Toxic air puts six million at risk of lung damage
11/02/2021 | news | science | 760
Six million people aged over 65 in England are at high risk of lung damage, a new report says.
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11/02/2021 10:37:58 74 21
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That's just one of the reasons why we need to shift away from burning fossil fuels as soon as possible - it's really bad for the planet, bad we have to rely on them from dodgy regimes and really bad for our health.
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11/02/2021 10:43:25 47 73
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And we have a Govt who is opening a new coal mine!
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11/02/2021 11:02:51 13 12
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So you're happy to be paying over £120 a month on energy bills because we import gas, oil and coal yet our own 'green' energy contributes about 0.2% to the National Grid?

Anything we do is a drop in the ocean compared to the CO2 being created in Russia, India, China and Germany from coal driven power stations.

We're just stupid Brits tinkering on the sidelines paying over the odds for energy.
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11/02/2021 15:13:39 0 0
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shift away from diesel German cars
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11/02/2021 15:17:24 0 0
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You need to undestand that most PM 2.5s come from our kitchens not our vehicles.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1352231011008600
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12/02/2021 00:21:02 0 0
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8.7 million according to a recent joint American-British study (which, by the way, failed to include deaths from ozone and wood smoke).
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12/02/2021 06:54:38 0 0
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No it isn't.
Fossil fuels being used more wisely, to keep the pollution away from humans is what is necessary.
CO2 is a cornerstone of life, not a pollutant.
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11/02/2021 10:39:22 88 4
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I'd imagine that toxic air isn't good for anyone!
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11/02/2021 10:53:58 68 109
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All caused by the last Labour government
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11/02/2021 12:19:33 5 8
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The biggest problem is road humps everywhere, roads closed off, 24 hour bus lanes, traffic lights every few yards, traffic lights on roundabouts and chicanes everywhere massively increasing pollution!

Council Road planners are 100% to blame!
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11/02/2021 15:12:54 0 1
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They promoted fuels like Diesel ...Germans and EU were busy polluting the continent
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11/02/2021 10:40:23 16 29
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Some of us who have experienced bad air have been telling the Tories to do what they repeatedly pledged to do for decades.

But instead of working to implement clean air policies coming from the EU they chose to leave the EU so that they would be free to poison their own people. THEY are criminals.

NEVER VOTE TORY! - They kill you (for their personal profit!!!)
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11/02/2021 10:53:23 7 5
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I love the EU clean air emission policies. Especially the one where the Germans are building a raft of new coal fired plants!

Ok, I cherry-picked that bit:)
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11/02/2021 10:56:59 1 2
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I recall complaining about terrible sir quality in London many years ago when on the tube its was impossible to see from one end of a deep tube platform to the other end. Nothing was done. Except that travellers were subjected to terrible air quality. (this was well after smoking was stopped.)

The policy to suffocate the people remains!
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11/02/2021 10:59:42 1 1
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Rubbish
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11/02/2021 10:40:33 3 7
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makes wearing a mask even more sensible....
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11/02/2021 10:46:19 11 4
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Masks do not filter PM10, PM2.5s or viruses. They reduce you spraying out droplets that might contain virus, usually when you talk.
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11/02/2021 10:55:49 2 3
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Masks do nothing against the pollution being discussed here. People just assume they do because it looks like they should.
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11/02/2021 10:42:08 210 9
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All I can say is, since Lockdown I am not spending upto 2 hours a day in traffic, and the traffic levels have dropped significantly...

And my Asthma has gone.
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11/02/2021 11:03:34 120 28
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We should demand our politicians (whether they be right wi h or left wing), stop allowing air to be polluted, stop allowing water to be polluted, stop allowing food to be filled with rubbish.

We are being slowed poisoned by the environment we live in. Demand better!
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11/02/2021 10:58:56 14 3
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You might not live in London where car use is only slightly down where I live.

What I want to know is, with everything closed including schools, the fact we are not allowed to see anyone outside our bubble, where is everyone going in their cars? I can tell you it's not supermarket shopping or going to work.
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11/02/2021 11:21:21 6 11
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Your Asthma has gone, but lets not forget all the problems you've caused others with the same pollution.
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11/02/2021 11:26:09 15 1
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As someone posted on another thread - Search for "BBC UK air pollutants continue decline" and there is a very informative graph showing a huge drop in all air pollutants over the last 50 years, some by as much as 70 or 80%.
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11/02/2021 11:28:14 17 1
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It wasn't that long ago, pre-M25, that commercial vehicles clogged the streets of London on route to/from Dover. No particulate filters attached to diesels in those days. The air has definitely improved in recent decades.
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11/02/2021 12:16:56 5 2
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Interesting. 20 years ago pretty much every single lung condition was blamed on smoking, being around other people smoking, growing up with parents who smoked. Humungous campaigns, ASH calling for enforced culling of smokers (joke) etc etc. So it all stopped, public bans and so forth. I remember saying "I think walking down the main road is worse for people".
Hmmmmm.
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11/02/2021 13:26:03 1 0
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What? Traffic levels in Edinburgh have been back to pre-March 2020 levels for months and that many car journeys can't be all essential.
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11/02/2021 14:15:09 0 0
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" the traffic levels have dropped significantly... And my Asthma has gone."

I had asthma as a child. As a teenager in the 1960s I cycled everywhere, usually along busy roads. In those days there was nothing even known about "emissions" and many vehicles emitted clouds of exhaust smoke. My asthma disappeared. I don't think any individual's experience proves much, really.
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11/02/2021 15:10:36 2 1
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Thank the EU for selling and promoting Diesels cars, Did wonders for everyones lungs
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12/02/2021 12:45:14 0 0
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Buy a Tesla
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11/02/2021 10:42:32 19 15
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I don't know who is burning wood near where I live, but can you please stop, we're not in the dark ages...yet.
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11/02/2021 10:44:52 27 8
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Our heating packed up Tuesday.... Thank goodness we had the open fire
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11/02/2021 10:59:21 1 1
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We don't know either, and whomever it is, they are unlikely to read your comment and recognise themselves!
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11/02/2021 12:01:05 0 0
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At least those years after the Romans left didn't have all the air pollution we have now :)
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11/02/2021 10:43:18 9 15
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Lots of silly EU regulations on vehicle emissions that targeted soot and measured emissions under unrealistic conditions rather than normal driving. Time to introduce regulations that reflect real life and acknowledge that the extra electricity needed for electric vehicles will come from oil and coal.

Abolish stamp duty so people can move to near where they work.
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11/02/2021 10:47:00 4 5
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Hopefully more green technology will replace oil and coal.
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11/02/2021 10:50:57 2 1
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Agreed. Porsche dropped their 6 cylinder for 4 cylinder turbo in some models and the improved emissions are only when doing 25-30 mph in top gear. Under normal usage the benefit is marginal.

But it looks good on tests so everyone thinks they are doing their bit.

Turbos:( The devil's mufflers!
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11/02/2021 11:02:33 0 2
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Abolishing stamp duty will have no decreasing effect on house prices.

And a great deal of the electricity for all uses already comes from sources other than oil and coal and will only get proportionally more in the future. Get your facts right. Right now for example, Oil is 0% and Coal is just 6%.

https://grid.iamkate.com/
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11/02/2021 11:04:36 0 1
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How does abolishing stamp duty help people on £18000 a year buy a house in London?
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11/02/2021 11:20:53 1 2
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The EU regulations, which the UK approved and helped create, are simply not tough enough. The NEDC traffic cycle was always well known to unrealistic, and where the silly MPG figures came from for your vehicle. This was changed after dieselgate to WLTP which is better but still considered unrealistic.
Electric vehicles don't need more electricity capacity, check the national grid website.
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11/02/2021 10:37:58 74 21
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That's just one of the reasons why we need to shift away from burning fossil fuels as soon as possible - it's really bad for the planet, bad we have to rely on them from dodgy regimes and really bad for our health.
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11/02/2021 10:43:25 47 73
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And we have a Govt who is opening a new coal mine!
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11/02/2021 10:54:43 26 7
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Germany has opened new ones recently and plans more.

