Beer and pub leaders plead for reopening date after sales halve in 2020
10/02/2021 | news | business | 832
The industry shows the government a "roadmap to recovery" as it waits for a reopening date.
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10/02/2021 10:47:54 219 70
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At some point we have to open up society. This is no life.
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10/02/2021 10:54:41 150 75
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Absolutely not sir - don't you know there's a risk that someone will die somewhere if we go back to normal?!
Until all death and sickness is purged from the Earth, that is when we're allowed to live. Apparently.
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10/02/2021 10:55:48 12 14
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Well for other infectious spreads the rate has to be below 15 per 100,000. In some areas it is already, but in many areas it isn't. If people actually stayed in their tier's that system would have worked.

But it looks like we'll have to wait until the last few areas are also low.

i believe the highest at the moment is Rutland at 72.
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10/02/2021 11:01:59 13 46
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That has long been a right-wing Tory plan to bring back a rose tinted past

Killing off the night culture is part of that

Get used to the new little England
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10/02/2021 11:07:22 18 35
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Not until the people have stopped dying in large numbers.
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10/02/2021 11:10:37 32 7
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You are right. Surely with most of the vulnerable protected the remainder can get back to normal, at least a bit.
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xlr
10/02/2021 11:11:07 12 23
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Pubs were already on their way out, like the high street. The epidemic has just accelerated both. The UK lost a quarter of its pubs between 2001 and 2018, long before covid.
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10/02/2021 11:15:48 11 12
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I just wonder if those who chastise people fleeing countries abroad realise how ridiculous they sound because they can't go to a pub?
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10/02/2021 11:17:50 10 2
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If we execute the entire population we'll never have another Covid death and things can open up again
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10/02/2021 11:22:04 5 15
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At least you have your life - be grateful !
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10/02/2021 11:32:44 8 2
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No life for who, just you? I have lost my job because of the pandemic and at my age have no real hope of getting another one but my life goes on and I will make the best of it.
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10/02/2021 11:43:14 1 5
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It is a perfect life. Made no difference to it. It is the great life we all look forward to of retirement. Has been for all human time. Home is where the heart and everything is.
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10/02/2021 11:54:43 0 0
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Neither is death.
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DG
10/02/2021 12:06:50 1 1
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At some point we will, until then, keep the pubs shut
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10/02/2021 12:06:53 1 1
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No, when the Government can say that you get more years in jail (10) for lying about where you have been than you get for many sex crimes, then we are done. The Covid Cult has arrived & in winning. Soon you will have to wear a patch on your clothing with of a syringe & a no entry circle and cross on it IF you haven't been vaccinated. 1984 is starting to look more inviting by the day.
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10/02/2021 12:10:52 0 0
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As some people have found out to their cost.
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10/02/2021 12:28:36 4 4
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Put simply. Pubs have killed 0 people and have the lowest apparent "infection" rates out of any sector in the UK in this time of fake fearmongering scam pandemics. The NHS has killed 100,000 more people than usual in the last year. The pubs are good for mental health and social cohesion whereas the NHS literally puts people on end of life care for no reason. Defund the NHS, open pubs. NOW.
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10/02/2021 12:45:39 1 1
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No life for the dead either.
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10/02/2021 10:48:42 119 80
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When people drink too much all social distancing goes out of the window.

The NHS is doing a good job at present.
Opening pubs will increase the spread of the virus.
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10/02/2021 10:52:43 27 4
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From what I read and from the point of view of historical infection rates ...most infections are acquired IN HOSPITAL !!
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10/02/2021 10:58:45 17 12
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That sort of guff is usually spouted by people that never go to the pub.

If it does not affect you, then why should you bother ? It's only other people's lives and jobs after all.

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10/02/2021 10:57:09 16 7
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The NHS is doing a great job of creating 'stay at home' alcoholics !!!!
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10/02/2021 11:06:45 17 6
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You are far more likely to catch the virus in hospital than in the pub!
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nfn
10/02/2021 11:09:46 13 4
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Where's your factual evidence for this comment. This kind of story does no one any good. People's businesses are being destroyed by spurious claims like this.
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10/02/2021 11:10:43 9 2
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Opening all educational facilities will be worse.
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10/02/2021 11:22:05 17 4
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There's no real evidence for that: it's long-standing, anti-pub, anti-proletariat, snobbish nonsense.
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10/02/2021 11:37:50 1 3
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Total nonsense. The pubs were policing social distancing far more stringently than supermarkets. Haven't you worked it out yet? Anything to do with travel or leisure/enjoyment is being targeted in the name of this virus. Remember the Christmas we didn't have? This is a psychological/social experiment on society. Anyone who thinks we are going back to the "Old Normal" are in for a very long wait.
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10/02/2021 11:39:05 4 1
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The NHS is doing a job no better than any other health service in Europe. The fetishisation of the NHS needs to stop.
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10/02/2021 11:41:42 2 1
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I miss the pub visits and can't wait for them to reopen but a small number spoilt it for the rest of us by acting like idiots when social distancing was in force before close down. I don't think they will act any different if we were to reopen with same restrictions so probably best to wait until its safe to mix.
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10/02/2021 12:24:34 1 0
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WRONG. Hospitals are worse for spreading diseases than pubs. Ever heard of hospital acquired pneumonia? Not only is the government using this scam as an excuse to curtail on our personal freedoms, we are forced to praise the NHS for doing their jobs when they've caused 100,000 deaths and possibly many more through these vaxx that have been proven not to work in South Africa. USELESS.
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10/02/2021 14:27:44 0 0
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We can't live with social distancing forever. The restriction the UK public have put up with must come to and end and we need, no demand, a roadmap and firm targets to enable society to re-strat, or are you one of the many that are now suffering paranoia and anxiety over unseen illness and germs?
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10/02/2021 15:06:01 0 0
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The NHS is a big source of infection, the NHS also 'seeded' our care homes with the virus a year ago, so that of the 100,000 deaths the Cultists go on about, 72,000+ occurred then, and possibly did the same a month or so ago, looking at the spike in care home deaths.
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10/02/2021 10:50:00 83 12
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Give them a road map by all means - a list of things that need to happen, some targets which need to be met - but don't give them firm dates.
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10/02/2021 11:14:22 15 21
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Perfectly fine - as long as they stick to it and stop moving the goalposts all the time.
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10/02/2021 12:38:51 0 1
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"Road Map". Simply set criteria which will see restrictions eased and lifted. And don't reimpose them immediately, either. Have these criteria subject to Parlimentary scrutiny in the next month and replace the Coronavirus Emergency Powers Act with them.
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10/02/2021 14:10:45 1 1
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bj and mh need a Road Map ....to get them to The Hague ...soonest !!!!
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10/02/2021 14:14:42 2 0
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what's the point of a 'road map' - whatever that means? This is an ever changing situation and nothing can be guaranteed. And when it needs changing due to unforeseen circumstances then the media will do their usual whinging. Anybody with an ounce of intelligence can work out what needs to happen before we can get out of lockdown
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10/02/2021 10:50:03 22 14
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I find the various demands for "open us up" strange. We do not know when it will be safe to open up care homes, pubs, restaurants etc and until the science says "yes" they have to stay closed. Do these people really think the government can ask the virus "when will you stop infecting us virus?". So foolish.
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10/02/2021 10:55:08 11 22
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The Virus will Never stop infecting..even if you have the Vaccine! The Restrictions and lockdowns are a sham and have had no effect!
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10/02/2021 10:57:41 1 0
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The scientists who call the shots for the government aren't thinking about this holistically.

Science = ongoing pursuit of knowledge, and not all scientists are on board with gov policy. They've had a year to know what they're up against. Just a year.

