HS2: Next phase of controversial rail network gets green light
11/02/2021 | news | business | 823
Legislation needed to clear the next stage of the controversial project has passed through Parliament.
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Sort out the HS2 contractors corruption first. Removed
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11/02/2021 15:41:19 24 5
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If we start properly looking into corruption during this Tory incumbency we will scarcely know where to begin... It is rife and blatant and not being properly investigated or even mentioned at the moment.
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11/02/2021 16:29:02 0 0
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any examples?
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11/02/2021 14:43:19 311 69
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HS2 is a prime example of what happens when lobbyists get their way. In this case it’s CEOs for large contractors getting lucrative contracts, to deliver a project with spiralling costs and delays for something that will be obsolete with the rise in remote working capability.

The BCR value for this needs to be redone, given everything that’s happened since it last was.
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11/02/2021 14:48:31 85 31
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agree 100%
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11/02/2021 14:55:09 6 9
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As HS2 won't be operational till 2030 at least then do you have a crystal ball to tell us all what we will need then.
I am hoping we won't be in lockdown ...
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11/02/2021 15:05:08 10 17
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Whilst I don't doubt lobbying played a part in this - I also can't see why we wouldn't want to do this. It has been proven time and again that investing in infrastructure projects helps boost economies and create jobs, PLUS it is bringing a much needed high speed rail connection sorely missing for many decades. To imply home working is going to be a magic solution is misguided and short-termist.
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11/02/2021 15:32:26 4 3
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Agreed, and on the subject of ancient woodlands and wildlife impact, residents, Local Authorities and wildlife trusts in Beds and Bucks should demand that HS2 undertakes a geological impact analysis of excavation earthworks, deep cuttings and tunnel boring across the chalk rock in the Chiltern Hills. There were 4 moderate earthquakes in the Vale of Aylesbury - Leighton Buzzard last September 2020.
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11/02/2021 15:33:42 0 1
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and no HS3
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11/02/2021 15:43:40 5 13
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Good news, the extra capacity is sorely needed, and environmentally it beats building more roads.
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11/02/2021 15:51:44 3 3
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@CardiffCouple @Oracle, short-termism is the inability to recognise the direction the world is taking. France has just cancelled a massive infrastructure project to expand capacity at CDG airport because it isn't needed. Less than 10 years ago home working wasn't anywhere near the norm. In 10 years time it will be part of a blended approach to work/life balance - as an IT director I guarantee this
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11/02/2021 15:58:11 6 11
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nonsense, we need the capacity.
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11/02/2021 16:05:03 8 2
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I am sure the Government has learnt from previous problems and this contract will have a fixed price and end date and penalty clauses if not completed in time at cost...oh look a flying pig.
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11/02/2021 16:30:23 5 1
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Both remote working and long range autonomous electric vehicles will make HS2 redundant before its finished.
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11/02/2021 16:32:07 1 5
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Not everybody lives in tree houses and live off other people's hard work. Some of us have to travel to work in order to feed our families. Too proud to let others do it. Get on with the railway. We need it ASAP. It will bring construction jobs. We need proper jobs not charity handouts.
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12/02/2021 08:47:07 1 0
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Dream on. Business knows full well that Teams/Zoom has its place but is no replacement for bums on seats in an office environment for most situations. Reduced efficiency just doesnt work. People need to interact with real people still & always will. HS2 will drag us into the 21st Century & result in an explosion of development. Look what happened when the canals were built & railways 200+yrs ago.
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11/02/2021 14:44:20 4 10
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Well after this year £106 Bn is peanuts and the trains are lovely and pointy
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11/02/2021 14:44:22 79 28
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Waste on top of waste, keeps the Tory donors happy.
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11/02/2021 14:52:44 6 28
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which is nice
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Bob
11/02/2021 16:22:04 0 0
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HS2 was a Labour proposal.
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11/02/2021 20:17:27 0 0
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Didn't HS2 start under a Labour government?
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11/02/2021 14:45:12 94 36
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Tory donors need to make money out of their 'investment'. Plenty of taxpayer's money left to shovel into their pockets as bonuses.
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11/02/2021 14:48:31 26 65
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What economic tripe
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11/02/2021 14:58:56 1 6
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You must have a viable alternative to "investment"

let's hear it
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Bob
11/02/2021 16:18:36 1 2
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HS2 is a Labour project.
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11/02/2021 14:45:55 46 13
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The Magic Money Tree bears even more fruit.

Tory donors are the beneficiaries.
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11/02/2021 15:52:16 0 24
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It's all good then
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11/02/2021 14:45:55 122 17
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I'm still of the opinion this was never about opening up the North to more employment and more about increasing London's commuter belt potential.
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11/02/2021 15:29:34 36 1
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I don't think that's the plan - but I think it will be the outcome.
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11/02/2021 15:30:09 1 6
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What's wrong with giving more people access to London, specially today when perhaps you only need to travel into London a couple of days a week?
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11/02/2021 16:17:28 4 0
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Of course it was, watch the massive housing estates that will follow
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11/02/2021 14:46:06 237 46
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I have to ask, aside from the contractors, who else is this going to benefit?

HS2 may well be out of date be out of date by time it is completed, and at what cost to the British taxpayer? Initial estimate £40bn, I think we all know you can put an extra 0 on that.

All this while spending half of the national rail budget on one line while others crumble.

Farcical.
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BD
11/02/2021 14:50:40 155 28
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Not only "at what cost to the British taxpayer?", but also at what cost to the environment is this unnecessary, vanity project going to benefit ...
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11/02/2021 16:00:18 7 10
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Honestly there is a load of rubbish spoken about this project and your comment is a prime example. We need the capacity and it's not a case of either or, we need both
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11/02/2021 16:05:37 8 6
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All for a handful of people to save a little bit of time going to and from London and Birmingham!

Excessively expensive! Just think of all the info structure projects that money could have covered all around the country. So many more of us could potentially see the benefits.
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11/02/2021 16:07:20 11 4
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HS2 was out of date before it started. Whilst we're spending £120bn on 2000s era technology Japan is spending half that amount on 21st century maglev technology travelling the same distance with the complexities of getting it through central Tokyo.

It's impossible to fathom quite how we're paying twice as much to get last century technology through empty countryside. I can only assume corruption.
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11/02/2021 16:11:27 2 2
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"who else is this going to benefit?"