I wonder what you thoughts are on that?
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11/02/2021 11:11:24 6 5
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Rubbish. The Government specifically left that decision up to the local planning authority. Who seem to be about to refuse the application after all.
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11/02/2021 11:28:34 23 6
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A small coal mine for specialist applications, messed up by child campaigners who know nothing about anything. Unlike Germany, which burns lots of filthy brown coal, demonstrating that ;green' parties are anything but!
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11/02/2021 11:49:54 8 2
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And we have steel workers who need local coal rather than import it from around the world, and we need steel to make cars which people seem to like or if you are against cars to make bikes, or do you want to put the steel workers out of a job.
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11/02/2021 12:03:06 0 1
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Nope, Cumbrian council
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11/02/2021 12:23:41 8 0
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However, that is not for power production. It is for "coking coal" an essential ingredient required as part of the chemical reactions needed to produce steel. Without the mine, we still have to import the coal for that or close all steel production. Hydrogen will replace coal for this purpose, but is not expected to be ready for plant scale use until 2035.
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11/02/2021 12:31:11 4 1
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It all depends what the coal is to used for. if it for an industry that needs coal for it product then its ok if for power plant not ok
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11/02/2021 12:56:29 5 2
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If we have no coal mines we have no steel. Thus we need the new mine, or we stop making steel all over the world. Keep up at the back, please!
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12/02/2021 00:20:30 0 0
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Pretty ironic given how they'll be hosting COP-26 :(
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rd
11/02/2021 10:43:44 1 24
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The Gov should ban any vehicle that older than 12 yrs, it will help the environment, the car list price will be lower for people changing those 12 years to compensate, everyone win
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11/02/2021 11:05:08 7 1
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Except that is worse for the enivronment as your producing more cars, the metals used are far more polluting than any old car.
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11/02/2021 11:15:46 0 2
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So you want to classic/vintage vehicles? That isn't going to help anyone, the majority of vehicles are <10 yrs old and even Euro 6 diesel is still dirty. We just need to ban new diesels and direct injection petrol right now. Petrol Hybrids only until 100% BEV are available, say from next year.
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jon
11/02/2021 10:44:37 28 9
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One of the benefits of lockdown is improved air quality with fewer vehicles on our roads. Government needs to smooth the transition to electric while being transparent about future tax changes. Will they move to tolls and road pricing to replace the tax lost from petrol?
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11/02/2021 10:47:48 3 17
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It wouldn't be too hard to tax fast charging points for EVs. And that will be the way forward, not trickle charging from home.
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11/02/2021 11:46:10 4 4
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You cant smooth the transition to a flawed solution...E cars will not work on the mass scale, main reasons..1) Rare Earth Metals supply 2) Power generation on the grid (needs 2/3 nuclear plants to meet demand just in UK solar/wind cant meet demand), 3) The highly toxic/Ozone destroying chemicals used in battery production - All the other issues are folly, there is not enough raw material...
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11/02/2021 12:14:29 1 0
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And you will pay MORE to use an e-car. Do you fancy paying a quid per mile road tolls? Binning the ICE and the massive tax revenue that brings will have to be recouped from elsewhere.
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11/02/2021 15:17:06 0 0
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ban diesel cars
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12/02/2021 00:32:39 0 0
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Just tack on an additional "road levy" to the registration tax and the problem will be solved.
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11/02/2021 10:42:32 19 15
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I don't know who is burning wood near where I live, but can you please stop, we're not in the dark ages...yet.
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11/02/2021 10:44:52 27 8
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Our heating packed up Tuesday.... Thank goodness we had the open fire
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11/02/2021 12:01:58 0 0
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Hope you didn't make a lot os smoke and poison your neighbours? But presumably they'd had the sense to close their windows. And I hope your heating is back on now.
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11/02/2021 10:45:02 135 13
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Remember it used to be buy a diesel and save the planet ?
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11/02/2021 10:47:25 74 9
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Unfortunately not all experts are experts.
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11/02/2021 10:59:37 5 4
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Well, recently it was buy VW/BMW and save the planet.
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11/02/2021 11:04:05 6 8
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That is becaue Petrol was worse due to poor burning and the fact that we could not detect particulate matter to the size that these PMs are. so yes they are cleaner burining than Petrol but they let out tiny particualte matter. technology is great
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11/02/2021 11:04:32 22 5
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It still is. Diesel is still lower CO2 emissions. Depends whether you want to kill humans through air pollution, or kill humans and many other species through climate change.
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11/02/2021 11:08:19 15 4
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It was a trade off. Diesels are far more economical and produce less CO2, which was why I bought my ultra low emission tdi10 years ago. But now we know about the particulates it may be better for the planet but it's worse for our health.
My next car, If I get one, will be a small electric vehicle.
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11/02/2021 11:10:43 7 10
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No, no gov't ever said that. Diesel was always dirty and it still it.
It was a way to reduce CO2 while electric vehicles were developed. Unfortunately CO2 just increased through more vehicles and most companies didn't develop electric vehicles or any decent battery production capacity.
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11/02/2021 11:45:36 9 2
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Thank you Gordon bloody Brown. Part of your legacy
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11/02/2021 12:21:11 5 5
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It’s a myth that the UK Government has ever said that diesel was environmentally friendly. If you think I’m wrong please provide a quote from a Government Minister.
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11/02/2021 12:47:29 6 3
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Electric cars are not emission free when half of the grid is fossil.

Add in transmission losses, the efficiency, life expectancy, degradation and disposal costs of batteries, and the jury is very much still out on the green credentials of electric cars.

If you think that's nonsense, the same industry experts who are pushing them, are the same experts who were pushing diesel not so very long ago.
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11/02/2021 12:59:10 2 2
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Another Tony Blair lie amongst many.
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11/02/2021 13:24:38 4 1
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All motorised vehicles produce fine particulates including electric from wear on brakes and tyres.
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11/02/2021 15:11:06 0 1
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Thank the EU for selling and promoting Diesels cars, Did wonders for everyones lungs

Atleast USA has Tesla Electric cars ... the best EV car out there
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11/02/2021 22:24:18 2 0
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Some people are still buying them. They actually believe all the guff about how clean they are now!
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12/02/2021 00:15:27 0 0
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Society is often quick to latch on to perceived solutions before the science has a chance to catch up. We see that all the time - diesel, wood burning, palm biodiesel, etc.

Slowing down and performing rigorous scientific analyses on things before deploying them would be a good strategy.
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11/02/2021 10:40:33 3 7
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makes wearing a mask even more sensible....
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11/02/2021 10:46:19 11 4
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Masks do not filter PM10, PM2.5s or viruses. They reduce you spraying out droplets that might contain virus, usually when you talk.
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11/02/2021 10:57:31 5 1
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You can get masks that do filter all of those things.
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11/02/2021 10:43:18 9 15
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Lots of silly EU regulations on vehicle emissions that targeted soot and measured emissions under unrealistic conditions rather than normal driving. Time to introduce regulations that reflect real life and acknowledge that the extra electricity needed for electric vehicles will come from oil and coal.

Abolish stamp duty so people can move to near where they work.
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11/02/2021 10:47:00 4 5
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Hopefully more green technology will replace oil and coal.
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11/02/2021 10:45:02 135 13
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Remember it used to be buy a diesel and save the planet ?
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11/02/2021 10:47:25 74 9
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Unfortunately not all experts are experts.
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11/02/2021 11:05:44 12 3
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Sometimes they are experts in some things, not all. If they are experts in CO2 production, they are correct. If they are experts in harmful particulates, then they may have made the wrong suggestion. We need a holistic approach to everything.
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11/02/2021 11:30:47 3 4
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How do you KNOW this?
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11/02/2021 22:39:53 0 0
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The instant someone proclaims they are an "expert" or is said by someone else to be an "expert" that is the time you take every word they say with a large pinch of salt & go do your own research to see if their "expert opinion" is fact or fiction...

At the end of the day if you blindly believe something because a so called "expert" has said it then don't be surprised if later they were wrong...
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11/02/2021 10:49:02 5 10
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30,000 to 40,000 premature deaths a year,surely we need to go into permanent lockdown forever until this is resolved
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11/02/2021 11:04:27 5 1
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We could have a Breathe Out to Help Out campaign.
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11/02/2021 10:49:04 100 29
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When you over cram too many people into your towns and cities this is what happens .

The more people the greater the carbon footprint.

Canada doesn't have this problem because they have on average a lot fewer people per square mile than we have ....hence less driving , carbon emissions and cleaner air.

The Uk is too densely populated the answer is NOT to build more homes
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11/02/2021 10:56:50 60 5
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Although I agree with the overcrowded cities, Canada is 41 times bigger than the UK and only half the population

Plus Canada has a very large mining industry and a high amount of domestic air travel to get around so maybe not a fair comparison
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11/02/2021 10:57:13 5 2
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Canada is the world's second biggest country (think the UK is around 80th), so not a fair comparison. Also a lot of exploitation of natural resources (e.g. Alberta tar sands). And some of their cities are highly dependent on driving (e.g. Calgary), so I doubt they're any better environmentally than the UK.
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11/02/2021 10:58:05 2 7
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People cram themselves in, its called freedom of choice to live where you want.
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11/02/2021 11:02:19 4 3
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The article is about poisonous air pollution not carbon (CO2) footprint. Canada is in the top 3 highest emitters of CO2 per head in the world, along with Australia and USA. This is 3x the UK or China per capita. Pollution usually drops are soon as you stop making it.
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11/02/2021 11:02:21 5 1
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you do realise they fly everywhere right?
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11/02/2021 11:07:10 1 3
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Also its not people who emit the pollution, housing density doesn't really have anything to do with it. Its diesel vehicles and heavy traffic that are the problem.
Using large petrol vehicles and longer travel distance means less pollution but much more CO2.
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11/02/2021 11:07:22 5 1
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That's not always true, is it? If you live in Canada and your nearest shop (store) is several miles away, you're going to drive there. If you live in a city, you're likely to just pop to the local small supermarket on foot. We can all make up scenarios to support an argument.
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11/02/2021 11:50:52 8 1
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There should be no more tax incentives or family payments for a yet to be defined unreasonable (say two) number of children. The world is over-populated and we need to reduce that population gradually not increase it.
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11/02/2021 11:59:29 0 1
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Canada has cleaner air? That's not what I've heard .... but does depend on what kind of air pollution we are talking about.
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11/02/2021 12:27:09 1 1
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Don't build more homes and just let the number of homeless sleeping rough increase, is that what you're saying? If not what are we to do with the "excess" population you object to then?
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11/02/2021 12:27:21 1 0
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Dense city living is far more carbon efficient than people living in the sticks.....though not as pleasant for the individual or their lungs!
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11/02/2021 12:28:29 0 1
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Your answer to high population density is to build FEWER homes? Think before you post.
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11/02/2021 12:44:38 0 0
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All so your house can go up on value I assume.
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11/02/2021 13:16:14 0 1
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This country has a huge housing shortage, and you're telling us not to build more houses?? There are people without houses here now, and more people will come to this country. Whether we make them sleep on the streets or give them houses to live in is up to us.
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11/02/2021 13:16:35 0 0
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And we are going to have to fit in another 3M from Hong Kong!
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11/02/2021 13:32:57 0 0
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The percentage of the land area built on in the UK is in single figures, look out of a plane window. Our Government's planning system and London Centric view for good or ill has concentrated development in as small an area as possible. We need new homes but old or new they need to be much more energy efficient. This pandemic has also shown how access for all to good open space is essential.
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11/02/2021 13:50:56 0 0
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Canada is a massive country with very few people and loads of open space. We could swap countries - that ought to fix it.
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11/02/2021 15:13:20 0 0
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Then UK promoted buying diesel cars from EU over the top
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Zat
11/02/2021 15:16:31 0 1
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Funny that given that globally the most wealthy 1%, and most likely live in less densily populated areas, pollute as much as the poorest 50%. Maybe not to do with population density at all but level of consumption, but hey, it is easier to blame those who don't have a choice.
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12/02/2021 00:19:50 0 0
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I have two things to say about that:

1. You are absolutely correct when you say density plays a role in air pollution. The greater the density, the greater the pollution, no matter how clean the sources are (assuming non-zero emissions).