"the science" isn't saying we should be in perpetual lockdown. Lockdown are a way of transferring responsibility to the public.
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10/02/2021 11:06:50 4 1
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You may want to live in permanent lockdown but the harm to mental health,job losses and other illnesses going untreated is going to cause a tsunami when this is over.If the NHS is overwhelmed now,wait till that happens.Life must go on,this is unsustainable.There will be no economy to come back to.
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10/02/2021 10:50:15 40 22
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I get the frustration, I'd love nothing more than to go out for a pint or few, but they already know the "roadmap" is coming on 22nd February. Why should pubs, or for that matter any sector, demand special treatment?
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10/02/2021 11:23:36 7 16
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'Cause they are special.

They are the essence of where we live.
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10/02/2021 14:37:08 1 0
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In the village I live in at the moment, all there is is a pubs which was the heart of the community. The nearest shop/bank etc is 15 miles away and there aint no bus service anymore.
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10/02/2021 10:50:26 13 9
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HMG simply does not care.

All it cares about is Covid - everything else does not matter. Once people understand that, everything they do makes 100% sense.
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10/02/2021 10:54:05 7 5
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No, all it cares about is tabloid headlines. It’s just that most of them are currently about Covid. Once you understand that tomorrow’s Daily Express is the only thing that matters, then everything makes sense.
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10/02/2021 10:58:27 2 0
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As yet I've seen zero evidence that HMG cares about Covid one bit. If they did they would have taken the actions necessary to suppress it; instead they've maximised the damage it causes.
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10/02/2021 10:54:55 2 2
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Correction!

All it cares about is the NHS

It has completely forgotten that these businesses help fund the NHS !
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10/02/2021 11:30:07 2 1
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Remember this is their core vote they are protecting, and the Private Sector contracts being handed out to their friends will ensure they have full coffers for the next election.
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10/02/2021 10:50:28 26 1
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While sales of alcohol in pubs may have halved, I wonder how much consumption reduced?
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10/02/2021 10:57:48 14 2
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You’re forgetting supermarkets
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10/02/2021 14:34:54 0 0
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Sales have move from the pub to Supermarkets.
Supermarket BWS (Beer, Wine and Spirits) single have nearly trippled from the volume before lockdown...still don't see them adding of this to the price match scams
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Bob
10/02/2021 10:50:41 71 15
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I see we have already forgotten the "don't give dates" message from last week, which most commenters were on board with.
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10/02/2021 11:11:32 29 1
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Shhh, people don't like it when you point out their double standards
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10/02/2021 10:48:42 119 80
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When people drink too much all social distancing goes out of the window.

The NHS is doing a good job at present.
Opening pubs will increase the spread of the virus.
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10/02/2021 10:53:18 9 2
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Oh dear, have you had an early tipple ?
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xlr
10/02/2021 10:50:51 55 14
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If they're given a reopening date and they spend money hiring staff, setting up and buying new stock but then there is another lockdown a few weeks later, then it'll be the death stroke for many of them.
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10/02/2021 11:02:03 34 48
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Not to mention the 'death stroke' for all the people that pubgoers will infect when they completely ignore social distancing when drunk ...
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10/02/2021 10:51:08 15 10
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Set the date at 1st January 2025, if the virus is under control before then they can open earlier.
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10/02/2021 10:52:49 10 10
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Ha, I have no intention of being locked down until 2025, nor will most people.
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10/02/2021 10:51:26 169 99
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You cannot have everything else closed and pubs open.

Makes no sense, drunks don't abide to rules, so pubs should be one of the last things to open.
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ken
10/02/2021 10:53:12 67 38
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Agree
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10/02/2021 10:56:33 18 14
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A logical approach would be to open the least risky activities first, and the highest risk activities last.

Where do pubs fit in this? Far less risky overall than offices or schools, yet the government are desperate to get those open to get the virus spreading.
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10/02/2021 10:56:37 40 10
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Not all pub goers are drunks
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A C
10/02/2021 11:07:03 22 10
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Nonsense. Pubs are an integral part of most communities and for everyone's mental welfare need to be opened sooner rather than later. Also, so many jobs depend on pubs. Certainly, there are those who get drunk but they are in the minority. There are far more people who drink sensibly.
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10/02/2021 11:04:22 14 7
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Schools should be welded shut at the moment, they are the main spreaders of the virus. A few people behaving sensibly in their local is a much smaller problem. And if you see drunks in pubs, you must live in an awful area! None around here. But children on the other hand are very physical with each other, no way thay can behave.
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10/02/2021 11:08:11 11 2
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There are different kinds of pubs. That’s where a lot of the problem lies with reopening.

Some are mostly tables with people eating with good covid measures.

On the other hand packed city centre or sports bars with late night excessive drinking could be the problem.
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10/02/2021 11:16:10 6 2
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90% of pub users are NOT "drunks. Go away, evil little Puritan
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10/02/2021 12:13:00 1 1
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Nobody said that other things shouldn't open too. And most "drunks" don't go to pubs because in most cases they are told, "Sorry, you've had enough mate". Most people who drink to excess (a more polite way of putting it) buy their alcohol from supermarkets where for some daft reason it's cheaper to buy than it is in a heavily regulated, specialised and supervised environment like a public house.
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10/02/2021 12:18:57 0 1
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We believe in one virus, the virus almighty, made not in heaven but maybe on earth. killer of all, proven or unproven. We believe in many mutations. Virus from Virus, RNA from RNA. Mutated not created, but of one Genotype with the Covid. Eternally to exist, for our destruction. We believe in SAGE and Prof Ferguson, the prophets, we believe in one holy Covid Church. False Gods & False Science
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10/02/2021 12:20:59 0 0
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Drunk people and children are the two least likely to adhere to any guidelines however well prepared schools or pubs are. British people are generally more likely to flout rules than most other countries too so its pretty obvious we just need to wait until the vaccine rollout allows us to go back to normal. Offices and shops are easier as people aren't drunk or immature (mostly)
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10/02/2021 12:22:59 1 1
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Pubs are the lifeblood of this country. They are ESSENTIAL for keeping the fabric of society together and should have been kept open throughout to keep morale high. Instead we have a tyrannical government telling ADULTS who are paying THEIR WAGES through tax, stopping us from getting a pint when we want, destroying MILLLIONS of lives and jobs, and BILLIONS in economy revenue. OPEN PUBS NOW!
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10/02/2021 12:30:11 2 2
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Hospitals have killed more people than pubs in the last year.
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10/02/2021 13:51:09 1 0
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sober people seem not to abide by the rules either??
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10/02/2021 10:52:03 132 37
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Much as I have every sympathy for the pub trade, and I do enjoy a visit myself, it's just not feasible to give an exact date in a fluid, ever changing environment. Perhaps laying out the target for opening (such as less than 1000 new cases a day or something like that) is more realistic.
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10/02/2021 11:07:20 32 193
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Isn’t this the perfect opportunity to take the bull by the horns and close public houses permanently. The amount of damage to our society as a result of alcohol abuse, physically as well as economically, is out of control. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy the occasional claret, but in moderation and in the privacy of my own home, not staggering down the high street with my knickers round my ankles.
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10/02/2021 11:11:29 6 6
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when we came out of lockdown in summer 2020 there were still 500 new cases a day, look where we ended up
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10/02/2021 11:19:23 4 8
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It worked in France. No relaxation until 5000/day. It's still around 20,000, so no relaxation but very little moaning.

Clear target, easily understood.
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10/02/2021 14:15:05 0 0
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It's the old problem between what we WANT and what we NEED.
We WANT the pubs to be open, we don't NEED them to be.
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Pip
10/02/2021 15:58:58 0 0
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Given that the transmission rate in pubs was 2% and in supermarkets it's around 20%, I don't think sympathy has anything to do with it.............?
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10/02/2021 10:52:06 1 10
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Pubs will probably be one of the last a
Places to open, this is because its us plebs enjoy them and they are a British cultural icon.
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10/02/2021 10:55:50 0 3
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Slightly racist!
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10/02/2021 10:52:37 27 21
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People + alcohol + proximity = increased spread of virus.