Anyone in a hurry to get from South to North or North to South??
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11/02/2021 16:30:33 3 3
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easy question - it's all the back handers & the cosy jobs ex gov miisters & aides and the like wil get once they leave government - this is a given with current carp corrupt shower some laughably call a government when in reality its like watching a sequel to In the Thick of It. ...
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11/02/2021 17:34:15 2 1
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A total waste of money
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12/02/2021 08:48:47 2 0
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Argument doesnt work. Anything new will be somewhat out of date in time. Railways are 200 yrs old but still using same cuttings, embankments, tunnel etc largely. They seem to be doing ok except for capacity, which HS2 solves.
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11/02/2021 14:46:22 61 22
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It's so obvious that money has passed hands and in order to continue with the corruption, this joke of a project has to happen. About time it was properly investigated and put on hold.
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11/02/2021 17:12:41 16 2
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We are told we live in a Democracy. We do NOT. And this project proves that.
The people have NO SAY - No one wants it to go ahead.
(Only stupid people).
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11/02/2021 14:46:29 145 33
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Just stop it. There are much better ways to spend taxpayers money.
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11/02/2021 15:37:02 17 53
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Name one....
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11/02/2021 15:47:43 4 14
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Like paying the thousands of workers benefits that are forced out of work, maybe we should stop all construction and infrastructure altogether so the country can just stand still.
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11/02/2021 15:53:33 3 8
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Name one that will achieve the same overall objective.
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11/02/2021 14:46:32 76 26
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Passenger services are scheduled to start between stations at London’s Old Oak Common and Birmingham Curzon Street between 2029-33. Phase 2A’s opening will coincide with the London–Birmingham route. HS2 A will carry six long-distance high speed services per hour.
Each with 5 passengers on board, and half of them will be MPs or civil servants.
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11/02/2021 20:51:42 11 2
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"Each with 5 passengers on board, and half of them will be MPs or civil servants."

And they will put the cost on expenses
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11/02/2021 14:46:43 195 43
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Utter waste of money. However much it ends up costing, I'm sure every reader could suggest several ways that money could have been better spent.
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11/02/2021 15:21:38 17 13
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Put it into my Bank Accounts and I will show you how well I spend it!
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11/02/2021 15:41:24 7 8
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"better spent" is always subjective. Being objective, HS2 was always about increasing paths for passenger and goods trains on the network as a whole without increasing journey times or compromising safety. Now you know the objective, tell me how the same amount of money could be better spent to achieve that objective.
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11/02/2021 16:36:27 2 1
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Totally agree. The money could have been better used on sorting out transport problems north of Birmingham. If passenger numbers are going to be much lower than expected, why not convert some of the rolling stock to take some of the small freight off our road network. Let's be honest how many people commute long distances these days.
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11/02/2021 14:46:58 59 7
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Contractors have no interest in protecting the environment at Calvert
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Ian
11/02/2021 14:48:20 104 36
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?? We ?? don't ?? need ?? HS2 ?? ???
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11/02/2021 14:51:26 31 106
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No one is forcing you to buy a ticket, though
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11/02/2021 14:59:07 1 14
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We don't need cars either. What's your point?
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11/02/2021 16:12:54 0 4
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Yes we do
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12/02/2021 00:40:28 0 1
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How do you know that? Do you really mean YOU don't need it. What gives you the authority to speak for the rest of us?
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11/02/2021 14:48:22 108 21
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Was always a white elephant vanity project, now they've committed so much to it, even tho scrapping it would means 10s of billions becoming available for other, more practical infrastructure projects
They're scared of the moans about the millions that have already been spent
C19 if anything has shown us there's a much reduced need for travel
Scarp it, stop throwing good money after bad
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11/02/2021 15:29:51 10 37
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So all those people who travelled to Bournemouth beaches last year were a figment......
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11/02/2021 15:31:27 3 0
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The issue will probably be now that the contracts are written such that the companies get their cash either way
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12/02/2021 09:20:38 0 0
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People will always want to travel
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11/02/2021 14:49:30 115 33
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Another way to siphon off public money into the hands of Tory donating big business and individuals.

Ripping up ancient woodland, destroying acres of wildlife habitat.

Ask yourself: What is this REALLY about?
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11/02/2021 15:01:36 17 96
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It sounds a lot like Envy.
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11/02/2021 15:01:53 14 1
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Here's a quote directly from Wikipedia: "six Grade II listed buildings will be [demolished], with alterations to four and removal and relocation of eight." For a party called The Conservatives, they don't seem to care about conserving our history.
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11/02/2021 15:28:36 3 7
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It was first introduced by Labour. I am sure you do not want to hear that or who introduced pensions, labour exchanges, TUC rights, NI etc. Hitler boosted the German economy by investing in large scale public projects where workers wages were then expended on consumer goods creating more jobs. FDR on the other hand used the War to boost the US economy sending us overpriced goods. Interesting?
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11/02/2021 20:18:18 0 0
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Why not ask the Labour government that started HS2?
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11/02/2021 14:49:47 0 0
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"I Like Money" - Frito
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11/02/2021 14:49:58 17 7
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Even Rees-Mogg said it should be abandoned and that we should cut our losses on it.
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11/02/2021 14:53:28 14 2
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... and he's been right on nearly everything up until this point right?
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11/02/2021 15:16:53 0 0
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When please?
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11/02/2021 14:50:04 83 25
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White elephant. The Covid has shown the idea of shipping commuters around is old hat, as people have been saying for years. You can always rely on governments to be two or three steps behind the future.
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11/02/2021 15:16:25 18 25
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Covid has been here less than 12 months...the railways over 200 years!
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12/02/2021 00:50:17 1 0
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Covid has proven no such thing. We do what we have to do at the moment, but do you really think that everyone's going to want to continue in Covid/ lockdown mode once we don't have to? There will be those who will prefer to continue their current pattern, but whether for work or leisure, people's need to spread their wings will cut in once we can do so without this current level of risk.
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11/02/2021 14:50:31 6 24
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Choo choo all aboard !

