Covid: WHO backs Oxford vaccine 'even if variants present'
10/02/2021 | news | health | 2,949
Its use in people over 65 as well as in countries where variants are circulating is recommended.
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Am I first? Removed
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With an absolute cracker of a comment
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No, I came first.
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Being first is important. It means your comment get lots of views , replies and votes. Perhaps you haven't made the best use of your opportunity?
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GET IN ??
The haters of this country like the EU and rapid left must be fuming ??
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Rapid left?
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Sounds like the one who's full of hate and nothing but hate is you.
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Rapid? If you want to stay you're going to have to learn the language.......
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haters like you of other peoples views......standard right winger
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I think you're the one full of ignorance and hatred. Sensible, mature countries work together.
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Awwwww Out crawl the haters with the tissues, because of a typo error. ENJOY GUYS ??
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moi
10/02/2021 16:34:11 10 4
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Especially Macron, who is seeking punishment on us leaving EU and saying it’s not safe for older people to be vaccinated. The UK vaccination head start without EU intervention is one benefit, and possibly the only one so far of leaving the EU
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Labour people love the country, not just the well heeled
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10/02/2021 17:58:53 3 4
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I love my country; my politics are to the right; I hate Johnson's government; I dislike the EU's politics; I know we'd be better off in than out (ask a fisherman). Sorry to confuse the Brexiteers by not fitting their simplistic, childish, 2 dimensional view of the world.
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The EU don't hate us. Disappointed in us for leaving and failing to make it work? Sure, but hate is completely different.

Stop trying to invent your own fictitious narrative to suit your agenda.
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Great. Get the pubs open and let people live their lives again.
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Yawn - it seems that for many getting to the pub is so so important. Yawn
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Going to the pub = living a life!
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Well said
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Get the pools open!!
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10/02/2021 17:21:37 3 2
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That would be about the stupidest possible thing to do any time soon.
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10/02/2021 17:23:30 1 1
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Sadly not quite yet
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At last, the WHO on our side.
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Yes, but be careful: I also remember them saying something about hoping to die before they get old.
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10/02/2021 17:29:04 3 1
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It's not a question of that. It's a question of what is true and accurate.
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10/02/2021 17:37:08 5 3
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14 months to get into china and WHO say no evidence of covid coming from lab, even my misses could have cleaned up by now, mind you china give them 40% of their income
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10/02/2021 17:54:07 2 1
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Must have paid our fees this week.
10/02/2021 20:19:06 1 1
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Er... actually it wasn't... it persuaded the UK to keep borders open to protect the precious global poor they have hoovered up billions and been flown round the world in put up 4 star to protect.... not YOU!
10/02/2021 20:37:41 1 1
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Is it a game of football? Can you honestly trust such an organisation? I feel sad for you.
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Another 'feather in the cap' for our medical science community. Well done to all concerned. You are truly world class!
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That's because the team behind it were multinational.
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So it seems that even some within our own nation were a little too hasty to do the UK down; let alone the unwarranted criticism from some beyond our shores.
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Multinational effort... Still let's let the Brexiters have their moment in the sun, whilst everything else is turning to sh*te
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10/02/2021 17:09:16 36 5
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Well said, and I see you use the word community, which has escaped the selective readers
The UK has invested heavily in this providing funding and trail candidates, and funding international testing. Developed in th UK
So yes a British lead success, regardless of whether people decide to ply their trade in the. UK.
The UK are the key stakeholder whom without this would not exist!
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Creating the worlds least effective vaccine is a feather in the cap?

More like a fly in the ointment!
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Is this the WHO beholden to China or experts we no longer listen to?
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Many countries contribute to WHO, including the UK. Do keep up lad.
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Great news, as this can be stored a lot easier it should help vaccinate people in poorer countries which we need to make us all safe.

Spacing was Blair’s idea, just think how better he’d have handled the pandemic than this bunch of chancers. Best PM in living memory hey DM readers………
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Unless you're from Iraq!
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Of course it wasn't Blair's idea, he just latched onto the notion that government scientists were already discussing, and pretended it was his idea.
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Blair? did you really say Blair? shocked
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10/02/2021 16:42:24 0 2
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He is the reason we have not had a labour government for over a decade.
He lied about WMD's, invaded Afghanistan and Iraq and promised a referendum on Europe twice. Because of him we had the Condems, years of Austerity and Boris for another 4 years. Talk about set socialism back 50 years....
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Tony, is this you hiding behind a pseudonym? When did you become a member of UK's Sage?
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Mr Macron, you've really had an absolute mare.
No, that's not his mother, it's his wife. Removed
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10/02/2021 16:51:36 7 29
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I suppose Mr Johnson is "having a blinder" then!....sorry this is not football match between England and France but peoples health (throughout the world)..AZ have done a great job but please don't use their geographical location to score points when we are all in this together.
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10/02/2021 16:58:59 9 6
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The French, like the UK are suffering through a large dose of populisim.

As you find in the UK, being seen to be tough on those accross the channel goes down well with some French electorite. It is unlikely Macron believes in his position, simply dog whistle politics for those who can't think for themselves.
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10/02/2021 17:26:54 28 3
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mr macron is little man doing a big job badly, well done to all involved in this great effort
10/02/2021 19:07:53 2 5
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Scientists in Germany and France have recommended not using it on over 65 years old because of science! The variants exist and scientists have said it is a problem!

The problem with WHO is the influence big business has over it. Having said that it was the pharmaceutical companies themselves who said they recommended having the 2nd dose within a short time span!
10/02/2021 20:22:00 2 1
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Just call him “Oedipus” for short......
11/02/2021 00:27:29 0 0
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He'll be out at the next election.
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10/02/2021 16:25:57 108 7
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Over these last few years it's become obvious that those who don't believe scientists or experts will still remain stubbornly unconvinced. The problem is that's there's so many of them they can't simply be ignored. They want to take us down with them. What to do?
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10/02/2021 16:31:09 18 94
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The problem is that the scientists words are spoken through the media and our government, both are corrupt and self serving, MPs maximising profits at every opportunity, the media with their ultra left wing agenda.. That's why there are so many and they shouldn't be ignored.
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Educate, educate, educate.
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10/02/2021 16:48:57 8 1
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If they don't want the vaccine, when they get Covid they shouldn't expect docs and nurses to put their lives at risk looking after them.
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10/02/2021 16:52:46 6 9
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Like in USA, according to Biden, he is letting the scientists and doctors make decisions in this matter, and their new infections seem to be dropping. This is what we should have done - kept politics out of it.
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10/02/2021 17:13:20 3 3
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May be they could start a new society, a bit like the societies in America that do not accept modern day advances.

I see nothing wrong with people rejecting 5G, vaccines and modern day health care. If they organized themselves into a commune they could live life there way and the 99% could live life in the modern world, both equally happy.
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10/02/2021 17:29:24 4 8
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Simple - if you don’t have 5 GCSEs at C* you don’t get to vote

Would give us better politicians who can’t pull the wool over the eyes of the gullible and a much better country
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This will be the "scientists" who change their minds with every government update. Such a comfort.
10/02/2021 20:22:20 2 0
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That's FaceBook & twitter for you...
10/02/2021 20:36:04 0 2
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Then there are those who won't accept any opposing scientists - they label them as 'deniers'. Intriguingly it is the 'Modellers' who so like this response. Started with the Climate Change modellers then Prof Ferguson's Covid Cultists.

“Science is the organized skepticism in the reliability of expert opinion.”

Richard Feynman

I am with Prof Heneghan and the Great Barrington Scientists.
10/02/2021 23:20:12 1 0
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Enforced rehab/re-education for belligerent covid deniers and repeated lockdown rule breakers. It has to be by force otherwise they simply will not listen and will not learn anything from the experience.

When mass stupidity as you described becomes a real threat like it seems to be coming, you have no choice but to use draconian methods before it is too late.
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Britain leading the way. Where would we have been if still in the EU?
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riots on the streets probably
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I for one am relieved that we can still rely on Astra Zeneka.
Other than that, not everything is a football match where the team that scores the best vaccine or most vaccinations or fewest deaths wins some cup.
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Leading the EU instead of retreating into jingoistic nationalism?
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10/02/2021 16:33:18 38 15
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Without trade barriers and tarrifs
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with 68% more exports
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Where would we have been if still in the EU?

This was developed and the roll-out planned while the UK was still effectively in the EU.

