Heads warn against 'grinding out hours' in summer catch up
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School leaders say catch up plans should not be "gimmicks" or create long hours for tired children.
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By "gimmick" does he mean anything that involves teachers working overtime?
You’re not a teacher then. Go and do some teaching for a few years then pop back and share how it was.
It sure does...... nothing has changed over the dcades. Any genuine and constructive proposal to increase educational standards is opposed by almost all the teacher/headteacher unions. Many schools are failing to offer education to their pupils who are "home schooling"..... time for a crackdown; teachers not teaching, either in school or at home = lose pay.
Do you mean working more overtime (unpaid) than they already did before the pandemic struck, or more overtime (unpaid) than they already do preparing 3 lessons (homeschooled with broadband, homeschooled worksheets for those without broadband) and for those in school as children of essential workers or disadvantaged) for the same topics?
First of all overtime has to be paid and is voluntary, teachers aren't lazy they work a lot harder and are under more pressure than you think. People on here have no idea how education is run and all schools and trusts are run differently. Some schools dont even have the old type of assemblys anymore and everything is run around grades so PE is often once a week lifetime skills are non existant.
Kids need to be back at school and allowed to do kids organised sport. The damage of this nightmare is going to be life long for kids
Very true, I am grateful my kids are both pre-school age and still able to attend their current settings. Friends and family with older kids are saying how damaging this has been for them.
Organised sport ? Utterly irrelevant in a pandemic.
Education is 1,000,000% more important.
Education is 1,000,000% more important.
But don't you know it's selfish for parents/children to worry about their welfare when instead all 68 million people in the country should be worrying about MY welfare and ruining their lives if I say so.
We should all be more caring and altruistic, which of course means ignoring the concerns of anyone below the age of 50
We should all be more caring and altruistic, which of course means ignoring the concerns of anyone below the age of 50
Yes please - Sport ASAP!! - Having watched a kid go from 3 or 4 sessions a week (Rugby/Football training and matches) to zero for 3 months is pretty soul destroying, especially when winter sports are more his area/passion. I know 'how lucky' they really are before all the 'live in shoe when I was young' brigade start carping on..it has in my view done more damage than academic home schooling
It is many decades since I was at school, but one thing I hated more than anything else was "organised sport." I do wish people would get it into their heads that sport is NOT important, vital or anything else and for millions of us it's boring and irrelevant. I wish the sporty types would stop trying to force their hobby onto the rest of us.
Some kids hate school sport. Some prefer academic subjects and will have been working hard during this lockdown. Why should they be forced back to school In the summer to take part in something they hate because some kids can’t be bothered with online learning.
The teaching unions have been a disgrace during the pandemic.
100 % correct. complete disgrace.
They sure have. The Unions don't care about children, or society at large. They care about one thing: subs.
Yes. How dare they try and ensure a safe environment for staff and pupils? It's a disgrace I tell you. A total disgrace.
I have to agree. It was absolutely shocking before Christmas that the unions pointed out that it would not be safe to open schools in the New Year and wanted the government to plan for what was obvious to anyone with more than a few brain cells to rub together.
I bet you wouldn't have the balls to do a teaching job, you miserable old troll.
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true... and you need not add "during the pandemic"... it has been true for decades.
Those who can, teach.
Those who can't, are miserable bitter trolls on HYS.
Those who can't, are miserable bitter trolls on HYS.
That's your opinion Shupi but not the point. How many kids are going to want to be schooled in their summer holiday and who is going to do the teaching?
No they haven't.
Just like any shallow-thinking righty, you hate the fact that working people can organise themselves into a group and stand up for their, and in this case, our children's interests.
Just like any shallow-thinking righty, you hate the fact that working people can organise themselves into a group and stand up for their, and in this case, our children's interests.
Unions exist primarily to protect the interests of their members which in this case is teachers. Given that 600 adults working in schools have died during this pandemic (until end of December - ONS statistics) compared to 880 in H&SC, it's just a shame they weren't listened to in September and December. Had they been, some of the 70,000 who've died in the second wave would be alive.
What is disgraceful? Please answer using direct quotations from union delgates/policies and not tabloid soundbites. They have consistently been advocates for students/staff safety in the light of Govt blunder after blunder, the last- minute January closures being the latest case in point.
Unions are wrong for wanting schools to be safe? You clearly don’t work in a school. You are quite welcome to come and work in one of our stuffy, overcrowded classrooms in my school. And no you can’t social distance or wear PPE. Then tell me that unions were wrong when they said schools aren’t safe.
The main school holidays are too long anyway.
someone needs to tell the 2.5 million who have rearranged last years holidays to this year that they may not be going again this year.
Surely, most thinking people already knew that there was no guarantee.
I and my cousin's family were planning a trip to the US last summer, which we obviously cancelled. But we realised it was pointless booking again for 2021 as the chances of being allowed to go were slim anyway.
I and my cousin's family were planning a trip to the US last summer, which we obviously cancelled. But we realised it was pointless booking again for 2021 as the chances of being allowed to go were slim anyway.
As teachers are not paid for their holidays, and some will finish their contract in July, I doubt there will be a rush to do more
The way this virus is mutating I wouldn't get too giddy about holidays this year.
It aint over yet!
It aint over yet!
Attempting to change the working hours and management of schools will not work. Staff have commitments and routine planned maintenance needs to be undertaken.
Go out and get a job in the real world and than complain about how hard teaching is
With all respect, it feels like I've been teaching my kids alone. Wife is a care worker. Each day I receive a lesson plan & am expected to teach it. 6hrs in total. Feedback/help is minimal-school says they're too busy. Teachers at our school are compiling work, but not actually teaching it or offering support. I'm also doing this while trying to run a business from home myself. It's hard.
The implication that we don't 'understand' teaching is laughable.
We have all been to school and witnessed first hand what a thin skinned, easily triggered bunch of layabouts so many of them are.
My wife's a teacher, I've been a teacher as well as I'm with JGC 100%.
We have all been to school and witnessed first hand what a thin skinned, easily triggered bunch of layabouts so many of them are.
My wife's a teacher, I've been a teacher as well as I'm with JGC 100%.
"Left behind white pupils"
Ethnic minority parents make their children work hard at school, they take an interest, they know their children need to work harder in life to achieve success.
Ethnic minority parents make their children work hard at school, they take an interest, they know their children need to work harder in life to achieve success.
Are you suggesting white people don't....because that would be racist wouldn't it
That's a sweeping statement and offensive in undertone. You cannot speak for all ethnic groups just as I cannot either. "Making" your child work hard is not always a recipe for success, it can create impossible standards for them to attain. There's a difference between demanding things and encouraging/ supporting them, especially during an already stressful time.
It sure does...... nothing has changed over the dcades. Any genuine and constructive proposal to increase educational standards is opposed by almost all the teacher/headteacher unions. Many schools are failing to offer education to their pupils who are "home schooling"..... time for a crackdown; teachers not teaching, either in school or at home = lose pay.
Teaching unions as you say are the problem as are Parents who know their children are not doing the work. My Grand Daughter is 8 years old & lives in the Phillippines she is like all the children there doing online learning no moaning they just get on with it its a lesson to Teachers here. The Teachers money there is a fraction for a year that UK teachers get for a year.
Most children have been learning and doing their work throughout this whole fiasco and those children will do well in life in spite of this.
The ones that have been absent and have done no work should have their parents reprimanded as they will be tomorrow’s drain on the economy.
The ones that have been absent and have done no work should have their parents reprimanded as they will be tomorrow’s drain on the economy.
Yes Correction Centres for any one who does not achieve 5 GCSE
If only it was that easy. Its not always the parents. You try getting 3 children different age groups working.
