Four English councils get emergency government funding
11/02/2021 | news | politics | 222
Eastbourne, Bexley, Luton and Peterborough will be able to borrow more to fund day-to-day costs.
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11/02/2021 10:44:51 5 14
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Once councils dont get their council tax , business rates , rents et al from April they gonna be totally screwed!! Made up of people who have lost their jobs , lost their businesses so have NO money and those who reasonable likely will REFUSE to pay due to councils aiding and abetting thebreach of the Human Right to WORK!!! Dug their own financial graves really
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11/02/2021 11:28:04 7 0
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What are you prattling on about ?

Weirdo.
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11/02/2021 11:44:28 5 1
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You don’t have an option on Council tax, if you don’t pay it you end up in court an there is no defence, so you get find as well.
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11/02/2021 10:46:20 15 14
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OMG this is the start of UK insolvency. Where is the tax going to come from to pay for services. I see today Amsterdam is now a bigger share trader city than London stock exchange. Once the financial services goes then everything else will follow. Well done the Brexit camp.
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11/02/2021 11:36:38 3 2
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London is still king for now. It has 30% of the European market still. They can not onshore this. It would be a major error costs would spiral. The risk of failure if they try to move the €1trillon Euro swap market is to big. The people and infrastructure is not in place and would take years and threaten the EU financial stability. Equivalency based on Global rules is needed.
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11/02/2021 10:42:56 28 4
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Luton Council is a disgrace, they have wasted millions on unwanted glory plans and needless bureaucratic mistakes, now we must bail them out ?
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11/02/2021 11:55:43 11 0
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Relying on Luton Airport for a majority of income without a contingency plan has worked out well for them during the pandemic...
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DSA
11/02/2021 10:49:26 34 10
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Councils really need a purge on the jobsworths who pick up large salaries and achieve very little other than generating masses of red tape and beaurocracy.

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11/02/2021 11:19:22 9 21
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Be grateful you don't live in Bristol - wasted tens of millions on a "green" energy supplier and then bought a whole new fleet of DIESEL council vehicles.

What this country needs is a labour govt and tory controlled councils.
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11/02/2021 10:50:01 34 9
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Tameside Council (where my business is based) spent £60m on new council offices recently to replace the 40 year old ones as an "efficiency saving" that will take 100 years to break even.

They have been closed with all employees working from home, or furloughed on full pay.

And we wonder why councils are running out of money.
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11/02/2021 10:56:53 17 6
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& they’ll still have to pay taxi fares back and to to London for ex prisoners-see priti Patel story
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11/02/2021 10:50:01 34 9
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Tameside Council (where my business is based) spent £60m on new council offices recently to replace the 40 year old ones as an "efficiency saving" that will take 100 years to break even.

They have been closed with all employees working from home, or furloughed on full pay.

And we wonder why councils are running out of money.
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11/02/2021 10:56:53 17 6
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& they’ll still have to pay taxi fares back and to to London for ex prisoners-see priti Patel story
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11/02/2021 12:27:07 5 1
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What has that to do with your local council?
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11/02/2021 10:58:26 16 13
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Make councillors personally liable for council debts, that will soon stop their wayward spending habits.
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11/02/2021 11:19:47 13 3
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If you do that, what idiot would stand to be a councillor.
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11/02/2021 11:02:21 32 8
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Maybe councils should stop investing millions into failing shopping centres, bankrupt energy companies and trim bloated council salaries where the council leader earns more than the PM and focus on what a council should focus on... looking after the local area!
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11/02/2021 11:06:12 9 12
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Councils are sitting on billions of pounds of reserves. Time to start using it.
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11/02/2021 11:35:33 6 3
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Care to prove that, or is it just another NF member trying to wind people up.
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11/02/2021 12:26:01 4 2
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I think you need to understand local government, what your councils do, and just how they are funded before you can make such a daft statement..
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11/02/2021 12:40:50 5 0
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Not many councils have much in reserve now.
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11/02/2021 11:08:28 21 7
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Start reducing the 6 figure salaries of the execs and pay them a more reasonable salary. Cut down on councillor expenses. Review what posts are actually essential and get rid of the “touchy feelly PC” roles. Total independent review of any planned big spending projects.

But mostly, just sensible budgeting - look at the taxpayers money as being their own money and budget and balance accordingly.
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11/02/2021 11:14:28 9 2
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Agree just look at that rabble in Handforth.Justhope they’re not representative of all parish councils
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11/02/2021 11:09:17 22 13
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All four in the southern half of England. This must be Johnson's levelling-up agenda in full swing.
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11/02/2021 11:50:40 20 8
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They are mainly Labour councils.
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11/02/2021 12:58:01 8 4
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Th South of England receives the lowest amount of central government funding for local government - it is the most reliant region on council tax to fund services. For decades Southern taxes have been transferred to the north to fund northern expenditure which is why northern councils are disproportionately funded by central government.
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11/02/2021 11:08:28 21 7
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Start reducing the 6 figure salaries of the execs and pay them a more reasonable salary. Cut down on councillor expenses. Review what posts are actually essential and get rid of the “touchy feelly PC” roles. Total independent review of any planned big spending projects.

But mostly, just sensible budgeting - look at the taxpayers money as being their own money and budget and balance accordingly.
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11/02/2021 11:14:28 9 2
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Agree just look at that rabble in Handforth.Justhope they’re not representative of all parish councils
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11/02/2021 11:35:13 3 3
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Yes Conservative ones.
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11/02/2021 14:33:03 1 0
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I sat on a parish council for 10 years and we cared about spending because it was our, ours families and our communities money. That why parish councils work.

What hurts them is zero say on planning issues. Handforth debacle was a planning meeting.

Councils are struggling to keep up with local population growth too. But in our race to build that gets ignored.
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11/02/2021 11:17:43 40 10
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Maybe the Banksters can give the taxpayer its money back (and interest) to help us in our time of need.