Businesses that rely on their customers socialising in close proximity are likely to be the last to re-open.
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10/02/2021 10:51:08 15 10
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Set the date at 1st January 2025, if the virus is under control before then they can open earlier.
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10/02/2021 10:52:49 10 10
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Ha, I have no intention of being locked down until 2025, nor will most people.
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10/02/2021 10:55:10 2 5
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Then, Bone Crusher, you don't understand the problem and are a nuisance to society!
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10/02/2021 11:16:25 5 1
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isnt it strange that even with vaccine rollout,it seems we are in a worse position with regard to our freedoms.I think the Gov has got this power over us and is finding it difficult to let go.Im amazed how people are like sheep and quite willing to give up our basic freedoms for a virus which we must learn to live with and get on with it.People are dying every day for other illnesses.
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10/02/2021 15:40:04 0 0
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by then the the reality and the fiddling of statistics will be out in the open, and then maybe we'll hold SAGE and Politicians to account, at least I hope so.
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10/02/2021 10:52:59 16 15
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Will the pubs pay a premium in taxes to help fund the care of those who catch Corvid as a result of letting their guard down? No....

The infections are dropping, as are deaths. Push through the pain. If things ease too soon, another lockdown will be needed.
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10/02/2021 10:53:12 110 23
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I must admit that until the Covid pandemic struck, i didn't appreciate how much the hospitality sector is a important part of our lives and the economy, and it needs a little help to get it back onto its feet.
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10/02/2021 13:32:02 35 2
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Especially for village life, it's effectively the community centre where people can actually interact and see people, especially important for those who live alone.
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10/02/2021 15:04:21 1 6
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I must admit until Covid didn't strike the healthy and the young, I didn't realise how many old fanatics who hate youth and life there were in the UK. Or how easily so many could be so terrified for so long by so few after such poor evidence, that they'd condemn us all to house arrest forever.
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10/02/2021 10:51:26 169 99
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You cannot have everything else closed and pubs open.

Makes no sense, drunks don't abide to rules, so pubs should be one of the last things to open.
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ken
10/02/2021 10:53:12 67 38
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Agree
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10/02/2021 11:22:46 0 1
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Absolutely right.
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10/02/2021 10:53:18 9 2
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Oh dear, have you had an early tipple ?
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10/02/2021 10:53:25 3 1
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"After nearly a whole year under forced closure" - this is a blatant lie, I was on Holiday in Devon in September last year and all pubs were open then
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10/02/2021 10:58:21 1 1
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And the infection numbers grew.
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10/02/2021 10:53:38 33 15
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Let me consult my crystal ball to see when we will beat this nasty virus........ I'm fed up with people and groups thinking they are a special case - we are all in this together. Get it!
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10/02/2021 15:23:13 3 1
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LOL yes, Crystal Balls, that is exactly the mentality of the Covid Cult! It is a seasonal virus, unusual in that it kills the old, infirm and those with co-morbidities. The young and healthy are in more danger of dying from Flu or crossing the road - so let's destroy their lives, society and the economy to save?
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10/02/2021 10:53:45 33 7
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Pubs where closing hand over fist before viral arrival, they were in a parlous state already through lack of use. Make use of the ones that will survive or you'll lose those too.
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SJ
10/02/2021 11:30:51 3 7
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Pubs should be community owned.
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10/02/2021 16:32:47 0 0
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Pubs have not been closing because of lack of use, they've been closing due to tax, business rates, increased staff costs, opp. cost of property etc.

Its about time people realised that the best place for people to drink socially is a pub in the company of your peers and elders. The alternatives, cheap supermarket/off licence booze drunk at home/park/bus stop are what should be taxed/discouraged.
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10/02/2021 10:53:57 61 25
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We are all tired and suffering in this awful time, however I am getting more tired of some asking for a definite time frame for a return to normality, or at least for a partial re-opening.

Nobody has the answer to this question and repeatedly asking it makes one look daft.
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10/02/2021 11:10:30 28 11
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Agree, we just have to be patient at the moment. I think the Govt are spot on to wait and see what impact the rollout of the vaccine is having before committing to any roadmap or dates for easing of restrictions.
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10/02/2021 15:14:39 0 0
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no repeatedly asking it shows up the total incompetence and the myths that have been peddled about this virus.
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10/02/2021 10:50:26 13 9
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HMG simply does not care.

All it cares about is Covid - everything else does not matter. Once people understand that, everything they do makes 100% sense.
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10/02/2021 10:54:05 7 5
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No, all it cares about is tabloid headlines. It’s just that most of them are currently about Covid. Once you understand that tomorrow’s Daily Express is the only thing that matters, then everything makes sense.
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10/02/2021 11:12:20 3 2
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I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A MEDIA BLACKOUT ON COVID,AS ALL THEY DO IS SPREAD DOOM AND GLOOM AND ANYONE WHO IS ANXIOUS TO START WITH WILL BE THINKING THEY WILL DROP DEAD IF THEY STEP OUTSIDE.THEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO GET RUN OVER AND A SENSE OF PROPORTION NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT BACK.COVID IS ONE VIRUS,PEOPLE ARE DYING FROM CANCER,HEART ATTACKS BUT DO WE HEAR SO MUCH ABOUT THEM,NO.
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10/02/2021 10:54:10 8 1
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Reopening is an events and clinical position based option, not calendar based
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DJ
10/02/2021 10:54:11 4 6
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What is the point of saving lives when their is no life?
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10/02/2021 11:02:27 1 1
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Because I as a 75 year old want to live to see my grandchildren for a few more years. I would say something else about you but I would be banned. We have all suffered for 12 months to try and control this virus.
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10/02/2021 11:16:18 0 0
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I promise you there is a life DJ. It is different and although not ideal, you can enjoy some old interests and maybe find some new options. Keep looking forwards until things return to what you are after.

Good luck, stay safe.
??????
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10/02/2021 10:54:15 49 2
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"While sales of alcohol in pubs may have halved, I wonder how much consumption reduced?"

It hasn't. Consumption has risen sharply through more home drinking. Alcohol related hospital admissions have nearly doubled through the pandemic.
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10/02/2021 11:43:12 14 2
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On the plus side.. the massive surge in British alcoholism is lining the pockets of the oligarchical supermarket industry ??
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10/02/2021 12:33:47 2 1
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Alcohol consumption rates have risen sharply with an increase in hospital admissions, and yet none have died and all have been recorded as covid. Same with car crash victims??? How strange. It's almost as if there's a SCAM going on regarding a virus that has been proven to be nothing more than a cold since the cold is also a type of coronavirus.
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10/02/2021 10:54:20 89 38
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Once we’ve vaccinated all the vulnerable groups who make up 90% of deaths and hospitalisations