Yes - we should be reprimanded for working full time jobs which need extra hours because of Covid and Brexit, hauled over the coals for not spending 6 hrs day sat with our 3 kids working through their worksheets because 20 minutes a day of live lessons is deemed sufficient. Teachers however, should be celebrated for providing those 20 minutes whilst their kids are at school with key worker status!
But not all schools are doing proper on;ine work, som only offer an hour a day whilst others do a full day.
You conveniently forget to mention the kids who have had 20 minutes a day and there are so so many, deny the facts all you like not all parents fault a pòr mix I would suggest
That seems a bit harsh, what we need is compassion and understanding
Personally I felt the Summer holiday is too long and a relic of the summer harvest where children would help bring in the crop.
Having said that I have sympathy for teachers (my brother being one) who have already been saddled with more responsibilities without proper support and have no doubt these schemes would mostly be the same. Have to balance the profession and long term teaching as well.
Having said that I have sympathy for teachers (my brother being one) who have already been saddled with more responsibilities without proper support and have no doubt these schemes would mostly be the same. Have to balance the profession and long term teaching as well.
It's not a relic of summer harvest. The peak of UK harvest time is September, AFTER the school summer holidays (although silage may be gathered in August). Also, most countries have 6-10 weeks of summer holidays in the peak of summer, including countries where there'd be no harvest at all.
I agree about (some!) teachers not being given support.
I agree about (some!) teachers not being given support.
Schools open and stay open through summer, two week break in September for hols and then back to school until Christmas !
Problem is who does the summer teaching? The teachers need a break too. My kids teachers are going above and beyond to provide content for online learning and looking after the kids mental health. They are also juggling the kids in schools and their own lives. When do they get to spend time with their families or unwind after juggling everything? We can't just double the number of teachers!
Brace yourselves - the teacher bashers are coming
Yep - the easy target as always. yet oddly throughout lockdown it's the teachers that are up there with NHS workers when it comes to putting in the work and the hours.
Good job too; time that the myths about education be refuted once and for all.
The school children need to catch up as much as possible. The schools need to be providing teaching on longer days, on Saturdays and 4 weeks in the summer. A 2 week holiday in the summer would be plenty. The virus is less prevalent when people are outside more. Teachers would be paid, Sunak could do something.
You really think that Teachers would get paid more for this. You're dreaming.
Also, if your saying longer days AND a 6 day working week, when do you propose Teachers are marking work, preparing lessons etc
AND when are you proposing they have a life outside or work?
How many people do you really think are going to want to work 6 days a week 8-5
If people wont work these hours then no teachers
Also, if your saying longer days AND a 6 day working week, when do you propose Teachers are marking work, preparing lessons etc
AND when are you proposing they have a life outside or work?
How many people do you really think are going to want to work 6 days a week 8-5
If people wont work these hours then no teachers
And would you go to work on a Saturday for free?
Give up your contractural holiday for free?
or work into the evening for free?
Give up your contractural holiday for free?
or work into the evening for free?
The holidays and weekends are the only time I get to spend time with my daughter as regularly work 60+ hours per week as a teacher. I refuse to put my relationship with my daughter on the back-burner for the children of others. Parents should have, and could have cared for their own during lockdown, but many elected not to...I will not be responsible for their laziness. End of story.
Have you got children? So you are saying a 7 year old should have longer days at school, like 8am to 5pm and go in on a Saturday. Have Sunday as a rest day. Have a four week summer holiday. That child will have no life and probably have mental health problems a year later.
Do you do this as an adult? Well, if you do then you have to get a life
Do you do this as an adult? Well, if you do then you have to get a life
Who to believe: teachers who have dedicated their lives to the profession, or politicians who pretend to cry on tv
politicians!
The teaching union created the 2 tier education system. I despise any members of this; they take from the cohorts excluded from school to give to those pupils allowed in.
Problem is that there are too many teachers in the job for the money and what they see as short working hours! Yes there are still teachers in the job because that's what they want to do! Unfortunately the unions seem to represent the former!
Dedicated their life to the profession- sadly for most those days are a distant memory so many kids leave school today that can barely read and write according to published statistics
The same politicians who caused more damage to children's development by closing down Sure Start centres than the virus could possibly manage.
What about all the other teachers who aren't dedicated and are in it for the money? (Don't laugh. They're essentially unemployable, certainly for more than minimum wage, in any other field. For the rubbish ones it pays much, much better than any other job they could get.)
If Geoff Barton wants to rule out making children sit through more hours or having shorter holidays, just how does he propose catch up takes place?
Make the teacher speak twice as fast? It simply cannot be done without one of those two.
Make the teacher speak twice as fast? It simply cannot be done without one of those two.
Well if kids have been doing home schooling how much catching up needs to be done? Not a lot I would hope.
Because of course the children will be able to retain more while tired. They won't already be suffering the mental effects of disruption and the pandemic, so making them stay longer without breaks will mean they catch up perfectly.
More worried about their summer hols more like it!
Remember that teachers claim to work all through the holidays anyway so they shouldn't mind.
I always wondered why they didn't choose to strike during the holidays either (seeing as they claim to be so busy)!
Remember that teachers claim to work all through the holidays anyway so they shouldn't mind.
I always wondered why they didn't choose to strike during the holidays either (seeing as they claim to be so busy)!
Not all teachers work all through the holidays - nor do they claim to! Preparing for a new school year, or catching up on record keeping is work that teachers do during school breaks (and at night) at times when they're not paid! They don't get paid holidays, unlike some workers.
And why shouldn't teachers complain about loosing their Summer Holiday? They have been working through all of the lock downs to date. Why shouldn't they have the time off in their contracts?
We are not paid for the summer holidays, any work undertaken then is unpaid...try getting your facts straight before spouting your teacher hating rubbish.
What complete and utter garbage from someone who has probably never seen the inside of a school. My wife is a teacher, pre-pandemic at school for 07:15 each morning and home for around 18:15, she then sits at the dinner table and marks, prepares lessons etc. until 22:00. On a weekend she'll do at least 6 hrs a day. Presently, she works the same hours at home as well as the weekend
My son (12) has worked hard throughout lockdown, he's coped with all sorts of issues and kept smiling. His teachers have been brilliant.
But he's tired & stressed and will NOT be doing extra hours.
Children need a calm return to normality.
But he's tired & stressed and will NOT be doing extra hours.
Children need a calm return to normality.
And what about the 1 in 10 who had ZERO, yes ZERO interaction with their teaching during wave 1?
I couldn't agree more. The kids and the teachers are already putting in the hours - they really don't need more.
Stressed? Come back to school pre smartphone, go though tatty textbook lessons being forced to learn really old stuff and write shedloads on it. Then no smartphones or WhatsApp to look forward to or escape weeknights or weekends.
I totally agree with you. Well said!
Has he worked the usual 6 hours every weekday including home work that is worked in a normal year if so then he will need a break if not then the school holidays need to be shorter during covid
Same for my son of 7 years. All credit to the children themselves.
He is 12 years old and is tired and stressed? Get real!!!!!
Then no doubt you'll be whining again when he can't get a job.
Kathy, I think your son's aquired his dedication directly from your nuturing; his teachers will be proud of you both.
Going to school doesn't have to be stressful. Especially if your friends are there and you haven't seen them (physically) in ages.
If anything, a return to school could be a return to structured normality for them.
If anything, a return to school could be a return to structured normality for them.
I think that is absolutely right. I think there are a lot of people who imagine what it’s like to have children and impose that poor vision on solutions. The kids who are trying very hard in most cases are knackered and don’t need a bunch of self serving knuckle heads deciding to act as irresponsible proxy parents for as long as it takes to fire off a short comment.