except all you moaning minnies
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11/02/2021 15:02:32 9 1
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Speed_2#Environmental_and_community_impact
Read all of that, and then tell me why it's necessary.
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11/02/2021 14:47:58 86 23
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The HS2 project has nothing whatever to do with regenerating the midlands and North and everything to do with generating contracts and jobs for the construction workers. The government have already tacitly acknowledged this and now with much less people travelling it has become totally redundant.
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11/02/2021 14:52:54 37 27
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So you are expecting the pandemic to last till at least 2030 ?
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11/02/2021 15:01:56 6 6
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Obviously all construction workers should be immediately sacked and their families forced to starve.
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11/02/2021 15:15:29 3 5
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The government has accepted nothing of the sort. Please be accurate if you are commenting.
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12/02/2021 00:14:44 0 0
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I have heard trains are regularly held in the Birmingham area to free the lines for the fast services surely by moving a large proportion of these to the HS2 line and platforms, local travel times will decrease, frequency potentially increase & there still be potential for new services to be introduced incl. possibly reopening some Beeching lines to new communities built since their closure.
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11/02/2021 14:48:09 173 31
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This is a waste of money. HS2 isn’t needed. Improvements to current infrastructure and re-opening branch lines would be a better and popular decision.
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11/02/2021 15:15:50 21 64
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And cost far more.
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11/02/2021 15:49:14 8 7
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Factually incorrect. There is little that can be done to the current infrastructure that would allow as many additional train paths to be created on the network as a whole than will be created by HS2 (which broadly speaking is reopening the old Great Central main line closed by Beeching). The unit price of those new paths is also a lot lower with HS2
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11/02/2021 16:25:21 2 2
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Correct, and also far more practical. And how long before HS2 is simply absorbed into our existing infrastructure network.
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11/02/2021 21:10:16 0 0
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All of which is already being done.
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12/02/2021 08:13:32 2 0
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Improvements to the current infrastructure? That's been ongoing for decades and every proposed improvement is attacked by NIMBYS. The green movement would rejoice at seeing every airport, every road, every railway torn up, then they'll wonder how they can drive their 4x4 diesel protest range rover to their next target
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12/02/2021 08:52:05 1 0
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You are living with your head in the dark ages. In the 1760s when the first canals were built people thought they were unnecessary. Horses & carts were fine. Same with railways. Fortunately businessmen realised that improved transport was necessary & it sparked the industrial revolution. HS2 can do the same today.
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11/02/2021 14:45:12 94 36
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Tory donors need to make money out of their 'investment'. Plenty of taxpayer's money left to shovel into their pockets as bonuses.
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11/02/2021 14:48:31 26 65
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What economic tripe
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11/02/2021 14:54:37 10 3
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Economic tripe but political truth.
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11/02/2021 15:57:30 2 1
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Unfortunately, economic tripe is about all we can expect when HYSers are let loose on a subject like this. Most of them don't know what the objective of HS2 is and the only bit they will be interested in is from Central London to Heathrow
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11/02/2021 14:43:19 311 69
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HS2 is a prime example of what happens when lobbyists get their way. In this case it’s CEOs for large contractors getting lucrative contracts, to deliver a project with spiralling costs and delays for something that will be obsolete with the rise in remote working capability.

The BCR value for this needs to be redone, given everything that’s happened since it last was.
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11/02/2021 14:48:31 85 31
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agree 100%
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11/02/2021 16:26:18 2 1
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Luddites R US
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11/02/2021 14:46:06 237 46
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I have to ask, aside from the contractors, who else is this going to benefit?

HS2 may well be out of date be out of date by time it is completed, and at what cost to the British taxpayer? Initial estimate £40bn, I think we all know you can put an extra 0 on that.

All this while spending half of the national rail budget on one line while others crumble.

Farcical.
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BD
11/02/2021 14:50:40 155 28
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Not only "at what cost to the British taxpayer?", but also at what cost to the environment is this unnecessary, vanity project going to benefit ...
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11/02/2021 15:28:51 13 4
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and the ordinary tax payer will not be able to afford to travel on it
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11/02/2021 16:10:53 8 3
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HS2 will benefit the environment but reducing domestic air travel, allowing much more freight to be carried by rail by freeing up space on the existing network and reducing the number of long distance car journeys.
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11/02/2021 14:51:16 5 6
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Brilliant! The only low carbon solution. Onwards to Scotland.
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Ian
11/02/2021 14:48:20 104 36
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?? We ?? don't ?? need ?? HS2 ?? ???
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11/02/2021 14:51:26 31 106
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No one is forcing you to buy a ticket, though
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11/02/2021 14:54:44 32 1
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No, but our money is being used to build it.
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11/02/2021 15:00:28 19 0
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Maybe not, but we are being forced to pay for it though.
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tom
11/02/2021 14:58:33 29 0
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What a ridiculous comment. This comment is more suited to an program on the TV - “no one is forcing you to watch though”.

HS2 is costing many tens of billions and it’s being paid for by 20% of our income. Many many other things could do with that kind of cash injection, and they’d do a lot more good than this rail line
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11/02/2021 15:42:01 10 0
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We're ALL being forced to pay for it via taxation.
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11/02/2021 15:46:13 11 0
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Don't think I'll be needing a train from Crewe to London anytime soon, however fast it is.
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11/02/2021 15:47:47 11 0
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Most folk won't be able to afford a ticket unless it is subsidisedby all us taxpayers.
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11/02/2021 16:07:50 9 0
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I live in Dorset so no use for me but still have to pay for it.
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11/02/2021 16:11:08 8 0
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but we are forced to pay for it...
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11/02/2021 18:10:17 0 0
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But we are all paying for it regardless, and once paid for the monority population who will use it will pay again!
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12/02/2021 13:16:43 0 0
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No, after being forced to pay for it, we won’t be able to afford a ticket.
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11/02/2021 14:51:31 11 6
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Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said: "I look forward to seeing spades in the ground"

Oh dear...
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11/02/2021 16:28:59 0 1
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Is he looking forward to seeing more ancient woodland ripped out?
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11/02/2021 14:51:41 73 12
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“Supporters of HS2 say it will spur economic growth, help level up the country, and provide greener transport.”

Effectively expanding the London commuter belt does not look like “levelling up the country”.
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11/02/2021 15:20:52 29 18
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The point of levelling up is to make basing your business outside London an attractive proposition. As London City dies we get regeneration in Brum or Nottingham etc through services moving North.
This country has never invested properly in it's railways and it's about time we did.
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11/02/2021 15:37:53 1 5
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No one is doing their daily commute on this, I don't get the negativity, it gives people options, you can live out in the midlands, and do a day or two in London a week, much better quality of life and will suit post-pandemic working.
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11/02/2021 14:52:08 6 7
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"Next phrase of wasting tens of billions of tax payers money to reduce a journey by 5 minutes and ensuring contractor's P&L accounts are unbelievably healthy and Tory land owner's bank balances are padded nicely is due to proceed"

There... fixed it for ya BBC...
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11/02/2021 15:13:48 1 0
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Sure you do not work for the BBC?
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11/02/2021 18:26:01 0 0
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Which journey is being reduced by 5 minutes?
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11/02/2021 14:52:40 20 6
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LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

My 14 year old Fiat Punto has got a more advanced looking windscreen wiper than the HS2 train in the picture.....