Open everything- including pubs
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10/02/2021 11:01:54 47 28
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Open only when the key indicators are low and falling - infections, hospitalisations, deaths. To open any sooner would be total madness.
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10/02/2021 11:10:16 2 3
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As the government said we hope to have all vulnerable vaccinated by the 15th February. So start relaxing restro
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10/02/2021 11:17:03 8 0
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The thing is about relaxing lock down people want to see things relaxed on what they like, but what they don't like or have a bias against remain closed.
As my wife put it, she cannot stand ruby so that should be shut down completely, but she needs her hair down every month so open the hairdressers. It was tongue in cheek when she said it, but it is the attitude of a lot
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10/02/2021 11:23:55 2 4
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Twit.
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10/02/2021 11:29:20 2 7
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They don't make up anywhere near 90% of hospitalisations.
How many times have he same mistakes have to be repeated until it finally clicks with people like you.
Perhaps another Eat Out To Spread It About initiative is needed, another £500,000,000 wasted.
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10/02/2021 11:39:36 2 2
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That was always supposed to be the plan so expect the economy to start re-opening in March or there will be awkward questions to be answered!!
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10/02/2021 11:41:51 3 1
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They have been vaccinated. In over 80’s Covid deaths are still going up. We need to get on with things
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10/02/2021 10:54:25 4 2
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"We have put in place one of the most comprehensive and generous packages of business support in the world worth £280 billion. This includes a new one-off grant worth up to £9,000, VAT relief, various loan schemes, a business rates holiday as well as the extended furlough scheme."
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10/02/2021 10:54:35 8 7
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The issue people still don't get is that the more you try to open, the more the virus goes out of control and the more you have to lockdown again. Everything has to be done to avoid lockdowns, and unfortunately that does mean pubs have to stay shut for a long time...
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10/02/2021 10:57:10 5 3
bbc
We've had Restrictions and lockdowns for almost 1 year! Hospitals are full and no end in site! So 'How' have lockdowns worked.!?
83
10/02/2021 10:56:19 1 1
bbc
Total tosh
167
10/02/2021 11:08:34 0 0
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Your argument implies that mass vaccination will make no difference and May 2021 will be no different to May 2020.
1
10/02/2021 10:47:54 219 70
bbc
At some point we have to open up society. This is no life.
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10/02/2021 10:54:41 150 75
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Absolutely not sir - don't you know there's a risk that someone will die somewhere if we go back to normal?!
Until all death and sickness is purged from the Earth, that is when we're allowed to live. Apparently.
58
10/02/2021 10:57:49 47 17
bbc
People die all the time, mainly of something other than covid
113
10/02/2021 11:02:43 16 37
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Do people think this level of ridiculous exaggeration makes a legitimate point? 110,000+ additional deaths in 10 months and this is how people talk...
209
10/02/2021 11:11:52 14 3
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Its been said before. Nuke the planet from orbit - its the only way to be safe.
443
10/02/2021 11:41:26 5 0
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Death and sickness have been around since the dawn of time. Does the ward know you have escaped?
473
10/02/2021 11:51:08 0 0
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Thank you you gave me my first laugh of the day
490
10/02/2021 11:55:34 0 0
bbc
What utter, utter nonsense
people die every hour of every day, it's perfectly natural
can you imagine what the world would become if no-one died??
520
10/02/2021 12:10:43 3 1
bbc
Beware, they'll come for you, the Covid Cult brooks no heresy. How long before they are literally burning us at the stake? 10 years for lying about where you have been?! This is England for God's sake! We have thrown away in less than a year, almost a thousand years of struggles paid for in blood & we now have a religion more irrational and cruel than many of the past. It is anti-life, anti-youth.
583
10/02/2021 12:38:44 3 2
bbc
You have obviously not had anyone close to you seriously I’ll or die from Covid.
Try volunteering in your local mortuary and find out that it’s not just the old who are dying.
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W 6
10/02/2021 10:54:50 4 1
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Fully empathise with pubs who've taken a massive battering and become a bit of a scapegoat for the second wave, but it'll have to be based on data rather than dates. I'm sure Boris Johnson will give them a data on February 22nd but there'll be a tonne of caveats to go with it. If I was to guess, early-to-mid April.
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10/02/2021 10:50:03 22 14
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I find the various demands for "open us up" strange. We do not know when it will be safe to open up care homes, pubs, restaurants etc and until the science says "yes" they have to stay closed. Do these people really think the government can ask the virus "when will you stop infecting us virus?". So foolish.
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10/02/2021 10:55:08 11 22
bbc
The Virus will Never stop infecting..even if you have the Vaccine! The Restrictions and lockdowns are a sham and have had no effect!
63
10/02/2021 10:58:27 3 0
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You need to reference your evidence or your post is meaningless
131
10/02/2021 11:05:24 5 0
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Well, just after Christmas the number of active covid cases in the UK was rising at a rate of around 40% every 7 days. The lockdown started on 5th January, and cases peaked about a week later. From 12th January onwards, active cases of Covid have been falling at a rate of around 22% every 7 days. So clearly the lockdown has had the desired effect.
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10/02/2021 11:07:49 2 1
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well said.Virus is here,get used to it.We learnt to live with other diseases and we must do with this.Life cannot be put on hold much longer or everyone will suffer whether they have had virus or not.Cure is worse than disease.
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10/02/2021 11:11:58 1 1
bbc
When you listen to what Joe Biden said about Trump, that he did nothing to avert, restrict or other, the pandemic, and we could easily see that people were not following the advice, then a do nothing approach, seems to have a lower death rate per capita than the UK.

There is definitely something amiss here.
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10/02/2021 10:52:49 10 10
bbc
Ha, I have no intention of being locked down until 2025, nor will most people.
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10/02/2021 10:55:10 2 5
bbc
Then, Bone Crusher, you don't understand the problem and are a nuisance to society!
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10/02/2021 10:55:15 13 5
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Like the govt why don’t people learn you can’t set a date you don’t know what will happen in the future. If the govt set a date and don’t open they are criticised for doing a u turn. If they open on a date and infections rise then they are criticised for opening too early.
768
10/02/2021 15:53:58 0 2
bbc
We better all stay in bed then, you never know, you might choke on the toothpaste, electrocute yourself with the kettle, fall down the stairs, stay in bed and hope to roof doesn't fall in on you. Meanwhile the rest of us can get on with that very risky business of simply living.
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10/02/2021 10:55:16 5 4
bbc
Whilst the government has mismanaged this in every way possible, they also don't have a crystal ball. I feel for the pubs, but setting an opening date only to have those hopes dashed isn't going to help anyone.
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10/02/2021 11:00:18 2 1
bbc
Baseless criticism of the Govt. They've done a fantastic job managing the pandemic. Perfect? Certainly not, very far from it, but huge, often complicated programmes implemented at very short notice, will inevitably have glitches and even significant failures, not matter who is in charge.
89
10/02/2021 11:00:37 0 1
bbc
The government have managed the situation as well as anyone could have and better than you would have I'll guess.
126
10/02/2021 11:04:50 0 0
bbc
If the pubs could stop people congregating outside, as we've seen many times on TV, then they would have a case for early easing, but they can't.

Large numbers of people flouting the rules (house parties, raves, etc.) are a major cause of the persistence of the problem, and the need to maintain lockdown.
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10/02/2021 10:55:26 2 9
bbc
Once the majority have gone out of business then they will set a date.

I hope the government are happy!
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10/02/2021 10:59:53 0 0
bbc
WHAT?! You think the government WANTS to disable businesses? How would that in any possible way benefit their chances of re-election? Some very poor thinking here today.
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10/02/2021 10:55:38 36 17
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I strongly recall a spate of images online last year from outside pubs and bars where people were huddled together like penguins at the pole.

It sucks for the businesses and the people that work for them, but Brits have proved the risk of mixing booze and responsible behavior time and time again.

Unless we want to drag this situation out further, don't let Brits back in pubs yet.
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10/02/2021 10:59:37 13 7
bbc
You are absolutely right. In my area a nightclub became a pub in a university town and two weeks later the infection rate went sky high.
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10/02/2021 11:02:05 2 1
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This thing will drag out for the rest of this generation's lives, if not the next. The virus is going nowhere, listen to the experts, they now talk of having to living with it and accepting a number of deaths each year. So when do we let Brits back in pubs, never?
542
10/02/2021 12:18:34 1 0
bbc
Why stop at pubs. Why not say until we eradicate covid risk 100% close schools, universities, any public building, borders, households etc. It'll probably be decades, ruin the economy, millions more victims. But some people (including the govt) seem incapable of understanding that covid is not going away, pubs are not the problem and balancing other factors to make a sensible decision is required
Removed
706
10/02/2021 14:41:47 1 1
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Thise images, whilst real, were manipulated by the media.
Don't believe evrything you see or here from the media.
733
10/02/2021 15:18:58 1 0
bbc
The will be dragged out forever, wait until next September, Flu season will return, the Covid Cult, will be back in force because they'll have been driven mad by the freedom summer brings, although it will not be anything like the Freedom that generations in this country fought for over centuries. Well done Covid Cult, a thousand year battle for our freedoms and you blew them in about 6 months.
790
10/02/2021 16:25:29 1 0
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But the cases stayed low even then. Remember BLM riots and packed beaches ANC all the hand wringing? Nothing changed.
This is a seasonal virus.
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10/02/2021 10:47:54 219 70
bbc
At some point we have to open up society. This is no life.
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10/02/2021 10:55:48 12 14
bbc
Well for other infectious spreads the rate has to be below 15 per 100,000. In some areas it is already, but in many areas it isn't. If people actually stayed in their tier's that system would have worked.