Kathy, my son is 9 and his current school (he changed in September) have been excellent providing online tuition and he has coped very well and received good feedback each day. I would prefer he did not attend additional classes in the summer, for the reasons you stated, but I would not be totally against it. Agree they need a break but maybe not the full 6 weeks, just a thought
Your child is possibly 4 years away from real life in the world of work where he will get the shock of his life if you don't prepare him for it now. Extra hours for his own benefit should be welcomed not refused.
Great attitude for the world of work...
Do you mean working more overtime (unpaid) than they already did before the pandemic struck, or more overtime (unpaid) than they already do preparing 3 lessons (homeschooled with broadband, homeschooled worksheets for those without broadband) and for those in school as children of essential workers or disadvantaged) for the same topics?
"Left behind white pupils"
Ethnic minority parents make their children work hard at school, they take an interest, they know their children need to work harder in life to achieve success.
Ethnic minority parents make their children work hard at school, they take an interest, they know their children need to work harder in life to achieve success.
Most children have been learning and doing their work throughout this whole fiasco and those children will do well in life in spite of this.
The ones that have been absent and have done no work should have their parents reprimanded as they will be tomorrow’s drain on the economy.
The ones that have been absent and have done no work should have their parents reprimanded as they will be tomorrow’s drain on the economy.
Sensible comment from headteacher asking for a proper policy over populist slogans and winged strategy.
So no doubt the shills are out in force moaning about lazy teachers?
So no doubt the shills are out in force moaning about lazy teachers?
Ah so people you don't agree with are shills, whether they have evidence or not? Typical lefty comment!
Most head teachers are failed businessmen and wannabe politicians.
They often cause the animosity aimed at teachers and offer little support to their staff as they're busy in meetings. Google how various TKAT heads have been caught out fiddling the books whilst their staff turnover is massive.
They often cause the animosity aimed at teachers and offer little support to their staff as they're busy in meetings. Google how various TKAT heads have been caught out fiddling the books whilst their staff turnover is massive.
A sensible comment that makes no sense, you mean.
He agrees that catch up needs to happen but all he has to offer is a list of things that can't happen. You can't do longer hours and you can't recall pupils during holiday periods.
What does he propose then?
He agrees that catch up needs to happen but all he has to offer is a list of things that can't happen. You can't do longer hours and you can't recall pupils during holiday periods.
What does he propose then?
Brace yourselves - the teacher bashers are coming
Really? All I heard and have seen with my own eyes including a relative who is a teacher they most certainly are not anywhere near in the same bracket as the NHS workers!! Not even close!! All I’ve seen and heard is nothing but moaning, and moaning.
And other key workers they just dont keep banging on about it!
Ha Ha. I love it. Putting teachers in the same category as NHS workers when it comes to hard work and hours. Priceless. I just thank god the nursing unions haven't carried on the same way as the teaching unions throughout all of this. Time to roll your sleeves up teachers and do what it takes to get the kids back on track. Parents have been doing the teaching for the past 12 months. Your turn.
Delusional for I know a number who have done little, to say they are up there with NHS is in my opinion offensive
I have a number of front line workers where I live in London , both teachers and NHS staff, and they are all working their socks off
With the greatest will in the world, you cannot possibly compare Teachers to NHS workers. Yes they’ve worked hard and adapted to change to try and keep children educated. But there really is absolutely no comparison to Frontline NHS workers. Please, get a grip !
Rubbish. Teachers don’t work the hours that NHS frontline staff do. I know - with 2 close relatives on the NHS frontline and another a primary school teacher.
Simply drop something from the curriculum and go over the stuff we are doing now. My child is seven; does he really need to be learning French? Does he really need to be learning how to express his feelings and to be nice to people (!)? Stopping those for two months is not going to damage his career prospects.
Best time to learn French, or any foreign language. Before the language connections in the brain become "hard wired".
Wish I'd been able to start that young.
Wish I'd been able to start that young.
It would, if he wanted to be a French speaking social worker, is that a career choice that has been offered ?
your lucky my wifes school is mathes english and science all day every day with a bit of history and geography. PE once a week
"Does he really need to be learning how to express his feelings and to be nice to people"
You mean you haven't taught your child basic social interaction skills ?????
You mean you haven't taught your child basic social interaction skills ?????
Bit sad that you don't think your child needs to be able to learn how to express his feelings. As someone who works in mental health, I think most people need to learn how to do this. Evidence suggests the younger we start, the better.
And as someone else has pointed out, learning a language at a young age is a lot easier.
And as someone else has pointed out, learning a language at a young age is a lot easier.
As a bilingual parent of bilingual kids I would say, yes, because it opens a whole world up to them. The younger you learn another language, the easier it is, and you never know how they might want to use it. They could work anywhere in the world! As for emotional expression and social etiquette, we're never too young to learn these and they integrate very well with all subjects.
Easily drop R.E. If they are behind. Why do they need to learn about magical sky wizards in the 21st Century. Religion has no place in schools
Gets worse at secondary - Loose a PE lesson a week to 'Dance' - which as you can imagine has 'fart in space suit' popularity with near 100% of the kids, running 'textiles' a close second. Luckily my year 9 son gets to finally make his choices this year so can focus on valuable/required subjects for the modern world!!
For many (primary) children it is the 'soft' subjects like art, or PE, or History, that make school enjoyable. If the breadth of the curriculum were stripped away leaving just wall-to-wall English, phonics and Maths their love of learning would be damaged.
French yes, it improves grammar.
RE and science at primary, no.
Primary should be the 3 Rs, if you can read, write and do arithmetic you can access chemistry, physics, history, biology, geography etc. with ease at secondary school.
Worst thing as a science teacher was spending 3 years undoing p*ss poor primary science - 'heat rises' and 'light things float' bang goes radiation and displacement!
RE and science at primary, no.
Primary should be the 3 Rs, if you can read, write and do arithmetic you can access chemistry, physics, history, biology, geography etc. with ease at secondary school.
Worst thing as a science teacher was spending 3 years undoing p*ss poor primary science - 'heat rises' and 'light things float' bang goes radiation and displacement!
They start teaching English from the age of 6 in Germany. That’s why most Germans can speak English fluently. Speaking a foreign language is a valuable skill. The younger they start the better. Surely you should be teaching your son to be nice to people, not school.
Someone needs to teach them how to be nice because parents certainly aren't. School isn't just about career prospects. Schools now do the job parents should be doing too.
Does he really need to be learning how to express his feelings and to be nice to people (!)?
Well let’s hope he learns it at school because he won’t be learning it at home.
You are just a being. There is no human in you at all.
A school’s curriculum is actually EVERYTHING that happens the minute they enter the building.
Your are an animal with no humanity whatsoever.
Well let’s hope he learns it at school because he won’t be learning it at home.
You are just a being. There is no human in you at all.
A school’s curriculum is actually EVERYTHING that happens the minute they enter the building.
Your are an animal with no humanity whatsoever.
Flook no one asked about Unions. We asked teachers or politicians. Who should we trust to have the best knowledge of what is and isn't a good idea for children?
Should we trust the people who have spent their lives training and working with kids
Or the people who have spent their lives in different sectors entirely?
Should we trust the people who have spent their lives training and working with kids
Or the people who have spent their lives in different sectors entirely?
I think we all know you. You were the kid who had to be sat at the front of the class in front of teacher because you wouldn't behave. You were the kid who wanted to shout out naughty words. You were the kid who thought anything you didn't understand was stupid. You are the kid who is now working for the people you used to antagonise. You are the one would wouldn't survive 2 mins as a teacher.
"Not the teachers left wing unions, that's for sure"
Hmmm. Missing an apostrophe, a hyphen and an exclamation mark. It's hard to sound authoritative when the participation in learning was clearly so absent. Removed
Hmmm. Missing an apostrophe, a hyphen and an exclamation mark. It's hard to sound authoritative when the participation in learning was clearly so absent. Removed
Despite your anti-everything agenda, once again, you're completely wrong.