2. One source (e.g. a wood stove) can still pollute a significant area, and greenhouse gases affect everywhere on Earth so there's that too.
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12/02/2021 06:51:24 0 0
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This has nothing to do with carbon, which isn't a pollutant.
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11/02/2021 10:50:04 11 13
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The sooner we get away from using oil for transport the sooner we stop giving money to the vicious regime that is Saudi Arabia.
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11/02/2021 11:02:58 6 5
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But we offset that by getting money from Saudi Arabia when we sell them arms.

Good luck finding a moral compass in Downing St.
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11/02/2021 11:09:57 0 1
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And the sooner we clean up our own air quality!
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11/02/2021 11:11:36 1 1
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Unfortunately much of the money behind green energy initiatives comes from....Saudi Arabia. They've been busy diversifying the money they've been raking in from oil, in to new technologies and therefore will continue to rake it in long after their last oil well has been capped.
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11/02/2021 10:50:32 49 19
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And the money grabbing capitalists just want the growth to continue, economies built on more births and more people, destroying the planet in the process ! Selfish greedy people have done this !
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11/02/2021 11:01:21 18 23
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If you willingly engage in a capitalist system you cannot then refer to it as "money grabbing". Especially when you propose no alternative.

What does it even mean? Assuming you are employed do you "money grab" when you get paid? Or is it only other people who do the grabbing?
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11/02/2021 11:06:22 7 1
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Take the money grabbing capitalists away and there is no economy and mass unemployment. You can't have it both ways.
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12/02/2021 00:31:38 0 0
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Convenience may very well be our downfall.
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11/02/2021 10:43:18 9 15
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Lots of silly EU regulations on vehicle emissions that targeted soot and measured emissions under unrealistic conditions rather than normal driving. Time to introduce regulations that reflect real life and acknowledge that the extra electricity needed for electric vehicles will come from oil and coal.

Abolish stamp duty so people can move to near where they work.
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11/02/2021 10:50:57 2 1
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Agreed. Porsche dropped their 6 cylinder for 4 cylinder turbo in some models and the improved emissions are only when doing 25-30 mph in top gear. Under normal usage the benefit is marginal.

But it looks good on tests so everyone thinks they are doing their bit.

Turbos:( The devil's mufflers!
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11/02/2021 10:51:46 134 9
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The air has been noticeably clearer since the first lockdown. It's far more pleasant to walk along what were previously clogged up arterial roads into the city. The lack of aircraft vapour trails makes the sky much clearer too. How can we maintain this improvement as the restrictions are removed?
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11/02/2021 11:07:49 64 48
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Moving towards electric cars would be a start! Demanding our politicians clean up the air we breathe would also be good!
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11/02/2021 11:14:43 7 7
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From the BMJ - 2.4 times more PM2.5 pollution from domestic wood burning than traffic see:https://www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h2757/rr-1
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11/02/2021 11:24:33 9 7
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Vapour trails contain water and NO pollutants.
Cruise ships create more pollution per pax than airline pax, but Gordon Brown introduced the green tax for flyers.
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11/02/2021 11:24:53 1 1
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"How can we maintain this improvement as the restrictions are removed?"
We cant. Some have been trying for years. 16% of the NHS' budget.
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11/02/2021 11:29:08 10 16
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Keep pressure on politicians to implement the ban on ICE cars (Petrol, Diesel, and Hybrid) by 2030 or earlier. The manufacturers will obviously make a noise before they go out of business, but jobs do not need to be lost; they need to be transferred to electric vehicles and solar energy. Legacy auto cannot change easily; legislation must encourage, then force them to change.
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11/02/2021 11:55:50 0 0
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Good point, yes.
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11/02/2021 12:11:23 4 4
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We could scrap aircraft and all move to a slower pace of living. Stop the constant search for "growth" which will only destroy the environment completely in the end. One can replace air travel with sailing.
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11/02/2021 12:27:48 2 2
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Most of what you see in vapour trails (contrails) is actually water vapour!
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11/02/2021 15:03:07 1 0
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Working From Home - Companies are waking up to the fact that office workers can work just as efficiently from home. We should be investing in faster, cheaper and accessible broadband.
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11/02/2021 15:11:44 1 0
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it will be even more clearer when they totally ban diesel ...EU promoted all that to proper up the polluting german car industry
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11/02/2021 20:20:11 0 0
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Arterial road are only clogged because loud mouthed, self interest groups have force council to block roads and prevent traffic moving. Open back up the rat runs and traffic will flow. Roads are not play grounds or car parks. Turning off traffic lights would also be helpful. Queue disappear during the three day week .
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MH
11/02/2021 10:52:39 6 19
bbc
Agenda. Agenda. Agenda. The air in our towns and cities has never been cleaner.
26
11/02/2021 10:54:37 7 6
bbc
And your evidence is.......?
43
11/02/2021 10:59:53 2 1
bbc
That's probably true (since the industrial revolution at least), apart from these small particulates mentioned in the article, which do cause serious health problems, despite the air being generally better - no leaded petrol, smog, factory pollution, etc. - than it used to be.
44
11/02/2021 11:00:51 2 1
bbc
As someone who has literally spent years researching this. I can confirm that you know nothing. the PMs 10 and 2.5 are dangerous but unlike smog which is what you are thinking of, you can't see these with the naked eye.
49
11/02/2021 11:02:18 1 1
bbc
That's simply untrue. Ok, the dirty air of my childhood - caused by coal fires and factory chimneys - has gone, but the less visible pollution from vehicle exhausts, brake dust and central heating is hugely greater and much more damaging.
52
11/02/2021 11:02:48 2 2
bbc
And cars, including diesels, have never been cleaner. But, Dr Nick Hopkinson, Medical Director, British Lung Foundation “estimates that between 30,000 and 40,000 premature deaths each year are caused by exposure to toxic air”. Given the numbers, I suggest a permanent lockdown of London & the SE banning all cars.
3
11/02/2021 10:40:23 16 29
bbc
Some of us who have experienced bad air have been telling the Tories to do what they repeatedly pledged to do for decades.

But instead of working to implement clean air policies coming from the EU they chose to leave the EU so that they would be free to poison their own people. THEY are criminals.

NEVER VOTE TORY! - They kill you (for their personal profit!!!)
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11/02/2021 10:53:23 7 5
bbc
I love the EU clean air emission policies. Especially the one where the Germans are building a raft of new coal fired plants!

Ok, I cherry-picked that bit:)
86
11/02/2021 11:06:02 1 1
bbc
and you chose to ignore the original point.
2
11/02/2021 10:39:22 88 4
bbc
I'd imagine that toxic air isn't good for anyone!
24
11/02/2021 10:53:58 68 109
bbc
All caused by the last Labour government
137
11/02/2021 11:11:09 28 14
bbc
That juvenile polarisation of everything belongs in the playground.
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11/02/2021 11:25:43 17 16
bbc
Aided and abetted by the EU with the connivance of European car manufacturers particularly the move to diesel cars made by Mercedes, BMW, Volkswagen, Citroen, Peugeot etc
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11/02/2021 11:27:00 13 12
bbc
In cahoots with dodgy German manufacturers.
287
11/02/2021 12:02:26 8 7
bbc
Well this Tory Government just approved a new coal mine in Cumbria!
335
11/02/2021 12:19:44 5 3
bbc
Please explain
430
11/02/2021 12:53:51 10 2
bbc
Strange, if the case, the tories have had 11 years in which to do something about it.
444
11/02/2021 12:57:59 4 0
bbc
Why? Did they all drive around in huge gas guzzlers? Of course, Tories all walk and cycle everywhere, not a big posh gas guzzler in sight...
506
11/02/2021 13:34:28 1 0
bbc
All caused by the industry lobbyists who would have persuaded any government to that conclusion by producing their "proof"
514
11/02/2021 13:37:40 0 0
bbc
The Camoznics are to blame in reality
25
11/02/2021 10:54:08 20 20
bbc
Diesel is just disgusting, it always was and it still is. Even with Euro 6, diesels are still allowed more pollution than petrol engines. Petrol engines only need tested for particles if they have direct injection.
While I have always driven petrol for this reason it is now time for them to go to, battery vehicles are the way to go, so much more efficient.
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11/02/2021 10:58:25 55 15
bbc
And all that Zinc, Lithium, Cadmium and Sulphur is so green isn't it?
What happens when the batteries get old = Toxic waste
How much energy does it take to mine the elements to make these batteries = more than mining coal.

There's too many humans, that's the problem!
71
11/02/2021 11:01:08 1 4
bbc
yet many thousands per vehicle more expensive.
93
11/02/2021 11:11:04 5 9
bbc
I love Diesel; sure, it could be cleaned up a bit, but without it we'd be living in caves.
Battery vehicles are a con trick. The costs of making them far, far outweigh any benefits for the planet. The whole Green energy business is another trick to make us pay a lot more for a lot less. It's all backed up by Diesel generators anyway for when the wind don't blow or the sun don't shine!
332
11/02/2021 12:17:42 1 2
bbc
With finite precious materials in them mined by children. Yeah! Right on!
700
12/02/2021 10:37:56 0 0
bbc
I see alot of people like suckin diesel exhausts, good luck with that if you believe that they are "clean". They still produce more CO2 than a coal power BEV. BEVs are coming, like it or not, and you will like it when you eventually try one. I look forward to walking though town without diesel exhausts.
709
12/02/2021 12:50:43 0 0
bbc
Battery powered cars? Only if your lucky enough to have the infrastructure in place- what about those of us who live in apartments & terraced houses with no off road charging? Tough luck eh?
Also its fossil fuelled power stations that currently charge electric vehicles.
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MH
11/02/2021 10:52:39 6 19
bbc
Agenda. Agenda. Agenda. The air in our towns and cities has never been cleaner.
26
11/02/2021 10:54:37 7 6
bbc
And your evidence is.......?
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Evo
11/02/2021 11:04:42 3 1
bbc
Search for "BBC UK air pollutants continue decline" and there is a very informative graph showing a huge drop in all air pollutants over the last 50 years, some by as much as 70 or 80%.
87
11/02/2021 11:06:37 3 1
bbc
You are probably too young to remember smog in London.
97
11/02/2021 11:12:03 0 2
bbc
not taking any notice of the negative vibes from you
8
11/02/2021 10:43:25 47 73
bbc
And we have a Govt who is opening a new coal mine!
27
11/02/2021 10:54:43 26 7
bbc
Germany has opened new ones recently and plans more.