Thought not.
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11/02/2021 11:28:51 7 6
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The UK gov could sell it stake in RBS it had sold all of its other holdings at a profit. I don`t think the Banks are in control of this one. What money is there to give back ?
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DSA
11/02/2021 10:49:26 34 10
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Councils really need a purge on the jobsworths who pick up large salaries and achieve very little other than generating masses of red tape and beaurocracy.

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11/02/2021 11:19:22 9 21
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Be grateful you don't live in Bristol - wasted tens of millions on a "green" energy supplier and then bought a whole new fleet of DIESEL council vehicles.

What this country needs is a labour govt and tory controlled councils.
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11/02/2021 11:51:25 2 3
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"a whole new fleet of DIESEL council vehicles." HGV's by any chance not many electric ones on the market.
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DSA
11/02/2021 14:01:30 6 2
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Wow, that would be novel, Tory councils thriving and improving everything for everyone whilst the Labour party finally achieves its long term target of bankrupting the country.
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11/02/2021 10:58:26 16 13
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Make councillors personally liable for council debts, that will soon stop their wayward spending habits.
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11/02/2021 11:19:47 13 3
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If you do that, what idiot would stand to be a councillor.
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11/02/2021 11:31:10 9 2
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Ones with a sense of financial probity with any luck.
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11/02/2021 12:06:26 4 0
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Hopefully someone better and more accountable than some of the idiots we have now.
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11/02/2021 10:44:51 5 14
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Once councils dont get their council tax , business rates , rents et al from April they gonna be totally screwed!! Made up of people who have lost their jobs , lost their businesses so have NO money and those who reasonable likely will REFUSE to pay due to councils aiding and abetting thebreach of the Human Right to WORK!!! Dug their own financial graves really
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11/02/2021 11:28:04 7 0
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What are you prattling on about ?

Weirdo.
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11/02/2021 11:17:43 40 10
bbc
Maybe the Banksters can give the taxpayer its money back (and interest) to help us in our time of need.

Thought not.
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11/02/2021 11:28:51 7 6
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The UK gov could sell it stake in RBS it had sold all of its other holdings at a profit. I don`t think the Banks are in control of this one. What money is there to give back ?
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11/02/2021 11:19:47 13 3
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If you do that, what idiot would stand to be a councillor.
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11/02/2021 11:31:10 9 2
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Ones with a sense of financial probity with any luck.
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11/02/2021 11:28:18 16 10
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Am I the only one who gets extremely angry when I see my council spending money on things like covid marshals?

I want to see my hard earned council tax being spent on useful services, not squandered in support of Downing Street's propaganda campaign.
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11/02/2021 12:24:39 7 0
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I think you will find that it isn't your Council Tax that pays for that, it's completely new / separate funding...
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11/02/2021 14:33:27 4 0
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All the COVID marshals around where l live are non paid volunteers and should be congratulated not politicised by someone with an alternative agenda.
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11/02/2021 11:32:43 36 2
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As a taxpayer I don't normally approve of the Govt dishing out cash to assorted "good causes". But the only obvious alternative in this case - raising Council Tax - is deeply flawed. The flaw is that Council Tax is not related to ability to pay. Council Tax has been rising faster than inflation, while many people have been on flat or falling incomes ...
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11/02/2021 11:33:36 25 8
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As a result, Council Tax is causing hardship to the people in that situation. It should be scrapped and replaced by something which which bears some relation to people's incomes and their ability to pay. That could be a local income tax, or failing that, then going back to a system of funds from central Govt - which ultimately comes from national income tax - is preferable.
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11/02/2021 11:36:11 6 9
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Time TO Punish the TORIES
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11/02/2021 18:15:48 3 2
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Absolutely everyone knows council tax is grossly unfair along with its partner business rates. Both must be scrapped and the money raised on incomes, corporate turnover and personal income, real new money people have, though the central system that has in place all the safeguards for the poor already. Space in no legitimate basis for any tax, just because it is easy and does not move.
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12/02/2021 13:19:54 0 0
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Shame this government has been dishing out trillions.....but only to their useless chums. I bet the council's will get a fraction of the amount they actually need.
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11/02/2021 11:32:43 36 2
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As a taxpayer I don't normally approve of the Govt dishing out cash to assorted "good causes". But the only obvious alternative in this case - raising Council Tax - is deeply flawed. The flaw is that Council Tax is not related to ability to pay. Council Tax has been rising faster than inflation, while many people have been on flat or falling incomes ...
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11/02/2021 11:33:36 25 8
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As a result, Council Tax is causing hardship to the people in that situation. It should be scrapped and replaced by something which which bears some relation to people's incomes and their ability to pay. That could be a local income tax, or failing that, then going back to a system of funds from central Govt - which ultimately comes from national income tax - is preferable.
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11/02/2021 11:14:28 9 2
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Agree just look at that rabble in Handforth.Justhope they’re not representative of all parish councils
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11/02/2021 11:35:13 3 3
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Yes Conservative ones.
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11/02/2021 11:35:29 0 3
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And they spend it upon?
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11/02/2021 11:06:12 9 12
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Councils are sitting on billions of pounds of reserves. Time to start using it.
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11/02/2021 11:35:33 6 3
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Care to prove that, or is it just another NF member trying to wind people up.
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11/02/2021 11:32:43 36 2
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As a taxpayer I don't normally approve of the Govt dishing out cash to assorted "good causes". But the only obvious alternative in this case - raising Council Tax - is deeply flawed. The flaw is that Council Tax is not related to ability to pay. Council Tax has been rising faster than inflation, while many people have been on flat or falling incomes ...
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11/02/2021 11:36:11 6 9
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Time TO Punish the TORIES
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11/02/2021 11:41:11 9 2
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Maybe. Keir Starmer made some encouraging noises recently about not raising Council Tax. If he follows this up with firm policies to replace it with a tax that is in proportion to people's incomes, I could indeed vote Labour for the first time in my life.
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11/02/2021 11:36:19 34 9
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The council can't even fix the streetlamps where I live...forth attempt today, 4 men, two vehicles (lamps broken since November last year when Virgin Internet dug trenches).
Anymore men any they will need a portaloo, a health and safety consultant, two managers, a wellness adviser, and a canteen!
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11/02/2021 11:38:26 39 7
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and a diversity consultant
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11/02/2021 11:40:41 11 1
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Hopefully they are back charging Virgin, but I somehow doubt it.
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11/02/2021 15:28:30 3 2
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That wasn't the council, that was the outsourcing outfit the council threw some money at, our money