At least HS2 will be in the history books (Maybe some world records too) as one of the greatest fails ever....
* Most expensive project.
* Most expensive train to use.
* Least used form of public transportation.
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11/02/2021 15:41:34 8 1
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Everyone said the same about HS1, Victoria Line, Jubilee Line, Channel Tunnel, sure its expensive but once it's built we'll forget about it and just use it.
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11/02/2021 14:52:42 12 9
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This is the biggest waste of money it should be stopped particularly given the current state of the British economy. I can't see personal or business travel ever getting back to pre-covid levels and that would free up,existing railways for transporting goods.
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11/02/2021 14:55:51 9 4
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And your evidence for that assertion is??
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11/02/2021 14:44:22 79 28
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Waste on top of waste, keeps the Tory donors happy.
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11/02/2021 14:52:44 6 28
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which is nice
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11/02/2021 15:14:53 4 1
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Government corruption is nice? I hadn't heard that before.
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11/02/2021 16:31:35 2 0
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Do you get a kick out of replying to every post, with your inane drivel ?
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11/02/2021 14:47:58 86 23
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The HS2 project has nothing whatever to do with regenerating the midlands and North and everything to do with generating contracts and jobs for the construction workers. The government have already tacitly acknowledged this and now with much less people travelling it has become totally redundant.
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11/02/2021 14:52:54 37 27
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So you are expecting the pandemic to last till at least 2030 ?
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11/02/2021 14:56:19 13 2
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I think the expectation is that now people are used to remote meetings, etc. they will continue to travel less.
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xlr
11/02/2021 14:58:02 8 1
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I expect the societal changes to work practices caused by the pandemic to last longer than that.
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11/02/2021 15:04:37 6 3
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Covid will still be with us in 2030
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11/02/2021 15:45:12 9 2
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The reduction in travel will last well beyond 2030.

Now people realise of a lot travel can be negated by using Zoom, Facetime, etc.

HS2 is already obsolete.
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11/02/2021 15:53:00 6 1
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No, but the experience of the last year has shown that people will travel much less, and that there are more efficient ways of communicating.
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11/02/2021 18:11:09 1 0
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The effects of it will ripple outwards for decades.
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11/02/2021 21:18:36 0 0
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Yes
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11/02/2021 14:53:10 8 5
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"Look at both parties now just letting the HS2 debacle grow and grow with the budget out of control, the schedule out of control, officials briefing ludicrously that the ‘high speed’ rail will be SLOWED DOWN to reduce costs and so on, all while an army of privileged looters, lobbyists, and lawyers hoover up taxpayer cash"

- Dominic Cummings
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11/02/2021 15:08:36 3 4
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I don't want to agree with Dominic Cummings, but HS2 is a giant waste of money and an environmental disaster.
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11/02/2021 14:52:20 22 6
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The main justification for HS2 at this point seems to be "We've started so we may as well finish". Yes they've spent a lot but cutting the cord now would still save us 10s of billions. Sadly that isn't going to happen, it would be too humiliating for the government at this stage. Someone should have had the courage to do so sooner
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11/02/2021 14:53:17 26 11
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Terrible news and an utter waste of public money which could be far better spent, especially considering people's need to travel post-pandemic will be dramatically reduced.

This vanity project's justification is as hollow as the claim you can simply relocate ancient woodland.
Removed
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11/02/2021 14:49:58 17 7
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Even Rees-Mogg said it should be abandoned and that we should cut our losses on it.
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11/02/2021 14:53:28 14 2
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... and he's been right on nearly everything up until this point right?
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11/02/2021 15:11:14 0 0
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"Even" was the key word there.
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11/02/2021 14:53:39 21 6
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They should put it on hold until we can see what the post-covid work world looks like. Many people won't be working five days a week in an office, my company is closing one of two nearby offices and expects some people to work 2-3 days a week from home and others only to come on for exceptional meetings.

We are much more used to remote working now, perhaps there won't be the demad for travel.
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11/02/2021 15:23:57 8 0
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You can't 'put on hold' a massive infrastructure project without adding more £b to the cost.
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11/02/2021 15:43:07 3 4
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Absolutely howling at everyone that is now using COVID as an excuse to justify cancelling HS2!!! 10 mins ago you were all complaining at being locked up in your houses.... what was that saying from a year ago? 'Have your cake and eat it'

absolutely ridiculous
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12/02/2021 00:30:03 1 0
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Unfortunately this comment is why so much of our infrastructure is insufficient. If you look at the time it takes to approve some other national infrastructure projects those delays mean that the build specification we work to is out of date. We often look too short term rather than 30-50 years ahead & as a result existing infrastructure we want to relive/potentially repair becomes a nightmare.
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Ian
11/02/2021 14:53:41 4 5
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We don't need no HS2, ain't we
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Gib
11/02/2021 14:54:19 17 6
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I wonder how much it would have cost to install 5G nation wide. Or ripping out all the old copper telephone network and replacing it with fibre. Seems like it would have been a better way to spend the money.
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11/02/2021 15:23:45 5 1
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Have a look at the Ofcom and Openreach websites (other organisations are available!). 5G and Full-fibre are in hand. Salisbury's full-fibre installation was reported as complete recently. 2025 seems to be the target for national roll-out.
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11/02/2021 15:39:50 1 0
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Pretty sure we're doing these things too, broadband infrastructure in this country is about as good as you can expect for what people want to pay for it
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11/02/2021 14:48:31 26 65
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What economic tripe
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11/02/2021 14:54:37 10 3
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Economic tripe but political truth.
27
11/02/2021 14:51:26 31 106
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No one is forcing you to buy a ticket, though
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11/02/2021 14:54:44 32 1
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No, but our money is being used to build it.
403
11/02/2021 16:15:10 0 3
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Your money?!
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11/02/2021 14:43:19 311 69
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HS2 is a prime example of what happens when lobbyists get their way. In this case it’s CEOs for large contractors getting lucrative contracts, to deliver a project with spiralling costs and delays for something that will be obsolete with the rise in remote working capability.