But it looks like we'll have to wait until the last few areas are also low.

i believe the highest at the moment is Rutland at 72.
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10/02/2021 10:52:06 1 10
bbc
Pubs will probably be one of the last a
Places to open, this is because its us plebs enjoy them and they are a British cultural icon.
41
10/02/2021 10:55:50 0 3
bbc
Slightly racist!
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AJ
10/02/2021 11:03:44 0 0
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Racist ? What is racist about saying that pubs are a British cultural icon.

What is wrong with you people, if you don't like Britain and its culture then shove off somewhere else.
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10/02/2021 10:56:04 5 4
bbc
I like the comments in here which say 'don't give them a date', as if beer and staff will be available at an instance, the click of your fingers. Pubs and hospitality as a whole need some idea, rough date to produce, hire etc.
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10/02/2021 10:58:42 2 2
bbc
And how is that date available when there's as yet no end date of the pandemic?
The situation is not yet predictable to the point of accuracy despite everyone's best efforts. Blame the virus not the scientists!
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10/02/2021 11:13:16 0 0
bbc
And if that date proves optimistic and needs to be moved back ? Who will be responsible (or sued) for all the wasted produce and costs incurred in hiring ?
I can hear the plaintive cries from here “ we need to be compensated because we were told.....” or “ why did they give us a date if they weren’t certain”.
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10/02/2021 10:51:26 169 99
bbc
You cannot have everything else closed and pubs open.

Makes no sense, drunks don't abide to rules, so pubs should be one of the last things to open.
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10/02/2021 10:56:33 18 14
bbc
A logical approach would be to open the least risky activities first, and the highest risk activities last.

Where do pubs fit in this? Far less risky overall than offices or schools, yet the government are desperate to get those open to get the virus spreading.
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10/02/2021 11:06:32 18 15
bbc
How on earth is a pub less risky than an office exactly?

In offices it is easier to socially distance and an office doesn't revolve around the consumption of food and drink, which you can't do wearing a mask. I'm sorry but your comment makes no sense
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10/02/2021 11:10:52 6 15
bbc
Schools are consistently shown to be of negligible risk, why keep spouting that rubbish?
Children don't spread it, the staff were bringing it in.
And on your logic, how is a pub of less, or more risk than any other activity involvin moderately sized groupings of people in close proximity to each other?
You should cope with rocket science, it's a pointy tube with fuel at one end.
328
10/02/2021 11:23:37 3 0
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*Neither a scientist nor a rocket
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10/02/2021 11:36:54 1 1
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I would probably disagree with work places being considered more risky than a pub. You don't normally go to work flat drunk, or go with the intention of doing so. Companies are more likely to have very stringent Covid-19 policies in place now, and are more likely to punish those who fail to abide by them!
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10/02/2021 10:51:26 169 99
bbc
You cannot have everything else closed and pubs open.

Makes no sense, drunks don't abide to rules, so pubs should be one of the last things to open.
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10/02/2021 10:56:37 40 10
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Not all pub goers are drunks
81
10/02/2021 11:00:06 20 14
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Yes i agree, not all pub goers are drunks.

But it doesn't take many who are to spread the virus to others very quickly
158
10/02/2021 11:07:46 8 10
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Very true, but if a person spends most days in a pub or can't cope without them being open, i'd wager that they are.
405
10/02/2021 11:35:41 2 2
bbc
that is as maybe......but most drunks are pub goers!
567
10/02/2021 12:33:37 1 1
bbc
In fact, hardly any are, since the drunks are generally barred.
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10/02/2021 10:56:49 4 3
bbc
A date? Get real. All the indicators are falling and vaccinations rising, which is great, especially vaccinations (brilliant). But, giving a date now for reopening pubs would be totally stupid, no matter how much the sector is suffering, totally stupid.
46
10/02/2021 10:56:51 3 6
bbc
Can you imagine Bozo organising an outing to a brewery? probably not.
106
10/02/2021 11:02:17 0 2
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Labour supporter are you? Poor of thinking for sure.
166
10/02/2021 11:08:30 1 0
bbc
Yes, another chance to dress up in a white coat
47
10/02/2021 10:56:57 10 4
bbc
This is entirely about the trade wanting to do what is good for it in the short term not the country in the long term; abject selfishness based on economic panic.
You can reopen when it's SAFE to reopen and no one yet knows when that will be. Isn't that obvious?!
765
10/02/2021 15:50:21 0 0
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Define 'Safe'
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10/02/2021 10:57:01 4 2
bbc
As hard as it is the reality is that this sector is going to have to remain closed probably until early summer. This is when most will have been vaccinated, and the virus naturally is less infectious. However I do see another lock down of some description as we get to the winter months. It's going to take at least another 18 months or so for the virus to start receeding.
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10/02/2021 10:54:35 8 7
bbc
The issue people still don't get is that the more you try to open, the more the virus goes out of control and the more you have to lockdown again. Everything has to be done to avoid lockdowns, and unfortunately that does mean pubs have to stay shut for a long time...
49
10/02/2021 10:57:10 5 3
bbc
We've had Restrictions and lockdowns for almost 1 year! Hospitals are full and no end in site! So 'How' have lockdowns worked.!?
192
10/02/2021 11:10:43 0 0
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Blame the Home Office for not controlling our borders ... even now people are just strolling through
287
10/02/2021 11:19:24 0 0
bbc
Ive said before,if lockdowns are so successful,why are we on our third!! This needs to end now and life must return to some normality.Mental health problems are going to swamp the NHS before long.Its about time the Gov took respon sibility for the mess of NHS and not keep blaming the public. This situation is unsustainable and the job losses just keep rising.
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AJ
10/02/2021 10:57:18 5 4
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It was the re-opening of pubs and restaurants back in the Autumn that was one of the reasons why there there was an upsurge in transmission and subsequent tough lockdowns.

The Government has given in too many times to pressure from the media as well to the hospitality industry but this time it must stand firm.
111
10/02/2021 11:02:30 1 0
bbc
The vast majority of the surge was due to schools. The effect of pubs opening is really quite small in comparison.
118
10/02/2021 11:02:50 0 0
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Pubs Gyms etc were NOT the source of the virus all data confirms this.

You are right though the media has kept the pubs shut and the country going bust as this Donkey led government flip flops from one disastrous position to another.
134
10/02/2021 11:05:53 0 1
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keeping pubs closed will save lives!
138
10/02/2021 11:06:23 0 0
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No it wasn't.....pubs were open for months over the summer with hardly any increase in COVID cases at all. It was when Universities, colleges and schools re-opened that the huge surge in cases was seen. I do however agree that pubs should remain closed for the foreseeable however, they proved they could re-open safely when the time was right last year, I'm sure they will again this year!
197
10/02/2021 11:10:55 0 0
bbc
Yet they have kowtowed to the travel industry which has wantonly imported Covid and been allowed to cause tens of thousands of deaths
340
10/02/2021 11:25:31 0 0
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The surge was children going back to school in Sept,nothing to do with hospitality who spent a furtune to make their premises covid safe.Schools can wait as the economy needs to start functioning or nothing is going to work.
791
10/02/2021 16:25:57 0 0
bbc
No it wasn,t .The pubs were open all summer.The surge in transmission came as soon as the kids went back to school and the onset of winter.Get ya facts right.
51
10/02/2021 10:49:10 1 2
bbc
Surprised they have any sales left whatsoever as the Government 'rig' the market and transfer all sales of Food, Drink, Clothes etc to their Supermarket friends.
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10/02/2021 10:48:42 119 80
bbc
When people drink too much all social distancing goes out of the window.