I wonder what you thoughts are on that?
187
11/02/2021 11:34:16 5 4
bbc
My thought is that just because my neighbour c**ps in his living room, there's no need for me to do the same.
282
11/02/2021 12:04:59 4 3
bbc
Yes, but everybody knows that Germany, USA, China, India, Russia etc pump their pollution into a different atmosphere, only the UK needs to change .... despite ours being a drop in the ocean.
621
11/02/2021 16:55:03 0 1
bbc
That is bad. However I do not live in Germany. I live in the UK and expect my Government to not open new coal mines...
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11/02/2021 10:45:56 6 7
bbc
Don't worry, the Govt has a joined up strategy to reduce environmental pollution. One that involves banning new petrol and diesel cars while at the same time giving the go ahead for a new deep coal mine in Cumbria.
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11/02/2021 10:56:15 9 19
bbc
Man-made global warming is a tax scam, it doesn't exist.
Sorry its climate change now? Remember the hole in the ozone layer? What happened to that.
What we do in this country is a drop in the ocean compared to China and India.
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11/02/2021 10:59:52 14 6
bbc
You seem very confused.

If you are claiming man made global warming does not exist, it does without doubt, then why are you then pointing the finger at India and China?

You seem to be getting your fossil fool deniers memes all mixed up.
47
11/02/2021 11:01:42 5 2
bbc
Totally wrong.

You're simply exhibiting your ignorance when you attempt to equate climate change with the hole in the ozone layer. Two completely different processes.

If you weren't so lazy you could find out the difference for yourself.
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11/02/2021 11:00:13 4 3
bbc
China is at the forefront of clean technology, per capita we are far higher than both. Man made global warming is a fact, it has been called climate change since the 1920s. So we know you are lying, the question is why.
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11/02/2021 11:04:08 3 1
bbc
Agreed they are massive pollutants and also an article today on the BBC showed foul play from China but it also showed when the globe pull together and play ball the ozone layer is fixing itself. Is that a scam too?
110
11/02/2021 11:15:24 1 1
bbc
Good grief...
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11/02/2021 10:56:21 37 8
bbc
This is something that often gets overlooked. Those who are sceptical about climate change are missing the point. We can be 100% sure that high levels of air pollution in cities are costing the NHS billions every year and dramatically reducing quality of life as well as length of life.
Ensuring the air is cleaner has to be an absolute priority and is even more important than carbon targets.
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11/02/2021 11:13:06 32 9
bbc
Exactly!! Even if you're a climate change denier, we still need to focus on cleaning up our environment!!

The air we breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat!!! All of it is slowly poisoning us!

Demand our politicians provide us with a cleaner environment!!
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11/02/2021 11:15:26 2 3
bbc
6 million at risk, yet we seem to able to accept this risk without introducing measures a soviet era, East European State would have been proud of .
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11/02/2021 11:16:26 5 2
bbc
From the BMJ - 2.4 times more PM2.5 pollution from domestic wood burning than traffic in the UK see: https://www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h2757/rr-1
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11/02/2021 11:35:02 0 1
bbc
16% of the NHS' budget.

@SteH11
It's not the Government's job. Its the peoples. And the people dont care about you or anyone else. Hence why kids are born onto inhalers just because they live near a busy street.
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11/02/2021 11:57:48 0 0
bbc
Surely reducing the CO2 AND the air pollution both matter? Unfortunately, biomass (wood burning) may help with the former but not the latter.
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11/02/2021 12:02:55 0 0
bbc
Yes but clean air has nothing to do with climate change. Climate change is caused by CO2, it doesn't cause any health issues itself. Pollution is poison, small amounts kill us.
428
11/02/2021 12:47:23 0 2
bbc
Let's all go back to living in caves with no heating etc. And use horse and carts for transport; sorry I forgot horses crap and cause pollution!!
605
11/02/2021 15:16:50 0 0
bbc
forget climate change. get rid if the diesel particles in the air
655
12/02/2021 00:32:10 0 0
bbc
Oddly enough, climate action and cleaner air go hand-in-hand, so we should be embracing both simultaneously.
682
12/02/2021 07:02:23 0 0
bbc
Climate change has nothing to do with this; it isn't a pollutant.
What we need is to generate the power for urban traffic remotely, & that will clean the air in cities.
You will never generate enough power to fill that requirement with renewables; not that I'd want to vandalise that much of the country.
We need to build gas-powered generators.
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jon
11/02/2021 10:44:37 28 9
bbc
One of the benefits of lockdown is improved air quality with fewer vehicles on our roads. Government needs to smooth the transition to electric while being transparent about future tax changes. Will they move to tolls and road pricing to replace the tax lost from petrol?
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11/02/2021 10:47:48 3 17
bbc
It wouldn't be too hard to tax fast charging points for EVs. And that will be the way forward, not trickle charging from home.
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11/02/2021 11:32:24 6 2
bbc
Fast charging requires more day time generation capacity. Slow (7kW) charging at night uses off peak unused capacity. This makes electricity cheaper and doesn't need more power stations, it also helps to capture wasted wind when demand is low.
Eventually fast charging will be less important as battery density improves, probably in less then 3 yrs. You will be able to drive 1000 miles on go.
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11/02/2021 10:49:04 100 29
bbc
When you over cram too many people into your towns and cities this is what happens .

The more people the greater the carbon footprint.

Canada doesn't have this problem because they have on average a lot fewer people per square mile than we have ....hence less driving , carbon emissions and cleaner air.

The Uk is too densely populated the answer is NOT to build more homes
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11/02/2021 10:56:50 60 5
bbc
Although I agree with the overcrowded cities, Canada is 41 times bigger than the UK and only half the population

Plus Canada has a very large mining industry and a high amount of domestic air travel to get around so maybe not a fair comparison
565
11/02/2021 14:31:19 0 0
bbc
Agreed this is a ridiculous comparison. Canada as less than half the population . Perhaps you should try comparing uk with another European country of similar size and population.
3
11/02/2021 10:40:23 16 29
bbc
Some of us who have experienced bad air have been telling the Tories to do what they repeatedly pledged to do for decades.

But instead of working to implement clean air policies coming from the EU they chose to leave the EU so that they would be free to poison their own people. THEY are criminals.

NEVER VOTE TORY! - They kill you (for their personal profit!!!)
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11/02/2021 10:56:59 1 2
bbc
I recall complaining about terrible sir quality in London many years ago when on the tube its was impossible to see from one end of a deep tube platform to the other end. Nothing was done. Except that travellers were subjected to terrible air quality. (this was well after smoking was stopped.)

The policy to suffocate the people remains!
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11/02/2021 10:49:04 100 29
bbc
When you over cram too many people into your towns and cities this is what happens .

The more people the greater the carbon footprint.

Canada doesn't have this problem because they have on average a lot fewer people per square mile than we have ....hence less driving , carbon emissions and cleaner air.

The Uk is too densely populated the answer is NOT to build more homes
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11/02/2021 10:57:13 5 2
bbc
Canada is the world's second biggest country (think the UK is around 80th), so not a fair comparison. Also a lot of exploitation of natural resources (e.g. Alberta tar sands). And some of their cities are highly dependent on driving (e.g. Calgary), so I doubt they're any better environmentally than the UK.
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11/02/2021 10:46:19 11 4
bbc
Masks do not filter PM10, PM2.5s or viruses. They reduce you spraying out droplets that might contain virus, usually when you talk.
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11/02/2021 10:57:31 5 1
bbc
You can get masks that do filter all of those things.
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11/02/2021 11:03:18 0 2
bbc
In areas of poisonous air we need to carry our own clean air supplies with us. It is possible.
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11/02/2021 10:49:04 100 29
bbc
When you over cram too many people into your towns and cities this is what happens .

The more people the greater the carbon footprint.

Canada doesn't have this problem because they have on average a lot fewer people per square mile than we have ....hence less driving , carbon emissions and cleaner air.

The Uk is too densely populated the answer is NOT to build more homes
36
11/02/2021 10:58:05 2 7
bbc
People cram themselves in, its called freedom of choice to live where you want.
170
11/02/2021 11:29:40 2 2
bbc
Oh dear.
Please show me how I can live in say Buckingham Palace. I have decided to do that, it's my choice so I can, can't I and if not why not?
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11/02/2021 10:54:08 20 20
bbc
Diesel is just disgusting, it always was and it still is. Even with Euro 6, diesels are still allowed more pollution than petrol engines. Petrol engines only need tested for particles if they have direct injection.
While I have always driven petrol for this reason it is now time for them to go to, battery vehicles are the way to go, so much more efficient.
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11/02/2021 10:58:25 55 15
bbc
And all that Zinc, Lithium, Cadmium and Sulphur is so green isn't it?
What happens when the batteries get old = Toxic waste
How much energy does it take to mine the elements to make these batteries = more than mining coal.