"Mr Barton, leader of the ASCL head teachers' union, also cast doubt on whether penalty fines would really be imposed on parents for not sending their children to classes in the summer holidays, should they be made compulsory."
Do you think fining the parents will help their kids be able to study, and learn, effectively?
"Mr Barton, leader of the ASCL head teachers' union, also cast doubt on whether penalty fines would really be imposed on parents for not sending their children to classes in the summer holidays, should they be made compulsory."
Do you think fining the parents will help their kids be able to study, and learn, effectively?
This is the Head Teachers union - hardly left-wing. But don't let the truth cloud your judgement.
Although busy filling in my Communist Pary application form, I've still got time to point out that should be " teachers' ". My class of 7-year olds would have known that.
Whoever told you Teacher's Unions were left wing is ill informed. Teacher's Unions work for the wellbeing of pupils and teachers and not affiliated political parties. They are run by people who have been part of the profession know what it is like to work with young people, unlike most politicians and many of the DfE and Ofsted who make the rules about what goes on in school.
Done. Don’t assume every teacher has been in teaching all their life. Oh, and I don’t believe I was complaining. The point of the article is gimmicks are essentially a waste of time and money. Putting proper plans that are properly funded and based on real evidence in place is far more effective.
I have. Teaching is still the hardest job I have ever done.
Go out and get a job in the teaching and then complain about how the real world is.
Having worked in both sectors, teaching will whip anyone who thinks "the real world" is harder into shape.
Having worked in both sectors, teaching will whip anyone who thinks "the real world" is harder into shape.
Whilst the schools have been closed every single teacher should have been going into schools as normal, holding as many online classes as they can, sharing best practice with each other on home to do this and plenty of teacher training. I know some parents that have had some good online classes and support from their schools and some that have had zero, absolutely nothing.
I don't know a school that hasn't been open - and some with 50% of the kids attending. And the teachers are ALSO providing online lessons. The schools around me could not have done more.
Schools in my area have stopped online learning due to the weather. How on earth does the weather stop a teacher from teaching online...….go figure!
What time did you start work this morning? What time will you finish tonight?
I'd wager that the hours you work are far shorter than any teacher.
I'd wager that the hours you work are far shorter than any teacher.
what people forget is that some teachers have had to isolate some schools were already having financial issues so no spare cash for extra facilities or extra paperwork - a lot of temp teachers were teaching & probably weren't working. academies finance & organisation can differ radically & are independent. We need to know which schools failed, why, & give extra support in classroom, more finance!
the large majority are in school
Many teachers that I know and know of have been working very hard, and conducting online classes with true diligence. It's not always been possible, as here in a very rural and remote community, suitable internet access has only been possible for about 60% of all pupils - either because no internet at all, but also some families have simply not been able to afford the necessary hardware.
blueskies, school's have NEVER been closed. Teachers have been working harder than ever to ensure that they can teach people remotely.
Of cause there will be a disparity in online teaching quality, every single teacher is just now learning how to do this, added to that not all school will have had the IT in place to allow it at 1st.
Of cause there will be a disparity in online teaching quality, every single teacher is just now learning how to do this, added to that not all school will have had the IT in place to allow it at 1st.
Teaching online is exactly what many teachers have been doing! 5 hours a day Monday to Friday plus tutor time. Plus around 3 hours prep and marking a day. I’m fed up of looking at a computer screen! I want to go back to the classroom but it also needs to be safe. No one wants to be spreading COVID.
Some schools are in absolutely dire need of repairs so I think you might be wrong on that.
Also, if clubs and activities are happening doesn't that mean they will need to stop so children will be missing out on even more?
Also, if clubs and activities are happening doesn't that mean they will need to stop so children will be missing out on even more?
When schools close for the summer and everyone is off on their six weeks paid holidays (like hell they are!) support staff and others are busy repairing, repainting and adapting the place. It's the only time the buildings are available for maintenance and repairs.
Beatings shall continue until moral improves!
That's the spirit, quantity over quality, did you get one of Blair's Micky Mouse degrees, business, psychology, maybe media studies?
Don't forget that most of the work on DNA and satellites was done in various pubs around London.
That's the spirit, quantity over quality, did you get one of Blair's Micky Mouse degrees, business, psychology, maybe media studies?
Don't forget that most of the work on DNA and satellites was done in various pubs around London.
Did you have extra hours? Because if you did, they clearly didn't help.
"But he's tired & stressed and will NOT be doing extra hours."
Kathy probably knows her kids and their needs & abilities better than your spiteful nonsense. Do you work a 14 hour day?
Kathy probably knows her kids and their needs & abilities better than your spiteful nonsense. Do you work a 14 hour day?
Perhaps Kathy does not consider quality time with her child to be 'her loss'. Maybe she is a good enough parent that time spent with her child is good for him/her?
I've no doubt that those on this thread you are advocating extending the school year have not had to look after, home educate children or grand children over the last 10 months.
"His and your loss if he won't do extra hours" - - - - why? IYou cannot stuff knowledge into pupils at a fast rate. Pupils NEED down time to PROCESS the knowledge they have.
Read a book on knowledge acquisition and understand how children learn. They DON'T learn faster but working longer hours.
Read a book on knowledge acquisition and understand how children learn. They DON'T learn faster but working longer hours.
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My 9 year old has worked really hard, so have his teachers. In maths he's way ahead of where they normally would be, in science they are ahead but haven't done the same practicals, in french they are a bit behind.
My 12 year old is roughly on target.
My 13 year old has been a train wreak.
Different children respond differently
My 12 year old is roughly on target.
My 13 year old has been a train wreak.
Different children respond differently
And what do you know? No doubt you're one of those who can take their annual leave at any time during the year. Those who work with children cannot - most of us went without any kind of normality last year. We're not prepared to accept that again this year. Your attitude is selfish, patronising and arrogant
The headline should be 'education unions will go against everything suggested by the government'...…………...
No it should be "teachers should not listen to an incompetent government desperately trying any gimmick in the book to look half-competent in the face of the total disaster they have made of COVID handling".
Who do you think knows more about children's education and how best to deliver it? Teachers or politicians/government officials?
"Left behind white pupils"
Ethnic minority parents make their children work hard at school, they take an interest, they know their children need to work harder in life to achieve success.
Ethnic minority parents make their children work hard at school, they take an interest, they know their children need to work harder in life to achieve success.
Teachers are paid for the full 52 weeks of the year. Only teaching assistants are paid pro rata, and therefore not for the holidays, so stop preaching. "Some workers"? That'll be me then, who hasn't had a sick day, "working from home (answering emails in pyjamas)" day or a furlough day at all, since before this even started. I EARN my paid holiday thanks, while I help grease the economic wheels.
Agree they get the same paid amount of holidays as everyone else its just there pay is calculeted over 12 months and they dont get paid for all the extra work they do at weekends planning for the week ahead.
It's quite simple scrap all the totally unnecessary holidays. It's the primary reason parents can't get full time work. And what better way to get children out of poverty than to have their parent (s) working full time.
And teachers can work every weekday for the rest of their lives. What a great way to attract talent to an underpaid and undervalued profession already facing shortages.
From this comment, you clearly perceive education as a handy babysitting service for working parents.
Additionally, you clearly have never worked in a school setting to come out with the ‘unnecessary holidays’ comment, anyone that has would be able to relate to you how ‘grey” both children and staff get with exhaustion after a term. Those holidays are essential. These are children not adults.
Additionally, you clearly have never worked in a school setting to come out with the ‘unnecessary holidays’ comment, anyone that has would be able to relate to you how ‘grey” both children and staff get with exhaustion after a term. Those holidays are essential. These are children not adults.
yeah and then parents will be moaning they cant get time off work to take their kids on holiday as their employer wont allow more than a certain number to take leave. So they take their kids out of school in term time and disrupts their education and when the school staff have to be given extra pay plus extra leave days because it does bet your the first to complain about extra taxes.