AstraZeneca plc is a British–Swedish company - and Sweden is in the EU.
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10/02/2021 16:41:39 36 21
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We would have been part of the failed EU vaccination program, just to fit in, as we always used to.
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10/02/2021 16:41:44 36 32
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In exactly the same place, but with a much better economy and better long-term prospects for everybody.
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Nothing to do with the EU. Idiotic comment.
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10/02/2021 16:42:46 26 13
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Exactly where we are now. Whilst we did have access to the European medical agency and could have chosen to join the vaccine procurement scheme we chose not to. That was the case regardless of Brexit.
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10/02/2021 16:47:34 6 5
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Oh, sorry, I thought speculation was akin to "project fear"? Careful with that high horse you think you're on.
Leading front the front with a far more robust and better protected economy
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probably at 2.8% (ish) vaccinated like the rest of the EU (ish)
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10/02/2021 17:10:49 6 6
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I would be waiting months longer for a jab along with millions of others,and would probably have another year of lockdown .Glad Boris got us out of that utter shambles.
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The highest death toll in the EU? Still we still seem to be leading way on death tolls generally.
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10/02/2021 17:53:50 1 4
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If we'd stayed in the EU we'd be looking at thousands more dead and lockdown for at least an extra 6 months, possibly longer. Their vaccination program is miles behind, causing Serbia to get vaccines from China and Russia !
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10/02/2021 19:52:23 0 0
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Oh god, imagine! Talk about seeing their true colours! We really did dodge a bullet there.
10/02/2021 20:19:11 0 0
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On the western side of the channel, just across from mainland Europe. Exactly where we are now.
10/02/2021 21:34:18 0 0
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Yep, leading the way in COVID-19 deaths
10/02/2021 21:43:06 0 0
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Leading the way with deaths, all needless.
10/02/2021 23:36:01 0 0
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Same place. Same freedom to opt out of the euro etc. We’d have been free in the EU to have done exactly the same things and have still had the worst death rate of all of them.
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c'mon Alan, give the brain cell a change; move on...
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GET IN ??
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Rapid left?
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Aye, their mouths are outrunning reality.
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GET IN ??
The haters of this country like the EU and rapid left must be fuming ??
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Sounds like the one who's full of hate and nothing but hate is you.
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10/02/2021 22:40:59 1 1
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Exactly!
Just because you hate the EU does not mean that the EU hates the UK.
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10/02/2021 16:26:23 6 21
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Who ? They have no authority here whatsoever and they should read the standing orders.
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Read and indeed understand them.
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Exactly.
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The point is that it's a decent vaccine but isn't the world-beating miracle cure that English nationalists want to believe.
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????????
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Half a loaf is better than none, and 65% protection is definately better than none.
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Well I'm incredibly proud that the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine, supported in its' development by the UK government, easy to store, sold at cost to poor countries, was designed and developed here in the UK. That this appears to rile the politically left, is just another bonus.
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its called hopium.a bit of hope better than nothing.you dont like english nationalists,but are fine with scottish nationalists.
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Excellent, the more we debunk the media scaremongering over variants the better.
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Agreed.
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You're finding out about this thanks to that very same media.
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You need to also debunk the EU commission who are desperately trying to use anything to deflect from their mistakes. When the leader of the EU commission is talking about grams of a specific ingredient you know they're in full-on defence mode.
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10/02/2021 16:38:06 27 4
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Yes. Ignore Macron. Hope the French voters do too. :-)
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So who in the media said "don't take the AZ vaccine because of variants"?
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10/02/2021 16:46:19 28 5
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You need to be a bit careful there. What they're saying is there's no reason to not use the vaccine if you have the variant in your country because there is still a non-zero benefit to be had from using them.

But don't then fall into the trap of dismissing mutations as no big deal. They are expected, but should be treated with respect.
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10/02/2021 16:49:27 13 17
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Scaremongering??

The media reported on concerns regards new vairiants in the UK...and those concerns turned out to be true and, it would appear, are contributing in a large part to the current lengthy lockdown.

The media reported on concern over SA variant and indeed these pose additional risk too.
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I for one welcome our new virus ovetlords!
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The media just brought you this story.

All they do is report what various bodies have said, it is not their job to tailor the content to what you want to hear.

Try one of your Alt-right sites instead (if there are any left) maybe Q has the answer for you.
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10/02/2021 17:14:32 13 5
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What's your background to know that the variants aren't an issue, just wondering if you have any credentials or just pulled that out of your rear end
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10/02/2021 17:14:43 1 5
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You'll be queuing up for your astra jab then. Better hope the "media scaremongering" is just that!
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10/02/2021 17:15:38 4 6
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WHO says the AZ vaccine is safe to use. However, unfortunately it says the effectiveness regardinging the "South African variant" is at around 63% and in South Africa at 10 % (origin of the "South African variant")
You can now understand the Government's panic of mass testesting of areas where the "South African variant" is found :-(
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10/02/2021 17:20:54 1 4
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Never mind the media we need to get this into the Health Secretary's head too.
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10/02/2021 18:13:07 3 2
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Don't forget, the UK has the capacity and ability to do Genome Sequencing, and hence, FIND other variants, nearly EVERY other country has NO ability to do this!
Seek and ye shall find, don't have the ability to seek, and ye shall NOT find!!!
10/02/2021 18:36:01 2 2
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This is the same WHO that said that human-to-human transmission wasn't possible, but changed their tone when the narrative suited them. The same WHO that said masks weren't helpful, but now want us to wear two! The same WHO that are being controlled by China and the NWO to restrict our FREEDOMS that we've fought and lost so much for. DO NOT TRUST THE WHO and other ELITES.
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It wasn't media scaremongering. Scientists in Germany and France have recommended not using it on over 65 years old because of science! The variants exist and scientists have said it is a problem!

The problem with WHO is the influence big business has over it.

Having said that it was the pharmaceutical companies themselves who said they recommended having the 2nd dose within a short time span!
10/02/2021 18:54:26 1 1
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Absolutely - the hype and hysteria that’s been created is extremely counter productive
10/02/2021 19:26:37 0 0
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Agreed. Let's get back to life.
10/02/2021 20:54:28 0 2
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Dumb comment. It's not the media, it's how experts in other countries feel. Only final results or proper scientific analysis can verify or "debunk" (totally incorrect word for alternative opinions) other views.
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In particular it highlights the bias, prejudice and antagonism on the part of some of the big players amongst our European "friends" (yes even before they lost the UK financial contribution); and confirms the irrationality of the 65/55 age-group thresholds set by some nations (anything to do with sour grapes over 'unfulfilled orders' for the Oxford jab?).
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Does that include the BBC and Andrew Marr
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91% of deaths involving COVID-19 between March and June in England and Wales occurred in people with at least one pre-existing condition. The most common conditions were dementia and Alzheimer’s disease, reflecting how the majority of COVID-19 deaths are among the elderly. For people aged under 70 influenza /pneumonia, diabetes and hypertensive diseases the most common conditions. Still same now.
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But , but, but saint Macron said it doesn't work ??????
He's a prat. We all know that. Removed
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he didn't say it doesn't work, he said an early study showed it's not effective in over 65's. Do your homework
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Just a ' selfish ' Frenchman.
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He is just someone who has been recently dumped playing the 'I never loved you anyway' card.
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Include the South Africans?
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he was trying to put the boot in, after their failed eu vaccinne program
they make me sick
thank god for brexit
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Macron's comments were clearly political, trying to put the boot in because the Astra-Zeneca vaccine was funded and developed in the UK. Now we're not in the EU, Macron and other EU leaders are taking the opportunity to "rubbish the rosbifs" to distract their citizens from the EU's own dismal performance in the vaccination stakes.
10/02/2021 18:18:12 7 0
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He should try on his wife she's over 65 he might be surprised
Outrageous from Macron. We can't have leaders acting as if they are heads of sovereign independent nations and making their own rules and regulations.
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Scientists in Germany and France have recommended not using it on over 65 years old because of science! The variants exist and scientists have said it is a problem!

The problem with WHO is the influence big business has over it.

Having said that it was the pharmaceutical companies themselves who said they recommended having the 2nd dose within a short time span!
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Yes, well, he may well regret that when the wrongful death lawsuits start hitting his desk.
10/02/2021 19:42:22 5 2
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But he's a Xenophobic little European, is that not so Strawcat? ;-)
10/02/2021 19:56:15 3 1
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There is not enough paperwork and it is in the wrong colour ink. Given a few years he may change his mind
10/02/2021 20:16:04 1 0
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Oedipus, you mean?
10/02/2021 20:40:29 3 0
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Macron did NOT say that!!

What he said was, and I quote, "Haw-hee, haw-hee, haw-hee, haw".
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10/02/2021 21:13:51 1 0
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I think he asks his teacher about most things!
10/02/2021 21:57:59 0 2
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Even you ex colony stopped it. In EU it is stopped for over 55.
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frogs legs don't taste the same after jab
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He didn't.
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Great. Get the pubs open and let people live their lives again.
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Yawn - it seems that for many getting to the pub is so so important. Yawn
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It seems for many living in fear is so important. Yawn
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It is important to get people living again not just the pubs but life in general. It is important to ensure NHS has capacity but need to move on once we are in that place. It is not about all staying inside. Imagine you are 85 and have precious years left.
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It is if it's you're business or job.
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its not just "Getting to the pub" though is it Jane. Its getting life back to normal, seeing friends and family. Lighten up.
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Yes... for many it’s their only lifeline and hope of human interaction.