The NHS is doing a good job at present.
Opening pubs will increase the spread of the virus.
52
10/02/2021 10:52:43 27 4
bbc
From what I read and from the point of view of historical infection rates ...most infections are acquired IN HOSPITAL !!
78
10/02/2021 10:59:52 8 6
bbc
How did people get into hospital in the first place!
53
10/02/2021 10:57:33 2 2
bbc
Wet pubs will not re-open this year, due to COVID. Most will never re-open again due to the actions taken to beat COVID. Harsh facts I'm afraid.
120
10/02/2021 11:03:44 0 0
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Dry pubs don’t have many customers either
129
10/02/2021 11:04:59 0 1
bbc
its a fact, what you are saying!. if they want a drink, have 1 at home, then you wont be spreading the virus!
54
10/02/2021 10:57:39 8 5
bbc
There are complaints that pubs are shut. If they open they will complain that they are spreading the virus, just like when eat out to help out was launched.
Dead customers do not buy drinks.
116
10/02/2021 11:03:18 1 1
bbc
they just dont get it, just thinking of themselves!
55
10/02/2021 10:57:39 7 9
bbc
Depression, anxiety , stress all leads to your immune system during down. Pubs are essential for mental well being, too socialise b and realise life is for living, not just existing to work b and pay taxes.
The longer pubs are shut the more people will suffer
109
10/02/2021 11:02:27 2 1
bbc
the longer pubs stay shut, the more lives we will save, fact!!!
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10/02/2021 10:50:03 22 14
bbc
I find the various demands for "open us up" strange. We do not know when it will be safe to open up care homes, pubs, restaurants etc and until the science says "yes" they have to stay closed. Do these people really think the government can ask the virus "when will you stop infecting us virus?". So foolish.
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10/02/2021 10:57:41 1 0
bbc
The scientists who call the shots for the government aren't thinking about this holistically.

Science = ongoing pursuit of knowledge, and not all scientists are on board with gov policy. They've had a year to know what they're up against. Just a year.

"the science" isn't saying we should be in perpetual lockdown. Lockdown are a way of transferring responsibility to the public.
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10/02/2021 10:50:28 26 1
bbc
While sales of alcohol in pubs may have halved, I wonder how much consumption reduced?
57
10/02/2021 10:57:48 14 2
bbc
You’re forgetting supermarkets
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MKW
10/02/2021 11:07:19 8 0
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not forgetting supermarkets at all , I think that is the point of their post
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SJ
10/02/2021 11:30:28 0 0
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I think that was his point. So actually you both agree.
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10/02/2021 10:54:41 150 75
bbc
Absolutely not sir - don't you know there's a risk that someone will die somewhere if we go back to normal?!
Until all death and sickness is purged from the Earth, that is when we're allowed to live. Apparently.
58
10/02/2021 10:57:49 47 17
bbc
People die all the time, mainly of something other than covid
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10/02/2021 11:06:37 19 32
bbc
"People die all the time, mainly of something other than covid"
Yes they do, which is why the discussion focusses on ADDITIONAL deaths. Sorry if it's too complicated for you.....
421
10/02/2021 11:37:31 9 0
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1500 a day in the UK.. obviously no one gives a rats ass about someone dying of anything none-Covid now though ?????
446
10/02/2021 11:41:54 1 12
bbc
Shocking disregard for the lives and safety of others.
630
10/02/2021 13:19:43 0 1
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Not when it can be avoided, as it can with Covid. Thousands, millions used to die from all sorts of diseases but we found a way to avoid them and now people don't die from them. Same with Covid
59
10/02/2021 10:57:51 0 2
bbc
get ready, £10 pint on it's way
93
10/02/2021 11:01:17 0 0
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you will have to drink water then!
60
10/02/2021 10:57:52 8 3
bbc
The damage being done to business and peoples mental health is completely unknown. We ate at our local, following the guidelines for months and nobody caught the virus from all the customers. Surely we can exercise some personal control over how we behave. A year of abnormality, with another looming due to the variants depresses me beyond reason. Yet in my stage I have never felt like this before.
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10/02/2021 11:00:25 1 5
bbc
what you are suggesting will kill people not heal them!
234
10/02/2021 11:14:16 1 0
bbc
QUITE RIGHT.WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO LIVE OUR LIVES AS NOTHING IS RISK FREE.IM SICK OF THE GOV INTERFERING IN ALL ASPECTS OF OUR LIVES.WHAT IS POINT OF LIVING IF THIS GOES ON.ITS EXISTING.VIRUS IS HERE,GET USED TO IT.WE MUST OPEN UP OR THERE WILL BE NO ECONOMY.WHO IS GOING TO FUND THE NHS THEN?
335
10/02/2021 11:24:49 0 1
bbc
You may be able to exercise some personal control, but over 12,000 people yesterday somehow didn't manage to, and whilst it's good news that it's the lowest infection figure for a couple of months, it still demonstrates the risks out there that have got to be managed before we can start adjusting our lives to, and acceptance of, a new "normal." It will be different but we will move on together.
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10/02/2021 10:53:25 3 1
bbc
"After nearly a whole year under forced closure" - this is a blatant lie, I was on Holiday in Devon in September last year and all pubs were open then
61
10/02/2021 10:58:21 1 1
bbc
And the infection numbers grew.
394
10/02/2021 11:32:41 0 0
bbc
Do you have evidence that it was as a result of the pubs being open? Correlation is not causation. The weather also changed and people spent more time indoors etc, many factors could have contributed to the rise.
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10/02/2021 10:50:26 13 9
bbc
HMG simply does not care.

All it cares about is Covid - everything else does not matter. Once people understand that, everything they do makes 100% sense.
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10/02/2021 10:58:27 2 0
bbc
As yet I've seen zero evidence that HMG cares about Covid one bit. If they did they would have taken the actions necessary to suppress it; instead they've maximised the damage it causes.
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10/02/2021 10:55:08 11 22
bbc
The Virus will Never stop infecting..even if you have the Vaccine! The Restrictions and lockdowns are a sham and have had no effect!
63
10/02/2021 10:58:27 3 0
bbc
You need to reference your evidence or your post is meaningless
64
10/02/2021 10:58:41 15 9
bbc
here we go again, people advocating wealth before health, we cant give covid more amunition to throw at us, it has already been proved that it would be a big mistake to re-open pubs/resteraunts, so stop whingeong therestrictions should be adhered to, and that is the only way to get us out of this mess!, coming out of the first lockdown, too early, was the reason for 1,000's of extra deaths!!!
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10/02/2021 11:09:35 3 1
bbc
Its not the economy,its people's livelihoods and the other people who work to supply hospitality.This situation impacts families so those people bleating on about children,should think of that.Poverty will affect them too when their parents lose their jobs and cant afford rent or food.
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10/02/2021 10:56:04 5 4
bbc
I like the comments in here which say 'don't give them a date', as if beer and staff will be available at an instance, the click of your fingers. Pubs and hospitality as a whole need some idea, rough date to produce, hire etc.
65
10/02/2021 10:58:42 2 2
bbc
And how is that date available when there's as yet no end date of the pandemic?
The situation is not yet predictable to the point of accuracy despite everyone's best efforts. Blame the virus not the scientists!
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10/02/2021 10:48:42 119 80
bbc
When people drink too much all social distancing goes out of the window.

The NHS is doing a good job at present.
Opening pubs will increase the spread of the virus.
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10/02/2021 10:58:45 17 12
bbc
That sort of guff is usually spouted by people that never go to the pub.

If it does not affect you, then why should you bother ? It's only other people's lives and jobs after all.

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10/02/2021 10:58:51 9 2
bbc
I can't see them opening any time soon.
68
10/02/2021 10:54:30 10 3
bbc
I guess it all boils down to what sort of 'new normal' we want. High streets have been destroyed and brands swept up by predatory online companies, mental health is at an all time low and unemployment rising. Rishi has been very quiet recently but the debt we're racking up has to be simply staggering. There isn't a perfect answer but we cannot go on like this.
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10/02/2021 11:03:45 3 0
bbc
"Rishi has been very quiet recently but the debt we're racking up has to be simply staggering."

