there.
124
11/02/2021 21:59:26 0 2
bbc
No it doesn't the EU started a trade war & created the disaster, they stuffed it all. The NI protocol is in bits, courtesy of Ursula and her vaccine spat with AstraZeneca.
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TT
11/02/2021 13:09:41 7 2
bbc
"Preserving post-Brexit trading rules for goods moving between Great Britain and Northern Ireland is "the only way" to avoid a hard border"

No, these "rules" have just created a different hard border that is stopping trade - it's in the Irish sea, between GB and NI!
74
11/02/2021 14:09:18 2 0
bbc
What's your alternative?
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JJS
11/02/2021 14:32:54 2 2
bbc
Appropriate border infrastructure between the ROI and NI, as it should always have been on the UK leaving the EU. If the ROI wants to leave the EU, then perhaps that can change.
62
11/02/2021 13:01:15 8 7
bbc
“EU warning”. Not like the EU to warn and threaten. Unless, that is, somebody dare to question their policy logic and pragmatism.

The EU spit the dummy out every time somebody questions their failing policies. Usually a warning followed by a threat. Poland and Hungary haven’t given in....unfortunately Greece and Italy did.
75
11/02/2021 14:13:08 10 4
bbc
Still crying?
You were put in your box last time & here you are back posting the same thing.
'They need us more.....', 'walk away boris, they'll come crawling back', etc, before they turned Johnson inside out and you're still crying.
The only thing you have left is posting the same anti-eu drivel every time you pop up.
Tough!
137
11/02/2021 22:26:03 0 0
bbc
LOL put in his box? So how did you find Ursula's 45 minute hard border in the vaccine war, in fact how did you find out? Like your Government, via the news feeds? Ursula lit the blue touch paper but didn't retire quickly enough, impressive given it was allover in an hour. The echoes of the explosion and its consequences are still reverberating across the EU. Nice one Ursula ;-)
60
11/02/2021 13:00:19 1 2
bbc
The mortality rate in the ROI has increased markedly over the last week and unless the vaccine programme is improved will continue to do so. If NI is sharing vaccines with any other country it should be with the ROI due to the shared land border. The Taoiseach seems to recognize this and would be a valuable ally in sorting out the present difficulties. Long term no bad thing for NI just ask Scots.
76
11/02/2021 14:20:05 2 0
bbc
The vaccine
issue was sorted in a matter of hrs, the EU apologised & most of us moved on.
UK fatality rate is one of the highest in the world, Irelands isn't.
Why shouldn't i point that out to ppl - most of whom are spitting their dummies because they're starting to realise, late in the day, that they didn't 'hold all the cards'?
They should look at the pigs ear Johnson & co make of everything.
77
11/02/2021 14:25:30 10 13
bbc
The EU will use the Protocol to threaten and intimidate the UK, IT HAS TO GO!!

In some ways it reminds me of why the Berlin airlift was introduce, very worrying indeed.

If anything the Protocol is the catalyst that will break the Good Friday Agreement, and it will be all down to the EU attitude.
84
11/02/2021 14:45:52 2 3
bbc
???? rinsed the ??
You're ??
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95
11/02/2021 17:16:28 3 1
bbc
The UK needs a lesson in humility.
Or, rather, England does.
66
11/02/2021 13:18:00 1 3
bbc
Would that be the innocent victims of the Shankill and La Mon and Oxford Street bombings, the secterian, Kingsmill Massacre or Enniskillen. When are the public inquiries for these outrages happening ? I suppose you would be happier if Sadam Hussain was still in power .
78
11/02/2021 14:25:45 1 0
bbc
Every single incident you mentioned was fully investigated at the time. Many people spent many yrs in prison. Even the UK Supreme court has ruled that the deaths of entirely innocent people here were deliberately not investigated, even facilitated.
That's the difference.
66
11/02/2021 13:18:00 1 3
bbc
Would that be the innocent victims of the Shankill and La Mon and Oxford Street bombings, the secterian, Kingsmill Massacre or Enniskillen. When are the public inquiries for these outrages happening ? I suppose you would be happier if Sadam Hussain was still in power .
79
11/02/2021 14:30:45 2 0
bbc
Re: Saddam, ask relatives of the 300,000+ if they'd prefer what they had as they survey the destruction of their land.
Selling arms to the Saudis to butcher civilians in Yemen & bigging up Iraq?
UK was the only country on earth that would touch Pinochet with a bargepole & have worked hand-in-glove with far worse than Saddam when it suited.
They're in Iraq because US wanted to spread the blame.
73
11/02/2021 14:07:59 12 4
bbc
Quite right but it mentions '..close cooperation between their countries as friendly neighbours and as partners in the European Union".