There's too many humans, that's the problem!
53
11/02/2021 11:02:51 7 2
bbc
Agree with this 100%. Nobody seems interested in controlling population growth, politicians only interested in economic growth, more people, more houses, more waste, more pollution. A complete mess for future generations to cope with. Let's keep on building more groups of orange houses around the edge of our towns right?
85
11/02/2021 11:08:50 6 4
bbc
So what's your solution? Genocide?
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11/02/2021 11:16:54 6 2
bbc
Fossil fuels also do a lot of environmental damage when mined and transported (oil spills etc.) The big difference with Lithium is that is not destroyed, but is fully recyclable. It is a storage medium, not an energy source. The energy to charge them can come from the sun or wind. Solar and wind energy is already cheaper than fossil fuels, and dropping in price. Do some careful research.
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11/02/2021 11:25:22 4 3
bbc
In the EU all batteries have to be recycled and Cadmium batteries have been limited in use for about 15 yrs now, they are effectively banned.
Zinc and Lithium are not poisonous, but batteries do usually contain some stuff you shouldn't eat because they are chemical reaction vessels.
Energy for mining materials we use forever are massively less than energy needed to mine and refine oil.
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11/02/2021 12:06:09 2 2
bbc
And all that Zinc, Lithium, Cadmium and Sulphur is so green isn't it?
What happens when the batteries get old = Toxic waste

Those are myths, busted ages ago
6
11/02/2021 10:42:32 19 15
bbc
I don't know who is burning wood near where I live, but can you please stop, we're not in the dark ages...yet.
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11/02/2021 10:59:21 1 1
bbc
We don't know either, and whomever it is, they are unlikely to read your comment and recognise themselves!
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11/02/2021 10:45:02 135 13
bbc
Remember it used to be buy a diesel and save the planet ?
39
11/02/2021 10:59:37 5 4
bbc
Well, recently it was buy VW/BMW and save the planet.
3
11/02/2021 10:40:23 16 29
bbc
Some of us who have experienced bad air have been telling the Tories to do what they repeatedly pledged to do for decades.

But instead of working to implement clean air policies coming from the EU they chose to leave the EU so that they would be free to poison their own people. THEY are criminals.

NEVER VOTE TORY! - They kill you (for their personal profit!!!)
40
11/02/2021 10:59:42 1 1
bbc
Rubbish
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11/02/2021 10:59:45 107 15
bbc
UK air is one of the least polluted.
We have exported most of the really terrible polluting industries to other countries.

Great to continue moving to a cleaner, safer UK but lets not forget the world is a globe - what goes around, comes around.
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11/02/2021 11:09:24 70 43
bbc
And this is why Green energy is a problem, and why we need the coal pit open. Right now we are importing steel (one of the worst offenders in pollution) for turbines, ignore the 10 year warrenty they have and roads needing to be built just to move them. "Its not in my backyard" is a great idea till as you said, the world is being affected
230
11/02/2021 11:48:21 3 5
bbc
Rubbish - prove that. Evidence and comparisons please.
449
11/02/2021 13:02:03 3 0
bbc
Other countries have taken the business and the benefits, e.g. jobs and profits and must therefore take responsibility for the pollution
We as consumers can of course make a difference by thoughtfully choosing what we buy and where and how it’s made
592
11/02/2021 15:12:13 0 0
bbc
UK imported German diesel cars ruined the air quality
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12/02/2021 00:17:04 0 0
bbc
Exactly. In fact, here in British Columbia our air is generally very good (except for the wood burners that cause valley towns to spike to hundreds of micrograms per cubic metre of fine particulate matter), except for the ozone that wafts in from overseas.

Air pollution doesn't obey human-defined borders, and we need to recognize and act on that fact.
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11/02/2021 10:56:15 9 19
bbc
Man-made global warming is a tax scam, it doesn't exist.
Sorry its climate change now? Remember the hole in the ozone layer? What happened to that.
What we do in this country is a drop in the ocean compared to China and India.
42
11/02/2021 10:59:52 14 6
bbc
You seem very confused.

If you are claiming man made global warming does not exist, it does without doubt, then why are you then pointing the finger at India and China?

You seem to be getting your fossil fool deniers memes all mixed up.
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11/02/2021 12:27:46 0 0
bbc
How do co2 emissions warm up the planet? I'd like to know.
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MH
11/02/2021 10:52:39 6 19
bbc
Agenda. Agenda. Agenda. The air in our towns and cities has never been cleaner.
43
11/02/2021 10:59:53 2 1
bbc
That's probably true (since the industrial revolution at least), apart from these small particulates mentioned in the article, which do cause serious health problems, despite the air being generally better - no leaded petrol, smog, factory pollution, etc. - than it used to be.
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MH
11/02/2021 10:52:39 6 19
bbc
Agenda. Agenda. Agenda. The air in our towns and cities has never been cleaner.
44
11/02/2021 11:00:51 2 1
bbc
As someone who has literally spent years researching this. I can confirm that you know nothing. the PMs 10 and 2.5 are dangerous but unlike smog which is what you are thinking of, you can't see these with the naked eye.
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Evo
11/02/2021 11:31:33 0 1
bbc
But you will concede that levels of those particles have dropped considerably from their peak many decades ago and continue to drop year on year?
45
11/02/2021 11:01:06 27 7
bbc
Most people's attitude seems to be "well, little old me can't be contributing that much" which is probably true, but multiply that by 60,000,000 in the UK alone and this is what you get.

I can't say I have any genuine sympathy - people caused it either directly or by complacency so they can accept the consequences
268
11/02/2021 12:00:46 14 9
bbc
Its not fair to blame people, they are not pollution or technology experts. Gov't and car mfrs are clearly responsible for diesel pollution. It should have been banned a long time ago.
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Rob
11/02/2021 11:01:42 4 5
bbc
There are a number of things that kill many of the population, malaria for example. Today's news is pollution. But it we fix these we increase population and that is not compatible with biodiversity or conservation.
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11/02/2021 11:09:15 9 2
bbc
Apparently there's a new way of managing population.
Instead of leaving people to suffer & die of treatable diseases, they could be allowed to use "birth control".
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11/02/2021 10:56:15 9 19
bbc
Man-made global warming is a tax scam, it doesn't exist.
Sorry its climate change now? Remember the hole in the ozone layer? What happened to that.
What we do in this country is a drop in the ocean compared to China and India.
47
11/02/2021 11:01:42 5 2
bbc
Totally wrong.

You're simply exhibiting your ignorance when you attempt to equate climate change with the hole in the ozone layer. Two completely different processes.

If you weren't so lazy you could find out the difference for yourself.
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11/02/2021 11:02:09 6 8
bbc
No mention of domestic wood and coal burning. I have lung disease and I don't live in a poor area. Most evenings autumn through to early spring the smoke in the air around my house is too much for me and there's nothing I can do about it. I'm sure it's not just plain dry wood that's getting used either. I think it's got worse during lockdown. A nice log fire cheers you up, doesn't it? Thanks.
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11/02/2021 11:13:04 3 3
bbc
From BMJ - 2.4 times more PM2.5 pollution from domestic wood burning than traffic see: https://www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h2757/rr-1
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11/02/2021 12:24:36 0 0
bbc
We know about that too, Mark & sympathise. It's a shame that those with their cosy wood fires & stoves do not understand about the pollution they are making & how it goes straight to the neighbours. It could be damaging their own health too, esp. bad for infants & those with weak hearts & lungs. A friend of mine is moving & showed me photos of wood stoves in every room. I shall worry for her.
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MH
11/02/2021 10:52:39 6 19
bbc
Agenda. Agenda. Agenda. The air in our towns and cities has never been cleaner.
49
11/02/2021 11:02:18 1 1
bbc
That's simply untrue. Ok, the dirty air of my childhood - caused by coal fires and factory chimneys - has gone, but the less visible pollution from vehicle exhausts, brake dust and central heating is hugely greater and much more damaging.
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11/02/2021 10:49:04 100 29
bbc
When you over cram too many people into your towns and cities this is what happens .

The more people the greater the carbon footprint.

Canada doesn't have this problem because they have on average a lot fewer people per square mile than we have ....hence less driving , carbon emissions and cleaner air.

The Uk is too densely populated the answer is NOT to build more homes
50
11/02/2021 11:02:19 4 3
bbc
The article is about poisonous air pollution not carbon (CO2) footprint. Canada is in the top 3 highest emitters of CO2 per head in the world, along with Australia and USA. This is 3x the UK or China per capita. Pollution usually drops are soon as you stop making it.
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11/02/2021 10:43:18 9 15
bbc
Lots of silly EU regulations on vehicle emissions that targeted soot and measured emissions under unrealistic conditions rather than normal driving. Time to introduce regulations that reflect real life and acknowledge that the extra electricity needed for electric vehicles will come from oil and coal.

Abolish stamp duty so people can move to near where they work.
51
11/02/2021 11:02:33 0 2
bbc
Abolishing stamp duty will have no decreasing effect on house prices.

And a great deal of the electricity for all uses already comes from sources other than oil and coal and will only get proportionally more in the future. Get your facts right. Right now for example, Oil is 0% and Coal is just 6%.

https://grid.iamkate.com/
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11/02/2021 11:03:33 0 1
bbc
In fact Wind is more than twice Coal at 13%.
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MH
11/02/2021 10:52:39 6 19
bbc
Agenda. Agenda. Agenda. The air in our towns and cities has never been cleaner.
52
11/02/2021 11:02:48 2 2
bbc
And cars, including diesels, have never been cleaner. But, Dr Nick Hopkinson, Medical Director, British Lung Foundation “estimates that between 30,000 and 40,000 premature deaths each year are caused by exposure to toxic air”. Given the numbers, I suggest a permanent lockdown of London & the SE banning all cars.
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11/02/2021 10:58:25 55 15
bbc
And all that Zinc, Lithium, Cadmium and Sulphur is so green isn't it?
What happens when the batteries get old = Toxic waste
How much energy does it take to mine the elements to make these batteries = more than mining coal.