You’re clearly a very selfish person who relishes lockdown - sadly there are too many like you.
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Rapid? If you want to stay you're going to have to learn the language.......
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Who cares what the WHO think? We don't need WHO approval.
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The clue is in the name 'World Health Organisation'
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Looks like your comment is going down a storm lad. Keep it up.
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A slap in the face for those EU states who banned the use of AZ vaccine in the over 65s.
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Not really a slap in the face.
They were just waiting for results of trials on the over-65's which have now been completed.
But maybe foreign beaches will be quieter for me and other British old codgers ??
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Nothing other than a pathetic propaganda play putting political interest above science and public health. It's a slap in the face they deserve.
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And they deserve it.
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It's a bit more important than you slapping on the face someone to prove yourself right my dear Donald.
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Yeah, I wouldn't jump to conclusions on that just yet, my grandmother had the jab and then unfortunately died of Covid a few weeks later.
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Bob
10/02/2021 16:51:30 6 14
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Not really. The full data still supports the notion that competing vaccines are more effective for those people and so if you have very limited supply, like they do, you will want to spend that supply wisely. That means giving the most at risk the best product.
646
10/02/2021 17:22:03 4 2
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Believe you me the French public are not too happy with Non Medical Macron at the moment as clinics are cancelling vaccinations for the over 65s because they haven't got the vaccines.
xlr
10/02/2021 23:59:42 0 0
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Basic immunology states that vaccines work better in people younger than 65. They have more active B-cells and are much more likely to produce a high antibody titre.

The EU is likely to be right and the WHO wrong on this, because that's how the immune system works.
11/02/2021 02:25:55 0 0
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Actually, the European Medicines Agency approved the AZ vaccine for all age groups (individual EU states have set different limits). It is actually some countries outside the EU - Switzerland, Norway - that have restricted it to the under 65s. And South Africa is considering swapping its entire AZ stock for the Johnson & Johnson vaccine altogether.
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10/02/2021 16:25:23 807 48
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Another 'feather in the cap' for our medical science community. Well done to all concerned. You are truly world class!
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10/02/2021 16:27:07 262 654
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That's because the team behind it were multinational.
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10/02/2021 16:31:35 249 62
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Multinational if a success, British if a failure!

If we hate ourselves do you expect us to be liked on the world stage? There is no pride in our country these days!
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10/02/2021 16:36:08 127 30
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I'm sure that you believe that you've made a killer point, there: care to share with the rest of us?
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10/02/2021 16:36:29 93 21
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I can feel your anguish from here.
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10/02/2021 16:36:47 65 11
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Ok guys... we get it. Yes it was a multinational team and yes we as a nation should not be taking credit for the good work of other countries, but this is excellent news indeed (as long as you are not one of the ones calling the WHO china's stooge)
Always some idiot to downplay the UK isnt it Removed
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10/02/2021 16:37:49 117 54
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nothing like a remoaner.... moaning. Of course it's an international team. The ip didn't say otherwise.
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10/02/2021 16:39:57 115 13
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We funded them.
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10/02/2021 16:40:16 72 4
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Doesn’t matter, it’s a world wide problem, the scientists involved are the best, whoever they came from. It’s a global problem.
And it should be “was”, not “were”. It’s only one team ......
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10/02/2021 16:40:28 78 25
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You know them then Strawcat?

Like you work with them and pre covid, at the end of the week you all used to pop out for a pizza, paella or poppadum together?

Thought not.
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10/02/2021 16:41:32 39 11
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Astrazeneca is Ango/Swedish.

Sweden is a country in northern Europe and a member of the EU. If you require any further information about Sweden check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden
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10/02/2021 16:41:42 54 11
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That's a stupid as saying it's because they weren't, or were all women, or gay.
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10/02/2021 16:40:42 111 21
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Why have people like you, the WOKE brigade, got to make PC comments all the time? I have no doubt the team at AstraZeneca were indeed multi-national, but it the breakthrough happened in the UK. Get over yourself.
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10/02/2021 16:44:26 120 5
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I have worked in the UK science research field and yes, the best research is done by the best people, wherever they come from. But they have to be funded and be provided with the wherewithal to get the research done! The UK does that well.
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10/02/2021 16:53:05 31 4
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He did not say otherwise.
526
10/02/2021 17:09:24 42 12
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Is this what you get up to whilst us immigrants are at work?

Trolling your fellow citizens who happened to vote differently than you?

Grow up!
549
10/02/2021 17:12:45 1 10
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Spoilsport!
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TV
10/02/2021 17:09:26 25 2
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Britain is multi-national - what is your point?
616
10/02/2021 17:16:04 8 6
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Don't tell me they were also politically correct, to a fault.
633
10/02/2021 17:20:57 29 7
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"That's because the team behind it were multinational."

That can't be! You've spent years telling us Brexit would cause all the international scientists to leave the UK!
726
10/02/2021 17:32:26 2 3
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SNP no doubt
728
10/02/2021 17:29:50 14 1
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There seems to be some confusion over this vaccine's development.
It was co-invented by the University of Oxford’s Jenner Institute and Vaccitech (a spin-out company from the Jenner Institute), not AstraZeneca (from the AstraZeneca website).
The Jenner Institute and Vaccitech announced on the 30th April 2020 that an outline licensing agreement had been reached with AstraZeneca.
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10/02/2021 16:24:20 113 60
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GET IN ??
The haters of this country like the EU and rapid left must be fuming ??
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10/02/2021 16:27:11 5 23
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haters like you of other peoples views......standard right winger
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Tom
10/02/2021 16:27:22 1 16
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I don't know who backs the Oxford vaccine, you tell me!
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10/02/2021 16:30:58 5 1
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The WHO backs it. You've just been told.
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10/02/2021 16:36:45 0 1
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WHO. The UK's MHRA, the EU's EMA. Argentina, Mexico, India, Morroco...and more. So now you know Tommy me boy!
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10/02/2021 16:27:24 61 3
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This is what we needed earlier in the week. A lot of knocks for this vaccine but genuine support now.

So sleeves up and keep going. It’s also going to be one of the biggest exports as there’s 7 billion that will need it
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10/02/2021 16:29:15 24 6
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Perhaps sadly for economic interests it is sold at cost.
617
10/02/2021 17:19:19 5 2
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We are selling it at cost to save the world-approx £3 per shot
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10/02/2021 16:26:35 550 65
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But , but, but saint Macron said it doesn't work ??????
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He's a prat. We all know that. Removed
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10/02/2021 16:30:00 57 2
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At least he was the teacher’s pet.
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10/02/2021 16:35:53 62 8
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Yep. Up yours Macron!
He nay be a "prat" but don't forget that Boris Johnsons dither, failed policies and complete inability to control the virus have caused the deaths of many 10,000s of British citizens

Remember that he allowed Cheltenham races to go ahead in March

And (whilst knowing about the new strain) he tried to "save Christmas" by putting London into tier 2 in December putting wealth before health
757
10/02/2021 17:36:46 6 22
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France still got more than 30.000 less death than the UK, with a similar sized population. Guess he must be doing something right…
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10/02/2021 17:47:57 0 7
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Yep - can only tell him apart from our own prat by the fact that he combs his hair.
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10/02/2021 16:24:54 41 36
bbc
Great. Get the pubs open and let people live their lives again.
27
10/02/2021 16:27:31 7 10
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Going to the pub = living a life!
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10/02/2021 16:27:37 85 12
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I'm sure the doom merchants will still try and find fault with the British Government and our vaccination approach , despite this endorsement by the WHO.
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10/02/2021 16:31:42 48 9
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yes, take heed BBC
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10/02/2021 16:34:39 1 11
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I think we could have many fewer dead if the government delay with this better.

Not hindsight just obvious mistakes.

But it’s easy when the Tory magic money forest is being savages to keep Tory donors happy.
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jo
10/02/2021 16:40:02 2 5
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The WHO were supporting the vaccine developed by and the advice provided by our scientists not the British Government.
10/02/2021 18:26:08 1 1
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There's plenty to fault the government for - high death rates, useless tier/restriction planning, inconsistent messaging, rampant cronyism, etc.
10/02/2021 19:40:39 0 0
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Honest question: Can you find any fault in the British government?
Am I first? Removed
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10/02/2021 16:27:43 4 2
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With an absolute cracker of a comment
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10/02/2021 16:27:43 335 7
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Hooray, these guys have worked all the hours god sends and a few he didn't to get this vaccine sorted. Thank you to the lot of them. Brains, hard-work, precision and perseverance. Outstanding.
Would that be the same god that permitted the vaccine to kill people, by any chance? ?? Removed
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10/02/2021 16:48:49 9 1
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Totally agree. It is very humbling to think of how hard the scientists and NHS are working - although we still have a long, long way to go. Let’s hope everyone is doing their best to follow the guidelines, and get us slowly out of lockdown.
We can’t do that unless the figures drop, and continue to drop, and that includes reopening schools.
851
10/02/2021 17:50:31 3 10
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And then Johnson puts on a white coat and gets in their way in an attempt to associate himself with their success. His fans lap it up though. Sad.
10/02/2021 18:42:42 0 0
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Couldn’t have put it better myself
xlr
10/02/2021 23:31:18 0 0
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The UK-based researchers from EU countries who contributed to the vaccine would quite like to live here and continue to contribute to the UK without this post-Brexit visa nonsense hanging over their heads.
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10/02/2021 16:24:20 113 60
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GET IN ??
The haters of this country like the EU and rapid left must be fuming ??
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10/02/2021 16:27:43 16 19
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I think you're the one full of ignorance and hatred. Sensible, mature countries work together.
630
10/02/2021 17:20:36 6 2
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Tell that to Macron & the EU, then let us know how well their working together is doing...
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10/02/2021 16:25:53 6 34
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Great news, as this can be stored a lot easier it should help vaccinate people in poorer countries which we need to make us all safe.