Brexit in any form challenges the GFA, Ireland didn't vote for it, the majority in the north voted against it & the protocol is the only option.
The DUP have spent wks moaning & critcising but haven't even explained what their alternative is (or won't admit it).
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JJS
11/02/2021 14:31:32 5 1
bbc
The alternative is whatever border infrastructure is necessary between the ROI and NI. The GFA allows for appropriate border infrastructure, so no problem there.
85
11/02/2021 14:48:22 2 4
bbc
No it doesn't.
There won't be any border on the island of Ireland again, ever.
The protocol - Johnsons work which he willingly signed up to - stays.
Most people in the north of Ireland support it.
74
11/02/2021 14:09:18 2 0
bbc
What's your alternative?
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JJS
11/02/2021 14:32:54 2 2
bbc
Appropriate border infrastructure between the ROI and NI, as it should always have been on the UK leaving the EU. If the ROI wants to leave the EU, then perhaps that can change.
88
11/02/2021 15:17:17 1 0
bbc
This makes sense logically of course but, at what cost to the peace in NI and to businesses either side of the border? It also flies in the face of what the large majority in NI want.
To introduce a hard border in Ireland on the basis that it is the border between the UK and EU will also set a huge precedent for the Scottish/English border, should an independent Scotland rejoin the EU.
91
11/02/2021 16:28:57 3 0
bbc
Except ROI hasn't, nor do they wish to, leave the EU.
You leave the EU & think the Irish should follow suit just to suit you? ??

Few in Britain gave a thought to Ireland before they voted so why should i take any of the constant whining seriously - the UK pm willingly signed up to what we have.
There won't be 'appropriate border infrastructure' in Ireland ever again??
62
11/02/2021 13:01:15 8 7
bbc
“EU warning”. Not like the EU to warn and threaten. Unless, that is, somebody dare to question their policy logic and pragmatism.

The EU spit the dummy out every time somebody questions their failing policies. Usually a warning followed by a threat. Poland and Hungary haven’t given in....unfortunately Greece and Italy did.
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r80
11/02/2021 14:31:27 1 0
bbc
Only problem with Poland and Hungary is that those countries r looking more and more like a dictatorships not european democracies :(
53
11/02/2021 12:57:17 4 1
bbc
Be careful what you vote for.
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JJS
11/02/2021 14:35:14 3 2
bbc
The UK voted out of the EU, that is WTO or no-strings FTA (no sovereign compromises). What the Conservatives have done is neither of the things that the UK people voted for. That is the responsibility of the politicians, not the responsibility of the UK public nor what was voted for.
87
11/02/2021 14:53:39 2 0
bbc
So, when you voted how did you envisage checking people who could fly into Dublin take an hrs drive, cross a field & jump over a hedge into the UK?
I bet you never even thought about it & you voted to take back control of your borders - which nobody ever stopped you controlling?
There won't be a land border in Ireland, you'd better get used to it.
77
11/02/2021 14:25:30 10 13
bbc
The EU will use the Protocol to threaten and intimidate the UK, IT HAS TO GO!!

In some ways it reminds me of why the Berlin airlift was introduce, very worrying indeed.