The BCR value for this needs to be redone, given everything that’s happened since it last was.
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11/02/2021 14:55:09 6 9
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As HS2 won't be operational till 2030 at least then do you have a crystal ball to tell us all what we will need then.
I am hoping we won't be in lockdown ...
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11/02/2021 14:55:13 7 4
bbc
Got to keep the construction cronies happy
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11/02/2021 14:55:19 15 8
bbc
During this pandemic, lots of people have been forced to embrace technology such as Zoom, GoToMeet and MSTeams, this technology will just get better and better, and the more people that use it will mean a % of those that would previously have travelled to / from meetings, won't have to. HS2 could well be redundant before they finish building it!
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11/02/2021 15:42:39 4 4
bbc
Opposite Matty, suddenly we're learning we only need to go into the office once or twice a week, so people are looking at options to live further out of London with better quality of life, HS2 will enable this.
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11/02/2021 14:55:32 11 9
bbc
Deficit over £300 billion and now billions wasted on HS2.

You would think a clown and his bunch of sycophantic doormats were playing trash the country.

And you would be exactly right!
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11/02/2021 15:02:13 5 3
bbc
You do know the cost is spread over 20 years, provides jobs and improves infrastructure.

I think lots of people objected to turning dirt tracks into roads, digging canals, building our existing rail network, closing branch lines, building airports, not having airports and the extension on the back of my house.
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11/02/2021 15:07:38 1 0
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Wrong.
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11/02/2021 14:55:41 304 20
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If they're so determined to "level up the country", why didn't construction start at the northern end?
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11/02/2021 14:58:20 137 19
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Watch it be scrapped after reaching the midlands. They need to justify it as a whole-country project, but doubt if it will be.
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11/02/2021 15:53:17 11 5
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It's just political spin, BJ loves the media, he isn't a worthy or honest PM. Simples
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11/02/2021 16:05:53 14 3
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Like the recent railway enhancements abnnounced as levelling up. £700 million for a line between the northern towns of Oxford and Cambridge and then a mere £40 million for Northumbria.
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11/02/2021 16:32:26 9 2
bbc
It is funny i've seen this point wield out as a cheap jibe for about 10 years now - never once seen a rail expert actually propose it.

The reason is obvious - there is no space on the West Coast mainline line south of Birmingham to accommodate more or faster trains given the mix of local services operating on the same infrastructure. Different situation between Brum and Manchester.
494
11/02/2021 16:44:33 7 5
bbc
Unfortunately the map Boris looked at when signing off was upside down.
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AMc
11/02/2021 16:58:48 7 5
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Because you'd have nicked the rails for scrap metal before they had chance to lay them!
612
11/02/2021 20:00:54 1 0
bbc
I think the idea was to link via Eurostar. Eurostar runs from London into Europe.
665
11/02/2021 22:48:02 3 0
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It has started at several locations along the route. When you build a new railway you start at one end and build out, you start at many places - especially things like tunnels - and join them up. Works have already started at Curzon St in Birmingham and London Euston as well as Old Oak Common plus many other sites.
720
12/02/2021 06:02:35 0 2
bbc
The whole Northern Powerhouse lark was just a ruse to win votes in the North, everyone knows that. Similarly with Brexit, now the fascists have Brexit, after the media campaign of brainwashing an unsuspecting public, the Tories will lose their Northern again in this year's local elections
745
12/02/2021 08:44:01 0 0
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Are you really that daft? Whats the point having fast route to London that goes from Manchester to Birmingham?
774
12/02/2021 09:51:03 0 3
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because they are lying ... Newcastle to Sheffield via Leeds .. Then in a cross from Liverpool to Hull Freeports via Manchester and Leeds.
That is the only North rail offering we need.
HS2 is corruption of the highest order and is more levelling down.
In the final stage Birmingham should choose to connect to Manchester and Sheffield or London.
Govt lies lies lies and misinformation. VOTE them out.
819
12/02/2021 14:05:37 0 0
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65 years too late. France could have sold the UK TGV but no....
Head in the sand like Brexit
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11/02/2021 14:52:42 12 9
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This is the biggest waste of money it should be stopped particularly given the current state of the British economy. I can't see personal or business travel ever getting back to pre-covid levels and that would free up,existing railways for transporting goods.
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11/02/2021 14:55:51 9 4
bbc
And your evidence for that assertion is??
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11/02/2021 14:55:56 2 10
bbc
scrap the whole thing and turn it into a motorway. People prefer cars to trains, roads instead of rail.
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11/02/2021 15:03:12 1 1
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That's the problem - we need to get people out of planes and non-electric cars to cut down congestion and air pollution in our cities and around our airports and reduce lung damage!! It must be extended to Scotland to reduce air travel.
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11/02/2021 14:56:08 6 10
bbc
Great news, we're on the way.......bring it on.....
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11/02/2021 14:52:54 37 27
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So you are expecting the pandemic to last till at least 2030 ?
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11/02/2021 14:56:19 13 2
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I think the expectation is that now people are used to remote meetings, etc. they will continue to travel less.
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11/02/2021 14:57:02 13 10
bbc
Scrap it.
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xlr
11/02/2021 14:57:11 14 4
bbc
And it has about as much chance of being extended to Leeds as I have of marrying Scarlett Johansson.
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11/02/2021 15:05:52 9 0
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I'm sure Scarlett will be relived to hear that.
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11/02/2021 15:10:00 1 0
bbc
Will you marry me? Scarlett
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11/02/2021 14:52:54 37 27
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So you are expecting the pandemic to last till at least 2030 ?
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xlr
11/02/2021 14:58:02 8 1
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I expect the societal changes to work practices caused by the pandemic to last longer than that.
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abc
11/02/2021 14:58:05 6 10
bbc
Great news. Roll on Phase 2b and the Eastern Branch in full. Start also planning for northward extensions to Scotland and Westward extensions to Wales and SW England.
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11/02/2021 14:58:10 114 8
bbc
A high speed East-West link connecting Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds and Hull would be a much better use of the money.
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11/02/2021 15:05:21 36 21
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That's should be an 'as well as' not an 'instead of '.
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11/02/2021 15:09:24 5 2
bbc
Totally agree - the cross Pennine rail link is appalling - infrequent rail busses that stop at EVERY station. We desperately need a non-stop service with sensible length trains. I prefer to drive the M62 even though it can get very congested, as it takes even longer by train Leeds to Manchester even taking slow traffic into account!
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11/02/2021 15:15:42 3 2
bbc
You've basically described HS3 (otherwise known as Nothern Powerhouse Rail).