Being a council leader is a skilless job, the only responsibility is to spend other peoples money, and they're doing that badly
The great thing about outsourcing, is no skills or training needed in-house, and when it all goes wrong, the councils can just blame the outsourcing outfit...
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11/02/2021 17:42:54 3 1
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Shouldn't virgin media mend the lights if they caused the problem? Why blame the council
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11/02/2021 23:59:45 0 0
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That's virgin on the ridiculous.
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12/02/2021 08:40:31 1 0
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If the streetlamp has to be disconnected /reconnected then the second vehicle will be the area's electricity board who charge £900 paid three months in advance to do this. This is mandated.

The actual repair of the lamp by a lighting company probably cost no more than £150 paid on completion.

Somebody is raking it in......
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11/02/2021 10:46:20 15 14
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OMG this is the start of UK insolvency. Where is the tax going to come from to pay for services. I see today Amsterdam is now a bigger share trader city than London stock exchange. Once the financial services goes then everything else will follow. Well done the Brexit camp.
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11/02/2021 11:36:38 3 2
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London is still king for now. It has 30% of the European market still. They can not onshore this. It would be a major error costs would spiral. The risk of failure if they try to move the €1trillon Euro swap market is to big. The people and infrastructure is not in place and would take years and threaten the EU financial stability. Equivalency based on Global rules is needed.
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11/02/2021 11:37:52 2 4
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KEEP RAISING TO ALLOWING OTHERS TO RAISE COUNCIL TAXES AND ITS A GENERAL ELECTION GRAND CATASTROPHE, it will make CORBYNS DOWNFALL LOOK FUNNY or comic !!
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11/02/2021 11:36:19 34 9
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The council can't even fix the streetlamps where I live...forth attempt today, 4 men, two vehicles (lamps broken since November last year when Virgin Internet dug trenches).
Anymore men any they will need a portaloo, a health and safety consultant, two managers, a wellness adviser, and a canteen!
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11/02/2021 11:38:26 39 7
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and a diversity consultant
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11/02/2021 11:38:33 5 2
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All four Councils are in the South which proves none is immune. All need Councils need Government funding otherwise our Council Tax bill will go through the roof.
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11/02/2021 11:39:26 56 16
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Tha buck stops with Jenrick the fast boy who likes to give Billionaires a helping hand in building control.
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11/02/2021 14:38:38 28 13
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This is what happens when a Tory Government withholds the amount it gives to councils from Business Rates (since 2010, the BR didn't go down, Tories kept it) & freezes councils from increasing Council Tax (from 2010-2018).

The consequence has been failing public services & our infrastructure left to crumble.
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11/02/2021 11:39:36 7 6
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Some losses due to the pandemic, ok.
Losses due to miss management, not ok, bring the managers to account, ie sack them, no redundancy.
Councils should use the money in reserve whilst sorting out their budget, no incentive if they are getting bailed out by the tax payer.
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11/02/2021 11:36:19 34 9
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The council can't even fix the streetlamps where I live...forth attempt today, 4 men, two vehicles (lamps broken since November last year when Virgin Internet dug trenches).
Anymore men any they will need a portaloo, a health and safety consultant, two managers, a wellness adviser, and a canteen!
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11/02/2021 11:40:41 11 1
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Hopefully they are back charging Virgin, but I somehow doubt it.
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11/02/2021 11:36:11 6 9
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Time TO Punish the TORIES
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11/02/2021 11:41:11 9 2
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Maybe. Keir Starmer made some encouraging noises recently about not raising Council Tax. If he follows this up with firm policies to replace it with a tax that is in proportion to people's incomes, I could indeed vote Labour for the first time in my life.
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11/02/2021 12:15:48 4 6
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Those four councils are in affluent areas so the rich tenants should be able to pay more council tax, unlike others area who face the maximum rate raise this year, for it to be wasted
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11/02/2021 10:44:51 5 14
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Once councils dont get their council tax , business rates , rents et al from April they gonna be totally screwed!! Made up of people who have lost their jobs , lost their businesses so have NO money and those who reasonable likely will REFUSE to pay due to councils aiding and abetting thebreach of the Human Right to WORK!!! Dug their own financial graves really
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11/02/2021 11:44:28 5 1
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You don’t have an option on Council tax, if you don’t pay it you end up in court an there is no defence, so you get find as well.
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11/02/2021 11:46:02 17 4
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Our council is Wigan. If you really want to see vanity projects come here. If ever there was a council that wastes money it's Wigan. Disgusting and we are paying for these people.
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11/02/2021 11:56:34 16 1
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Fire the council then. Elect a better one.
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11/02/2021 11:49:53 36 8
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Where's the money coming from?

Fiscal prudence? No
Closing/reducing tax loopholes? No
Stopping leading politicians hiding money overseas? No
Proper taxes on large, multi national corporate companies? No
Out of the Johnson dog photo fund? No
Magic money tree? No, not even that.

Borrowed money for our kids to pay back plus interest? Yes
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11/02/2021 12:42:33 12 4
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..and Grand Children most probably
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11/02/2021 14:29:36 2 1
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Since 2008 most Government borrowing has been through its bank, the BoE, buying Government corporate bonds:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/mar/08/the-verdict-on-10-years-of-quantitative-easing

The BoE is part of Government:

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/knowledgebank/who-owns-the-bank-of-england

The BoE has conjured the money it has used to buy Government bonds out of thin air.
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11/02/2021 14:30:31 2 1
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The BoE has also been, since the 2008 crash, buying back Government bonds from financial institutions, who have in turn bought more Government bonds; and it's been going in that circular motion ever since.