It's more than that. More like 30%. My wife has been setting lessons for remote learning throughout (as well as teaching those who are in school) and it's a red letter day if more than 70% of pupils respond to the work she's set them to do remotely.
Oh. Wait. You were having a pop at the teachers, not the parents and pupils. I'm not sure how many of them haven't interacted. Doubt it's 10% though.
Oh. Wait. You were having a pop at the teachers, not the parents and pupils. I'm not sure how many of them haven't interacted. Doubt it's 10% though.
A far simpler solution would be for each child to repeat the school year they have missed. Longer school days would be pointless for younger children, they have a much shorter concentration span.
How exactly is that possible when each year there is a new set of kids coming in? double class sizes in reception?
Schools are not large enough to accomodate an extra year group and there aren't 10% spare teachers to teach them!
Simpler for who?
You increase a secondary school population by 20%: where are you going to put them? Who is going to teach them?
You increase 6th form populations by 50%. Same question.
Primary schools don't have the luxury of empty classrooms like some secondary schools.
You increase a secondary school population by 20%: where are you going to put them? Who is going to teach them?
You increase 6th form populations by 50%. Same question.
Primary schools don't have the luxury of empty classrooms like some secondary schools.
How about those children that have done all the work and kept up? There are many if not far more of these?
Why should they be punished by repeating a year they have already completed? An excellent way to demotivate and turn them against education.
Make it optional for parents and teachers and pupils to decide what’s best for each individual not try and force blanket solutions.
Why should they be punished by repeating a year they have already completed? An excellent way to demotivate and turn them against education.
Make it optional for parents and teachers and pupils to decide what’s best for each individual not try and force blanket solutions.
Actually there are a lot of kids who are not doing the hours because their parents dont care about their education and its the same group that believe schools should teach kids basic hygiene.
School Holidays are 13 weeks a year but teachers only get 6 weeks holiday so shorter school holidays during covid is a perfectly reasonable option
What do they suggest then? I am not hearing any suggestion coming out of the teaching profession.
There is an issue with the public sector in that it has thousands of managers paid more than the Prime Minister yet it still expects to be spoon fed about how to run their service. It's high time that those paid a lot of money to run these services start being accountable for them.
There is an issue with the public sector in that it has thousands of managers paid more than the Prime Minister yet it still expects to be spoon fed about how to run their service. It's high time that those paid a lot of money to run these services start being accountable for them.
Well said. Take the many "Chief Executives" of multi-academy trusts drawing huge salaries for work which local authorities performed more efficiently and at lower cost.
Think you'll find Boris is paid alot more than most people in this country most politicians are their own businesses and still earn £££outside of their actual job
The government fork out for volunteer teachers and tutors to run extra classes outside of school hours and/or during the holidays. Teachers should not be asked to give up their free time and work overtime for free
Working through all of the lockdowns? Are you sure about that?? Not any that I know. Evidence please.
Let Mr Blobby Bojo sort it all out. His privileged education should allow him to produce a world beating system.
Course they do. Means more work for them.
Yes it would and for no good reason. The teachers could not have worked harder over the last 12 months and they don't need this rubbish from the likes of the lazy, incompetent Johnson.
The headline should be 'education unions will go against everything suggested by the government'...…………...
Teachers don't listen to anyone except unions who are as incompetent as the govt!
When I read these comments, I really do wonder why anyone would want to get into teaching.
Well they don’t. Applications are plummeting. Those who decide to train have a huge drop out rate. Those who make it through and teach, are leaving early. Only in Britain is there this contempt for teachers. Education is really important so why don’t we value teachers?
Good pay, long holidays, short working days, unins that will, on their behalf, oppose any changes to raise standards, generous sick pay, (including payments when the teacher is not ill) etc.
Judging by the fact that teachers have done little in the last 12 months and it seems doing little in the future do not think they will have a shortage, their are always members of society happy to do little and get paid for it.
Because they are paid well and have long holidays
Simple in last 10 years only a handful have been sacked, a retired lifelong teacher said once the NUT merged with other teaching unions standards and moral fell through the floor and the extreem left took over all but public schools no wonder Dianne Abbott and many others followed suit.
There are good teachers out there but too many happy with bare minimum and I know a few of them also.
There are good teachers out there but too many happy with bare minimum and I know a few of them also.
A vast majority of teachers haven't the time to read and reply to odious comments for the uneducated
Basically it's the old mantra - those who can, do, and those who can't, teach.
Let’s imagine the teachers are doing what they can remotely and stop beating up on them with talk of falling behind. The whole nation is in the same boat. Work on child poverty which is a govt issue not school’s responsibility - and dare I say it parental?
I heard that when Nelson Mandela was released from prison he came upon a group of child activists and gave them a simple instruction.
"Go to school"
He realised that their education was crucial to the future of the country and more important than activism, however justified that activism was in apartheid SA.
I hope the teachers and their unions make the same realisation and put the kids first.
"Go to school"
He realised that their education was crucial to the future of the country and more important than activism, however justified that activism was in apartheid SA.
I hope the teachers and their unions make the same realisation and put the kids first.
Child poverty is a parent"s responsibility. Get a job, get help from family, don't have the children you can't afford. The govt doesn't force anyone to have children.
Child poverty is not the subject but in response I agree that Parents have the main responsibility for the children’s welfare. The Government are not.
The teaching unions created this 2 tier education system. They win from it, their kids don't lose out.
I've sat in on my son's home schooling. Some of it is good and some of it is bad. So no, not all of the teachers are doing what they can. Or maybe I saw the only three teachers in the UK who just issued files of teachers-notes to 11 year olds and left them to do it themselves without checking up on how it turned out.
"Let’s imagine the teachers are doing what they can remotely"
Why imagine? It should be a given. I have friends who work in primary and secondary schools, and a lot of teachers are working very hard and going beyond what is asked of them in terms of pupils education and welfare, whereas a lot sadly are doing nothing.
Why imagine? It should be a given. I have friends who work in primary and secondary schools, and a lot of teachers are working very hard and going beyond what is asked of them in terms of pupils education and welfare, whereas a lot sadly are doing nothing.
Whilst the schools have been closed every single teacher should have been going into schools as normal, holding as many online classes as they can, sharing best practice with each other on home to do this and plenty of teacher training. I know some parents that have had some good online classes and support from their schools and some that have had zero, absolutely nothing.
Not all schools are providing online lessons. My son has only just started getting in the last 2 weeks a single daily 15 minute video call with his classmates. His teacher isn't at the school either, instead she is working from home, so it's not like she's having to teach an in-school class and remote class at the same time.
A lot of children and their parents have worked hard to access remote learning and follow all lessons / complete as much set work as possible. Should these be forced to spend the summer in school with the children whose parents have not got them out of bed or off the playstation to do the schooling freely available to them? (Setting aside any households with genuine IT issues.)
But when there has been little or no remote learning to access what then? My 3 have had about 20-40 minutes live lessons per day this time round and none at all in the previous lockdown. Your assumption that I've been in bed or on the playstation is frankly offensive - I have a full time job and have worked all hours to try to help the kids but they've still not had the education they should.
What a ridiculous comment. Great if you don't work full time and can teach your kids at home in a distraction-filled environment, however for those from not-great backgrounds and for those with full-time working parents, why not have extra hours as an option?
I agree it shouldn't be mandatory but your elitist comment is generalising abhorrent codswallop.
I agree it shouldn't be mandatory but your elitist comment is generalising abhorrent codswallop.
The parents who have ignored remote learning won’t send their kids to summer school either. It’s a waste of time and money.