There's too many humans, that's the problem!
53
11/02/2021 11:02:51 7 2
bbc
Agree with this 100%. Nobody seems interested in controlling population growth, politicians only interested in economic growth, more people, more houses, more waste, more pollution. A complete mess for future generations to cope with. Let's keep on building more groups of orange houses around the edge of our towns right?
1
11/02/2021 10:37:58 74 21
bbc
That's just one of the reasons why we need to shift away from burning fossil fuels as soon as possible - it's really bad for the planet, bad we have to rely on them from dodgy regimes and really bad for our health.
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11/02/2021 11:02:51 13 12
bbc
So you're happy to be paying over £120 a month on energy bills because we import gas, oil and coal yet our own 'green' energy contributes about 0.2% to the National Grid?

Anything we do is a drop in the ocean compared to the CO2 being created in Russia, India, China and Germany from coal driven power stations.

We're just stupid Brits tinkering on the sidelines paying over the odds for energy.
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11/02/2021 11:06:16 15 5
bbc
This isn't about CO2, this is about air pollution. Very different things.

Whatever Russia does, isn't going to affect air quality over here. We affect our own air quality.

And yes, I would happily pay a little extra if it means I'm not being slowly poisoned by the air around me!!
189
11/02/2021 11:35:24 7 5
bbc
Utter rubbish! Renewable sources contributed between 33% and 47% (depending on what you count as "green") of UK electricity in 2020.

Anything we do shows the way for the rest of the world. Even the worst polluters are saying they will go carbon neutral by 2050. A long time but a step in the right direction.
622
11/02/2021 16:58:39 1 0
bbc
Green energy is no 0.2% of the grid... Currently right this moment low carbon energy is fulfilling around 37% of capacity...
35
11/02/2021 10:57:31 5 1
bbc
You can get masks that do filter all of those things.
55
11/02/2021 11:03:18 0 2
bbc
In areas of poisonous air we need to carry our own clean air supplies with us. It is possible.
51
11/02/2021 11:02:33 0 2
bbc
Abolishing stamp duty will have no decreasing effect on house prices.

And a great deal of the electricity for all uses already comes from sources other than oil and coal and will only get proportionally more in the future. Get your facts right. Right now for example, Oil is 0% and Coal is just 6%.

https://grid.iamkate.com/
56
11/02/2021 11:03:33 0 1
bbc
In fact Wind is more than twice Coal at 13%.
5
11/02/2021 10:42:08 210 9
bbc
All I can say is, since Lockdown I am not spending upto 2 hours a day in traffic, and the traffic levels have dropped significantly...

And my Asthma has gone.
57
11/02/2021 11:03:34 120 28
bbc
We should demand our politicians (whether they be right wi h or left wing), stop allowing air to be polluted, stop allowing water to be polluted, stop allowing food to be filled with rubbish.

We are being slowed poisoned by the environment we live in. Demand better!
192
11/02/2021 11:36:01 15 9
bbc
Instead of just demanding the govt' do something about it, why don't you offer how they might do it.
We only have a finite amount of energy and electric car charging will soon outstrip demand. Our power stations are nearing capacity. Wind and solar is insufficient and very expensive if we have a calm winter, (the grid has to turn the turbines to avoid bearing damage).
210
11/02/2021 11:42:33 18 0
bbc
Successive governments since the fifties have legislated to reduce air pollution.
The situation was much worse when folk were burning ordinary coal and wood in cities.
Who remembers the introduction of "smokeless coal" ?
235
11/02/2021 11:48:59 2 33
bbc
not to mention by all the toxic vaccines they keep pumping into people!
238
11/02/2021 11:50:24 16 1
bbc
That's all fine and dandy but don’t forget the very things that you utilise in your daily life also pollute. If you want to have no heating, power, communication, society etc then go ahead. We need to try and strike a workable compromise that protects us and the planet, not go back to the dark ages.
255
11/02/2021 11:57:20 3 3
bbc
Stop driving your car, stop buying 'plastic' food - we have to take personal responsibility.
258
11/02/2021 11:59:01 9 2
bbc
ok, so turn off your central heating, walk or cycle everywhere, only buy food direct from local farms that you have walked/cycled to, wear clothes produced from locally sourced materials and don't take any holidays.
346
11/02/2021 12:22:33 7 0
bbc
we are seeing major improvements in all environmental measures including cleaner air - cuts of half in PM 10 since 1998.
354
11/02/2021 12:25:23 2 3
bbc
Money speaks louder than health. Politicians just don't care and never have.
452
11/02/2021 13:04:17 4 0
bbc
happy with 10% increase on your council tax?
Are you doing your part now?
*you can buy fresh rubbish free food
*do not buy anything that has been transported by ship, plane or road
*turn your heating down to 18 degrees and heat just 2 rooms
*no car
*shower and hair wash just once weekly
*wear your clothes until they fall apart and then repair them
*buy nothing made from oil - no terylene, no lycra
478
11/02/2021 13:19:22 3 0
bbc
“Toxic air puts six million at risk of lung damage“. Clearly not good but put in perspective 6.9 million people in the uk still smoked in 2019 by ONS figures.

Where’s the outrage over that?
715
12/02/2021 15:30:03 0 0
bbc
You know which side historically pushes for that right?

Tories have been in power for how long now? reforms are where?
58
11/02/2021 11:03:37 64 13
bbc
Good reason to stop building large housing developments in small countryside villages. If I want to live in a place where there are lots of cars and lots of pollutants I would move there but leave those who wish to live in villages alone.
195
11/02/2021 11:36:32 69 10
bbc
It’s criminal how we have destroyed our villages with overdevelopment. Local views are just steamrollered by ineffective Cllrs and greedy developers. My village has doubled in size in less than 2 generations and all the charm and joy has disappeared. And the Drs are oversubscribed!

If a village doesn’t want development it should have the right to veto it.
236
11/02/2021 11:50:08 9 0
bbc
So true - Locally we have been fighting this off for 5 years+ now, had lots of good well managed expansion of towns near public transport links which is the best you can hope for in times of expansion in the SE, then some idiot wants to build a 'new town/super Village', literally in the middle of no-where and 7 miles from any rail lines....12000 homes / 20K+ cars all linked to B road!!
468
11/02/2021 13:12:01 4 0
bbc
It's not just villages. Developers are ruining huge chunks of Wilts, building ugly, rip-off housing estates wherever there's a green patch. No decent NHS dentists, everyone fighting for Dr appts and p-poor public transport. What's the point in having Town Planners? Might as well scrap them and reduce the Council Tax bill
524
11/02/2021 13:43:30 1 0
bbc
So where exactly do you want to put the new arrivals? 250 to 300k extra people a year in the country but none in your back yard.
533
11/02/2021 13:52:20 1 0
bbc
Why do all Cllrs want to be on the planning committees?
597
11/02/2021 15:13:59 0 0
bbc
lots of german diesel cars on uk roads
646
12/02/2021 00:22:03 0 0
bbc
For-profit development is a large part of why we have such terrible air pollution and our current sixth mass-extinction event. The greater the density, the greater the damage. It's just basic reality.
12
11/02/2021 10:45:02 135 13
bbc
Remember it used to be buy a diesel and save the planet ?
59
11/02/2021 11:04:05 6 8
bbc
That is becaue Petrol was worse due to poor burning and the fact that we could not detect particulate matter to the size that these PMs are. so yes they are cleaner burining than Petrol but they let out tiny particualte matter. technology is great
12
11/02/2021 10:45:02 135 13
bbc
Remember it used to be buy a diesel and save the planet ?
60
11/02/2021 11:04:32 22 5
bbc
It still is. Diesel is still lower CO2 emissions. Depends whether you want to kill humans through air pollution, or kill humans and many other species through climate change.
88
11/02/2021 11:08:59 5 9
bbc
Is that based on manufacturer's figures ? As we know anything surrounding diesel performance is somewhat tainted.
26
11/02/2021 10:54:37 7 6
bbc
And your evidence is.......?
61
Evo
11/02/2021 11:04:42 3 1
bbc
Search for "BBC UK air pollutants continue decline" and there is a very informative graph showing a huge drop in all air pollutants over the last 50 years, some by as much as 70 or 80%.
4
11/02/2021 10:40:33 3 7
bbc
makes wearing a mask even more sensible....
62
11/02/2021 10:55:49 2 3
bbc
Masks do nothing against the pollution being discussed here. People just assume they do because it looks like they should.
9
rd
11/02/2021 10:43:44 1 24
bbc
The Gov should ban any vehicle that older than 12 yrs, it will help the environment, the car list price will be lower for people changing those 12 years to compensate, everyone win
63
11/02/2021 11:05:08 7 1
bbc
Except that is worse for the enivronment as your producing more cars, the metals used are far more polluting than any old car.
5
11/02/2021 10:42:08 210 9
bbc
All I can say is, since Lockdown I am not spending upto 2 hours a day in traffic, and the traffic levels have dropped significantly...

And my Asthma has gone.
64
11/02/2021 10:58:56 14 3
bbc
You might not live in London where car use is only slightly down where I live.