This is all funded by the money conjured out of thin air; it has redirected lots more wealth to the rich, whilst we have been sold the lie we need to repay it through austerity & wage freezes.
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11/02/2021 14:31:07 1 2
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When interest rates are extremely low or, as they are currently, at a negative rate, institutions are paying the Government to look after their money.

It's a game of smoke & mirrors proving that the economy has always been contrived & manipulated.

There is no need to raise our taxes, depress our wages or impose austerity on us. Will YOU fall for it again?
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11/02/2021 14:32:27 1 0
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11/02/2021 11:50:33 11 4
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Magic Money Trees !
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11/02/2021 11:09:17 22 13
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All four in the southern half of England. This must be Johnson's levelling-up agenda in full swing.
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11/02/2021 11:50:40 20 8
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They are mainly Labour councils.
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11/02/2021 12:33:25 7 6
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Wrong. Bexley and Peterborough both Tory, Eastbourne is Lib Dem. Try doing some basic research before spreading fake news. Glad I could help you out.
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11/02/2021 18:12:15 1 2
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Liar
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11/02/2021 11:19:22 9 21
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Be grateful you don't live in Bristol - wasted tens of millions on a "green" energy supplier and then bought a whole new fleet of DIESEL council vehicles.

What this country needs is a labour govt and tory controlled councils.
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11/02/2021 11:51:25 2 3
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"a whole new fleet of DIESEL council vehicles." HGV's by any chance not many electric ones on the market.
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11/02/2021 12:02:18 3 0
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Why does a council need HGV's?

You can buy buses and trucks that are electric, hydrogen fuel cell, LPG, so there are alternatives.
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11/02/2021 11:55:02 10 2
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Four councils, he should look to his own constituency council, spending money on a large empty M&S store to add it to their "portfolio", invest money in a new Travelodge and are knocking down around 130 perfectly good council houses to build a new private estate and rebuilding new council houses, but the plans only show a small amount are for those people are being displaced. So Rob sort them out
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11/02/2021 11:55:38 15 8
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So we're told some of these councils need support because of exceptional circumstances (covid) and some due to poor management. I presume we'll be told that the two Tory councils have problems because of covid but the other two (not Tory) must be guilty of poor management. (Don't mention Northamptonshire). When the Business rate cuts come into effect will council grants be reduced even more?
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11/02/2021 10:42:56 28 4
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Luton Council is a disgrace, they have wasted millions on unwanted glory plans and needless bureaucratic mistakes, now we must bail them out ?
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11/02/2021 11:55:43 11 0
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Relying on Luton Airport for a majority of income without a contingency plan has worked out well for them during the pandemic...
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11/02/2021 11:46:02 17 4
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Our council is Wigan. If you really want to see vanity projects come here. If ever there was a council that wastes money it's Wigan. Disgusting and we are paying for these people.
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11/02/2021 11:56:34 16 1
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Fire the council then. Elect a better one.
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11/02/2021 12:07:35 4 2
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If only that was possible their all as bad as each other they are power mad and in it for their self interest
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11/02/2021 12:40:46 2 1
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That's not really a solution, if the problem is caused by too-onerous statutory requirements. If those requirements are not changed, then the replacement council would face exactly the same problems. Councils need to be relieved of some of their statutory service obligations.
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11/02/2021 12:40:59 2 5
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Along time ago we had had a labour council, labour councillor's fighting and working for they tenants, never ever took a single penny in expenses in all they years on the council, unlike Tory councillor's who claimed around £60 each and that was a lot of money back in the 70's, then sadly the council boundaries moved to include more Tory areas and it's gone downhill ever since.
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11/02/2021 11:57:26 12 11
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As always with this gov it is someone else’s fault. Nothing to with the fact they have cut funds, and affected council revenue on rates without fully compensating. For them to accuse councils or anyone of mis management is pot kettle to a mamouth degree.
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11/02/2021 11:51:25 2 3
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"a whole new fleet of DIESEL council vehicles." HGV's by any chance not many electric ones on the market.
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11/02/2021 12:02:18 3 0
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Why does a council need HGV's?