If anything the Protocol is the catalyst that will break the Good Friday Agreement, and it will be all down to the EU attitude.
84
11/02/2021 14:45:52 2 3
bbc
???? rinsed the ??
You're ??
??????
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JJS
11/02/2021 14:31:32 5 1
bbc
The alternative is whatever border infrastructure is necessary between the ROI and NI. The GFA allows for appropriate border infrastructure, so no problem there.
85
11/02/2021 14:48:22 2 4
bbc
No it doesn't.
There won't be any border on the island of Ireland again, ever.
The protocol - Johnsons work which he willingly signed up to - stays.
Most people in the north of Ireland support it.
89
11/02/2021 15:34:56 1 0
bbc
I agree with you in as much as there has never been an enforceable border on the island
86
11/02/2021 14:49:30 15 7
bbc
UK, Welcome to Brexit! You don't like it? Pity. You don't like the Agreement allowing you to the largest common market in the world? No problem: Sayonara!
100
11/02/2021 18:37:20 1 3
bbc
Precisely and multumesc!
122
11/02/2021 21:54:40 1 0
bbc
Hey Doc, butt out, you don't know what you are talking about, and don't ask Ursula either, her 45 minute border in a vaccine war is what caused this. IF the EU can do what it did, as everyone points out, the EU just handed the Unionists a penalty kick into an open goal.
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JJS
11/02/2021 14:35:14 3 2
bbc
The UK voted out of the EU, that is WTO or no-strings FTA (no sovereign compromises). What the Conservatives have done is neither of the things that the UK people voted for. That is the responsibility of the politicians, not the responsibility of the UK public nor what was voted for.
87
11/02/2021 14:53:39 2 0
bbc
So, when you voted how did you envisage checking people who could fly into Dublin take an hrs drive, cross a field & jump over a hedge into the UK?
I bet you never even thought about it & you voted to take back control of your borders - which nobody ever stopped you controlling?
There won't be a land border in Ireland, you'd better get used to it.
125
11/02/2021 22:02:21 0 0
bbc
sigh, we didn't put up a land border, the EU did, if you had any sense you'd realise that the FTA which Ireland and the UK had for almost a century in clear enough, it is the EU wanting the hard border & implementing one, at least for 45 mins. So is Ireland Sovereign or not? Who decides the NI border, Ireland or the EU? The UK won't put one up, the EU demand one. It's Ireland's & EU's problem.
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JJS
11/02/2021 14:32:54 2 2
bbc
Appropriate border infrastructure between the ROI and NI, as it should always have been on the UK leaving the EU. If the ROI wants to leave the EU, then perhaps that can change.
88
11/02/2021 15:17:17 1 0
bbc
This makes sense logically of course but, at what cost to the peace in NI and to businesses either side of the border? It also flies in the face of what the large majority in NI want.
To introduce a hard border in Ireland on the basis that it is the border between the UK and EU will also set a huge precedent for the Scottish/English border, should an independent Scotland rejoin the EU.
85
11/02/2021 14:48:22 2 4
bbc
No it doesn't.
There won't be any border on the island of Ireland again, ever.
The protocol - Johnsons work which he willingly signed up to - stays.
Most people in the north of Ireland support it.
89
11/02/2021 15:34:56 1 0
bbc
I agree with you in as much as there has never been an enforceable border on the island
90
11/02/2021 16:28:46 4 5
bbc
Is the so called GFA all 1 sided or what as every time sf/ira spit their dummies out they get what they want by threating trouble will come back and all the muppets north/south even Boris all fall for it every time grow a back bone and stand up to these muppets ASAP
94
11/02/2021 17:15:14 5 1
bbc
Why do you need to ask? It is easy to check for yourself. Easy to find and, at a mere 35 pages, easy to read.

A brief summary for the lazy and/or hard of comprehension, it relies HEAVILY on making the border invisible by the regulatory alignment on both sides of it. This was automatic while both sides were in the EU but has to be guaranteed explicitly now.
98
11/02/2021 17:38:44 1 0
bbc
The protocol's staying.
Rather than whining and blaming everyone else take it up with your pm who signed up to it ??
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JJS
11/02/2021 14:32:54 2 2
bbc
Appropriate border infrastructure between the ROI and NI, as it should always have been on the UK leaving the EU. If the ROI wants to leave the EU, then perhaps that can change.
91
11/02/2021 16:28:57 3 0
bbc
Except ROI hasn't, nor do they wish to, leave the EU.
You leave the EU & think the Irish should follow suit just to suit you? ??

Few in Britain gave a thought to Ireland before they voted so why should i take any of the constant whining seriously - the UK pm willingly signed up to what we have.
There won't be 'appropriate border infrastructure' in Ireland ever again??
64
11/02/2021 13:06:21 0 1
bbc
I was specifically referring to some historic hys postings, as stated in my original post.

Nationalism of any colour has the potential to seed violence and go against the GFA, and therefore must be condemned full stop.
92
11/02/2021 16:36:12 0 0
bbc
It was the extremes of British nationalism, and imperialism, that got us where we are, both historically and recently.
Nothing wrong with nationalism, until you start thinking other nations should be under your control. The Irish have never wanted to be subject to it, or been the perpetrators of it.
93
11/02/2021 17:11:27 3 7
bbc
I've said it before and I'm more and more convinced that if a Hard Border between Eire and NI is out of the question, it is not at all acceptable that a border be placed within the UK so NO border in the Irish Sea. That means that Eire MUST accept a customs border between Eire and mainland Europe. That way no country is split.
97
11/02/2021 17:37:18 9 3
bbc
Why would 'Eire' have a customs border with mainland Europe?
You haven't a clue, have you?
99
11/02/2021 18:23:37 3 1
bbc
Truth, be told, that would solve a few things. That said, why would Ireland do that, why would the EU allow that, and on what grounds does the UK have the demand they do that? The UK broke away on their own, and wanted to keep zero tariffs and for that the EU requires substantial checks. Hence why people complain why trading with the EU is a pain unless you are in the EU.
107
11/02/2021 19:32:53 1 1
bbc
Why? Sure there's a good enough customs border in the Irish sea between the island of Britain and the continent of Europe. You need to keep up before you lose the run of yourself.
113
11/02/2021 20:06:32 2 0
bbc
Why should they? NI got taken away by UK. It's our mess not the Irish.
114
11/02/2021 20:08:04 3 0
bbc
And Ireland wants to remain in the EU ! You want a war with the Republic of Ireland? Of course ! Rule Britannia comes to mind !!
149
11/02/2021 23:33:08 0 0
bbc
"...not at all acceptable that a border be placed within the UK so NO border in the Irish Sea."