Spot on! Children, and adults come to that, need to meet and interact. More hours sitting in front of screens in overcrowded school buildings will solve nothing.
The headline should be 'education unions will go against everything suggested by the government'...…………...
My children are stuck indoors doing their online lessons each weekday. They need a break! I will not be sending my children to school during holidays.
Bless them sounds like it's time to book a couple of weeks away.
That's because you will have to get up and get them there - smaks of really good parenting to me, take a hard look at what hours and work public school educated children get through then moan "my kids didn't get those chances"
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It's been stressful and occasionally chaotic with multiple websites to log into that sometimes just don't work. The teachers, though, are brilliant and deserve high praise! Frankly, to have a break,I want my children to physically attend school. Even they are asking for it.
This home schooling is tokenism at best and no substitute for professional teaching. Burden failing esp. hard on women.
This home schooling is tokenism at best and no substitute for professional teaching. Burden failing esp. hard on women.
You fail to say how much teaching they are getting are you sure it is not you who dont wish to bother rather than take the opportunity to further enhance your children's education
Absolutely agree. As a parent and governor extending the already long summer term will achieve nothing. Kids are tired by then, teachers are tired by then and not to mention all the school maintenance and prep for the next year that starts.
The DFE have been more pants at handling schools than spongebob squarepants wearing two sets of pants while panting after his socially distanced jog.
The DFE have been more pants at handling schools than spongebob squarepants wearing two sets of pants while panting after his socially distanced jog.
Even prisoners are allowed outside once a day...why are they "stuck" indoors?
Spot on!
Sensible comment from headteacher asking for a proper policy over populist slogans and winged strategy.
So no doubt the shills are out in force moaning about lazy teachers?
So no doubt the shills are out in force moaning about lazy teachers?
What is a shill? A lover of shillings? Someone on £sd? A misspelling of a shrill-voiced Trumpster type?
No, the people that are shills, and cannot possbily have any evidence for their lies, are rightly called out as shills. Your false logic doesn't work, and you are demonstrating , yet again, all that the shills demonstrate. Are you one?
Typical shill response.
First of all overtime has to be paid and is voluntary, teachers aren't lazy they work a lot harder and are under more pressure than you think. People on here have no idea how education is run and all schools and trusts are run differently. Some schools dont even have the old type of assemblys anymore and everything is run around grades so PE is often once a week lifetime skills are non existant.
A far simpler solution would be for each child to repeat the school year they have missed. Longer school days would be pointless for younger children, they have a much shorter concentration span.
Easily.
Put the starting age back to 5. Allow the children to learn to play (and a few life/social skills) before trying to bombard them with formal teaching.
Lowering the starting age has not improved the attainment level of children.
Other countries have school starting ages of 6 or 7 and yet their children end up ahead of ours by senior school.
Put the starting age back to 5. Allow the children to learn to play (and a few life/social skills) before trying to bombard them with formal teaching.
Lowering the starting age has not improved the attainment level of children.
Other countries have school starting ages of 6 or 7 and yet their children end up ahead of ours by senior school.
Simply drop something from the curriculum and go over the stuff we are doing now. My child is seven; does he really need to be learning French? Does he really need to be learning how to express his feelings and to be nice to people (!)? Stopping those for two months is not going to damage his career prospects.
"Left behind white pupils"
Ethnic minority parents make their children work hard at school, they take an interest, they know their children need to work harder in life to achieve success.
Ethnic minority parents make their children work hard at school, they take an interest, they know their children need to work harder in life to achieve success.
That's a sweeping statement and offensive in undertone. You cannot speak for all ethnic groups just as I cannot either. "Making" your child work hard is not always a recipe for success, it can create impossible standards for them to attain. There's a difference between demanding things and encouraging/ supporting them, especially during an already stressful time.
Whilst the schools have been closed every single teacher should have been going into schools as normal, holding as many online classes as they can, sharing best practice with each other on home to do this and plenty of teacher training. I know some parents that have had some good online classes and support from their schools and some that have had zero, absolutely nothing.
The school day should be permanently extended by 1 hour irregardless, with that hour consisting of a daily PE lesson. Not only would this help students health, but it could open up an additional daily free hour for teachers to either mark work or plan lessons at school, where they are paid, compared to doing the work in their own time at home
If it's an hour extension, how does it free up anyone? It means the same amount of time doing non-PE subjects, an hour more doing PE and an hour less marking/planning/recouping from all the stress at home.
Who is going to run these PE classes, if not the teachers?
My school of 600 students has 3 PE teachers. That's one teacher per 200 pupils.
Also, if you take an hour of "own time" away from teachers, you're not freeing up own time, are you?
My school of 600 students has 3 PE teachers. That's one teacher per 200 pupils.
Also, if you take an hour of "own time" away from teachers, you're not freeing up own time, are you?
Should not be grinding out more hours from tired children...?
Really?
Are they the same ones too tired to fire up their games consoles?
Really?
Are they the same ones too tired to fire up their games consoles?
Course they do. Means more work for them.
Problem is who does the summer teaching? The teachers need a break too. My kids teachers are going above and beyond to provide content for online learning and looking after the kids mental health. They are also juggling the kids in schools and their own lives. When do they get to spend time with their families or unwind after juggling everything? We can't just double the number of teachers!
The teachers of your children may well be providing them with content for learning, but what do you think happened in 2019?
Do you think children go to school, sit at a desk and do nothing?
Of course not - they're provided with content to learn from none other than, you guess it, teachers.
The delivery method has changed. The need to plan lessons and provide materials has not.
Do you think children go to school, sit at a desk and do nothing?
Of course not - they're provided with content to learn from none other than, you guess it, teachers.
The delivery method has changed. The need to plan lessons and provide materials has not.
Because the Shazzas and Daves of this world always think they know better.
It's not teachers that Britain holds in contempt, it's their unions.
This isn't entirely true.
Staff turnover is actually very low at the moment - the lowest in a long time in fact - partly driven by a very competitive jobs market.
Recruitment is also very healthy as people look for career changes or even just a job. Many are turning to Initial Teacher Training providers to help them do this. Lots of these ITT providers are reporting high application numbers.
Staff turnover is actually very low at the moment - the lowest in a long time in fact - partly driven by a very competitive jobs market.
Recruitment is also very healthy as people look for career changes or even just a job. Many are turning to Initial Teacher Training providers to help them do this. Lots of these ITT providers are reporting high application numbers.
Because in Britain the teachers and their unions are always looking for ways to find a negative and put a spanner in the works
They drop out because the system of schooling is not what they imagined, it is an appalling system of the steam age. Unfit for a modern world.
Because they are lazy and politically dogmatic
There's also a culture of focussing on proving that you just taught x rather than spending the time on teaching and ensuring they fully understand and assimilate the knowledge - and it all comes from government. Which is why I didn't become a teacher. Ticking boxes rather than educating children. Which in turn leads to the lack of respect because why would you respect that?
Society has to bear some blame so many single parents (by design) and at least two generations of layabouts who pass on to their kids similar thoughts.
So many on here will find this unpalatable but that is because to so many it hits a nerve.
So many on here will find this unpalatable but that is because to so many it hits a nerve.
I would say that most of us do not want to be put in front of the many students who have made no attempt at online lessons or, if they have joined meetings still not done work. This is especially true if they think we are going to have to work extra hours.
What the situation has told me is that the modern school system and curricula do not meet with many student needs or wants.
What the situation has told me is that the modern school system and curricula do not meet with many student needs or wants.
So basically most of you are saying after the turmoil of the last year that none of us should have a break ....unless you're a politician or celebrity in which case you can have a holiday
You dont think politicians or celebrities have children then?