Spacing was Blair’s idea, just think how better he’d have handled the pandemic than this bunch of chancers. Best PM in living memory hey DM readers………
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10/02/2021 16:27:56 14 2
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Unless you're from Iraq!
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10/02/2021 16:26:44 193 23
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macron will be so miffed.lol
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10/02/2021 16:38:54 50 163
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If he were, how would that improve the quality of your daily life? Or is spite and hatred important to you?
Why? He simply waited for the results

Dont forget that Boris Johnsons dither, failed policies & inability to control the virus have caused the deaths of many 10,000s of British citizens

Remember that he allowed Cheltenham races to go ahead in March

And (whilst knowing about the new strain) he tried to "save Christmas" by putting London into tier 2 in December putting wealth before health
10/02/2021 20:34:24 1 0
bbc
He won’t care, it played well at the time for his domestic political aims etc
11/02/2021 13:02:55 0 0
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Maybe, but he did speak the truth.
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Rob
10/02/2021 16:27:57 67 14
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at last some clarity to silence the doomsters and jealous governments.
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10/02/2021 16:32:58 18 3
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It won't though.
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10/02/2021 16:34:18 1 2
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It won’t be enough for them, or some people here. They are desperate to be locked up for the rest of their lives. But the really scary thing is they want the rest of us locked up as well
640
10/02/2021 17:21:35 0 1
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it won't be as a lot of vested interest for profit making companies out there, ie doctors who promote competing vaccines.
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lai
10/02/2021 16:28:10 7 3
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Of course it has. It was always going to. The rest has just been a brilliantly acted pantomime of horror lest we realised too early that AstraZeneca was always going to be.
Am I first? Removed
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10/02/2021 16:28:10 0 2
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No, I came first.
99
10/02/2021 16:33:46 0 1
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No you will find it was me....
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10/02/2021 16:26:23 12 47
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The point is that it's a decent vaccine but isn't the world-beating miracle cure that English nationalists want to believe.
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10/02/2021 16:28:11 7 2
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????????
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10/02/2021 16:28:13 44 3
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Not like there is any alternative. It is good enough and more easy to store ant therefore use.
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10/02/2021 17:11:45 2 18
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The alternatives seem to be: use a vaccine which may not work or wait for one that definitely does.
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10/02/2021 16:26:03 387 113
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Britain leading the way. Where would we have been if still in the EU?
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10/02/2021 16:28:21 160 54
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riots on the streets probably
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10/02/2021 16:26:03 387 113
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Britain leading the way. Where would we have been if still in the EU?
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10/02/2021 16:28:28 27 7
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I for one am relieved that we can still rely on Astra Zeneka.
Other than that, not everything is a football match where the team that scores the best vaccine or most vaccinations or fewest deaths wins some cup.
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10/02/2021 16:28:28 170 11
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"And that spacing out the two doses, as is happening in the UK, makes the vaccine more effective."

Now that's a stroke of luck, though we're due some
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10/02/2021 16:44:15 156 11
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It wasn't just luck... We had a hunch it would make it more effective or at least not less effective based on other trials of vaccines for similar diseases. That's what a lot of science is really... Having a fair idea what might be the case based on other information and then doing the experiments to see if that's right or not. It's certainly fantastic news that our hopes have been realised :)
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10/02/2021 16:51:04 3 3
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This was the one thing that has me wondering, manufacturers saying 3-4 weeks, UK scientists saying longer which the WHO has now backed. Take the politics and point scoring out of it, follow the science, whether in UK or anywhere else, this virus doesn't care.
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10/02/2021 17:09:15 8 1
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It's not luck; the Oxford Group kept the CMO informed of developments regarding time between doses, which was why the decision was made to increase it.
Look for source documents rather than relying on the media & there's a LOT more reliable information to be had.
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10/02/2021 17:26:59 0 11
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Just like finding a half dose is what was needed! Now that was VERY scientific! Oh, no sorry, it was a mistake.
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10/02/2021 16:28:36 316 82
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The UK is really showing the EU up on a weekly basis now
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10/02/2021 16:30:56 149 372
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The EU is mature enough to admit its shortcomings. Brexiteers still think they have a world-beating deal when they clearly don't.
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10/02/2021 16:37:16 16 13
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Brexit is a gift from God. Thank you, God.
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Jim
10/02/2021 16:42:33 2 9
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That's the important thing, right? ?????
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10/02/2021 16:42:59 7 15
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Maybe, but we are still spreading it, with over 10,000 cases a day, and over 1,000 dying - not really anything to be proud of. The vaccine yes, but infection rate, no.
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10/02/2021 16:47:09 5 5
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And it would be sad if we don't help out our neighbours because of nationalistic pride. This is a worldwide pandemic.
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10/02/2021 17:18:31 3 7
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How exactly? Our death toll is twice Germanys. Even with our vaccine success we will still come out of this looking terrible, and Bozo will go down as the worst PM in British history. Can't even brush his hair.
10/02/2021 19:39:02 0 1
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Until the shelves are empty and our industries in ruin, like fishing!
Tim
10/02/2021 19:52:41 0 0
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funny that!
10/02/2021 21:36:08 0 0
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This is not a competition between the UK and EU, in who can take the most jabs first. Although... there seems to be quite a few posters in this article who trying to turn it into that. I wonder why? Are some of you paid posters for the GOV or something?
Phi
11/02/2021 00:10:42 0 0
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113,850 deaths which is the worst death rate in the world, let alone in the EU isn't really winning is it?
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10/02/2021 16:28:38 143 18
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Don't despair folks. Your daily dose of doom and gloom will resume ASAP.
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JBM
10/02/2021 16:40:17 25 69
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5pm tonight live from Downer sorry Downing St.
10/02/2021 19:32:09 1 0
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Most news is bad news.
10/02/2021 19:37:00 2 1
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I have noticed that myself, 2 things really.

The first is if you watch carefully enough, you can see next weeks headlines early, little snippets here and there always lead on.

Secondly, the news seems to be a cycle of fear and hope on repeat, you can almost set your watch by it.
Joe
10/02/2021 22:17:37 1 0
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And that's just on HYS!
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10/02/2021 16:28:39 532 59
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So its fine with everyone apart from a few European countries who have thrown their toys out of the pram. Because they havent got any.
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10/02/2021 16:37:17 341 33
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The countries that haven’t got any because they have done a poor job of making it, despite being handed the culture profit free by the UK’s scientific establishment.
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10/02/2021 16:39:15 7 62
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That is because even though the WHO says it is safe to use, its efectiveness is unfortunately still below 50% and in the South African study at 10% effectiveness :-(
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10/02/2021 17:34:36 31 6
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Would that be the EU that threatened the UK if we didn’t divert vaccine from our own resources
11/02/2021 07:27:35 0 0
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South Africa is not in the EU, it was there where doubts emerged.
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10/02/2021 16:25:53 6 34
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Great news, as this can be stored a lot easier it should help vaccinate people in poorer countries which we need to make us all safe.

Spacing was Blair’s idea, just think how better he’d have handled the pandemic than this bunch of chancers. Best PM in living memory hey DM readers………
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10/02/2021 16:28:40 5 2
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Of course it wasn't Blair's idea, he just latched onto the notion that government scientists were already discussing, and pretended it was his idea.
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10/02/2021 16:26:03 387 113
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Britain leading the way. Where would we have been if still in the EU?
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10/02/2021 16:28:44 52 64
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Leading the EU instead of retreating into jingoistic nationalism?
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10/02/2021 16:37:40 37 23
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So you're happy to talk the UK down at any opportunity and scorn those who praise when the UK gets some good news.
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10/02/2021 16:46:02 11 16
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Think you'll find that most jingoism is coming out of the EU and its supporters.
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10/02/2021 17:31:36 4 9
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Had the EU leaders listened to Cameron instead of burying their collective heads in the sand and refusing to accept that the EU needed major reform then maybe we would have been. They have no one to blame for the result but themselves.
Ali
10/02/2021 19:20:54 1 0
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The commission leads the EU, not the council, you know that. And they're unelected to boot.
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10/02/2021 16:28:50 22 8
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Et tu Emmanuel?
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10/02/2021 16:31:57 19 2
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dummies and rattles will be flying out of prams methinks.
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10/02/2021 16:26:23 12 47
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The point is that it's a decent vaccine but isn't the world-beating miracle cure that English nationalists want to believe.
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10/02/2021 16:28:52 5 2
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Half a loaf is better than none, and 65% protection is definately better than none.
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10/02/2021 16:31:42 1 3
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Good grammar is better than bad grammar.
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W 6
10/02/2021 16:25:56 374 42
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Mr Macron, you've really had an absolute mare.
No, that's not his mother, it's his wife. Removed
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10/02/2021 16:38:28 9 2
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now stop it, Strawcat, no showing off!
(quite funny, though)
Who ? They have no authority here whatsoever and they should read the standing orders.
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10/02/2021 16:29:14 4 1
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Read and indeed understand them.
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10/02/2021 16:27:24 61 3
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This is what we needed earlier in the week. A lot of knocks for this vaccine but genuine support now.