Hopefully it gets approved because it would make a lot of sense. What a lot of people here aren't saying though is that HS2 is a pre-requisite to projects like this.
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11/02/2021 15:33:41 5 0
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You're forgetting Sheffield.

Sheffield to Manchester is a lovely scenic slow route via the Peak District but it has scarcely improved since the Victorians built it. The faster electric route via Woodhead, which closed around 1970, still largely exists and will need far less to reopen it than building a completely new railway.
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11/02/2021 15:38:25 5 2
bbc
This idea is more like "levelling up the country", whereas the current idea for HS2 seems more like expanding London Commuter Belt
Is Boris hoping that Scotland will go independent by 2100, which is probably when the real "North" of the country might see it reach there.
The English centred idea of the UK needs to be addressed first. Saying Leeds is in the north is like saying it's on the coast
679
12/02/2021 00:05:27 0 0
bbc
One of the problems is station and line infrastructure so how would this service be accommodated with the fast services using the existing platforms. The marketing failed to explain how HS2 can also increase the frequency of stopping & semi fast services which we need to ensure that there is investment in capacity & reliability both locally & intercity services addressing previous service failures
740
12/02/2021 08:29:14 0 1
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Not really; improving the existing service, with more frequent and longer trains so you aren't packed in like sardines would be a better use of the money. HS3 yields no benefit as it can take an hour to reach Piccadilly, just to save 5 minutes getting to Leeds. Increasing the frequency of links to & from the suburbs saves more time than fancy new train across the Pennines.
759
12/02/2021 09:19:55 0 0
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Who wants to go to Hull though? Even if you could quickly?!
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11/02/2021 14:55:41 304 20
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If they're so determined to "level up the country", why didn't construction start at the northern end?
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11/02/2021 14:58:20 137 19
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Watch it be scrapped after reaching the midlands. They need to justify it as a whole-country project, but doubt if it will be.
578
11/02/2021 18:53:18 3 4
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Should be scrapped long before it gets that far.
737
12/02/2021 08:24:59 0 1
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Curiously, the Midlanders are bearing the brunt of the project - its inconvenience and devastation - but gaining absolutely none of its alleged benefits.
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12/02/2021 11:20:06 0 0
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MOST OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION WILL HAVE BEEN DONE BY THEN
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11/02/2021 14:58:25 32 8
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It's pointless as business people are now doing most meetings online, it will be unaffordable for the normal travelling public, it uses 19th century technology (tracks of iron 4ft 8½ins apart), it is going to rip through irreplaceable countryside, most people are against it and worst of all it is INCREDIBLY expensive and will merely suck money into London, not distribute money to the regions
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abc
11/02/2021 15:26:22 3 6
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All inter city trains will use it. It is not going to be sold as a Premium Service.
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11/02/2021 15:36:09 2 1
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Actually it's been 1435mm for most of a century now. Electricity is also a 19th century technology, time to dump that too?
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11/02/2021 14:58:50 10 9
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I was all in favour of HS2, but since I have seen first hand what it is doing to the wildlife and natural habitat, I am totally against it, it is not just the construction of the rail link but also there are many roads that are under construction for the construction vehicles to get to these sites, it is a waste of money and should of been set aside for the NHS to build better newer hospitals
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11/02/2021 15:05:16 4 1
bbc
I presume you are against windfarms then given the massive impact they are having on birdlife?
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11/02/2021 15:12:45 0 0
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Costs are totally out of control, but as an engineer I am very unhappy that whilst we invented railways almost every country in Europe has a WORKING high speed system unlike the UK. Sorry I forgot HS1, a few miles long. All we do is talk and spend money nothing comes out. As for Crossrail, well!!! I did a week's work on that in the early 90's & still not working.
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11/02/2021 14:45:12 94 36
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Tory donors need to make money out of their 'investment'. Plenty of taxpayer's money left to shovel into their pockets as bonuses.
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11/02/2021 14:58:56 1 6
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You must have a viable alternative to "investment"

let's hear it
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Ian
11/02/2021 14:48:20 104 36
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?? We ?? don't ?? need ?? HS2 ?? ???
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11/02/2021 14:59:07 1 14
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We don't need cars either. What's your point?
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11/02/2021 14:59:09 15 6
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The current estimated cost of HS2 is around £100 billion over the next 20 years.
That works out at about £100 million every single week. For 20 years.
Surely there are better ways to spend this vast amount of money?
90
11/02/2021 15:04:35 3 2
bbc
Oh, is that where the NHS money is going!
93
11/02/2021 15:04:49 1 2
bbc
£100 billion doesn't even fund 9 months for the NHS ... surely we can spend our money better as people aren't getting healthier ?
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11/02/2021 15:08:13 1 0
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NHS?
482
11/02/2021 16:23:55 1 1
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Yes and it's money that the younger generation will be paying off, for something that will be obsolete within their lifetimes and does nothing to help the worsening climate and ecological crises they will also be trying to deal with.
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11/02/2021 14:59:17 25 10
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Can we have a referendum on HS2 please Boris ?
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11/02/2021 15:05:19 10 21
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the last GE was it
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11/02/2021 15:06:58 3 1
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Can we have a referendum on Boris please?
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11/02/2021 14:59:35 14 1
bbc
While I instinctively don’t agree with HS2 or the rationale I would like to think that it would help the economy in its construction e.g. better to have people employed rather than unemployed (isn’t that what FDR did in the USA to drag it out of recession?)
477
11/02/2021 16:16:03 1 2
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Yes but people are now asking for a green new deal and the balance of carbon emissions, destruction of nature and timing of this project means that it is definitely not green
27
11/02/2021 14:51:26 31 106
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No one is forcing you to buy a ticket, though
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11/02/2021 15:00:28 19 0
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Maybe not, but we are being forced to pay for it though.
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11/02/2021 14:58:15 3 5
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We will still be locked in unable to travel for years to come.No point to it
27
11/02/2021 14:51:26 31 106
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No one is forcing you to buy a ticket, though
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tom
11/02/2021 14:58:33 29 0
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What a ridiculous comment. This comment is more suited to an program on the TV - “no one is forcing you to watch though”.