You can buy buses and trucks that are electric, hydrogen fuel cell, LPG, so there are alternatives.
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11/02/2021 11:19:47 13 3
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If you do that, what idiot would stand to be a councillor.
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11/02/2021 12:06:26 4 0
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Hopefully someone better and more accountable than some of the idiots we have now.
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11/02/2021 11:56:34 16 1
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Fire the council then. Elect a better one.
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11/02/2021 12:07:35 4 2
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If only that was possible their all as bad as each other they are power mad and in it for their self interest
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11/02/2021 11:41:11 9 2
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Maybe. Keir Starmer made some encouraging noises recently about not raising Council Tax. If he follows this up with firm policies to replace it with a tax that is in proportion to people's incomes, I could indeed vote Labour for the first time in my life.
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11/02/2021 12:15:48 4 6
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Those four councils are in affluent areas so the rich tenants should be able to pay more council tax, unlike others area who face the maximum rate raise this year, for it to be wasted
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11/02/2021 12:46:09 6 1
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Probably worth checking the local demographic before making these comments?
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11/02/2021 12:46:37 8 1
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" ...councils are in affluent areas so the rich tenants should be able to pay more council tax "
Thats rather a sweeping generalization, don't you think? And it perfectly illustrates my point, that we should not be making such sweeping assumptions. We should instead be shifting to income-based taxation, so that the burden is in proportion to each individual's income and ability to pay.
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LG
11/02/2021 21:38:57 1 1
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Have you ever been to Luton?
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11/02/2021 12:16:00 14 11
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result of 10 years austerity what a govt we have got Expect more to follow these how long do we have to suffer for being so incompetently led ?
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11/02/2021 12:17:32 8 7
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Four years
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11/02/2021 12:22:48 4 3
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You want the government to spend more than it gets in like these councils have?
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11/02/2021 12:54:44 2 1
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Councils in the South East receive the lowest central government funding for local government. Councils in the South are most reliant on council tax to fund services. The problem is local government in the South is not allowed to retain taxes generated in the region.
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11/02/2021 12:16:00 14 11
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result of 10 years austerity what a govt we have got Expect more to follow these how long do we have to suffer for being so incompetently led ?
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11/02/2021 12:17:32 8 7
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Four years
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11/02/2021 12:19:12 6 19
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A quick look at these areas and it's clear why. Labour.
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11/02/2021 12:31:09 11 2
bbc
How dare they help the poor and disadvantaged!
61
11/02/2021 12:36:57 9 0
bbc
Peterborough? Conservative Leader of the concil Councillor John Holdich OBE may be a bit upset by your assumption there!
53
11/02/2021 12:22:39 17 8
bbc
I think the vast majority of these individuals commenting really need to do some research! If you understood what your council did normally, and what they are now having to do (and not able to), you will see that you are quoting some very old and stereotypical views.....they are not valid in the current world.
69
11/02/2021 12:44:14 10 3
bbc
Well said. I have worked for local authorities as well as commercial organisations and universities. Local authorities have been struggling financially for a long time regardless of which party or parties control them. I was impressed by the dedication of many local authority officers that I worked with. Value for money is a real driver in local authorities and has been for quite a time now.
50
11/02/2021 12:16:00 14 11
bbc
result of 10 years austerity what a govt we have got Expect more to follow these how long do we have to suffer for being so incompetently led ?
54
11/02/2021 12:22:48 4 3
bbc
You want the government to spend more than it gets in like these councils have?
59
11/02/2021 12:32:54 6 2
bbc
The govt managed to do that quite easily when they needed to bribe the DUP.
89
11/02/2021 13:23:53 3 1
bbc
Of course governments spend more than they "get in". That's why governments - ALL governments - borrow heavily.
19
11/02/2021 11:28:18 16 10
bbc
Am I the only one who gets extremely angry when I see my council spending money on things like covid marshals?

I want to see my hard earned council tax being spent on useful services, not squandered in support of Downing Street's propaganda campaign.
55
11/02/2021 12:24:39 7 0
bbc
I think you will find that it isn't your Council Tax that pays for that, it's completely new / separate funding...
9
11/02/2021 11:06:12 9 12
bbc
Councils are sitting on billions of pounds of reserves. Time to start using it.
56
11/02/2021 12:26:01 4 2
bbc
I think you need to understand local government, what your councils do, and just how they are funded before you can make such a daft statement..
6
11/02/2021 10:56:53 17 6
bbc
& they’ll still have to pay taxi fares back and to to London for ex prisoners-see priti Patel story
57
11/02/2021 12:27:07 5 1
bbc
What has that to do with your local council?
52
11/02/2021 12:19:12 6 19
bbc
A quick look at these areas and it's clear why. Labour.
58
11/02/2021 12:31:09 11 2
bbc
How dare they help the poor and disadvantaged!
54
11/02/2021 12:22:48 4 3
bbc
You want the government to spend more than it gets in like these councils have?
59
11/02/2021 12:32:54 6 2
bbc
The govt managed to do that quite easily when they needed to bribe the DUP.
39
11/02/2021 11:50:40 20 8
bbc
They are mainly Labour councils.
60
11/02/2021 12:33:25 7 6
bbc
Wrong. Bexley and Peterborough both Tory, Eastbourne is Lib Dem. Try doing some basic research before spreading fake news. Glad I could help you out.
52
11/02/2021 12:19:12 6 19
bbc
A quick look at these areas and it's clear why. Labour.
61
11/02/2021 12:36:57 9 0
bbc
Peterborough? Conservative Leader of the concil Councillor John Holdich OBE may be a bit upset by your assumption there!
62
11/02/2021 12:37:55 13 6
bbc
Every year around February and March councils waste money on pointless projects. All you lot do on here is play amateur politics blaming the parties you don't like, really constructive people.
63
11/02/2021 12:37:55 8 5
bbc
Council taxes are brutally unfair in that the burden falls on a limited number of the domestic population, particularly single people. Add the PCC annual cost and above inflation annual increases as a single pensioner why the confusion / cost caused by dual management of our excellent police service?
74
11/02/2021 12:54:44 9 2
bbc
Yes, the distribution of the burden is deeply unfair. It really ought to be replaced, either by a per capita tax, or if you can't stomach that then at least change it to an income-related tax.
44
11/02/2021 11:56:34 16 1
bbc
Fire the council then. Elect a better one.
64
11/02/2021 12:40:46 2 1
bbc
That's not really a solution, if the problem is caused by too-onerous statutory requirements. If those requirements are not changed, then the replacement council would face exactly the same problems. Councils need to be relieved of some of their statutory service obligations.
9
11/02/2021 11:06:12 9 12
bbc
Councils are sitting on billions of pounds of reserves. Time to start using it.
65
11/02/2021 12:40:50 5 0
bbc
Not many councils have much in reserve now.
44
11/02/2021 11:56:34 16 1
bbc
Fire the council then. Elect a better one.
66
11/02/2021 12:40:59 2 5
bbc
Along time ago we had had a labour council, labour councillor's fighting and working for they tenants, never ever took a single penny in expenses in all they years on the council, unlike Tory councillor's who claimed around £60 each and that was a lot of money back in the 70's, then sadly the council boundaries moved to include more Tory areas and it's gone downhill ever since.
37
11/02/2021 11:49:53 36 8
bbc
Where's the money coming from?

Fiscal prudence? No
Closing/reducing tax loopholes? No
Stopping leading politicians hiding money overseas? No
Proper taxes on large, multi national corporate companies? No
Out of the Johnson dog photo fund? No
Magic money tree? No, not even that.