So sleeves up and keep going. It’s also going to be one of the biggest exports as there’s 7 billion that will need it
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10/02/2021 16:29:15 24 6
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Perhaps sadly for economic interests it is sold at cost.
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10/02/2021 16:34:53 9 2
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I think it’s only right we did. We need the whole word jabbed to ensure once we are out of lockdown, it’s over for good. Otherwise it will be like last summer...cases low, everyone returns from abroad and it goes crazy again
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10/02/2021 16:39:06 12 1
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At cost doesn’t mean without people in employment through manufacturing and distribution though.
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JCB
10/02/2021 16:55:45 4 1
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If it was American it would be sold at a huge profit. Shameful.
10/02/2021 21:05:21 1 0
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And we are the only country to insist that a vaccine was sold at cost until the end of the pandemic
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10/02/2021 16:25:53 6 34
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Great news, as this can be stored a lot easier it should help vaccinate people in poorer countries which we need to make us all safe.

Spacing was Blair’s idea, just think how better he’d have handled the pandemic than this bunch of chancers. Best PM in living memory hey DM readers………
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10/02/2021 16:29:19 2 2
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Blair? did you really say Blair? shocked
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10/02/2021 16:29:45 394 58
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Totally vindicates the governments approach and how well they have done with the vaccine roll out . They have made mistakes like most governments have made right across the world. It is very easy to criticise when you are not having to make life and death situations with constantly moving goal posts. The EU/German smear campaign has been a disgrace and have acted very badly with article 16.
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10/02/2021 16:33:16 133 321
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The government have dealt with this terribly for 10 of the last 12 months.
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10/02/2021 16:34:09 31 45
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Bozo has been absolutely useless at managing Covid. The ONLY thing he did well was trust the NHS with the vaccination program as the NHS is world class at this. It doesnt pay to spaff money up a wall when you put your useless mates in charge (Dido) or give money to companies who cant deliver (PPE).
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10/02/2021 16:35:18 16 25
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That's the thing, they were too scared to make decisions on so many occasions, that's what has cost extra deaths compared to so many countries in europe and elswhere. We've done better than Belgium and Slovenia in deather per capita, but that's it. Not sure that is total vindication.
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10/02/2021 16:33:53 2 11
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Loving it ??
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10/02/2021 16:59:55 16 28
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It disturbs me greatly how much work people like you are putting into re-writing history to suit the Tory agenda.
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10/02/2021 17:02:09 10 19
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Tbh, the G had to deal with a totally unprecedented situation, but so has the rest of the world - and many other countries have done a better job than us. We locked down too late, eased too early, and the we are very bad at following the guidelines, because we are still spreading it.
Australia has spectators at the tennis - we have no football crowds, our national game - what’s wrong with us?.
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10/02/2021 17:07:05 20 3
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Well done nationalised NHS you mean. It has worked brilliantly as the Government has let it do its thing. Also thousands of volunteers.
907
10/02/2021 17:58:17 7 4
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Fully agree with the exception of mistakes. A decision that is criticised with hindsight is not a mistake. Even if things got worse, the other path was not tested and so we will never know if the outcome would have been better, the same or worse. Think of all the ventilators sitting idle because you now stand more chance of survival with "proning"
10/02/2021 18:18:46 1 3
bbc
It vindicates shutting the economy AND having very high deaths? No it doesn't.
10/02/2021 18:35:44 7 3
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Well done PM , i think remainers would rather die of covid than admit you have done well. Plenty of vision to buy early. An increased majority at the next election and we can really get stuck into socialism and wipe it out. A far worse virus than covid
10/02/2021 19:37:14 1 4
bbc
It does not vindicate one of the highest excess death tolls in the world! Incompetent and vacillating politicians hope the electorate will remember the last headline.
Tim
10/02/2021 19:49:02 5 1
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Really pleased to see so many up votes for this comment rather than the "bozo the clown" nonsense that the liberal lefties that normally stork these pages love to spout to everyone not listening - As if any of them could do any better!
10/02/2021 21:06:38 0 4
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They took a big gamble, particularly with dose spacing. It looks like it may pay off, good for them. If it had gone the other way you'd all be up the creek.
Personally I prefer a government that doesn't use my grandma as a guinea pig, but each to his own...
10/02/2021 21:33:25 2 3
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Rubbish - the vaccine roll out has been achieved DESPITE the UK government's totally incompetent approach to the virus for the past year - and this success has been down to the NHS and local GP Partnerships - all public sector organisations and not mates of government ministers coining it in as in the test and trace fiasco
xlr
10/02/2021 23:28:39 1 4
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The government had nothing to do with the vaccine rollout. Researchers made it, big pharma manufactured it, the NHS rolled out.

If anything, the government has gotten in the way with their Brexit nonsense, allowing xenophobic populists to interfere with recruiting the best staff across Europe, forcing STEM graduates to pay huge uni fees, and constant assaults on the NHS.
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10/02/2021 16:24:54 41 36
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Great. Get the pubs open and let people live their lives again.
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10/02/2021 16:29:46 3 6
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Well said
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10/02/2021 16:29:46 262 16
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Too many people jumped to conclusions with the AZ vaccine before all the data was in.

Now the full data is available and there has been sufficient time to evaluate it the AZ vaccine has proven to be effective even against the SA strain.

This is a relief to much of the world that is relying on the AZ vaccine.
the AZ vaccine has NOT been proven to be effective even against the SA strain, this is patent nonsense as there has been no time whatsoever to evaluate data to make that claim.
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Bob
10/02/2021 16:47:45 20 3
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It is still much less effective though, and that's the WHO's point here. They're saying yes it is less effective but that's no reason to stop using it - because it still has at least some effect.
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10/02/2021 16:48:19 24 2
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not as dangerous an assertion as out-and-out denial
but
the first trials in SA found the vaccine from AstraZeneca to be poor at protecting fully against the SA strain

on the upside, nobody got gravely ill
which is a win
on the upper upside
Oxford have been very open about testing the vaccine
and have begun work on improved versions
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10/02/2021 16:49:30 1 9
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this is a proper fight

you're going to wear your little arms out if you go getting all wildly flaggy so early

try for stamina and resilience
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10/02/2021 16:59:52 4 10
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WHO says the AZ vaccine is safe to use. However, unfortunately it says the effectiveness regardinging the "South African variant" is at around 63% and in South Africa at 10 % (origin of the "South African variant")
You can now understand the Government's panic of mass testesting of areas where the "South African variant" is found :-(
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10/02/2021 17:22:22 2 2
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Proven? Where?
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10/02/2021 17:41:38 8 2
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I will make a couple of additions to my comment.

Firstly the full data from South Africa still isn't available.

Secondly for clarity the data from South Africa said that the AZ vaccine wasn't effective in preventing mild to moderate symptoms from Covid-19.

This doesn't alter the fact that the AZ vaccine is effective against the virus.
10/02/2021 19:15:13 1 0
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It certainly is a relief. As it's the cheapest of the offerings and the one that is most available, it's the one you're most likely to get.
10/02/2021 21:35:10 0 0
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Well it's certainly a relief to me, having had it last Sunday!
11/02/2021 00:57:52 0 1
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The BBC were EAGER to jump to conclusions, highlighting the non peer reviewed, small number study regarding the SA variant & pushing it as some kind of problem brought on by the government.
Like most of the left, the BBC is doing all it can to make political capital capital from something even the WHO states isn't an issue.
Roll on my AZ vaccine shot in a couple of weeks...
11/02/2021 02:31:59 0 0
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Did you actually read the article you are commenting on?

"However, early data from trials in South Africa showed the vaccine was offering "minimal protection" against mild and moderate disease in young people.

The WHO's director of immunisation, Dr Katherine O'Brien, said the South African study was "inconclusive" and it was "plausible" the vaccine would still prevent severe disease."
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10/02/2021 16:29:59 115 7
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This would appear to be a total justification of MHRA approval. It is worrying that certain counties may follow South African lead and waste perfectly good vaccines based on a very small trial. I sincerely hope that is not the case and that Covax continues to do its good work.
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10/02/2021 17:07:10 30 12
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No. The MHRA gave their approval based on the data they had available at that time. Like everyone else they'll be keeping an eye on all new data. South Africa has the problem of potentially spending a lot of time and money delivering a vaccine which is not effective in their population. I wouldn't like to be in their shoes.
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10/02/2021 17:15:26 2 1
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S Africa decided to use the Oxford vaccine the day after putting it on hold
11/02/2021 00:29:29 0 0
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Indeed, I find it odd that given the average age of the participants was 31, why would it be deemed as effectively useless for all?
He's a prat. We all know that. Removed
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10/02/2021 16:30:00 57 2
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At least he was the teacher’s pet.
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10/02/2021 16:35:46 40 8
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And opening the door for the National Front in France, truly worrying.
Their experts (WHO) said it should be used even in countries where variants of coronavirus that make the vaccine less effective are circulating.