What I want to know is, with everything closed including schools, the fact we are not allowed to see anyone outside our bubble, where is everyone going in their cars? I can tell you it's not supermarket shopping or going to work.
124
11/02/2021 11:17:52 11 1
bbc
But over 50 percent of the pollution doesn't come from cars.
685
12/02/2021 07:35:26 0 0
bbc
Off to buy new cars?
759
12/02/2021 21:53:10 0 0
bbc
To drive round in circles, and get away from the wife and kids for a few hours.....??
65
11/02/2021 11:05:29 4 6
bbc
If you live near a dairy farm you will regularly be subjected to poisonous slurry fumes of ammonia and nitrous oxides
123
11/02/2021 11:17:31 4 1
bbc
But they are not a problem particulate. Only gas. Smells are not any problem.
291
11/02/2021 12:09:13 0 0
bbc
Yes and it's really dire to live near fields that are regularly drenched in slurry, very bad for asthma. Too many cows? It's not even to fertilse the fields, jsut to get rid of the stuff before the farmer's slurry pond overflows.
66
11/02/2021 11:05:37 22 14
bbc
Ban wood burning stoves in urban arears.
103
11/02/2021 11:13:18 13 7
bbc
Ban urban areas.
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Evo
11/02/2021 11:16:41 4 3
bbc
Not sure about a ban, but in London at least they already produce more particulate pollution than private motor vehicles. But lets not the truth get in the way of bashing the motor car.
126
11/02/2021 11:08:18 3 1
bbc
Planned legislation is in place for this with the exception of Hampstead.
262
11/02/2021 11:59:55 0 1
bbc
And in village streets.
15
11/02/2021 10:47:25 74 9
bbc
Unfortunately not all experts are experts.
67
11/02/2021 11:05:44 12 3
bbc
Sometimes they are experts in some things, not all. If they are experts in CO2 production, they are correct. If they are experts in harmful particulates, then they may have made the wrong suggestion. We need a holistic approach to everything.
68
11/02/2021 10:59:27 3 6
bbc
The new clear is nuclear.
119
11/02/2021 11:07:47 3 4
bbc
It's not that clear.
54
11/02/2021 11:02:51 13 12
bbc
So you're happy to be paying over £120 a month on energy bills because we import gas, oil and coal yet our own 'green' energy contributes about 0.2% to the National Grid?

Anything we do is a drop in the ocean compared to the CO2 being created in Russia, India, China and Germany from coal driven power stations.

We're just stupid Brits tinkering on the sidelines paying over the odds for energy.
69
11/02/2021 11:06:16 15 5
bbc
This isn't about CO2, this is about air pollution. Very different things.

Whatever Russia does, isn't going to affect air quality over here. We affect our own air quality.

And yes, I would happily pay a little extra if it means I'm not being slowly poisoned by the air around me!!
120
11/02/2021 11:17:06 11 1
bbc
The air quality here in Cornwall has, on occasions, been affected by pollution moving up from the mainland of Europe. So where is your evidence that what Russia does will not affect air quality in the UK?
237
11/02/2021 11:50:18 0 0
bbc
He was responding to a post about burning fossil fuels.
29
11/02/2021 10:56:15 9 19
bbc
Man-made global warming is a tax scam, it doesn't exist.
Sorry its climate change now? Remember the hole in the ozone layer? What happened to that.
What we do in this country is a drop in the ocean compared to China and India.
70
11/02/2021 11:00:13 4 3
bbc
China is at the forefront of clean technology, per capita we are far higher than both. Man made global warming is a fact, it has been called climate change since the 1920s. So we know you are lying, the question is why.
125
11/02/2021 11:17:52 1 1
bbc
Hogwash, China produces around 60% of it's electricity from coal and is building still more coal stations.
266
11/02/2021 12:00:34 0 0
bbc
Rubbish, China Air quality is absolutely awful.
25
11/02/2021 10:54:08 20 20
bbc
Diesel is just disgusting, it always was and it still is. Even with Euro 6, diesels are still allowed more pollution than petrol engines. Petrol engines only need tested for particles if they have direct injection.
While I have always driven petrol for this reason it is now time for them to go to, battery vehicles are the way to go, so much more efficient.
71
11/02/2021 11:01:08 1 4
bbc
yet many thousands per vehicle more expensive.
19
11/02/2021 10:50:32 49 19
bbc
And the money grabbing capitalists just want the growth to continue, economies built on more births and more people, destroying the planet in the process ! Selfish greedy people have done this !
72
11/02/2021 11:01:21 18 23
bbc
If you willingly engage in a capitalist system you cannot then refer to it as "money grabbing". Especially when you propose no alternative.

What does it even mean? Assuming you are employed do you "money grab" when you get paid? Or is it only other people who do the grabbing?
154
11/02/2021 11:25:19 2 9
bbc
That's a good sheep. Accept the Emperor has nice shniy new clothes, people keep telling you this baa,baa,baa
19
11/02/2021 10:50:32 49 19
bbc
And the money grabbing capitalists just want the growth to continue, economies built on more births and more people, destroying the planet in the process ! Selfish greedy people have done this !
73
11/02/2021 11:06:22 7 1
bbc
Take the money grabbing capitalists away and there is no economy and mass unemployment. You can't have it both ways.
156
11/02/2021 11:25:42 0 5
bbc
There are many ways!
17
11/02/2021 10:49:04 100 29
bbc
When you over cram too many people into your towns and cities this is what happens .

The more people the greater the carbon footprint.

Canada doesn't have this problem because they have on average a lot fewer people per square mile than we have ....hence less driving , carbon emissions and cleaner air.

The Uk is too densely populated the answer is NOT to build more homes
74
11/02/2021 11:02:21 5 1
bbc
you do realise they fly everywhere right?
In order to remove this toxic air from our streets and neighbourhoods the toxic, self serving government of Tory comrades must go first.
Want a Scandinavian model, standard of life with clean air? Get rid of Tories.
100
11/02/2021 11:12:52 3 2
bbc
Scandinavian style means a far bigger country by land size and only 10 million people if you want to be like Sweden. We are 70 million presently. Scandinavia is the way to go, lots of space, good education for all. Which means we should have only about 4 million people as Sweden is so huge.
109
11/02/2021 11:14:51 0 1
bbc
If you want a Scandinavian model standard of life then everyone will have to pay more tax, even you.
17
11/02/2021 10:49:04 100 29
bbc
When you over cram too many people into your towns and cities this is what happens .

The more people the greater the carbon footprint.

Canada doesn't have this problem because they have on average a lot fewer people per square mile than we have ....hence less driving , carbon emissions and cleaner air.

The Uk is too densely populated the answer is NOT to build more homes
76
11/02/2021 11:07:10 1 3
bbc
Also its not people who emit the pollution, housing density doesn't really have anything to do with it. Its diesel vehicles and heavy traffic that are the problem.
Using large petrol vehicles and longer travel distance means less pollution but much more CO2.
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dan
11/02/2021 11:07:21 10 10
bbc
We live in one of the windiest countries, fresh air blowing in all the time from the Atlantic. Some people will complain no matter what.
132
11/02/2021 11:19:08 0 6
bbc
Oh dear!!!
17
11/02/2021 10:49:04 100 29
bbc
When you over cram too many people into your towns and cities this is what happens .

The more people the greater the carbon footprint.

Canada doesn't have this problem because they have on average a lot fewer people per square mile than we have ....hence less driving , carbon emissions and cleaner air.

The Uk is too densely populated the answer is NOT to build more homes
78
11/02/2021 11:07:22 5 1
bbc
That's not always true, is it? If you live in Canada and your nearest shop (store) is several miles away, you're going to drive there. If you live in a city, you're likely to just pop to the local small supermarket on foot. We can all make up scenarios to support an argument.
18
11/02/2021 10:50:04 11 13
bbc
The sooner we get away from using oil for transport the sooner we stop giving money to the vicious regime that is Saudi Arabia.
79
11/02/2021 11:02:58 6 5
bbc
But we offset that by getting money from Saudi Arabia when we sell them arms.

Good luck finding a moral compass in Downing St.
98
11/02/2021 11:12:13 2 1
bbc
It matters not that we sell arms to Saudi. If we ever do go to war with them we stop selling them ammunition, spares, servicing, IT systems and training and all their kit will be useless.
21
11/02/2021 10:51:46 134 9
bbc
The air has been noticeably clearer since the first lockdown. It's far more pleasant to walk along what were previously clogged up arterial roads into the city. The lack of aircraft vapour trails makes the sky much clearer too. How can we maintain this improvement as the restrictions are removed?
80
11/02/2021 11:07:49 64 48
bbc
Moving towards electric cars would be a start! Demanding our politicians clean up the air we breathe would also be good!
162
11/02/2021 11:27:17 25 11
bbc
Plenty of the smallest and most harmful particulates that get far inside our lungs arise from the tyres and brakes of electric cars
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Jim
11/02/2021 11:46:32 9 1
bbc
Totally agree that we need to move faster to non at source polluting vehicles. Hopefully the manufacturers can solve range issue for those who travel longer distances into the more remote areas of the UK. We also need to work out how to charge the vehicles for all those people who don't have drives or garages
264
11/02/2021 12:00:13 3 0
bbc
Individuals pollute the air. As long as we buy and use the products that pollute the air, they will continue to be made.
307
11/02/2021 12:14:41 5 5
bbc
Electric cars are not really an option to most people, given unless you buy a Tesla. The ranges are pitiful not to mention price and the time to charge does not fit with the time to fill up. Most people will wait for option 2, possibly hydrogen or nitrogen powered cars, more pollution when we open up until I'm afraid
342
11/02/2021 12:21:07 4 2
bbc
That would clear up the air true but think of the savage environmental damage of all those batteries.
357
11/02/2021 12:26:42 9 1
bbc
It's sad that people focus on private cars as the main target of pollution anger. Emissions are a far greater issue for people that want year-round salad vegetables in their supermarkets, and cheap things to buy off the internet. It seems like some people would rather that the habits of others change, instead of their own.
391
11/02/2021 12:36:25 5 2
bbc
Unless every one of those electric cars is being built in a way that doesn't poison the environment (battery production, we're looking at you), and are being charged daily with electricity that isn't generated using "dirty" means, it accomplishes very little
397
11/02/2021 12:38:20 2 5
bbc
no it wouldn't be a good start, read up on the facts. Electric cars just shift pollution from the street to here they are made, and remember we need electricity to charge them which in turn makes pollution. The answer is not electric cars, it's fewer cars altogether
414
11/02/2021 12:47:18 3 4
bbc
Electric cars are not emission free when half of the grid is fossil.

Add in transmission losses, the efficiency, life expectancy, degradation and disposal costs of batteries, and the jury is very much still out on the green credentials of electric cars.