Borrowed money for our kids to pay back plus interest? Yes
67
11/02/2021 12:42:33 12 4
bbc
..and Grand Children most probably
68
11/02/2021 12:43:22 8 11
bbc
Compare the services that councils do for you with what the government does for you.

Now compare what you pay.

Councils give you so much more for your money.
73
11/02/2021 12:53:13 9 10
bbc
I'm not sure. A huge slug of spending by my Council is on 'Social Services'. I'm not having a go at my council, that is typical, and is I think a requirement dictated by central govt.

Yet not one member of my family in four generations has ever used any of these 'social services'.

So I end up paying a king's ransom just to get my bins collected. Not really good value for money, in my case.
53
11/02/2021 12:22:39 17 8
bbc
I think the vast majority of these individuals commenting really need to do some research! If you understood what your council did normally, and what they are now having to do (and not able to), you will see that you are quoting some very old and stereotypical views.....they are not valid in the current world.
69
11/02/2021 12:44:14 10 3
bbc
Well said. I have worked for local authorities as well as commercial organisations and universities. Local authorities have been struggling financially for a long time regardless of which party or parties control them. I was impressed by the dedication of many local authority officers that I worked with. Value for money is a real driver in local authorities and has been for quite a time now.
121
11/02/2021 15:34:06 0 0
bbc
Sounds like mismanagement
We don't want officers, we want a functional body which is able to serve our needs, not a bunch of "leaders" and "officers" who have a hard-on for outsourcing, probably to their friends companies. It is 100% corrupted, no ifs, no buts, there is literally no excuse
49
11/02/2021 12:15:48 4 6
bbc
Those four councils are in affluent areas so the rich tenants should be able to pay more council tax, unlike others area who face the maximum rate raise this year, for it to be wasted
70
11/02/2021 12:46:09 6 1
bbc
Probably worth checking the local demographic before making these comments?
49
11/02/2021 12:15:48 4 6
bbc
Those four councils are in affluent areas so the rich tenants should be able to pay more council tax, unlike others area who face the maximum rate raise this year, for it to be wasted
71
11/02/2021 12:46:37 8 1
bbc
" ...councils are in affluent areas so the rich tenants should be able to pay more council tax "
Thats rather a sweeping generalization, don't you think? And it perfectly illustrates my point, that we should not be making such sweeping assumptions. We should instead be shifting to income-based taxation, so that the burden is in proportion to each individual's income and ability to pay.
72
11/02/2021 12:51:52 11 9
bbc
All the councils are in the South East & East the regions that receive the lowest central government funding for local government. Councils in the north & midlands have long been lavished with Southern taxpayers money to the detriment of local government in the South. When a nation's government is taxing your region into bankruptcy it's long past the time for change.
68
11/02/2021 12:43:22 8 11
bbc
Compare the services that councils do for you with what the government does for you.

Now compare what you pay.

Councils give you so much more for your money.
73
11/02/2021 12:53:13 9 10
bbc
I'm not sure. A huge slug of spending by my Council is on 'Social Services'. I'm not having a go at my council, that is typical, and is I think a requirement dictated by central govt.

Yet not one member of my family in four generations has ever used any of these 'social services'.

So I end up paying a king's ransom just to get my bins collected. Not really good value for money, in my case.
82
11/02/2021 13:11:39 5 1
bbc
"just to get my bins collected"?

What about roads? Do you use them?

What about education? Have you or your children been to school?

Your family has - so far - been lucky not to need social services.
63
11/02/2021 12:37:55 8 5
bbc
Council taxes are brutally unfair in that the burden falls on a limited number of the domestic population, particularly single people. Add the PCC annual cost and above inflation annual increases as a single pensioner why the confusion / cost caused by dual management of our excellent police service?
74
11/02/2021 12:54:44 9 2
bbc
Yes, the distribution of the burden is deeply unfair. It really ought to be replaced, either by a per capita tax, or if you can't stomach that then at least change it to an income-related tax.
93
11/02/2021 13:48:49 1 1
bbc
The joy of Council Tax is that it is hard to avoid. What is needed is a rebranding exercise with a lot more bands at the top end to catch the really expensive properties and really annoy the Daily Mail
50
11/02/2021 12:16:00 14 11
bbc
result of 10 years austerity what a govt we have got Expect more to follow these how long do we have to suffer for being so incompetently led ?
75
11/02/2021 12:54:44 2 1
bbc
Councils in the South East receive the lowest central government funding for local government. Councils in the South are most reliant on council tax to fund services. The problem is local government in the South is not allowed to retain taxes generated in the region.
11
11/02/2021 11:09:17 22 13
bbc
All four in the southern half of England. This must be Johnson's levelling-up agenda in full swing.
76
11/02/2021 12:58:01 8 4
bbc
Th South of England receives the lowest amount of central government funding for local government - it is the most reliant region on council tax to fund services. For decades Southern taxes have been transferred to the north to fund northern expenditure which is why northern councils are disproportionately funded by central government.
99
11/02/2021 14:04:42 1 1
bbc
Utter blx.
140
11/02/2021 18:13:00 0 1
bbc
Liar
77
11/02/2021 12:56:05 1 3
bbc
A Mega difference in South East council taxes and services they get to the rest of the UK, but also consider that the council have collected the tax, but very little been done over the last year, so why plead poverty, Newcastle under lyme town hall closed for a year, services been so poor, yet they scroung cash, Potholes ,could have been filled, but staff furlonged, but Vic park garden planted up
80
11/02/2021 13:08:52 7 0
bbc
What mega difference are you referring to? Councils in the South East receive the lowest central government funding for local government than anywhere else in the UK. The South East (along with the South West) is the most reliant on council tax to fund local services than any other region in the UK.
78
11/02/2021 13:00:10 11 7
bbc
Many senior councillors earn more than most bankers. Think about that. That's where the problem is. Yet more lavish public sector spending, waste, and inefficiency
153
11/02/2021 19:24:57 2 2
bbc
Do please share....I’d love to know which Councillors earn 5 million + a year for Council work. Certianly none I have ever worked with. Clearly you know little about Counci remuneration schemes. Most high paid Council jobs are Cheif Execs and that whole wheeeze was Mrs Thatcher turning local Councils into Jobs for the Boys with her pay the same as industry. Thats whats gotten us into this mess.
79
11/02/2021 13:07:15 8 3
bbc
Time for self governance in the eight or so English regions so we don't have to beg financial help from the Westminster clowns and get treated like colonies to line the pockets of the government's big business backers.....
83
11/02/2021 13:12:04 6 2
bbc
Yes. Fiscal autonomy for the regions. Since 2001 the South East (not including London) has paid a £200 billion tax surplus to the treasury. How has the South East benefited? By having ever more amounts of tax levied on us and having our councils bankrupted to fund profligate northern councils.
77
11/02/2021 12:56:05 1 3
bbc
A Mega difference in South East council taxes and services they get to the rest of the UK, but also consider that the council have collected the tax, but very little been done over the last year, so why plead poverty, Newcastle under lyme town hall closed for a year, services been so poor, yet they scroung cash, Potholes ,could have been filled, but staff furlonged, but Vic park garden planted up
80
11/02/2021 13:08:52 7 0
bbc
What mega difference are you referring to? Councils in the South East receive the lowest central government funding for local government than anywhere else in the UK. The South East (along with the South West) is the most reliant on council tax to fund local services than any other region in the UK.
81
11/02/2021 13:07:57 3 4
bbc
Shame they can't empty the bins, without leaving a mess, the Rats love it !
84
11/02/2021 13:13:53 8 1
bbc
Our council is very good with bin collection. The only litter left on the streets is what the public drops.
73
11/02/2021 12:53:13 9 10
bbc
I'm not sure. A huge slug of spending by my Council is on 'Social Services'. I'm not having a go at my council, that is typical, and is I think a requirement dictated by central govt.