You can watch it increase here https://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
69
10/02/2021 10:54:54 10 3
bbc
Welcome to capitalism. When the demand returns so will the supply, it will just be different people doing the supply.
6
10/02/2021 10:50:26 13 9
bbc
HMG simply does not care.

All it cares about is Covid - everything else does not matter. Once people understand that, everything they do makes 100% sense.
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10/02/2021 10:54:55 2 2
bbc
Correction!

All it cares about is the NHS

It has completely forgotten that these businesses help fund the NHS !
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10/02/2021 10:59:19 19 7
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I should imagine that any government all over the world would like nothing better than to open up their economies as after all its what they rely on to fill government coffers, but sadly the virus is just sitting waiting for social contact to begin and unless the population is protected through a vaccine it will spread like wildfire again. I do feel so sorry for anyone with a business.
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10/02/2021 11:11:36 13 16
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i feel sorry for people who have died from thw virus, because of selfish people flouting the restrictions, and throwing parties, and illegal raves, because they cant manage without a drink, keeping pubs closed never killed anyone!
750
10/02/2021 15:32:31 1 1
bbc
No they don't, they rely on the lunatic economists who hold with Modern Monetary Theory - they are printing their way out of anything. You think we are all going to wake up in May, when the seasonal virus departs with the flu season and the world go back to normal? The Covid Cult have no idea what they have done, and won't for at least another 7 or 8 months, youngsters may find out sooner.
762
10/02/2021 15:46:29 0 0
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Competent governments that didn't screw up the COVID response like ours did are being able to open up their economies again. The Tories have not only inflicted a massive death toll on us, they wrecked the economy too.
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10/02/2021 10:59:30 23 15
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I'd love to go down the pub for a sesh. I do miss this. However, missing the virus is much more important in my opinion. I'll not risk Covid just for a couple of beers.

The time to reopen pubs is when we've got the virus under control. It may be some time yet. We'll wait.
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10/02/2021 11:18:51 14 6
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This argument is as worn out as it gets. We're at the point now where the majority of the most vulnerable have already or are in the process of having their first dose.

Millions have already had and got over Covid. Tens of millions are being sent out to work every day.

Suddenly because it's a pub and not a factory floor it can't happen.
Removed
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10/02/2021 15:28:55 0 0
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Then fine, you stay locked-down. I don't normally visit pubs, but lock-down and Covid Cult is an Hysteria that appears to affect far too many. They have abandoned science and reason for myths
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10/02/2021 10:55:38 36 17
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I strongly recall a spate of images online last year from outside pubs and bars where people were huddled together like penguins at the pole.

It sucks for the businesses and the people that work for them, but Brits have proved the risk of mixing booze and responsible behavior time and time again.

Unless we want to drag this situation out further, don't let Brits back in pubs yet.
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10/02/2021 10:59:37 13 7
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You are absolutely right. In my area a nightclub became a pub in a university town and two weeks later the infection rate went sky high.
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10/02/2021 11:29:31 2 0
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So is that because of the university or because of the pub?
735
10/02/2021 15:20:23 1 0
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Try testing, curiously enough testing drives the infection rate sky high, even more ask the WHO 'what if we manually adjust the threshold for a +ve on a PCR test? Well you can get whatever infection rate you please.
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10/02/2021 10:59:45 13 8
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what is this desperation to get pubs open, I like a drink like most people but I can live without having to go down my local while we are sorting out a virus that has killed 106,000 people so far and left many more struggling with longterm affects. Open them when it is safe to do so.
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10/02/2021 10:59:50 2 1
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If pubs go under due to COVID that we’re making profit before COVID they will re-open at some point as a pub. If they were making a loss before COVID the owner will do what they’ve always done. Burn it down, claim on the insurance and build some flats.
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10/02/2021 10:59:51 6 8
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It is clear that there is pure political idea to use the lockdown to bring back a rose tinted version of a Tory little England

Working class are not to drink

Prohibition on the cheap
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10/02/2021 11:04:17 0 2
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Quite the reverse. The working classes are encouraged to drink (they can still take home plenty of cheap alcohol from supermarkets) as it helps keep them under control. Churchill ensured the breweries stayed open throughout WWII.
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10/02/2021 10:59:52 8 11
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English pubs are a filthy place to go, and definitely a place for creating more inbred variants of COVID in a packed small room
98
10/02/2021 11:01:47 2 1
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'English pubs are a filthy place to go"

Clearly the last time you went to one was in 1970.
137
10/02/2021 11:06:16 1 0
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Just English pubs then?
200
10/02/2021 11:11:06 0 0
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Why 'English' pubs? Pretty sure a filthy pub in Cardiff, an immaculate pub in the Scottish highlands or the very clean L&F in Oxford (probably closed permanently by Covid) are all the same. Its the owner/management that calls to tune, not which side of a border you are.
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10/02/2021 10:52:43 27 4
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From what I read and from the point of view of historical infection rates ...most infections are acquired IN HOSPITAL !!
78
10/02/2021 10:59:52 8 6
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How did people get into hospital in the first place!
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10/02/2021 11:12:52 10 2
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My mother fell and broker her ankle and required screws inserted. In on the Wednesday, negative test, Another test On the Saturday, positive test. Aged 72 with COPD. In my head I gave her 50/50 chance of survival but she was hardly effected by covid. She stayed in hospital for 3 weeks due to salt level issues, but was released covid free. She hadn't seen a pub in a couple of years.
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10/02/2021 10:55:26 2 9
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Once the majority have gone out of business then they will set a date.

I hope the government are happy!
79
10/02/2021 10:59:53 0 0
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WHAT?! You think the government WANTS to disable businesses? How would that in any possible way benefit their chances of re-election? Some very poor thinking here today.
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10/02/2021 11:00:05 3 3
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Opening phase 1.
Only pubs that serve food allowed to open. All diners socially distanced as before. No bar seating. Timed table allocation. Diners to leave after desert and reasonable time to finish last drink. No drinks served after last course is delivered to the table.

A harsh but first step...
99
10/02/2021 11:01:48 0 0
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As a bar worker we tried that last time, it did not work.
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10/02/2021 11:15:48 0 0
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it wont work!, they will get rat-arsed, while eating their meal, we all know what happens then, no only open them when its safe to do so!
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10/02/2021 10:56:37 40 10
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Not all pub goers are drunks
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10/02/2021 11:00:06 20 14
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Yes i agree, not all pub goers are drunks.

But it doesn't take many who are to spread the virus to others very quickly
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10/02/2021 11:06:00 18 5
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Drunks in pubs are extremely rare. Landlords put their licence at risk if they allow drunken behavior, and the licence is their livelihood. I suspect you never go to the pub if you think there are drunks there!
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10/02/2021 11:16:46 4 2
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Another ignorant Puritan
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10/02/2021 11:16:57 2 4
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It doesn't take many antisocial sober folk to spread it, your point is?
Do watch for hepatitis when you pick fruit at the shops or tetanus from the trolleys or your roses and so on. There's cyanide in sprouts.
Life is dangerous, living is the fun part, currently we just exist and it's gotten so that death is the preferred option for too many now!
But you spout pious rhetoric if it helps you sleep!
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10/02/2021 10:55:16 5 4
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Whilst the government has mismanaged this in every way possible, they also don't have a crystal ball. I feel for the pubs, but setting an opening date only to have those hopes dashed isn't going to help anyone.
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10/02/2021 11:00:18 2 1
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Baseless criticism of the Govt. They've done a fantastic job managing the pandemic. Perfect? Certainly not, very far from it, but huge, often complicated programmes implemented at very short notice, will inevitably have glitches and even significant failures, not matter who is in charge.
130
10/02/2021 11:05:10 0 0
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Its Feb 10th, not Apr 1st - you've jumped the gun on that comedy!
339
10/02/2021 11:25:28 0 0
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Absolutely agree!
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10/02/2021 10:54:35 8 7
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The issue people still don't get is that the more you try to open, the more the virus goes out of control and the more you have to lockdown again. Everything has to be done to avoid lockdowns, and unfortunately that does mean pubs have to stay shut for a long time...
83
10/02/2021 10:56:19 1 1
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Total tosh
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10/02/2021 10:48:42 119 80
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When people drink too much all social distancing goes out of the window.