I would have thought that teachers would want to help their pupils, with whatever it takes to help them. So having a 2 week holiday in the summer, with the same amount of time off, the rest of the year. So all the demands to open schools fully after 1/2 term, would be less.
Most have had a break! Most of the entire last year.
My kids are, for the first time in their lives, desperate to get back to school - for them that would be a break. Let the teachers have 2 or 3 weeks off but do they need 6 or 7 in the summer? We always get told they work through this time anyway so what's the problem
I just want to know who they expect to do the teaching
Teachers are salaried with contractuaral holidays and no overtime mechanism
How many other people would be expected to work for free in order to 'catch up' when most have worked full time throughout !
Teachers are salaried with contractuaral holidays and no overtime mechanism
How many other people would be expected to work for free in order to 'catch up' when most have worked full time throughout !
Most of the workforce who are doing it now to cover absences etc etc....no excuse i'm afraid!
Most of the private sector workforce is the answer. UK workers do more unpaid overtime than just about any other country. Work until the task is completed. I am sick of the bleating of the teaching unions that they are 'key workers' yet put in about 1/3 the shift of a junior doctor. Teachers want kids back in school they say but complain about 'long hours' No complaints about long holidays though!
They'll get them from the same place they got all the NHS workers to work in the Nightingale Hospitals.
i think you'll find teachers don't contractually have 15 weeks off a year. So they are not being asked to work in their 'holidays' they are being asked to come into school rather than do the work they would presumably normally be doing at home. If these 15 weeks are holiday then can we please never hear the argument again about not getting lots of holiday when pay discussions come up!
The people they expect to do the teaching are the teachers. It's not permanent. Just enough to get the kids back on track. I just wish the teachers could be a bit more supportive and proactive about adressing this issue. It feels like every suggestion is immediately knocked back. Doctors and nurses are risking theirs and their families lives every day with no complaints. C'mon teachers.
The teaching unions created this situation. My sympathy is nil. My sympathy lies with the excluded children and their parents.
If most teachers have been working full time throughout. What have they been doing? Honestly, I have been home schooling my primary school kids. No teaching is provided by the school, just a quick 20 minute class chat in the morning. So if the teachers aren't teaching. What are they doing? Genuinely!
They don't want teachers to do it in case they need paying. They want charities to step in and do something or other for free. There is no plan, just a pretense of doing something, anything.
Teachers only get 6 weeks holiday and should be working during the school holidays over and above this i.e. school holidays are 13 weeks so during Covid the school holidays could easily be shortened to make up some of the lost time
Most people don't get full pay for working 36/52 of a year.
Errs.... other people are salaried and have contractual holidays .. but THEY VOLUNTEER at vaccination centres... we all must do our bit to help through this crisis no matter what we would be doing normally .... these times are not normal times!
Teachers don't have holiday in the same way as most workers. They can be directed where, when and what to do for1265 hours over195 days of the year. But are also obliged to do anything else that is needed (marking, creating lessons/resources, analysing data, writing reports...) outside this time. This is why they actually work 50-60 hr weeks and have little spare time for a 'holiday'.
some have done didly squat during the lockdowns so why shouldn't they have to make the lost time up
The headline should be 'education unions will go against everything suggested by the government'...…………...
Flook no one asked about Unions. We asked teachers or politicians. Who should we trust to have the best knowledge of what is and isn't a good idea for children?
Should we trust the people who have spent their lives training and working with kids
Or the people who have spent their lives in different sectors entirely?
Should we trust the people who have spent their lives training and working with kids
Or the people who have spent their lives in different sectors entirely?
Haha oh you do make me chuckle! Would you like to shadow me for a few weeks to see how 'well paid' I am and see how 'short' my working day is? You are clearly commenting on something that you have absolutely no comprehension or understanding of! Perhaps you'd like to come into school with me for a few days during the half term holiday (yes, I'm going in) or sit with me whilst I'm lesson planning?
I know of at least one major academy group that are saying that any time taken off following close contact with a covid positive individual is unpaid.
Very generous.
Very generous.
Good pay, not really for the hours they do.
They don't have short working days. 8-4 is on a par with other professions and THEN they do more work at home too
Teachers never object to raising standards. They may oppose govenment changes but these are made by people that have never been a teacher
Sick pay is good
They don't have short working days. 8-4 is on a par with other professions and THEN they do more work at home too
Teachers never object to raising standards. They may oppose govenment changes but these are made by people that have never been a teacher
Sick pay is good
All that and yet still applications are plummeting and drop out is increasing.
So how come?
So how come?
If it is that good why don't you become a teacher?
The reason is simple, it is nothing lie you describe........................ havinng been married to a teacher for nearly 25 years I wish they had short working days but they don't and work 7 days a week and holidays are mostly spent planning, writing reports, marking.
Still, you moan at teachers if it makes you feel big.
The reason is simple, it is nothing lie you describe........................ havinng been married to a teacher for nearly 25 years I wish they had short working days but they don't and work 7 days a week and holidays are mostly spent planning, writing reports, marking.
Still, you moan at teachers if it makes you feel big.
Guessing that writing fiction may have been your best subject at school.
I suspect trolling (or ignorance). Compared with similar training (5+ years min from 18) pay is low, days are long (it's not 9-4 ), holidays often spent working and many think they can do the job better. I trained and left shortly after like many others. Kids are fine, everyone else (gov/parents/society) treats you like dirt. Sadly it means good teachers are leaving and the standard is dropping
Try it.
Pay rises based on your spawn's ability to learn, and even spoon fed they can't write their own names.
Start around 8.30, finish around 9/10pm, give up first week of holidays to help your spawn, teach them how to wipe their bottoms.
Constant stress, Ofsted, lost breaks, no family life and no weekends, yeah, easy job.
My 9-5 is so much easier and I get paid for my hours, I'll not go back!
Pay rises based on your spawn's ability to learn, and even spoon fed they can't write their own names.
Start around 8.30, finish around 9/10pm, give up first week of holidays to help your spawn, teach them how to wipe their bottoms.
Constant stress, Ofsted, lost breaks, no family life and no weekends, yeah, easy job.
My 9-5 is so much easier and I get paid for my hours, I'll not go back!
Long holidays, good pay, short hours, nice appreciative parents to deal with and small classes of wonderful engaging children…….. then I woke up!
You are so wide of the mark!! My Mrs is a teacher and I have never seen anyone work so hard and for so many hours. If all the hours planning, marking, preping home learning atm are taken into account her pay will work out to be under the legal minimum!! Fact!!! Praise and understand our teachers, they are amazing people!
Not all teachers work all through the holidays - nor do they claim to! Preparing for a new school year, or catching up on record keeping is work that teachers do during school breaks (and at night) at times when they're not paid! They don't get paid holidays, unlike some workers.
Teachers are paid for the full 52 weeks of the year. Only teaching assistants are paid pro rata, and therefore not for the holidays, so stop preaching. "Some workers"? That'll be me then, who hasn't had a sick day, "working from home (answering emails in pyjamas)" day or a furlough day at all, since before this even started. I EARN my paid holiday thanks, while I help grease the economic wheels.
Wrong...teachers are paid for 1265 hours, basically term time, plus 5 INSET days...
What a martyr you are. No teachers are not paid for all term holidays their pay is the same as some teaching assistants who can have equal payments over 12 months which is how teachers are paid
No they don't. They are also paid pro rata, and are contracted and paid for 38 .5 weeks of the year which is split into 12 equal portions
Whilst the schools have been closed every single teacher should have been going into schools as normal, holding as many online classes as they can, sharing best practice with each other on home to do this and plenty of teacher training. I know some parents that have had some good online classes and support from their schools and some that have had zero, absolutely nothing.
I call BS. You're making this up - which school & where
Whilst the schools have been closed every single teacher should have been going into schools as normal, holding as many online classes as they can, sharing best practice with each other on home to do this and plenty of teacher training. I know some parents that have had some good online classes and support from their schools and some that have had zero, absolutely nothing.