Yet not one member of my family in four generations has ever used any of these 'social services'.

So I end up paying a king's ransom just to get my bins collected. Not really good value for money, in my case.
82
11/02/2021 13:11:39 5 1
bbc
"just to get my bins collected"?

What about roads? Do you use them?

What about education? Have you or your children been to school?

Your family has - so far - been lucky not to need social services.
79
11/02/2021 13:07:15 8 3
bbc
Time for self governance in the eight or so English regions so we don't have to beg financial help from the Westminster clowns and get treated like colonies to line the pockets of the government's big business backers.....
83
11/02/2021 13:12:04 6 2
bbc
Yes. Fiscal autonomy for the regions. Since 2001 the South East (not including London) has paid a £200 billion tax surplus to the treasury. How has the South East benefited? By having ever more amounts of tax levied on us and having our councils bankrupted to fund profligate northern councils.
124
11/02/2021 16:14:10 1 2
bbc
Just not true but it is a myth perpetuated by those in the south east!
159
dg
11/02/2021 19:45:55 1 0
bbc
and the highest level of government spending on public infrastructure.
81
11/02/2021 13:07:57 3 4
bbc
Shame they can't empty the bins, without leaving a mess, the Rats love it !
84
11/02/2021 13:13:53 8 1
bbc
Our council is very good with bin collection. The only litter left on the streets is what the public drops.
92
11/02/2021 13:54:18 0 0
bbc
Very good here too... the subcontractors take anything in the recycling... dont seem to care if its allowed or not...
85
11/02/2021 13:16:34 12 4
bbc
I suppose we can't discuss Northamptonshire Council here: the Tory council that didn't understand what a budget was.

There has been a crisis in council funding for years which has forced many councils to look for commercial solutions. The classic is Luton that has developed the airport.

What Mr Jenrick is really complaining about is the failure of the last eleven years of Tory policy.
154
11/02/2021 19:25:13 3 0
bbc
The funny thing is that where the county council has failed the district councils in Northamptonshire have managed there budgets well (Northampton Town council being the exception, surprise surprise). All bar one of them are Tory run except one.
86
MVP
11/02/2021 13:19:52 5 2
bbc
This provides no incentive to other councils who are struggling.

Message here is, blow you budget and central government will bail you out.
88
11/02/2021 13:23:05 6 1
bbc
Not quite. The South East region in which these councils are from receives the lowest levels of central government funding for local government. The problem for these councils is they have received low levels of funding while their costs have risen. What is needed is fiscal devolution.
87
11/02/2021 13:22:31 40 3
bbc
Most of the country, Band D: ~£2,000 per year
Most of the country, Band H: ~£4,000 per year

Westminster, Band D: £780
Westminster, Band H house worth 8 figures: £1,560

There's something not right with the funding model.
90
11/02/2021 13:28:15 16 4
bbc
Quid pro quo, lots of bribes !
91
11/02/2021 13:53:10 6 2
bbc
Westminster is primarily a business district. Most people that work there don't live there. Council tax is supposed to be a local tax. Local circumstances are different across the country. Bear in mind that councils in the north and midlands receive the highest levels of central government grants.
144
11/02/2021 18:27:49 4 1
bbc
Nothing wrong in the model if you believe in local taxes. The object is not to leach the same amounts from those with the same incomes across the land. Nor to raise more than needed locally. The bands are not supposed to be the same house value one area to the next. Not that house value should ever be any basis for any tax. Has zero relation to income to pay with.
157
11/02/2021 19:37:13 2 0
bbc
Far fewer people in Westminster that need to be looked after financially from cradle to grave?
173
12/02/2021 06:54:40 2 0
bbc
8 out 0f 10 councils are struggling as government has cut budgets since 2010.

When the dust settles and we see just how much money was wasted during Covid there will be an uproar, and lets not forget that conservative governments were told in 2016 that the emergency stock was inadequate, out of date etc yet they ignored that fact until the pandemic then in panic they threw money at the issue.
86
MVP
11/02/2021 13:19:52 5 2
bbc
This provides no incentive to other councils who are struggling.