The NHS is doing a good job at present.
Opening pubs will increase the spread of the virus.
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10/02/2021 10:57:09 16 7
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The NHS is doing a great job of creating 'stay at home' alcoholics !!!!
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10/02/2021 10:57:39 5 5
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I spent half my life propping up the pub trade, until I discovered the great taste and ridiculously cheap alcohol providing by homebrewing. Don't care if they all shut for good. Just full of bores, boring each other with smalltalk and the minutiae of their daily existance. And football.
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10/02/2021 10:57:39 1 4
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Pubs are no longer the mainstay of communities, the breweries killed that through greed, but they still have a part to play; however I will not frequent them if I cant mingle and mix and enjoy a traditional atmosphere.
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10/02/2021 11:14:42 0 0
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Most of my locals on a Friday and Saturday pre covid would have found you struggling to get a seat so I'm not sure what you're saying is accurate.
87
10/02/2021 10:58:53 6 12
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Pubs get nothing but a kick in the teeth, whilst the BBC gets a free licence fee increase !!!
102
10/02/2021 11:02:01 2 0
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give it a rest
117
10/02/2021 11:02:38 0 0
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Not for long. Its franchise expires in 2027. it will be looking for a new funding model then.
60
10/02/2021 10:57:52 8 3
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The damage being done to business and peoples mental health is completely unknown. We ate at our local, following the guidelines for months and nobody caught the virus from all the customers. Surely we can exercise some personal control over how we behave. A year of abnormality, with another looming due to the variants depresses me beyond reason. Yet in my stage I have never felt like this before.
88
10/02/2021 11:00:25 1 5
bbc
what you are suggesting will kill people not heal them!
37
10/02/2021 10:55:16 5 4
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Whilst the government has mismanaged this in every way possible, they also don't have a crystal ball. I feel for the pubs, but setting an opening date only to have those hopes dashed isn't going to help anyone.
89
10/02/2021 11:00:37 0 1
bbc
The government have managed the situation as well as anyone could have and better than you would have I'll guess.
90
10/02/2021 11:01:00 30 0
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Pubs may have been shut but consumption certainly hasn't stopped, and recent news of record alcohol deaths last year suggests if anything it's got worse.
732
10/02/2021 15:16:19 2 3
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Ah, so lock-down kills? Do the Covid Cult accept that blood on their hands? No, I doubt it, 'it is their own fault' they will say. Well if lock-down works, then anyone catching the virus hasn't locked-down well enough have they?
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10/02/2021 11:01:10 3 2
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The breweries need to take some responsibility and stop ripping off public and and customers alike. Pub beer is simply too expensive
135
10/02/2021 11:05:59 2 0
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Many of the big chains aren't even brewers just rent collectors.
198
10/02/2021 11:11:00 0 0
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Simple answer, if it's out of your budget, don't go. That doesn't mean others can't or shouldn't enjoy it.
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Rob
10/02/2021 12:25:15 0 0
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FYI

On a 5% pint of beer:

Finland pays the most Beer Duty in Europe at 81 pence
The UK pays the 3rd most at 54 pence
Italy pay around the average at 18 pence
Germany only pays 5 pence – the 26th lowest in Europe

Breweries aren't ripping us off. Alcohol is highly taxed in the UK.
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10/02/2021 11:01:15 11 9
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I am enjoying working weekends without the endless procession of drunks who don't even know if they are pissing themselves.
I have a idea, lets keep the pubs shut. How about that. Less drain on the NHS A&E departments, less strain on the police, and good for peoples health.
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10/02/2021 11:07:13 2 2
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Yes lets do that and put millions out of work especially the already less well off and close Hospital Departments as tax take falls off a cliff.
But hey, so long as you are alright all's well with the world.
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10/02/2021 11:10:16 0 0
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In other words, you never actually went to pubs often enough for it to matter anyway.
267
10/02/2021 11:17:36 0 2
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a very sensible suggetion!!!
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10/02/2021 11:22:39 1 0
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No jobs = no revenue for the NHS.
I’m ashamed of the drunks and the way they expect the NHS to pick them up of the street, however Are you saying we ban smoking, mountain climbing, driving, etc, and generally living due to the risk and inconvenience? That is no life. Life is not guaranteed. If you had no job, a family to feed and to keep a roof over your head what would you do?
59
10/02/2021 10:57:51 0 2
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get ready, £10 pint on it's way
93
10/02/2021 11:01:17 0 0
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you will have to drink water then!
165
10/02/2021 11:08:28 0 0
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hard to tell difference with some beers.
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10/02/2021 11:01:25 2 3
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The pubs that keep spreading the virus, despite being closed for almost 12 months and complying with all covid secure measures available when open.. Maybe all those over 85 and in care homes had a belter of a summer!
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10/02/2021 11:19:27 0 0
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no pub is covid secure, when they have had a drink, and i find your comments disgusting!
95
10/02/2021 11:01:37 0 0
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When pubs do re-open please don't get so wasted that you end up in Portugal..
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10/02/2021 11:19:59 0 0
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they will!
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10/02/2021 10:59:26 2 2
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Hear hear, open our pubs, they're safer than the supermarkets. Every pub i went in pre lockdown, people wore masks when mobile, were polite, kept 2m+ away from others and i felt safe. Going to tescos people barge into you, are never 2m away from others, handle ALL produce etc then put it back yet the government think it was pubs re-opening that was an issue?? think again Boris..
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10/02/2021 11:21:05 0 0
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you must have been in pubs on mars!!!
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10/02/2021 11:00:39 5 0
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As I have been saying for quite some time, the whole country needs to know the criteria for lifting restrictions (or strengthening them). This doesn't mean they can't be changes if things change and we are told why.

At the moment we have mushroom management (keep you in the dark and feed you BS) of covid and it feels like they are just making it up as they go.
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10/02/2021 11:07:33 0 0
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That's not how politics work in practice. If the Govt announce/implement anything, and then change their mind in response to the data then cries of "u-turn", "climbdown", etc.
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10/02/2021 11:22:00 0 1
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bs doesnt kill anyone, covid does!!!
77
10/02/2021 10:59:52 8 11
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English pubs are a filthy place to go, and definitely a place for creating more inbred variants of COVID in a packed small room
98
10/02/2021 11:01:47 2 1
bbc
'English pubs are a filthy place to go"

Clearly the last time you went to one was in 1970.
152
10/02/2021 11:07:16 0 1
bbc
in 1997
80
10/02/2021 11:00:05 3 3
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Opening phase 1.
Only pubs that serve food allowed to open. All diners socially distanced as before. No bar seating. Timed table allocation. Diners to leave after desert and reasonable time to finish last drink. No drinks served after last course is delivered to the table.

A harsh but first step...
99
10/02/2021 11:01:48 0 0
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As a bar worker we tried that last time, it did not work.
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10/02/2021 10:54:20 89 38
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Once we’ve vaccinated all the vulnerable groups who make up 90% of deaths and hospitalisations

Open everything- including pubs
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10/02/2021 11:01:54 47 28
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Open only when the key indicators are low and falling - infections, hospitalisations, deaths. To open any sooner would be total madness.
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10/02/2021 11:16:14 12 2
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NO, because SAGE will always set unrealistically low Key Indicators in their pursuit of zero covid. We have to learn to live with it not look for excuses to extend restrictions for eternity.
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10/02/2021 11:20:36 3 3
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No it wouldn't. It would be the first bit of sanity we've seen from our government in almost 12 months!
439
10/02/2021 11:40:08 3 3
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They already are falling!!
596
10/02/2021 12:45:09 0 0
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Agree
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10/02/2021 15:06:32 0 1
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To have locked-down was total madness.