Yes, let us use a vaccine that is less effective than it should be.
Insane!

The WHO also says the vaccine can be used in people aged over 65. Except the trials didn't have enough in this category.

The WHO is run by an ex terrorist and sterilizer gates.
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10/02/2021 16:31:20 7 7
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Nice of you to back your country?
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10/02/2021 16:31:40 1 1
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Wow!!!!!
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10/02/2021 16:32:25 2 2
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Are you an expert in that field? If not, why do you think you can comment?
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10/02/2021 16:32:43 0 2
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Or they know more about vaccines than you do
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10/02/2021 16:35:14 1 1
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You are a dangerous individual
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10/02/2021 16:32:36 1 1
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What's your scientific qualifications? Professional armchair bitterness doesn't really cut it.
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10/02/2021 16:38:06 1 1
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We no longer need trials - we have real life data from the weeks it has been administered on over 65's in numerous countries across the world.

You are, of course, free to decline the vaccine that is 63% effective overall against all strains and take your chance with no vaccine. Personally I will take whatever vaccine the UK offer me.
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JFK
10/02/2021 16:30:12 213 14
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A massive thumbs up the guys and girls who produced this vaccine here in the UK look at what we can do.
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10/02/2021 16:37:20 50 199
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...if we have international experts working in the UK on the vaccine. They're not all white English males you know.
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10/02/2021 17:26:54 11 3
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Interesting fact - the team which produced the OAZ vaccine is almost entirely female...
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10/02/2021 18:07:22 1 8
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"We", what was your involvement? Or are you taking credit for something based on the location of your birth.
10/02/2021 18:11:18 3 0
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Owzaboutthatthen.
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10/02/2021 16:30:12 152 54
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Slow claps all round for the EU.

#betteroffout
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10/02/2021 16:39:31 62 171
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UK exports down 68% since Brexit.

Slow handclap for Gove.
Why?

The EU nations are 2 or 3 weeks behind us regarding vaccinations

But have seen far fewer deaths and have better protected their ecomonies

Dont forget the UK currently has the 3rd highest number if deaths per mill pop of any nation on earth

As well as the worst performing economy of any major nation worldwise

Slow claps all round for Boris.
10/02/2021 19:40:43 0 6
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One vaccine swallow doesn’t make a summer. Fishing industry going down the pan and the Union under pressure.
10/02/2021 20:35:42 1 5
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Why so much hatred and prejudice towards the EU? Britain is not perfect nor is any other European country. Why don't you compare how the pandemic was handled in comparison with other European countries?Britain still has the worst death rate in the world and the highest in Europe.
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10/02/2021 16:30:17 10 39
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63% effective. It isn’t really very good then. But it is British.
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10/02/2021 16:31:42 4 4
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NO PROBLEM. BYE NOW ???
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10/02/2021 16:33:52 0 3
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A British vaccine for British mutants.
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10/02/2021 16:34:07 1 1
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Its effective ... and its a British Swedish company
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10/02/2021 16:35:32 2 1
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That's 63% effective at preventing ANY infection at all and virtually 100% effective at preventing serious illness hospitalisation and deaths. Really very good then
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10/02/2021 16:38:55 0 1
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About the same as influenza vaccine, that manages to save a lot of lives each year. The effectiveness is by extrapolation from trials data so I would prefer to wait a few months to acquire real world data before judging how really effective it is. I am quite relaxed about having either this or any any other vaccine as a first step to normality.
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10/02/2021 16:42:57 0 1
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Its been 63% since day 1, wait 12 weeks jab #2 and it increases to +80%. The WHO tends to be a bit lagging, probably still doing 3 weeks between as they recommend. It took them over a year to get to Wuhan. Anyway if SA wants rid of AZ they can give it to their African neighbours. 13million Brits have been jabbed once, we'll be getting the real data soon.
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10/02/2021 16:40:57 0 1
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If you think 63% isn't really very good then wait until you hear how effective the yearly flu jabs are. This is good
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10/02/2021 16:30:35 273 39
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so can the BBC now stop going on and on and on and on about the South African varient
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10/02/2021 16:31:50 221 33
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Nope, gotta keep people terrified
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10/02/2021 16:31:58 15 2
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I haven’t read anything in the mail or telegraph or express or the sun about variants at all. Just the bbc /s
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10/02/2021 16:41:36 7 24
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Why, it is important news. Stop with the anti-BBC agenda, it indicates a sinister agenda.
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10/02/2021 17:10:58 1 5
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I think you'll find the international science community are 'going on and on' - you put far too much faith in the medical expertise of the BBC! I'm sure they will be bemused but flattered by your elevation of them...!
10/02/2021 18:42:08 4 3
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No, they need to keep following the elites' narrative and pushing the idea of a virus that only kills 0.0001% of people as being a bigger threat than HIV/AIDS, ebola, measles, polio, the black death and other historical plagues, combined. That and covid somehow is the main cause of death when people die in car crashes?!??!?!? This 'pandemic' is as real as Pinochio.
10/02/2021 19:12:30 0 0
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If all you hear is scaremongering, you're not listen, medically caution is inherent for new drug... you'd be first to condemn the scientists if it went wrong... deal in facts not news that either suits or doesn't suit your opinion.... being realistic is a scare tactic.
10/02/2021 19:28:08 1 0
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They'll be more variants, inescapable fact.
10/02/2021 20:06:43 2 0
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Could say the same with you and the BBC... On and on and on, non-stop complaining about it, and adding nothing to the table. Why are you even here if you hate it so much?
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10/02/2021 16:24:20 113 60
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GET IN ??
The haters of this country like the EU and rapid left must be fuming ??
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10/02/2021 16:30:42 14 14
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Awwwww Out crawl the haters with the tissues, because of a typo error. ENJOY GUYS ??
Who ? They have no authority here whatsoever and they should read the standing orders.
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10/02/2021 16:30:43 1 1
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Exactly.
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10/02/2021 16:28:36 316 82
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The UK is really showing the EU up on a weekly basis now
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10/02/2021 16:30:56 149 372
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The EU is mature enough to admit its shortcomings. Brexiteers still think they have a world-beating deal when they clearly don't.
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10/02/2021 16:36:57 36 7
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This is about vaccine not Brexit
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10/02/2021 16:38:00 28 9
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And you are being serious? hahahahahaha
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10/02/2021 16:38:48 26 3
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Didnt realise this thread was about Brexit
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10/02/2021 16:39:15 19 3
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WT*?? What kind of eejit thinks linking the two is in ANY WAY valid
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10/02/2021 16:39:30 39 10
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Actually no. The EU has spent the past 10 days looking for scapegoats, because they cannot get rid of their rather useless commission, protected as it is by Germany. Within a year the UK economy will be up and up whilst the EU is still hit by Covid (and other) problems. Just be grateful that the nightmare of the EU is over for us.
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Jim
10/02/2021 16:42:47 0 9
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Boom.
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10/02/2021 16:45:10 10 3
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Don't be so quick with the lip Strawhat?

There is an old saying that goes along the lines,

He who laughs loudest and longest, voted for Brexit. Or something like that.
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10/02/2021 17:13:01 7 3
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Says probably the last surviving Lib-DemStill think Swinson is PM material?
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10/02/2021 17:28:51 5 2
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mr macron your silence is deafening
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bob
10/02/2021 17:39:04 8 2
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???????? amazing how the EU gets away with making mistakes with remoaners, this strawcat person is demented
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10/02/2021 17:44:28 4 3
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"The EU is mature enough to admit its shortcomings"

If that was the case they would have dumped the Euro
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10/02/2021 17:50:29 5 1
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No they aren't, as soon as VDL had 'apologized' one of their commissioners was prattling on about vaccine export bans again.
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10/02/2021 17:58:24 4 3
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Is it any wonder we have a less than optimal deal after five years of remainers fighting against their own country and handing gifts to the EU negotiators.
10/02/2021 18:49:05 2 4
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Correct. A pity the lemming Brexiteers are incapable of putting two and two together, as shown by the comments above.