HS2 is costing many tens of billions and it’s being paid for by 20% of our income. Many many other things could do with that kind of cash injection, and they’d do a lot more good than this rail line
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11/02/2021 15:37:38 0 9
bbc
Could you give us some examples? Where would you spend the money?
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11/02/2021 14:53:17 26 11
bbc
Terrible news and an utter waste of public money which could be far better spent, especially considering people's need to travel post-pandemic will be dramatically reduced.

This vanity project's justification is as hollow as the claim you can simply relocate ancient woodland.
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Sid
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Removed
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11/02/2021 15:00:03 7 6
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STOP CROSSRAIL = BUT THEY NEVER MOAN ABOUT THAT DO THEY ? LETS MAKE LONDON EVEN BIGGER AND SOD THE REST OF THE COUNTRY
81
11/02/2021 15:02:57 4 2
bbc
Indeed... The London centric liberal elite have brushed their very own cross rail fiasco under the carpet...
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11/02/2021 15:01:28 5 7
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And Britain voted to take back control of its money!!! LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOL!!!

Seriously? the conservative party is a far greater liability than the UKS membership of the E.U. and the above article proves that.

£2.1 trillion debt + growing.
82
11/02/2021 15:03:07 6 1
bbc
So you are opposed to funding furlough, the increased NHS requirements and the vaccine program ... ?
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11/02/2021 14:49:30 115 33
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Another way to siphon off public money into the hands of Tory donating big business and individuals.

Ripping up ancient woodland, destroying acres of wildlife habitat.

Ask yourself: What is this REALLY about?
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11/02/2021 15:01:36 17 96
bbc
It sounds a lot like Envy.
Given your previous comments I take it you are making out of this or were you just born a ....head Removed
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11/02/2021 15:13:43 15 4
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Envy about what? Not having £100,000,000,000 spent on you so that you can tear through historic areas and demolish listed buildings?
554
11/02/2021 18:08:42 0 0
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No more likely FACT.
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11/02/2021 15:01:52 5 5
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Excellent news.. the London centric liberal elite won't be happy though with anything that goes north of the M25.... They've hushed up their own cross rail fiasco though.
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11/02/2021 15:53:56 0 0
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fella, London's not your enemy, I enjoy everything this country as to offer....
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11/02/2021 15:01:52 6 6
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Waste of money.

Level up the country? It'll just suck more money into London and does nothing for the vast majority of the country.
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11/02/2021 14:49:30 115 33
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Another way to siphon off public money into the hands of Tory donating big business and individuals.

Ripping up ancient woodland, destroying acres of wildlife habitat.

Ask yourself: What is this REALLY about?
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11/02/2021 15:01:53 14 1
bbc
Here's a quote directly from Wikipedia: "six Grade II listed buildings will be [demolished], with alterations to four and removal and relocation of eight." For a party called The Conservatives, they don't seem to care about conserving our history.
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11/02/2021 15:39:53 6 13
bbc
A building can be Grade 2 listed for so many reasons though. It doesn't even necessarily have to be that old... it might just have nice chimneys. Pardon me, but I don't think a few pretty chimneys outweigh the benefits of updating our transport infrastructure
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11/02/2021 14:47:58 86 23
bbc
The HS2 project has nothing whatever to do with regenerating the midlands and North and everything to do with generating contracts and jobs for the construction workers. The government have already tacitly acknowledged this and now with much less people travelling it has become totally redundant.
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11/02/2021 15:01:56 6 6
bbc
Obviously all construction workers should be immediately sacked and their families forced to starve.
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11/02/2021 16:09:49 5 1
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So the point of big infrastructure projects is to pay construction workers? Why don't we then do it for something that is needed and is value for money like insulating peoples homes.
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11/02/2021 14:55:32 11 9
bbc
Deficit over £300 billion and now billions wasted on HS2.

You would think a clown and his bunch of sycophantic doormats were playing trash the country.

And you would be exactly right!
77
11/02/2021 15:02:13 5 3
bbc
You do know the cost is spread over 20 years, provides jobs and improves infrastructure.

I think lots of people objected to turning dirt tracks into roads, digging canals, building our existing rail network, closing branch lines, building airports, not having airports and the extension on the back of my house.
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11/02/2021 16:33:29 0 0
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Lots of things could provide jobs that would also provide a service or build something that was really needed and wasn't as destructive. When you delve into the facts and figures this project really doesn't stack up and has nothing to do with your extension.
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11/02/2021 15:02:16 8 6
bbc
Forget the economics, environmental impact etc for a moment. What's the point of a high speed line anyway? Knowing our railway operators it will be slowed down by floods in the spring, hot buckling rails in summer, leaves on the line in autumn and snow and ice in winter, all leading to the delays and cancellations we see on the current network...
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11/02/2021 15:05:55 0 0
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And if you're wrong and the system is perfect, why not simply upgrade the existing routes?
108
11/02/2021 15:05:12 0 0
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Not to mention travel being banned indefinitely due to "Covid".
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11/02/2021 15:50:27 1 0
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Our existing rail lines have all those problems you have just listed because they are overused and there is no capacity to shut them down in order to upgrade the tracks to prevent all these problems happening in the future!
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11/02/2021 14:50:31 6 24
bbc
Choo choo all aboard !

except all you moaning minnies
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11/02/2021 15:02:32 9 1
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Speed_2#Environmental_and_community_impact
Read all of that, and then tell me why it's necessary.
321
11/02/2021 15:54:13 0 12
bbc
Promise me I'll never have to sit on the seat next to your passive aggression
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11/02/2021 15:02:42 9 7
bbc
If I had any doubts about the HS2 project, then seeing those anti-HS2 protesters in London recently has completely dispelled them. If they are against it, it must be a good thing.
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11/02/2021 15:05:01 1 2
bbc
Shame we cant protest against backward views too
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11/02/2021 15:00:03 7 6
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STOP CROSSRAIL = BUT THEY NEVER MOAN ABOUT THAT DO THEY ? LETS MAKE LONDON EVEN BIGGER AND SOD THE REST OF THE COUNTRY
81
11/02/2021 15:02:57 4 2
bbc
Indeed... The London centric liberal elite have brushed their very own cross rail fiasco under the carpet...
300
11/02/2021 15:50:21 1 0
bbc
When you visit Paris, Hong Kong, New York, Beijing do you complain about the liberal elite's while using their Metro systems - these cities don't exist without good metro systems.
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11/02/2021 15:01:28 5 7
bbc
And Britain voted to take back control of its money!!! LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOL!!!

Seriously? the conservative party is a far greater liability than the UKS membership of the E.U. and the above article proves that.