If you think that's nonsense, the same industry experts who are pushing them, are the same experts who were pushing diesel not so very long ago.
439
11/02/2021 12:53:28 0 4
bbc
Electric and hybrid cars produce more airbourne particles than their fossil fuel counterparts. How is going to electric cars going to help?
510
11/02/2021 13:36:34 0 2
bbc
Where will we get enough electricity to power the country and have enough left over to charge 40 million electric cars? Not forgetting electric trains and the fast becoming reality electric lorries?
I await your mind boggling response in anticipation.
581
11/02/2021 15:00:27 0 0
bbc
Road tyre dust from rubber wheels create a significantly higher amount of 2.5 pms in carbons and micro plastics. These carbons are not included in the National Tail-pipe pollution figures, why not?
29
11/02/2021 10:56:15 9 19
bbc
Man-made global warming is a tax scam, it doesn't exist.
Sorry its climate change now? Remember the hole in the ozone layer? What happened to that.
What we do in this country is a drop in the ocean compared to China and India.
81
11/02/2021 11:04:08 3 1
bbc
Agreed they are massive pollutants and also an article today on the BBC showed foul play from China but it also showed when the globe pull together and play ball the ozone layer is fixing itself. Is that a scam too?
16
11/02/2021 10:49:02 5 10
bbc
30,000 to 40,000 premature deaths a year,surely we need to go into permanent lockdown forever until this is resolved
82
11/02/2021 11:04:27 5 1
bbc
We could have a Breathe Out to Help Out campaign.
401
11/02/2021 12:41:42 0 0
bbc
Reminds me of a very funny west end play I saw by Ben Elton called "Gasping" where air was controlled and sold by big business in bags.Could come true one day
7
11/02/2021 10:43:18 9 15
bbc
Lots of silly EU regulations on vehicle emissions that targeted soot and measured emissions under unrealistic conditions rather than normal driving. Time to introduce regulations that reflect real life and acknowledge that the extra electricity needed for electric vehicles will come from oil and coal.

Abolish stamp duty so people can move to near where they work.
83
11/02/2021 11:04:36 0 1
bbc
How does abolishing stamp duty help people on £18000 a year buy a house in London?
12
11/02/2021 10:45:02 135 13
bbc
Remember it used to be buy a diesel and save the planet ?
84
11/02/2021 11:08:19 15 4
bbc
It was a trade off. Diesels are far more economical and produce less CO2, which was why I bought my ultra low emission tdi10 years ago. But now we know about the particulates it may be better for the planet but it's worse for our health.
My next car, If I get one, will be a small electric vehicle.
393
11/02/2021 12:37:34 2 2
bbc
It was the law of unintended consequences in the so called green dash I'm afraid, there will be more, Grenfell tower being another example.
37
11/02/2021 10:58:25 55 15
bbc
And all that Zinc, Lithium, Cadmium and Sulphur is so green isn't it?
What happens when the batteries get old = Toxic waste
How much energy does it take to mine the elements to make these batteries = more than mining coal.

There's too many humans, that's the problem!
85
11/02/2021 11:08:50 6 4
bbc
So what's your solution? Genocide?
23
11/02/2021 10:53:23 7 5
bbc
I love the EU clean air emission policies. Especially the one where the Germans are building a raft of new coal fired plants!

Ok, I cherry-picked that bit:)
86
11/02/2021 11:06:02 1 1
bbc
and you chose to ignore the original point.
26
11/02/2021 10:54:37 7 6
bbc
And your evidence is.......?
87
11/02/2021 11:06:37 3 1
bbc
You are probably too young to remember smog in London.
111
11/02/2021 11:15:25 1 1
bbc
It wasn't that long ago, pre-M25, that commercial vehicles clogged the streets of London on route to/from Dover. No particulate filters attached to diesels in those days.
60
11/02/2021 11:04:32 22 5
bbc
It still is. Diesel is still lower CO2 emissions. Depends whether you want to kill humans through air pollution, or kill humans and many other species through climate change.
88
11/02/2021 11:08:59 5 9
bbc
Is that based on manufacturer's figures ? As we know anything surrounding diesel performance is somewhat tainted.
617
11/02/2021 16:45:08 2 0
bbc
Diesel produces less CO2, it produces far more particulates though.
46
Rob
11/02/2021 11:01:42 4 5
bbc
There are a number of things that kill many of the population, malaria for example. Today's news is pollution. But it we fix these we increase population and that is not compatible with biodiversity or conservation.
89
11/02/2021 11:09:15 9 2
bbc
Apparently there's a new way of managing population.
Instead of leaving people to suffer & die of treatable diseases, they could be allowed to use "birth control".
140
11/02/2021 11:21:17 0 3
bbc
How do YOU propose to this globally? Seen how successful man has been in using "birth control" in other species it doesn't like?
41
11/02/2021 10:59:45 107 15
bbc
UK air is one of the least polluted.
We have exported most of the really terrible polluting industries to other countries.

Great to continue moving to a cleaner, safer UK but lets not forget the world is a globe - what goes around, comes around.
90
11/02/2021 11:09:24 70 43
bbc
And this is why Green energy is a problem, and why we need the coal pit open. Right now we are importing steel (one of the worst offenders in pollution) for turbines, ignore the 10 year warrenty they have and roads needing to be built just to move them. "Its not in my backyard" is a great idea till as you said, the world is being affected
18
11/02/2021 10:50:04 11 13
bbc
The sooner we get away from using oil for transport the sooner we stop giving money to the vicious regime that is Saudi Arabia.
91
11/02/2021 11:09:57 0 1
bbc
And the sooner we clean up our own air quality!
12
11/02/2021 10:45:02 135 13
bbc
Remember it used to be buy a diesel and save the planet ?
92
11/02/2021 11:10:43 7 10
bbc
No, no gov't ever said that. Diesel was always dirty and it still it.
It was a way to reduce CO2 while electric vehicles were developed. Unfortunately CO2 just increased through more vehicles and most companies didn't develop electric vehicles or any decent battery production capacity.
25
11/02/2021 10:54:08 20 20
bbc
Diesel is just disgusting, it always was and it still is. Even with Euro 6, diesels are still allowed more pollution than petrol engines. Petrol engines only need tested for particles if they have direct injection.
While I have always driven petrol for this reason it is now time for them to go to, battery vehicles are the way to go, so much more efficient.
93
11/02/2021 11:11:04 5 9
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I love Diesel; sure, it could be cleaned up a bit, but without it we'd be living in caves.
Battery vehicles are a con trick. The costs of making them far, far outweigh any benefits for the planet. The whole Green energy business is another trick to make us pay a lot more for a lot less. It's all backed up by Diesel generators anyway for when the wind don't blow or the sun don't shine!
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11/02/2021 11:28:00 5 3
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You need to stop getting your information from fossil fuel companies, pretty much everything you said there is wrong. Battery vehicles are massively better for the environment than ICE, even in the worst chosen circumstances.
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11/02/2021 10:43:25 47 73
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And we have a Govt who is opening a new coal mine!
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11/02/2021 11:11:24 6 5
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Rubbish. The Government specifically left that decision up to the local planning authority. Who seem to be about to refuse the application after all.
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11/02/2021 11:30:05 4 10
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Yes, the government said was ok for them to make the decision so that they could avoid all the blame. The government is still allowing it so it is their decision.
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11/02/2021 11:39:32 4 9
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It's not simply the case that "The Government specifically left that decision up to the local planning authority". The Government abdicated from its responsibility when it could have shown clear leadership and betrayed its own promises for a green recovery. Just hypocritical.
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11/02/2021 11:11:28 4 5
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I acknowledge most polluting is done elsewhere in the pursuit of lithiun and cobalt for electric cars but the present 20 mph limit, the street restrictions for vehicules only concentrate the pollution from exhaust systems to areas where people live. Houses don't move and cars stuck behind cyclists, who travel at less than 20 mph, only aggrivate the problem for residents.
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11/02/2021 11:12:48 1 7
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Utter drivel.
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11/02/2021 10:50:04 11 13
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The sooner we get away from using oil for transport the sooner we stop giving money to the vicious regime that is Saudi Arabia.
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11/02/2021 11:11:36 1 1
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Unfortunately much of the money behind green energy initiatives comes from....Saudi Arabia. They've been busy diversifying the money they've been raking in from oil, in to new technologies and therefore will continue to rake it in long after their last oil well has been capped.
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11/02/2021 11:18:37 1 1
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This is just speculation. Saudi is selling less oil month after month. They will try to diversify but almost all of their efforts will fail. This is what happens when you relay on one commodity for 70 plus years. For example they have spent billions of dollars trying to export wahabism without success.
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11/02/2021 10:54:37 7 6
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And your evidence is.......?
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11/02/2021 11:12:03 0 2
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not taking any notice of the negative vibes from you
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11/02/2021 11:02:58 6 5
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But we offset that by getting money from Saudi Arabia when we sell them arms.

Good luck finding a moral compass in Downing St.
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11/02/2021 11:12:13 2 1
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It matters not that we sell arms to Saudi. If we ever do go to war with them we stop selling them ammunition, spares, servicing, IT systems and training and all their kit will be useless.
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11/02/2021 11:26:57 0 2
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You lead from the front then and show that at loaded gun or missile fired at you will not cause your demise!!
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11/02/2021 11:11:28 4 5
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I acknowledge most polluting is done elsewhere in the pursuit of lithiun and cobalt for electric cars but the present 20 mph limit, the street restrictions for vehicules only concentrate the pollution from exhaust systems to areas where people live. Houses don't move and cars stuck behind cyclists, who travel at less than 20 mph, only aggrivate the problem for residents.
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11/02/2021 11:12:48 1 7
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Utter drivel.
In order to remove this toxic air from our streets and neighbourhoods the toxic, self serving government of Tory comrades must go first.
Want a Scandinavian model, standard of life with clean air? Get rid of Tories.
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11/02/2021 11:12:52 3 2
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Scandinavian style means a far bigger country by land size and only 10 million people if you want to be like Sweden. We are 70 million presently. Scandinavia is the way to go, lots of space, good education for all. Which means we should have only about 4 million people as Sweden is so huge.