Not to mention the OP was the one who originally brought up the EU to begin with, as well as a typical and poor attempt at boasting, when we all know the UK's management of the spread of the virus is abysmal

Just endless double standards and hypocrisy from your common Brexiteer.
10/02/2021 18:45:51 0 1
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The shortcomings of brexit are about as real as the threat of this scam virus.
10/02/2021 19:11:16 1 1
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Best let it go now.
You still crying then?
10/02/2021 20:17:15 2 0
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Really? The fiasco regarding Ireland & their backpedalling/their tantrums about who has access to the vaccines... The mind boggles at your bizarere comment!
10/02/2021 20:17:35 3 1
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ROFL it took over 2 weeks to 'admit' anything Strawcat, and even then Ursula was begrudging, and hasn't called off the Trade War they started to deflect from their vaccine incompetence. Your attempts to rescue them get weaker every day!
10/02/2021 20:27:11 0 1
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Fully agree
10/02/2021 20:35:24 1 0
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What a load of rubbish.
10/02/2021 20:48:34 0 1
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When will you Remainers there in the UK finally wake up an realise that you lost? Decades of membership of the Common Market and the EU and you couldn't even think of reasons to stay in. Really?
11/02/2021 01:17:50 0 0
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Very funny. The EU doesn't do mature, it's a massive bureaucracy.
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Tom
10/02/2021 16:27:22 1 16
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I don't know who backs the Oxford vaccine, you tell me!
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10/02/2021 16:30:58 5 1
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The WHO backs it. You've just been told.
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10/02/2021 16:34:38 0 1
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And The Stones!
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10/02/2021 16:25:57 108 7
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Over these last few years it's become obvious that those who don't believe scientists or experts will still remain stubbornly unconvinced. The problem is that's there's so many of them they can't simply be ignored. They want to take us down with them. What to do?
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10/02/2021 16:31:09 18 94
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The problem is that the scientists words are spoken through the media and our government, both are corrupt and self serving, MPs maximising profits at every opportunity, the media with their ultra left wing agenda.. That's why there are so many and they shouldn't be ignored.
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10/02/2021 17:17:35 11 5
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Ultra left wing media is a fantasy
10/02/2021 18:30:03 5 1
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You clearly have no concept of the political leanings of 'the media' if you think they are all dispensing news with an ultra left wing bias. Not sure what point your crass sweeping generalisation is trying to make about scientists getting their message across, perhaps you think they should be using social media more, which is propbably where you get your warped perceptions from
10/02/2021 20:22:43 0 0
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Oh dear... Yawn!
10/02/2021 21:24:08 2 0
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Since when have the Telegraph, Mail, and Express been Left Wing Media?
10/02/2021 23:16:09 0 0
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Conspiracy theory #17590
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10/02/2021 16:26:40 37 25
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Yawn - it seems that for many getting to the pub is so so important. Yawn
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10/02/2021 16:31:11 5 7
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It seems for many living in fear is so important. Yawn
Their experts (WHO) said it should be used even in countries where variants of coronavirus that make the vaccine less effective are circulating.

Yes, let us use a vaccine that is less effective than it should be.
Insane!

The WHO also says the vaccine can be used in people aged over 65. Except the trials didn't have enough in this category.

The WHO is run by an ex terrorist and sterilizer gates.
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10/02/2021 16:31:20 7 7
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Nice of you to back your country?
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10/02/2021 16:31:32 6 2
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Good to hear. Not that we can choose the vaccine at the time either way !
Their experts (WHO) said it should be used even in countries where variants of coronavirus that make the vaccine less effective are circulating.

Yes, let us use a vaccine that is less effective than it should be.
Insane!

The WHO also says the vaccine can be used in people aged over 65. Except the trials didn't have enough in this category.

The WHO is run by an ex terrorist and sterilizer gates.
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10/02/2021 16:31:40 1 1
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Wow!!!!!
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10/02/2021 16:28:52 5 2
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Half a loaf is better than none, and 65% protection is definately better than none.
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10/02/2021 16:31:42 1 3
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Good grammar is better than bad grammar.
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10/02/2021 16:27:37 85 12
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I'm sure the doom merchants will still try and find fault with the British Government and our vaccination approach , despite this endorsement by the WHO.
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10/02/2021 16:31:42 48 9
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yes, take heed BBC
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10/02/2021 16:30:17 10 39
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63% effective. It isn’t really very good then. But it is British.
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10/02/2021 16:31:42 4 4
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NO PROBLEM. BYE NOW ???
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10/02/2021 16:31:43 25 15
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In your face Monsieur Le President!
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10/02/2021 16:40:17 5 8
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Very mature
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10/02/2021 16:30:35 273 39
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so can the BBC now stop going on and on and on and on about the South African varient
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10/02/2021 16:31:50 221 33
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Nope, gotta keep people terrified
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10/02/2021 16:51:09 5 6
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Who is terrified? It seems to me the ones who are most scared are the ones who don't want to hear about it. I feel informed, not terrified. Your alternative is for this news not to be presented to us and then you'd still be having a go.
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10/02/2021 16:26:59 4 23
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Who cares what the WHO think? We don't need WHO approval.
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10/02/2021 16:31:53 5 2
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The clue is in the name 'World Health Organisation'
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10/02/2021 16:31:58 57 3
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Very happy to have received my first dose of The Oxford.
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10/02/2021 17:00:05 47 2
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I've had first dose of Pfizer for my age group, I know lots of relations and people who have had first jab of Oxford AZ. I know someone with artificial heart valves who had AZ, and another person who has had major transplant surgery who had vaccine. Yes, a few have had some side-effects afterwards but nothing serious, better that than end up in hospital/ICU with covid!
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10/02/2021 17:27:06 0 11
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I hope for you it works I do not think it will but hope.
10/02/2021 20:23:28 0 0
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Like many, I’m keen to get my first jab. Hopefully in the next two months (52).
10/02/2021 21:12:45 0 0
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I thought you weren't supposed to be told which of the vaccines you are getting? Do they truly say this is the Pfizer or the Astra Zeneca when they give it to you?
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so can the BBC now stop going on and on and on and on about the South African varient
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10/02/2021 16:31:58 15 2
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I haven’t read anything in the mail or telegraph or express or the sun about variants at all. Just the bbc /s
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10/02/2021 16:32:08 39 10
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Why worry about the EU! Let them use the expensive Pfizer and Moderna vaccines whilst AZ vaccinate the rest of the world with their affordable alternative.
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10/02/2021 16:53:10 3 17
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Cause mostbou UK goes on holiday to EU, if they are not up to speed, we ain't going anywhere soon, and who is the rest of the world that's jumping for the AZ oh not many but I suppose you can now fill your boots
11/02/2021 00:28:37 0 0
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Indeed, why worry about the EU? They are using the AZ vaccine as well as the others listed. But Brexiteers are desperate for political point scoring to hide the failure that is Brexit itself and they will try to use anything and everything they can muster to deflect blame to the EU regardless if it is their fault or not.

They don't care for the consequences and they are just pathetic.
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10/02/2021 16:26:59 4 23
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Who cares what the WHO think? We don't need WHO approval.
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10/02/2021 16:32:09 2 2
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Looks like your comment is going down a storm lad. Keep it up.
Obviously that's the issue here. You seek approval and a pat in the head. You clearly value and care when you don't get likes.

I posted it i the BBC knowing this is the place where they hail being told "good boy. Have a biscuit".

"Yay!! Who approve our vaccine!!"... but are corrupt as F!
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10/02/2021 16:49:46 1 1
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Maybe you think this is Facebook or Instagram and I should post up a selfie for approval? Maybe some food I cooked to try and prove I'm domesticated and a good catch? How about I try a humble brag?
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BFM
10/02/2021 16:32:24 10 2
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What would they be saying if there was any amount of the Pfizer vaccine available. There has been a fantastic advance in vaccine technology this year and companies should be encouraged to use that technology.
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10/02/2021 16:37:34 12 1
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For most countries Pfizer vaccine is not an option because of price and storage conditions
Their experts (WHO) said it should be used even in countries where variants of coronavirus that make the vaccine less effective are circulating.

Yes, let us use a vaccine that is less effective than it should be.
Insane!

The WHO also says the vaccine can be used in people aged over 65. Except the trials didn't have enough in this category.

The WHO is run by an ex terrorist and sterilizer gates.
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10/02/2021 16:32:25 2 2
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Are you an expert in that field? If not, why do you think you can comment?
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10/02/2021 16:32:38 32 3
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In the end it's up to individual countries to judge the best course of vaccine deployment, but their decisions will come come back to bite them if they're made for political reasons and not science.
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10/02/2021 16:38:55 33 3
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Macron was definitely trying to deflect criticism from the EU's pathetic response to the vaccines roll out indeed the EU leadership has admitted they didn't respond quickly enough
Their experts (WHO) said it should be used even in countries where variants of coronavirus that make the vaccine less effective are circulating.

Yes, let us use a vaccine that is less effective than it should be.
Insane!

The WHO also says the vaccine can be used in people aged over 65. Except the trials didn't have enough in this category.

The WHO is run by an ex terrorist and sterilizer gates.
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10/02/2021 16:32:43 0 2
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Or they know more about vaccines than you do
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10/02/2021 16:32:54 4 10
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Some organisations say the vaccine is not effective , others say it is!! Little wonder "joe public " is losing confidence, we don't know who to believe anymore.
They've never been explicit, but if you boil down what they have said, the truth is clear

AZ has decent efficacy against the original variant: not as high as other vaccines, but plenty to stop the spread when enough people have had it

However it does not stop the SA variant, and maybe others. It just reduces deadly symptoms. That should save many lives, but it is not a vaccine. It is a medicine
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10/02/2021 16:39:41 1 1
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The only person I don't have confidence in is your namesake!
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10/02/2021 16:26:40 37 25
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Yawn - it seems that for many getting to the pub is so so important. Yawn
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10/02/2021 16:32:56 7 3
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It is important to get people living again not just the pubs but life in general. It is important to ensure NHS has capacity but need to move on once we are in that place. It is not about all staying inside. Imagine you are 85 and have precious years left.
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jo
10/02/2021 16:32:56 15 3
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If SA do not want the vaccine there are plenty of other African countries who do want it. They should be generous and give it to them for free.
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Rob
10/02/2021 16:27:57 67 14
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at last some clarity to silence the doomsters and jealous governments.
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10/02/2021 16:32:58 18 3
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It won't though.
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10/02/2021 16:29:46 262 16
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Too many people jumped to conclusions with the AZ vaccine before all the data was in.