£2.1 trillion debt + growing.
82
11/02/2021 15:03:07 6 1
bbc
So you are opposed to funding furlough, the increased NHS requirements and the vaccine program ... ?
You mean gene threapy yes! Removed
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11/02/2021 14:55:56 2 10
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scrap the whole thing and turn it into a motorway. People prefer cars to trains, roads instead of rail.
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11/02/2021 15:03:12 1 1
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That's the problem - we need to get people out of planes and non-electric cars to cut down congestion and air pollution in our cities and around our airports and reduce lung damage!! It must be extended to Scotland to reduce air travel.
82
11/02/2021 15:03:07 6 1
bbc
So you are opposed to funding furlough, the increased NHS requirements and the vaccine program ... ?
You mean gene threapy yes! Removed
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11/02/2021 15:04:12 4 2
bbc
To be realistic, tory supporters of the government will have a lot of investment in the production costs of HS2, and in the trains that will run on it, whether or not it is needed for the majority of people.
Most people will not use it anyway, because it is mostly intercity only! So they may find that revenues don't meet expectations.
It may be useful to move goods in containers, or coal wagons?
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11/02/2021 15:04:22 12 4
bbc
I thought that the country was is financial difficulties requiring a cut in expenditure or massive tax increases.

Travel is currently much reduced so HS2 is not currently needed. Work from home may remove the need altogether.

So why this ridiculous waste of money now of all times?

Suspend or cancel altogether.
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11/02/2021 15:43:48 3 2
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Its illogical to think that work-from-home reduces demand for longer distance journeys, sure local urban commuter services yes, but not inter-city routes.
Hospitals, schools, doctors surgeries,homes, internet infrastructure, safe cladding and the existing rail network and roads. All things that the billions would be better spent on sorting out. All things that require a construction industry employing thousands of people and providing apprentices with a career. Not a single rail line for a few tossers... please! Removed
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11/02/2021 15:04:27 7 2
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This is all about London, not the North. There will be some MP buddies making some serious coin out of HS2.
89
11/02/2021 15:04:34 11 8
bbc
What a complete disaster. This rail network is no longer needed. Just the political elites lining each other’s pockets. And with no concern for the planet.
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11/02/2021 14:59:09 15 6
bbc
The current estimated cost of HS2 is around £100 billion over the next 20 years.
That works out at about £100 million every single week. For 20 years.
Surely there are better ways to spend this vast amount of money?
90
11/02/2021 15:04:35 3 2
bbc
Oh, is that where the NHS money is going!
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11/02/2021 14:52:54 37 27
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So you are expecting the pandemic to last till at least 2030 ?
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11/02/2021 15:04:37 6 3
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Covid will still be with us in 2030
92
11/02/2021 15:04:38 5 4
bbc
And we all know who the fat controller is on this pointless waste of money
63
11/02/2021 14:59:09 15 6
bbc
The current estimated cost of HS2 is around £100 billion over the next 20 years.
That works out at about £100 million every single week. For 20 years.
Surely there are better ways to spend this vast amount of money?
93
11/02/2021 15:04:49 1 2
bbc
£100 billion doesn't even fund 9 months for the NHS ... surely we can spend our money better as people aren't getting healthier ?
536
11/02/2021 17:34:57 1 0
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The NHS employs 1.3 million people and cares for the whole UK population.
The point of spending £100 million every week for 20 years on HS2 is... er...erm...
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11/02/2021 15:02:42 9 7
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If I had any doubts about the HS2 project, then seeing those anti-HS2 protesters in London recently has completely dispelled them. If they are against it, it must be a good thing.
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11/02/2021 15:05:01 1 2
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Shame we cant protest against backward views too
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11/02/2021 15:19:07 3 0
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You could always start protesting against the existing road and rail network, you know, make up for those who didn't protest in Victorian times, shut them down and go back to horse and carts.
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11/02/2021 14:43:19 311 69
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HS2 is a prime example of what happens when lobbyists get their way. In this case it’s CEOs for large contractors getting lucrative contracts, to deliver a project with spiralling costs and delays for something that will be obsolete with the rise in remote working capability.

The BCR value for this needs to be redone, given everything that’s happened since it last was.
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11/02/2021 15:05:08 10 17
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Whilst I don't doubt lobbying played a part in this - I also can't see why we wouldn't want to do this. It has been proven time and again that investing in infrastructure projects helps boost economies and create jobs, PLUS it is bringing a much needed high speed rail connection sorely missing for many decades. To imply home working is going to be a magic solution is misguided and short-termist.
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11/02/2021 15:11:08 8 6
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Absolutely. And for all the people saying we should spend money on other projects instead, that's short-sighted. We should be doing them *as well*. We've been suffering for years with under-investment in infrastructure.
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BD
11/02/2021 17:27:32 1 0
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So how often will using this rail link?
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12/02/2021 09:33:25 0 1
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The question is: is reducing travel time from the Midlands to London the big infrastructure project we need? No.
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11/02/2021 14:58:50 10 9
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I was all in favour of HS2, but since I have seen first hand what it is doing to the wildlife and natural habitat, I am totally against it, it is not just the construction of the rail link but also there are many roads that are under construction for the construction vehicles to get to these sites, it is a waste of money and should of been set aside for the NHS to build better newer hospitals
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11/02/2021 15:05:16 4 1
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I presume you are against windfarms then given the massive impact they are having on birdlife?
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11/02/2021 15:05:18 2 4
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Upsets the Tory / Nimby lot? Great. Get digging.
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11/02/2021 14:59:17 25 10
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Can we have a referendum on HS2 please Boris ?
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11/02/2021 15:05:19 10 21
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the last GE was it
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11/02/2021 15:14:47 2 1
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You just can't help yourself can you
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11/02/2021 14:58:10 114 8
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A high speed East-West link connecting Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds and Hull would be a much better use of the money.
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11/02/2021 15:05:21 36 21
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That's should be an 'as well as' not an 'instead of '.
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11/02/2021 16:02:11 0 1
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correct!
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11/02/2021 16:38:04 2 1
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we can't spend spend spend like the UK has won the lottery when in fact we have just made a massively bad deal to make us poorer - even £ tax pound spent has to be done so wisely with sufficient return and HS2 has never demonstrated a good multipler.
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11/02/2021 15:05:29 3 3
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and wait till its built and all those hailing it as great until they see the price of a ticket, they sure gonna sting you for it.