Message here is, blow you budget and central government will bail you out.
88
11/02/2021 13:23:05 6 1
bbc
Not quite. The South East region in which these councils are from receives the lowest levels of central government funding for local government. The problem for these councils is they have received low levels of funding while their costs have risen. What is needed is fiscal devolution.
54
11/02/2021 12:22:48 4 3
bbc
You want the government to spend more than it gets in like these councils have?
89
11/02/2021 13:23:53 3 1
bbc
Of course governments spend more than they "get in". That's why governments - ALL governments - borrow heavily.
87
11/02/2021 13:22:31 40 3
bbc
Most of the country, Band D: ~£2,000 per year
Most of the country, Band H: ~£4,000 per year

Westminster, Band D: £780
Westminster, Band H house worth 8 figures: £1,560

There's something not right with the funding model.
90
11/02/2021 13:28:15 16 4
bbc
Quid pro quo, lots of bribes !
87
11/02/2021 13:22:31 40 3
bbc
Most of the country, Band D: ~£2,000 per year
Most of the country, Band H: ~£4,000 per year

Westminster, Band D: £780
Westminster, Band H house worth 8 figures: £1,560

There's something not right with the funding model.
91
11/02/2021 13:53:10 6 2
bbc
Westminster is primarily a business district. Most people that work there don't live there. Council tax is supposed to be a local tax. Local circumstances are different across the country. Bear in mind that councils in the north and midlands receive the highest levels of central government grants.
84
11/02/2021 13:13:53 8 1
bbc
Our council is very good with bin collection. The only litter left on the streets is what the public drops.
92
11/02/2021 13:54:18 0 0
bbc
Very good here too... the subcontractors take anything in the recycling... dont seem to care if its allowed or not...
74
11/02/2021 12:54:44 9 2
bbc
Yes, the distribution of the burden is deeply unfair. It really ought to be replaced, either by a per capita tax, or if you can't stomach that then at least change it to an income-related tax.
93
11/02/2021 13:48:49 1 1
bbc
The joy of Council Tax is that it is hard to avoid. What is needed is a rebranding exercise with a lot more bands at the top end to catch the really expensive properties and really annoy the Daily Mail
94
11/02/2021 13:57:39 1 2
bbc
Thats bonus time for councillors then.
95
11/02/2021 13:58:56 7 2
bbc
Council tax as a way of funding is totally flawed.
It is not based on any ability to pay or income.
By proportion it hits the poor, low paid and pensioners the hardest.
More central funding is needed to ensure a more balanced and fair system is in place, if that means increasing income tax then so be it, at least that is based on earnings.
Similarly, business rates should be based on profit.
96
11/02/2021 14:00:46 5 2
bbc
Income and profits are so easy to hide unless you are on PAYE
199
12/02/2021 12:17:59 0 0
bbc
Why shoul d it b e based on ability to pay?
95
11/02/2021 13:58:56 7 2
bbc
Council tax as a way of funding is totally flawed.
It is not based on any ability to pay or income.
By proportion it hits the poor, low paid and pensioners the hardest.
More central funding is needed to ensure a more balanced and fair system is in place, if that means increasing income tax then so be it, at least that is based on earnings.
Similarly, business rates should be based on profit.
96
11/02/2021 14:00:46 5 2
bbc
Income and profits are so easy to hide unless you are on PAYE
14
11/02/2021 11:19:22 9 21
bbc
Be grateful you don't live in Bristol - wasted tens of millions on a "green" energy supplier and then bought a whole new fleet of DIESEL council vehicles.

What this country needs is a labour govt and tory controlled councils.
97
DSA
11/02/2021 14:01:30 6 2
bbc
Wow, that would be novel, Tory councils thriving and improving everything for everyone whilst the Labour party finally achieves its long term target of bankrupting the country.
98
11/02/2021 14:03:25 1 4
bbc
A very real problem is the cost for local authorities of final salary index licked pensions. These were not a problem when investment returns were much higher than now and also we are living much longer. In 1943 when I was born my expectation of life was to 68 years. Now for a boy born this year it is 82. Can they continue ? They have gone in the private sector because they are unaffordable.
100
11/02/2021 14:07:18 8 1
bbc
They went in local authorities too when the schemes moved to average salaries over the whole period of employment rather than final salaries several years ago.
102
11/02/2021 14:25:32 1 0
bbc
Many council pensions were offloaded when outsourcing their employees.
120
11/02/2021 15:28:36 1 0
bbc
a couple of comments above have mentioned that councils' final-salary pension schemes have been replaced by 'career-average' pension schemes.

This is true, though it's also fair to mention that 'career-average' is still a 'defined-benefit' scheme, and as such considerably more generous than the DC schemes which prevail in the private sector. Switching to DC schemes should be the next step.
76
11/02/2021 12:58:01 8 4
bbc
Th South of England receives the lowest amount of central government funding for local government - it is the most reliant region on council tax to fund services. For decades Southern taxes have been transferred to the north to fund northern expenditure which is why northern councils are disproportionately funded by central government.
99
11/02/2021 14:04:42 1 1
bbc
Utter blx.
98
11/02/2021 14:03:25 1 4
bbc
A very real problem is the cost for local authorities of final salary index licked pensions. These were not a problem when investment returns were much higher than now and also we are living much longer. In 1943 when I was born my expectation of life was to 68 years. Now for a boy born this year it is 82. Can they continue ? They have gone in the private sector because they are unaffordable.
100
11/02/2021 14:07:18 8 1
bbc
They went in local authorities too when the schemes moved to average salaries over the whole period of employment rather than final salaries several years ago.
115
11/02/2021 14:55:58 2 1
bbc
The myth that local govt pensions are gold plated is just that - myth. I pay 8% of my salary for a care pension. Final salary pensions are just a historic footnote now