Now the full data is available and there has been sufficient time to evaluate it the AZ vaccine has proven to be effective even against the SA strain.

This is a relief to much of the world that is relying on the AZ vaccine.
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10/02/2021 16:32:59 79 226
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the AZ vaccine has NOT been proven to be effective even against the SA strain, this is patent nonsense as there has been no time whatsoever to evaluate data to make that claim.
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10/02/2021 16:44:52 18 8
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...so the other vaccines have been proved effective against the new strains???

Thought not
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10/02/2021 16:45:46 9 15
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belief over science
isnt just reserved for deniers
flag waving lemmings also are strongly adverse to study details
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10/02/2021 16:48:14 7 6
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So you think it has no effect on the SA strain I assume, the data is saying otherwise.
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10/02/2021 16:49:34 4 31
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who cares, lets just pretend it does. Even without a vaccine anyone under 65 has a 0.0001% chance of dying and I bet most of them play the lottery knowing they will never win. The vaccine will make little difference anyway. All it does is offer the govt a way out of the S... show they have made of this.
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10/02/2021 16:48:26 20 9
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I would bet that you go on marches with Piers Corbyn and David Icke.
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10/02/2021 16:52:29 10 5
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You seem better informed than WHO !!!
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10/02/2021 17:17:02 7 10
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Great how many Alt-Right Bozo fans have voted you down for telling the truth.

Maybe there's a government building they can storm over it.
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10/02/2021 17:24:06 3 5
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Absolutely! More jingoistic nonsense rather than science. The trials of this vaccine have been eye-opening, to say the least.
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10/02/2021 17:56:08 6 2
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Its pretty unlikely not to work against the South African strain because the Johnson and Johnson vaccine prevented serious illness and was using a similar adenovirus vector with the same spike. All of the vaccines show lower efficacy against that variant, but are likely to stop serious illness. Even the university in South Africa who did the recent small study said this.
10/02/2021 20:12:02 1 1
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Do you KNOW this? Do you have data to back up this remark? Do you have degrees in relevant varied subjects in numbers to match those of scientists at WHO. I would guess the answer to all those is 'No'. It is clear that it is you is talking patent nonsense. So stop spreading lies due to political bias without facts - it only demonstrates that those of your persuasion aren't interested in truth
10/02/2021 20:17:32 1 0
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As Van Tam said
(Paraphrasing)

After 13 million jabs administered to date nobody has reported growing a second set of testicles or a third breast yet

Good indicator all is well
10/02/2021 20:20:56 1 1
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Odd then how quickly they mananged to clear Pfizer's vaccine from killing the Norwegians - though it was 'almost impossible' guess what? The EU, Norway and Pfizer managed the impossible. Mind you the EU managed the impossible by starting a vaccine war, driving a coach and horses through the GFA, stirring up the troubles, claiming 'it was an accident' then taking 2 weeks to apologise.
11/02/2021 01:00:56 0 1
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If there's been "no time whatsoever to evaluate data to make that claim" then why did the BBC spend three days highlighting an equally actually LESS) supported claim it's NOT effective?

Oh, I get it: hypocrisy is OK so long as it promotes the anti Tory agenda beloved of the BBC.
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10/02/2021 16:26:40 37 25
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Yawn - it seems that for many getting to the pub is so so important. Yawn
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10/02/2021 16:33:01 4 3
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It is if it's you're business or job.
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10/02/2021 16:33:15 3 1
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How convenient..... It's certainly better than nothing.
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10/02/2021 16:29:45 394 58
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Totally vindicates the governments approach and how well they have done with the vaccine roll out . They have made mistakes like most governments have made right across the world. It is very easy to criticise when you are not having to make life and death situations with constantly moving goal posts. The EU/German smear campaign has been a disgrace and have acted very badly with article 16.
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10/02/2021 16:33:16 133 321
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The government have dealt with this terribly for 10 of the last 12 months.
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10/02/2021 16:51:30 18 4
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We must move on and learn but we are winning now against this awful illness so let’s thank all concerned including our government who have invested more money than any other country in vaccine research and manufacture.
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10/02/2021 16:55:41 39 9
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Nope. A minority of the British public has dealt with this terribly. Our govt has put in place similar rules/guidance as every other country. EVERYONE knows how to avoid catching Covid at this point. Yet still people are being fined left right and centre for house parties, raves, driving around the country aimlessly. It is the dumb mentality of people like this that has caused higher rates/deaths
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10/02/2021 17:12:18 6 8
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Must support this as failing to control the borders, neglect of nursing homes, mucking up track and trace, and entering lock down too slowly 3 times, has literally cost tens of thousands of lives. Look at the numbers --they don't lie.
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10/02/2021 17:17:26 4 5
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Which 2 months do you think they got right? I’m just interested in your opinion and reasoning.
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10/02/2021 17:59:02 1 5
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measured against what?
10/02/2021 18:22:18 4 2
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They're not alone nobody in Europe has excelled even Germany have had 000's of deaths this time round
10/02/2021 18:32:12 1 5
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No they have not,they have done a good j on throughout.
10/02/2021 18:44:19 3 5
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Given the number of downvotes you've got, either we've all been imagining Johnson's incompetence throughout 2020 or the barmy, truth denying, AltRight are out in force tonight!
As Donald would have said, "Sad!"
10/02/2021 20:15:40 1 2
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Like all Governments around Europe, though nowhere near as badly as Belgium, home to the EU has. What is it about the EU that it is the kiss of death to everything it touches?
10/02/2021 20:44:32 4 1
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And the EU have dealt with it terribly for 12 of the last 12 months. Here in Spain, out government was told that they couldn't order vaccines when they wanted to, but had to wait for Brussels to do so on our behalf. What a disaster that turned into.
10/02/2021 21:47:33 2 4
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True, but the memory span of the devout Tory doesn't last that long. They will still blame anybody but themselves. It was only yesterday that they finally bothered to impose serious fines and long jail terms for quarantine breakers...

The lassez-faire attitude this government shows doesn't work when handling a crisis like this pandemic.

Unbelievable...
10/02/2021 21:54:50 2 1
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No one would had done any better as they would have had the same advisors , and seeing the advisors can’t agree. How do you think any one in the world could had done better
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10/02/2021 16:26:03 387 113
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Britain leading the way. Where would we have been if still in the EU?
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Pam
10/02/2021 16:33:18 38 15
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Without trade barriers and tarrifs
AZ reduces deadly symptoms in variants

But that means it does not stop people catching them

The SA variant is now all over this island

AZ cannot stop it spreading

Thank God it will save many lives

But to get out of lockdown we will need to start again with a vaccine that works
Removed
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10/02/2021 16:38:10 0 2
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Absolute rubbish, lockdown can start once the vulnerable have been vaccinated.

80% of the hospitalisations and 90% of the deaths come from the over 80's.

How long do you think a lockdown will be tolerated by people.
This country needs to get back to normal.
AZ vaccine protects against the SA variant as it reduces the symptoms to mild or moderate, are you saying no one is allowed to get ill!!
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10/02/2021 16:38:30 0 1
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Currently, there is no evidence to say SA variant is all over this island. Why do you say things that are patently untrue?
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10/02/2021 16:33:29 7 12
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I can't wait to hear what load of old guff Bunter is going to come out with....
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10/02/2021 16:33:31 14 3
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All those UK approved said 100% protection against the serious impact of C19 on the body. Hence, need to stop measuring success as a number count on those infected but instead base it on Hospital cases/deaths as we will all catch this one day; even if vaccines halt it within yourself you still caught it. In a flu epidemic - we count in deaths
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10/02/2021 16:37:17 14 1
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Correct, as long as it's effective at preventing serious illness/ death, it is good news. Tweaks will no doubt come for boosters later.
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Bob
10/02/2021 16:33:36 38 5
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Oh dear, oh dear.

Backing it for the variants AND saying the gap makes it more effective.

What are all those arm chair expert commenters who tried to cite the WHO for reasons for NOT doing it going to do now.
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10/02/2021 17:17:23 4 19
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There's been data to show the effectiveness of the gap, that's no longer a matter of opinion. There isn't data to show the vaccine is effective against all variants and frankly it's only a matter of time until the virus evolves past our current vaccines. I think so far we have been lucky, if you call 100,000 dead lucky.
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10/02/2021 16:28:10 0 2
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No, I came first.
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10/02/2021 16:33:46 0 1
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No you will find it was me....
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10/02/2021 16:30:17 10 39
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63% effective. It isn’t really very good then. But it is British.
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10/02/2021 16:33:52 0 3
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A British vaccine for British mutants.