Some teachers are at a breaking point preparing live lessons and teaching kids in school at the same time.
Extending either the school day or the summer term will kill them off.
Extending either the school day or the summer term will kill them off.
Yes but some people are working 12 hour shifts with only 4 weeks holiday a year and on minimum wage.
Those teachers should speak with their union that created this situation
Teachers don’t know the meaning of hard work. See comment of llan007. Teachers wouldn’t last 5 minutes.
Not all schools are providing online lessons. My son has only just started getting in the last 2 weeks a single daily 15 minute video call with his classmates. His teacher isn't at the school either, instead she is working from home, so it's not like she's having to teach an in-school class and remote class at the same time.
Perhaps you should read Ofsted's own guide which clearly states
"Some unhelpful myths exist about remote education, which are not based on evidence.
These include that:
the best way to deliver remote education is always through live lessons"
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/ofsted-publishes-short-guide-to-what-works-well-in-remote-education
"Some unhelpful myths exist about remote education, which are not based on evidence.
These include that:
the best way to deliver remote education is always through live lessons"
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/ofsted-publishes-short-guide-to-what-works-well-in-remote-education
It's quite simple scrap all the totally unnecessary holidays. It's the primary reason parents can't get full time work. And what better way to get children out of poverty than to have their parent (s) working full time.
Evidence - try my wife!
Working 10 hour days to cover 2 classes, 1 online and 1 in school
and if thats not enough - ALL of he colleagues trying to keep pace !
Still you sit on your cloud and deny they do anything! IDOT!!!
Working 10 hour days to cover 2 classes, 1 online and 1 in school
and if thats not enough - ALL of he colleagues trying to keep pace !
Still you sit on your cloud and deny they do anything! IDOT!!!
I would like to see the evidence of you working as there cant be a lot you seem to spend more time on here moaning. Id dock your wages if you worked for me.
What do they suggest then? I am not hearing any suggestion coming out of the teaching profession.
There is an issue with the public sector in that it has thousands of managers paid more than the Prime Minister yet it still expects to be spoon fed about how to run their service. It's high time that those paid a lot of money to run these services start being accountable for them.
There is an issue with the public sector in that it has thousands of managers paid more than the Prime Minister yet it still expects to be spoon fed about how to run their service. It's high time that those paid a lot of money to run these services start being accountable for them.
None that they can't palm off with nannies and private schooling.
Besides, we hardly see any politicians earning their money at the moment, celebs are all swanning around abroad and 'influencing' products.
Besides, we hardly see any politicians earning their money at the moment, celebs are all swanning around abroad and 'influencing' products.
School buildings are open.
Teachers are teaching.
Pupils are learning remotely.
Extending school days and school terms ignores this.
There is no army of teachers and support staff waiting in the wings.
Teachers are teaching.
Pupils are learning remotely.
Extending school days and school terms ignores this.
There is no army of teachers and support staff waiting in the wings.
"Teachers are teaching.
Pupils are learning remotely."
This isn't happening though!!! 20 minutes a day of live lessons does not represent teaching!! Why is everyone treating all teachers as one group who should all be canonised immediately. Standards are massively variable and therefore catch up requirements are massively variable!
Pupils are learning remotely."
This isn't happening though!!! 20 minutes a day of live lessons does not represent teaching!! Why is everyone treating all teachers as one group who should all be canonised immediately. Standards are massively variable and therefore catch up requirements are massively variable!
Online learning is causing misery. It is mind-numbingly boring at the very best.
Teachers only get 6 weeks holiday a year but the school holidays are 13 weeks. Summer holidays could be reduced during covid to give extra schooling to the children who have not been doing the usual 6 hours every week day ( with home work) that they would have done in a normal year. Can anyone truthfully say their child has worked Monday to Friday 6 hours a day during the term time when at home
Compared to many countries, (including the US) the school days are extremely long in the UK for young children and even teenagers without the extra time added. Many are exhausted already from sitting all day from 9 am in front of the computer. Whoever is coming up with these catch up strategies clearly don't know anything about realities of learning or teaching.
What do you know? My daughter is teaching live 4 hours per day, setting and recording work for the next day, marking previous days work, attending 2 evenings virtual parents evening (for those parents who can be bothered) so taking into account the hours she puts in are the same as being at school which equates to minimum wage! Get your facts right before making bland generic statements!
At my childs school the online learning is this time not even an hour a day. Shared with the MANY kids who are actually in school too with the teachers attention all day. How is that fair? Why do key workers kids get a better education at his school? Previous lockdown he got no online learning. Zilch. We did it all. Offer treble money and there will be teachers. I would not begrudge them it.
Not according to the people I know. The kids haven’t been doing much of anything in school.
I have a child of my own, and I will put her before the children of others, simple as that. I am often asleep before her due to fatigue, as I have been working 60+ hours most weeks, so adding time will just render me less effective in the classroom. The 'holidays' are the times that I can catch up with and spend time with my daughter...so stuff any idea of that time being shortened.
Well they don’t. Applications are plummeting. Those who decide to train have a huge drop out rate. Those who make it through and teach, are leaving early. Only in Britain is there this contempt for teachers. Education is really important so why don’t we value teachers?
My name is Dave. I don't think I know better.
"Because the Shazzas and Daves of this world always think they know better."
Oh nothing like a bit of stereotyping and class prejudice to further your argument.
Don't complain people are mean to you if you are going to take that approach
Oh nothing like a bit of stereotyping and class prejudice to further your argument.
Don't complain people are mean to you if you are going to take that approach
Except they're not. Over 10% have been on furlough since March. Once this is over they'll have had at least year's pay for doing jack all. This is not the case with teachers who have worked throughout this (as have many millions of others).
Most of the workforce - your term - are not doing weeks of unpaid overtime.
Most of the workforce - your term - are not doing weeks of unpaid overtime.
Wrong.
What do they suggest then? I am not hearing any suggestion coming out of the teaching profession.
There is an issue with the public sector in that it has thousands of managers paid more than the Prime Minister yet it still expects to be spoon fed about how to run their service. It's high time that those paid a lot of money to run these services start being accountable for them.
There is an issue with the public sector in that it has thousands of managers paid more than the Prime Minister yet it still expects to be spoon fed about how to run their service. It's high time that those paid a lot of money to run these services start being accountable for them.
Go out and get a job in the real world and than complain about how hard teaching is
Well said and so true.
A far simpler solution would be for each child to repeat the school year they have missed. Longer school days would be pointless for younger children, they have a much shorter concentration span.
So what about the welfare of Teachers???
How do we stop all the children lagging further behind?
Simple.....open the schools!
All the evidence we have shows that open schools, particularly for younger children, are a minimal risk (if any at all).
Many countries in a similar position to us have open schools - and never shut them eg France.
We should do the same.
Simple.....open the schools!
All the evidence we have shows that open schools, particularly for younger children, are a minimal risk (if any at all).
Many countries in a similar position to us have open schools - and never shut them eg France.
We should do the same.
Keep the schools fully open in the summer. Do not open them too early now.
Other countries have smaller classes so can socially distance better, we have gone for bigger classes so it’s more problematic. Don’t believe these pictures on tv of a few kids spaced out- I don’t know any class like that! If we can get more spaces like marquees then schools can fully open.
Would you care to elaborate? What do you mean by 'done little'?
Pull the other one - there's a bell attached!
Altal what do you mean "done little" they have been working in incredibly hard through the whole pandemic. They have been creating lessons for both onsite and offsite teaching. Teaching in new methods every day. They have worked insanely hard all pandemic. We should be thanking teachers and not berating them
There are certainly a few who know little but feel qualified to opine on it.