You shouldh ave told BJ that.You know, before he signed up for it.
90
11/02/2021 16:28:46 4 5
bbc
Is the so called GFA all 1 sided or what as every time sf/ira spit their dummies out they get what they want by threating trouble will come back and all the muppets north/south even Boris all fall for it every time grow a back bone and stand up to these muppets ASAP
94
11/02/2021 17:15:14 5 1
bbc
Why do you need to ask? It is easy to check for yourself. Easy to find and, at a mere 35 pages, easy to read.

A brief summary for the lazy and/or hard of comprehension, it relies HEAVILY on making the border invisible by the regulatory alignment on both sides of it. This was automatic while both sides were in the EU but has to be guaranteed explicitly now.
134
11/02/2021 22:17:47 0 0
bbc
Not so, there doesn't have to be regulatory alignment, if there was the IRA wouldn't be shooting Garda who investigate their excise duty smuggling of agricultural diesel etc. across the current border.
77
11/02/2021 14:25:30 10 13
bbc
The EU will use the Protocol to threaten and intimidate the UK, IT HAS TO GO!!

In some ways it reminds me of why the Berlin airlift was introduce, very worrying indeed.

If anything the Protocol is the catalyst that will break the Good Friday Agreement, and it will be all down to the EU attitude.
95
11/02/2021 17:16:28 3 1
bbc
The UK needs a lesson in humility.
Or, rather, England does.
135
11/02/2021 22:20:30 0 1
bbc
Ursula tried that 2 weeks ago, didn't work out very well,Ursula getting spanked for it by every country that had ordered Pfizer's vaccine & those most involved in the GFA. I have to say, it couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch. The Might EU starts a vaccine war on the UK and retreats, tail between legs within and hour and denies they did it. How are the mighty fallen ;-)
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PR
11/02/2021 13:40:47 6 1
bbc
There are a lot of comments regarding the Belfast Agreement and the border. There is no mention of the border in the Belfast Agreement.
96
11/02/2021 17:19:16 0 0
bbc
The Belfast Agreement mentions the word "border" 10 times in its 35 pages.
93
11/02/2021 17:11:27 3 7
bbc
I've said it before and I'm more and more convinced that if a Hard Border between Eire and NI is out of the question, it is not at all acceptable that a border be placed within the UK so NO border in the Irish Sea. That means that Eire MUST accept a customs border between Eire and mainland Europe. That way no country is split.
97
11/02/2021 17:37:18 9 3
bbc
Why would 'Eire' have a customs border with mainland Europe?
You haven't a clue, have you?
141
11/02/2021 22:33:59 0 1
bbc
Why would NI have one with the UK - grow up, try understanding what is going on. Sigh, I can see why Ursula ignored the Irish before almost starting the troubles again. As my Grandfather said, 'all we smart Irish emigrated to England' Thank heaven he did, so now I'm a Englishman born! `
90
11/02/2021 16:28:46 4 5
bbc
Is the so called GFA all 1 sided or what as every time sf/ira spit their dummies out they get what they want by threating trouble will come back and all the muppets north/south even Boris all fall for it every time grow a back bone and stand up to these muppets ASAP
98
11/02/2021 17:38:44 1 0
bbc
The protocol's staying.
Rather than whining and blaming everyone else take it up with your pm who signed up to it ??
93
11/02/2021 17:11:27 3 7
bbc
I've said it before and I'm more and more convinced that if a Hard Border between Eire and NI is out of the question, it is not at all acceptable that a border be placed within the UK so NO border in the Irish Sea. That means that Eire MUST accept a customs border between Eire and mainland Europe. That way no country is split.
99
11/02/2021 18:23:37 3 1
bbc
Truth, be told, that would solve a few things. That said, why would Ireland do that, why would the EU allow that, and on what grounds does the UK have the demand they do that? The UK broke away on their own, and wanted to keep zero tariffs and for that the EU requires substantial checks. Hence why people complain why trading with the EU is a pain unless you are in the EU.
86
11/02/2021 14:49:30 15 7
bbc
UK, Welcome to Brexit! You don't like it? Pity. You don't like the Agreement allowing you to the largest common market in the world? No problem: Sayonara!
100
11/02/2021 18:37:20 1 3
bbc
Precisely and multumesc!